> conservashits
>>68530584
>Wal-Mart
>not the U.S. military
Bait better.
>>68530584
>walmart doesnt donate to both parties
>>68530584
Or just get rid of welfare programs.
Done and done.
>>68530584
Walmart doesn't give food stamps to its employees, the US government does.
If the minimum wage was raised, Walmart would have to lay off thousands of people, who will leech off welfare even more than they already do.
>berniefags in charge of basic economics
>>68531075
So there is no real solution to this problem is what you are saying? Poor if you do, poorer if you don't?
>>68530584
>Blames walmart for subsidizing poverty with low-wage positions
>Expects walmart to pay people more money for a position that a literal fucking monkey can do.
>Doesn't blame the government on the welfare state
W E W
E
W
>>68530948
Ok saying the government did that. Walmart wouldn't change anything and the workers there would be on a worse position. Maybe have to get a second full-time job to eat?
>>68531299
apply yourself and get a job at not fucking walmart
The problem is people thinking they should be able to raise a family while working as a stocker at Wal-mart.
>>68530584
>food stamps
>welfare
I think it's safe to say when your company produces about 15% of total US GDP, you can set your employees on food stamps
>>68531299
No, do what every other fucking poor person did back in the day.
Work your ass off in shitty, poverty conditions.
Live within your means.
Save money for your children.
Send them to college, and tell them to get a degree that is MARKET READY.
Profit.
Hell, you don't even have to wait for your kids. You can easily make minimum wage and live above the poverty line and save enough money to send yourself to college. People just don't because they are fucking idiots.
>>68531299
Why should there be a solution? What is the problem exactly??
People are voluntarily working for Walmart. If they aren't happy with their pay they can choose to work somewhere else.
If your question was "can we centrally plan an economy and at the same time achieve a high degree of prosperity", I think the thousands of mass graves which dot the russian and chinese countryside are proof of the contrary.
>>68531481
Both the government and Walmart are enabling each other. Walmart knows it can get away with the wages it provides, because the hand of the government will be there. Neither are innocent.
>>68531299
>take away welfare
>wal-mart employees either get poorer or get organized
They live or die by their own initiative or lack thereof. No American taxpayer should have to be on the hook for other shitty Americans bad life choices.
>>68530584
The minimum wage needs to be negative for shitty jobs like Wal-Mart. Poor people should pay to get experience at those places.
>>68530584
>create millions of minimum wage jobs for people
>idiots try to live on minimum wages jobs
MUH CORPORATE WELFARE
MUH LIVING WAGE
socialists are such faggots
>>68531708
>easily live above poverty line on minimum wage
Care to support that claim with numbers?
>>68531777
Other than the fact that what you just said is fucking retarded (Why don't all companies do that then?), let's say it's true.
Who's to blame then? Walmart or the government?
If you say walmart, please jump off a cliff.
>>68531075
Walmart were already exploiting minimum wage laws to give as little as they can, safe in the knowledge that the government will give their employee welffare
>>68530948
this would be great
I think we'd have to ween the population off the foodstampos though
They destroy the country man. THe more people get money from the gov. literally the less jobs are available
>>68531695
This. Liberals need to understand that job creators cannot be expected to.stay in America without being given certain regulatory leeway. The wealthy and middle classes should be happy to pay for those entitlements seeing as they help Wal-Mart contribute to the US economy.
>>68532008
you don't have to work for minimum wage
you know why factory workers could support families back then Cause the jobs were dangerous as shit
just become a coal miner; you'll get 60 bucks an hour
>>68531299
Fix the monetary system so you can live off minimum wage.
>>68531721
You are right. They could choose another place to work.
Let's just say that happened. Most Walmart employees got out of there for a better job. Where would Walmart get its next set of employees?
>>68532008
>The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]
>Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2014/01/facts-about-the-minimum-wage
You just have to live within your means. That means not popping out 12 kids, not divorcing each other because your fucking whiny faggots, not getting into a lot of debt, not going out to buy a big ass house, buy a used car, etc.
My mother did it working at walmart and with an assload of kids (my father died and he was the breadwinner). Quit whining.
