It seems solar street panels are a shitload more expensive than normal solar panels (EUR 6 / W for the road vs EUR 0.8 / W for normal panels). Not to mention that this whole thing might just not last longer than a few years until those solar cells need to be replaced.
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The second phase will test the performance of the surfaces covered in real conditions and lastly, the whole 1,000 km "positive energy" roads will be built.
Wattway is composed of photovoltaic cells inserted in superposed layers that ensure resistance and tire grip. The composite material is just a few millimeters thick, making it possible to adapt to thermal dilation in the pavement, as well as vehicle loads. The technology can be applied directly on existing pavements, without any need for civil engineering work.
According to Colas, 20 sq m of Wattway panels can supply the electricity requirements of a single home, heating excluded. However, the price of the solar road tiles has been estimated at EUR 6 per watt which is nearly six times the price of EUR 0.8/watt achieved at the latest solar power tenders in France so performance tests will be crucial for the future development of the technology.
its been debunked as a massive scam, the fact that france is actually doing this goes to show how fucking stupid they are
but then against we all knew that already
>>68746689
Are they actually going to drive on solar panels or are they just lining the side of a highway with them?
Roads are dirty as fuck, how will any amount of sunlight ever reach the cells after more than a few days?
>>68746909
They are driving on solar panels.
It is the strange idea that it makes sense to pay 7 times the money for a panel to drive over it, than to pay 7 times less and just put it next to the road.
Don't ask me how they justify this shit.
It is no doubt EU funded so it's not their money being wasted.
>>68747056
>It is the strange idea that it makes sense to pay 7 times the money for a panel to drive over it, than to pay 7 times less and just put it next to the road.
>The technology can be applied directly on existing pavements, without any need for civil engineering work.
hello cockmo.
Still a shitty and scammy tech though.
>>68746689
a scam
it makes sense because a politician will benefit from it because a tons of idiot voters who have no clue will think it's good
>>68746689
It's been debunked a million times.
It's just politicians and companies virtue signaling.
>>68746689
>Does the "1000km French solar road" make sense?
No.
Pure physics dictate that you'd save money and get more energy by putting an angled roof of panels on top of (or beside) the road than on it.
The angle of light is crucial and it is at its worst laying flat.
Every roof mounted solar panel uses angles to turn them toward the sun during the most of the suns path over the sky. Why would you make something less efficient, more costly and more prone to wear rather than putting the same fucking tech in a better spot?
this shit has been debunked a million times.
>>68747082
>its your money too
>smug_farage.png
this is so fucking confusing
if it is far cheaper to build normal solar panels then why would anyone build solar road instead?
why not place it atop street lamps? why must the panels be directly driven?
>stupid idea being implemented
>always surrounded by smiling women
every time
>>68746689
won't the cars block the sun? or i am missing something
>>68749075
>Every roof mounted solar panel uses angles to turn them toward the sun during the most of the suns path over the sky. Why would you make something less efficient, more costly and more prone to wear rather than putting the same fucking tech in a better spot?
Because it looks cool and it is a massive propaganda tool.
>Hmm I wonder who is selling these expensive solar street panels
>>68746689
>2017
>France installs 1000m of solar panels on road
>2018
>Solar panels no longer functional. Refugees stole the copper out if the cells
Max pip
What is the fucking point of putting it on a road where it constantly gets damaged by cars
Why not put it on rooftops, empty fields, etc
Anything but a fucking road
>>68746689
Socialism is one hell of a drug
>>68746689
>>68749178
>>68749225
>>68749214
Because DUDE SOLAR ROADWAYS LMAO *bong rip*
>>68749409
The merchants couldn't sell anything if white people weren't buying.
>>68749460
>What is the fucking point of putting it on a road where it constantly gets damaged by cars
>Why not put it on rooftops, empty fields, etc
>Anything but a fucking road
On the road it looks cool. On empty fields or next to road people say "mehhh, what's this shit".
>>68746689
>put solar panel next to road
>don't have to close road to perform maintenance
>>68749178
The Internet went daft when the idea first came up and millions of idiots jumped on the band wagon since then though its been debunked many times here's one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzzz5DdzyWY
>>68747056
HAHAHAHA
Paris 2.0 when?
>>68746689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ZSXB3KDF0
It's a publicity stunt for Segolène Royal, plus her friends get paid too. it doesn't matter if it works or not (pro tip: it won't) as long as people hear she did something.
Besides you can be sure gypsies will rush to steal everything
>>68746689
This is the Green Energy equivalent of the Maginot Line.
Good work France! Again you show yourselves to be incompetent at engineering anything more complex than a guillotine.
>>68746689
This is why socialism is shit.
>the government in charge of doing anything efficiently
>the government in charge of not wasting taxpayer dollars on stupid retarded shit so private companies can get millions for no reason whatsoever
>the government in charge of not being corrupt
>>68749413
This plus, real solar panels need to be cleaned all the time as they have a stiff drop off in efficiency due to debris/dust buildup. These are on a fucking road.
