Why is it so hard to find a job these days? Even one scrubbing toilets. Why can't the government just give everyone a job? It's not a handout because we'd be giving more to the government in taxes and work then we'd take. Even if the government can't find me a job why can't I just get a job being paid really low doing really basic work? In the Medieval Times everyone was employed and they had less resources to go around then today. Explain one good reason why everyone isn't employed.
In medieval times it was either work or die. It isn't like that now.
>>68808349
Except I want to get a job! I can't find one. It's not laziness and I'm not a welfare bum. If it was work or die now I would die because I can't find a job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>>68808023
Unemployment rates are a critical ingredient of economics slavery son. 5 to 10% is usually enough to make people desperate and run over others to get that job. Around 20% threatens the system though, why they never let it get above that!
Don't trust the stats, first world is hovering around 15% real unemployment.
>>68808023
Market is absolutely flooded with labor
>blue collar/service shit
Flooded with immigrants/Mexicans
>good white collar jobs
market is completely saturated with every college degree under the sun. Not even engineers have it easy. The only way you get a job in this market is knowing someone, being black or Native American or whatever (this is a huge plus) or by having a great interview personality and doing cutting edge work during an internship
with a 4.0 gpa
>>68809725
Well that's just stupid. Automation should make us richer, not drive down our wages and put us in poverty.
>>68810213
But wouldn't that be bad for corporations and the establishment because then people have less money to buy their products.
>>68810232
Then their should be more resources to give to everyone including me. I'm not going to ask for handouts but even if we have a ton of cheap labour couldn't they always do with more? Resources are still scarce for most people so the manufactures could do with more labour.
Also there is very little Mexicans in Canada.
>>68808023
because governments lay claim to all unused land and real estate is expensive
Its pretty simple, technology made most jobs obsolete.
In first world countries work is completely optional.
>>68810601
But why can't they just employ all unemployed people making something like cotton. Something even the inexperienced and uneducated can do. It just seems wasteful that there are thousands of people who want to work but can't.
Because immigration from third world countries leads to an infinite supply of unskilled labor.
>>68810725
Then we should live in abundance. If robots can do most work then why don't we have the same wealth as the 50s but with less work? Why do we still live in poverty?
>>68810391
Shut up cuckada, you don't know what "poverty" means
Because they don't give a fuck about us. We will take it from their dead hands.
The world will go mad, and then pieces of cotton will not save them
>>68810860
So? Even if there were a trillion workers doing basic unskilled labour they could always add in an extra cog in the system to boost production a bit.
>>68808023
>It's not a handout because we'd be giving more to the government in taxes and work then we'd take.
This is assuming that you'll fire people who fail to justify their positions. If you do, they don't give a shit and will just go on to their next govt guaranteed job under your system. If you don't, they just stay where they are, leeching resources in exchange for nothing.
I know if you're young that will sound overly theoretical. Surely people won't take their job for granted even if it's guaranteed right? Nope, people manage to be incredibly lazy even in our world where they're fucked without work. Once you get into your 30s you'll start to see just how shit most people are.
>>68810909
There is poverty in first world countries, Nascimento da Costa.
>>68808023
Because 100 people apply for each open position.
>>68811008
Well then maybe they could doc their pay. There has to be a way to have every single person work. In anthills you don't see certain ants wanting to work but can't, that just seems so wasteful.
>>68808023
Well, you're skirting around a real huge question with a real stupid one.
It should not be
>Why can't the government give everyone a job?
Which is essentially just featherbedding; for instance, in Japan there are tons of jobs that are not really necessary with improved technology, but they're kept to simply keep people employed.
The problem with this, is you're employing more hands, but not necessarily creating more value through their labor. You could have a security guard on every bus, a second register at every restaurant, double the amount of cab drivers, etc, but they wouldn't really be worth the cost of hiring them.
The real question you should be asking is
>What do you do with people that are not worth employing?
This will be a defining issue of our generation. A lot of people are simply not valuable enough in labor to pay minimum wage. This also leads to a
>If we pay everyone a standard living wage regardless of work, how will society be organized?
But that's a bit farther down the line.
>>68808715
Do you want a job or do you want the money and status that comes with being employed?
>>68811043
"Poverty" in Canada is having a small house and a small car
>>68811209
Cut hours.
We should be working 20 hours for the same pay by now
>>68808023
I don't know how people like you manage to breathe, let alone string letters together to form words.
>>68810896
We suffered that crossroad many decades ago.
Instead of automating everything; we created the useless service industry.
>>68811191
Give all 100 people a job doing basic work. Problem solved.
>>68810975
Organization of unskilled labor requires skilled labor.
>>68811277
No. I don't know abot Canada, but there are still persons in Portugal that have only one meal per day. There are persons that would starve if not for the catholic church and charities.
>>68811425
>look at me, i am so good and noble and better then you filthy common peasents
Go masturbate to anime, you weaabo
Here in the states there are jobs all over, but you most likely have to move for a decent one. I got a job at a prison, and most prisons in the country have retention issues... Jee I wonder why
>>68811544
There is more than enough educated College Grads who would do that.
>>68811440
That quote makes sense. Put what I was sort of thinking into one paragraph.
>>68811425
You're clearly too stupid to be on this board.
>>68810909
Canada is a poor country now.
>>68811331
That's my point. There's more than enough production than 65 years ago but we're way worse off and work more than we did in the 50s.
>>68811691
> I don't know abot Canada, but there are still persons in Portugal that have only one meal per day. There are persons that would starve if not for the catholic church and charities.
This. There is many people who live like this in Vancouver. Many.
>>68808023
To give more than take while being on a government job you'd have to pay over 100% taxes, otherwise you'll just be a burden.
