DAILY REMINDER!!! Christianity is a commie cuck religion.
Bumping with evidence.
>>68767763
>>68767763
>millionth atheist attack Christianity only thread
Gee I wonder why they would attack the only true religion.
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>>68767763
someone deal with this heretic
>>68768153
>Gee I wonder why they would attack the only true religion.
Pic related is why. Christianity is proto-communism.
>>68768415
Not before you swallow the red-pill Hassan.
>>68767763
>believing outright LIES
lol ok
>>68769356
>lol ok
Bible is a lie? Care to elaborate?
>>68767763
Get back to being poor or whatever Bulgarians do in their free time. No one wants you, especially not anyone here.
>>68769539
I never said that the Bible is a lie, I'm saying that what you're saying right now is a lie.
>>68767763
>>68767978
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>>68768701
who could be behind this post /pol/
>>68769763
>who could be behind this post /pol/
I'm for sure your greatest ally.
>>68769617
>I'm saying that what you're saying right now is a lie.
I'm citing the bible.
>>68769989
Liar!!
Everyone knows that Jesus said:
> "do NOT love your enemies", "the strong shall NOT fall", "the meek will NOT inherit the Earth", "DO resist evil", "do NOT abandon the treasures and reaches of this world", "DON'T submit to your torturers and DON'T carry your own cross", "DON'T hate your self and your own family", "if someone takes your shirt, DON'T give him your coat as well"
>>68770498
>Everyone knows that Jesus said:
Where?
>>68767763
Jesus wanted you to willingly give to the poor, not have the Romans come to your door with their spears and force you to give to the poor while taking a little cut off the top for their efforts.
bump
>>68771413
>not have the Romans come to your door with their spears and force you to give to the poor while taking a little cut off the top for their efforts.
He did:
> give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar
Jesus constantly repeats himself about the need not to put resistance to whatever the romans or jews wanted
That is what "meek" means: to be submissive
>>68771413
> "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you
>>68771413
>Jesus wanted you to willingly give to the poor
>wanted
>you to willingly
Really??!!? Someone is expecting something from you and this is supposed to be considered as "free will"??
Daily reminder that the christcucks are literally brain dead.
>>68771589
>hold spear to dude's throat
>ask whether you deserve to be paid taxes
>"uh, uh, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's!"
At most, he was dodging a question about taxation, not advocating full blown Communism.
>>68771717
>willingly do these things to be a good person, friends!
>>68772212
What the fuck did you just type, Latvia?
I'd be a commie if ya boi Jesus was in charge.
>>68772265
> At most, he was dodging a question about taxation, not advocating full blown Communism.
he constantly declared that those that are oppressed, those that cry, those that are submissive and weak, are those that will receive the New Kingdom
being oppressed and living under a totalitarian regime would be a perfect situation for a christian, as that will ensure he is good to the eyes of Jesus
>>68772265
> to be a good person
> not a complete cuck without balls
>>68767763
Jesus advocated for private property rights. He cannot be a communist.
>>68772763
![f4e50a973103e398668a6fe1de1d9476[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZI9P2bw.jpg "f4e50a973103e398668a6fe1de1d9476[1].jpg")
>>68772763
>Jesus advocated for private property rights.
Literally wat
The opposite!! He asked his followers to reject the world, and to surrender all his material belongings
Your version of Jesus is ahistorical
>>68772828
Still believed in private property. That is by definition bit communist. Refute that one
>>68772588
I think he was saying that everyone, including those oppressed, submissive and weak, will inherit the New Kingdom. Not exclusively them.
>complete cuck without balls
I mean sure, if that's what you mean by willingly giving your shit to poor people. Don't know why you're so concerned with what other people do with their own private property and wealth. You some kinda freedom hating commie?
>>68772904
And your version of him is derived from meme pictures
>>68772936
All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
John 17:10
John 16:15
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you."
>>68772936
>Still believed in private property.
Sauce?
>>68767763
Communism didn't worked like you think it did. You live under false belief that rich people worked for their money and then your second false belief is that Socialism commands them to share it.
Socialism was about giving everybody a job and stability from capitalistic fraud, not handing over money for free. There is no need to steal money from richer people in Socialism, since there are no richer people, everybody has more or less same amount of money and can afford everything.
Welfare and giving is a capitalistic thing where you give out money to calm the much poorer and less happy masses and prevent them from protesting, literally what Romans have been doing with bread and games.
>>68772953
> including those oppressed, submissive and weak, will inherit the New Kingdom. Not exclusively them.
Far from that!! I STRONGLY recommend you read the Gospel some times, as he complements his sermon by declaring that the strong and the rich will find it impossible to enter his Kingdom
If you were to read the Gospel with open eyes you would realize that literally everything he says is the exact opposite of normal human behavior
> those that wanna live will die, those that wanna die will live
> love your enemies, hate yourself and your own family
The "Good News" that Jesus talked about, the "Revelation" that he brought about, what was if you behaved exactly the opposite of roman pagans, if you betrayed those that you should have loyalty to, and love those that persecuted you, if you looked for death and reject life, if you sold everything away instead of saving treasures, then you will be rewarded with eternal life
he even points out that it is useless to follow him if you wanna live by the normal, non-inverted rules of the romans
See:
> I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; For if you love those who love you, what should you be rewarded for? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Pagans do the same?