>>68746798
this tbqh famalam
>>68749771
I really really really like this comparison
>>68746689
I wonder how much grip the surface of these solar roads have, as a motorcycle rider i know the slightest change in road surface can lead to disaster.
it's a retarded idea
photovoltaics are inefficient, expensive, and toxic to produce
More expensive, not nearly as efficient, and they won't last through winter? SIGN US UP. They make us feel good because the environment and stuff.
While we're on the topic of solar panels, does solar paint exist?
Like, paint that will have a photovoltaic effect.
I'm wondering if you could get it to cover the infrared range, soak a sponge in it, and then the sponge absorbs its own thermal radiation, so it cools down by turning its own heat into electricity.
I don't know how much internal surface area a sponge has, but I do know that it'd radiate about 420 watts of thermal energy per square metre at room temperature.
>>68746689
It was debunked so many times i lost the count. Absolutely retarded idea. It's much more effective and cost/effective to place them on the side of the road
Just one step before we get RAINBOW ROAD MOTHERFUCKERS
>>68750247
pls no
>>68749795
The biggest killer of scientific advancement is socialism. It's no coincidence that the more socialist a country is the less innovative they are.
Pls no bully.
>>68750247
1. Get rainbow colored paint
2. dump it out while driving
3. ???
4. profit
>>68750201
Any links to reports "debunking" the concept?
while we are on the subject of energy, what do you think of mini nuclear reactors?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_nuclear_reactor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35863846
inb4 >demolition truck
>>68749234
shh don't apply logic that might break the narrative good pol/ark.
>>68749795
>yes because all of those non socialist governments are highly efficient and never waste money on retarded shit and are completely incorruptible
>>68746689
We have solar panels, but at least we put them on top of our commieblocks.
We don't have much sunlight, but the streets are typically covered by snow and leaves half the year.
>>68750149
Translation: solarroad broke after a single night of frost.
>>68750728
and what exactly stops ahmed to hijack it and quran the shit out of it?
>>68750728
nuclear energy is the only viable solution to the energy problem
>>68750758
b-but i want to know
>>68750306
>The biggest killer of scientific advancement is socialism. It's no coincidence that the more socialist a country is the less innovative they are.
THIS
The Canadian government is flirting with the idea of giving a basic income of $18k per year to Canadians.
Someone can literally sit on their ass, do nothing, and get free money. They're talking about dismantling services, such as things that give employment aid/encouragement, in favour of a free cheque.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/46j1ag/liberals_invite_guaranteedincome_expert_to_speak/d066749
>>68746689
my god this is such a money burning
>>68750857
>socialism requires big government
This is why socialism is shit.
The government needs to fuck off for like 80% of everything they're currently in charge of.
>>68746689
Roads would get dirty quick, dampening the panel's effectiveness. I think they are stupid as hell, but maybe they know something i don't.
>>68751179
>google search that image
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Out_of_Shape
>>68750898
There are no Muslim migrants in this pic, this is not Sweden. You are trying to swindle us.
>>68747014
This. Also what about days with bad traffic? At least here in America there are times when roads don't see much of the sun.
I don't know how it is in Europe, but there are some places where you're lucky not to be bouncing from pothole to pothole here. We have a lot more space to cover, so road maintenance isn't the best in some areas. I imagine solar panel roads require much more upkeep than normal roads.
>>68746689
No but if you can get a technology that can harness the heat accumulated by a regular tarmac surface then you're in business,esp in hotter climates. Something that works along the lines of a cpu cooler heat pipe but built into the road structure itself. Of course were a long way from that and with money being poured into meme tier shit like this instead of useful resources.
However if you could build sidewalks with solar panel tiles instead of regular tiles I'd be fine with it. Those have to withstand far less wear and tear compared to a road surface,esp a highway.
Something silly like powering the city lights or like humidifying stations to cool the air in the summer without extra energy etc etc
With this type of new tech you have to start small but lefrench have to be edgy
>>68746689
The thundrf00t videos about solar road ways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ftXinT4jI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzzz5DdzyWY
>france falling for a literal scam
lmao
>>68751271
It's a scam between one of our worst politician and one of the most corrupt and inefficient firm of our cunt.
Absolutely no surprise here.
>>68751320
>haha silly brit is pulling my leg what a wanka
>it's real
>>68746689
french politician do it all the time
> over fund stupid project
> award project to friend
> get incentive
this is a regular way politician use to steal public money.
Like the new anti racist add campaign on national TV or some law bout having specific stuff inside your car (yellow jacket, signalization triangle, spare light bulb, alcohol breathalyzer test,...) or you get fined.
One politician managed to get a company car with driver and get reimbursed for 10k€ a year in cab expenses at the same time.
The political class is fucking corrupted to the bones.
>>68751590
>get fined for having an alcohol breathalyzer test
just fuck my shit up family
>>68746689
>they fell for the solar roadway meme
>>68749409
China, mostly
China's going huge into solar, controls most of the solar panel production in the world and is ramping up their own use.
>>68751717
you MUST have the thing in your car or you can get fined
>>68746689
I would understand this happening in Spain, Italy or over here.
But France?
Maybe in the South, but still.