>>68532115
i want to sniff and lick those feet
>>68531795
Fair enough. I'll get on board with that.
>>68530584
Dude fucking Walmart pays 9.25$ starting here in my area of Illinois. That's two bucks above federal and a dollar above state.
How the fuck are there people in poverty on that sort of cash.
>>68531299
OH THE POOR SLAVES ARE FORCED TO WORK AT WALMART OH MY GOD THE HORROR
shut up cuck.
Walmart is cancer as it is. Chink garbage and employers Muslims everywhere. They can fuck right off for all I care.
>>68530584
This, we should get rid of welfare.
No need to subsidize corporations.
>>68530584
OP, if you were a shitposter, you'd tell me, right?
>>68532115
nah
I am not down to help walmart
if you really think about it; subsidizing walmart just means that they get less compative
another company may have been able to say, have higher quality junk, but pay their employees without taking government money
but because of walmart; it's now they don't ahve to compete because they can just buy anyone who is competing
and don't for a second think that the government can't force you to sell your company
>>68531545
If it was no longer possible to live on a WalMart wage, people would quit.
The people have more power than you think
>>68532296
> using family income
>>68530584
So if we raise the minimum wage, does that mean we can eliminate all social programs?
>>68532296
Wait these numbers can't be for one worker like you stated. Minimum wage is 7.50 here. 7.50 x 2000hrs = 15,000. I'm about to start a job making $25 bucks an hour and my salary is a little over $50k.
Conservashits BTFO
>>68530584
>welfare queen
Keep popping em babies out your ass, baby machines, you just want a bigger check in the mail.
My dad is in his 60s with bills to pay and walmart is paying him 10an hour. Thanks Walmart
>>68532460
I didn't say that. Just acknowledging there may be a problem.
>>68532203
It would attract new employees by making working at Walmart more attractive by raising the wages they pay.
>>68532451
>How the fuck are there people in poverty on that sort of cash
breh.
people are bombarded to become consumers at every second of their life
literally on this website there's ads
someone's listening to tv in the other room and I can hear the ads
people lack the discipline/ power of will to force their minds to overpower these things
for many people; it's the path of least resistance all the way. And that is, the high time preference path of least resistance
they pavlovian condition their own selves to be more and more impulsive, and the media around them more and more often tries to reinforce this impulsive nature (because impulsive customers pay more)
>>68532808
Yes thanks Walmart indeed. Your dad could be on the streets.
>>68532941
That is a nice thought. Walmart would ship in illegals before raising their emails.
>tfw working at walmart for the past eight years
It's the best job I will ever have at $14/hr@40hrs weekly
>>68532115
The government subsidies allow Walmart to drive other businesses out of markets. They are creating jobs by destroying opportunities for self employment. And the average American is forced to pay for welfare to subsidize Walmart's low wages, even if they don't shop at Walmart. This is not how a free market works.
>>68530584
The strong will do what they will and the weak will suffer what they must.
I think the question worth answering is how do we create incentive for paying a wage sufficient enough to remove the necessity for welfare and simultaneously punish those that pay a wage that must be subsidized by welfare
>>68530584
>implying conservatives want welfare
>>68533020
I wasnt being sarcastic. My girls dad rsgs on Walmart every chance he gets. He was a union cuck forced to vote democrat and Obamacare raised him and his wives insurance over 500 a month.
>>68531545
People wouldn't work at Walmart just to starve to death.
The easier answer would be to have a higher tax rate for companies that don't pay employees a "living wage" to counteract the social programs that they would get
>>68533101
In a free market society , Walmart would just monopolize and buy out all the competition and have their works working for pennies an hour
Remember when Wal Mart got hammered on the stock market early last fall because of their shit 2nd quarter report? Liberals celebrated it as evidence that people were not shopping there anymore. Sales had increased by 6%, but were offset by a $1.50 increase in wages for minimum wage employees.
Walmart is only possible because of globalization. They can sell cheap shit from china because of shitty trade deals, hire people for shit because the job market is fucked because of illegals and force companies in the US to make subpar, cheap crap because they can always just buy shit from China, lowering wages for those workers.
