>http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
Vox of all people showing how much more you will have to pay with fucking Sanders.
If I pick Trump I save $8,000 more than Sanders would cost me
I just converted my gf...it was easy as that
>>68879344
you save much in tax if you're single and with children and vote bernie. dis whatuhfijowerfiojergoijwefiowefimoowefIONEGINOREIJOWfg
>implying congress would pass any of this
fuck off shills
>>68881223
>Tax increase is green
>Tax decrease is red
))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>68879344
#FreeShit
:^)
>>68881548
Pure coincidence
>>68879344
dafuq
>>68881235
If you are single with 2 kids and make 50k Bernie will increase your taxes by 6k and trump will drop them by 4k
>>68879344
Source of pic?
>>68881891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z49iZ0O1bSs
OY VEYYYY
>>68879344
>vox thinks 3.7% of 4000 is 630
I hate Clinton but her tax plan seems like the most reasonable tbzh. Trump's plan will add to the defect, and Bernie's plan is ridiculous communism.
> Pay $5,750 more
I'm feeling the bern.
>>68881548
The graphical jew
>>68882079
Fuck off Bernie.
Even the lowest incomes get taxed more under Bernie.
>I only care about myself and will vote for whoever gives me more free stuff
You guys sound like Bernie supporters
$5k less with Trump, 8k more with Hernie.
>>68881223
>Go Back And Edit
I thought it said "Go back to redit" at first glance. You fuckers ruined me; I thought I was getting rawdogged by a tax website.
>>68882430
I don't want free stuff, I want to keep my money. The very money I earned by working. The concept isn't that hard to get.
>>68879344
Yeah, fuck higher taxes going to gibsmedats.
I'll keep my hard-earned cash, thank you very much.
>>68882430
You sound like someone who doesn't work.
>>68882430
It's a measure of how much of MY money is being taken away you fucking retard.
>>68882501
I didn't realize you don't use any social programs.
>>68882291
>paying a few percent more in taxes is more reasonable than paying a double digit % less
>>68882501
stop using roads then.
>>68882646
You're fucking retarded.
The current tax rate pays for roads just fine.
>>68882430
>wants me to pay an extra $6,000 per month so tyrone and paco can fail out of their third try at their second semester of college, sarah can get a gender studies degree, pajeet can mooch off our system and get a comb sci degree and work for less money than an american and send half of it home to pooinloo land, David can get an art degree
lmao nope. top cuck, you faggot
>>68882371
High baller nigga. What job you do?
>>68882725
That is the combined income of me and my wife.
>>68882149
That's beautiful.
>earning less than $70000 a year
your gf's gonna cuck you
>>68882501
Stop benefiting from street lamps you cheap nigger
>>68879344
Trump saves me 44k. Sanders takes 70.
Golly this is a hard one to decide on.
>>68882704
is that a joke?
or are you not old enough to drive a car?
almost half of bridges in the EU and US don't meet standards anymore because there is not enough money to repair or replace them.
>>68882595
>I didn't realize you don't use any social programs.
It's not like I have a say in that matter. I'm forced to pay fees for retirement, for social services, for healthcare. I won't get a dime out of that pot. I have to pay alimony to my parents if they fail to be able to support themselves in the future, besides the fact that our social security net should have them covered. I'm getting a free healthcare treatment, but have to wait month to get an appointment for a specialist. I pay a fair amount of money for retirement, but will be the one with the lowest pension in history, since the current pensioners are living the high life.
Fuck that shit, I want to be able to choose who fucks me over.
>>68879344
Just cuck my shit up.
>>68881223
I'd pay 800 more bucks
But its.okay, Tameka can go to college and get her women's studies degree :)
>>68882493
I saw it too
>>68882905
you are not forced to pay for the 1-month healtcare, you can switch to a private company and enjoy 1st class treatment.
you are just a nigger who wants to pay nothing and get everything.
>>68882794
Neat. Roughly same as my parents then, except tax rate for that amount is just a little bit lower than what Bernie is proposing.
Tfw no glorious leader ballsy enough to slash cuts for middle class
>>68882812
>implying government budget is all spent on infrastructure and upkeeping
Seriously, look up any country's budget and you'll see how ridiculous and buerocratic they're. No government is interested in making itself smaller, as that would mean firing a lot of friends
holy shit Bernie is taking so much
>>68882863
>almost half of bridges in the EU and US don't meet standards anymore because there is not enough money to repair or replace them.
How come? How is it possible that, even though we have the highest tax revenue since ever, we are unable to fix roads. Could it be that the very money we launch into the government gets used for shit and giggles, but not for actual structural issues?
>>68882704
The other post implied anon doesn't want to pay ANY taxes, not just "the current plan."