The inversion of all values, doing the opposite to what would ensure your survival in the world ( which Jesus considers evil), so that you can prove your illumination and be rewarded for doing the opposite of indicated by the laws of nature by being granted eternal life: that is the very core of Christianity
>>68772335
>What the fuck did you just type, Latvia?
I can't comply with the expectations of some illiterate collectivist. And then call myself a sane man.
>>68773513
* he brought about, was that if you behaved exactly
>>68773206
This is long, but it addresses most of the verses mention in this thread
>>68773507
underrated
>>68773507
>Socialism, since there are no richer people, everybody has more or less same amount of money and can afford everything.
Yeah, and everybody was REQUIRED to work in the name of the "greater good". There is literally no difference between them commies and Jesus.
nothanks.jpg
>>68773815
Question: Why would a religion concerned only with an eternal reward in the other world for those that rejected this Earth and its treasure be concerned with private property at all?
Jesus himself said that his kingdom was not of this world, and if anyone wanted your stuff you should submit to that
>>68773513
>If you were to read the Gospel with open eyes you would realize that literally everything he says is the exact opposite of normal human behavior
Okay. So he still preached you should willingly give all your shit away for the promise of some salvation and heaven and shit. Not have people with guns take your shit forcibly like in Communism.
>>68773556
>expect something
>guy says no
Where's the forcible taking?
>>68767763
There's a pretty big difference between volunteering to join a commune for a few years and being forced at gun point to work on a farm collectively owned by the entire country.
>>68774138
>Where's the forcible taking?
Are you asking me for real?
>>68767763
>Not reading the rest of the book of Acts.
>Not giving chapter and verse number.
>Bulgarian
If you had read the rest, you would have read that some of the "believers" just wanted to lay around and do nothing while the others worked.
But of course you won't read the rest because you're just an atheist troll.
>>68772828
>giving from your own free will
>establishing a totalitarian government and forcibly taking others possessions
Choose one and only one for the end of time
>>68774211
>>68774138
What happens when someone wanna "redistribute" your stuff, and the guru of the commune tells you that submission is the way to go, and that suffering will ensure you go to Heaven?
Private Property implies that you are morally right to use violence to defend your shit and your family.
Jesus only approved of violence when it was against the people of your own family. Not even once he asked his followers to defend themselves from aggressive third parties
>>68774351
That wasn't Jesus.
>>68772904
The abortion one is too fucking retarded. It's like this shit was made by a 5th grader.
>>68774424
>just wanted to lay around and do nothing while the others worked.
Wat's wrong with this, little christian fella?
>>68774448
Being removed from your moral right to protect your stuff is pretty much what totalitarianism is
Specially if there is a threat of psychological violence "if you don't hate yourself and sell your shit to feed the poor, you will forever burn in an eternal pit in the afterlife"
>Jesus wanted to tax everybody 90% and give it to niggers and bums
Where does it say in the Bible?
>>68773983
You worked anywhere you wanted in Socialism, you applied to job and you almost 100% got it, if you weren't good at it then Communistic party might offer you other jobs to re-assign you and re-educate you, but salary was more or less everywhere the same in Socialism. While capitalism and church teach people that there are more and less important people, like god or your billionaire. There is literally no competition in Socialism, you have to fulfill your work quota or you get re-assigned to other workplace. People were coming drunk to work during Socialism, if they could do the job, nobody cared, if they didn't, then they gone through re-education. Only problem was when you cause disturbance by being drunk and you weren't allowed to parade like a drunk hippie.
>>68774502
>That wasn't Jesus.
No, just his passionate followers.
>>68773018
it is derived literally from the Gospel
Jesus said "Go and embrace your crosses", and his followers commited suicide by roman
>>68767763
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, he is fed for a lifetime.
Not even close to Commie.
Also, most atheists tend to be lefties to get fucked :^)
>>68774491
Burn the house, the fields and salt the earth. If I can't have my property neither should 'the people'.
>>68774672
Akthually Jesus wanted to tax you 100 % and give it to nigger and bummers
The difference is that his tax is not enforced in this world, but in the other life: if you don't pay up, you are going to burn forever
>>68774669
>"if you don't hate yourself and sell your shit to feed the poor, you will forever burn in an eternal pit in the afterlife"
Fucking what?
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Read up on Christianity. I don't mean to sound like *too* much of an asshole but you quite obviously don't know shit.
Basic tenant: You cannot earn your way to heaven. Salvation is given through God, not through good deeds.
>>68774491
>What happens when someone wanna "redistribute" your stuff
I shoot them.
>Not even once he asked his followers to defend themselves from aggressive third parties
Then Jesus was a pussy. Does that still mean he outright advocated for Communism?
>>68774717
Right. The subject of the thread was "JESUS WAS A COMMIE"
>>68774672
>Where does it say in the Bible?
>>68774831
that does not sound very christian
It seems like you love treasures of this Earth
Jesus mentioned many times that would be an impediment for you becoming his true follower
I am sorry m8 but you gona burn
If you are not willing to sacrifice your life in this world, why exactly should you be rewarded?
>>68774849
that is not what Jesus said
Luke 14:26
> If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
> Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple
You don't sound like a person that hates himself m8. I think you are going to burn
Unless you think Christianity is about getting an eternal reward for doing shit
>>68774704
This was the real downfall of Communism. Laziness; not even oppression.