>>68751872
my statement still stands then
>>68751325
Too cold, they stay indoors or at the mall.
>the french never heard of piezoelectric effect
>>68746689
No, it doesn't make sense. EE here. Solar cells are already inefficient and putting them under a stream of dirty polluting cars is about the most retarded thing you can do to boost your throughput.
Something like friction to pyroelectric generators would have been more interesting.
>>68750974
It's a steel boiler designed to withstand megapascals of pressure.
>>68751009
Actually I think it would work.
But it would be extremely important that they fix several other social systems if they do that.
For instance, they would have to stop paying poor people to have more kids, otherwise this would lead to a population explosion.
All the other programs like food stamps, housing subsidies, etc would have to be stopped.
>>68749413
>Refugees
gyppos have the copper monopoly they'd kill their own child for copper
>>68749771
>straya
>cars blocking sun
what's the fucking point then?
>>68751009
Less people competing for the jobs means more money for you, syrup sucker.
>>68752166
>All the other programs like food stamps, housing subsidies, etc would have to be stopped.
Reading the proposals put forward, they plan on doing exactly that.
>not putting them over highways
>using robots to automatically clean them
Thanks Segolene
>>68749771
it has nothing to do with incompetence but corruption
Civil engineer here. That shit is retarded and useless. It's just a way to get money from politicians because they are even dumber than the libtards that demand this kind of "ecological" power sources.
It's a waste of money because the panels life expectation is barely 5-6 years THEORICALLY and you waste already more electricity building them than the electricity it will produce in 50 years. There is no way this thing will be usetul, not even with mass production and magical technology investment.
>>68746689
it's a mockery. kek would be proud
>>68750247
Errr pretty sure somewhere they placed some "rainbow colored asphalt" i wanna say canada but not sure...
>>68746689
nothing the french do makes sense, they are an embarrassment to Europe
>>68750247
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-27762672
oh the irony
>>68746689
What happens when it snows?
What happens when you need plows?
What happens when you need salt?
What happens when a shovel falls out of a truck?
What happens when a tire blows out?
What happens when oil leaks from a car?
What happens when people use wind shield wiper fluid?
What happens in bumper to bumper traffic?
What happens when a chain dangles from a truck?
What happens when it rains after these undetectable damages?
>>68753132
>What happens when you need plows?
The operator needs to be more careful or he fucks them up, it's from their own FAQ, right after the part where they try to sell it off as just as durable as regular road.
>>68746689
Why not pave the road in good intentions?
Are people really that stupid, or are this projects simple scapegoats for later saying how solar energy is expensive and inefficient?
>>68752636
I want to add some numbers. The efficiency of a photovoltaic panel is dependent on the angle of incidence of the light. That means that as a road, it will get an efficiency of ~90% only about 15 min a day. In general the average efficiency would be lower than 25% because the sun stays more time in the horizon going up and down than being in the top. typical panel in the roof have around 50-60% efficiency in photon captation. This mean that the 6e/w is actually 24-30 e/w.
All of this is without counting dirt and clouds and ofc vehicles.
Then you get into the transportation of the electricity. Let's say you now have electricity, what do you do now? You can't just pour it into the electricity net, you need it to convert into AC and converted to high voltage and low intensity in order to not lose near all your energy by loses due to conductor resistance. That means a substation every 2km or so. A substation for maybe 1kw during 15 min in a sunny day in summer. Waste of resources.
>>68748921
> A ton of voters
Nobody knows, nobody cares
It's not about voters, it's about giving a few million euros of public work to the pal of some random lowlife politician who just happens to run/have shares in a public work enterprise. Nothing new under the sun. And they wonder why nobody wants to vote socialist / UMP....
>>68753264
They practically are.
>>68753352
We know that we're gonna use nuclear energy for at least 50 years, so....
>>68752984
You are an embarassment to the world.
>>68753132
>What happens when it snows?
It stops working, same as all other solar panels, but recovers faster because snowplows
>What happens when you need plows?
They will probably need a non scraping version of a plow
>What happens when you need salt?
Salt won't harm this
>What happens when a shovel falls out of a truck?
The panel breaks as another anon has posted
>What happens when a tire blows out?
It might break
>What happens when oil leaks from a car?
It gets a little dirty
>What happens when people use wind shield wiper fluid?
Literally nothing
>What happens in bumper to bumper traffic?
I guess it's only 50% as efficient as normal
>What happens when a chain dangles from a truck?
Wear and tear
>What happens when it rains after these undetectable damages?
Water gets underneath layer
>>68746689
NO and this video explains why. The only good idea is to build more nuclear power BECAUSE of the power output yields. FACT growing cities need more power and nuclear power on avg outputs 230-300 mega watts of power. Carrying just 1 mega watt of power requires special power lines that birds can't even sit on. The avg solar farm gets about .5 Mega watts and it varies! AND you need special overload circuits and batteries to store it! I have personally measured solar cells with volt meters and the voltage changes so much you need voltage regulators just to use the fucking things.
FUCK this world! Fuck it so hard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw
>>68746689
THIS IS THE MOST RETARDED THING i have ever seen.
