should torture be allowed for abdeslam?
>>68880783
We should torture all Muslims
>>68880783
Nah, no need to torture.
Just exterminate them all.
No, because if we allow somebody to be tortured by the police, the next could be you.
I'm not a cuck, thanks.
>>68880907
there's a difference between muslims and people
>>68880783
torture doesnt work for intelligence gathering. we should torture the mudslime anyway because hes a mudslime
>>68880783
death by 1000 cuts
Even if we don't torture people we shouldn't tell them that. We need them to think they will be tortured
>>68880907
>2016
>not enjoying torture
>>68880783
Studies have shown time and time again that torture leads to a suspect giving up information fast--the problem is it's whatever information comes into their head first to make the torture stop.
It's insanely unreliable and wastes time chasing down every tale a suspect tells to prolong even more torture.
>>68880989
Bullshit.
You give them bad drugs, you beat them, you push your fingers into their eyes, and if you spend enough time and resources doing stuff like that and brainwashing them, you'll get anything out of anyone. You could also give them that weird drug that automatically makes them tell you what you want to know.
>>68880831
First post, best post.
>>68880783
No. either we can persuade them by actually having maybe some measure of moral high ground, or just kill them and be done with it. At some point all you're really doing is feeding the urges of someone who wants to inflict pain, and then we beat the bad guys by becoming them, brilliant.
I support Trump but this is the most major thing I disagree with him on. Thankfully Rand Paul will still be in the Senate to hammer him and keep him in check on things like this.
>>68881292
aussiefag doesnt understand how intelligence gathering works
kek
>>68880783
He should be tortured for having that retarded name.
>Salad Abdelsalami.
Fucking savage Muslims with their smelly Arab names.
>>68881003
>He watches the 100
>>68881292
>You could also give them that weird drug that automatically makes them tell you what you want to know.
I'm betting you watch a lot of spy movies.
>>68880783
Of course, results matter if you want Muslims to stop destroying your infrastructure. Are you so naïve to think it won't just happen again, especially in Belgium?
We need to bring back the Phoenix program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
>>68880783
Yes. But it should be done in secret while we publicly deny it and he should be executed after he tells us everything he knows so the Jew lawyers don't get him off the hook.
>>68881471
It's not like they haven't been literally experimenting with drugs for the last 100 years or anything
>>68881197
Sure, I get that that but there's thin very, very, very thick line between torture and what they are doing now, which is feeding him cakes and giving him coffee
>>68880783
We shouldn't even be inprisoning him.
Radical Islam is perpetuated by intolerance from society. An integrated Muslim is a moderate Muslim, and as a society Europe has failed to integrate many of its Muslims due to a rigid European-Christian identity that identifies Muslims as the existential "other".
It's time to drop this ethno-national identity and embrace a broader cosmopolitan supranational identity. Christian, Judaism AND Islam are all connected. We are all in this together.
Sad!
Can I torture him please? I would really like to slice his ugly face up.
He's so ugly, I wouldn't even bat an eye lid, it would be enjoyable to watch that scum sucker suffer.
>>68881292
>you'll get anything out of anyone
Yea the wrong info, Anyone will tell you what you want to hear if they are being tortured, just to make the torture stop.
Fucking hell I would admit to being the queen of England if it gets them to stop them giving paper cuts on my fingers.
Its a massive waste of time.
>>68881798
>t. George Soros
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>>68881292
>push your fingers into their eyes
>>68881954
Actually I am influenced by Jurgen Habermas and Nilufer Gole. 2 great academics.
>>68881629
The idea of a "truth serum" is just silly. There are drugs that mess with people and lessen inhibitions and slow signals going around the brain and body, but it's fantasy to say there's a drug that "automatically makes them tell you what you want to know."
>>68881639
That's actually more effective, believe it or not. Throughout history, the POW camps that treated their prisoners with respect, courtesy, basic human decency were the ones that churned out the most information.
It's rare to catch these people before they've martyred themselves, we can't waste them as an intelligence resource by taking out some misguided sense of revenge on them.
>>68880783
put him in the boat!
>>68882218
Pretty sure someone who was planning to blow himself up this monday is close to a POW is terms of how to deal with them
>>68881798
I know this is bait but I find that point hilarious. Even in countries where they are integrated (the entire fucking middle east cause it's nothing but mudslimes) They still blow each other up and kill each other.
