/pol/ completely BTFO by science once again !
http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/02/26/transgender-children-supported-in-their-identities-show-positive-mental-health/
>>68747448
that's a cute girl
>>68747448
>positive mental health
You know, except for the whole transgender thing
Why would they have negative mental health?
Surely they could just transition into positive mental health.
>>68747448
>it's likely the same canafag who takes it from his "girlfriend" who is also a tranny
>>68747448
>/pol/
>caring about science
Remember, this is a Christian board.
>>68747448
if you support someone's delusion then of course they'll start believing it.
>A fucking leaf
oh.
carry on then.
>>68747814
>I literally didn't read the article and I'm just going to pretend I know what I'm talking about
Good goy. Science is scary, just follow the propaganda like the good goy you are ;)
I imagine you could remove TRANSGENDER and IDENTITIES and get the same result:
>Children Supported Show Positive Mental Health
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
It has nothing to do with the kids being transgender, it has everything to do with them being supported in general.
>>68747930
see
>>68747952
When will you learn you silly leaf? This isn't something you need an article to prove. It's common sense.
>>68747547
>>68747814
People with this condition were born with a mismatch between what sex their body is, and what sex their brain is. Which of those two do you think is easier to fix? If you answered brain, you're wrong. We know very little about the brain, and there are lots and lots of ways to fuck it up. The body, on the other hand, at least as far as its physical sex goes, is relatively straightforward to change these days.
I honestly don't know why people have such a fucking issue understanding this.
>>68747728
Dude bend over and give me your Address, I'm on the way. My name is Bin Af-Lfek
>>68747448
I would fuck that, penis or no penis.
>>68748110
But anon, gender is a social construct.
>>68747755
>Durr durr christians deny science they are the ones who burned Kopernik and Halileo, durr durr
>>68747448
I'd fuck her.
>>68748227
;3
>>68748110
>the body is easier to fix than the brain!
explain why 'fixing' the body leads to such high suicide rates in trans people.
>>68747448
Yeah, until they turn 30-35 years old and start balding.
Then they kill themselves.
>>68748232
Thus why I used the word sex. They aren't the same thing.
>>68748110
I get it, what I don't like is when idealogues force it onto vulnerable people (such as children, or the clinically depressed) and convince them that they have a condition that they don't actually have. I also have a problem with said idealogues attempting to change the law to suit their agenda, which doesn't actually have the best interests of legitimately transgender people at heart
>>68748123
Salam Alacum Bin Af-Lfek, Matten Demian here, long time no see my friend.
>>68747952
Motherfucking this.
>>68747448
>children
Yeah get back to me when all these boys trying to get in on all that female privilege are old and can no longer come even close to passing
The mental health industry is fucking sick
>>68748292
After they are fixed you don't need to bother yourself with them. The surgeon already got his money.
>ITS A MAPLE POST
SEE THE FLAG
IGNORE THE SHIT ATTEMPT AT BANTS
ITS LIKE SEEING A PHILLIPINO FLAG ON HERE TRYING TO DISCUSS 1ST WORLD ISSUES KEK
>>68748326
Inshallah my brother
>>68747952
huh. good point.
>>68748292
I don't know that it does. Source?
Is that compared to gender dysphoric people that didn't undergo surgery?
And I'm sure studies would show that when you indulge in a schizophrenics delusions and tell them they aren't crazy they feel a bit better at first too
>hurr durr its science guise
>scientists have never accepted funding or political favors to purposely skew or redefine their results to fit a narrative
>haha btfo
>>68748292
Because the surgery is barbaric and a complete farce . Hormones are the only proven treatment >>68748301
You are quite uneducated it seems so let's explain . A trans girl taking estrogen and testosterone blockers will never get male pattern baldness because the testosterone is what triggers it. It's why it's only a male thing
>>68747448
Can children even get deprressed ?
>>68748403
actually yeah if they kill themselves post-surgery it means less degeneracy overall. good point pollack.
>>68748268
>>68748473
Huh, they have a better looking cock than mine.
kinda jelly
>>68748407
filipino part
>12 year old wants to perform permanent and life changing treatment to transition into another sex before puberty kicks in to do its natural job
"They deserve this right, they're making the choice based entirely on their own consent and reasoning. They're mature enough to handle this responsibility."
>12 year old consents with having sex with a 22 year old
"YOU MONSTER. YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF A CHILD WAY TOO YOUNG TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN! DO YOU KNOW THE IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE YOU'VE DONE TO THIS CHILD? THEY'RE TOO YOUNG TO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, YOU COULD HAVE MANIPULATED THEIR YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE MIND INTO SAYING YES. CHILDREN ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH SERIOUS AND LIFE CHANGING CHOICES ON THEIR OWN."
Before someone quotes me and says I'm a pedo, I'll clarify that when I was 23 I had regular consensual threesomes with two 15 year olds. We fucked on and off well until one was 18 and the other was 20, neither of them regretted it and they still keep contact with me for occasional flings.
So nah, not pedo.
>>68747448
>Deborah Bach
>Bach
SHUT IT DOWN
>>68748545
Reported to the police.
>>68748498
Women go bald too, senpai. Just not as many as men. You don't know because they wear wigs.
>>68747448
Thats not a guy is it?