>>68882863
I got a plan, let's deport all the Mexicans and eliminate wic and ebt and use that money to fix the infrastructure
>>68883075
i dunno, ask Ursula what we need drones for that cost billions and will never be used.
>If I pick Trump I save $8,000 more than Sanders would cost me
Sanders will make you pay the most
BUT you cannot realistically believe Trump's plan. It's just pure lies. You cannot cut taxes that low not even if you dismantle most government departments.
I support trump, but after seeing how big these slashes are, how is this not going to skyrocket the debt? The economy would have to grow at unprecedented rates for this to work.
>>68883016
>Wanting to have more of your paycheck is now the same as being a communist nigger.
Gentlemen, this is why the once great nation of Germany has fallen. We have such a cumlust for the government, we just can't say no.
Fuck you Bernie
I just hit up every tax bracket combination and capped it in the case Vox takes this tool down because it helps Trump out a lot.
>>68883177
They look pretty. I guess that's the most honest answer.
>>68883211
>can't refute them
>better use ad hominem
>literally crying about nations being a bunch of crybabies
you can't make this up.
>>68883211
we shouldn't have fought against you desu senpai
but ya'll were making some dumb fucking mistakes, too
>>68883184
Cutting spending on other areas
like aid to israel
>>68879344
public services would increase as federal budgets would also be cut across the board. with bernie's plan, you pay more taxes and receive cheaper, if not cost-null services
>>68882863
Our roads in Texas are just fine.
I'm 25 and pay plenty in taxes already.
>>68883253
That's smart, post em all here.
>(Note: The Tax Policy Center did not perform an analysis of John Kasich's tax plan because his plan lacks sufficient detail to model. They have reached out to the Kasich campaign in search of more details, and will analyze the plan if they receive enough information to do so.)
Literal joke of a candidate
>>68883320
>but ya'll were making some dumb fucking mistakes, too
Nobody is perfect, but only one got nuked. Thank god it wasn't us.
>>68883374
Too bad the "savings" I'd get don't equal the $10K in additional taxes I'd be paying.
>>68879344
This doesn't account for social security tax, does it? Fucking retarded. With Trump, I'd pay the same even with his tax rates when you include SS tax, which he will still make me pay. #NOTGOODENOUGH
>>68883437
He's too busy balancing budgets to release his tax plan
>>68883335
Even if we gave no money to any other nations (no money to greatest ally, come on goyim!), thats only 40 billion off the deficit.
Bernie BTFO
>>68883335
>thinks that would make a dent in the debt
leave it to a spaniard to not able to compare 2 numbers.
no wonder your country is a debt shithole.
>>68883392
thats because jesus is fixing the roads.
mexican low labor cost jesus.
once you gas all the mexicans you will have to pay white guys to do all the work and then it will cost ya.
>>68883179
If you deport all the illegals you save between $113 billion and $184 billion each year and his plan would grow the economy and provide more higher paying jobs to American works he is talking less of a bigger pie. Bernie is taking more of a smaller pie
>You might be surprised at how much taxes you’re paying under current law. We’re including payroll taxes, excise taxes, and corporate income taxes as well as individual income taxes. Most working people actually pay more in payroll tax than income tax. And they pay much more if you include the employer’s portion of the tax. Most economists think employers pass their share of the tax on to workers in the form of lower wages.
Wait a minute. That's straight out bald faced lying. WTF
Vox is full of shit. They're not talking about just income taxes, but payroll taxes too. And they're calculating it wrong.
>>68882964
you've got it wrong.
tameka fails out after her 3rd try at her sophomore year. sarah actually gets the women's studies degree and fights the racise system because tameka couldn't make it through critical writing 101 so that means that the system is both racist and sexist and tameka needs MORE assistance from the state. Reminder that sara utterly ignored tameka while they actually had classes and the potential for social interaction because being friends with tameka wouldn't give sarah any more social status (sarah already had a black friend, tameka wasn't attractive so it wouldn't improve her group of friends, plus she's a nigger)
>>68883623
Payroll taxes still affect weather you keep your job, it just is behind the curtain.
>>68882595
Social programs we already pay for you fucking spud. Get the fuck out of here.
>>68883576
>illegals do shitty low paying jobs
>gassing them somehow creates high paying jobs
stay dumb.
> mfw we have 36% taxes on 55k a year
We have free healthcare though.
>>68883623
Hey Bernie, not buying it
>>68882430
>free stuff
People spend their time and energy to earn that money you prick. 8 hour slaving awa in an office just Bernie to take it and give it to Taniqua and her 5 kids.
>>68882646
We already oh for roads. We have gas taxes, toll taxes, pay for tabs just to name a few off the top of my head.
>>68883575
>>68883556
whoah there, why so worked up mehmet?