Muslims are cancer.
>>68882308
isn't*
I would wrap him in bacon and inject pig blood in him, see if he talks if not. Ill put him on some medieval torture machine.
Waterboarding is fine. We even waterboard our own soldiers. I don't agree with more extreme forms of torture though
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/04/duncan-hunter/duncan-hunter-says-we-have-waterboarded-our-own-mi/
The only issue that I have with waterboarding is that people will often just give an answer, regardless of their involvement, to make it stop; that's why you ask specific questions like "What address are the drugs going to?" It's a lot harder to falsely incriminate yourself with that than if someone was asking "Are you a terrorist?"
>Take orbital sander to his knees
>Throw salt on the exposed bone marrow
>Rub it in and pour water on it
>Shove little glass rods into the bone marrow holes
>Smash them
If he's not talking in the first 20 seconds then I'd be surprised
>>68880783
is this fake? why is trump using the same pattern in his tweets?
>>68881292
Snape! Get the Veritaserum!
>>68880989
It may not draw reliable information from the particular suspect, but it may encourage other would-be terrorists to abandon ship.
>>68882308
>>68882362
It's the same principle. We need information out of him, and quickly. POW, terrorist, serial killer, intelligence gathering is intelligence gathering. It's been proven that we get it better by being decent to these people. Not tough to grasp, really.
>>68880783
>should torture be allowed
euro fags will never learn from history.
>>68880907
>murder, lose rights
>don't murder, keep rights
not rocket science
>>68882700
yeah? how did that idea worked out against the IRA matey?
>>68882818
Impossible to know
>>68880783
You'd think since we're able to land on Mars we'd be able to make a legit truth serum.
Torture only goes so far.
>>68882445
I only agree with torture if we can use it on marxists who promote white genocide.
Torture is ineffective imo
>>68881292
And this.
>>68881880
I keep hearing this from idiots who think the interrogation stops as soon as the subject says something that isn't "Ouch."
>>68882793
Muslim faggots will never be civilised.
>>68880783
Absolutely. Legalize it.
>>68882786
Could you provide any link? I find it hard to believe. If I wanted to kill people and they instead gave me coffee, cake, and a comfy bed I would just laugh at them. Your position sounds quite similar to saying that refugees won't do anything bad in Europe if you treat them nicely.
>>68883105
cockroach detected.
They should just threaten to force feed him a nice slice of pork.
>>68880783
There is literally no evidence that torture actually works.
>>68883182
I'm not Turkish you piece of shit goatfucker. Go bomb London or something.
>>68881292
Exactly. You'll get anything out of anyone, that's the problem.
If you do shit like that to me I'll tell you that my coworker was behind the brussels attacks, whether it's true or not.
>>68880783
torture is meh
most will say anything to make it stop
the only thing that would work is torturing his family, but then we'd be no better than them
>>68883281
>There is literally no evidence that torture actually works.
Ok, how about we waterboard you and see what we can get you to admit?
>>68880783
Yes
>>68883281
True, but who cares? fuck him. Hot bacon grease enema.
>>68881880
You're wrong, also Scotcuck detected.
If torture fails, you target the family/friends and torture them in front of the person.
>>68883182
I heard there is a bombing everyday in pakistan
>>68883505
that's the point, if you torture me enough i'll tell you i'm the lizard queen of england if that's what i think will make you stop
>>68883404
>"If you kill your enemies they've already won" - Pierre from Belgium
>>68880783
we have other ways of making you talk.
>>68883404
>no better than them
Do you even want Belgium to survive?
>>68883281
Who cares if it does or doesn't?
Torture should be done to send a message, not receive one.
Terrorists should know that if they get caught they are in for a drowning of a time, regardless of if they got any info.
>>68881343
>Thankfully Rand Paul will still be in the Senate to hammer him and keep him in check on things like this.
Right, because the Senate was a great check on the executive the last time we had to deal with shit like this.
>>68883505
anything.
That's the point retard.
I'll lie my ass off to get you to stop for even a minute.
>>68883620
this is a war of cultures, torturing their families is not what we stand for
alas, it's probably the only thing that would work
fuck me, this is a real crossroads moment
>>68880783
Of course. Torture him for information, then execute him. Y'all Euros are too much of cucks.