A wall, ICE and tariffs are the solution. I'm a democrat, I like a bunch of left wing things and this is why I'm voting for Trump.
>>68533330
This . Higher corporate taxes please
>>68533098
Also bonuses and shit. Its not that bad desu.
>>68530584
>>68531299
How about cutting welfare?
How about whores closes their legs and get an education instead of five kids
>>68530584
Economics isn't as simple as "The rich people are keeping the poor people down!" you fucking idiot. It has to do with incentives, cause and effect. If you raise the minimum wage, people will get laid off as a response.
In my state the min wage will be 11 in 4 years or less.
>>68533031
How would they? They aren't allowed to.
The only way they would be allowed to do that if limp-wristed faggot democrats like Bernie Sanders were elected and amnestied all shitskins south of the border.
If you don't want that to happen, vote Trump.
>>68531075
>Walmart
>Minimum Wage
Still a little crummy, though.
>getting money for not working
>not discouraging working meaning walmart has to pay more to get people to not sit on their asses collecting dem programs
>walmart hires poor people
>gets bitched at for hiring poor people
I thought welfare was to protect the poor from corporate exploitation by redistributing wealth. Wouldn't no welfare mean a race to the bottom salve wages? Fucking liberals, they get exactly what they fucking want and spin it to whine for more. I can see it now: the minimum wage is corporate welfare since people have to work; BASIC INCOME NOW.
>b but corporations don't pay taxes
Bullfuckingshit. A tax break is not taking. Not taking is not giving.
>>68530948
Welfare programs should exist for the permanently disabled, but certainly not for the perpetually poor that are also able bodied.
>>68533406
Just for some companies
A small company shouldn't even have to pay at the same rate than a large multi national .
Then a simple tax break for paying an employee over X amount of money (should be different per state as there are different cost of living expenses per state)
Seems simple enough
>>68533367
>fucked over by a tiny wage increase
Well that's their own fault isn't it?
>>68533544
>If you raise the minimum wage, people will get laid off as a response
[citation needed]
>>68530584
at least bother to make an argument
saged
>>68531545
Or you know.. they could just vote with their labor and take it somewhere else where their skills are more valuable.
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/subsidy-tracker
>>68532079
>Walmart were already exploiting minimum wage laws to give as little as they can,
So "exploiting" minimum wage laws is... obeying minimum wage laws?
You're not one of those braindead communists, now are you?
If you're opposed to government-funded welfare, act to end welfare.
>>68533620
I don't understand your post.
>>68530948
>Get rid if welfare
>Walmart pays same amount
>Increase in homelessness and starving poor people
>People get fed up and start revolution
>Kill all conservashits
>Install commie government
>US falls apart in under 20 years, with Russia and China gangraping whats left
>???
>PROFIT
>>68532775
>worked at a liquor store for a while
>one coworker had 7 kids
>gubmint pays her a fat check every month because lolnodaddy
>spent every cent she made at the liquor store over at the bar next door, while fishing for government check maker #8
>mfw
Welfare needs to die
>but the chillums!
Less welfare candidates clogging the streets.
>>68533874
>people can just move somewhere else at any time very easily in today's economy
This is the "jus b ur self" of economic debates.
>>68530584
Their business model is unsustainable, because all business models which require welfare are unsustainable. If the federal government cuts back and wal-mart employees cannot feed their families despite working 40 hours, that sets up some heavy-duty violent shit.
We forget the 19th century, so now we are going to have 19th century problems. The solution was Trade Unions, and they would naturally have been organized if we stopped regulating everything for Corporate. Like businesses, such institutions 'naturally arise,' but since they aren't specifically a business America hates them. ("Oh man, if Wal-Mart leaves the community, then small businesses will emerge!)
So we are far more likely to get riots if there are fiscal cutbacks as the Freedom Caucus tries to push for. It's just a cluterfuck no matter how many ways you slice it.
>>68533874
>implying they have valuable skills
9/10 Walmart employees are worthless niggers.
>raise minimum wage
>close YUUGE amounts of stores
>all 20 cashiers get laid off
Economics to a leftist is like a cross to a vampire.