>>68774882
> Does that still mean he outright advocated for Communism?
of course he does
The only difference is that instead of physical violence, his threat is that you will burn in a paralel plane after you are dead
>>68775115
>Christianity is about getting an eternal reward for doing shit
t. Religious Right
>>68775132
then Communism does not understand living organisms, and it is flawed to begin with
the deepest need of every living being, including humans, is to ensure his genetic survival at the lowest energy cost possible
>>68775132
Lazy people: American.
Fat, lazy, stealing, looting, can't even form a functional family any longer.
>>68774882
>Right. The subject of the thread was "JESUS WAS A COMMIE"
>He does not used power to rob people, just scammed them
>You see he is not a commie
>>68774973
A burnt field is better than a farm tended to by slaves of the state and I would probably be executed for defying the state.
>>68774619
Ever hear this? "He who does no work shall not eat"
Its in the Bible. Too bad you didn't read it.
>>68768110
He didn't accept it. He said the gift was abhorrent.
>>68775415
Every functional society is similar; every dysfunctional society is different. I am quite aware of this and am absolutely afraid for us.
>>68775542
> "He who does no work shall not eat"
it is actually funny how that phrase came around
Paul was getting tired of bums joining his commune to get free shit
Jesus mentioned no such thing
>>68775308
>then Communism does not understand living organisms, and it is flawed to begin with
100% this. The same is also valid about the Christianity.
Christianity is a precursor for communism.
>>68775308
Does it looks like USA secured its genetic survival? You'd be surprised how different Americans looked 50 years ago. USA is a marketplace of international people who fuck each other over for money, don't try to find deep meaning beyond that. Nobody moves to USA or Germany today to sustain genetic survival and heritage, if anything they exploit heritage and fuck genetic pool totally up, then when they done destroying they move further until there is nothing left to destroy, then they blame Communism and Satan.
>>68775206
I don't know. If some random dude off the street said I'd burn in some weird alternate dimension after I die if I don't give all my shit away, I'd probably just tell him to fuck off. That's a little different than the government coming to your house and forcibly stealing all your shit at gunpoint.
>>68775424
Right. He fooled people into willingly giving their shit away. Not use swords and spears and an army to kill them if they don't give up their shit.
>>68775542
>"He who does no work shall not eat"
And this is universal law of the nature, because?
>>68767763
>white people sending telepathic messages to a Middle-Eastern Jew
kek
can we just stop this farce? the Romans shut the Jewish trouble maker up
we Europeans should worship EUROPE
not desert gods
>>68775687
USA understands the human better. The social darwinism you speak of is the reason why the brighest and most competitive minds moved to USA and became billionaries
Given that white people of USA still reproduce close to replacement level, specially at the most successful levels (the families of both Romney and Trump are a good reference) I would say that free markets may humans happier biologically speaking as well
Mind you, the system is not perfect, but no system will be perfect until we truly decode the machinery of the human brain anyways
>>68775875
>Not use swords and spears and an army to kill them if they don't give up their shit.
So does the banker as well. But then it is "Muh usury", "Muh fraud"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uz7aC5o_Wg
>>68776300
>Europeans should worship EUROPE
>not desert gods
/thread
>>68776336
Smart people aren't fat, USA is more than 50% obese.
Smart people don't believe in fairy tales, there is a preacher of some different cult or church on every street corner in USA.
Smart/happy people don't need 10 pills on average to function, like in case of USA.
Happy people who understand humans don't fail in marriages, USA is one of top failing in marriages.
Nobody became a billionaire, they are a connected leechers club who give each other jobs and then they invest, originally they got money since royal times, war times where they stolen it or church money that is collected through their religion. If anything CEOs don't work anything and their existence is nothing but minus numbers on society. Being a boss of anything isn't contributing anything to Society, same as churches don't contribute anything, they are there because they exploit naive people.
>>68777119
again, I didn't say the system is perfect
But it is one trillion times better than communism
>>68775670
>Paul was getting tired of bums joining his commune to get free shit
The interesting here is what Paul actually worked? Aside from just talking some random "wise" bull-crap.
>commie_leach.jpg
>>68777297
This is why Socialism is much better than democracy, since in Socialism the government and anybody can look up your daily work quota, while in case of democracy/capitalism people make up numbers and pretend they contribute, but we can't really check since it's not even paper money at this point and there isn't even a checking organization in place. Rich people simply will be rich forever, since they make laws based on their needs, they know people and they always win at court and besides that they steal money and don't get punished.
Is Paul even a real person and why would some prehistoric painting guy be more important than any living human? Obviously to religious people one painting guy of unknown or non-existing origin is more important than millions of alive people as resource. It's all about the big quick steal instead of organization of masses. Capitalists are such lazy and useless people that they were too lazy and too greedy to invest money to deport slaves and this gone on for centuries, this dragging on of slaves until slaves eventually fucked up whole of USA.
>>68776051
So then what gives YOU the right to take from someone something they earned through labor. If you want to give someone something because they're poor, elderly, or handicap, that's a good thing. But expecting neetbucks just because you're too lazy or too afraid to earn your keep is disgusting.
Go ahead, try to take a fresh kill from a pack of wolves by yourself. You'll learn the world's laws when they rip your throat out.
All I'm hearing from you is just shitty circular thinking
>>68767763
Bulgaria? Hungary? who knows
east eurocuck with his bants. eat shit Sergei
>>68777748
> This is why Socialism is much better than democracy
Proof?