As for the medieval times, the amount of people needed to grow food was mich greater so everyone had to work. We can reach 100% employment again if we ditch modern technology. Everyone will be employed back on the fields.
>>68811711
I thought unemployment is very high in the U.S? And how did you get a job in a prison? I heard you need a sociology degree or psychology degree because they feel you need to understand the people you're working with.
>>68811691
Low-IQ poor retards like yourself do so love to nurture your inferiority complexes. Just because people think lowly of your ability to articulate coherent and logically consistent arguments doesn't mean they think of themselves as existentially more important than you, Poverty-chan.
>Society: Just get a job! It's so easy! Anyone can do it! If you don't have a job, you're a worthless turd.
>Employer: heheheheh I was almost going to hire you but I see here you got arrested for a misdemeanor 5 years ago tough luck pal
So even though I don't do what I was arrested for anymore and it's been 5 years since I paid my denmbt to society, I should be barred from the job market?
no wonder people advocate welfare and "universal income"
>>68811956
You asked why can't everyone have a job, not why doesn't everyone have a job. The fact that there are college graduates who could fill potential management jobs is irrelevant when they would need to manage infinite working class jobs.
Why do I even reply to a fucking leaf
>>68812342
>To give more than take while being on a government job you'd have to pay over 100% taxes, otherwise you'll just be a burden.
Not true. You could be building them a bridge that they will sell to a private company. You'd be giving them tax + labor in the form of the road.
>>68812473
I've never been arrested but I understand this. It's hard enough to get a job without a criminal record, I imagine it would be impossible with one. I think after your prison sentence if it's a minor crime they should swipe it from your public record.
>>68812487
It's not infinite though. And the more working class people enter the market the more college grad managers you hire. That increases productivity and wealth for everyone involved. It's a win win.
>>68811956
Says the guy who literally and unironically said
>Why can't the government just give everyone a job?
>>68812857
That's what John Maynard Keynes suggested. You're stupidity makes me laugh lol.
>>68812449
>dat poor syndrome
Did a poor guy fuck your crush? Or where you humiliated by them in your youth?
We have a saying in my country:
Don't serve a man who served, and don't beg to a man who begged. I bet it fit's you perfecctly.
Either way, i hope you are happy IRL.
>>68812473
Why were you arrested?
>>68812857
So it's better to have death weights?
>>68812406
Depends on state, the one I got has the requirement "high-school or GED" at least, but they like to hire people with experience in military or similar. Literally google "state jobs" for your state and you get a shit ton of results. Just mass apply and see what happens, I am sure there is a similar thing in Canada that not to many people know of.
It is one of those jobs that a lot of people do not want to do, so retention is horrible
>>68810896
Mostly because the top 1% got all that wealth instead of giving people raises.
>>68813071
LOL I live in Canada there are no states. But that was good advice though. I am just frustrated because I go through all the work to get an interview and then I get turned down.
>Why is it so hard to find a job these days? Even one scrubbing toilets.
We can pinpoint the reason for that pretty easily here in the U.S.
>>68808023
They can. Anyone can start a business right now.
>>68812956
>Keynes
You mean the guy who destroyed Britain's economy for the long run and arguably brought about the circumstances by which the Great Depression become so great?
A fucking leaf.
>>68812816
I didn't even have to go to prison. I got arrested, sat in jail overnight, and did one year probation.
>>68813050
Marijuana.
>inb4 "heh I was almost gonna say you should be able to get a job but I see here you used drugs and got arrested for it one time 5 years ago hahahahaha tough luck pal"
>>68813050
I have a better saying, Poverty-chan - don't serve anyone.
people want wealth, not a job. What makes society rich is not jobs, but productivity. If we could, we'd have robots doing everything, and we'd be free to do nothing all day, jobless, but wealthy.
>>68808023
>Why can't everyone have a Job
Because the bottom of the barrell don't deserve or want to work.
>>68812956
>you're
THAT FEEL WHEN YOUR IN A SHITPOSTING THREAD!
>>68813746
He's a Keynesian cultist - the fact that the broken window fallacy is even a fallacy is completely lost on him.
>>68808023
Overpopulation
>>68813354
Top 1% is taxed to high to give raises.
>>68808023
fixed your picture bro
I'll hire you to suck my dick.
>>68814305
>implying blacks look for work
kek
>>68813678
>Marijuana
I feel bad for you. I mean, you are probably not the only one. But geeting your life fucked up because you smoked pot, like almost everyone does, is a fucked up thing. I mean, i dont smoke it anymore, but i don't see no harm in it. Druh prohibition ruined so many fucking lifes.
>>68813720
Good for you m8.
>>68813786
>Because the bottom of the barrell don't deserve or want to work.
Yo know nothing of the poor people life struggles
>>68814261
kek, nice troll mate
>>68810232
>Not even engineers have it easy.
Kek, yes we do. The only people that have trouble finding jobs are people with no skills and people with a skill but are fucking autistic/retarded.
90% of people I interview (STEM) are qualified on paper but have the most god awful resumes and have zero kills at interviewing.
>>68813354
The vast majority of company profits go to shareholders or are directly reinvested.
>>68810391
>But wouldn't that be bad for corporations and the establishment because then people have less money to buy their products.
How many people on welfare still have iphones? Coroporations don't care if they're on welfare. The government should care but then who would fund their campaigns?
>Well that's just stupid. Automation should make us richer, not drive down our wages and put us in poverty.
It makes the Employers wealthier, whilst decrease workers, add in lots of Immigration and outsourcing and you see how fucked it all really is. Also Unemployment figures can be sweked easily, working one shift a week at the supermarket? that counts as employed. Even being unemployed but not actively looking for work doesn't count.