>>68881292
>truth serum
If sodium pentathol actually worked then they wouldn't need to torture ;)
>>68881343
>and then we beat the bad guys by becoming them, brilliant.
Except we're inarguably the good guys, and getting off the moral high ground only serves to defeat the inarguably evil terrorists
>>68881197
Torture has nothing to do with intelligence gathering. It's all about intelligence conformation. You probably won't learn anything new of value but you CAN get some idea of whether or not what you THINK you know is accurate.
>>68880783
Go after his family
>>68883404
He won't care.
That's the problem with people with such retarded ideologies.
He probably thinks Allah makes all their pain go away magically and then pulls them straight into whatever their heaven is
>>68883597
>"I put words into others' mouths in order to avoid responding to their arguments" -- Austerity Aurelio
>>68883805
> war of cultures
Killing them is the real answer. Just execute every Muslim. You've backed yourself in the corner that you can't be nice anymore. Should've thought about that before giving your nation away to the sand niggers.
>>68883404
>but then we'd be no better than them
t. Cuck van Cuckeroo
The problem with water boarding is that we won't simply do it to Muslim terrorists. It could be done to anybody. It is a precedent. It is opening up a can of worms. Trump is a meat head.
Then again, we're already doing extrajudicial assassinations with drone strikes on a daily basis, which is worse than water-boarding.
>>68883862
Good idea. I think we have a politician in the US that had the same idea. Hope he becomes prez.
We should send Crispy Creme there to eat all of their food.
>A group of people is brutally murdering civilians
>Widely believed this group of people has access to military grade equipment and may be funded by nation states
>Group has threatened and in on case showed initiative to break into a Nuclear Power Plant for the entire purpose of causing a continent wide nuclear meltdown
>"We can't torture because it's mean and racist."
>>68883869
Use his family, degrade Islam, feed him haram food, make him suck cock.
There are tons of ways of torturing sandniggers. Creativity is the key.
>>68880783
For information that could help saving future lives? Yes.
In that case, and in that case only.
Weight it.
Lives of innocents
Physical integrity of a criminal
>>68880783
Torture should be allowed against people who would use torture to get information
I don't think it's something that we Europeans should carry out.
(Give the cunt to the CIA and let the Yanks sort it out)
>>68884043
There's a catch all clause that fucks with those plans.
Anything haram introduced to them against their will or power doesn't count and instead just sullies the guy who does it farther.
>>68883903
>"I will defend Pierre from Belgium to the death" - Cletus McDonald
>>68884089
Pussies. Do it yourselves. Y'all have gotten by being limp-wristed faggots for way too long.
>>68884113
What happened to psychological torture then?
Psychological torture should always be last choice, though.
>>68880783
No because he would then say anything including a lot of bullshit.
Best strategy is to "turn him" on our side.
But I think he's already too brainwashed to gain results on a short-term.
>>68883925
the south gave away our countries to the sandniggers
our french speaking friends in the south vote socialist. Especially in the big cities, there has been a socialist mayor for the last 20 years. They did nothing. Molenbeek had a socialist mayor, he looked the other way and it festered into what it is today.
they ruined this country, even when we as flemish vote right wing, it doesn't matter because this country's political structure is so pants on head retarded that we still ended up with a socialist government every time
now we have a centre right government, and they are cleaning up the mess of 20 years of socialism
>>68883752
The point here is, no one here has any experience with questioning (I think). But I believe that if you know part of the details about what you ask, depending on the question, you can catch the guy lying. And then you threaten them about lying.
Maybe if you start by asking things that can be checked by phone calls or something easy like that or even things that you already know, you can end up giving the guy a fear for telling a lie, depending on how much you actually torture after he lies.
>>68882818
>yeah? how did that idea worked out against the IRA matey?
Well considering that nearly 1/3 of all IRA members had been turned into british spies (by the 1990s)............i'd say it work extremely well.
>>68882786
See that's just not true, because if he gives out wrong information the torture will continue, the be all nice a buddy stuff, doesn't work, no matter what the coolest new PC spy book says.
>>68884193
The Brirish would never be involved in anything underhand like torture.
>>68880783
>Murdering terrorists is fine
>Torturing terrorists is ebil
Why do people believe this?
>>68884089
the Egyptians and Libyans were actually the best at breaking guys, they were the go to people when the CIA couldn't break a nut
we should give him to Egypt
>>68880783
Yes. Torture works. It's been used for Thousands of years.