Tyre marks and traffic sitting on them will block the sun, they will be shorn off by the wheel motion, it is too dumb.
Put them on roofs. If you are so short of land and roofs are already covered then build roofing over the roadways and put them on that roofing.
>>68746689
I thought this was just a leftist meme, do they actually think that this will produce results? Hell regular solarpower plants have a hard time meeting demands
>>68753533
> it's about giving a few million euros of public work to the pal of some random lowlife politician who just happens to run/have shares in a public work enterprise.
Best part is talk a little too loud about it and you will be charged with defamation and go in jail to get aids
>>68746689
A tad too soon i'm afraid.
There are technologies on the horizon that wil make regular photovoltaics obsolete and cost a fraction of current price.
Not roads but buildings should be our focus.
>>68751837
the chinese are the merchants of east asia
>>68753793
but then taxpayers won't see it and thus not realise how great Mama Royal is to them
>>68749733
We have gypsies here. They hang out in parking lots and try to sell you bootleg perfume and cologne. They all look hideous. I've read stories in the local media here that sometimes they put some shit in the perfume bottles son that when they spray it at you, you pass out and then they rob you.
Are French gypsies like this as well?
>>68747056
couldn't they just PUT THEM ON FUCKING ROOFS?
>>68753044
burnout time
>>68754358
>couldn't they just PUT THEM ON FUCKING ROOFS?
The Germans do that. The French can't do what the Germans do, that would be un-French.
>>68754238
They sure are, while you go to school the little fuckers learn the art of stealing people.
They also have a tendency to burn wheels for god knows what reason, except being arses i guess
>>68754238
>they put some shit in the perfume bottles son that when they spray it at you, you pass out and then they rob you
kek never heard of this, but they do robb you, specialy tourists unfortunately
their favorite technique is to make you sign a petition and a pack of kids empty your pockets
>>68749075
Why not perfect solar cell technology and do both?
Protip: That's what we're doing.
>>68754358
>>68754204
>>68753793
>>68753685
>>68753477
Naysayers like you are the reason we don't have enough innovation in the world. Great inventors need the support of the public to change the world for the better.
These people are trying to save the world! When did you last try to save the world?
>>68754411
stay classy
>>68754635
t. public funds parasite
>>68754635
>When did you last try to save the world?
I pull out, thus helping with the overpopulation problem.
You could help by killing yourself.
This solar panel nonsense is just extremely expensive virtue signaling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw
>>68750306
Seems legit. We're falling behind pretty fast when it comes to science and shit. Not even sure if we still have a space program.
>>68746689
I'm in favour of this kind of energies but who the hell thought placing a solar panel on the pavement would be a good idea? Sunlight would be blocked by any vehicle that passes by and they will be worthless.
>>68754928
we do but not on our own
I remember laughing at this shit years ago. Can't believe someone actually fell for it.
>>68754979
Segolene Royal always fall for those kind of scam, it's another proof that womemes can't be efficient statemen
>>68752514
It will be interesting to see if it improves the current economic climate in Canada
Would none Canadian citizens be eligible for this?
>>68754970
not to mention you literally have heavy cars and trucks driving over them, the same vehicles that cause those deep ruts in the road
>>68754976
ESA seems irrelevant as fuck though.
Well at least Europe can still summon warlocks from the underworld through the LHC.
/n/ here. We love the fuck out of infrastructure spending and even we unanimously agree that this shit's idiotic.
>>68750059
Somewhere between painted roadway and steel. An additional caveat: The bike path version couldn't even last a year without the traction surface coating delaminating.
>France
>doing stupid shit just to fuck with
>the French are often referred to as ''frogs''
Meme magic?
>>68754928
France should produce its electricity by burning muslim corpses.
Literally monorail episode
>>68753685
> bouygues is behind the project
>>68755339
That is so not green.
I feel like the solar it produces will never pay for the maintence on those fuckers
I run my entire home off grid using solar and this is pig shit retarded. Paying that much for a panel just so you can drive on it, wear it out, cover it in dirt and barely get any power. I can get good working panels for 28 cents a watt now.
>>68755397
Removing that many people would be a net gain for the environment no matter what the means.
>>68755397
Think about all the greenhouse gases from bombings that you'll prevent.
>>68755339
coal burning isn't green firendly, but if you find a way to turn them in uranium let us know
>>68755549
turn the cadavers to bio fuel
>>68755438
What would be the cost per sq/km you think? Taking note this is a private company paid by the government so increase your estimate by at least 300%
>>68755549
Actually coal is very friendly. Green plants love all that CO2.
>>68755549
I hear some are seeking access to nuclear power plants. You never know what innovation they might come up with.
>>68746689
Haha France fell for the solar roads meme.
>>68755266
>ESA seems irrelevant as fuck though.
Arianespace leads commercial space since the 1980s. Every single fucking year.
ESA is actually fucking relevant. It is not even that cucked as NASA.
>>68755654
If you find a muslim with his penis stuck in a glow-in-the-dark goat, then you'll know they're plotting something bad.