This capitalism/socialism Hybrid mess we have at the moment is unsustainable without importing millions of immigrants to keep it growing. Our governments have sold out the middle class and aren't sure how to fix it, we're quickly moving towards having a upper class and a peasant class
Because that gives less bargaining power to the businesses / corporations.
If the unemployment rate was as low as possible with new teenagers filtering into the market they'd take the shitty cheap jobs and by the time they're 25 they've either been moving up the ladder in terms of positions or have been moving up in wages by virtue of continuous employment (i can't imagine you NA fuckers are so cucked you don't get pay raises anymore).
The way they have it now is basically teenagers, young adults and even some adults / old people are all fighting for low paying, traditionally 'underclass' work to survive.
Basically there is enough labor supply to fund businesses profits AND keep larger companies safe with high turnover rates. And all the while the government gives them huge tax incentives / they just dodge taxes.
Btw all the companies im talking about here are the massive service sector economy that the elites want the West to be entirely reliant upon.
>>68814424
What infuriates me is that it was less than half a gram.
But apparently I deserve to be blackballed from the workforce for this.
>>68808023
Well, here in New Zealand, the minimum wage keeps on going up, Directors of company's are now responsible if someone stubs their tow.
you cant do it anymore...
>>68808023
>why can't I just get a job being paid really low doing really basic work?
Minimum wage and getting undercut by illegals.
top kek
>>68814640
They can make up whatever rules they like. They could make proximity to bananas illegal and punishable by forced labor if they really wanted to.
>>68814910
I don't care about "muh weed laws" anymore.
I care about being blacklisted from employment simply because I broke a law 5 years ago, in spite of the fact that I've been a law-abiding citizen who volunteers in his spare time since then.
>pic related
>now I know why "The Beta Uprising" exists
Economics.
It's better for the corporations to have 1 in 10 out of work. There's still people buying stuff but enough people wanting work to keep wages low because if you don't want to work for 5 dollars an hour there's someone who will.
The trick is keeping part time balanced with it. That way you don't pay overtime or benefits but still have enough unemployment to keep wages down.
>>68814378
You have to make the token effort to pretend you're seeking work to collect unemployment.
>>68815030
You could be blacklisted for anything at all. There are both private and public organizations that take it upon themselves to spread information or even misinformation about people they take a disliking to in order to make their lives harder. Since it's other people's choice to associate with you or not, there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
>>68810213
This.
The unemployed keep the rest motivated to avoid getting fired.
East Germany had a 0% unemployment rate.
Result: everybody slacked becasue if they got fired they would get a new job the next day.
That said, IMO the long-term unemployed should do government projects.
Even if it's just cleaning the streets.
>>68808023
Because social security systems create a virtual minimum loan that keeps people away from doing bad payed jobs.
In Brasil for example there is virtually no unemployment. There are just some people that get payed very bad.
>>68808023
I'm in the Poconos, PA and there are plenty of jobs. My area has a ton of resorts with indoor waterparks, golf courses, skiing, etc. Tons of seasonal work.
But all I see are niggers and white trash buying groceries with EBT cards and then getting into that nice car that welfare bought them.
But no one can work because they either shit out 3+ kids or are some kind of phony "disability."
It's people that DON'T want jobs, not the jobs themself.
Why bother getting a job when the government will pay niggers and every other worthless person a stipend for their vote
>>68810213
Can you explain what you mean by "real unemployment rate"?
It's clearly not the reported unemployment, which only counts people who are looking for a job, and it's also clearly not labor participation, as the US has only 63% or so labor participation, or 37% not in labor force.
>>68815030
It's like they are forcing you to become a career criminal.
No wonder America has the biggest prison population in the world.
Completely agree they should not put minor offenses on your public record.
>>68816034
What makes something a 'minor' vs a 'major' offense, exactly? Legal positivism is the predominant legal theory.
>>68816034
Prisons are privately runned in America. Private corporations receive money per head. Then they treat them like shit. There were even cases in wich judges were caught receiving money in order to give harsher penalties.
>>68814437
For every one, of you there's 300 engineer grads saying "I got a 4.0 gpa from Georgia tech electrical engineering and was captain of the dick sucking team and president of the IEEE and I applied to 4000 jobs but only got 1 call back"
>>68816034
I wasn't a "career criminal".
I got arrested for possession of less than one quarter of a gram of marijuana 5 years ago and did one year probation for it.
That's 0.10g if you don't know
>>68816299
By the amount of harm caused to others. But this is my view. Modern justice system is a huge fuck up.
I never quite understood wwhy there are victimless crimes
>>68816370
He meant that it seems that they want you to become a career criminal e.g. that they don't want you to insert in society again.
>>68816299
>What makes something a 'minor' vs a 'major' offense, exactly?
Victim-less crimes are all minor.
>>68816564
How exactly do you measure 'harm'?
>>68816370
>I wasn't a "career criminal".
Not yet.
But if it's true you can't get a job becasue of your record, I'd imagine you will be within a couple of years.
What else can you do?
>>68814322
See I offered OP a job. He's just a lazy shit that doesn't want to work.
>>68816660
I agree in sentiment - I don't think anything that only directly affects one person ought to be prosecutable. But there are plenty of victimless crimes that are treated as major crimes, such as dealing heroine or black market arms. Why is their determination that they're major wrong, and why is your determination that they're minor right?
>>68816706
We can't exactly define harm in a mathematical way. But we can define general principles:
>murder is a major
>kidnapping is a major
>rape is a major
Because it causes major human suffering, traumas, and death the the victim
No stuff like jaywalking (lol) should be minor
>>68811440
Wow is this the original NEET?
>>68816660
>>68816745
These two posts contradict
>acknowledges the existence of a "minor crime"
>>bro if you committed a minor crime just keep being a criminal you shitbag go rob and kill someone #YOLO
fucking kankers
>>68817148
That doesn't tell us what 'harm' actually is then. This is one of the major most basic Socratic problems - if you can't say what it is then perhaps you shouldn't try to base principles on it.
