Say this guy never happened.
What would be different about the state of America?
>>68876676
Not a whole lot. We let the NSA do its thing to stay safe from sand niggers
>>68876744
>he doesn't know those were all false flags
>>68876676
nothing
He joined a traitorous organization. He is a traitor by definition.
>>68876676
people already posted about nsa before him, so nothing
Do any of you think that he was a spy like the Don implied?
We wouldn't have any hard evidence against those who authorized the programs for the day of the rope.
>>68876878
>He joined a traitorous organization.
The Congress?
>>68876808
Fuck off faggot. You've probably never felt the pain of losing. Don't make light of the situation for your tin foil hat shit. There's literally no reason for there to be false flags. Muslims are violent shits.
>>68876676
not a god damn thing.
>>68876676
Another michael moore?
Nothing. He did a service for the US, but people were already suspicious of the government.
>>68877185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
The only thing different would be that you'd still be called tinfoil for suggesting the government spies on e-mail and mobile phones or cooperates with tech companies to invade your privacy
The Apple vs FBI thing would've never gone public
He did a good thing but the reality is no one cares, that America is dead and gone and it's not coming back
![nsa[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GtZTBfJ.jpg "nsa[1].jpg")
>>68876676
Almost nothing.
The only difference is that liberals wouldn't be crying about the NSA trying to prevent terrorism because they are afraid that they NSA is watching them masturbate to furry porn.
>>68876676
Nothing.
It was a well publicized fact that the government was building a giant data warehouse in UT before he said anything.
If you think they weren't spying on EVERYONE they could, you live your life willfully ignorant. Many news articles existed before that the "data miners" had been caught spying on their wives, mistresses, etc. More than actually doing their job.
Like Newton, he just confirmed the truth, he didn't make it.
He didn't release any information that anyone with half a brain didn't already know was happening. But he did betray his county and ran away like a little bitch. Hope he gets thrown in prison and has to spend the rest of his life having sex with Brad Manning.
>>68877300
More like Americans are reatrded
>>68877938
>Like Newton, he just confirmed the truth, he didn't make it.
>newton
>truth
At non relativistic speeds I suppose you can call it truth.
>>68876676
Before snowden the government spying on its people was still a conspiracy theory
Now it is and accepted open secret
The difference is not so much as what has been done the difference is in peoples minds they have gotten a tad more realist and careful
>>68878395
>Took risk for americans
>Americans too retarded to understand
>Lost hope
>Live in Great Russia
>>68878399
> calls americans retarded
> can't spell retarded
wew lad
>>68878458
If you fell off a building, before Newton called it gravity; you're still dead.
No matter how much bantering you care to engage in, it's a fact.
>>68878622
>Spelling error in English
>Not first language
>Anybody who don't speak english is retarded?
>American logic
Americans are too divided to use what he did for their benefit. Pretty sad.
everyone already knew we were being spied on.
me and my friends joked about it in 2006 and they weren't conspiracy theorists or anything
>>68876744
>>68876875
>>68877210
>>68877938
>>68878544
For the normal person yes. But for those of us who create and build the technologies and protocols we all use to interact with the internet and to communicate with each other - everything changed. We now have to accept passive eavesdropping into our threat model for every part of the system. We also have to work hard to determine the intentionally weakened cryptographic systems the NSA worked to backdoor (which makes us all unsafe - Juniper had their router operating system compromised and backdoored probably by China using NSAs backdoor in Dual EC DRBG).
If only you guys knew the half of it. Those leaks changed far more than you can see.
>>68876676
Less knowledge people. America is full of people that believe in bullshit myths. Without Snowden there would be even more of those dumbasses.
The history you learn in school in Murica is bullshit because it's controlled by the wealthy.
Called Jeb Bush a cuck,
He's pretty okay in my book.
>>68879070
everything "leaked" was already known in 2/5ths of society. you call them "conspiracy tards"
>>68879028
It already became completely obvious in the 90s when your gubment tried to put a lid on strong encryption.
>>68876676
Literally nothing. He only informed us of shit that we already knew about SINCE NIXON and watergate. While sanctimoniously leaking top documents to foreign countries, terrorists, and enemies of our country in general.
If you really don't believe that no one would have know about the collection of information by all means, please, go to the FAQ or Privacy and Security statements of any major social media site, cell phone company, or forum (including 4chan) and actually fucking read it. They all openly admit that everything you do and say is recorded and that it will be handed over to the authorities.
I QUOTE FROM THE 4CHAN FAQ: TECHNICAL SECTION
>What personal information is collected?
>4chan collects and stores user information for postings. Once a post is pruned or deleted, it is removed from our web server. We value the privacy of our users, and will not make private information such as IP addresses available to others, except to comply with court orders or to cooperate with law enforcement agencies when appropriate.
Even 4chan will turn you over to the authorities. You understand that twitter and facebook posts are never deleted correct?
If Snowden is a hero for telling you that the government tracks your every fucking move than I'm also a hero for telling you where babies come from
>>68878865
Aristotle taught that the earth was a sphere and earth and water wanted to return to its center. Newton just developed the mathematics of what was already well understood at the time conceptually. And that is all newton did was conceptual. Atomic theory hadn't existed yet.