>>68748533
Naw, pillpopper ew
also dick probably shrunk BAD
>>68748545
huh. something of a good point here
>>68748317
Do you have a problem with people pushing a gender identity onto a child though? Because that's what's traditionally been done, and that results in psychological problems for those those children as they grow up.
I think you're pointing to something that rarely, if ever, happens, honestly. I would guess the vast majority of the time, it's because the child insists on being treated as the opposite sex.
>>68748498
That's why that tranny porn star has such a great hairline right?
>>68748545
>strawmanning this hard
1st you can't start puberty blockers until about 14, full hormones until 16, and you can't have the surgery until you are 18. Is there any more autism from you?
>>68748498
>baldness is only a male thing!
http://www.dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/female-pattern-hairloss.html
kek, and you call me uneducated.
>>68748601
I can't link because I'm on mobile but just google male pattern baldness cause. It's hormonal related
>>68748484
Fucking this. Remember that half century ago homosexuality was considered as mental illness
>>68747448
>"The research found that the 73 children, age 3 to 12, had rates of depression and anxiety no higher than two control groups — their own siblings and a group of age- and gender-matched children."
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR OWN DATA SAYS, ASSHOLE
>>68747448
When has bullying ever not caused negative mental health?
God damn it, modern bullshit terms confusing me.
>>68747448
The association of American paediatricians call it child abuse. I agree with them.
>>68748774
Did you even understand what you read? The rates for depression and anxiety were almost identical between the transgender children and the non transgender control groups
>>68748917
Can't tell if bait or maplenigger. 5 and 4 deviations from the mean is not "identical". It's larger than the temperature metric climate scientists claim will wipe out all life on Earth, for example.
>>68748771
It is a mental illness
Gender is just how men and women are expected to behave. Of a little boy of girl says they want to behave like how the opposite sex generally behaves it's not a huge deal.
If a little boy or girl says they are in the wrong body they have a serious mental health issue.
>>68748110
Wait isn't gender a social construct according to nut cases like you?
Rofl
>>68748917
Depression and anxiety does not constitute whole spectrum of mental health. If you let someone psychotic indulge in his fantasy of being Jesus or Napoleon they would feel pretty good as well.
>>68749057
> I have no idea how percentages work
>OMG 4% is soooo huge on 74 people
Just stop posting it's embarrassing
>>68749129
This is not true though . It's been well documented that schizophrenia cannot be treated by pandering to their hallucinations . Just google it, I'm on mobile
>>68749070
Yes it is. But cucked goverment forced scientists to declare that it isnt
>>68749273
> I have no proof of my claim but I don't like the study so il just pretend it's not real
>>68748670
I think the abstraction of "gender identity" is too far removed from reality to have any applicable use.
People are born with male or female sex, or are intersex. There are many outliers when it comes to physical conformations and sex chromosomes, but the two primary genders - male and female - are not merely arbitrations; they are the overwhelming average of sex phenotypes on this planet. Therefore you aren't "pushing" anything when you assign a sex to a person, you are simply conforming to the law of averages. It's not discriminatory or ideological, it's just mathematics. You don't look at all the outliers and subsequently decide to invalidate 95% of the conforming data just because those outliers don't happen to fall into the trend.
>I think you're pointing to something that rarely, if ever, happens, honestly. I would guess the vast majority of the time, it's because the child insists on being treated as the opposite sex.
Unfortunately we don't have any particularly accurate studies regarding the matter, and the scientific and cultural discussions about the topic have been mired in so much dogma that it's unlikely that we ever will
>>68749258
You are not talking about treatment. You are talking about making them feel good for some time\ until the reality hits them in the face.
>>68749057
>temperature = happiness
lol nigger
>>68749350
ITS A FUCKING RED LEAF!!!!
>>68748110
Well if it makes little Jimmy not want to kill himself I guess I will get on my hands and knees and call him a cute little princess. Then once that grab for attention ends I'll be forced to call them a penguin and understand how they are omnisexual.
If you are so ready to pump hormones into children you better find a way to accurately find a way to diagnose it instead of just taking the word of hormone crazed teenagers.
>>68749170
the shitposting is real.
it's time for you to go back.
>>68749485
>moving goalposts this much
the problem problem is that most of them are suicidal and unhappy . If you support them this problem goes away
>>68748711
He said male patterned baldness is only a male thing you fucking retard
>>68749626
Would you like me to play pretend with you?
I can even put you in a pen with some dolls and a princess castle if that's what you want. We can scare off that mean old nasty reality for good!
>>68749350
>dont understands sarcasm
>thinks that people unironnicly says that
Thats how pol works I think
>>68747448
3 to 12 . Not hit the problems of puberty yet, at least not fully. Come back when the survivors are 30.
>>68749350
Have fun. Check out the first link for more
http://pastebin.com/aiTLKLJc
https://archive.today/Z85EL
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2500537
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3949087/Abused-more-likely-to-be-gay
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-94-to-95-percent-of-hiv-cases-among-boys-and-young-men-linked-to-gay-se
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/Populations/msm.htm
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/drug-use-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html
https://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity
http://www.queerty.com/meth-fueled-gay-orgies-london-20130606
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf
http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101628/gay-marriages-jewish-pioneer
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4351192,00.html
http://rense.com/general73/judm.htm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/04/the-media-is-not-biased-toward-gay-marriage-it-is-promoting-it/
>>68748110
It's kids confused by puberty following a fad that gets adults to fawn over them, retard
>>68749749
Your bait isn't very good, gonna have to try harder sorry
>>68747448
For fuck sake will you stop bringing this topic up.
