The problem with the average /pol/tard and the hipster-right follower
>"we are tribe animals"
>"collectivism is good"
>"it's okay to be a retard as long as you are fighting other retards"
>"determinism is true and is totally not a cancer to western society"
>thinks the only issues are racy shit
>"muh governance"
>"i'm a national socialist"
>"leftist tyranny is bad but right tyranny is good
Those who can not comprehend the Individual will contribute to the downfall of America.
I identify as a human and my ancestor comes from this very land you and I are living on stolen by the zionists who only care for themselves.
>>68796124
About time someone said this
This alt-right shit is cringy as fuck desu
>muh individualism
and where's that got us so far? a dying civilisation made up of dickless preening numales who are all exactly the same but each convinced they're special. I'll take the tyranny at this point if it whips people into shape
>>68796124
>muh individualism
Individualism is what led us to relativism and thus social constructivism.
>>68796124
>>68796453
>hello I support the civil rights act
If there was no civil rights act, we wouldn't have this issue with the alt right.
>>68796124
Fuck off contrarian faggot.
Strength through unity, unity through faith
>>68796254
So you're First Nation then?
>>68796124
Fuck off libertardian
>>68796600
>We should deny born-and-raised Americans their civil rights so that racist conservatives won't cry about it
How about go fuck yourself.
>>68796124
>>68796453
Holy shit retards, there is problems with the alt right but they are mostly not the ones you mentioned. Anyways this movement is much better than the alt left or left by far.
You can tell the people who think collectivism is bad have never seriously cheered for any team in a game, never felt religious unity with fellow believers, never felt the burning, instinctive desire to embrace a countryman in a time of great national joy or suffering. I feel sorry for you people.
True individualism results in the death of society because I don't want no damn baby mooching off my freedoms.
>>68796254
Zionists are simply part of the problem.
>>68796543
>a dying civilisation made up of dickless preening numales who are all exactly the same but each convinced they're special
Come back when you actually understand what individualism is.
>>68796600
i partly agree with you on that. Mostly because these civil rights acts reigns over businesses and infringes on their right on who to hire or who to not hire and who to serve and who to NOT serve.
>>68796832
>muh unity
meme argument that has been spouted by dictators to justify their tyranny.
>>68797304
There is a difference between voluntary collectivism and plain political collectivism which is a violation of the NAP. Cheering for a team or religion is more of a harmless recreational thing. Unless you advocate certain religions to run a government.
>>68797304
I'm one of those people and I agree with you.
Part of my brain doesn't get it.
It's like being colorblind, I can intellectually understand red or blue, but I can't see it or connect to it.
>>68797550
The welfare state is the exact opposite of individualism. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>68796453
I just pretend no one on this board actually believes all the alt right shit and that it's all just memes. Much less cringy that way.
>>68797632
I get the feeling there's a communication problem here. What do you define as 'political collectivism', which you think is bad?
>>68796453
^this
/pol/ died when moot forced gamergate here instead of on /v/ where the trash belongs. It just went further downhill from there.
>>68798025
He means it's bad when it's enforced.
>>68798186
And when there's forced association.
Sounds like something invented by whoever invented the phrase "alt-right" in the first place.
>Fringe groups arise in a response to a century of moral decay
>Hurr just act like it's the old days
fuckin brilliant OP
>>68796124
>right tyranny
>wants smaller government
>still tyranny
what
>>68796124
they are both authoritarian ideologies but at least the american right was always about society as the the means to control people, I prefer this a million times over the leftist state-authority approach.
>it's another 'sargon of cuckold viewer parrots his opinions on /pol/' episode
>>68796557
>Individualism is what led us to relativism
Then why are moral relativist always socialists?
Individualism preeches to universal moral principles.
you post makes no sens
>>68798848
>Then why are moral relativist always socialists?
because they fight conservatives? Their relativism always stops when it comes to their own holy cows.
>>68798709
Why are you calling me a pro-socialist supporter?
>>68798527
If you haven't lived under a rock, the right of today drifted away from that ideology for some unknown reason.
Identity politics is what created groups like us. we no longer follow the same rules anymore because things won't go back to the way they were. You mister tripfag are just another moralfag trying to hide behind a veil of altruism. america is already too far gone, doesn't mean we can't get payback
>>68797304
The alt-right uses the same mob mentality they criticize niggers for using. They're both scum, collectivists are cancer.
>>68797550
>welfare state
>individualist
Welfare is a collectivist policy because it says the individual suffering from higher taxes is ok because it "helps" the collective
>>68799254
>drifted away from that ideology for some unknown reason
Where have you been for the past 100 plus years? Democracy and equality failed. Your ideas were good and correct at some point, but not anymore.Things can NEVER go back to how they were before.
>>68796124
>cuckservative
>libtard
Are the alt right equivalent of 'mansplaining' etc.
>>68796124
Those who erroneously assume that non-whites are intelligent enough to be individuals need to give their heads a shake.
(asians excluded)
>>68799625
You have to admit cuckservative was lulz
libtard? meh teir
alt-right? lulz-killer teir
Not sure if leftist or cubanmisstresscrisis baby cryer
>>68796124
This. Their utopian view of white people also becomes quite grating, they should tour a Wal-mart sometime.
I also find they're impossible to discuss anything with, because similarly to SJWs if you disagree with in the slightest they'll accuse you of being a "worthless cuck" or threaten to ban you from their ethnostate. A lot of them are STEMfags/anime fans, I find it quite ironic these people posit themselves as the saviors of western civilization.
>>68799836
what are you some kind of bitter angry clinger?
the founders all agreed in a white society
>>68797304
The problem is forced collectivism.
Did someone told you that if you don't cheer for that team you're going to jail? Of course not, it all came to be spontaneously and voluntarily.
On the other hand, when the government comes and says "give me 5 months of your work so that we can pay the bolsas familia and line our pockets a bit, too", that's a different beast.
Alt-right is just as bad as sjw shit. I just want to be a nationalist senpai
>>68797905
Please fuck off back to /r/4chan
>>68799965
No, the founders if anything wanted an Anglo Saxon society, they didn't think in terms of "all europeans are white peopl" In that case if you can't trade your ancestry 100% back to the colonies and/or you aren't 100% Anglo-Saxon, you should leave America.
>>68799805
Thank you for proving my point. Your post has single handedly summed up my generalization of the "alt-right" memers
Nationalism and real individualism is the answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fISgKl8dB3M
prove me wrong
>identity politics
>collectivism
Sargon's buzzwords are absolutely shit tier and cannot compete with our own. I don't need to believe in "collectivism" to think my nation would function better if it were broadly homogeneous/white.
I wouldn't need to adopt "identity politics" if my nation were not under attack from genocidal marxoid maniacs and parasitic rent seeking racially aggrieved muds.
>>68799836
If I believed in pop psych I'd say it's because they're looking for some worth in themselves.
>>68799625
It's all the same shit anyway, they can define "cuck" to be anything at this point. It's the same insult now that "autist" was a year ago.
>>68799331
>The alt-right uses the same mob mentality they criticize niggers for using
>I hate blacks because they care about advancing their own people and want to create their own nation separate from whites
Said nobody ever.
>>68800120
They were mostly cool with Germans, French and Dutch migrants
>>68796124
/pol/ posters are the white kids who got brought up being fed the left's worldviews, but didn't swallow the self-hate parts. Nazism is the natural evolution of that. There's going to be more of them. An american downfall is inevitable at this point. We'll need to experience tyranny in full in this country before anyone actually feels like doing anything about it.
>>68800323
But muh principles goy
>>68797632
>>68796600
If the Civil Rights Act or similar legislation never passed, there's a solid chance we would have had organized black armed uprisings.
The Civil Rights Act appeased black people by giving them the prospect of careers, equal treatment under the law, and education. Complain all you want about blacks today-- if they remained second-class citizens under Jim Crowe, a dead MLK would have killed all feelings of hope for nonviolent protest.
>collectivism is good
Where do you see people post that? Fucking Sargon of cuckan.
>>68799608
Pick a hard target and strike then, coward.
Young obviously convinced yourself the people will embrace it!
>>68796124
>lolbertarians
Please get cucked and die already you fucking memesters
>>68796124
You're just a faggot who watched the Sargon video.
You don't even know what alt-right is. All you know is the strawman that Sargon of Akkad created.
>>68800021
We can call it the Patriot party if you want to play leftist semantic word games, but I'm fine with American Nationalist Party or Trump Nationalist Taxed Enough Already Party.
>>68800439
http://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2008/02/ben-franklin-on.html
>>68800120
Then why were scots irish, Irish, jews, spaniards and other whites already part of the country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon
this
>>68796124
>Muh individualism
>I matter
This train of thought is what is contributing to the West's downfall. People (feminists, BLM, etc) put themselves ahead of the overall good of the community and state.