I said cutting spending in other areas, not only foreign aid, I would cut all sorts of welfare and many institutions which aren't worth the money they are getting. Cutting spending is easy if you're pragmatic, you refugee cock sucking welfare queen
I think we all know what would happen if someone tried to push through Sanders tax plan.
I'm a Trump supporter but ultimately I support a flat tax system to simplify the process and be as fair as possible. Cruz wouldn't be so terrible if he could actually push through his plan.
>>68883576
>If you deport all the illegals you save between $113 billion and $184 billion each year
First of all he's not going to deport illegals. Secondly those numbers are obviously made up.
>and his plan would grow the economy
His retarded commie tariffs will shrink the GDP if anything.
>>68882811
>hungary
>earning anywhere near 70k
Yeah right.
>>68879344
Holy fugg my family would get raped by Bernie.
>>68883535
Geez, oh man.
Also somebody should ask him why Croats killed so many jews in WW2 and accuse him of being nazi/ustasha.
>>68883797
Do you know what remittence and welfare is? Illegals are a drain on the system
"We gotta do something about this national debt"
>>68883798
You don't pay tax when you buy products?
>>68882935
hey that's me
really happy I don't live in burgerland. I pay 14000 in tax but get like 8.000 back for having 2 children
life's good in medipackland
>>68883900
your shithole of a country is being paid to survive with my tax money, you would be the first to starve pedro.
>>68883962
>can't refute the point
>move goalposts
classic.
>>68883741
You get a pension and unemployment insurance out of those payroll taxes. They are a net benefit to the employee.
I only work part time right now but this is assuming I was working full time. Holy shit, fuck Comrade Bernie.
>A single male with his own excellent private health insurance ($300/month) and who paid off the student loans for his engineering masters' degree (~$40,000) within 2 years of working should pay $8,000 more per year in taxes to pay for Taiky'ya's 3 illigitimate children's healthcare, childcare, housing, and for them each to fail out of college in turn.
What the fuck is happening.
>If we don't have social programs these people will turn to crime.
So, arm every american. Loaded shotgun in house, loaded pistol carried everywhere I go. Someone breaks into my house, in my Castle Doctrine state, they're fucking dead and I'll go to work the next day.
Fuck Bernie the Cucked Faggot
>>68884090
>implying I'm responsible for the spanish government
I'm not receiving a single cent of your parents money, cuck
Your money only serves to perpetuate a decadent socialist corrupt system that I would rather have fall
go back to r/feelthebern
This doesn't take into account any resulting savings from things like single payer healthcare.
It says I'll pay $5,000ish more in taxes for my wife and I, but if we were also not paying each month for our health insurance the difference would be negligible and possibly a net positive.
>let's show that you have to pay more in taxes without telling you where you'll spend less in other areas or the services you'll get for that money
>>68879344
>>68883921
It's probably 70k tokens from the camming website where he whores himself for money.
>>68884308
>Loaded shotgun in house
>falling for the shotgun for home defense meme
build an ar already
>>68884338
>what is the EU budget
>how does it literally feed your lazy spaniard ass
maybe we should send some cash for education too, you seem to lack basic understanding of economics.
everyday i hate barney sandler a bit more
I was already MAGA, but now I have an erection.
>>68884061
>8.000 back for having 2 children
Wait you guys have child benefits in Switzerland? Did know you guys were such communists.
I could use an extra $5k
under Bernie I'd pay 4000 more a year and already live in the most expensive area in the US. This seems so ridiculous that I'm doubting this calculator is even correct. If it is how could someone in their right mind vote for him?
>>68884543
in america you get more gibsmedats for shitting out more crotchdroppings
who's commie?
>>68879344
What is this image?
>>68884505
I never thought I'd legitimately be looking at sanders as worse than Clinton or Rato, but this shit is not ok.
>>68884608
The people who vote for him don't pay ANY taxes.
>>68884608
and how much do you pay for healthcare right now?
>>68884466
>implying that as a healthy working adult I leech any sort of welfare
>while I'm putting in about 40% of my income in taxes, probably more than you
You should learn a little about economics, you fucking cuck, I'm getting scammed way worse than you are over there, atleast your taxes don't go to politic's mansions, if they stay in germany.
Also if you don't live in BW or bayern I could literally make your own argument against you, which I wont because its fucking stupid
>>68884608
>under Bernie I'd pay 4000 more a year and already live in the most expensive area in the US. This seems so ridiculous that I'm doubting this calculator is even correct
That's socialism for you.
>If it is how could someone in their right mind vote for him?
They don't have any work but they do have thousands upon thousands in student loan debt
>>68884687
Sometimes truth hurts. But you know what brother? I would rather have a painful truth than a lie. I wish you well moving forward. We can make it.