I can retort to you saying "rape is major", or "kidnapping is major", with the fact that no suffering or trauma need actually occur in either of those instances.
>>68816967
drug prohibition is wrong in all senses
Black market arms are wrong because they never forced to discriminate to who they sell their weapons to.
>>68808023
Dude you gave your jobs away to immigrants. Fucking die in a gutter you fool
>>68817456
You should never be forced to discriminate who you're selling to - that's where you make the departure to being a violent sociopath and I stay on the path of moral rightness.
>>68817448
Wow, i felt pity for you, but you are actually dumb. Learn to read idiot~
>american education
>>68817450
>That doesn't tell us what 'harm' actually is then.
I forgot to add. Major crimes are also based on christian thinking and theology
>>68817742
So you should be able to sell weapons to ravaging lunatics?
>>68817971
So why shouldn't I take welfare or murder and rape and rob your mother?
I'm dumb and I'm a former criminal and unemployable, according to all you cucks
>>68818064
Keep on reinforcing the fact that you are dumb. Jesus, and then they let this kind of people vote.
>>68818275
But you just said I'm dumb.
Everyone else in the other thread said I'm dumb.
Everyone in society thinks I'm dumb for breaking the law.
How am I not dumb? It's like I'm the only person on Planet Earth who knows what pragmatism is anymore.
>>68808023
What you're advocating is the New Deal. It's something I'd actually support in lieu of most welfare programs. For someone to qualify for welfare they must truly be disabled.
>>68817971
Of course you should be able to - it's a fact that you already can. If you want to ask the question *should you*, obviously the answer is no. You can't make a determination that someone is a raving lunatic or that they aren't with necessary accuracy in the first place, or that they won't become raving lunatics in the future.
In regard to the 'Christian thinking and theology' point, our legal system has long since ceased to have any relation to morality. Legal positivism is the prevailing legal theory in the West and has been for decades, whose thesis is *directly* that "law has no relation with morality".
>>68817148
and how is that more correct than say, the axiom of self ownership
>>68808023
You almighty twit.
This is the socialist fantasy - "Why doesn't the government just employ everybody??! Hur Durr"
Because those wages need to be paid for by the existing tax intake. You can't just magic up money to employ people with.
If you print more money you devalue your currency.
If you increase taxes you reduce the efficiency of your existing industry.
Plus when have you ever known the most productive employees to be doing "government work". Never. That's when.
>>68808023
>government fucks the economy preventing me from getting a job
>I'm so confident in the government I want it to employ me
Leaf logic everyone
>Why can't the government just give everyone a job?
They do, fuck-tard. Its called the Army.
>>68814444
>go to shareholders
Like I said, the top 1%.
>>68812143
Why would they come here if they're just gonna starve?
>>68808023
Because you white shits are too lazy and spoiled. Stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a gold plate
>>68818601
Most shareholders aren't in the top 10%, let alone the top 1%. You vastly underestimate the amount of money really average people actually invest in stocks.
>>68818388
I will say this once. I don't think you are dumb because you broke the law. I don't care, since it's a marijuana offence. I don't think ill of you because of this. But you completely missed the point the dutch anon made.
He just meant that the fact that you are getting turned down from jobs and society in general because of a minor offence seems like a way to keep you from integrating back to society, so that you continue in a life of crime.
>>68818794
Enjoying your massive homelessness, Japan?
>>68812473
you probably act like a nigger in other ways too
>>68808023
>Medieval Times
That is your answer right there! Do you live in the GTA area? Have you ever thought about working at Medieval Times?
>>68819366
U.S. still has more percentage homeless by most estimates bruh.
>>68818518
Under free market economics there still would be unemployment. How could there not be? Automation would put everyone out of work
>>68819471
>automation
>bad thing
Output = wealth and prosperity.
Jobs =/= wealth and prosperity.
A fucking leaf.
>>68818794
Japanese are all spoiled. They expect a lot of money just for working.
Capitalism relies on a reserve pool of labour to keep wages down.
Capitalism cannot and will not deliver full employment, by its very nature.
No unemployment = labour is more powerful relative to capital.
Think about the time after the Black Death first made its debut in Europe. Lots of folk were dead, but the benefit to the peasants were manifold. Land was cheaper, and their work was more valuable due to its greater scarcity.
Now, populations are massive, immigrants are a constant reserve army of labour, jobs in the West are predominantly makework, so there is no security, the list goes on.
Its all about maintaining a decent rate of profit in light of constant competition.
>>68819610
Then why are my parents rich despite growing up in a time with less automation and I'm poor despite growing up in a time with high automation? I'll tell you. The reason is they had jobs.
>>68808023
>why can't the government just give everyone a job?
I remember high school
>>68819703
That's what I think. But the unemployed will always be thought of as lazy.
>>68819758
But then their should be more demand for wealth because there is more people. That should in theory create more jobs.
>>68819366
Butthurt amerifat detected. Go out for once and see how shitty your country has become.
Fucking waito piggu
>>68819381
Not really, cuck.
I volunteer four times a week at my local animal shelter and I go to the gym 5 times a week when I'm not visiting my grandparents or shitposting.
>>68819901
Sure ya do.
>>68819792
Because they were *productive*. Presumably anyway - resources aren't always allocated toward the productive perfectly, they just tend to generally. Automation is only good if it increases productivity. Most people understand this, and only use automation when it's sufficiently efficient to do so.
Getting a job is hard enough for me not being able to do jobs with a lot of people interaction (retail/food etc) because of my anxiety , then ontop of that factor my little bit of real experience when nobody wants to train you , I'm so embarrassed being almost 30 and never having a real tax taking job. I am with a job placement center though. I did technically get a job at a warehouse but before they were gonna hire me they decided not to hire anyone due to slowdown.