Teaching people to put themselves ahead of the greater good destroys society.
>>68800599
>we would have had organized black armed uprisings
At most we've had gotten the LA riots, which he got anyway.
Why do people pretend segregation was oppression? It's just white people wanting to keep their communities safe.
Blacks had their own communities.
>>68796124
>Libertarian
>Supports gay marriage, feminism, racial equality, open borders with Mexico, and as many Muslims as we can get our hands on
No thnx
>>68800869
white society is what matters
autistic individualism is for cucks
>>68800677
this desu
>>68800439
These people were few and far between. The founders never thought of a mass immigration of people from all over Europe that would diminish the Anglo Saxon character of the US.
>>68796124
>>"we are tribe animals"
humans are tribalistic you fucking retard. its a product of evolution. you can observe tribal behavior in young children, we behave within group dynamics.
even your fucking dog is tribalisctic.
stop denying science just because it conflicts with your worldview. niggers are stupid and its because of their shitty genetics.
>>68800753
That's hella gay. Traditionalists are sad kids who don't fit in, so they cling to nostalgia for a time they never lived in to make themselves feel smart and important.
>>68799331
Except there is a reason they hold that mentality. In times of desperation, that's simply what people revert to because it's a strong outlook. The only way you can deviate to a weaker, individual, pacifist outlook is by sustaining it with a colossal buffer of wealth.
Sure, the right is retarded for attaching hypocritical moral connotations, but at the end of the day a unified group of people with a sense of love and duty to the collective will outlast any other group regardless of wealth or technological advancement.
A group of people coming together and agreeing with each other is the most powerful thing in the known universe.
>>68800607
No one has to say collectivism.
"Collectivism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the significance of groups—their identities, goals, rights, outcomes, etc.—and tends to analyze issues in those terms."
>>68800599
>blacks
>organized
>>68801007
no they weren't
and anyone could immigrate to the US as long as they were white
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Americans#17th_to_mid-19th_century
Please continue with your cuck narrative though it's entertaining.
>>68796124
The most cringeworthy part of Sargon's video was at the end when he puts up the words used by the alt-right and their meaning, two of which being cuck and cuckservative, to demean them, rich coming from Sargon of all people. Be willingly cuck but get mad at other people for calling him that.
>>68800753
Traditionalism is perfectly compatible with anarcho-capitalism since in this system law is customary.
>>68801069
Civil Rights was organized by jews in order to punish whites for not wanting to be raped and murdered by black criminals
The founding fathers envisioned Libertarian principles for a European nation with a white European electorate....we need alt right to restore western civilization
the jew attacks!
collectivism for the powerful
atomisation for everyone else
anyone who panders for the individual is pandering for the powerful jew.
>>68801245
I'm not an anarcho, but how is government compatible with no government?
>>68799492
>>68797799
He said nothing about welfare, retards. The point is that having a child goes against being an individualist since you're giving time and money to raise leeches.
>>68797304
You can tell that people who think collectivism is good have never been part of one long enough to see the cracks, the glaring flaws that replace that ecstasy of unity with not only distrust of those around you but of yourself and the other things you hold dear. Unless of course you cling to your previous ignorance like so many do.
>>68801136
Pointing out lots of lowland scots strait from the ulster plantations moved into Appalachia does not discount anons claim.
this you, op?
>>68800753
That.
>>68801024
>That's hella gay. Traditionalists are sad kids who don't fit in, so they cling to nostalgia for a time they never lived in to make themselves feel smart and important.
This is the actual liberal response, unfortunately, rather than "Please don't hurt me great one, I promise to stop being degenerate!"
>>68800869
>le greater good
A meme argument that has been rebutted countless of times.
>>68800919
>gay marriage
not something to be against unless it forces preachers to do their ceremonies on unwanted customers. The government has no need to be involved with marriages. The only thing they need to worry about is the paperwork.
>feminism
exaggerated. Libertarians do not support feminsim. Feminsim is a flawed tribalistic ideology that only panders to the female gender which is everything that libertarians are against. AN unfortunate side effect of the "rebellion trend".
>racial equality
In what context?
>open borders
No. Libertarians support property rights
>muslim
islam is a statist ideology
>>68801055
No one is saying the alt-right has no reason to be upset. The liberal media and mainstream society has been shitting on whites for decades now, but that doesn't mean you resort to their shit.
>A group of people coming together and agreeing with each other is the most powerful thing in the known universe.
You've just described individualism though. If individuals come together and agree, then how is it not individualist? Collectivism is sacrificing the individual for the collective. Collectivism is where people do not agree with each other but are coerced into doing such actions.
>>68800914
>At most we've had gotten the LA riots
Oh please. A prolonged Jim Crowe would have given the Black Panthers, the Naiton of Islam, and Muslim Mosque, Inc a reason to go down South to use their guns. Black people would have lost faith in the inert Christian nonviolent movement and embraced direct revolution.
>Why do people pretend segregation was oppression? It's just white people wanting to keep their communities safe.
I think it's cute you're pretending that preventing citizens from exercising their civil liberties isn't oppression.
>>68801503
>Voluntarily have a child
>Voluntarily paying for a child
I don't see the problem.
>>68796124
>tyranny
Tyranny: rule by one powerful dictator, a tyrant.
(Tyrant: a ruler who has seized power without legal right).
Where
Many states, particularly in the 6th century BC, were ruled by a tyrant.
What?
Took power by force.
Usually of noble birth but often had support of the poor.
Unlike a monarchy, power not inherited
Unlike modern meaning of tyranny, was not always a brutal and oppressive rule e.g. Pisistratus' rule in Athens.
Details
First appeared in Argos or Corinth, then Sicyon, Megara, Mytilene and
Miletus.
Sparta avoided tyranny, probably because of the need for unity amongst citizens against helots.
In Athens, Pisistratus became tyrant 3 times, starting c.560 BC.
In Corinth under the Kypselidai tyranny, the city became dominant in pottery production and export, art and trade.
>>68796453
>>68796124
I agree competely.
too bad the republicans are even worse
>"we are tribe animals"
But we are.
>"collectivism is good"
For the most part it is, a total lack of collectivism results in Somalian anarchy.
>"it's okay to be a retard as long as you are fighting other retards"
What is this even referring to?
>"determinism is true and is totally not a cancer to western society"
All events are influenced by influences any single man cannot control, this is not up to debate. But I've seen free will vs determinism debated here many times.
>thinks the only issues are racy shit
That's not true at all unless you have confirmation bias and are just looking for those threads.
>"muh governance"
What is this implying?
>"i'm a national socialist"
Socialism is extremely popular, nationalism is very efficient and good for a nation's people. Why shouldn't someone with socialist tendencies who is also a nationalist call Themselves a national socialist?
>"leftist tyranny is bad but right tyranny is good
Sorry but this is a problem with humanity not with any specific ideology, man wants things his way. If man can get his way and stop others from getting a say then he'll do just that.
Anarchists want this, fascists want this, leftists want this, rightists, atheists, religious and so on and so forth.
Everyone (in general usually) wants everyone else to follow what they think is right.
Let's talk about this fucking asshole.
>saw the bandwagon that was GamerGate
>capitalized on it and became internet famous
>got a big 4chan and Reddit following
>the followers are mostly right wing and libertarian, but Sargon is a die-hard liberal
>grows to hate his own fan base
>sees Donald Trump winning and his fans loving it
>always whines in his videos about Trump without any arguments, just mentions him while saying ''Donald Trump is a buffoon, he's a buffoon'' because that way he doesn't have to come up with arguments
>realizes a lot of his followers are alt-right
>starts interviewing and probing the lesser known least intelligent self-identified alt-right people
>bullies them since they're betas and can't defend their position
>makes a video slandering alt-right, making ridiculous claims that just make no sense like saying we're just like SJW feminists who are afraid of different opinions
>his fans come to /pol/ to shitpost
Divide and conquer. I can't believe some of you idiots fall for it.
There is no single ''alt-right''. If you're on the right and you hate the establishment right wingers then you are alt-right. That's all it means.
Sargon is so dishonest and terrible that even Wikipedia is more honest about what alt-right is. Even fucking Wikipedia can be more honest than the asshole.
>>68801909
>not something to be against unless it forces preachers to do their ceremonies on unwanted customers. The government has no need to be involved with marriages. The only thing they need to worry about is the paperwork.
And that's why Libertarianism is a philosophy of materialistic cucks
Homosexuality is a contagious mental illness which contributes to the death of civilizations.
>>68801909
>Libertarian doesn't believe in the greater good.
Color me shocked. Daily reminder that selfish libertarians need to be purged from society.
>>68801770
It disproves it exactly
Founders were fine with whites and always were.
Defending individual rights against the petty tyrannies of social institutions has always been the preferred method for Power to expand at the expense of civil society.