I expect /pol/ to be the one place where we don't have to talk about this mental illness. I fucking hate that I have that perverse desire inside me.
TRIGGERED.
>>68747952
we need to go back to ignoring our kids sexuality, all this observation makes them horny
>>68749858
>I fucking hate that I have that perverse desire inside me.
Have you tried to seek help?
>>68749816
> a bunch of anti gay links
>being so retarded you think gay men and trainnies are the same thing
I know braziliand were dumb but geez you take it to a new level
>>68747448
AND THE WINNER OF DARWIN AWARD IS.....
A FAGGOT
>>68749913
Yes. But therapists suck.
"Stop repressing, it only makes it worse"
"Accept yourself"
"Shield of masculinity"
Basically all of them advocate me taking hormones and giving in like a little bitch.
All I want in treatment is a fix so I'm not bothered by it anymore. So I can be comfortable in my assigned gender and be a normal non degenerate man.
Thank fuck for /pol/ though.
Logic and reason keep my feelings and emotions from taking over.
>>68749957
1. Check the fucking pastebin you fucking leaf
2. Follow the reply chain, you were replying to posts discussing homosexuality
>>68748258
>I'd fuck her
Fuck her right in the pussy
>>68749378
>I think the abstraction of "gender identity" is too far removed from reality to have any applicable use.
What? Girls play with dolls, have long hair, and wear dresses, while boys play with trucks and guns and keep their hair short. If you're a boy who wants to look like a girl and do girl things, then your "gender identity" doesn't match your biological sex, get it?
>>68750199
Haha! Classic
>>68747448
>/pol/ completely BTFO by jewish therapist and leftist lies again !
keks
>>68748498
Until they go off hormones. So someone gets stranded for a year without their meds and then they go bald and the process starts. Meds are not a permanent solution.
>>68747529
>girl
>>68747448
>positive mental health
Thats a strange way to spell suicidal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
>>68749957
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
This proves trannies are cured of their delusions with common anti-psychotics.
The study liked in this thread proves that children encouraged in their mental dysphoria become measurably unhappier, depressed and anxious.
There's nothing to debate.
>>68749585
People's bodies already start pumping hormones at puberty, which if the person is gender dysphoric, are going to be highly unwanted. Ideally, hormones (natural or otherwise) would be delayed until their mature enough to figure out what they want. Once they've started though, it's harder to take the other route.
>>68750490
>This proves
it doesnt prove anything. you cant give something to one patient and call it a study
>>68747448
>tfw You used to be a top COH player and plenty of people liked your replays and guides, etc.
>You quit around 2009/10
>you come back in 2016 to COH2, starting to relearn, pretty bad still, but getting decent.
>you check the forums
>You recognize an old name of someone you used to play with.
>They are now a transgender.
Shit like this hurts my soul man.
>>68749817
I'd ask for proof of that, but I doubt you have any. If you're implying that it represents a majority, or even a significant minority of transgender people, I'd say you're dead wrong.
>>68750635
man FUCK YOU ! now i'm afraid to find old friends.
>>68750490
Will this work?
Gimme gimme gimme
GIMME THAT SWEET CURE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tvb7odzhRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKGwIoeozq0
>mfw
>>68750164
orrrrrrrrrr
you could start taking hormones and taking it up the ass then kill yourself by the age 40
Bullshit
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
>>68748248
Ebin XDDD
What happens when they grow old and the uncanny valley effect hits?
It's clear that this is a body image problem. They want to look like girls and be considered girls. But when they hit 40, nobody on the planet will believe it and they'll be even more desperate and suicidal than if the root causes were addressed when young.
>>68750788
It take more strength to resist it.
To be someone with a mental illness. But with all your strength. Resist the compulsion to fall to its corruption. No matter what the whispers in your head say.
>>68747448
>survey conducted on the age of 3-12 by pseudo science majors
>survey group outside of the range when hormones kick in and turn mentall ill efffiminate faggots into ugly trannies and everyone kills themself
>the science is real in our mind
Could have just conducted survey on a rock and come to the same conclusions.
>>68751087
maybe 30 years from now medical science will help them, but probably not
>>68747448
Except that transgender in itself is called gender dysphoria.. enabling a mental delusion != good mental health..
>>68751129
good luck m8
i hope that you are masculine enough to pull that off
>>68751129
what do you gain by resisting?
youre probably going to be miserable no matter what you do.
and the older you get the lower your T levels fall naturally, so repressing gets harder and harder. do you have a solution for that?
>>68747448
Yeah sure...
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
>>68747448
Yeah, for now.
Come back in 15-20 years you fucking retard, when they're dropping like flies.
Alright.
Do it again in 10 years time when they have actual thoughts and feelings.
Children aren't real people, they don't know shit about shit.
>>68747448
>>68748110
>>68751337
There was a time where the risk of corruption was close. Too close.
But now. my shield is strong and my armour is impenetrable.