Because we live in a society where not everyone's 100% working effort is required to survive, but we still feel like it is.
Also women in the workforce.
>>68820126
But why can't the there be automation plus workers in a factory? Why not have both? Don't buy machines and fire the workers, employ both and sell double the goods.
>>68820308
Women in the workforce should create jobs because the women use their money to buy things and that creates demand.
>>68820374
>But why can't the there be automation plus workers in a factory?
There usually are, because not every position is it cost efficient to have a machine for currently. But you should *want* it to be the case that machines end up being more efficient so that people don't have to work those horrid jobs anymore. More output with less people having to do things they don't want to do is a *good* thing.
>>68820513
How is it good? Then people are unemployed and can't find work. Back in the 50s people could make money a lot easier.
>>68815769
I think unemployment numbers are people on welfare, not the amount of people who don't have a job.
>>68820495
the stuff they buy creates jobs in china
>>68820677
So should we put Tariffs on their goods?
>>68820588
You retrain or find other unskilled work like factory work. But don't be surprised when your unskilled job doesn't pay very well because everyone and their sister apply for it.
I'm a black man in my early twenties. Despite having no job experience last month I'm currently working two entry-level part-time jobs and going to school full-time.
If I can do that then why can't you?
>>68808023
most unemployed people are not worth minimum wage
>>68819928
>That should in theory create more jobs.
Only if the rate of profit is high enough to warrant investment.
>>68816334
>electrical engineering
>not computer science
Point at this faggot and laugh
>>68820887
I can't even find a minimum wage job. That's lowest possible pay.
>>68820980
How the hell did you get hired? I go to the job interview, have a good interview, and I never get chosen!
>>68821010
This probably. If minimum wage was abolished would everyone be employed?
>>68821021
Well there is a lot more profits being made by workers today then during the black plague time.
>>68821191
>How the hell did you get hired? I go to the job interview, have a good interview, and I never get chosen!
He's black. Diversity hire.
>>68821191
>I can't even find a minimum wage job
>that's the lowest possible pay
You can thank government for that. But restaurants, grocery stores, and gas stations among other unskilled places are hiring constantly because they have incredibly high turnover rates. Unless you live in the boondocks or you're not trying very hard, you should be able to get a job. If you're neither of those and you can't find a job within two months, you're a statistical anomaly given the turnover rates and density of those jobs.
>>68820109
Why won't the shelter hire you? Are you a shitty worker with a bad attitude who makes constant excuses?
lol jk, i know they wont hire you because theyre the shelter that uses court mandated volunteer workers
>>68821591
No, they won't hire me because I already asked
I already paid my denmbt to society 5 years ago, you anime-fapping dakimakura-clutching virginal cuck. I volunteer because I love animals
>>68821191
First interview wasn't even a real interview. They just wanted to confirm my name, address, and phone number, whole thing lasted like 15 seconds before they got back to me a week later after doing a background check. They really want new people because not everyone shows up after their first day and some just randomly leave without telling anyone because of the physical labor and no phone policy.
Second job I just had to answer a couple of surveys online before going to the actual place to do a face-to-face interview that was only six questions.
>>68821186
>Code monkey
Lol, enjoy your slavery
>>68821509
I don't think that's it.
>>68821564
Seriously? I never heard of looking there before.
>>68821789
Oh ok thx. Seems like it must not be that hard to get a job if even people who walk out on the first day can get it.
>>68821186
not that guy but i can tell you don't have a job
>>68821564
Then I just have the worst luck ever with that warehouse deciding not to hire anyone after I already was interviewed and stuff and them saying yes.
>>68821972
Looking where? If you're being sarcastic that doesn't change the fact that if you're actually neither in the boondocks nor not trying very hard you'd be a statistical anomaly.
>>68822179
One place =/= the entire job market. Anecdote doesn't change statistical reality, which is that the lowest paying jobs tend to have massive turnover rates along with high density in most sufficiently populated places in the first world.
Never not had a job since 16, your a cuck or beta is why you can't find something.
>>68822232
Oh really? During the Great Depression is was nearly impossible to get a job. Canada's economy isn't as good as yours so our recession which we're in right now is like your depression. It's not uncommon for people to not have jobs here.
>>68822403
I mean that's true, I just haven't yet seen any similar job since and I was actually starting to be ok with the idea of it and things. I mean there's still a "small" chance that whenever they do decide to hire people they would call me again but still it's such a downer.
Because capitalism.
In a perfect world, jobs would be a basic right, we would work a lot less and get paid the same. But Jews are running everything, so this won't happen anytime soon.
>>68818581
US army has a limited number of positions and turns people away pretty regularly now.
>>68818581
demand is high, so they can be picky. just like every other profession
>>68822709
During the Great Depression capital investment was demolished by enormous taxes.
If you can't find a job for whatever reason, you always have the option of participating in the underground economy and offering your services - whether those services be helping people move or house-cleaning or anything else - to other people for competitive prices off the books.
Because if everyone was employed there'd be no reason to work. No one would try for shit if it would be super easy to get a job whenever.
I'm in the same boat as you, i'm looking for jobs, but I have a disability that disqualifies me from working with food. That cut so much entry level temp jobs you wouldn't believe. I ended up stuck working customer support at a verizon store (cell provider in the states) but it was just absolutely awful. Still it was better than nothing. Then they shut the store down because it was redundant and now i'm stuck looking for a job because I don't qualify for welfare OR food stamps, and because my disability isn't an actual physical deformity but instead an allergen issue I don't qualify for that either.
So i'm walking around plucking weeds from the rich neighborhoods for water, wifi and whatever cash they can scrape together.