Societies with the highest index of economic liberty are the ones with the highest development index
If you want the government to tell you what to do, you can convert to islam and move to Saudi Arabia
>>68775579
>Pope Francis says he wasn't offended by 'communist crucifix' gift
>The crucifix was a REPLICA OF ONE DESIGNED BY A JESUIT PRIEST, the Reverend LuÃs Espinal, who was tortured and killed by Bolivian paramilitary squads in 1980. Francis prayed at the site of Espinal’s assassination upon his arrival in Bolivia.
>http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/13/pope-francis-communist-crucifix-gift-bolivia
mhm.
>>68768153
>they
And who do you think "they" is?
>>68777748
>This is why Socialism is much better than democracy, since in Socialism the government
>Government
>Not a bunch of hypocrite leeches the same as Paul
WHO is the Government? GOD?
>>68776618
Well maybe usury should have been outlawed back in Jesus' time, man. I don't know what point you're making here in relation to the subject of the thread:
>JESUS WAS A COMMIE
I'm still that same dude btw, I just got home, so different ID. Not trying to samefag to imply I have faggots agreeing with me or anything.
>>68777831
>So then what gives YOU the right to take from someone something they earned through labor.
GOD?
God created me leech and required form me to suck blood. I can't go against the will of my god, right?
>>68777940
>implying Saudi Arabia doesn't has some very dumb billionaires who do nothing but pretend they are gods on earth
Literally same useless garbage as your billionaires in USA and they connected to each asses anyway, since those games of left vs. right are for fools anyway, everybody knows rich people stick together, go visit each other dinner parties, they all friends at top, actually money is their only friend.
USA dumbed down whole planet so much and caused this huge uncontrolled explosion of poverty so they can get fat/degenerate as shit there in USA, all their international laws caused this huge migration that benefits nobody else but rich people of the world who have no home anywhere and have their private hangouts and really don't care if rotten nuclear apples start raining down on every piece of land. Those inventions that are privileged to couple of global companies they can stick up their ass, before whole world even starts using the latest in tooth repair we going to starve this earth to death over muh fake progress.
>>68767763
Reminder that athiests are cucks too.
Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.
I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.
I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.
Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.
I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.
And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.
Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.
Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black.
Why are new atheists on /pol/? :(
>>68778324
>I don't know what point you're making here in relation to the subject of the thread
The point is that the trickery is not any different from the brute force.
>>68778861
> /pol/
> New Atheists
> not Nietzschean Atheists
>>68778259
The only thing democracy done is pushed the burden of responsibility from Communist party to all of voters. People are far worse at voting for leader than political ruling party that needs to elect leaders. Do imagine how it would be if Vatican declared democracy and people were allowed to vote for next pope, that would backfire long ago.
>>68779017
Too much Andromeda for you mate
>>68767763
>quoting Acts
>Jesus
T O P
L E L
F A M
>>68778909
I completely disagree, friend. I think trickery is different than brute force.
>>68778484
God didn't make you a leech. You became one out of your own evil thoughts. Don't blame others for your own faults and ways, especially not God.
If God wanted you to be a leech, he would have made you one. But he didn't, you're a human just like me. So shut up, man up, and clean up the mess you created in you life. If not, then go lay in the snow and embrace death. But you probably won't, cowards don't accept responsibility.
>>68779055
>The only thing democracy done is pushed the burden of responsibility from Communist party to all of voters.
I'm not defending the democracy Slovenia. In fact together with the communism they are just two different faces of one and the same evil.
>Communism is using brute force
>"Democracy" is using trickery
>>68779425
>>quoting Acts
>acts are not part of Cucktinaty
lel
>>68779637
Only that in Socialism if you found a rotten stealing vermin inside of Communist party you would dispose of it, sometimes with bullet up their head, which was great. Now in democracy you almost don't have a politician who doesn't steals, then you almost don't have a politician who doesn't hides money in foreign land, then they are immune to any kind of prosecution, then they can escape to other country, literally can start bunch of wars over nothing and never they will be punished.
Quiz question: why do we even need a ruling party & politicians if we have no borders, no country, foreigner owners? Literally we don't need politicians any longer, since concept of a country of native people doesn't exists, especially not in USA or Germany these days. Politicians are totally useless in capitalism, since all the work is done by market, where richest people rule. Politicians are so goddamn useless these days, the only thing they do is transmit the messages to public based on what their investors told them that needs to be done.
>>68779425
Acts is a reference of what behavior was actually expected of Christians in the few years after Jesus' death
aka be a commie that commits suicide by roman to spread a jewish cult
The Devil went down to Georgia. He was lookin' for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind. He was willing to make a deal
When he came across this young man sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot.
And the Devil jumped upon a hickory stump and said "Boy, let me tell you what."
"I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you'd care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you.
Now you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the Devil his due.
I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul 'cause I think I'm better than you."
The boy said, "My name's Johnny, and it might be a sin,
But I'll take your bet; and you're gonna regret 'cause I'm the best there's ever been."
Johnny, rosin up your bow and play your fiddle hard.
'Cause Hell's broke loose in Georgia and the Devil deals the cards.
And if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold,
But if you lose the devil gets your soul.
The Devil opened up his case and he said, "I'll start this show."
And fire flew from his fingertips as he rosined up his bow.
And he pulled the bow across the strings and it made an evil hiss.