"Torture doesn't work" is a libfag meme.
>>68884297
>underhand
Seems like you believe mudslimes are human. Let me tell you that they aren't Achmed.
>>68884297
HAHHAHAHAHA
the british's middle name is underhanded
>>68884089
Legalize slavery and use the sandnigger as a slave. Nobody wants to be a slave (except if you're a cuck or your wife/gf likes stuffing cocks in their mouth).
>>68884397
You don't need that, just tell him you'll send him to the Russians, he'll talk immediately.
"torture doesn't work" is about as dumb as "walls don't keep people out."
>all the edginess itt
Fuck effectiveness,right?
Seriously, go after his family
KGB agents ran the name of a prominent Hezbollah leader through their computers and came up with the name and address of one of his closest blood relatives. They then kidnapped the kinsman, castrated him, and sent his severed organs to the Hezbollah honcho.
The package was accompanied by a terse cover note indicating that the KGB had the names of other close relatives and that Hezbollah could expect more such deliveries unless the three remaining hostages were freed forthwith.
It didn't take much time for Hezbollah to realize it was dealing with a different breed of "Great Satan." The three surviving hostages were dropped off only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy from a late-model BMW that couldn't drive away fast enough.
http://articles.philly.com/1988-02-26/news/26242928_1_islamic-liberation-organization-soviets-hezbollah
>>68884397
And that misinformation doesn't even change anything; they will use it if it works regardless of whether or not people think it works.
The best defense is to tell your grunts only what they need to hear.
>>68880783
torture is fine for muslims, they are sub-human animals. along with hays and blacks and leftists.
WHEN WILL THE LION WAKE UP?
>>68884397
>Yes. Prayer works. It's been used for Thousands of years.
this is how stupid you sound
>>68884246
Wasn't there talk of breaking up the country? Maybe there the problem lies? Too many ethnic division lines from the start. Add a bunch of sand dindus and voila: kaboom.
>>68880783
Torture never helps, people will say anything. Just like Guantanamo you will end up with a ton of tortured people who all claim to be behind 9/11 and who have not contributed anything useful.
It's the least effective way to interrogate people that humans have invented. Torture is only useful as punishment.
>>68885153
>It's the least effective way to interrogate people
demonstrably false
>>68882801
If we could be 100% sure of who commited a murder 100% of the time this would work. The problem is not clean cut cases like this but the 99% of murder cases where we cant say for sure. I don't want the president that the police can torture me because they think i killed someone.
>>68883552
>thinking religious fanatics that think they will be rewarded in the afterlife for being martyrs will give a fuck
>>68883404
Kill them all, let god sort it out.
>>68885364
MKUltra gave them a lot of knowledge about brainwashing people.
>>68883552
Sounds great until you get assigned to the torture room for sharing a beer with some paki.
>>68885153
>It's the least effective way to interrogate people that humans have invented. Torture is only useful as punishment.
And punishment they deserve as well. Double win. They blew up 35 people, torture the fuck out of the bastard.
>>68880783
>torture
He wants to make waterboarding real again. Trump has said, many times, that he wants to instill fear and confusion into the enemy by being unpredictable. He may or may not "torture" at all, but he wants it percolating in the minds of terrorists.
>>68881292
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE ACHE
>>68885498
I remember the terror alert system, a false alarm almost everyday after 9/11 because they were getting false info from torture.
>>68885597
And he helped shoot/blow up 150. Give him all the torture.
Here's an idea, round up some of his relatives, get them in a warehouse with a woodchipper, sit Mr. Jihad down in the exhaust path of said woodchipper. Feed relatives feet first into the woodchipper one by one, spraying them all over Mr. Terrorist until he talks. Chances are he'll be willing to tell everything before you get to the knees of the first one.
>>68885077
There has always been talk, but the fact of the matter is that it would be a massive clusterfuck
People are always talking about it but never realize that in practice this isn't that easy.
What to do with Brussels? It lies in Flanders but the majority that lives there is Walloon.
What to do with our laws? Our constitution?
What to do with our social security system? Can we still sustain it on 6 million people without raising taxes?
etc etc
>>68880783
Torture only works when you know they know something. I think it's an incredibly extreme measure that should only be used when there are no other options, lives on the line and the person being interrogated DEFINITELY HAS THE INFORMATION YOU REQUIRE
other wise like this poster said
>>68885153
they will say whatever to get it to stop, usually by incriminating themselves in something they did not do.