If you really need the money or to keep occupied, you'll find a way.
>>68818581
Not everyone is rich/fit enough to join the army moron.
>>68822724
Yeah, and that's what most people do - they tend to favor a specific kind of job type over others, and would rather be unemployed for periods than enter another job that isn't their first choice by any means.
And that's fine. I've done it and most people do - very few people are so destitute that they can't wait for options that they'd prefer to open up in first world countries.
>>68821191
>Well there is a lot more profits being made by workers today then during the black plague time.
Workers get wages, businesses generate profits. A wage is a portion of the value produced by the worker in performing his work, profit is the share of that value which the owner apportions to himself. Wages are understood by employers as a cost, diminishing profits, while the amount of profit an owner gains is sometimes seen by workers as taken out of their wages, especially when there has been an absolute increase in total value produced in any venture.
In absolute terms, you may (emphasis on may, the Black Death was one of the largest labour shortages in European history) be right, but relative to the total amount of value they produced, not at all. A peasant gave the lord a certain amount of grain that he grew, and kept the rest, the employer gives the worker a certain amount of the value he (the worker) produced, and keeps the rest for himself.
The total amount of wealth produced by all labouring peasants after the Black Death was less, and technology was far less developed, but at that specific point in the medieval period, labourers, subsistence farmers, serfs, received the best deal relative to what was physically possible than at any other point in the same period.
>>68823357
Check your able-bodied privilege? Is this real life?
>>68808023
minimum wage
>>68808023
As innovation increases, so does unemployment. The only way that there could be 100% employment would be a return to a primitivist lifestyle.
The real question is really why does everyone have to find a job when it's simply impossible in a post-industrial economy?
>>68823394
Well I mean I don't have a lot of other starter options , like I said I have anxiety issues so that takes out pretty much every damn customer servicey job (like food and retail) I mean I have a college degree though (IT) I doubt that's really gonna help much. since I kind of feel like college didn't give me enough confidence/hands on focus. Too much of it was "listen to lecture" shit .
>>68823529
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying not everyone can join the army.
>>68823500
Oh true. They would have the left over wealth from the dead people who died in the plague. But wouldn't that cause overproduction which also causes unemployment?
>>68808715
really? you can't find a job? you've walked to your mall or local businesses and talked in person to the people there, asking for a job?
Average job application / acceptance rate for first few jobs is about 1000 applications to 1 acceptance.
>>68823529
thats actually the origin of the phrase 'check your privledge'
the original example was a businessman reserving a venue for a corporate event, but failed to make sure there was facilities and access for handicapped people. lo and behold, the CEO was a parapalegic
>>68823549
Doesn't minimum wage just cause them to jack the prices up? Not lay people off.
>>68823709
That's what I was thinking.
>>68823357
>Not everyone is rich/fit enough to join the army moron.
Does the Canadian Army have higher standards than the American one?
>>68823851
>1000/1 acceptance
That's why I can't find a job. Giving 1000 applications and interviews would take years.
A solution you can't possibly complain is too hard would be creating your own work. Go outside. Chop down a tree. Whittle some wood carvings. Sell them on Ebay and Etsy. There's a billion other jobs you could create for yourself without even leaving your home. When you think about actually going out and doing something the amount of jobs you can create becomes nearly infinite. The only time people unemployment becomes an issue is when people lose their entrepreneurial spirit. I started out selling shit on Ebay. Now I own multiple business that I run myself and I employ two people. Every day it's growing and I'm looking at hiring another person soon. All you have to do is think about what kind of service you can create that other people will pay for.
>>68824040
I think so. We have less people in our military so they are more selective. I know I wouldn't get in because of flat foot though.
>>68824068
then he gets slammed with a fine for stealing a tree
this isn't like an RPG where everything outside the town gate is free for all. EVERYTHING is owned
>>68823767
People generally prefer college degree holders to non-college degree holders with identical credentials otherwise. I've considered warehouse part time stuff in the past, but I always ended up in food since my preference for warehouse stuff wasn't that much stronger.
If your degree is in IT and you have hardware interests you can usually find something to do though, even if it's just working tech support or putting computers together and reselling them if you've got any capital yourself.
>>68824065
Took me 3 weeks. You're lazy and probably a poor worker.
>>68824065
I could give 1000 applications in 10 days. You clearly aren't trying hard enough.
>>68817971
>Wow, i felt pity for you, but you are actually dumb. Learn to read idiot~
Yeah, that's why he doesn't have a job. The weed excuse is some made up bullshit and you're a fucking fool for believing it. We have the highest prison population because we have more niggers. Full stop. That's literally the only reason.
>>68823919
That wouldn't surprise me if that were actually the case.
Because you can't just scale up the population exponentially while simultaneously developing automation technology and expect that society will just cope with it and automatically create fulfilling work, equal pay and a house with a white picket fence for an unlimited number of people forever.
>>68824194
Yeah but then they need to meet you in person and have an interview.
>>68824173
Because you live in Australia. One of the richest countries and has a very high GDP/Per Capita.
>>68823851
>you've walked to your mall or local businesses and talked in person to the people there, asking for a job?
As a business owner this isn't the right way to go about things. If someone walked into my place of business and asked about a job they're wasting my time.
And if they give me a resume then in the bin it goes.
>>68823798
Sure, but not everyone can necessarily do anything else either. Not everyone can work retail, for example, despite its simplicity due to qualities like being anxious or off-putting.
>>68824164
That single thing is representative of other things. Hes posting on the internet so clearly he has some money. He can buy something, build it, then sell it. Most people know someone who owns a tree they don't want. It's not that hard to get wood. Even if it's impossible to get a tree, buy some blank towels, some string, and a needle, and start embroidering. It's not that hard.