And a band of demons joined in and it sounded something like this.
When the Devil finished, Johnny said, "Well, you're pretty good ol' son,
But sit down in that chair right there and let me show you how it's done."
"Fire on the Mountain." Run, boys, run!
The Devil's in the house of the rising sun;
Chicken's in the bread pan picking out dough.
Granny, does your dog bite? No, child, no.
The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.
And he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet.
Johnny said, "Devil, just come on back. If you ever wanna try again,
I done told you once—you son of a bitch—I'm the best that's ever been."
And he played:
"Fire on the Mountain." Run, boys, run!
The Devil's in the house of the rising sun;
The chicken's in the bread pan picking out dough.
Granny, will your dog bite? No, child, no.
>>68779476
>If God wanted you to be a leech, he would have made you one.
So he decided instead of me, against my free will? And this somehow does not making him a commie?
>>68779792
>acts are not part of Cucktinaty
Pretty much yeah. It's been fun watching your episode by the way.
>>68779792
>literally say "Jesus was a commie"
>proceed to post a picture of Jesus under which are words Jesus never said
T I P P I T Y
T O P
There is a house down in New Orleans they call the rising sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor girl and me, oh God, I'm one.
My mother was a tailor, she sewed these new blue jeans
My sweetheart was a gambler, Lord, down in New Orleans.
Now the only thing a gambler needs is a suitcase and a trunk
And the only time when he's satisfied is when he's on a drunk.
He fills his glasses up to the brim and he'll pass the cards around
And the only pleasure he gets out of life is rambling from town to town.
Oh tell my baby sister not to do what I have done
But shun that house in New Orleans they call the rising sun.
Well with one foot on the platform and the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans to wear that ball and chain.
I'm going back to New Orleans, my race is almost run.
I'm going back to end my life down in the rising sun.
There is a house in New Orleans they call the rising sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor girl and me, oh God, I'm one.
>>68780333
"Expected" by whom?
Certainly not God by necessity, since God never says a thing in Acts.
You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Go tell that long tongue liar
Go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Well my goodness gracious let me tell you the news
My head's been wet with the midnight dew
I've been down on bended knee talkin' to the man from Galilee
He spoke to me in the voice so sweet
I thought I heard the shuffle of the angel's feet
He called my name and my heart stood still
When he said, "John go do My will!"
Go tell that long tongue liar
Go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's done in the dark will be brought to the light
You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Go tell that long tongue liar
Go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut you down
>>68767763
>what is charity
>what is social security
you know that christ was in favor of the first and would be against the second ?
kill yourself
An old cowboy went ridin out one dark and windy day
Upon a ridge he rested as he went along his way
When all at once a mighty herd of red-eyed cows he saw
Plowin through the ragged skies and up a cloudy draw
Their brands were still on fire and their hooves were made of steel
Their horns were black and shiny and their hot breath he could feel
A bolt of fear went through him as they thundered through the sky
For he saw the riders comin hard and he heard their mournful cries
Yippie I ohhh ohh ohh
Yippie I aye ye ye
Ghost riders in the sky
Their faces gaunt, their eyes were blurred
Their shirts all soaked with sweat
He's ridin hard to catch that herd
But he ain't caught em yet
Cause they got to ride forever in that range up in the sky
On horses snortin fire as they ride on hear their cries
As the riders loped on by him he heard one call his name
'If you wanna save your soul from hell a-ridin on our range
Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride
Tryin to catch the devil's herd across these endless skies
Yippie I ohhh oh oh
Yippie I aye ye ye
Ghost riders in the sky
Ghost riders in the sky
Ghost riders in the sky
>>68780472
It's almost like you want to get bitch slapped, you ungrateful jerk.
"Free will" is a farce. Want proof from the Bible? Here's some:
Psalm 139:16 "You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
Rom 9:21 "Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? "
Joh 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." (Jesus' words)
God's not a communist anymore than he's a capitalist or socialist. He is who he said he is: God. Don't try to attach false labels men use against each other.
I lit out from Reno, I was trailed by twenty hounds
Didn't get to sleep last night 'till the morning came around.
Set out runnin' but I take my time
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.
Ran into the devil, babe, he loaned me twenty bills
I spent the night in Utah in a cave up in the hills.
Set out runnin' but I take my time, a friend of the devil is a friend of mine,
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.
I ran down to the levee but the devil caught me there
He took my twenty dollar bill and vanished in the air.
Set out runnin' but I take my time
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.
Got two reasons why I cry away each lonely night,
The first one's named Sweet Anne Marie, and she's my hearts delight.
The second one is prison, babe, the sheriff's on my trail,
And if he catches up with me, I'll spend my life in jail.
Got a wife in Chino, babe, and one in Cherokee
The first one says she's got my child, but it don't look like me.
Set out runnin' but I take my time,
A friend of the devil is a friend of mine,
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep to
>>68782079
Omniscience =/= determinism.
This shit has been argued to death and back again. Go away Calvinist.
>>68781022
There is one specific part of the Bible, where Jesus puts an actual requirement on becoming his disciple. I am of course talking about Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple."
Here we see a first glance at what being a Christian means: it means spreading a mind-meme at the expense of your own existence and your biological loyalties and needs. As if that wasn't enough, he completes it with a reference to the cross, the favorite roman method of execution, and a call to their followers to embrace their own execution, like the fungus that hijacks the mind of ants and forces them to commit suicide so that spores will rain over unsuspecting ants.