>>68746689
Unless their roads rotate towards the sun, they are an inefficient piece of shit.
>>68755626
Its not about cost per sq km unless you are doing something dumb like building roads. Its price per watt. Solar is pretty cheap now.
>>68755266
>ESA seems irrelevant as fuck though.
Nah, don't worry. ESA's doing fine. I'm a contractor for ESA projects and people who aren't in the business tend to compare ESA and NASA w.r.t. to space exploration. While ESA does have some outer space missions (e.g. Rosetta, JUICE) the budget makes it evident that the focus just isn't outer space - ESA is more engaged in earth observation and communications. Sure, NASA has a huge budget as well, but most of that budget goes towards maintaining established missions and continuing them, whereas ESA has the freedom to do some more experimental stuff (Biomass, FLEX). It's going to change though, since ESA now has a few of the Sentinels up there, which might turn into an economic factor soon. And then ESA will have the obligation to maintain them and provide for a continuation once the current gen goes offline..
>>68755634
i also love chocolate but i cant eat a 1000KM chocolate road
>>68746689
its going to be a failure and no one will assume it because theyre using public money
>>68755821
Have you thought about using wind turbines? I hear they can be more effective than solar depending on the area (but louder)
A small point, but won't it encourage dipshit leftist assholes to drive on the road for no fucking reason just to take a picture on goybook and say: "look how eco-conscious I am! I'm using a solar road!"
This fucker isn't even going to last a few months. They would have been doing everyone a favor if they had actually gotten the nuke material and taken out brussels with all the EU scum.
>>68746689
Well, you have to think of it as a prototype. It will be easier designing technology in the future if we have solid real-life test data. It might also present new problems and constraints that weren't considered in the planning stage. This is the sort of out-the-box thinking that could really generate some clever ideas.
>>68756222
>Well, you have to think of it as a prototype. It will be easier designing technology in the future if we have solid real-life test data.
WTF? We have common sense. It costs more to put it on a road and will function less than if you just put it NEXT TO the road.
>>68755850
Holy shit yeah I forgot about Rosetta. Shit was based. JUICE seems promising as fuck too.
Shit son, my bad, ESA up in this bitch.
>>68756006
Yes but the cost of properly implementing it is difficult. You have two ways of regulating a windmill. A direct connection to a battery with a voltage sensing dump load, a cheaper way of doing it but not very ideal. It does not work with solar charge controllers in unison and may prevent the battery from fully charging or an MPPT controller with a dump load like a midnite classic with a clipper. The clipper is a resistor thats about 1000 bucks, the midnite is 600. A windmill must be under a constant load or it will over speed and explode. Also the open circuit voltage can fry a lot of shit. Also a direct connect windmill but be a 24 or 48 volt windmill. A 12 volt windmill would have to be either a really small 300 watt or less windmill or have cables so thick and expensive you shouldn't even bother. A good wind site is important, check the wind zone map. Top of a hill is good. 30 feet is the minimum height for a tower. The higher the better. 200 feet is the max height for a tower in the US without approval. Wind speed increases by 25% or so every 30 feet. Unless you live in a really windy state its a supplement but a good one. Hydro is better but the EPA can rape you for touching a waterway. Also need to make the tower so you can lower it for really bad storms. Most are rated for 100 mph winds but still not worth the risk.
>>68756222
Lets try some other prototypes too. What about communism, but different this time?
This is straight retarded and wastes lots of money because you could just as well place on a fucking roof where people don't usually walk on the fucking panels
>>68756489
Thanks for the info. Why is the dump load less ideal?
>>68756222
t. Colas intern
>>68756395
ESA is building the service module for the US Orion spacecraft.
ESA is developing with the Arianespace consortium the Ariane 5 ME and the Ariane 6.
ESA is getting Galileo operational.
Exomars is just flying to Mars right now. Exomars 2 (the rover) will come in 2 years.
PLATO is an amazing thing
Discover and characterise a large number of close-by exoplanetary systems, with a precision in the determination of the planet mass up to 10%, of planet radius of up to 2%, and of stellar age up to 10%.
Detect Earth-sized planets in the habitable zone around solar-type stars
Detect super-Earths in the habitable zone around solar-type stars
Measure solar oscillations in the host stars of exoplanets
Measure oscillations of classical pulsators
BepiColombo will be launched next year for its mission to Mercury
Gaia is already out there.
>>68746689
It makes less than 0 sense. We've had tons of threads about it.
>>68756686
They both use a dump load, the less ideal one is a direct connection to the battery, the battery has a relay that dumps the power from the battery to the resistor. Its cheap but it has no way of knowing how much solar is going in. Lets say you need to charge a battery at 14.8 volts like mine and you do a battery dump, it may drop below that voltage, messing with the charging algorithm for the solar, it may never fully charge which is bad in a lead acid battery.
With a more expensivee option like a midnite classic with a clipper, the windmill goes to the charge controller and the clipper, the charge controller can be hooked up with a data cable to another midnite doing solar. They charge in unison. If it goes into float and no longer needs ower the controller diverts to the clipper, a resistor, so the battery gets a uniform charge.