>>68885674
This man should be Trumps Head of Homeland Security
>>68885597
>>68885662
What's the point?
It's not like he'll ever walk free again. There is no point in torturing just for the sake of torturing.
That's just cruel lynch-mentality.
>>68880783
No, just feed him to the swine - alive.
no ham for abdesalam
>>68880783
Waterboard him with pig oil
>>68885674
killing innocents to stop the killing of innocents
top kek
>>68880783
It more than likely wouldn't do any good.
>>68886025
>muslims
>innocent
ahmed, pls
>>68880831
This.
>>68886025
Raise the stakes and you change the game. These people are already willing to martyr themselves, and they know the consequences are mild if they're caught. If the bloodline of every terrorist gets wiped out in retribution, there won't be terrorism for very long.
>>68886394
The thing is people willig to do such horrendous acts don't plan on being captured. Studies have shown this many times. They always think they're the ones to get away with it.
>>68881292
Actually high doses of MDMA have proven to be extremely effective for intelligence; likely the closest thing we'll ever have to a truth serum. It's already been approved in California to be administered to extreme PTSD patients in controlled amounts during therapy sessions to allow them to revisit the events that caused their PTSD, so it's really not too much of a stretch to think that we may be able to use it to try and get information out suspects in cases like this in the near future.
>>68886025
>innocent terrorist
get off mohamed's dick
>>68880783
Torture is practiced inside the jail dumbass fag
Trump is going to do some Ramsay Bolton shit on terror suspects. He won't stop at a confession. He'll stop when they lose all sense of self. Then he'll send them back to where they came as a warning to what happens to those who oppose him.
>>68886697
If they get away with it take every relative of the bombers and execute them. If they're caught, show them that the only way their family gets to live is if they cooperate.
>>68886750
I saw a documentary a long time ago about a drug that turns people into zombies and causes them to do whatever anyone asks them to do. People were using it to steal pin numbers. I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Could have been exaggerated for TV, now that I think about it.
>>68887124
So if your nephew decides to shoot up a school, you're gonna get punished for it? Sounds pretty bad t b h
>>68887537
>random acts of violence are the same as islamic terrorism
If I was teaching my nephew that the people at the school deserved to die and that God commanded it, then it might be justified.
It is bad, it has to be bad. Everyone wants to "kill them with kindness," because that's good, and it isn't working.
>>68880989
torture has been around for millennia. Do you think people across different cultures would be using it if it didn't work?
Use a bit of logic and you'll see why it would work. Under extreme pressure and stress, when you think you have only one chance to save yourself, your brain will not formulate a lie, but the truth. You will spill your guts because the conservation instinct is too strong.
All torture needs to work is to be directed and used by someone that knows what they're doing and not wasted.
Does Sodium Pentothal actually work?
My only issue with torture is that innocent people might be subjected to it, because no prosecution system is perfect to have a 100% hit rate when it comes to identifying suspects. And when I think of an innocent person being subjected to intense amounts of pain due to a system error, I simply cannot agree with the practice.
>>68888034
If they don't have the truth, they might become pretty good liars and set off a false alarm, no?
But a false alarm is no big deal, just wasted resources.
>>68881880
you're just buying leftist propaganda
http://www.thenation.com/article/tortures-dirty-secret-it-works/
>>68885596
>sharing a beer with some paki
Germany, it's like you haven't learned anything here.
>>68880783
we should torture the fuck out of him. I'm talking putting electrodes on his balls torture
>>68887988
>you can only torture/kill innocent relatives of terrorists if they are brown
pretty convenient, huh?
>>68881063
kek
>>68881880
>Anyone will tell you what you want to hear if they are being tortured
That's why you only use it to gain specific details, not just yes/no questions.
>>68888316
Islam is not a race
>>68888316
They had the choice of not being terrorists, and their family had the choice of not hiding them.
>>68888190
that's where experience kicks in
torture like any other investigative means can be misused, but in the right circumstances it absolutely works
who has been saying that torture doesn't work? Doesn't that raise some flags as to the quality of the source?
>>68880783
yeah .. they tried to attack a nuclear reactor yeah torture them to death a slowly as possible if he talks good if not who cares no matter what happens still torture them to death.