At its core then, Christianity is a mind-virus that destroys the organism and its genetic interests in order to spread, it is anti-selective, and what is happening in Europe right now, is what happens when an entire continent decides to submit to their execution so that they can broadcast the righteousness of their mind-meme.
For the last 2000 years, there has been a fight between this mind-virus and the european biological interests, both within the European governments and the Europeans Churches, with the Catholic Church being forced to squash the mind virus whenever it presented itself too openly, be it self-flagellants or cathars, but the Church itself was the source where the spores were coming. After the reformation, the mind-virus has escaped any sort of control, and now had evolved into new forms, among them liberation theology, marxisms and modern atheistic progressivism, as the mind-virus mutates away from its original form and into political shapes.
But they all have one thing in common: Destruction of your biological interests in order to broadcast the righteousness of a mind-meme
>>68782258
If God then obeying Him is absolutely what you should do. It's only "at the expense" of oneself if it's not indeed true that God is the Almighty Creator. And Christians hold that He is, so your argument means absolutely nothing to a Christian. You're literally talking to no one.
>>68781366
Johnny Cash <3
>>68782489
It means a lot to borderline religious, conservative people that may leave the religion because it implies tribal betrayal in the name of a crazy jewish cult
For a true believer, in fact, the argument means nothing, as the virus turned him into a puppet
>>68767763
A manual for personal behavior is not a good way to organize society.
If you recall God gave us free will so we had the choice to either act kindly or sinfully.
So communism is the antithesis to Christianity.
>>68782489
It's that people use God as a proxy to push their beliefs
I always saw christianity as "We have a fucked up world, let's try to be human while possible, we know if we try to change this world it will end as worse than before because it's intrinsicately evil, but we can still try to be human as a personal decision"
If you try to be human as a government decision it ends being fucked up because any form of humanity that is not personal will end being perverted
>>68782638
Instantiate "biological interests" as an objective value. I'll wait.
>>68782948
Survival of the genetics of the organism into the future generation: basically what every single organism on the planet strives after
>>68782923
People do that with all manner of things. Atheist progressives constantly evoke relativism to deflect criticism away from their sacred cows in "other cultures".
>>68783103
Atheist progressives are people that actually believe that Jesus meant what he said, and cuck for their enemies accordingly
Having other cultures as sacred cows makes no sense outside of a christian moralistic context
>>68783070
Why should *anyone care* about that?
Most people could believe murdering every person named Kyle were their utmost goal in life, and thus it would be what they strived after. That wouldn't instantiate "killing Kyles" as an objective value.
>>68782923
Also, if you see Jesus behaviour, he purposely avoided trying to being a massive phophet, it's like he knew that if he gave big speeches it would end being perverted in the end, he exclusively went with a small group of people and didn't want to make massive miracles
That's how i see it, so in my day to day life i'm part of the world but at the same time i try to guard my humanity
>>68783220
No - they *defend and promote* sin. Christians condemn it with every breath. Christian theology has not even a whiff of relativism - Christianity promotes moral absolutism.
>>68783255
Why would any person care about submitting to a jewish war god to live in a bland utopia worshiping him to no ends?
>>68783440
What ever happened to "Do not judge"?
Have you ever actually read the Gospel at all?
>>68767763
Christianity and communism are nothing alike. You are not forced to give up anything under Christianity... Stop being a retarded faggot.
>>68782236
>Hurr muh freedom
>Hurr durr muh Arminianism
Well I'm opening the floodgates. GOD has free will because he's God. Or you think you are the same as Yahweh?
And I'm not a Calvinist. I'm a Yasharite. Big difference, bud.
>>68783451
Because God created the universe and established serving Him as an objective value, embedded in the very fabric of existence.
>>68783520
T O P
L E L
We don't judge *PEOPLE*. We *DEFINITELY* judge *SIN*. God tells us exactly what sin is, and where we see it we condemn it. The *ALMIGHTY RIGHTEOUS GOG* will judge *people*. I've got no problems whatsoever leaving that to Him.
>>68783714
> You are not forced to give up anything under Christianity
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple."
HURR DURR I WANNA GET A DIVINE REWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO FORFEIT THIS WORLD
>>68783757
A determinist is a determinist. You all believe the same inconsistent garbage.
>>68783440
>>68783255
that's what is important in christianity above other religions, Jesus christ is in psychobabble terms the universal made individual, and the individual made universal, christianity is a very individual religion that's why there can be christians that can be against other christians in world matters while at the same time believing in the same
It's the religion that permites you to be critical of any position of power and at the same time value order over chaos. Christianity above all is a very personal religion and the church is as the Law is a perverted view of it
in itself the church should be the consegration of christians, but keeping the individuality of every one
I'm a strong believer that christianity offers the buffer for collectivists ideologies like NatSoc or Communism because it provides a personal experience where you can congregate with others and experience being with others without labels or positions of power (so you can deal with the harsh reality better that way)
>>68783815
> citation needed
Why would anyone assume that the Jewish War God created the universe?
If you were born in Arabia you would believe the same shit but about Allah
>>68783815
Then why do you judge atheist progressives?
>>68767763
Socialism should permit gay rights yet homos were hated in the CCCP.
