Can /pol/ sell me on national socialism?
Not asking for a debate necessarily, but I want to know how you guys found yourselves in the NS camp.
>>68614163
It started with an interest in history.
Combine that with an education in economics, interest in psychology and some real world experience, anything other than NatSoc seems like a bad way to run a country.
>>68614163
Just read about the initial points of National Socialism introduced around 1919.
>>68614163
Don't.
I supported NS for a long time until I realized that NAS would only create frustration among those that need their personal freedom. Not national, religious, but personal.
>>68614237
Not trying to throw shade but can you be less vague? Also, what would happen if you got caught typing that in Deutschland?
>>68614288
I'll look those up now
>>68614163
If hitler didn't go full Reich and kill loads of people, he probs would have been called the greatest leader of all time
>>68614554
I don't understand. The only freedom that national socialism restricts, which you could ever want is the freedom to own and bear arms. Normally I would also want this freedom, but in a homogeneous, well managed society, crime is so low that you will never need it. However there needs to be trust in the government and the government needs to be truly nationalist
I'm not NS. I'm not a NAZI.
Hitler was able to make a country proud of itself again. That is enough for me.
>>68614672
I would have a fair bit of trouble giving up that one
flag related
>>68614163
Is your country in shit because of minorities? Is everything you consume made by China? Do you like traditional values?
You're in luck! We have the solution for your problems on political level that gives real change to things. No more crippled government that doesn't do anything. No more falling out of society.
National socialism! A new government style that makes decision. A government that doesn't watch you lose your job to China. A government that puts the need of majority and nation in front of minorities and people who aren't even here!
Well make inclusion to society a must, get you a job, get you a wife, get you friends and meaning to your life. Change your life today! Join the national socialist faction at your nearest church or city center. Make your country great again!
>>68614564
>Not trying to throw shade but can you be less vague?
Socialism is normally a bad system, it's easy to abuse by ethnic minorities on the grounds of being impoverished and Socialism exists as a tool to fix impoverishment among the lower classes and bring them into the middle class.
The issue with that is that unrestricted immigration drives a high amount of unskilled and uneducated newcomers. National Socialism does include elements of Capitalism in that you do have companies which are privately owned and regulate their own business as they see fit, for the most part.
This means that, in these companies are likely to hire these cheaper workers, driving down wages, which in turn must drive down prices, because otherwise no one would be able to buy food and in the search for an expanded market share, luxury good producers will also lower they prices in order to cater to this ever increasing market of low income consumers.
As the amount of people who actively produce wealth with good efficiency increase and the natural course of social programs increasing runs it's course, you see a lot of strain being put on the wealth producing, native population. This is happening in the USA.
National Socialism prevents this by fostering a culture of hardworking, community oriented citizens. Nationalism is extremely important in this, a love for one's own means that people are both more willing and more likely to work harder in order to contribute to their community. Combine this with strict education and good youth health programs, such as those present in the Third Reich, you are able to foster a healthy and productive population which is happy to contribute.
>Also, what would happen if you got caught typing that in Deutschland?
That depends, the way I'm playing it, I haven't technically broken a law yet, I'm just analyzing National Socialism as a system and I have not spoken about history or the actual National Socialist Party. I'm skirting on the edge of legality.
>>68614813
I understand that and in a country where only 60% of the population is of the same race as me, so would I.
I have yet to see anyone reliably tell me whether natsoc was a good monetary/financial system or not.
>>68614672
why can't NS be pro 2a at the same time? were the freikorps not a thing?
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv
I don't really understand the economics behind national socialism. A lot of bluepilled people say that Hitler started the wars to fund his economy because it was going to collapse, this is obviously bullshit, but what exactly is going on economically?
What makes it different than democratic socialism for example.
>>68614163
>how you guys found yourselves in the NS camp
I didn't
My grandfather did
When he raped some german whores back in 45
Хaхaхa fucking nazicucks
>>68615236
It can be, it just wasn't back in the day.
>freikorps
They were not the wider citizenry and Adolf mostly put the movement down in favor of having most of the prominent members and commanders either work for him or be killed.
>>68614163
Can I just sell you on Auschwitzing Schlomo instead? The other stuff really doesn't interest me. It's cute, but not essential to the topic at hand as far as I'm concerned.
>>68615405
>What makes it different than democratic socialism for example.
Are you asking about the 20th century example or in principle? Because in principle it's not all that different from Socialism with Capitalist elements.