>>68888504
so if your nephew screamed allahu akbar before shooting up his school you'd be ok with getting tortured/killed by the state?
>>68888181
I would say a short torture session would be preferable to a couple of years in prison
>>68880783
No, but they should try drugging him.
Also, capture his family members.
>>68888662
Yeah, I very much doubt that THE most important thing in war, the acquisition of intelligence, hasn't been perfected to the point where they can extract anything from anyone.
>>68885859
?
To get info out of him
You think he won't walk free?
You think he doesn't have regular contact with outside terrorists?
If a fucking animal shitskin terrorist comes to the west & kills whites, he should be tortured then executed.
>>68888685
they will keep trying to get the nuclear plant... they have been trying for sometime and now... that shit is serious
>>68880783
>sit him in chair
>open eyes
>flip on Mtv
>turn on subtitles
>walk away
He'll crack under that degeneracy in hours
>>68880783
Hasn't torture been proven to be ineffective?
>>68886697
Their friends, families, imam's, neighbors, etc
ALL KNOW ABOUT THEM, all are protecting them
It is a fucking joke to see them living free & unmolested despite being just as guilty.
>>68888387
if you consider that prayer is a form of meditation, which has proved benefits, one could argue that it does work
Also reinforcing goals through prayer could definitely improve one's motivation and focus towards achieving those goals
>>68880831
This, equality for all therefore judgement must be equally distributed.
>>68889039
Yes. Ideologs don't care though.
They just want to hurt people back who hurt them.
>>68889039
it's just being discredited by the left because <muh feelings
>>68889145
Oh c'mon. Nobody is talking about the meditation aspect of prayer.
If torture had benefits as a form of meditation that still wouldn't help the war against terror in any way.
>>68880831
They have tortured all of us online for too long.
>>68887187
VICE iirc. Some South American plants. Devils something.
>>68881292
Why so much work? Just chop off a piece from a loved family member and tell him/her there is more to come.
>>68880783
I think torture shouldn't be an interrogation tactic, since it's flawed. But it should be a punishment when we know they are guilty. Death or jail is not enough of a punishment for these people.
>>68889307
I can kind of see their viewpoint, but I still don't think torture is the right way to go. Especially if they give false information, which can do more harm than good.
>>68889348
If we don't factor in our feelings into some things (especially when it comes to other people) then where do we draw the line? Humans have compassion and that kind of separates us from most of the animal world.
>>68888697
If I suspected one of my nephews was a radical muslim I would report him, desu. Most of my family is Catholic.
In the case of Abdeslam, he had been living in the community where he grew up for 4 months.
>>68881292
That's one hell of a shitpost, Australia
>>68889779
It is a very human thing to think that way. To want revenge. But as a civilized society we have to factor out these emotional reactions and look at reality. If torture doesn't serve e purpose other than giving someone pain. It should not be done.
>>68882955
YYYYYYAAAAHHHHHH FUCK YOU
>>68881197
I'm sure you're an expert on torture and interrogation
I don't see why would torture wouldn't work if the correctness of the information is easily verifiable.
For example a combination to a safe.
>>68889580
that's the whole point, anon
you can't fight terror with gloves on. You have to take them off, roll up your sleeves and get dirty
look at Israel, they know this
>>68890138
if a possible attack on a nuclear reactor doesnt do it for you to try every possibility then you are simple a fool and insane
>>68890138
It's human to want someone else to do the revenge torturing for you and chickening out at the last minute when you have to do it yourself.
>>68889779
feelings come in time of peace, we are in war, now is not the time for any other feeling apart from anger
>>68889580
You're one comparing Torture to prayer. Torture does work if it's applied properly, like most other techniques.
If the interrogator has access to proper fact checking and has done his homework on the client, torture is very effective.
Not in America since it runs counter to our constitution, and I'd rather not set a precedent for cruel, and unusual punishment.
Europe can go wild for all I care.
>>68890138
you won't be civilized for long with that attitude
>>68890370
Give me evidence that torture actually has any benefits for the war against terror and i'll reconsider my position.
>>68880831
Over in one.
>>68890655
>treating terrorists nicely
what a cuck
>>68890731
>be terrorist
>get tortured
>feel pain
>give info.