Libertarians are the auxiliary lines of communism.
>>68799836
ass hurt shit skin detected
>>68802215
This anon is right. I don't like the alt right, but Sargon is a fucking retard. This was made even more evident by his support of Bernie Sanders.
>>68802215
Just look at what Wikipedia says. There's some bias here, but it's at least 95% accurate. I like this.
Wikipedia is a liberal site run by feminists, and they can be more objective than Sargon of Akkad. What the fuck?
''The alt-right (sometimes referred to as alt-conservatism) is an umbrella term for the designation of right-wing ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the politics of the United States.[1][2][3] The alt-right has been described as a movement unified by support for Donald Trump,[1][4][5] opposition to multiculturalism and immigration, and rejection of egalitarianism.[1][6] The alt-right is said to include beliefs such as neoreaction, monarchism, nativism, populism, national capitalism, identitarianism, white nationalism, anti-Semitism, racialism, white supremacism and American secessionism.[1][2][7] The term appeared more frequently after it was used by Richard Spencer's website Alternative Right in 2010, gained prominence in 2015 after being identified as a movement by critics, and was criticized by anti-Trump Republican strategist Rick Wilson in 2016 on MSNBC.[1][4][8] The alt-right is demographically younger than mainstream conservatism.[1][4][5]''
>>68796124
>alt-right
some NEETs trolling the internet with dank memes, that ironically are being taken seriously.
>>68802417
What the hell is all that bullshit? I thought we were old white kissless virgins who fapped to chinkoid cartoons.
>>68800276
you do know that the only reason back then for the push of 'physical education' was so that our nations male youth were conditioned well enough for immediate war right?
Cry more degenerate ancaps and lolbertarians.
What the fuck do you people even do except upload YouTube videos of you shouting at police officers and defend billionaire companies on Reddit
Go suck Ayn Rands cunt
the alt-right is easy to understand...we are a generation of voters disenfranchised by both young earth creationist retards and people stupid enough to be sociology majors.
>>68801491
The traditionalist part of that image says that the constitution, or better said the law, should be tailored to the nation's population, customs, religion, etc.
That's how an anarcho-capitalist law system would work. It would be customary, and would adapt to the current socioeconomic conditions that the people using that law face.
For example, there is a book on this very subject which I don't remember the name, which gave the example, among many, of anarchic law systems, one of them being the one used by a tribe of pygmies, I believe.
With no state, the people organized in tribes, each tribe having a charismatic "leader" that supplied the law and solved disputes. If people were dissatisfied with how this arbitrator solved the disputes, they simply joined another tribe/leader.
Punishments given were a result of custom that was transmitted to future generations, but which adapted to market forces. Thus, before there was a shortage of women for brides, the punishment of adultery was the death penalty. When the men started to feel the shortage of women, the arbitrators changed the punishment to some hits in the head or something like that.
>>68796124
Hate the playa not the game nigga
>>68802062
>Oh please. A prolonged Jim Crowe would have given the Black Panthers, the Naiton of Islam, and Muslim Mosque, Inc a reason to go down South to use their guns. Black people would have lost faith in the inert Christian nonviolent movement and embraced direct revolution.
Good, because we would've wiped them out in the 1960s.
>I think it's cute you're pretending that preventing citizens from exercising their civil liberties isn't oppression.
How is it not collectivist and statist for a central authority to force the individual to associate with other individuals with whom he does not wish to associate?
Forcing businesses, schools, and neighborhoods to integrate is directly and blatantly opposed to individual rights and free-market principles.
But libertarians can't accept that fact, because it would be racist. Just like this guy's pic: >>68800753
your minds are still tightly wrapped in the chains of crypto-marxist education.
>>68801818
I think it's silly that someone who gets "redpilled" and says they are sick of being "cucked by the jews" would willingly get "cucked" by aristocrats instead.
But here's the hilarious thing. These sad Traditionalists don't think they'll be the serfs and peasants with no civil liberties and no chance for advancement. They actually think they'll be the fancy-free aristocrats who get to lie around, put on makeup, and suck each other's dicks all day.
>>68802218
>And that's why Libertarianism is a philosophy of materialistic cucks
non-argument
>Homosexuality is a contagious mental illness which contributes to the death of civilizations.
Sexuality does not infringe on your liberties. Unless it's rape or any other violation of NAP
>>68802215
Sargon actually wants Trump to be president now...
>>68802339
wtf is this? :D
>>68802215
>makes a video slandering alt-right, making ridiculous claims that just make no sense like saying we're just like SJW feminists who are afraid of different opinions
>his fans come to /pol/ to shitpost
I love how they're just parroting what he said in his videos, "Muh SJWs" "Muh other side of the same coin"
>>68802339
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!?
>>68802215
Sarcoon of Mossad and his fanboys are some of the biggest liberal fedora-tipping faggots I have ever seen. I'd rather be around alt-righters and tumblr SJW's than them.
>>68802341
Why don't you like alt-right? What have we ever done to you?
We're just Right wingers who don't like the establishment and think they don't represent us. We're just alternative.
We live in weird fucking times. We live in a times where I can unironically say that we on the alt-right are just rebels. We're simply rebelling against the establishment.
>>68799836
>Their utopian view of white people also becomes quite grating, they should tour a Wal-mart sometime.
If you think Walmart is bad, you should try going anywhere in the third world. Ever.
>>68802258
No, the claim was that the founders wanted people from the same cultural/philosophical traditions as themselves. You proved nothing by pointing out large numbers of scotch irish immigration for they fall within that same cultural/philosophical grouping.
Had the founders welcomed massed immigration from totalitarian societies, russians for example, then you would have a case.
>>68796124
>>"we are tribe animals"
That's true though. The problem is that Europeans have convinced themselves that this intrinsic facet of human nature is immoral despite that fact that literally every single group barring Europeans has a strong in-group preference.
Individualism can only work in an all-white society.
>>68802709
>what is tyranny of the majority
>>68802797
>Sexuality does not infringe on your liberties. Unless it's rape or any other violation of NAP
And that's why I reject libertarianism. You are fanatically devoted to social cancers. In my opinion, it is in my interest to live in a healthy and civilized and society, and not a degenerate hellhole. Liberties are irrelevant
>>68796453
IDENTITY POLITICS IS OK WHEN WE DO IT GUYS BECUZ RACE = CULTURE AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE BEST AND HAVE HIGHEST IQ..WAIT
>>68802884
>>68802964
I don't know someone posted it on /b a long ass time ago. It looks like a human being got roasted but I don't actually know if that's what it is.
>>68802711
The thing most people don't understand about traditional society, because they've been brainwashed by far-left propaganda, is that it wasn't merely a division between "aristocrats" and "serfs". There was a myriad of social institutions such as all kinds of guilds, municipalities, clans, that were the basis for the political, cultural, social and economical life of common men.
And even serfs, outside of places like Russia (which wasn't aristocratic as much as it was a despostic shithole since Ivan the Terrible crushed Novgorod anyway), had recognized rights.
Really, libertarians should stop embarassing themselves and start reading some serious literature, like Bertrand de Jouvenel, Jaime Guzmán and Juan Vázques de Mella to understand the relationships between civil society and the central government, and how libertarianism, liberalism and individualism actually help the government to expand because of their social and cultural ideas.
>>68803140
>>68802183
>>68801009
"we are tribe animals" is just another way of saying "it's le natural so its okay XD". Stop falling for determinist propaganda
>>68796124
>"we are tribe animals"
Social animals.
>"collectivism is good"
It is. Individualism is also good but too much is being divided. And being divided without any form of allegiance is exactly what they (or You *nose*) want.
Marriage is Collectivism.
Family is Collectivism.
Nationalism is Collectivism.
Society is Collectivism.
Economy is Collectivism.
All forms of individualism eventually develops into a collectivist idea (because we are social animals). Even greed and/or "selfishness". No single society "individualist" or "collectivist" has ever survived on Total Anarchy, because societies demand a collective effort to even classify as a SOCiety. How you lolbetarians don't get this is beyond me, you literally circle jerk around nonsense.
>"it's okay to be a retard as long as you are fighting other retards"
Most people are retards, without there being retards how do you know you're not one? It's not about the behavior, it's about the end result. Sharia or Freedom, the way there isn't important. What's important is what you choose.
>"determinism is true and is totally not a cancer to western society"
"We don't know what happens so let's not", are you Swedish or are you just trolling?
>thinks the only issues are racy shit
Nope, but it holds a big significance.
>"muh governance"
As opposed to "muh lawless somalian wasteland"? Mad Max was just a movie, and if it would happen you wouldn't be the protagonist. Grow up.
>"i'm a national socialist"
As opposed to "I'm a lolbetarian wannabe philosopher who tries to reconstruct basic biological thought patterns like a raging feminist"? Pic Related.