>>68884352
If it did take into account the "savings from things like single payer healthcare", I can guarantee you, with absolute certainty, that it wouldn't take into account having to put your name on waiting lists, and waiting months at a time, for mediocre healthcare, and the exacerbation of medical conditions, due to that.
Married, 2 kids.
Fuck Bernie's shit man.
If Sanders is elected I'm denouncing my citizenship. Tired of supporting the welfare state.
>>68884608
1. you will pay most under Bernie
2. the calculator is absolute horseshit; payroll taxes are not a cost for the employee; vox confirmed for right wing establishment propaganda
>>68884866
I was always voting for God Emperor Trump anyway.
>>68879344
>Vox of all people showing how much more you will have to pay with fucking Sanders
>>68882371
>make $94k
>gets to keep $60k
Damn I'd feel really bad for you if Bernie became pres. $34k is a brand new car, a mortgage payment, a few college semesters etc. lotta money nigga.
>>68882711
>>68882581
>>68882501
trump's plan is paid for ENTIRELY using deficit spending
so yes, that money you "save" is being given to you by other, future tax payers
>>68884944
Well then, we are already MAGA brother
>>68884937
>payroll taxes aren't a cost for the employee
>>68884543
300 per child per month
if you limit nigger immigration, giving money to your citizens to boost births is only logical
problem comes when you accept too many shitskins, which we don't
>>68885051
>>68879344
>vox says that healthcare and college costs would decrease for Americans despite the fact they would stay the same since the extra money is being funneled into taxes over a lifetime instead of directly into your personal healthcare/education
I wish people would stop posting that bullshit
>>68885036
>adding to the current astronomical level of debt isn't affecting the taxes of future tax payers
>>68885122
>>68882863
It's like that here in Michigan because all thw tax money goes to the infected abscess known as Detroit keeping the zoo operational.
Plus with how much taxes actually are here it's just insulting.
>>68884756
>thinks his 40% is a lot compared to tax rates freelancers have
>thinks a "healthy working adult" doesn't create costs in his system of subsidized economy
>can't look beyond his own horizon
>thinks BY and BW are the only paying states
nice try, maybe next time.
>>68884352
You assume that something like universal healthcare would come around to make up the difference. What if it doesn't? Think about that.
>>68885201
I'm so sorry for your state.
Lyin Ted is looking better
>>68879344
>>68879344
And not shown in the calculator
Drumpf/Cruz
>no roads
>no social security
>no disability
>no no veteran care
>no free college
>no access to healthcare if you aren't rich
>crumbling infrastructure
>rich getting richer
Bernie
>modern roads
>social security
>assistance for the disabled
>care for our veterans
>free college
>healthcare for everyone
>modern infrastructure
>everyone paying what's fair
But yeah m-muh poor wallet paying an extra few thousand on my top 5% income it's not fair! :(
>>68879344
> Including corporate income tax
This is retarded since there won't be a single company that suddenly will give you the money THEY save on taxes.
>>68885297
Nobody respond to this faggot, clear bait. I have faith in you all.
>>68885297
>everyone is paying whats fair
>le gibmedats for everyonr
>>68884937
If payroll taxes aren't borne by the employee and have no impact on them, why don't we increase them to 100% of the salary? You could cut the income tax entirely and make every taxpayer very happy.
Don't be retarded. Payroll taxes increase the costs of hiring people. It is money they could have been paying you as salary.
>>68885122
>>68885174
I don't know if the pic I posted is pro or anti Trump. I meant it in a positive manner, like eyes in the back to see the jewery. I snagged it off an Aussie ballbuster whilst exchanging maximum bantz earlier this morning
I love how Vox still tries to color peoples opinions to soften the blow of Bernie's shit tax plan
"b-b-buh Bernie only wants to tax the rich to pay for dem AMAZING BIG PROGRAMS! aka if your bill goes up a lot you're a rich white shitlord ;)"
"Oh yeah Trump saves you money, but his plan sucks because FUCK YOU. So yeah just ignore that"
>>68884937
Damn you're retarded, no wonder you're a leftist
>>68885297
Literally nothing about this post is factual.
>>68885297
>Bernie's tax increases are capable of paying for these things
>The government can be trusted to spend increased accrued funds, adequately and contentiously
>The government is just following the lead of one individual
>>68885297
>you will never get this many (You)s as this bait will get
>>68883177
>Germany blaming their shitty infrastructure on sub 2% defense spending instead of the suckling piglet that is social programs
Wew lads.
>>68885297
whycan'tiholdallthisbait.jpg
>>68879344
>http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
holy shit if I would be a burger and live in murrica with my current loan I would have to pay 450$ more every fucking month
>>68885297
>trusting Bernie to ensure vets are taken care of
top kek. He loathes them and wishes he could shake the hands of the 'brave resistance fighters' who blew the legs off of U.S. soldiers with IED's.