>>68754635
Look faggot im not talking out my ass, I talk with KNOWLEDGE. You have a set amount of resources and you just can't waste it in whatever shit idea you imagine. You want power generation? Then you have to build nuclear. You want solar for whatever reason? Then you build solar fields . there are refractory, molten salt etc etc. Using resources here is a WASTE. Just because you want it to work it doesn't matter . it WONT work. Science is not fucking magic you fucking snow nigger, go fucking eat a bowl of Somalian semen and keep doing what you do best: being a third world containment zone.
>>68757050
Keep it up, based pissed-off engineer.
Here's your (you)
>>68756002
you can type that again, watch when things get less comfy like they will x)
>heavy truck puts a crack in the road
>rain starts
>everyone is electrocuted
all hail road of death 2.0
>>68746689
Eh. It's not the most ideal way to get solar power, but it conveniently lets you use your space twice. If your roads are a power fixture, you don't have to build big panels on your land.
>>68746689
It makes no fucking sense at all, we had this same fad in the US and luckily it died off before it went anywhere or did anything more than steal a few hipsters' money.
Roads are made of asphalt because it is the cheapest mass produced substance in existence, and almost entirely recycled from old roads.
Suddenly going from that to fucking solar panels that will break every 10 years and produce shit for power is apocalyptically retarded.
Just use that money to put panels all over pre-existing buildings, it will be FAR cheaper and produce drastically more power.
>>68757866
>but it conveniently lets you use your space twice
You could do the exact same thing and get actual efficient solar panels by placing them over the roads.
Like this >>68752618
>>68750183
No, it would effectively be a really dark/black color to maximize visible light absorbance. Surface interactions with photos produce electron/exciton pairs that produce the current and chromophores that absorb light have to be bonded to the surface of your semiconducting material to produce a current.
>>68758300
And drive a megametre in the dark?
No thanks.
>>68758630
r u trolling me achmed
>>68752033
Fight the fatties by repurposing cane sugar
>>68757866
Are you using the roofs of all your local municipal buildings and other large buildings for anything else besides being a roof?
>Find solar road
>Drag a large sack of gravel coated in sand and tar behind your car
>>68749075
>The angle of light is crucial and it is at its worst laying flat.
This is complete and utter fucking bullshit, the panels will work fine being on a flat surface or on an angled surface. Fuck this, this is by far the stupidest shit i've heard all day, fuck you Sweden, fuck you /pol/, i'm outta here.
>>68759227
Oh, so you're one of those "retards" I hear about?
http://www.solarpaneltilt.com/
>>68747056
they're trying to use the land which is already blocking sunlight, not create more of it
if it was to be next to the road, the whole point is gone, then you can place it anywhere else, there's plenty of land
>>68759524
OK good, we agree, let's use that plenty of land to make 7x the solar power for the same price.
>>68759610
it's stupid, yes, and i'm not advocating the project
BUT
if you go for such a project then putting them next to the road makes no fucking sense, that's all
>>68750728
>truck
>DUNDUNDUNDUN starts playing in your head automatically
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGgnywWO6Ts
>>68746689
It makes no fucking sense to waste resources on building solar roads that will be susceptible to a lot of wear and tear unless you all ready covered every suitable roof and wall with panels.
>>68759636
no, that would require building a structure throught the whole road that could hold the panels
much higher price
much higher complexity, may be impossible on some intersections
brings a shit ton of consequences
>>68746689
What I want to know is how come Europe is enacting all these dumb and crazy policies and nobody is saying "that might not be a good idea".
In the US the left has similar crazy ideas that lack common sense but make everyone feel good about themselves. But only half of the US are delusional liberals. The rest of the population keeps their bullshit in line. Does Europe not have that?
>>68759883
Ufuckingwotm8?
It's cheaper to build the aluminum structure over the road and cover it with standard panels than to pave the entire road with more expensive panels that will break every 5 years.
>>68759877
it's probably government property, and the other things you mentioned aren't
>>68759883
>no, that would require building a structure throught the whole road that could hold the panels
it would require 3 pieces of aluminum and you'd have the added bonus of not having to replace solar panels every 2 days because they got fucked up by cars and trucks
>>68757597
>implying it produces enough power to kill anything
>>68760001
We can't do shit to keep an illegitimate government in check.
For example right now, they're trying to change some work related laws. The people doesn't like it, so they protest it.
So what happens is high school kids end up being beaten up by cops.
You have no idea how bad things really are.
>>68746689
>be socialist shithole
>spend tax money on dead end feel-good projects
Nothing to see here.
>>68760072
>it's probably government property, and the other things you mentioned aren't
Everything in Europe is government property. They could easily pass a law that gives them the right to put solar panels on every ones house.
Not that they would need to do that. There are plenty of ways to get people to freely put the cells on their houses. Give them a tax cut, let them have some of the power that is produced, subsidize it or what ever.
>>68747056
the logic is when the roads are not used, they can be beneficial for something else.
highways are not always full of cars
>>68760477
>There are plenty of ways to get people to freely put the cells on their houses. Give them a tax cut, let them have some of the power that is produced, subsidize it or what ever
They do that here, you get rebates for putting panels on your house and you can sell the excess energy back through the grid.