>"leftist tyranny is bad but right tyranny is good
Exactly. All people desire Tyranny. That's why the Joker is the bad guy and Batman the Fascist saves the day. Without order there's no meaning to anything, without your comfy secure life situation you wouldn't have time to philosophize about retarded shit, you'd be busy looking for food and/or getting shot.
>>68803223
Fucking hell lad, could you be any more retarded?
>>68803220
Under libertarianism, you could create your "non-degenerate" communities with like-minded individuals. Maybe even profit from it. The right of admission is a part of property rights.
>>68802709
>How is it not collectivist and statist for a central authority to force the individual to associate with other individuals with whom he does not wish to associate?
>Forcing businesses, schools, and neighborhoods to integrate is directly and blatantly opposed to individual rights and free-market principles.
The state's most fundamental role is to secure the rights of one person from the abuses of another. If a minority population exists as second-class citizens, they will inevitably be vulnerable a the tyrannous majority.
You saw this in the South during Jim Crowe. In order for the rights of the minority to be secured, the majority's power must be limited.
>>68796124
>humans aren't tribe animals
>collectivism is somehow bad because reasons
>Things no one has said
>>68803034
they were always fine with whites and those that accepted Anglo culture
time to stop living in denial.
>>68802709
>Talks shit about libertarians
>Posts a picture of a libertarian
xdd
Actual libertarians don't support businesses being forced by the government to provide services if they don't want to, for any reason. Most companies that would do that would get boycotted to hell anyways.
>>68803012
They're not really liberals. They've been simply tricked by Sargon into thinking the alt-right is his strawman.
He deletes all comments on his videos that point out his logical fallacies. People who watch his videos take what he says for granted and when they check the comments there's no one who disagrees.
Sargon deletes comments that criticize him, but he keeps up comments that call him a cuck and a nigger. That's what his fans think the alt-right is.
>>68803490
libertarians would rather be raped to death by blacks than admit it's better to live in a white society.
>>68802711
Painfully common "response" to any non- or anti-Democratic political philosophy. I live in a glorious equality-riddled democratic republic now, and I wield just as much political power as a 12th-century English freeman. Arguably less, because revolts were slightly easier and much more common in those days.
>>68803220
>"liberties are irrelevant"
-2016 American
I'm afraid that this is the end folks. If we continue to allow these "people" to vote then you are digging yourself a grave.
>>68803440
>Marriage is Collectivism.
>Family is Collectivism.
>Nationalism is Collectivism.
>Society is Collectivism.
>Economy is Collectivism.
I think you're conflating definitions Sweden anon. I shouldn't have to tell you what your collectivist nanny state is doing to your shitty economy
>>68803349
come on now serfs and average joes barely had any rights at all. Seriously look at America throughout the 19th and early 20th century before the abolition of child labor and formation of unions. People were treated as fucking for all intents and purposes of modern life, slaves. And even earlier periods the average serf did not fucking live well it's fantasy to think so
>>68802819
It's not that he wants Trump. He simply doesn't want Hilary.
Although he's a liberal he hates feminists.
He still talks shit about Trump all the time without any arguments.
>>68803223
There is literally nothing wrong with identity politics
>>68803440
>you'd be busy looking for food and/or getting shot
sounds like average day in USA to me
>>68796124
If your individualism was so powerful, how come your societies are so easily subverted?
>>68803510
see>>68800729
Franklin was always a good read
>>68803349
>The thing most people don't understand about traditional society, because they've been brainwashed by far-left propaganda, is that it wasn't merely a division between "aristocrats" and "serfs". There was a myriad of social institutions such as all kinds of guilds, municipalities, clans, that were the basis for the political, cultural, social and economical life of common men.
I don't care how many divisions there are. Endowing rights based on heredity is, at its core, unjust and unfree. And I'm pretty sure Traditionalists would feel the same way if they felt an Aristocrat's foot on their neck.
>>68803440
Molly is pretty based compared to all of these wannabe Sargons ITT
>>68803783
>serfs and average joes barely had any rights at all
The thing about feudalism is that it varied across the regions. In some parts of Europe, peasants had a lot of rights, in others not much.
That's why in the Basque Country, Southern Italy and Western France peasants actually fought against the abolition of feudalism, for example.
>>68803520
Yes, a libertarian espousing ideas which you and/or your compatriots ITT have been viciously disputing. You're as close-minded and fanatical as communists.
>>68803499
So, "Individualism über alles, except in the case of the racially inferior, where lack of state-enforced equality is tyranny."
>>68803928
Franklin didn't control immigration policy
Here was the immigration policy
>Established the rules for naturalized citizenship, as per Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, but placed no restrictions on immigration. Citizenship was limited to white persons, with no other restriction on non-whites.
please stop living in denial.
>>68803557
>libertarians would rather be raped to death by blacks
You're actually right but you're missing an important fact.
Freedom supporters would rather be ATTEMPTED to be raped to death by a nigger only to unload a fucking clip into the attacker's head before it can even do anything.
>What is self-defense?
>what is 2A?
>>68803993
Again, you are repeating left-wing propaganda. "Aristocratic foot on your neck" didn't exist.
>>68799805
Who is this mother/daughter twincist dream duo?
>>68803438
Good luck curtailing the in-group preference of Blacks or Arabs. Hey, perhaps when our countries are majority Muslim the religion will be reformed and they'll all be secular individualists like us. :^)
>>68803223
>>68803836
>I will vote for this guy because he is black, we need a black president
Identity politics
>I will vote for this guy because he will combat forced immigration that brings crime, decreases the average national IQ, brings more mouths to feed with welfare etc
Not identify politics
Learn what words mean.
Also so what if some alt-right people like identity politics? Alt-right isn't a single group, people are free to have their opinions.
>>68803604
I want you to stand in the middle of the city square and call the queen a whore. Call the House of Lords a bunch of pansies.
What will happen to you will be very different from what would have happened to a 12th century "freeman"
>>68804274
>you must let in millions of blacks, so they can try to rape you it's ok though since you can take a chance at defending yourself when they try to kill you
nice """"logic""""""""
>>68803030
You could also visit Eastern Europe which is full of drug use, depression, suicide, and violence, and is homogeneous because no one wants to immigrate to poor countries. But no, I'm sure white people are just perfect angelic creatures who can do no wrong in your eyes.
>>68804419
>I want you to stand in the middle of the city square and call the queen a whore. Call the House of Lords a bunch of pansies.
Now try calling black people niggers and Muslim "filthy Pakis".
>>68796124
Nationalist Libertarianism is the solution. The individuals rights are paramount...only if they are US citizens.. Fuck everyone else, we do whats best for US.
>>68804184
The rights of the few must be guaranteed against the interests and abuses of the many. If you don't have that, you don't have liberal democracy.
>>68803734
>If we continue to allow these "people" to vote then you are digging yourself a grave.
Funny, I say the exact same thing about blacks, hispanics, women, atheists, and gays every day
What's that Nietzsche quote about those who hunt dragons?
>>68796124
If we behave like those on the other side, then we are the other side. Instead of changing the world, all we'll achieve is a reflection of the one we want to destroy.
Who else cringed?
>>68803781
Is none of those collectivist ideas? Are all of those based around individualism? They are all based around the "liberal" idea of a "common good". The end goal of all those ideas are to create a society which is good for all. How isn't that collectivism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKERC6F7mSM
> I shouldn't have to tell you what your collectivist nanny state is doing to your shitty economy
The collectivist nanny state in which i live in was formed around the wrong ideals. The German collectivist nanny state of 1930-1945 had the right idea. The one you destroyed so the kikes could buy you.
Why don't you move to Somalia? It's the perfect individualist state. They don't even have a military.. so you can be free from anything! Give it a try.
>>68804041
His followers aren't contributing to anything. And neither is he (besides saying pretty stuff). People chase "freedom" instead of trying to perform regime changes. This is the reason the individualist male is intellectually neutered and will be extinct coming 2100.
>>68796124
Well said anon.
>>68796937
1/64'th Cherokee here, pay reparations plz
>>68803440
>le somalia argument XDXDXD
Did you know that Somalia is an islamist country?
>>68804331
Of course it did. What do you think happens when a hereditary ruling class has a say in government, and you don't.
>>68802884
>>68803298
If i remember correctly, it is actually bread. It was an art piece.
>>68804457
50 years of communism do this to a people. Communism that libertarians are helping to bring to the United States and the rest of the Western world.
Pic related. The problem with you is that you keep circlejerking to your libertarian authors so you don't know what your enemies are planning. Marxists very openly state that they will use the fight for "individual rights" to build a coalition behind revolutionary politics, that's why you have most women, gays, blacks and non-whites nowadays being rabid leftists, and they were helped by libertarians who didn't know any better.