>>68530584
how about just raising the minimum wage for corporations that can afford it and not small employers who cant
>>68533752
Read literally any economics textbook ever written.
Who am I kidding, you probably can't read, can you Pablo?
>be poorfag
>need to get place of my own
Any suggestions?
>>68534098
That's what I would be counting on if it was possible to fight Wal-Mart. Either Wal-Mart works for a Union, or it leaves and its former employees begin building small businesses.
>>68534143
Good thing vampires don't exit conservashit
>>68533440
I guess since I don't have a GED and am over 30, so in fucked. I work no less than six hours FOR FREE weekly.
I might as well trip up to give some first hand testimony.
>>68533690
That increase also reworked the attendance policy, Sunday premium, paid time off. I'm not happy about it as my $0.40 annual hourly wage raise has been reduced by a dime.
>>68533339
And the workers would starve? Dead workers don't stock shelves. When we had unregulated markets the government stepped in on multiple occasions with regulations or guns to prevent violence. Monopolies don't last without force, and I don't mean market force.
>>68531299
>>68531075
>>68530948
>>68531481
>>68531545
The solution is market socialism, have the workers own walmart and eliminate or make it much more difficult for workers to get welfare.
Their wages would be higher since they would have cut out the shareholders and Waltons sucking out all the wealth from the enterprise. And if they have the same level of wages, it's because they have chosen to keep them at that level for the sake of the business,
universal income would make other welfare programs irrelevant. anyone with a sense of ambition would still look for a job (20k annually would suck balls). people on welfare aren't going to start businesses, thats up to investors.
if you genuinely believe welfare is a bad thing, especially during a recession, you need to take an economics course.
>>68530584
>complain about low minimum wages
>want more unchecked immigration to create higher supply of unskilled laborers looking for work
Why is it always that the people who want more immigrants are also the ones asking for more welfare and state subsidies on schooling, healthcare when they're the ones creating the problem in the first place by driving people to poverty with flooding the job market?
Granted you also have companies trying to import cheap labor from abroad via work visas, but that's a different matter altogether. Although this is mostly from an outsider's perspective so I may be off here.
>>68530584
>Raise the minimum wage
>Walmart pays employees above minimum wage
>>>/facebook/
>>68533978
Walmart has raised employee pay. Walmart pays new hires at $9 an hour and has given a raise to $10 or 2%(?) of current hourly rate to those that make more than $10 to those employed by Walmart for at least 6 months.
>>68534143
>my dogmatic economic ideology which I falsely believe to be a set of economic facts helps me to feel superior to others in online debates
FTFY
>>68534246
What are you? 11 years old? Commieshit.
>>68530584
The goal should be to lower the minimum wage because that would indicate an economic environment where our money is actually worth something. Raising the minimum wage will just further devalue our currency.
Or maybe not. This is babby's economics for me. Am I wrong /pol/?
>>68533690
Yeah, but liberals assumed the beating they took on the market after that to be a sign their business was dying.
>>68531816
>>68534169
No, the minimum wage has been raised multiple times in US history. You can back up your claim with data showing a correlation between the minimum wage being raised and layoffs or you can't.
Pro tip: you can't. Prove me wrong though, I'll wait.
>>68530948
>gets rid of food stamps
>poor people in areas with few employment options begin stealing/engaging in illegal activities for food
>crime spreads to wealthier communities
>police get involved
>prisons become more over crowded, constant violence grows as the poor continue to retaliate
>all the while prisons, police, crime prevention, and damages are being paid for by tax payers.
Good thing we got rid of those food stamps guys!
This is what conservashits believe. Are you just incapable of seeing the big picture?
I'm all for getting rid of food stamps but do you know what the social cost would be if those people have no other options?
>in4b just kill poor people
clamp down on tax avoidance plus aggresive tarrifing.
if walmart is not happy paying "fair share" of tax they can fuck off and try opening a wallmart in china.
US economy is the powerhouse, gov can regulate and business can fuck off if theu dont want a slice of the pie.
its called taking control of ficking jews, m8
we need a modern day robin hood that holds elite hostage and causes chaos
>>68533330
>Implying you can't live off of minimum wage
Fuck that, drop corporate tax rates. Right now we have some of the highest in the world.