>>68877185
I can almost guarentee that 9/11 was a false flag carried out by Saudis, fianced by Israel and the Saudi Govt, and then the top people in the US govt just ignored it so we could go full retard in the middle east.
The people at the top are alot more evil and callous than you or I could ever know.
Nothing the NSA had was particularly surprising to anyone in the industry, and it was all quite low tech and garbage tier, coded by people who couldn't hack it in the more competitive private sector.
On a personal level it was pretty clear Snowden has a massive chip on his shoulder and is a colossal underachiever, he even drops some early 4chan memes in the interview.
He probably wanted to work at Google or Facebook but could only get a job as an external contractor for the NSA. He was effectively doing monkey work. I'm sure he saw this as his chance to be famous and if you watch Citizenfour all of the hotel scenes with Snowden (covering his laptop screen with a towel while he types his password, disconnecting the hotel phone, panicking over a fire alarm) it's pretty transparent. He is playing the role of dangerous superspy hackerguy and all for the love of freedom.
Meanwhile nobody even noticed he was gone when he didn't show up for work for the first week.
All you really need is a VPN and E2EE and you too can be a terrorist or criminal mastermind or leet hacker, because nobody and I mean nobody eavesdropping over your line can decrypt what you are doing or pinpoint your true location.
Remember kids, hackers and criminals will always be ahead of government organisations. For one thing, the smartest people tend to be the ones who also hate rules and regulations the most.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-10/hackers-accused-by-u-s-of-targeting-top-banks-mutual-funds
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/bangladesh-bank-governor-resigns-81m-hack-160315084217775.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-16812064
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/611873/hackers-steal-money-UK-bank-accounts-malware-virus-national-crime-agency
http://www.ibtimes.com/hackers-steal-1-billion-biggest-bank-heist-history-could-they-take-down-whole-system-1818010
Russian and Chinese PhD's hired by organised crime for the most part.
I like all these people talking about every one already knew.
Prior to him
>LoL, government saving everyone's info/messages? Wheres your tin foil hat
After him
>Well duh every one already knew that
Sadly the only thing he changed was people proving once again hindsight is 20/20. Also aspects of the whistleblower protection act have expired with out being extended, meaning you can get in as much trouble as this guy even if you blow the whistle through proper channels.
>>68879339
Unless those tards have computer science degrees then I doubt it. In any case it doesn't matter since they changed nothing prior to Snowden. He still changed everything.
>>68879740
What was surprising was that all the traffic was monitored. Which is the laziest and dumbest possible solution. instead of penetrating systems by potential terrorists or criminals, it just passively watches everything and suffers from massive bloating and data mining problems (eg. always needs more money to run).
>>68879070
Such faux intelligence.
>If you only knew
We knew, long before. Nothing you mentioned would be different at all if Snowdon didn't say his peace. Domestic spying has existed since the patriot act (and before).
Don't act like your so special, you're just another victim of your government like the rest of us.
>>68880526
>instead of penetrating systems by potential terrorists or criminals,
>implying they don't
Do people really look up to a whiny little coward who fled the country rather than stand and face the music? As a casual observer it just makes him look weak to abandon his ideals like that, favoring personal safety over getting the message across. It makes him a hypocrite.
Nothing
>>68881631
>getting messages across when you are caught How?
Lots of shills spinning their tale on here. I guess it's because their dear Trump daddy is a wanna Orwellian Stalinist.
>>68880986
First off its not faux intelligence - I just happen to work in a field that is concerned with this stuff. The personal impact of Snowden to me is nothing - same as you. But the professional impact is massive. The "if only you knew" part still stands because most people don't work in a field that was affected, nor know the actual fallout for real companies and organisations the leaks caused. You still think that domestic surveillance "gubmint wuz spyin on us" was the key takeaway from the leaks. I'm telling you for the people who are making the changes: its not - we now understand how the NSA makes us less safe at a technological level and we can work to fix that.
>>68876676
I would be a lot dumber in terms of how America uses their intelligence capabilities.
>>68882083
>Leak
>Get caught and punished
>Become martyr whose message is now ten times stronger
Guy just didn't have the stones to stand with his beliefs.
>>68881631
>believes that government mass surveillance is harmful to society
>doesn't want to face a trial put on by a government who regularly lies to the public about his actions
There is no chance that he would not be charged with treason, even though he did the right thing and harmed exactly no one. That is not justice, and voluntarily submitting to the charade would strengthen the governments ability to argue that what he did was wrong, potentially weakening the effects of his actions. Running was both strategically and morally the right thing to do.
>>68876676
A fuckton of our intel sources would be alive right now.
>>68882673
Nice proxy, Snow.
>>68882757
>Snow
Yeah, I'm either Snowden or absolutely any /g/entooman.
>>68876676
people always have the impression they are being watched, and even tho they realise is true they don't dunuffin.
we are way to busy dealing with our lifes to give a shit.