>>68881197
You're an idiot, torture isn't about "where's the bomb!?" it's "tell me about your organization" and it allows the interrogator to fact check and use previously gathered information to verify what info you're receiving.
If you ask a guy a question you already know the answer to and he lies, he gets hurt. He slowly is convinced you know everything and you're just using him to verify and thus, he tries to avoid being hurt by telling the truth and verifying what you "already know"
Don't fall for the lefty "torture dont work" meme
>>68890658
With the attitude that pointles things shouldn't be done?
That's basic economics m8
it should only be allowed to prevent terrorist attacks against your country for now
>>68890731
Ever heard of KSM? Look him up and tell me again how torture has no utility.
>>68890910
Okay keyboard SEAL.
>>68880783
Yes. Because they feel their cause are righteous, and don't care about death, we need to give them something else to fear. Really have to fight savagery with savagery.
Imo Vlad the Impaler style with everything drenched in pig blood / fat.
>>68890927
I don't think you have a clue about economics
>>68890852
>be not terrorist
>get tortured
>feel pain
>tell them whatever they want to hear to make it stop even though i had nothing to do with it
Yeah torture always works.
>>68880783
What are you gonna accomplish with torture?
Can you verify what he says in real-time? Do you even know what are you looking for?
Torture is absolutely useless, it's literally a useless intimidation tactic.
Trump makes sense in some things but it's talk like this when you realize he's a total idiot politically speaking.
>>68890731
You check info with people. See how they react. Put a psychology expert and an experienced interrogator on the team to judge how the poor little shitbag feels about what the interrogators are saying. Every minute a key person spends talking is like one piece in a jigsaw puzzle. These people don't create the information; they just tell you where to place it.
>>68891155
economics minor, bitch
>>68891256
That giant waste of resources.
>>68889779
>Especially if they give false information, which can do more harm than good.
>oh no, this guy is about to shove a branding iron up my dickhole!
>I know, I'll tell him something that's not true so he can come back to shove two branding irons up my dickhole when he finds out it's not to discourage me from lying further
>>68891246
>irrelevant nationlet giving opinion on war affairs
>>68891256
That's not torture but interrogation. The point is that torture as an interrogation device doesn't wortk.
>>68891369
>watching civilians get BTFup then responding only after the fact is an excellent use of resources
Peace people keep your opinions to peaceful matters. War men fight the wars. If you want to act like an expert then go get a degree at West Point.
>>68880783
They murdered 35 of ours, 2 of the sandniggers blew themselves up. We owe them another 33 of theirs...
I don't really care about human rights anymore. Every method available should be used to protect our society from external threat.
Torture them, torture their families, I don't care.
not even torture works on these mad dogs like Abdeslam
You can pop his testicles with pliers, saw each finger and toe off, gouge his eyes, he won't speak.
>>68891421
>u're a country autism
>Drumpfarts in charge of discussion and logic
You tortured the shit out of terrorists in past, what exactly did you accomplish?
That's right, nothing. Terrorism only grows and Europe is suffering while Americans stir shit up.
Fuck off.
>>68891471
Torture is to make people talk. "Good cop bad cop" is just torture with foam padding on top. Their talk might be bullshit; that's what the experts are there for.
Torture one random man out of an army and you get nothing. Torture three of the right people and you can take everything. Have waiting until people are already dead before you ever fight back.
>>68881798
Sounds like Reddit lmao
>>68891662
>Torture three of the right people and you can take everything
You really are thick, aren't you?
>>68891471
>The point is that torture as an interrogation device doesn't wortk.
Source?
Occams razor would presume that torture should be pretty viable
>>68891658
I'm not posting to persuade libtard zombies. I'm posting to enjoy my own life and laugh at the zombies when their hopes and dreams of a Clinton/Sanders administration all go up in smoke.
Kebabs are going to get the hose again, deal with it.
>>68891764
Bye, better luck next time.
>>68891827
what the hell does Occam's razor have anything to do with justifying the use of Torture?
>>68888203
>But there’s a problem: No one claims that torture is an effective interrogation tool–least of all the people who practice it. Torture “doesn’t work. There are better ways to deal with captives,” CIA director Porter Goss told the Senate Intelligence Committee on February 16. And a recently declassified memo written by an FBI official in Guantánamo states that extreme coercion produced “nothing more than what FBI got using simple investigative techniques.”