What the people need to do is boycott. But they won't, their "needs" satisfy a better outcome.
Times would be tough, but no one wants to make sacrifices to better the nation. They just want to consume, consume, consume.
>>68534069
10 pissy unskilled workers could destroy more in a day than what they could produce in a year. The business community inevitably figured this out the hard way though which was why Craft Unions were a thing.
>>68534327
Historically, what happened was that the State and Federal governments got out of Labor Disputes, because the businesses would create riots knowing full well they didn't have to pay to clean up the mess. The businesses then were forced to pay for their own protection ("The Pinkertons") and so were much less likely to throw people in murderous rage. The Guard however still was a thing (which was created to deal with violent workers), but the States took a much more hands-off role when it was clear that they had no dog in the fight.
>>68534387
The reason Nordic welfare states worked so well is because they ran a tight ship with a small hard-working homogenous population. It doesn't work if you have unchecked immigration because it destroys the system.
The whole free borders thing only works if you abolish states. You can't just half-ass it, it's nation states or anarchism otherwise you fail at both.
>>68534476
This . It's intellectual dishonest when Conservashits and Repuketards act like they are the authority on economics and quite tiring
>>68533406
>Higher corporate taxes please
>Corporate tax rate in America
39%
>Corporate tax rate in Sweden
22%
>Corporate tax rate in Germany
15%
Government has no business telling anyone what their wage should be. A wage is a private contract between employer and employee.
As with everything government sticks its nose in, they only make things worse.
All minimum wage laws do is create maximum unemployment. When the government forces businesses to pay a $15 minimum wage, unskilled employees are given a $0 wage.
The biggest miscalculation people have is that America is still a Middle Class nation, when in reality future generations will be 'only' making about $~23,000 a year, which was historically the pay in the 40s, when Labor Unions were most popular.
I laugh when people talk about the 'managed decline' because 1) they have no idea how to manage it 2) they assume the Middle Class will still exist in such a managed decline.
>>68533330
>higher tax rate for companies that don't pay employees a "living wage"
that sounds ok, but isn't that just a 'softer'-less direct- way to raise the minimum wage?
>>68534705
would also help to abandon the petro dollar and stop feeding into Trilateral Commission/Council on Foreign Relations/Bildeberg Group bullshit. There wouldn't be a migrant crisis if the West just accepted that they could use some economic competition and stopped invading countries to set up central banks and pillage resources.
>>68534888
Okay. And when employees associate into a Union, and collectively bargain with the employer to make a closed shop, why should the state intervene with Right to work Laws?
Let's be real. America thinks Corporate is going to save the day, when in reality it's fucking up hard without other private institutions to balance out its weaknesses.
>>68534826
Oh those poor corporations! Whatever will they do!
>>68534826
how much tax does walmart avoid paying.
google are cheap
samsung are cheap
+ more
they avoid the spirit of "paying fairshare", and reappropriate the funds, out if the country.
>>68534952
Phrase it as a tax break and you'll have people whooping and hollering in support.
>>68530948
>Lets create the perfect neo-feudal conditions for a Marxist revolution
>>68531075
>walmart would HAVE to lay off thousands of people!
What is this shit logic, they have a bottom line of employees they need to function l. Do you think they have a single extra employee?
>>68534695
The only obligation I feel a state has to its poorest of poor is food.
That's it. everything else can go away.
Both of my grandparents were poor as shit and they worked and saved so that my parents could have a decent life.
Both of my parents had to pay for college themselves and now they have good jobs. Now they can send me to college and I can get a better job with less debt. step up your game poor people. Don't give that "I never had a chance." Bull shit. Start saving for your future family now.
Deciptive Facebook pic. They "drain" foodstamp money by selling their goods to people on welfare. It's their fucking business model! A neighborhood near me is silly with section 8 housing, and guess what? One of those Walmart grocery stores opened up next door.