My drug is test. The gym is my temple.
The male side is going to win.
>>68751610
that sort of talk sounds like you're going to crumble fairly soon
>>68747448
>they suicide 5 years later instead of 3
>>68747642
Toppest of keks
>>68747448
they dont have positive mental health if they can't handle not being supported.
Everyone has positive mental health no matter what their condition if their every whim is pandered too.
>>68748110
like pedophiles you mean ? they are born that way they didn't choose to be child molesters afterall
>>68751488
Because it it what I must do. For Honour. For Pride.
I do not see this as a fight within myself. But a defence against an unwelcome and inappropriate presence in my own mind.
Two people inside one. If you will. Both vying for control.
Needless to say. I am winning. And one day I am confident I can kill it.
"What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?"
>>68752024
What exactly are you resisting? Like what urges do you have? You want to wear a dress? To cook? To take it up the ass?
>>68747755
>>68750946
>>68752024
I tried to do the exact same thing, but eventually I just lost. I realized the male side didnt really exist. it was just a front, a mask, not fit to influence anything on the inside.
I dont really know what the best solution would be for you, but I honestly hope you get to be happy eventually
>>68751681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNXxyr0mSA
Even as I'm replying in this thread. I've already supplied my body with delicious test through my heavy weights.
I will destroy myself before I surrender.
>>68752129
Do not speak of it so directly. But you are correct.
But it remains a part of my mind I have quarantined, isolated and greatly weakened with great effort.
Adam give me strength.
>>68747448
>less depression and anxiety
No shit nigger. The problem is that instead of fixing their mental illness the doctors are just indulging it. It's a bad fucking idea because they're unstable enough to begin with.
>>68752217
You underestimate my will to win.
I entertain the idea that these thoughts are not mine at all and that I am possessed by a daemon. Which is desperately trying to turn me.
>>68752630
how old are you?
are you presenting as a straight guy or as a fag?
>>68751129
Literally what most of the hons who repressed those feelings until their 30's thought. They will never go away, the sooner you transition the more of your life will be spent where you're actually comfortable with yourself, and the more likley you'll be to pass. You'll never pass for everyone and without surgery some people will always be able to tell, but living like that is much more preferable to living in a mans body.
>>68752630
gas yourself avatarfag
>>68748110
Biology doesn't work like that.
You don't just grow a "female liver" or a "female hand."
You know, OP, if you're going to talk science, you should at least have the courtesy to link to the actual study rather than just the PR line.
First thing that pops out is that SES isn't controlled for. The transgender families are a LOT richer than the control.
Reading the whole thing properly will take more time than the lifespan of a 4chan thread, but also I have to wonder at what the accuracy rate for diagnosing children under 10 with GID is.
The study has 30 children ages 3 to 5. Since diagnostics on this community is supposed to be conservative, the children are supposed to have serious issues for them to get a GID diagnosis in the first place.
So the timeline is: They behave in such a way that they're going to the doctor. They get a diagnosis of GID. They socially transition. All this happens before age 5, and they're exhibiting no significant difference in mental health?
Stuff a Kholberg in my Piaget and blame it on my mother, but I'm waiting for some followup studies.
I'm also curious to see what the post pubecent outcomes of this cohort turns out to be.
>>68752004
I agree. Pedophiles can't help who/what they're attracted to. They're still responsible for their actions, of course, and need to be held accountable if they hurt people. But fundamentally, pedophilia is like a sexual orientation - an intrinsic trait of an individual's make up. I think the cultural attitude towards pedophiles is destructive and largely counter productive. They need understanding and help (if they want it), not to be shunned and treated like monsters (again, unless they actually do something to warrant it).
>>68752251
>>68752521
>>68752630
M8 you can do girly shit without being a transfag or faggotfag. You're right to draw a line though, and you're not alone because almost everyone has degenerate sexual urges that they have to resist. (The problem is that they're gradually becomming more acceptable.)
>>68747448
What about the ones that go unsupported?
They still kill themselves?
It's still a mental disorder
>>68747448
>transgender children
Well son, I saw you playing with a doll
This means that deep down you want to be a girl off comes the penis
>>68752686
22.
Completely straight to any onlooker.
Such desires are to be suppressed and controlled. I am no bestial weakling who gives into pleasures of the flesh.
I don't even masturbate. Discipline is my closest ally
>>68752701
I shall opt for death. I will NEVER EVER surrender.
>>68747448
>Not letting the qts become trannies
>Not plowing their boipucci.
What a bunch of fags you guys are, they literally want to be cocksleves and you guys are saying "but mom I don't want it!"
>>68752731
I will destroy. Whelp.
Good good. Feed my rage. Feed my anger. My hate. Release the righteous fury.
>>68753014
You're 22, just transition while you still have the chance you colossal retard. This masculinity fetish you have will wear off like with all the other repressed trannies like the ones who join the marines or start body building. What reason do you have to not transition? Because it's "degenerate" or somthing? That's literally just a fucking meme, there is nothing noble about letting yourself suffer because you're too afraid of change.
Cite me one paediatrician that encourages this.
Just one.
>>68752757
But you do grow "female breasts" and "female genitals." And I would argue that many other body parts, including hands, are on average different between males and females. Females will tend to have smaller hands, for example.