>>68885171
EXACTLY
since trump's plan does not offset any of his cuts and only adds to the debt, he is essentially destroying the future economy of this country for marginal gains today
>>68885228
>rational analysis
>"j-jews"
just get out if you have nothing to say
It's almost like you people don't understand taxes work.
You'd be paying $0 for healthcare under Bernie, get increased infrastructure spending, and other benefits.
These simple charts simply can't reflect any of that.
>>68885297
I think you're really just making an argument for Clinton there, pal.
>>68885578
>Bernie shill telling others to get out
/pol/ is a Trump board. You know where you have to go.
>>68885585
Meanwhile my rent and everything else stays the same so I can no longer afford to live where I am.
>>68885541
Even John fucking McCain has said that Bernie is great for vets
>>68885297
>Roads are just gonna disappear???
>>68885578
Bernie's increases only marginally affect the larger amount of debt his plans will accrue.
LMAO even with ZERO income Bernie is still the absolute bottom of the barrel. One of you Aussies or salty Canadians should get the word out about this calculator
>>68885239
>thinks that any society would be possible if all the citizens constituted a deficit
If you create costs and then pitch in several magnitudes that cost you are quite clearly a net contributor and most often getting way less than what you pay for so a neet scrub like yourself can get his unemployment money
>still defending socialism
How much more proof that it doesn't work do you need? is europe crumbling not enough?
Having easily corruptible politicians managing everyones money is not really efficient
or do you think putting billions in enforcing gender quotas is rational?
>>68885694
>even jew fucking mcgoldstein has said that soros' toy is great for goyim
>>68885585
Why pay for things that you'll never use? Under Trump/Cruz you can use your money on things that you need when you need them and if you never need them then you get to keep the money.
Almost $7,000 less with Trump. Sanders would cost me almost a fifth of my yearly paycheck at that point.
I got super cheap insurance from my job, but how much would insurance cost a month for a normal person usually?
>>68883921
>>68884395
lmao the dutch bringing the banter today
>>68885585
>I pay $0 to be put on a waiting list and die waiting for an operation
The universal healthcare meme needs to die already, it's not funny anymore.
>>68885745
>homeless people receive 240 dollaridoos under Trump, while Bernie charges them 50 dollars just to exist
>>68884924
Costs several Thousand Dollars now.
>>68879344
>spray on crap still won't protect them from the sun
Enjoy the melanoma palecucks
>>68885585
>You'd be paying $0 for healthcare under Bernie, get increased infrastructure spending, and other benefits.
Actually, doing the math you'd be paying an excess of 2% of your take home paycheck on healthcare with Sanders plan compared to the status quo. The only scenario in which you pay less for healthcare is actually Trump's healthcare plan or at the very least an outright abolition of the ACA.
>>68885783
For decent tier I was paying like 140 or 160 every two weeks
>>68881223
It doesn't mention that healthcare and schooling is going to cost you less.
I know you guys are afraid of people getting an education, which would make you feel stupid, and it's pretty pathetic.
>>68885585
This is bait, I know, from some jew, but this is for anyone that reads your post and think you have a point....
This is an assumption that Sanders can get anything through congress. Electing Sanders isn't an automatic guarantee for single-payer healthcare, better infrastructure projects, education reforms, etc. etc. and all that he's promised. If anything it just gets siphoned into the military industrial complex in preparation for WW3.
Fuck you.
>>68885840
Absolute MADMAN
>>68885389
OK you have a point but don't take it too far.
>Payroll taxes increase the costs of hiring people.
Yes, true. But you also get benefits like unemployment insurance and a pension in return which they left out of the calculation. They also included corporate taxes in there which IS completely ridiculous.
>It is money they could have been paying you as salary.
That's not true. That money would have stayed in their pockets because clearly you are content today working for a lesser salary.
>>68885783
Any plans worth having for an individual are about 350-400 a month
>>68885800
This. It's been tried, it always end up the same way: ridiculous wait times even in emergencies, the poorest quality healthcare you can imagine, no place ever in any hospital country-wide, year-long wait times to see specialized doctors, and the tax rate to subsidize this garbage is ridiculous, to boot.
>>68885974
Agreed. That would be through the employer and deducted from salary, but at that level your entire family is covered WELL.
>>68885916
>free healthcare
Waiting lists, sub-par healthcare, exacerbated conditions. Just ask Canada.
>free education
Flooding the already inundated job market with useless degrees and causing the unemployment to shoot through the roof.
That's really how I want my tax dollars spent, lol.
>>68879344
Why is Bernie the only one with white around his eyes?