I avoid Walmart like the fucking plague because I don't want to deal with 300lb State Subsidized Bastard Manufacturers and their screaming meal tickets. The only time to go to Walmart is early in the morning. After noontime when all the sheboons wake up, forget it! Goto to Sea World while blasting shitty hip hop on headphones, it's the same fucking thing.
>>68534971
>There wouldn't be a migrant crisis if the West just accepted that they could use some economic competition and stopped invading countries to set up central banks and pillage resources.
EU is pretty much a US lapdog at this point and it's completely destroying us. USAbros always say that they're subsidizing our defenses, but I honestly wish they stopped doing that and maybe we wouldn't have to ask "how high?" every time you tell us to jump. Ideally both of us could go about our business separately.
I'm really tired of this game of "we fuck your shit up, but then we pay to compensate part of it so you should be grateful and do what we say."
North America should really get back to an isolationist policy. It'd be better for the entire world you guys included.
The welfare state should be completely eliminated. Then there will be more economic pressure on Walmart to raise wages.
>>68534516
You assume that a lower minimum wage=lower prices. Pricing is up to the supplier. Would you maybe see a slight drop? Sure, but for the average worker it wouldn't be enough to compensate the loss in pay.
Likewise, a raise will see slight increases in costs, but for the individual it will be hoghly beneficial.
At the end of the day though, this shit is too complex to pre determine the outcome. The only way to know the effects is to actually do something.
>>68535256
This. Just fucking this.
Angry and poor people aren't actually a stable group of people. In fact, it's the same fucking demographic that ISIS picks from. So why do we want to grow this demographic?
>>68535378
Okay. That's fine because I get America. Just understand that when poor people 'step up their game,' they don't need your fucking permission to tell them how they should do so.
>"You should stop being so poor and step up your game."
>"Agreed. I formed a non-profit to capitalize new businesses in the area."
>"Nope. That doesn't counter, because Corporate isn't included."
>>68535378
Your grandparents lived in an era of a labor shortage in the united states, businesses had to pay workers relative to productivity in order for them to be competitive. That era is over and now it is the workers competing for low wage jobs while productivity is increasing.
>>68535391
It's a blessing that our states EBT doesn't go active at midnight when our store closes. We would have niggers lined up around the store. As someone who works overnight, this would be a fucking nightmare.
>>68534570
Having actually, you know, had a job, I can tell you the first thing a company does when it loses revenue or has increased expenses is lay off workers. Its the easiest and quickest way to reduce overhead.
But you wouldnt know about that, would you, you welfare leech.
>>68534713
Then explain to me why no businessmen support the Democrats? The only rich people who support the democrats made their money cheating on the stock market (Soros) or working for the government (which is welfare leeching at a much grander scale).
>>68531795
Companies like Walmart do everything they can to prevent their stores from unionizing though
>>68534695
I think we agree with each other, but you thought through your post better than I did. My point is that monopolies don't exist without violence. Either they higher people to fight the workers, the government steps in to prevent riots or the government subsidises the company in some way (taxes are enforced violently). Without these things happening monopolies either won't arise or will be short lived (think a first to market scenario).
>>68534279
>printed out memes on the wall
Why do companies do this?
just do it. i think 2016 is a geeat year for rocking the boat and fucking shit up, economically and with kebab removal.
lets risk for gain and fuck some jews up. lets make corporate mad. hurt nigga feelings. and whatever else.
the "system" is not top tier. lets rebuild.
No more Walmart. Happy now? Enjoy waiting in line for five hours in subzero temperatures for your kolkhozy-produced stale bread and rotten potatoes. Proletarii vsekh stran, soyedinyaytes!
>>68534039
Yeah, the average Walmart employee isn't going to have a few grand in the bank or the work history to just transplant.
>>68532964
So we should subsidize those who have no self>>68532964
control?
>>68535073
You're literally taking away close to half the profits. By doing so these companies will move their money off shores. Lots are already looking at Ireland. So what's the point of a high tax rate if there's so few to tax?
>>68535073
>giant hike since 2005
Thats just in USD$ with no adjustment for inflation, isnt it? Because I can explain why profits soared in the last 20 years: the Fed's money press has been doing overtime creating inflation.