As far as brain differences between sexes, they do exist, but much like gender itself, those differences occupy a continuum. See for example:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28582-scans-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-or-female-brain/
>>68747448
Fucking stupid. ANY kids who receive positive support from parents will have more positive mental health.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbIUyWJyu1s
YOU MAY HAVE INVADED MY MIND AND MY BODY. BUT THERES ONE THING A MAN ALWAYS KEEPS!
HIS PRIDE!
>>68753014
Don't listen to that anon, the US government has been testing a pill that suppresses and removes the desire to not only cross-dress, but get a sex change operation as well.
Stay strong anon, help is around the corner.
>>68753413
I think the whole transition makes you happy thing is a meme as well. I am definitely not happy. Even though I got lucky in most respects.
>>68753334
It is a lie. Your path only leads me to death quicker. To become a freak.
I will NOT allow that to happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbIUyWJyu1s
>>68753442
Make whatever mistakes you want, I'm just telling you that in 10 years time you'll wish that you transitioned now.
>>68753561
>>68753413
oh, that was misquoted, sorry,
it was meant for
>>68753334
>>68753612
>>68747448
>children can't decide to have sex
>children can decide to change sex
This tranny bullshit is a slippery slope to legalized pedophilia
>>68747448
If being a tranny is so healthy, then why did you post and actual woman? Why not post a tranny as your picture promoting trannyism?
>>68753490
The Lord has granted me my salvation. And for my vigilance. Respite from this curse shall be my reward.
I will hold on to this. Anon.
Thank you.
>>68753612
It only drops the 41% suicide rate to ~30%
So it's definitely bullshit, once they realize they've irreversibly fucked their bodies up, they give up.
>>68753612
I am not a man who has regrets.
I forge my own destiny.
In ten years. I will be the same. If not stronger than before.
>>68748110
>The body, on the other hand, at least as far as its physical sex goes, is relatively straightforward to change these days.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I'm sure you are about to post just one passable tranny to prove your point..... Any moment now......
>>68752701
>>68753334
>>68753612
Fuck off you degenerates. You should be trying to help him not encourage his condition.
>>68753589
You were born trans, you can't change that by lifting. The fast track to a shorter life is to continue to not treat your dysphoria. Of course it's not magic that will turn you into a cis girl, but it has the potential to make you comfortable in your own skin, I speak from experiance. Don't buy into pole memes like fixing it without transitioning, the people saying that have no idea about being trans and are loterally just making up bullshit. No antipsychotic or steroid or mental tricks will change your brain structure, you'll have these feelings for the rest of your life and while they might be bearable now they will ware you down until you either try and transition when it's too late and you're in your 30's or you'll just kill yourself.
>>68753818
stop confusing self reported attempted (ATTEMPTED) suicide with actual suicide.
>>68747448
if by "positive mental health" you mean excluding the fact that they want to cut off their sexual organs and completely forego any social norms of their respective genders, then yes. thats possible.
>>68748167
It's an actual woman, not a tranny.
>>68747448
BREAKING NEWS: Children who are told they are perfect by literally everyone experience positive mental health!!! SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH!!
Fucking morons.
>>68753561
I think there's a general truth to that - if you're looking to any single thing that if you just had it, you could be happy, it won't. Whether it's money, a girlfriend, or a sex change - getting it finally won't make you happy. Happiness comes from within; you can choose it, and you can choose it even while having nothing at all.
>>68753877
Everyone forges their own destiny, your actions weave your wyrd. Right now it's pretty easy to see how yours will come together if you continue to do what you're doing. You're taking the easier path by refusing to confront your feelings and accept them. Accepting them is hard to do but once you do that and accept who you are and let go of your shame about being trans you'll be a lot happier.
>>68753929
There attempts to corrupt me only strengthen my resolve.
I shall never fall.
In a world where others would give in.
I RESIST.
>>68753980
Mind over matter. For nearly a decade I have succeeded in reducing the size and power of these feelings.
And I have been granted many rewards. My independence.
Money and a job that I love.
My hormones come from my own bodily organs.
My will is indomitable. For I am aided by God himself who in his infinite kindness. Has given me the power to resist.
>>68753561
The mental part of transition is just as important as the physical one. I'll never be a pretty or cute girl, I don't care. I'm fine being an ogress, I'm a lot happier this way.
>>68748110
So how exactly does this work?
Either:
1. It's a mental disorder
2. Souls exist and are gendered and there can be a mismatch because there was an error in the soul-making or assigning machine or God made a mistake.
Even if we go with 2. and reincarnation, if there was leftover karmic stuff from it affecting it, it'd still be a disorder.
>>68747448
>implying that scientists were never wrong or never lied
>implying that scientists can't be pressured by higher ups or bribed
>Deborah Bach
>Bach
Mutilating your genitals isn't healthy sempaifag
Feels great to be a normie, you sorry ass degeneratives.
>>68753880
Thing is, you only notice the ones that don't pass. Also, it's going to be a lot harder to pass if one has already gone through puberty before starting hormones, which is going to be most of them.
Anyway, watch this and tell me that this person doesn't convincingly pass for a girl: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nicole-born-identical-twin-boys-now-brother-sister-34539470
>>68747529
>>68753980
>>68754234
Transitioning is not treatment anon. Fixing the body to fix the mind does not work and often makes things worse.