>>68749225
The minister who made the decision to ignore all the engineering analysis that showed it is a crap idea is a woman. She just can feel that it will work so she is spending the money for it. Even when it doesn't produce enough to justify the cost, she'll claim that you can't put a price on our children's future and declare it a huge success.
>>68760085
>>68760005
first of all, it's just an experiment
that's why only 1000km and that's why with minimal changes to anything
there's no change to any of the surroundings, any of buildings, trees, ANY!
so this is a very specific experiment and if you actually read the article to the end, you will understand that
second, usa and australia have very different roads than europe, especially a small french city where this probably will be executed
we actually have like ancient shit we have to respect
>>68759227
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/096014819190065W
The power depends on the angle of incidence
>>68746798
99% of times first post sums it up, like this one.
/thread
>>68747056
The logic is that space is limited in an urban eniroment and you want to place trees and grass on the side of the road to keep people happy. This keep depression down which keeps suicide down which in turn means the good goys live longer and pay more taxes.
But it makes no sense to do this before every roof and wall is covered in solar panels. Everything in the city should be covered in panels except monuments, old buildings and green areas.
>>68760743
Crazy idea: While you're busy respecting your ancient shit, stop yourself from lighting a mountain of money on fire and take it out into the wilderness and build an actual solar field with it, one that generates WAY more power than that money would have otherwise generated.
>>68760743
>there's no change to any of the surroundings
the generated power is just going to magically appear in the grid?
I wonder how much of my tax money was spent on that abomination.
>>68754928
We're all pooling resources in the ESA.
Meanwhile if all the money we pay to the BBC gets put into space exploration, the UK could have a BIGGER space program than the ESA on its own.
>>68760933
I could go to whatever town it is the story is about on google earth right now, and I would guarantee you that less than a tenth of the roofs have solar panels.
>>68760001
We do, but they don't listen and the establishment is all full of the same idiots.
>>68760743
You're saying that less used roads would be more useful with this shit on them, but you forget that you can't just cover all your roads in the middle of nowhere with this shit.
What about getting the power to where it is needed/stored?
Your losses would be astronomical.
>>68746689
What's wrong with letting France do an experiment? If it works - great. If it ends up a failure then at least the hundreds of millions wasted on testing it won't have been spent on rapefugee welfare.
>>68761022
i agree, the project is a scam
i'm just advocating that the experiment would have irrelevant results if it wasn't the way it is
the point of this experiment is not efficient energy generation en masse
you can't have both, once you make this experiment efficient, it's no longer an experiment, it's just another solar plant
>>68761463
They could just give the money back to the taxpayer and give their economy a boost.
Germany is a prime example of this scam. People install the panels for tax credits but usually don't even bother shoveling them when it snows.
The problem is that you can't store the power and get it to where it's needed on the grid. Another big issue in Germany, the "wind power" turbines aren't in the industrial area, so it never gets there and the power just gets wasted.
With all the money the Jews and leftists are pissing away, it's a wonder we aren't all living in hovels and cooking rats. Give it a few years.
>>68747056
The sensible thing would be to take the dividing barriers on highways (the metal barriers that separate oncoming traffic), and put solar panels on posts there.
Bonus points for also adding a cycle path under said solar panels, provided the barriers are strong enough (to be honest it'd be pretty hard to break though the barriers and injure a cyclist no matter the speed, because of the angle the traffic would hit it at, it would just bounce off and spin in the highway)
Kind of like this, I guess.
>>68761502
>government
>giving back money
>>68761326
>You're saying that less used roads would be more useful with this shit on them
where?
i'm saying it's an experiment, not a project to create as much energy as cheaply and efficiently as possible
>>68761502
Now now, you know that money would of just gone straight to the gibsmedat economy.
>>68746689
Of course they make sense. For those who build them.
The government throws away free money for useless "eco" projects, and someone sweeps it up. There's no thing like "too expensive" here, rather "not expensive enough" - because the more expensive this shit is, the more taxpayer money they will get for it.
>>68747056
>Don't ask me how they justify this shit.
The more often panels break, the more taxpayer money the scammer will get for fixing them
>>68761211
Which is stupid. If every house had panels on the roofs and the walls that get the most sun they would produce a lot of their own power and in case of an emergency (war, power outage etc) they would be able to ration the electricity to at least power lighting and maybe cook some food.
Pretty sure there are transparent panels that can be used as windows to.
SOLAR FRIKIN ROADWAYS
ayyyyyyyy lmao
>>68754928
nope.
We're one of the most attractive countries ( when we just take innovation) with our talents, and crédit d'impôt de recherche.
I don't know the numbers by heart, but we have a lot of start ups. Big multi-nationals also like to implement their research facility in France.
>Segolene royal on the pic
And to say she was almost elected in 2008
We dodged a bullet there
>>68755777
Why a pic of Bolden? it was a Belgian who participated the same mission, not a Frog.