Fuck your NAP, we need a Pinochet to throw leftists out of helicopters, and the first leftists to be throw will be you libercucks.
>>68804184
>implying
Libertarianism and nationalism are not mutually exclusive. Most libertarians here are pretty nationalistic, just not to the extent and autism of the alt-right.
>>68804787
Hong Kong isn't exactly a free market paradise.
>>68804438
Stop being irrational and listen to what other people have to say for once, retard.
You're not the first person to bring up this topic.
From what I understand the argument is that if you remove the welfare state these people are not going to come into your country.
The reason black people from Somali are coming into America and Europe is because there's welfare that helps them survive.
If you remove the welfare state they can't effectively move into Murica and Europe. They would die from hunger or get killed attempting to steal something.
I am not a libertarian, so I can't really talk about this shit. Just chill, aspie. Let people express their point of view. You might learn something.
>>68800919
I would consider myself a libertarian. I support gay marriage because it literally has no effect on me. I think feminism is ridiculous in western society. Im for racial equality but that means no more special privileges for minorities. And i think muslim immigration is a huge problem in the west. I am very pro second amendment.The only opinion i have that is really statist is that i think corporations need to be more responsible with the environment.
>>68804419
I want you to stand in a public place in London and quote the wrong Winston Churchill speech.
What will happen to you will be very different from what would have happened to a 12th century "freeman" (also I like your use of quote-marks, implying you don't even understand that Freemen/Burgers constituted a "fourth estate" distinct from Serfs, Clergymen, and Aristos)
>>68804599
And I reject the notion that "Liberal Democracy" is inherently desirable. America's founding fathers agreed with me, that's why they instituted a Democratic Republic with an extremely limited franchise.
>>68804787
>Free Market
What does this have to do with anything. You think the "Free Market" in Hong Kong isn't regulated even slightly? Kek
Somalia is the freest country ever!
>>68796124
Isn't the "alt-right" extreme individualism?
>>68804599
We don't want liberal democracy you fag. It's awful.
>>68804723
I've never seen or heard of the latter two terms desu senpai
>>68804787
Somalia is anarchy, there is no functioning state.
>>68804953
So you want whites to be mass murdered by africans?
pretty sad tb-h
>>68804723
I literally cannot believe that Sargon thinks we don't like cuckservatives because they "betray traditional conservative principles" I mean could he have gotten it ANY fucking wronger than that? It blows my mind how captured by memes he is. He doesn't understand that we all believe Genes > Memes.
THEY'LL CALL YOU NAZIS
JUST LIKE THE SJWS
>>68805148
No. It's separation from the mainstream right. That's why it's called ALTERNATIVE right.
There should be alternative-left too. I'd fully support it.
>>68804813
>What do you think happens when a hereditary ruling class has a say in government
They curb the excesses of the central government.
Just look at Russian history. What happened once they got rid of the nobility. Dekulakization happened, the total enslavement of the peasantry to the central government.
The whole "aristocrats are evil oppressors" meme is not unlike "white people are the devil", it's left-wing propaganda, but because it's much older, it's accepted as truth nowadays. But people at the time when aristocracy had power thought differently, and constantly fought with them against the central government. All medieval peasant rebellions, for example, were against centralizing kings, and even in 18th century France, when the aristocracy had lost all it's power at the expense of absolute monarchy, they were still seen as defenders of freedom in the eyes of the common people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlement
>Turgot's reforms were unpopular among the commoners as well, who saw the parlements as their best defense against the power of the monarchy.
>>68805193
It's not anarchy
it's run by Sharia law local courts, far worse than real anarchy.
>>68796124
SUUURRREEE
>>68805193
According to an old infograph that use to be posted here Somalia improved after its state collapsed.
>>68805303
Can you even read or are you here to shitpost?
If you want to shitpost just go to /v/.
>>68804457
I'd honestly still rather live in Bulgaria or Belorussia than Syria, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Guatemala, Bolivia, Columbia, Burma, Vietnam, or Sri Lanka
>>68805187
>he doesn't poz any neg holes
>he doesn't listen to The Daily Shoah or the Merchant Minutes at least
confirmed for not even /pol/ in the slightest
>>68805148
It's identity politics. Once a name can be applied to a given group and it catches on, then the actual meaning of that group becomes irrelevant, and what happens instead is that people argue over the labels. In this way, the target group can be marginalized and subverted, and everbody outside of the target group can more easily be trained whom to blame.
That's about all need to know about it.
>>68805148
What makes you think that? It's basically European racial collectivism as a response to non-white (mostly Islamic) ethno-religious collectivism. I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can only have individualism/Libertarianism in an all-white society - only then is it desirable.
Way to strawman..
>>68805344
oh nooooo!!!
>Being this much of a fucking shill.
>>68805481
what mass ideological movement isn't "identity politics"
>>68804900
>Communism that libertarians are helping to bring to the United States and the rest of the Western world.
Someone remind me what the average IQ of Brazil is so I can understand why this faggot thinks this way.
>>68805015
>Somalia is the freest country ever!
It's also the lowest IQ state ever and is controlled by sharia law.
>>68805012
>I want you to stand in a public place in London and quote the wrong Winston Churchill speech.
Fair enough point.
>And I reject the notion that "Liberal Democracy" is inherently desirable. America's founding fathers agreed with me, that's why they instituted a Democratic Republic with an extremely limited franchise.
They were slave-holding hypocrites and cowards clutching their pearls in fear of the poor.
>>68805349
The mainstream right is nationalistic and militaristic, so collectivist, that's why the "alt-right" went alt. It's not like the mainstream left is much more individualistic, their solution to everything is a federal mandate.
>>68805193
>tfw those fucking statists will always prevent me from owning recreational nukes
>>68805451
I mean I'm aware of fags intentionally getting AIDS, but I've never seen "Poz" in use the way he's defining it
And never heard "echo" as code for jew, maybe because I no longer discuss politics in places where I'm not allowed to simply use the term "jew"
>>68805168
It's pretty good for me!
>>68805451
This tbqh
>>68804253
Yeah, but who was white and who was not was always flexible. Indians(from India) were once classified as a court ruling. Irish were also once considered nonwhite
>>68796124
Society is shaped by individuals who arise as leaders. Not everyone is a leader, and if everyone tries to be an individual there is no social cohesion and in fact, nothing resembling a society at all.
"Great" you might say "We're better off as a collection of individuals than as a society" but it's society functioning as a unit that drives civilisation forward, and most people DON'T become individuals, they still just fall in with the crowd mentality. Except now the masses aren't being put to use for any grand ideas, just to turn a profit. Look how society has fucking stagnated since individualistic consumer capitalism became the norm. We don't pursue great goals or noble ideals any more. If we have no collective identity, we stop working for the collective good of humanity.
>>68796124
>leftist tyranny is bad but right tyranny is good
Well, whoever with the strength of will and the numbers will win out, won't they? And then they'll be good and the losers will be bad. That's how history works.
>>68797149
>>68800599
>>68803499
>If you don't serve blacks, I will put a gun to your head and force you to!
Only you wouldn't do that, you will merely bitch for someone else to do it. Pathetic cuckoldry
>>68805434
we all know the welfare state isn't going anywhere
the only solution is to ban all the shitskins and keep them out
>>68805374
Is true, there is no "true" anarchy like mad max. I don't think this can exist in a human society.
With anarchy I meant, of course, no official state that exerts control over the national territory.
>>68805753
Whites were Euros
>OP seriously thinking any of that shit is core to alt-right
>>68805739
>every tuesday without fail
>>68805637
>They were slave-holding hypocrites and cowards clutching their pearls in fear of the poor.
They understood, as had been understand since the time of the ancient Greeks, that a universal franchise is a diluted franchise, which leads to Democracy (not Republic) and which ultimately devolves into Anarchy (in a purely negative sense, mob-rule).
Securing a Virtuous electorate prolongs the survival of a Republic by immunizing it against cultural and political decay. Limiting the franchise is one lever which can be used to increase the aggregate "virtue" of an electorate (education, level-headedness, altruism, etc., all the things which our braindead multicultural electorate not only lacks but would have difficulty defining without a dictionary)
>>68805673
you've never seen anybody write brackets around a jew's name before?
>>68805679
>a guy raised in a country controlled by democratic propaganda happens to think democracy is the best system
what a coincidence
Blue pill idiots will alway be afraid of freedom.
BUT OMG people will have sex with animals!
>>68805481
>>68805495
Call it whatever you want, liberal, libertarian, right wing or alt-right. The general consensus is less government and more freedom for everyone. Why is it so hard to focus on just that without getting distracted by labels?
>>68805626
The ones that confuse the people who thought a mass ideological movement needs to take place via identity politics.
Yes, that's a circular sort of answer, but if you're going to fight then you fight good and dirty.