The only reason psychiatrists are letting people transition is because they have no way to treat their condition yet.
>>68754234
I will prove you wrong.
I have the will to win.
>>68747448
I don't know if this was said before, but allow a retard to be a retard and he'll be happy.
>>68748110
Understanding isn't the issue. Opponents of transgenderism simply believe that it is easier, more efficient, more beneficial to society, and more moral, to eliminate dysfunction rather than to accommodate it.
>>68754364
It's a mental-physical incongruity. You could look at it like a mental disorder, but the reality is just that the brain and the body don't match. The easiest, and IMO best and most humane way to solve it is to correct the body, if that's what the person wants. Fundamentally, there's not anything really wrong with their brain - it just happens to be in the wrong body.
>>68754588
Time will break your spirit and you won't be able to think about anything but what it could have been like had you tried.
>>68754587
People have been saying the same thing for the past 60 years and it has been shown time and time again that transition is the only fix for gender dysphoria.
>>68754353
I had to do RLE, and literally live as a man in a dress for like half a year before I was allowed hormones. I think that broke a few things in my head. Nowadays people tell me I am pretty cute a lot, but I still cant shake the feeling that I am just getting hugboxed.
>>68754612
Well, you do that by correcting the body to match the brain. That way the dysfunction is eliminated.
>>68754913
or you could just let them kill themselves, it'd be way easier and cheaper and better for everyone
>>68750787
Find a doctor that will prescribe it.
>>68754873
Yeah, that rule seems pretty fucked up. I'm glad I live in the US where you can just walk into an informed consent clinic and they send you on your way with pills.
>>68754824
You broke.
I will not.
There is another way. They simply refuse to let it happen.
>>68747448
>science
>>68749626
>give me attention or I'm gonna kill myself!
>>68755119
Alright, keep telling youself that for as long as you can.
>>68747448
Old news
They've always reported higher mental health.
Yet they still commit suicide at the same rate.
>>68750414
>>68754580
>>68754793
sorry to burst your bubble, but that's a girl, you're actually heterosexuals in denial
>The surveys asked parents whether their children had experienced symptoms of depression or anxiety during the past week — for example, feeling sad or being worried when going to bed.
shouldnt they ask the children to find out if they are depressed?
i mean the parents could if they are convinced of this idea ok the kids could lie to but still
>>68754747
How, exactly is there a mismatch? People say there's no difference between male and female brains, after all.
And yet many transgenders are unhappy afterwards
And yet many transgenders try to suicide
And many never look as pretty or beautiful as they want to.
Clearly the best and most humane way is to deal with it without encouraging it. Not encouraging them to do it from a young age.
There are people who believe they shouldn't have legs, or arms, or eyes. Do their brains mismatch, too?
>>68754824
In what meaningful sense does it fix it?
Same rate of mental disease, same rate of suicide, no objective metric changes.
>>68755317
*could lie
>>68754985
Why would it be easier for anyone that's not them? Or cheaper, for that matter? Even if the state were to foot some part of the bill, that person is just as likely as anyone else to be a tax-paying member of society (maybe more so, once they've fully transitioned and their outward appearance matches who they are inside).
"Let them kill themselves" is the kind of solution a dimwitted teenager would suggest. It doesn't work that way in reality.
>>68747448
>Children who think they're Superman and who are supported in their belief show positive mental health.
Yeah, then they grow up and reality hits them in the face.
>>68755223
I've done it for a decade
>>68750264
Those are gender stereotypes, not gender identities. "Acting female" doesn't make you a female
>>68748110
get over your dualistic bullshit you fucking genderbender
your brain and your body are the same fucking entity, your brain doesn't exist in some other physical fucking realm unaffected by the body. what you take in fucks with your system, not exclusively one or the other
they only exception to this case is you, who somehow has xir brain so fucking long gone from their body they legally don't have one
>>68754518
>Anyway, watch this and tell me that this person doesn't convincingly pass for a girl
Hell no. That fucking jaw and male skeleton. Jesus, that was some disturbing uncanny-valley shit.
>>68747448
Yeah kids are generally happy when you tell them Santa Claus is real too
>>68747448
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN
KIKES SHITPOST IN THE INTERNET
*sigh*
My stepson is an Aspie trannie. As a result, I know a bunch of trannies, both FTM and MTF. EVERY last one of them is completely fucked in the head. Completely.
There are two kinds of trannies: entitled suicidal lunatics with an overwhelming self-loathing and those that are good at hiding that they are entitled suicidal lunatics with an overwhelming self-loathing.
I can't wait until he gets the fuck out of this house.
>>68755342
Because hormones don't fix a shitty life. If you're middle class and have money and a job theb transition is much more effective.
For poor people it's diffrent, they transition and face a lot of exta difficulties like discrimination, high medical costs, and inability to have a normal job pushing many of them into prostotution.
What you're saying is like saying that Japan is worse than North Korea because many japanese people enjoy suicide.
>Transgender
>Positive mental health
I want to cut my dick, and castrate myself, but believe me, i'm sane.
>>68755665
>married
>taking care of asspie Tranny step kid
Is xe black too?
>>68755463
Repeat that 5 more times with it gradually getting worse.