The devil in hell we're told was chained a thousand years he there remained
He neither complain nor did he groan but was determined to start a hell of his own
Where he could torment the souls of men without being chained in a prison pen
So he asked the Lord if he had on hand anything left when he made this land
The Lord said yes there's a plenty of hand but if I left it down by the Rio Grande
The fact is ol' boy the stuff is so poor
I don't think you could use it as the hell anymore
But the devil went down to look at the truck
And said if he took it as a gift he was stuck
For after lookin' that over carefully and well he said this place is too dry for hell
But in order to get it off his hand the Lord promised the devil to water the land
So trade was closed and deed was given and the Lord went back to his home in heaven
And the devil said now I got all what's needed to make it good hell and he succeeded
He began by putting thorns all over the trees
He mixed up the sand with millions of fleas
He scattered tarantulas along the road put thorns on cactus and horns on toad
Lengthened the horns of the Texas steer put an addition to the rabbits ear
Put a little devil in the bronco steed and poisoned the feet of the centipede
The rattlesnake bites you the scorpion stings
The mosquito delights you with his buzzing wings
The sunburst are there and so the ants
And if you sit down you'll need have soles on your pants
The wild boar rooms on a black chaparral it's a hell of a place that he has for hell
The heat in the summers are hundred and ten too hot for the devil too hot for men
The red pepper grows upon the banks of the brook
The Mexican use it in all that he cook
Just dine it with one of 'em and you're bound to shout
I've hell on the inside as well as it out
My hands are calloused July to July I use a Big Dipper to navigate by
Fight off the wolves to drink from my well so I have to be mean as hell
>>68784006
I agree with that take. Catholics absolutely can't stand the notion that people wouldn't be dependent on them, since they're collectivists, and hate the idea that people might be servant to God alone.
>>68784104
Why would you assume your hand is attached to your arm? You could be in a computer simulation wherein your arm doesn't even exist.
Yet there you are - believing it anyway.
>Then why do you judge atheist progressives?
I don't - I judge sin. People who are atheist progressives necessarily promote sin, so I attack the attributes in conjunction - "atheist" + "progressive". Human =/= beliefs they possess. I can attack ideologies that promote sin and not judge individuals themselves.
>>68784492
Why believe in the one religion with a book filled with historical inaccuracies and all sort of bad advice?
>>68784492
> Human =/= beliefs they possess.
Aren't humans essentially what they think, insofar we are intellectual animals?
Surely you feel that if Christianity is attacked, you are yourself attacked, that is part of your identity
>>68767763
Read the parable of the talents(Matthew 25:14-30), Jesus highly valued personal investment and encouraged property. Also, if Jesus was a commie why have we waited for Marx to invent communism.
>>68770498
kek, underrated
>>68784665
Because I want to, just like you want to believe your hand is attached to your arm.
>>68784665
>Aren't humans essentially what they think
No. Humans are essentially themselves. Soul. Essence. Spirit.
>Surely you feel that if Christianity is attacked, you are yourself attacked, that is part of your identity
No, I don't. Christianity is not part of my identity - I am identical to myself. That impinges on absolutely nothing else.
>>68784699
> encouraged property
where?
Not only that would contradict everything he said about rejecting treasures and things of value in this world, but that parable contains nothing even close to saying "I am Jesus and I approve of personal property"
He is saying that he expects that his followers will convert even more people, trying to imply he is trying to giving financial advice is just bizarre insofar he has no wordly concerns and even said that being rich would make you going to Heaven almost impossible
>>68773556
SHOTS FIRED
>>68784982
> Souls
> a thing
We are now entering metaphysics, so it is pointless to debate
>>68783757
i googled yasharite and it just came up with porn videos
>>68785153
It's only pointless if you arbitrarily adopt axioms that reject metaphysical reasoning outright. You construct barriers around what you're willing to talk about out of your own whim, while haughtily maintaining you're not doing so. It's laughable.
>ITT: based anti-commie bulgaria and anti-christian Panama fight master cvcks slovenia and USA
>>68785410
how does one even debate metaphysics given the impossibility of using the scientific method to prove any statement?
>>68786701
Why do you insist on the scientific method as your qualification for talking about anything at all? All the fundaments of empiricism consist in completely logically invalid justification for use of inductive reasoning.
It's logically incoherent.
>>68767763
Ok thanks for your opinion Ahmed.
>>68788703
> dat page 10 save
why tho?
the debate over and we can't debate about things that are imaginary at best
>>68787026
Rationalism doesn't get you to the conclusion that immaterial souls exist either.
>>68788863
You can assume this or that is imaginary all you want - you can't establish anything outside "there are thoughts" as actually *being* non-imaginary as a certainty.
>>68789092
No, but it also doesn't rule it out out of hand.
>>68789143
we can assume that the real world exists for discussions concerning the real world
In this case the dysgenic effect of otherwordly religion on Europe
>>68789190
So what is your point?
There are drawbacks to empiricism and rationalism
>>68789314
>we can assume the real world exists
I can also assume it doesn't, or that there are souls, or anything else that isn't logically contradictory.
You arbitrarily insist on boxing yourself into a certain line of thinking and ruling out anything else ultimately out of nothing but your fancy.
>>68789367
Empiricism is necessarily logically incoherent. Rationalism isn't.
>>68789533
How?
>>68789578
Problem of induction.
>>68789601
The problem of induction is a problem for science. Not empiricism.