>>68805629
Are you even familiar with Marxist literature? They very openly welcome capitalist desruption of the traditional world as NECESSARY for the advent of communism. That's why I consider Jews like Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman as crypto-communists. In the defense of unfettered capitalism, they gave more strenght to communism than those goyim like George Meany who were truly anti-communist.
That, and because libertarianism defend individual rights which can only be granted by the State at the expense of civil society, is why I consider libertarians and classical liberals as communist.
>>68805827
I would be the black not getting served.
Keep crying, white boy. I just want to give someone money in exchange for a burger.
>>68804253
Yet for decades after independence immigration to the us was overwhelmingly from the British isles and later Northern Germany. While long after that ceased to be the case we still insisted immigrants conform into WASP cultural norms.
Even in the article linked above Franklin mentions the common belief still found on this board today that many Europeans don't really count as white.
Your living in denial if you think the founders were thinking about skin color alone.
>>68796124
>>"it's okay to be a retard as long as you are fighting other retards"
What is wrong with this? The high road is for faggot cucks.
>>68805657
I think the main reason people went alt-right is because the mainstream right gave up. They're useless. It's basically people who know they will never win, so they get in there as career politicians just to get some money.
They don't want to win elections, they just want to pander to the liberals and say ''is this ok? Am I allowed to do this? haha :)''. They're just doing their job trying to get by.
When someone like Trump shows up and he says ''I WILL WIN THIS ELECTION'' it's shocking. The dude wants to win and actually do something. That's mind blowing in 2016. He's not there just to feed his family by being a career politician.
>>68805369
>Just look at Russian history. What happened once they got rid of the nobility. Dekulakization happened, the total enslavement of the peasantry to the central government.
Russian peasantry changed tsarist slavers for commie slavers. I.E. nothing really happened.
>>68800599
They are already out of control.
We have armed black uprising every fucking day for the last 30 years.
>>68805843
Yes, but can you read?
Learn what the libertarian positions are. Libertarians want to get rid of the welfare state too.
>>68806461
Russian peasants had more freedom under tsarism, thanks to institutions such as the Obshchina.
>>68796832
That meme has an unsatisfied and unanswered premise though.
Essentially: it's no more than an opinion, stated arrogantly.
>>68806333
>everything that is identity politics is bad
>everything but liberalism is a form of identity politics
>liberalism doesn't count as identity politics, despite us identifying as liberals and having the same group dynamics, because our beliefs superficially reject this classification
i'm not convinced
>>68806397
lol, you act like the civil rights act helped blacks.
First of all, black business would step in to make money.
Second, most businesses wouldn't discriminate. You really think Walmart wants to serve less customers?
I've yet to see a black gas station owner in my town, even in the 90% black areas. Sorry, buddy, civil rights fucked up black people.
>>68806437
What about that is alternative? Since when did conservatives start trusting politicians? They were never expected to solve problems besides reducing their own power.
>>68806417
most people weren't that interested
pre industrial times news traveled slow
>>68806549
you have to kick out non whites before you can do that.
>>68805629
>Someone remind me what the average IQ of Brazil is so I can understand why this faggot thinks this way.
He thinks that because Marxist subversives exploit Classical-Liberal/Libertarian ideals such as "Freedom of Speech" to set up shop in a free society, then they begin to indoctrinate the young, and then those they indoctrinate demand an end to free speech.
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
Then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU3vcvGpALQ
>>68806316
>The general consensus is less government and more freedom for everyone.
I agree - in an all-white society. I don't know if you've noticed lad but our governments are trying to replace us in our own countries.
>>68806316
Narcissism of small differences. Groups that generally agree with one another tend to be the most vocal critics of one another. Its the same on the left.
>>68806064
It can certainly ensure that only the interests of the franchised are furthered at the sacrifice of the disenfranchised.
Who needs virtue when the man who says he's going to cut my taxes is running? Who needs altruism when the poors are doing just fine working 12 hour days 6 days a week in my factory for a dollar a day.
>>68806387
>Are you even familiar with Marxist literature?
I don't concern myself with collectivist propaganda. A lot of ideologies pretend they are fighting for "freedom" even though they aren't. Libertarianism is the one ideology that actually supports liberty and justice for all.
Capitalism and communism are completely different things. You'd have to be a fucking retard to think they are somehow "linked" together.
>individual rights which can only be granted by the State
>which can only be granted by the State
>granted by the state
>brazilians actually think this
kek
>>68804738
>They are all based around the "liberal" idea of a "common good".
The economy is not based on "the common good." People only engage in trade when they believe they will get something out of it. It's the invisible hand of the free market that just so happens to serve the common good. I'll concede that the rest of your points are collectivist to some extent.
>The German collectivist nanny state of 1930-1945 had the right idea.
National socialism works less than globalist socialism. Centralized planning destroys economies, and when you can't even trade with other countries, your economy collapse in a decade. Germany has been fiscally socialist since the days of Bismarck. Their state socialism failed multiple times and their economy would eventually collapse with or without us.
>Why don't you move to Somalia? It's the perfect individualist state. They don't even have a military.. so you can be free from anything! Give it a try.
I'm not an anarchist
>>68806936
The alt-right talks about subjects the mainstream right won't e.g. Race.
Also, the mainstream right here in Western Europe isn't nationalistic at all.
>>68806890
>most businesses wouldn't discriminate
Most businesses HAVE discriminated.
> Sorry, buddy, civil rights fucked up black people.
I'm black, live in the South and I am about to graduate with a Master's degree from a predominately white University. I had an internship with the government the past summer. I can eat in whatever restaurant I want. I am benefiting from wealth my parents gained working in roles they wouldn't have been able to work in back in 1950.
I think you're quite wrong.
>>68807425
>I don't concern myself with collectivist propaganda.
That's why you always lose. You don't even know what your enemies are doing, how can you fight them?
>>68807673
jews act in a collective to destroy white society
if whites don't act collectively they get destroyed by jewish communism.
>>68807669
>Most businesses HAVE discriminated.
Pre-Civil Rights Act, I mean.
>>68800021
you'll get there
>>68802640
I like Ayn Rand desu
>>68802215
Fuck this guy.
>>68807031
What does race have to do with anything? The states have been importing foreigners since their inception. It's supposed to be a meritocracy, the people that can adapt thrive. You don't get any credit for being here longer besides the residual learning experience.
>>68806936
What's alternative is that we actually talk about Right wing things. The mainstream does not, because they are afraid of being called racist, sexist, etc.
All the mainstream can talk about is taxes and defending themselves against people calling them racist.
They call themselves Conservative and then they spend the rest of their lives ''proving'' the world that they aren't racist. It's a joke.
>>68806649
>Russian peasants had more freedom under tsarism
Kek. Russian peasantry got individual freedom only in 1861. Economically they were never freed from paying rent to the ruling class.
>Obshchina
Obshchina is opposite of freedom anon. It brings more obligations not rights.
if anything social moblity under commies were better. Peasants were fucked but they have option to abandon peasantry and become proletariat.
>>68807669
>wealth my parents gained working in roles they wouldn't have been able to work in back in 1950.
Like what exactly? The south is littered with once great but now abandoned "black wall streets" that had all the same high end occupations available to whites.
>>68807031
>I agree - in an all-white society.
Holy fuck can you really be that stupid? You think that the way a society functions is dependent on the skin tone of its members?
My brain hurts when I try to think of what it must be like to be so incredibly stupid. And think yourself superior!
>>68807240
Can you not see that the mobs will vote until the nation is out of money and the system has collapsed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuL6T5Dc2LI
>>68807669
>>68807749
discrimination is not always bad. Company discriminate on skill, pay, ect. If someone won't hire black engineers, then someone else will capitalize on it. Blacks were very successful in the construction business and other industry. Black wallstreet for example.
What I'm saying is that "segregation" if you want to call it that, could lead to things like community police. It would probably solve some of the issues involving police shootings.
>>68808141
>The south is littered with once great but now abandoned "black wall streets"
There were a handful, but there really weren't that many.
>>68796124
the alt right is less fucking identity than you are you faggot cuck. your own political identity forces you to assume everyone else is wholly dedicated to their memes which is ironically exactly what the libertarian movement has become
new alt right has all the same movements of the libertarian movement 5 years ago but with the understanding that you need to have some fucking sack and work the system in order to have influence.
American nationalism = states rights focus = American balkanization = libertarian
>>68801783
it would sure seam like it
>>68807467
There is nothing alternative about that, the "right" in that sense has always been nationalistic, heirarchical, authoritarian and militaristic. Basically tribal while the left is egalitarian. The "alt-right" as I understood it was capitalistic, meritocratic and individualistic.
>>68802215
MRAs and gamergaters needs to be thrown in an oven. They have the same foundational world view as feminists and are simply too stupid to make any deeper connections when they see feminist inconsistency.