>>68615720
Principle. What are the social benefits you get? The tax rates? How do you make sure the low income/weak aren't out breeding the strong while relying on social benefits?
What do people mean when they say usury was banned? Like there was no interests on loans?
>>68614163
It's shit but unlike classic liberalism it takes into account that the masses are cucks and morons which makes it the best system to fix our current problems
>>68614237
It started out as a feeling, which then turned into a thought.
>>68615954
In Principle, National Socialism is very plastic, I can't really offer you a question because the way it went down in history was that programs were created with the intention of countering a specific problem. There is no set in stone range of social programs, they change as the needs of the people change.
>The tax rates
Plastic to the current economic situation and used as a tool to manipulate different work sectors. Something more concrete I can offer is that personal income tax was very low, under 15%.
>How do you make sure the low income/weak aren't out breeding the strong while relying on social benefits?
Different benefits get awarded to different classes of people and this is also plastic to the current situation. In Nazi Germany there were subsidies for families with children where the woman did not work. Obviously this isn't applicable in the USA for example, so another system would be devised.
Are you noticing the pattern? National Socialism is a system of constant changes to meet the needs of the Nation, The People and The Government in that exact order.
>Like there was no interests on loans?
Government regulated interest rate, private loans were all by eliminated.
>>68614288
best dubs arounds.
I honestly think national libertarianism is the true path.
It ensures your people never become weak/complacent on social programs, and helps build communities in the absence of big government taking care of you.
It will also fix the feminism problem because women can't rely on government to pay for their kids and rape men in divorce court. They'll actually have to act like women and be decent towards men and make marriage work.
It's the most natural system imo
>>68616745
>libertarianism
Would lead to the current situation eventually. Under a libertarian regime, faggots, women and minorities will campaign for and receive the extra rights which the jews tell them they need. Unless you go full Holocaust, which has never really been attempted before, you'll never have a libertarian system that doesn't end up burning your country down.
>>68616745
What happens if jealousy or resentment make 2 people fight?
who arbitrates the issue?
what happens if the person that arbitrates goes in favor of person A and person B loses it and goes homicidal?
who judges the guy that went homicidal?
what happens when instead of people its whole communities that feel wronged?
The basis of national libertarianism sounds great, but in practices, like almost all political ideologies, human bitchiness fuck it up.
>>68615405
https://archive.org/stream/HowHitlerDefiedTheInternationalBankers/HowHitlerDefiedTheBankers_djvu.txt
>>68616855
Hmm.. That's a good point.
I was kind of hoping that people in the society would be race realists, and there wouldn't be any minorities. Homogeneity is very important.
Women would most likely be kept in line just due to no big government being able to artificially support them, and having to rely on men like I said earlier..
Faggots are a problem though. Maybe with communities growing in absence of social programs, Christianity will be the default religion for whites and this will dissuade faggots?
Why can't we have a country like Japan where we refuse any kind of nonwhites? They even refuse asians if they aren't Japanese.
>>68617162
I was under the impression that there are still laws in libertarian societies, i'm not talking about total anarchy
>>68614237
We all know how that ended up.
>>68614163
National Socialism is an umbrella term I identify with because I've accepted these views in my life:
Man is social
Identity is a social construct
Rule should reflect society
or these antihesi:
Man follows no code, nor evolution, nor might
Identity is not what we are; it's who we are relative to eachother.
Rule of law, or codified rule, has no bearing on morality; on the contrary, morality is the progenitor of law.
Essentially, it is socialist in the sense that it's like marxism, except Marxists want to criticize (critical theory) race, religion, nationality, etc, as "social constructs"; on those issues, we're the opposite, because we do recognize those institutions as "social constructs" but that they have inherent values, either biological (such as race) , social (class), or ideological (religion). It's National Socialism's answer to Marxism's criticism; and in the 30s, they didn't expect it to be answered, but Hitler obviously answered it.
"But all that I heard had the effect of arousing the strongest antagonism in me. Everything was disparaged--the nation, because it was held to be an invention of the 'capitalist' class (how often I had to listen to that phrase!); the Fatherland, because it was held to be an instrument in the hands of the bourgeoisie for the exploitation of' the working masses; the authority of the law, because that was a means of holding down the proletariat; religion, as a means of doping the people, so as to exploit them afterwards; morality, as a badge of stupid and sheepish docility. There was nothing that they did not drag in the mud. " - Adolf Hitler
That was his answer to Marx's disparagement of our society.