>>68879344
Bernie would cost my family
> $20,000
Yet here we are in Philadelphia where the public schools are so dangerous we HAVE to move out of the city to a $400k+ house just to send the kids to school
And I wonder how long these "reforms" would take?
We'd just eat shit for years and get no benefit from it
FUCK BERNIE
FUCK SOCIALISM
>>68885413
An murican thats not seen hairy potter?
Fuck thats rare. Anyways it's saying he's evil.
>>68885916
The average person does not pay $228,060 (That anons annual tax increase multiplied the average time in workforce which is 42 years) on education or healthcare combined in their lifetime. In fact, the vast majority of uninsured people would not pay anywhere near that number before the ACA for NECESSARY OPERATIONS
>>68885897
So that still almost $300 a month less than the "free" insurance that Sanders would provide. Not to mention the increased national sales tax.
>>68885675
lol, /pol/ is only a trump board if you count the people under 18 who think putting a hat on an anime girl is a political statement
>>68885743
bernie's plan are fully paid for by his increases
trump does not offset anything in his plans
even accounting for the growth generated by the cuts, his plan still adds $9.5 trillion to the debt.
>>68885916
Hey man I need to tell you something. Its one thing to get the nigs and shitskins free college at the expense of the working man. But do you really believe these niggers will graduate???? Man its a waste of time. Also, fuck you for saying we are afraid.
>>68886083
>Waiting lists, sub-par healthcare, exacerbated conditions. Just ask Canada.
Consider, additionally, that average Canadians are ever-so-slightly healthier than your average American, due to slightly better lifestyle choices.
In the US, however....
>>68885541
Half of the bills he worked for in congress were related to protecting vets and their families.
But yeah, keep making shit up. It's not like truth should get in the way of your "redpilled" worldview.
>>68886127
>Congress passes bernie's tax increases
>Congress completely blocks bernie's healthcare and education proposals
This is the future you chose.
>>68886230
>bernie's plan are fully paid for by his increases
Confirmed for troll, or completely naive.
>>68882430
>free stuff
You mean the money I work 40 hours a week for?
>>68885297
>>modern roads
65mph strictly enforced speed limit
>>social security
more cash for dindus and trailer park addicts
>>assistance for the disabled
okay
>>care for our veterans
welfare queens
>>free college
scamming gov for more money
>>healthcare for everyone
only few selected companies in state can run a hospital
>>modern infrastructure
unsustainable and expensive pork barrel projects
>>everyone paying what's fair
a.k.a it's only fair when everyone is as poor as me
>>68885693
That doesn't make much sense. You realize that right? If the increased taxes lead to you spending nothing each month on healthcare how can you not pay rent?
The money is just shifted
>>68886230
>bernie's plan are fully paid for by his increases
Except they aren't. Even the most modest figures show a 8 trillion debt increase.
>>68879344
My wife and I bring in $105k/yr, and she is at min wage. She just graduated with a BS and is looking to start her career.
I would have to pay an extra $12k with Bernie (fuck you, Bernie)
If I estimate her future realistic pay, we'd be out an additional $300/wk.
Fuck liberals. They only support degenerate trash, making their shit lifestyle seem acceptable.
>>68886230
Those on /pol/ who aren't pro-Trump are conservatives who are pro-Cruz. There's no place on this board for Bernie gibsmedats. You have to go back.
>>68886343
Not all Veterans are welfare queens Mariuz Pudizanowski. Other than that, five star post.
>>68885781
You don't need roads or doctors?
>>68886310
are you basing this on your opinions or do you have a source?
>>68886356
show me
>>68886083
>Flooding the already inundated job market with useless degrees and causing the unemployment to shoot through the roof.
Or you could just have an entrance exam so that retards won't be allowed in despite technically having a chance.
That's what most countries do.
>>68886375
trump supporters want tax cuts without any spending cuts to offset them
the trump posters are the only gibsmedats on /pol/
>>68886350
I pay much less than the tax increases on my healthcare. Employer provided healthcare is very cheap.
>>68885924
And this chart assumes that his taxes pass too. So what's your point?
>>68886457
90% of your life you won't need a doctor. Roads are already paid-for by taxes so the point is moot. In some provinces in canada, people pay 40%+ taxes base. Does that improve the quality of roads? Fuck no, you murricans have the nicest, cleanest roads in the world compared to us.
Christ, he just got rid of my raise.
>>68886350
Enjoy dying from cancer because you had to wait for a year on a fucking waiting list to see a specialist. Ask the Canadian posters how well their socialized healthcare is doing for them. Fucking shill.
>>68886632
That's a pretty solid raise desu
>>68886588
>trump supporters want tax cuts without any spending cuts to offset them
Actually Trump will close the Department of Education, the EPA and the Department of Agriculture among other things.