It doesn't work at gathering information. It's just state terrorism. But in that case, everything works.
>>68891421
Torture has not really worked well for the US in the past, at least as far as waterboarding has concerned (though there's a separate debate about whether or not waterboarding even constitutes torture; for now let's assume that "enhanced interrogation" and torture have roughly the same effect).
The problem with torture is that somebody under torture will say anything to stop it. They will say anything that they think will please their torturer if it means an end to the pain. Even Joan of Arc confessed after a certain amount of torture.
Aside from the dubious results from torture, the sheer act of torture also harms the US' international image and alienates those abroad. This can be dangerous for our foreign policy as potential allies in any kind of war of terror might flip to the other side as they see us as no better or maybe even worse than a group such as ISIS. Keep in mind I'm only talking about perception rather than reality.
>>68891827
>Occams razor would presume that torture should be pretty viable
how so?
>>68891846
>libtard
I'm not a libtard you dense Amerishit. You just want torture so you can torture everyone who opposes your empire in future.
You created Muslim terrorism.
Your best buddies are fucking Saudis.
Are you so thoroughly brainwashed to think your government would "only" torture Muslims?
>>68880783
Torture is bad
>>68880831
Why stop at torture? Might as well go all in.
>>68891996
Just because you assembled a set of words that can be found in a dictionary into an order that deceptively suggests an understanding of English grammar doesn't mean you made an "argument".
>>68892095
da fuck?
Story?
>>68880831
>Das Oberkommando der Wehrmacht verleiht Ihnen das Eiserne Kreuz
>>68891185
In certain instances (like with this abdeslum faggot) torture would be an effective way of garnering info on his group of bum boys.
Hook him up to the mains and show him pictures of his mum and dad. You would only have to zap him once or twice anyway.
>>68880783
It's not torture, it's cleansing the soul of a heathen.
>>68891996
awesome graphic, makes me wonder what pyramids 1-3 are, and how many more are in the set.
>>68892220
In basement they found à man who tortured monkeys with all sorts of old devices.
>>68892095
But sometimes it's necessary and a regular bumfucking just isn't enough.
>>68892078
>America
>empire
kek
>>68892095
That monkey dindu nuffin though, its only a dumb animal that wants to fuck around in a tree all day and not blow up airports.
>>68881343
>muh you become the monster you are fighting meme
Nietzsche was a faggot, that shit is literally meaningless other than impressing psuedo intellectuals who think it is deep because it is so fucking pretentious.
>>68892022
You use a razor to torture people sometimes, duh.
>>68892072
Because it's reasonable to assume that people will usually talk if threatened personal harm with or without precedent. You'd be making more assumptions if you were saying people don't want to stop personal harm by means available to them (such as leaking intel)
Plus, unrelated to occams razor and actual precedents, torture has worked in the past. It has also not worked. Saying "torture does not work" is provably false as it has worked in the past. It's just not a 100% success rate.
>>68892494
disturbing
I heard Ivan the Terrible tortured animals too before he decided to shift his focus.
>>68892578
America is an empire, just not an old-style one.
Check how many bases you have around the world, plus in many countries your ambassadors act as de-facto governors.
>>68880831
/thread
>>68884367
Because they are fucking cucks
>>68892706
You don't seem to understand how occams razor works
>tfw prepping the bull will be a thing
>>68880783
Fun fact : there is no true life imprisonment in France. What our pathetic "justice" calls life is actually 22 years.
That means the heaviest sentence he could get is 22 years of jail, after which he will be able to ask to be set free on probation. And of course the SJW judges will approve of it, because he dindu nuffin.
>>68880783
Torture should de allowed in any case.
>>68892912
Four and a half star post
>>68892637
I agree that it's meaningless, but there are practical arguments against torture which are not. The first is that it did not seem to provide us with much better information in our counter-terrorism efforts. The second is that the use of torture hurts the perception of the US abroad. We will never be on the same level as savages such as ISIS, but I think it is worth improving our International image for geostrategical reasons. Promoting torture would do the opposite of that even if you feel it would be justified.
>>68880889
dead terrorists cant tell us where the terrorists we havent caught are hiding. thats why we torture them in the first place.
>>68892068
she didn't confess, she told the priests what they wanted to hear, which was the whole point of her torture
>>68892948
I bet your government has tortured many men to death without saying a word to the public. Your justice system is for the French.