>>68748774
73 children is way too small of a case number to make a conclusion like OPs article. If you want to make a conclusion like that, you need a minimum of 500 cases and it must be represent the population.
>>68755782
I know, right? I fucked up.
Protip: never marry a chick with a kid.
>>68755340
>People say there's no difference between male and female brains, after all.
"People" are wrong if they say that. See the article I linked here >>68753413
In short, there are differences, but it's not a binary of male or female. It's a spectrum.
>Clearly the best and most humane way is to deal with it without encouraging it. Not encouraging them to do it from a young age.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "it," here. Are you talking about being transgender? The thing is, kids are "encouraged" socially to conform to either female or male genders, so maybe that's what needs to change, you know?
>There are people who believe they shouldn't have legs, or arms, or eyes. Do their brains mismatch, too?
Maybe? I haven't heard of that. Got any sources for it?
>>68748110
>born with a mismatch between what sex their body is, and what sex their brain is.
No. They developped the wrong sex in their brain, and this should be considered a mental illness and treated as such. If one guy believes he's Napoleon incarnate you don't give him an army to sweep thorugh Europe.
>>68755665
I think the most interesting thing is how much the community holds to TRANSITION OR YOU WILL DIE A MISERAHAHBLE HON full court press., and then as a bonus treats the hons like shit behind their back. And that's still light compared to how some of the people who detransition get treated.
>>68755523
>"Acting female" doesn't make you a female
Then what does? Only your genitals?
>your brain and your body are the same fucking entity
Your brain and your genitals are no the same thing, however. Also you're making an awful lot of assumptions about me; I am in fact a 100% natural-born straight male.
>>68755951
holy fuck you are delusional
>lets just encourage kids to mutilate their bodies and inject hormones to permanently alter and sterilise them before they are even old enough to make actual life decisions
>people discouraging that are the actual problems
Youre a fucking psychotic freak who encourages the murder of bloodlines and children before they can even comprehend basic math.
>>68747448
If I could be 10 years old again I would transition.
I was a cute kid and now I'm a hideous man.
Puberty fucked up my face, gave me a huge nose, greasy skin, my blonde hair got darker and now I'm balding.
Being an ugly man in this society is a rotten deal. You are seen as completely expendable.
Hormone blockers and estrogen would have solved every problem. I would still have my blonde hair and cute button nose. People would pander to me. I would have more self-confidence.
Of course male kids want to transition.
Society is too screwed up and they know that being a male nowadays is being a second class citizen.
my sister had a tranny phase. she tried to off herself in summer 2015, so my family sent her to a Christian private school (she is the only one in my family to go to a private school), she doesn't have tranny thoughts anymore, thus she isn't suicidal.
it IS a mental disease, encouraging it doesn't make it better at all.
>>68755951
>In short, there are differences, but it's not a binary of male or female. It's a spectrum.
Lol no
>Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "it," here. Are you talking about being transgender? The thing is, kids are "encouraged" socially to conform to either female or male genders, so maybe that's what needs to change, you know?
Even in countries where they're not, they're the same.
>Maybe? I haven't heard of that. Got any sources for it?
Google BIID and transabled
http://www.naturalnews.com/050100_transability_identity_disorder_disabilities.html
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/02/meet-the-transabled-able-bodied-people-who-identity-as-disabled/
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/02/are-we-allowed-to-call-transabled-people-mentally-disturbed/
>>68749744
but if gendered behavior is socially constructed and there is no difference between the minds of men and women aside from what is learned how do they even know to be trannies?
>>68756044
>No. They developped the wrong sex in their brain, and this should be considered a mental illness and treated as such.
OR they developed the wrong sex in their body, and this should be a physical defect and treated as such.
>If one guy believes he's Napoleon incarnate you don't give him an army to sweep thorugh Europe.
Of course not. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion.
>>68755806
You underestimate my power
>>68756261
>>lets just encourage kids to mutilate their bodies and inject hormones to permanently alter and sterilise them before they are even old enough to make actual life decisions
Except I said exactly none of that. Way to strawman, though.
>>68756180
Calm down. Stating that "acting female doesn't make you female" wasn't an accusation. You deliberately parsed that sentence so that you could be offended.
>Then what does? Only your genitals?
Correct. The genitalia you were born with. For 95%+ of people this is an accurate assessment. For <5%, it isn't. The latter case does not invalidate the former, and for the sake of convenience the general understanding should conform to the former, since that is the trend of overwhelming majority in the dataset. Obviously it is not a perfect system. That doesn't mean it needs to be dismantled entirely, because it is nonsensical to throw out the overwhelming average just because of a minority of outliers. "Gender identity" is a idealistic abstraction, not a useful term, and it should not be informing general policy in culture, science, or politics
>>68756177
The trannie community is the worst sort of echo chamber. They are hellbent on telling each other how okay their feels are when their feels are anything but okay. They are all mentally ill and it just blows my mind that actual educated doctors tell them that it's fine to take hormones that completely fuck them up and ruin their junk.
If your kid thinks he/she is trans, do NOT let them join a support group. They are fucked once they feel the warm embrace of a bunch of other potatoes.
>>68756386
Topkek.
>>68754824
>People have been saying the same thing for the past 60 years and it has been shown time and time again that transition is the only fix for gender dysphoria.