>>68789497
We can assume that what we can confirm with our senses exists more readily than what we can't
Occam's razor
>>68789838
It's for empiricism. Empiricism depends on justification for use of induction.
>>68789867
Occam's Razor is an informal argumentative device meant to make things easier on people. It has nothing to do with truth or logic.
You can *assume* that all you want. But it's a completely logically unjustified assumption.
>>68774890
I still don't see any forcing going on. The people who wanted to do good and give to the poor gave, the ones who needed it for themselves kept it.
My only qualm might be that I fear the poor would waste what they're given.
>>68789915
How does that make it logically incoherent?
It means that the empiricist makes a non-sequitor when they assume that the future will be like the past.
>>68767763
and he was an invention
>>68790314
Logically invalid arguments are logically incoherent - nothing is said if there's no connection between premises and conclusions.
>>68790477
Present a syllogism of how they are invalid or incoherent.
I have never heard the tem "incoherent" used in a philosophical sense.
>>68790265
it is forced if there is a clear threat of violence, even if the violence occurs in a bizarre other world
>>68790073
for the purpose of a website for political discussion about the real world, to assume that the real world exists is a pre-requesite
>>68790592
Can't be made sense of. There's no sense in an argument in which a conclusion simply does not follow from the premises.
It doesn't say anything.
p1)Dogs are dogs
p2)Cats are cats
c)Dogs are cats
The argument is incoherent - there's no argument. Nothing is being said.
>>68771586
Note how the Asian is first in the picture, then comes the Black guy and last but no least the some Arabic looking women.
>Americans still butt hurt about 9/11
>>68790873
No it isn't. I don't have to assume a real world to talk about it. Just like I don't have to assume Narnia exists to talk about Narnia.
>>68790902
so non-sequitor?
>>68790983
if you want to talk about Narnia you can go to /tv/
i'm gonna say this and kill myself.
I am a commie and this is bullshit.
>>68791120
It's more general.
Square circles are red.
Red is a color.
Square circles have color.
That's not a non-sequitur but it's still incoherent.
>>68791216
So you relegate talk about the real world to having no more intrinsic importance of subject that anything else. Great.
>>68791465
Yes that is a non-sequitor.
the conclusion does not follow from the premise.
>>68791627
It does colloqiually. If you wanted to be an ass, change the conclusion to "square circles are a color" - it's still incoherent and not a non-sequitor.
>>68791624
You are the one that seems to think that the real world is no more relevant than Narnia
That is a personal opinion, debating can't change that
>>68791778
Perhaps you mean to say logically inconsistent?
That it does not obey the law of identity or law of non-contradiction.
Seriously, I have never heard the term "incoherent" used by a philosopher of logic.
What was the number of churches and priests in russia in 1918? And later when communism happened? Yeah, pretty sure he wouldn't be a commie.
>>68791798
So you more explicitly admit the value of what is being talked about is entirely subjective and there's no way you can assert your values as being objective. So I was right all along.
>>68782948
>>68783070
Great.
>>68792056
I said that from the beginning
debating about metaphysics in a political board is retarded
One needs to assume that the real world is actually relevant in order to engage in politics
>>68792028
No, I mean incoherent. Incoherent meaning cannot be made sense of or conveying no meaning. If you want to use "meaningless" you can use that too. I think 'incoherent' makes people more upset to invoke against what they're arguing, so I use that since I take some modicum of pleasure in making people uncomfortable in positions I don't like.
>>68792206
You tried to argue for objective valuation of "biological interests". So that's not what you said from the beginning at all.
>>68792030
> Russia is one of the most christian nations of Europe
> becomes communist in the lapse of 5 years
> Orthodox Church recognizes the new state 10 years later
Christianity is either useless to prevent communist, and is an enabler to it
>>68792223
Well, even in your example it can still be made sense of in logical symbolism.
Simply replace it with:
If A then B
A
Therefore B.
The form is valid, but square circle is logically inconsistent.
Stop making up terms.
>>68792465
There's no sense there.
Nothing is being said.
I'll continue calling it incoherent, which isn't a made up term but conveys a very colloquially understood meaning that makes people upset to have levied against their propositions.
>>68767763
Gtfo azis
>>68792354
I argued that biological interests were contradicted by Christianity
After that you tried to shift it into metaphysics, questioning the meaning of interest itself, making discussion pointless, as true value is entirely subjective
>>68792605
Symbols have meaning when you let A or B = something.
The definitions of square and circle are contradictory and as such can't be one thing.
They don't exist because of the law of identity.
Make up terms all you like, but don't expect people to get what you mean.
>>68792465
>>68792605
Keep in mind that's even from an empiricist perspective - if nothing is being token'd or represented, a priori tautologies aren't actually saying anything.
>>68792846
>Symbols have meaning when you let A or B = something.
Yes, but you need to actually do so.
The form has no meaning in and of itself.
>>68792875
I am not defending empiricism as the way to discover truth.
I just find your attack to be more fitting towards science.
>>68792770
I asked you a direct question and you tried to answer it.
>>68782948
>>68783070
>>68768153
actually this is rare. It's usually christfags posting le fedora meme trying to justify thier ridiculous beliefs.
>>68793000
They tend to be more often than not joined at the hip. The Vienna Circle was probably the start of that.
>>68767763
ahmed pls go
>>68793151
If you looked at archive histories I have very little doubt you'd find that's not the case.