>>68824382
So you pick the best ones and spend all day interviewing. You will have to put some work in if you want a job.
>>68824166
Yeah I mean I have at least "something" that isn't completely against me like the degree and the fact that I don't really have a crime record.
>>68808023
>see thread where people cant find jobs
>want a part time job in addition to my full time
>sign up to become a mystery shopper
>get paid $600/mo to eat at restaurants when im not working
>mfw this thread
>>68824426
That's a good point.
>>68824537
What if they don't like me at the interview? Which they usually don't.
>>68824634
You are weak because you need to have an easy job.
>>68824634
Have you considered being a participant in medical research.
You know in Universities where they do all those tests on you and pay you a couple of grand?
You can easily get a job in Florida with a starting pay of $8 to $10 with no work experience.
What's the catch? Price of living is high because all they're building is luxury condos as people from the Northeast are moving down here as they have been cucked out of their homes.
>>68824881
Dam. There's always a catch!
>>68825011
Sell your body on the streets anon.
>>68824800
Then you keep interviewing until you find somewhere that does or you change your shitty attitude.
>>68825112
That's what I've been doing
>>68825086
LOL I'm a male.
>>68825153
>LOL I'm a male.
So?
>>68825153
>LOL I'm a male.
You sound like a Syrian Refugee who does not have a grasp on the English Language yet.
Go out there, make yourself all girly and get pounded by Tyrone in your ass.
He will either pay you with money or Crack but Crack is probably better because you can get it fro a high price in Canada.
Instead of asking "Why can't the government give everyone a job?" you should be asking "Why can't I get a job?" and work on that instead of being a retard and browsing an anonymous forum that will in no way help you whatsoever.
>>68825356
We're giving him top advice.
>>68825314
>make yourself all girly and get pounded by Tyrone in your ass.
What do you mean get all girly? Like a sex change? No I'd never do that. That's illegal and disgusting.
>>68824421
What type of business do you own? I bet I could make you interested in listening to more in 2 or 3 sentences.
>>68825482
Nah just start trappin' it up
>>68825437
Let him figure it out himself, you koala fucker. Pathetic anons like this do not deserve assistance.
>>68825356
Because the government has the power to give me a job. They could pass some legislation that gives everyone money or a job.
>>68825482
>What do you mean get all girly?
Become a trap.
>That's illegal and disgusting.
Not with Trudeau in power.
>mfw 20 years old, self employed running own business.
I mean it's not easy to find a job.. buuuuuuut there's more opportunities than ever.
>>68825763
That's a major risk
http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/
But rather than allowing a massive reduction of working hours to free the world’s population to pursue their own projects, pleasures, visions, and ideas, we have seen the ballooning not even so much of the “service” sector as of the administrative sector, up to and including the creation of whole new industries like financial services or telemarketing, or the unprecedented expansion of sectors like corporate law, academic and health administration, human resources, and public relations. And these numbers do not even reflect on all those people whose job is to provide administrative, technical, or security support for these industries, or for that matter the whole host of ancillary industries (dog-washers, all-night pizza deliverymen) that only exist because everyone else is spending so much of their time working in all the other ones.
>>68825763
How much money did your dad "loan" you?
>>68808023
>Why can't the government just give everyone a job? It's not a handout because we'd be giving more to the government in taxes and work then we'd take.
If the job wasn't a handout, someone would already be offering it. Government can only create bullshit overpaid jobs.
>>68825920
>Implying all businesses operate in the exact same way.
>Have stuff.
>Get stuff for dirt cheap.
>Sell stuff for maximum profit.
>Have passive income, get ass out of bed whenever I feel like it, and fulfill items.
>If it fails, I don't lose anything, still have inventory.
>Experiencing continuous growth.
git gud
>>68824872
Different anon here I've done it before.
It is incredibly boring and it generally doesn't pay that well.
>>68808023
Have you tried working for yourself?
Why is working for someone else your only option?
>>68826155
Sigh, really wish my business was product based. Selling anime crap to weeb fags would be so much better.
>>68826214
I was looking up that stuff on the Monash uni website and some of the studies pay you over 2k to participate.
>>68826081
No. They can build roads.
>>68826155
What? I don't understand that? How do you get stuff for cheap.
>>68808023
>Why can't the government just give everyone a job?
You've hit the nail on the head. There's a growing number of economists advocating for such an idea and plenty of literature on how it could be done.
Example, Australian economist Bill Mitchell: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=23719
>>68826389
Hmm, then it would appear South Australia is full of cheap fucks in addition to being totally irrelevant.
You can ALWAYS find a job if you are well connected or have well connected parents
>>68826510
That guy is smart then.
>>68825920
And thats why business owners make what they do. A lot of people like you aren't willing to take the risk of starting your own business.
Don't complain you can't find work if you aren't willing to do EVERYTHING possible to get work, including making the work yourself.
>>68826435
>What? I don't understand that? How do you get stuff for cheap.
We live in a society filled with thousands upon thousands of products.
There's no rule saying you have to pay top dollar for them.
>Get thing for cheap.
>Get thing undervalued because individual/business selling it doesn't recognize its value.
>Get thing for free, because of corporate waste.
etc etc
>>68826525
And what about donating sperm? How much does that pay?
>>68808023
It's because of the overpopulation of the world, specifically by Jamal and friends. All the mudskins come from their fucked up country and bring their lifestyle with them.
In their culture, they have to have 8 kids a year, because only 1 survives (normally), but then they come to white land and all 8 survive because modern medicine. Then there's a family of 10 willing to do shit for dirt cheap, so they take our jobs. The mexicans are notorious for this. Also, employers now want to hire you if you're muslim/mexican/black/anything other than white, and no one stops them. But still, white people are racist, even though I know for a fact that there are asian cunts here in Aus who only let other asians work for them. Not just family, but they won't accept you if you're white, and it's illegal, but they get away with it.