>>68886588
yeah in the sense I don't want to pay for your worthless pot smoking ass or your nigger bull while you tell me to check my white privilege
literally kill yourself you useless parasite
>>68886350
>The money is just shifted
No, it's not. You save $2000 a year by getting 'free' healthcare, but it costs you $10,000 in higher taxes. How is that a shift?
>>68886551
You completely missed the point. Enabling everyone and their fucking grandma to attend college and ge a degree will cause a massive spike in degree holders (which is already way too high) and will cause those degrees to be completely devalued. So your kid who just got an engineering degree can't find a fucking job for years because there's millions of other kids coming out with engineering degrees. And the problem only exacerbates over time.
>>68886624
Do you have any idea how shit America's roads and bridges are right now?
>>68886350
Fuck off. His tax increases are much more expensive than what healthcare costs currently. I will see none of that money he is sucking out of me.
Its just gonna go to gibedats for idiot college kids getting liberal arts degrees working at starbucks.
>>68886588
If I wanted to see a shitpost, I'd wander over to /gif and look for that dude who rams his ass on a street post
>>68886588
Fuck everything you stand for. You are the antithesis of our philosophy. What the fuck do you do anyway? How old are you? Post your tax calculation. Tell me about yourself.
>>68885585
>You'd be paying $0 for healthcare under Bernie
You'd have to wait months until your designated appointment or if you want it sooner, you'll have to bribe doctors.
That's how it works here, that's how it'll work over at your place.
>>68886848
Have you ever been outside of the United States?
guess how much these candidates affect me
>>68886551
Yeah... I really don't understand the whole desire for college education to not only be expected, but required for every job. We should be moving further away from the expectation.
Subsidized/federally-funded higher education does not guarantee a better educated populace. In fact, it probably negatively correlates with a better educated populace, if US primary schools could be used as an example.
>>68886230
Besides shitty healthcare, what does Bernie's increases to my taxes benefit me with? None, It goes to people that I feel don't deserve it. Yeah keep telling yourself everyone you disagree with is under 18 when your wearing your dunce cap.
>>68885916
>already paid off my student loans
>get health insurance from my state job
>Sanders would cost me $600 a month to pay for other people healthcare and education
Nah. Fuck him and fuck you.
>>68886588
I don't want tax cuts, I just don't want to pay 5k more a year for Shaniqua to go get her African Studies degree for free, or Pablo and his family of 17 to get free healthcare while contributing nothing to society. Kill yourself.
>>68886460
I actually can't find my original source. Everything I'm finding is much, much worse for you.
>15 trillion
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/11/politics/bernie-sanders-raise-taxes-spending-deficit/
>18 trillion
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2015/09/16/bernie-sanders-18-trillion-spending-plan-shows-democrats-irresponsibility
>14.4-19 trillion based on healthcare alone
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/01/18/bernie-sanders-incredible-28-trillion-plan-to-replace-obamacare-with-single-payer-health-care/#5cadd99f1bba
>>68883374
I never go to the doctor and I'm not going to college. What money would I be saving.
>>68886924
Cause the jews totally deserve your tax money right now?
>>68886832
In that case, you're actually the one who is missing his point.
>>68886551
However, you're wrong to think that universities, which will be subsidized for every person they let enroll, will add entrance exams (or even just remove muh quotas which are already in place). After all, they really just care about money.
>>68881426
>implying Democrats and Republicans aren't in bed together
>>68885585
Oh, because THAT works.. Pffftt
REPEATING FOR POSTERITY: GIBING DATS TO NIGS FOR FREE COLLEGE DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL GRADUATE. ITS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY. THEY WILL FAIL.
>>68886588
Do you know what less spending means besides less money? A lower size of government.
Trumps plan with a consumption tax IMO would be best
>>68883495
It does.
>>68885916
>implying we're stupid enough to get a job with no health insurance and get literally free money in Pell grants from the government to go to community college before transferring to a 4 year University
I'm LMAOing at you
Fuck you Bernie.
Maybe it wont be so bad if Clinton wins. At least my taxes wont change much
>>68879344
Sanders btfo
>>68886848
What >>68886913
says.
Do you have 1m x 1m x 30cm holes every 500m of road on average? No? What about fissures absolutely everywhere without even one exception? No, only in some areas? Stop complaining then.
(although to be fair it's not exactly like I've visited the entire USA, maybe there are areas that are that bad and aren't ghettos nobody approaches for fear of death).
>>68886680
agreed senpai. I was looking into moving somewhere where the rent was like 1 to 1.1 grand a month. Bernie makes this a dumb decision.
fug
>>68887082
Lol, wtf you doing Damnesha.