African kids could have eaten those solar panels
>>68761512
fucking this
its amazing they almost burnt their whole power grid once because there was too much wind over germany
>>68760395
>So what happens is high school kids end up being beaten up by cops.
They deserve every punch they get. Talk shit, get hit.
>>68747056
While I agree on it's a scam part.... there is one benefit in it. Roads are already open space and place where panels will be mounted is already cleared.
>>68760933
>But it makes no sense to do this before every roof and wall is covered in solar panels. Everything in the city should be covered in panels except monuments, old buildings and green areas.
This.
>>68761512
>The problem is that you can't store the power and get it to where it's needed on the grid.
Didn't tesla just build a battery that can power a whole house? Just install that in every house with panels and dump the energy there.
Or just dig insulated underground pools and fill them with water which you then heat with excess energy and then you use that for heating when it gets cold.
>>68760395
t. Mohamed.
>>68762664
I don't know the details, but I know it's not that easy. Most of the time it's just a matter of bad cost/effectiveness.
Your idea for the water though is used, but at the source, not at the destination (That big Solar Central in Morocco).
>>68762664
>Just install that in every house
Why not just build a superconducting grid that connects every nation on earth and then use Australian solar power in Sweden?
Money is clearly abundant and free in your world so why not splurge?
>>68762664
that's a whole nother can of worms. That battery has numerous problems it needs to overcome if it wants to become viable
>>68746689
why not install regular solar panels just to the side of the road?
>>68762664
what we do here is pump water to a man made lake when we have excess , then empty it so that it goes through a dam.
>>68749795
>This is why socialism is shit.
>>68750306
>The biggest killer of scientific advancement is socialism. It's no coincidence that the more socialist a country is the less innovative they are.
This is what libertards actually believe....
Fuck off. Socialist part in economy is what does the basic research and actual scientific advancement... even in capitalist economies. Universities and research institutions are mostly tax funded.
The part where communism fails is deploying those innovations outside research institutions, military and state security apparatus. In capitalism private sector kicks in here and commercializes the innovation. That is almost always applied research. They find all sorts of alternative applications for stuff to make money with it.
>>68763218
Then leave no space for billboard ads? Oy vey..
Why don't they take the solar panels and put them on barges out at sea connected to the coast?
Maximum sun, son.
>>68763218
Too cost effective for government.
>>68759227
>"angles don't affect efficency"
>literally "sin(x) = 1 for every x"
fucking idiot
>>68763116
Just stop splurging it on immigrants and we can easily afford it. Putting money in to upgrading infrastructure is a good idea.
>>68763269
That works to.
>>68763116
Too much shit would travel along the lines with the australian power.
>>68746798
They feel really good about themselves that's what matters, not if it works or if it's economically sound.
>>68763431
Why don't they just drop nano solar panels in the ocean that transmit energy through wireless dumping?
They would then evaporate into clouds and fall back down with the rain.
Free energy for everyone, forever. Get on it /pol/ instead of your robot waifu bullshit.
>>68763104
>(That big Solar Central in Morocco).
The one that's planned to be big but not really big yet.
It uses molten salt, but the storage capacity of such systems aren't particularly high, they are more of a production-curve-smoothing approach to solar than an viable storage form.
>>68763269
Pumped hydro sounds good until you realize that it's a hydroelectric dam that needs to be able to work in reverse.
>>68763372
Innovation, even pure theoretical, doesn't always start in Universities, looks at Bell industries they've made massive contributions to the Big Bang theory, but also cosmology/astronomy as a whole.
>>68763554
>Just stop splurging it on immigrants and we can easily afford it.
Why not build conventional energy plants instead, better reliability and much cheaper than trying to make memenergy work.
>>68763740
> that it's a hydroelectric dam that needs to be able to work in reverse.
You could put a pipe on the side though , what matters is that you can open the dam when needed
>>68759227
>he doesnt play spess station 13
>>68755397
>so not green
But green is the colour of islam.
>>68763888
Why not do both? Solar panels are cheap and the materials you need to build them are common.
>>68754635
I know you're just memeing us, Göran
But it makes me sad that people in Sweden actually voted for Miljöpartiet because they wanted to remove nuclear plants and replace it with "green" energy
>>68762664
Heat is fucking useless to store energy.
As Frenchanon said, we pump water up an incline, or compress gases for more efficient storage.
But regardless it's getting from the power plant to the user. You think powerlines are for show? Those things cost millions but are neccesary to mitigate the massive losses you get driving currents across miles of land.
>>68764402
>The Expandababes
>>68763921
>You could put a pipe on the side though
You need a water reserviour to pump from, one to pump into. Gigawatt class power turbines and gigawatt class water pumps, or a combined pump/turbine with a reverse settings.
At the volumes required to establish a high energy and long lasting backup system you need dam lakes. And in case you missed the memo the worst energy disasters in the world have been because dam failures.
>>68764452
> Solar panels are cheap
because they were subsidized as fuck , doesn't mean quality either
> the materials you need to build them are common.
heavy chemicals and rare earth
get fucked
SOLAR
FREAKING
ROADWAYS
bravo france you fell for the meme