Also, bernie raising minimum wage in america is just going to result in half the workforce who work for min wage getting fired. We need Trump to become emperor of the world.
>>68808023
>Why can't the government just give everyone a job?
You fucking blew it right there, mate. 0/10.
>>68826696
Never done it before. I'd imagine you don't get anything, much like donating blood.
>>68826605
That's the biggest bullshit ever. My parents know a lot of rich people. They're not going to employ some 20 year old at their accounting firms just because they knew my parents.
>>68826510
The problem with this is once you have the gov't in charge of handing out jobs you are in communist land. And its been proven pretty well that communism only works on paper.
>>68808023
I'm not socialist but it's a byproduct of Capitalism. The more desirable jobs are harder to get. Their has to be an underclass to threaten the jobs of the working class. If everyone had a job making a million dollars than a million dollars is worthless.
>>68826696
You don't donate sperm for money. You do it to pass your mighty white DNA to thousands of kids.
>>68826823
Leave troll, we already have enough people on this board.
>>68826696
Not everyone is rich/genetically-capable enough to do that.
>>68808349
are you stupid? it's the same shit now
>>68826987
I've always been morbidly curious how they get you to do it at one of those places.
Is it just a room with a chair and a monitor with porn on loop 24/7?
>>68826926
Not 100% true. The underclass is a byproduct of having a diverse population with genetic and cultural differences separating them. You guarantee that there will be a gap in skills between some groups.
Countries like in Scandinavia that have had more homogeneous populations have much lower unemployment cause most people have the bear minimum skills to find an average job.
>>68824421
I can't imagine your business is doing well if your dipshit brain couldn't put two and two together and conclude that someone coming in person to your place of business means that they're confident and actually want the job. How else is someone supposed to stick out from 20 or 30 online applications?
>>68826922
Only "handing out" minimum wage jobs to the unemployed. It won't replace private sector jobs or bid wages up, just expand and contract as the private sector contracts or expands. So basically you have 5+% of workers employed, earning an income, and improving their communities, rather than that 5+% sitting idle and becoming more unemployable over time. Not to mention all the other social costs that we bear by tolerating unemployment.
>>68827230
I don't even know. I'd assume they put you in a room and give you a magazine or something.
>>68826435
>No. They can build roads.
What's important is how, where and at what cost those roads are built - if it's at a cost people are willing to pay for the particular road, private business already has incentive to take care of that. If it's at a cost higher than what anyone in their right mind would pay - then government intervention is needed.
capitalism is fucked and always creates huge disparities between the serfs and nobles. i find it funny pol conveniently ignores the glaringly obvious fact that there's not nearly enough jobs for everyone who wants one to have one. yes, there's millions of people who are willing to work at mcdonald's but can't because the openings aren't there. it's only getting worse with automation and buttfucking the poor by privatizing social security and medicare so i can't fucking wait for the day we all have a government job to dig a ditch and fill it with dirt.
>>68814088
This
>>68826696
you have to pass more exams and interviews than a normal job. and if after 6 months of donating twice a week your boys don't swim after being frozen, you're SOL
>>68808023
It's the vicious circle of economic depression, companies earn less and can afford less workers, less workers mean less sales and thus companies earning even less thus cutting even more jobs.
Plus don't compare the current job market to our fathers', the good old "Get out and get a job !" should tell you a lot about how easy they had it in their generation.
>>68827347
I have shit to do, I don't have time to talk to fuckheads that come in off the street.
I don't give a shit if they're confident. They need to fear me.
>>68827993
Then why do our fathers always tell us how hard it is to find a job? Why do our fathers always tell us "back when I was a boy we had it so easy, today youth have it rough!".
>>68823966
>Doesn't minimum wage just cause them to jack the prices up? Not lay people off.
true, they do but it's not a 1:1 ratio in inflation to the raise like conservatives would have you believe it's the worst thing in the world to happen. ex: if the minimum raises by a $1, businesses aren't going to hike everything up by a dollar because they'll still be competing with other businesses. at most, they'll raise prices a few cents. thus, as long as it's not a 1:1, the wage slave will always get an increase in purchasing power whenever the minimum wage goes up.
never mind that the 1% are constantly moving production to over sea sweatshops, investing heavily in automation like self driving cars, and inflation is a constant, the price of everything goes up regardless of the minimum wage, we're all eventually going to lose our job and a raise in the minimum wage isn't going to have negative consequences.
>>68828086
You sound egotistical. Do you have a small pecker or something?
>>68828086
Get off your high horse mate.
>>68828086
shift manager at a fast food restaurant sighted
>>68826922
>The problem with this is once you have the gov't in charge of handing out jobs you are in communist land. And its been proven pretty well that communism only works on paper.
completely false. "communist" ideas clearly worked with unprecedented success see the rise of hitler germany and FDR's new deal. there's absolutely nothing wrong for government to step in where business has catastrophically failed
>>68828670
>>68828752
>>68828937
Come on guys! It's not like I can afford to hire anyone anyway. Hell my business is almost going bankrupt.
Australia! THE LUCKY COUNTRY!
>>68808023
Because the US has close to a trillion dollar trade deficit. There's not enough money in America to employ everyone.
>>68810896
Because no one cares about your happiness. You are here to serve the Jews, goy, get over it. If you can't help them, then you must not reproduce.
>>68808023
You're not employed because you're Canadian and Canadians are notoriously beta cucks unable to take initiative. Your entire country needs to be eradicated.
>>68811277
A lot of the people in poverty in Brazil are assholes. Many of them don't even deserve a good life. There are some good people there, I'm sure, but they are drowned out by the gang violence.