>>68807669
>Most businesses HAVE discriminated.
You really think you'll get an equality law passed in a democracy if most people would object to serving people based on race? The only reason the equal rights act was passed was because it became unacceptable for the majority of the country.
I'm half black and your logic is based on nothing but feelings. Companies should be able to deny service for whatever reason they want.
>>68808159
>race is just skin colour
Please being fucking joking.
most /pol/acks are libertarians, we just pretend to be nazi because its funny and triggers the left.
>>68808624
It's some fag posting Dr Who shit so it's probably serious.
>>68808450
But the mainstream right is none of those things?
>>68796832
You can move to another country. This country was founded on the liberties of individuals.
Fascism and Communism are the most UnAmerican concepts in the entire world.
>>68808022
>Obshchina is opposite of freedom anon. It brings more obligations not rights.
These obligations were self-imposed, though.
You see, in the end, that's what it all boils down to. Power is either concentrated or descentralized, there is no middle-ground, you either have a powerful, absolutist State commanding the loyalty and obedience of all citizens, or you have institutions that descentralize Power but as a result are in themselves "oppressive" to those under them. The Obshchina is one example, but we can also mention nobility, Church, even the patriarchal family.
What libertarianism does is defend "individual rights" against such oppressive, descentralized institutions, but doing so it actually empowers the central state even more.
>>68798527
>Trump
>wanting smaller government
pick one
>>68808624
Please grow up and learn biology.
>>68808328
Can you not see that black communities have suffered more from government interference then any other group?
The crowding out effect of welfare like food stamps and child support replace the need for traditional family support systems. This of course is now effecting white communities.
When the state gets involved with anything, they seek to crowd out competition. Husbands have been losing out to the big daddy government for years now. This is why women have no incentive to be a good wife, the state is their back up. Religion has been the only hedge against this, but it is weakening.
>>68808781
The mainstream right is generally looking for something to ban or a country to invade, so the same as it ever was.
>>68808816
From Bertrand de Jouvenel's On Power:
>The mistake of not seeing in society more than the one Power, i.e. the governmental or public authority, has an astonishingly wide vogue. Whereas in fact the governmental is but one of the authorities present in society; there exist alongside it a whole host of others, which are at once its collaborators, in that they help it in securing social order, and its rivals, in that, like it, they claim men's obedience and inveigle them into their service.
>These non-governmental authorities, to which we give the name social authorities, are no more blessed with an angelic nature than is Power itself. If they all were so blessed, there could be, depend on it, nothing but perfect harmony and cooperation between them. But it is not so: however altruistic one of these authorities, such as the paternal or the ecclesiastical, is intended by nature to be, human nature imparts to it a measure of egoism: it tends to make itself its end. Whereas, conversely, an authority which is by nature egoist, such as the employer's or the feudal lord's, is sobered by time, and develops by unequal stages the spirit of protection and kindness. Every authority is, by the law of its nature, essentially dualist. Being ambitious, each separate authority tends to grow; being egoistical, to consult only its own immediate interest; being jealous, to pare down the role of the other authorities. There thus ensues an incessant strife of authorities. And this strife provides the state with its main chance.
>The growth of its authority strikes private individuals as being not so much a continual encroachment on their liberty as an attempt to put down the various petty tyrannies to which they have been subjected. It looks as though the advance of the state is a means to the advance of the individual.
>Here is the main reason for the endless complicity of subjects in the designs of Power; it is the true secret of Power's expansion.
>>68799836
This desu. I've noticed the same thing online, and some in real life with regards to STEM/Anime "far right" fagots. It's like some /v/irgin gamergaters finally caught a glimpse of what being a fucking man looks like when the veil of their videogame induced hypnosis got torn from their eyes, and they were forced to fend for themselves against the majority which shunned them as it is.
The huge redpill potential gets flushed down the drain when they fall into the same traps liberals wallow in. This is induced by the recent media attention they've been getting, some personalities have developed cult like followings, akin to BLM and other social justice activist who do it for the attention.
Ironically both think that they are "counter-culture", far leftist think the system is rigged, which is why most are fucking Anarchist kiddies, and the far right goes to the other extreme idolizing strictly Authoritarian worldviews. Both think that the thin veneer of "lies" they've pierced is some divine revelation no one but them has figured out, and everyone that disagrees is immediately disregarded as an idiot "normie" or "bluepilled" or some other term.
Alt-left are "woke"; Alt-right are "redpilled" the difference is between them is superficial.
I'm all for what most of /pol/ regards as necessary, a strong nationalist state, where men are men, and women are women. Where no one is degenerate, and everyone works for the benefit of the nation, but we have to
>>68808913
Your first post was pretty good bait 2bh, but that was just awful.
>>68809048
But we have to admit that there is a strong "cringy" element to the "movement" like MRA, PUA fagots and the like. And we must do everything we can to either disassociate from these people, or show them the way.
>>68808185
>discrimination is not always bad. Company discriminate on skill, pay, ect. If someone won't hire black engineers, then someone else will capitalize on it. Blacks were very successful in the construction business and other industry. Black wallstreet for example.
These companies arose as a response to injustice. As much as people look back starry-eyed to the days when blacks were overtly discriminated against, I think that tacit approval of discrimination is a ridiculous recipe for social advancement.
>What I'm saying is that "segregation" if you want to call it that, could lead to things like community police. It would probably solve some of the issues involving police shootings.
Yeah, but we tried segregation, and that's not what happened.
>>68808159
I think this is the most important lesson of the alt-right. There is a reason why ALL Latin American countries are socialists.
And Republicans delude themselves thinking they are "natural conservatives", hue.
>>68808328
Found in most major cities of the jim crow era, certainly any with significant black populations. The fact that any existed at all shows that segregation didn't limit black opportunities.
What limited blacks then is the same thing that limits the black community today, poor education and lack of investment capital.
>>68803499
NO! NO! NO!
The state's most fundamental role is to protect it's citizens from foreign threats.
>>68796124
Individualism = autism
There is no such thing as an individual in a society. It is an illusion meant to divide us and make us weak. We are all parts of the greater whole.
>>68796124
We just want Western civilisation to survive and society to be organised for the benefit of families and their children. Is that too much to ask? Oh and to gas jews.
>>68808913
Appeals to authority is gross. You'll hear the same stuff from pop culture scientists like Bill Nye, it's a unpleasant fact dispelled for the sake of society
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1866760/
I'd recommend looking up "population genetics" which is essential race genetics renamed to be cultural senstitive
>>68809306
>Yeah, but we tried segregation, and that's not what happened.
Companies and individuals should be able to discriminate, the state should not.
Jim crow was primarily negative because the government enforced it on "public" goods. Things like legal protection and goods promised to be equally provided to everyone else.
Sorry, blacks were not trying to get the right to go to "Jim's, I hate niggers KKK burgers"
>>68808572
>The only reason the equal rights act was passed was because it became unacceptable for the majority of the country.
Look up the vote totals. Southern congressmen of both parties, whose constituents would most be affected by it, came almost unanimously against the act.
It wasn't a done-deal just because it was popular with the country. The South had to be dragged kicking and screaming to acknowledge equal rights.
>>68796543
You are seeing what the enemy wants you to see, not what is really there.
>>68808940
This is very true. And the sad fact that is that we don't really see MRAs start to appear until very late in the process.
It was black men that were first systematically targeted. It was a generation of black children that grew up with no father but the state, before the state grew bold enough to start attacking fathers everywhere.
And this kind of goddamn goat-fucker ignorance is exactly what we have to thank for the fact that that worked for them and fathers of all colors are on the ropes today.
Thanks stormfags.
>>68809697
You fucking moron. You gigantic fucking moron. I've fucking lectured on population genetics. Just how inbred are you?
>>68807889
No one cares about you colonials. European states are white states, representing their ethnic population. Migration, meritocratic or not, is anathema to our culture and the very reason our states exist.
We could all just be a collective European state if we didnt care about race and culture. But we do. Its what our nations are based around: defending an ethnic group. Its why we made them.
Look at how Yugoslavia worked out, trying to blend ethnicities to work together.
>>68809720
>Sorry, blacks were not trying to get the right to go to "Jim's, I hate niggers KKK burgers"
So you're saying sit-ins just didn't happen?
Individualism is the cancer of white people. The reason why the white race is going extinct is because while other races and ethnicities support and defend one another even to the death, whites are encouraged to engage in independent thought and form an independent identity that has no relation to the wider group.
While this can be a good thing and has led to the superior creativity and scientific innovation of white civilizations, at a certain point a society of totally self-interested individuals loses any sense of culture and identity, allowing another group to fill the vacant social gap. Soon the media and politics of the society start to reflect the majority opinion, as is inevitable in democracy, so while whites argue and question amongst themselves, the tribalism of the former minority wins out.