>>68879344
>even sanders' tax rate seems really low compared to Europe
FUCKING 45 PERCENT INCOME TAX
>>68887243
>Eurocucks just now realizing that they spend so much and get so little in return
Sorry you had to find out this way aquafresh
>>68879344
really not feeling the burn right now
>>68887197
I pay $1100/month for my 3 bedroom house since early 2012. It takes budgeting, but its worth it man. Used to live in a $550 nig apartments. Police escort for the pizza driver. Fuck that I bounced.
Also, your raise tells me you have good work ethic. Keep it up brother. You are MAGA
>>68886977
Agreed. And you know DAMN WELL that most of the "omfg free college" asshole gibmedats will drop out when they realize it requires work.
Those that do pass through and get a worthless degree will either not get a well paying job or will be pissed when they spend the rest of their lives paying extra taxes to support a 95% fail rate.
I was supposed to get a 100% scholarship 15 years ago. It got yanked from me and given to a classmate of mine whose family was poverty stricken. He dropped out in the 1st month and the money went bye-bye. That's what Bernie would do.
Fuck Bernie and fuck every idiot who supports him.
>>68886736
the budget for those are a few billion a year each at most - nowhere close to the $9.5 trillion his tax plan will cost
>>68886769
except you do, since trump doesn't want to cut any medicare or social security
no matter how much pot i smoke, you are still paying for my healthcare and retirement :)
>>68886877
how is the truth a shitpost exactly? trump is not offsetting any of the tax cuts in his tax plan
>>68886879
no, you are the antithesis of our philosophy. you want all the benefits of society with none of the responsibility or contribution. if you don't want to help take care of the US, then just get the fuck out and go back to India (trump will make sure you can come right back).
>What the fuck do you do anyway? How old are you? Post your tax calculation. Tell me about yourself.
you first
>>68886978
thank you for these
>>68886977
the government is still spending the exact same amount on all of that. the fact that it isn't coming from your taxes means it is coming from borrowing - aka your kids' taxes.
>>68887091
trump is not cutting government. that is the point. he is cutting taxes without cutting government spending, or government involvement. he specifically said he is keeping medicare, social security, and the military the same size (or possibly increasing them).
>>68887164
>>http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
Clinton will 100% be a continuation of Obama 2nd term I'm guessing, which isn't awful.
>>68887018
I could give $300 a month to greedy Jews or $900 to lazy niggers and spics.
I'll go with the Jews
Fuck off Bernie
I want to keep my hard earned money
I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW
>>68887243
And we don't even get free healthcare/education like other EU countries.
>>68887018
And all of my taxes go to the jews? I love how in Bernies rallies he talks about CEO's and Wallstreet and blames them for everything because they are evil. He never quotes any sources about all of them accept fun little stories like the Coch brothers. He assumes everyone who is rich is evil and does not deserve to be so rich. This is horseshit rhetoric that appeals to people on the retard IQ spectrum. If it werent for people trying to get rich and making thousands of jobs than our society would never be able to be built. Also if bernie wins than the size of government is more of something to fear than big businesses any day. Where do I want my money going to? Things that benefit everyone not just a select few.
>>68887464
>trump is not cutting government. that is the point. he is cutting taxes without cutting government spending, or government involvement
Actually he's claimed to cut all of those if you watched the debates. While he said he's keeping medicare, he's stated making drastic changes and cuts because of how bloated they are. Same for SS. He's also cutting in areas like the EPA, Dept. of Ed, Ag and Energy. Don't make us do your fucking research, please go and educate yourself before you keep making yourself look like a fucking jackass.
>>68885283
What do you do?
>>68886893
This.
People don't understand how bad nationalized healthcare is and how unavoidably worse it gets over time.
We have "free" healthcare here and I would be damned if I went there over a private practice.
The Worst thing is that I am, in some cases forced to,and it is usually one of the worst experiences I have to go trough that week(notice how I said week,as it usually forces me to go several time to get something done)
Lines of senior citizens posing a barricade greater than trumps wall to actually get to the doctors office,considering appointments are 'a relative thing'
Complete and utter APATHY of the staff,because guess what? You don't really care about doing your job when the only way of you losing that position is for the politicians to fire you.
And no politicians wants that headline in the paper.
Nationalized healthcare is a hellhole that should be avoided at all costs,its riddled with apathy incompetence and corruption
>>68887421
What are you worried about medpack?
>>68887464
>the government is still spending the exact same amount on all that
No, they aren't, because no other candidate is fucking braindead enough to push for single-payer healthcare or free education. Which is why I don't support Bernie. Have you fucking seen how much his socialist garbage will increase the deficit? And you're complaining about Trump crippling the country economically? LMAOing at your life. Honestly if Hillary wins, at least my taxes won't go up.
>>68886091
Google sanpaku. He's a psycho.