Cont'd
>>68617306
All of what you said isn't wrong. The problem is that you can clearly see how in US history, Libertarianism eventually resulted in what we have today, mostly because of outside influence on the population. The system might not allow for it, but if you're a democracy, then the kikes will eventually lead your people to vote for getting cucked. Racial homogeny will turn into multicultarlism unless you have controlled struggle, but that's never been tried so we don't really know how a society will respond to a constant state of just-outside-the-real-of-comfort. We can only speculate.
Humans desire control, structure and integration, This is why National Socialism won in a democratic election, it's desirable.
>>68617493
It's one thing the Bourgeois society can't understand, because capitalism is an end in itself; it benefits its self, NOT the people who use it. National Socialists benefit the society, because our system is an end in itself as well, and that's a greater pleasure than capitalism or this phony collectiveness coming from the marxists. Marxists are individualistic collectivists; it's like democracy; democracy isn't FOR the people; it's for individuals who collectively vote to consume the pie for themselves, rather than doing the right thing and sharing the pie. Democracy and Marxism are NOT socialist; they are the opposites of what it means to be "social":
contd
>>68615537
>worked for hitler or were killed
you're referring to the fact that most of these men joined the SA? which was crippled later when it plotted a counter-revolution?
btw citizens were made to register their weapons. they were never taken away. the luxury of being a huntsmen was common in germany. plenty of citizens had their own weapons.
>>68617478
We know how a war turned out. What little real information we have about the society under National Socialism, we know that it's not bad. Certainly economically and industrially it took a broken country and turned it into a superpower.
>>68617671
Furthermore, if you're not convinced already, then I'm going to make Donald Trump an example. He fired someone for saying "I'm white trash" as a joke. Do you know why? People with power have a sense of honor of who they are. I'm not as good a fisherman as my friend, and he is a good fisherman; being a fisherman might not be a high title, but it is an honor, because he takes that title seriously; that's one thing, besides his wife, that he takes seriously, and like Mr.Trump, I'm sure if someone attacked his position, he'd be in an out rage. Trump, when he saw someone humble themselves and remove their own honor to gain a form of social status, even as a joke, it was a sign of weakness, because people who get institutional power have a sense of honor; they know who they are. They affirm an identity. And the biggest redpill I know of, is that depression is NOT a disease of the mind or the body, it's a disease of society. Cancer is more a depressing issue than heart attacks, anyone would agree; the rates, though, show that people with depression are MORE likely to also suffer heart problems than have cancer, which suggests cause and effect, not simple correlation. Can you imagine, if we didn't just evolve to be social, but there was a way that social defects could be killed if they weren't already outcasted by society? Heart attacks are a big cause for death in the depression community, and the doctors will say "Pills pills pills" and they'll say that heart attacks cause depression. No, my friends, it's society fighting back against a social defector. That's why liberals are more than ten times as likely to off themselves.
>>68617677
I didn't say they were taken away, however strict regulations were put in place when obtaining one. Hell, you can still buy guns in Germany today and the rules aren't that different. The issue is that you can't carry.
>>68617729
Would march and build with.
I was a libertarian until I realized obsessing over economics misses the bigger picture. The west is under attack culturally and spiritually. Only NS is equipped to defend it on those fronts.
Ever tried curry from an American owned restraint? Not the same, similar, but no.
Ever tried agreeing with someone with differing views on something? Now imagine it was 20% of the population who migrated from shitholes and made their towns shit holes.
Imagine a world with no full black or full asian people, only a mixed race that is indescribable from eachother, now imagine everyone had the same boring vulture. People won't feel anp connection to their people, only to themselves.
National socialism isn't just for white people, it's about preserving our traditional cultures. Honestly, if I want to experiance Lebanese food, I'll go to a Lebanese restraint, if I want Lebanese culture, I'll go to Lebanon. It's about preserving our way of life without mixing everything together in a bastardised mega culture where the only things that segregate individuals is physical attractiveness and money earning. Why do you think western women are considered easy?
It's because they have nothing but their sexuality to make them feel individual.
>>68617808
>didn't say they were taken away
you're right, you didn't. I was stating it for the benefit of the 'hitler took they guns' crowd.
>>68615425
Which army was he in? My grandfather was in the third shock army when he fought in berlin
>>68617939
this
>>68614163
No because its for retards.
Capitalism is the best economic policy
>>68619389
The only difference is that capitalism is globalist. So I have to ask you, how many shekels did Shlomo pay you,
>>68614672
No during hitler was easy to have a gun
>>68615405
There is no welfare ,evryone has to work if he wants to live