Bill Burr had a stand up bit about how when blacks start fighting with white people, blacks will pour out of buildings to go defend the black person even though they have no possible way of knowing whether he was in the right. Conversely, whites will ignore the situation entirely and continue on their way. Is it any surprise that white culture and identity is being exterminated when whites don't even believe in such concepts?
>>68810288
I know they happened, I just think they were stupid and unjustified.
From my prospective, its like being pissed you can't join a club for a partially race. Which is legal in the US.
>>68808913
>whites are better weightlifters and blacks are better runners because of fucking magic, not racial differences
Sure thing, sunshine.
>>68810078
You can't have capitalism without migrants or else you'll lose out to the nations that do.
>>68810348
Question for you:
The racial tensions in Europe, are they a consequence of this white individualism you say, or of a forced collectivisation imposed by the state?
>>68810070
I understand the genetic aspect of race, but I'm not a racist.
Their are for sure differences beyond just skin color.
Ether way, I think the issue isn't very important
>>68809884
>Look up the vote totals. Southern congressmen of both parties, whose constituents would most be affected by it, came almost unanimously against the act.
It wouldn't have been passed unless the majority of the country supported it. Looking at the South does not prove me wrong. And if I am wrong, and most of the country did not support it, then you would be admitting that the civil rights act goes against democracy and the constitution.
The actual conclusion I'm making is that companies should be able to deny service or employment for whatever reason. Even if this does result in SJW-run places denying whites in.
>>68810492
Pretty sure the sit ins were to protest legalized discrimination by the state. Not a desire to eat at any one particular business.
im glad i wasn't the only one who thought this
>>68808940
This.
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, and that is to destroy the black family."-Walter E. Williams.
>>68808816
>These obligations were self-imposed, though.
They were granted on the birth. It is not like peasants were giving option to sign or decline obshchina joing contract. You have strange definition of freedom.
These institutions were just levels of Russian absolute monarchy power delegation. It is not like USSR was one amorphous state. it includes many subinstitutions each of them allowed some freedom of self-organisation. Pioneers, Komsomol, Communist Party, unions, sovkhozes. All these intuitions held part of state power and all of them technically were self-organised and ruled through democratic elections is USSR. Same for the government.
>>68810694
>You can't have capitalism without migrants
Hilarious. Yes you can, we did in Europe for centuries.
Migration from the third world is fucking worthless as well. Uneducated cunts who dont speak the language. Migration would be necessary if labour demand far exceeded supply, but it doesnt, does it? No, we just use it to drive costs down. Plenty of labour here.
The only use would be to let highly skilled migrants in to drive innovation, but even then the only races that have the potential to produce worthwhile scientists are whites and asians.
Unqualified migration is not good.
>>68810694
Scandanavia used to be more capitalistic than the US ever was, and they're still incredibly homogeneous even after adopting socialism.
>>68810564
>unicorns exist because of magic.
Well yeah, I guess, if they did exist, it would be because of magic at least.
>>68810778
You think you understand, and you're probably a little less ignorant than most, but you clearly do not actually get it.
There are no genetic aspects to race. In order to have genetic aspects to race you would first have to be able to divide your samples up into objective races, you can't do that, because they do not actually exist. There are MANY genetic gradients, they don't line up together so as to make 'racial barriers' one runs east to west and one runs south to north and one runs southest to northwest 300 miles thattaway and so on and so forth.
The modern concept of race has more to do with marketing than science. We're conditioned from very early ages to sort ourselves out by color, to divide into color-coded teams, etc. This helps create the illusion that these divisions are somehow objective, pre-existing, natural. But if you actually take the time to understand the evidence, that is only an illusion.
>>68810705
I would say white individualism is imposed by the state. Whites are taught to question and side against themselves as early as primary school in Sweden, and to deny any sense of ethnic national identity. Whites are taught "Ne yourself." I don't think collectivisation is really imposed by the state; rather; international solidarity rather than national solidarity is promoted.
The racial tensions in Europe are a consequence of multiculturalism and can still be observed in societies mostly absent of white individualism like India.
>>68796124
Honestly /pol/ can be so retarded at times. I agree with nationalistic principles, but /pol/ just uses the other side of the spectrum of identity politics
>Muh Nigger genes=Stupidity
This doesn't make any logical sense for a multitude of reasons.
1. It's not scientific in the slightest
2. Blacks having lower IQs is not because of the fact that they are black, it's due to how their raised. They're raised in low income families and are taught rancid Morales all through their lives. They're told to "Fuck DA police nigguh!" And the media glamorizes it. If blacks bright themselves out of poverty and stopped blaming their problems on everyone else this wouldn't be a problem. But it's not simply because they're black. That is just a retarded stormfags meme
>Inb4 Cuck
Nice buzzword
>>68811687
So you are going to outright deny whites and blacks are better at different sports? That whites have broader skeletal structures allowing them to be better weighlifters, while blacks have more white muscle over red muscle mass?
Ronnie coleman is an exception who has microlegia, allowing him to build more muscle mass than almost anyone. And even then he's a fucking weak pussy compared to top white lifters. You can back this up easily with quantitative data:
Almost all olympic gold medals in weightlifting go to whites. In fact, all do in the 85kg+ category. Almost all gold medals in the marathon and 1500m go to blacks, specifically black Ethiopians and Eritreans. The sprint (100 and 200m) is dominated by blacks but they dont win every medal.
You denying there are physiological differences between races is outright retardation. How the fuck would you explain Dutch average height being 6' while Chinese average height is 5'4"? Magic again, I suppose. Pure fucking coincidence.
>>68811395
The culture clash is what drives innovation, otherwise the homogeny leads to stagnation. The more radical the differences, the more inventive the solutions. How Europe used to evolve by war is how the US evolves by business.
>>68811938
What is the bell curve?
>>68796124
All of your points are evident in Trump supporters. He's literally a globalist running on protectionist ideas, and is for all of the same major points as Clinton, Obama, and Bush.
>>68808793
Yeah it was also founded on American nationalism and exceptionalism so stop it with your libertarian bullshit. Our unity was designed to thwart foreign influences, its been corrupted and framed as evil now
>>68812374
>The culture clash is what drives innovation, otherwise the homogeny leads to stagnation
>whites and chinese have driven all technological innovation up to the 1950s
>never mixed with anyone
Yeah man. Its the culture clash that creates innovation. Homogenity leads to stagnation, I mean just look at Japan! 99.9% Japanese, and it's not like they lead in the field of robotics and IT technology or anything.
You've fallen for leftist propaganda hook line and sinker, my friend.
>>68812354
>>68812547
The people you're replying to are shills/retards 2bh, the whole "muh black upbringing" shite has been BTFO for absolutely ages now.
>>68811938
This anon is grasping it.
There doesn't have to be any objective scientific truth to 'muh black race' for systematic targeting of black fathers for multiple generations to produce large numbers of black people who were raised in single family homes, on the government dole, and for all intents and purposes deliberately *made* into dindus.
The link to skin color has nothing to do with genes. It's just how their fathers were chosen for targeting. It's as arbitrary a criteria as could be imagined.
>>68812354
You can find statistical differences between people if you split them by color, but it's essentially just statistical noise.
>You denying there are physiological differences between races is outright retardation. How the fuck would you explain Dutch average height being 6' while Chinese average height is 5'4"? Magic again, I suppose.
Genetics, not magic. You seem to have difficulty understanding the difference.
>>68808883
>trump
>alt right
>>68812931
>You can find statistical differences between people if you split them by color, but it's essentially just statistical noise.
Please explain.
>>68811938
No, you're wrong. Smarter people than you who were educated at Harvard and taught at Berkeley have argued that while races are not objective social categories, psychological traits like intellectual potential are in likelihood heritable, and such traits can then be confined to populations which share a common race. I'm sure that the anti-intellectual culture of black Americans has much to do with the black-white IQ gap because the environment in which a child is raised can affect his or her intellectual capacity, but genes also play a role.
Environment cannot account for all of a person's failures or limitations. Much of it is biological also.
>>68811938
We've been over this thousands of times
It is scientific.
It has everything to do with genetics.
We've been over this so many times. Black kids raised well don't magically turn into smart people. It's genetic. You must be a creationist to believe that there are no genetic differences when it comes to intelligence.
It's not to say that blacks are dumb and we should ''gas the bikes race war now''. It's just reality. We have different genetic potential. Don't get triggered by it, it's the truth.
This is a fairly complex subject. There's a lot to discuss here, but you're clearly close minded and you just don't want to hear the facts.
There is this one tribe or whatever you want to call it in Africa who have an average IQ of 105. I can't remember the name. These people are smarter than whites in America and they don't have the best upbringing. What this says is that it's not that blacks are dumb, it's that the human species has a lot of branches. Race is more complicated than you think.
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