Says who? The same feminists and assorted radical left ideologues who have convinced half the population that women are oppressed and that white males are evil? I take everything I hear with a grain of salt.
>>68756430
its not a physical defect that can be changed. No matter how much surgery you get you will never produce eggs from testicles or sperm from ovaries.
This is why it is a mental disorder. All the money in the world won't fix them. You're advocating the sterlisation of children.
>>68748464
The first university that ever suported trans and studied it seriusly, (also the first ever sex change surgery) now say that they won't anymore because it wasn't helping, in fact the ones who got rejected are doing better. It is easy to google.
Why the first university supporting this now stops anf it's called transomophobic? Because when they tell me I'm right I like them, and whey they tell me I might have mental issues I cry.
If you ask me homosexuality and transgenderism are just mental health issues, and every human is bisexual with obvious heterosexual preference, but it is such a stigma that who cross the lane don't return, and those who stay just get a more absolute position. Another big problem is when people starts to cry when I say mental health issues, detracting from the fact it is not hate, it is a serius prescription, it is just their inferiority complex projections.
>>68749170
>OMG 4% is soooo huge on 74 people
>there is no difference between 500000 people having depression and 480000 people having depression
A LEAF
If you keep at it you might someday beat aussies
>>68756524
Every argument you've made thus far suggests you support it. Why would you defend transgenderism and people who make that decision if you were opposed to it? Are you just playing devil's advocate here?
>>68756386
Good job, Dutchman.
We must bully Canadians until they leave just like the Indians.
>>68756548
Gender is binary, it was also synonymous with sex until you faggots tried to redefine it.
You're male or female, your chromosomes determine that in all but the strangest of cases.
A mental disorder does not determine sex, biological or otherwise.
>>68756675
>>You're advocating the sterlisation of children.
This. Not that it's a bad thing... we really don't need those genes.
>>68756524
Thats exactly what you have been saying.
Thats not a strawman or a hyperbole, that is the actual act which you encourage.
You encourage sterilising children and murdering bloodlines.
>>68755316
Haha. This.
Damn /pol/, back at it again with the trans-talk while sandniggers conquer Europe
>>68756869
The jews are too good at shitposting m8
>indulging a mental disability improves mental health.
>in the same way that telling a schizo that the radio is infact talking straight to him will improve their mental health.
>science.
CHOICE
>>68756869
>Implying the refugee "crisis" is anything but a /pol/ meme
>>68757010
>Shills for pro-immigration
>Shills for transgenderism
We have post IDs here m8.
You have to go back (to Israel).
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
get rekt son
>>68756942
Fuck off
I really mean it
The only problem with Trans and Homosexuals is the risk that they will teach their children to be trans and gay too
Thankfully adoption is still forbidden for homosexuals in Germany
>>68756380
>Lol no
Lol yes, apparently so. Did you read that article?
>BIID and transabled
It's unusual, no doubt. I'm not sure it belongs in the same category as gender dysphoria, though. It could probably use more study.
>>68757010
it is. especially for trannies. I cant even go out alone here anymore. too dangerous.
>>68756869
I don't see any shitskin dune coons around here but you can't swing a copy of Mein Kampf without hitting three or four entitled gender benders.
>>68757010
It's not a meme
Our race it at stake
feels good to be mentally ill. But not mentally weak.
Resist.
>>68749858
The reality is that your brain wasn't formed properly in the womb (likely due to a hormone imbalance in your mother). Parts of your brain are structured closer to those of a woman's brain. You can never fix it. It'll never go away. You should try to resist it as much as you can because every tranny ends up killing himself, especially after surgery, because there's no fulfillment when you give in to mental illness (just regret). There will likely never be a treatment like a pill and it can probably never be fixed without genetic engineering in the womb.
You're probably going to end up killing yourself regardless of what you do. I suggest you find yourself a good woman and making the most of the time you have left.
>>68757197
okay. different country different problems
>>68756180
>Then what does?
Your female chromosomes.
>>68756524
I would fully understand your claims if there was any scientific backing to the statement that transgender-sim can simply be boiled down to a mismatch in brain and sex. I'd theorize that a majority of people who report themselves as 'Transgender' suffer from numerous mental illnesses which cause and delineate their claims. Though, once again, if there's scientific proof which states otherwise then I'm probably wrong.
>>68757180
>this is what trannies want me to succumb to being
Oh no. If only there was a way you could have not become vulnerable and weak...
>>68757216
>I suggest you find yourself a good woman and making the most of the time you have left.
NO! There is no reason to pass this defect on.
>>68757216
That assumes a perfect world where people with the typical cluster A disorders don't seek attention.
I personally support all weak effeminate males removing their genitals, but NOT on tax payer dime as a "mental disorder."
surprise surprise cosmetic surgery makes people happy, being good looking makes people happy, stop treating it like FAS because it's not, they never MRI for brain structure in cases of GID, it's all up to the psychiatrist.
But if we're going to give children the right to decide their own cosmetic surgery for their own benefit, we need to have a serious debate about what the age of majority means and how it should be applied in our time.
>>68757150
I've seen all this 'spectrum' stuff before. Bullshit.
The only 'spectrum' they're on is autism.
So should they get to have bits of them cut off as well?