>>68535781
>Pro tip: you can't. Prove me wrong though, I'll wait.
You can actually back up your claims, right? You're not going to embarrass yourself, are you?
>>68531676
Trying to tap into that lucrative employee market of those, people who don't need to make a living wage but are still willing to work long hours.
Ya, why don't they just hire the millions of these people. They are everywhere.
corporations said they needed tax cuts for 30 years. they said they would give us jobs
we gave them the tax cuts and they gave the jobs to the 3rd world
we owe them nothing
>>68536056
This so much is true. My monetary net worth is just above $800. The only thing I can do is just transfer to another Walmart if I had to move. Nearly a decade of work history here doesn't mean shit outside of my store's automatic doors.
>>68536242
You know the EU is busy with a new corporate tax law that would close tax loopholes like Ireland and the Netherlands right? It'll be passed around summer this year. They wont have an option to flee here. They'll have to go to, I dunno, India or something.
>>68535833
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the taxpayer dollars are used to prevent unionization, when in reality the government has no dog in the fight. If Wal-Mart was forced to just rely on its own finances to prevent unionization, than Unions would proliferate.
The thing is, though, if welfare goes away and Unions are gone, then there will be suicide riots like what happened in the 19th century. And even though the state would have to get involved (which would be fair by then,) the damage would be billions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
Again. People who spout the "managed decline" argument have no fucking idea what they are doing (or what will come next from their ignorance.)
>>68536412
If you can replaced by a third worlder you deserve to be permanently unemployed. They left because wages in the developed world are absurdly high.
>the shops that the welfare is spent at is the problem, not the actual parasites that live on it
>>68535378
As nice a thought as this is, its simply not realistic to expect this of people anymore.
Poor americans have had a taste of the good life. They like having tv, computers, and miscellaneous other luxury items.
You expect them to gove it all up and just spend all their time working for a furure generation they won't even be alive to see.
Now are there still people that think like this? Sure. But I think this thought process has been on the decline. At our core we are very selfish creatures. These days its so much easier to look and say "Why should I give a shit if its not directly benefiting me?". And I tend to agree.
Fuck, even /pol agrees on some level. Why the fuck should we care about these poor immigrants? It doesn't benefit us, so fuck them.
>>68530584
>look at me, I hate welfare queens too, do what I say!
I hate these disingenuous fucks. The person writing this has literally no problem with the welfare state but at the same time complains that walmart is the biggest offender.
>each walmart drains more than $900,000 from the taxpayers
>which should go to paying other welfare parasites not to work
>>68536541
no, they just don't wanna pay
it was short sighted and they should be cut off
>>68535116
Then lower taxation to 15%, and cut any loopholes. That way more than their fair share(they pay ~9% right now which at that amount of money sounds pretty reasonable).
Then there's no reason to reappropriate the funds.
Or you know, cut a shitload of our spending and cut income tax all together - pay for everything by flat rate sales taxes and by property tax.
>>68536310
I provided anecdotal evidence, which is more than you did. I have actually seen the company I worked at fire people due to decreased revenue.
Now, this article doesnt state it directly, but it does operate on the assumption that businesses fire employees as a cost saving measure:
http://businessethicsblog.com/2009/01/23/layoffs-by-profitable-companies/
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2003/12/is-wal-mart-good-for-america/
Walmart is one of those temp jobs you work at during high school or college for a little extra cash. If you're expecting to make a living there and work for more than a year then you done goofed.
>>68531671
Over 80% of new jobs created are min wage jobs.
>>68536541
i believe it is feasible that the ceo of walmart could be replaced by a 3rd worlder, who, by only making small token changes could derive 0.1% more value.
not impossible , and will never happen.
>>68535378
I concur. If you're poor, sacrifices have to be made. There's plenty of ways for you to save money, even with a minimum wage job. Life will suck, you'll have to cancel internet, TV, etc. Liquidate some entertainment and find newer, cheaper ways to entertain yourself.
It'll suck, but it'll pay off.
>>68536797
This makes too much sense for a leftist to ever support it.
Then again, 'income inequality' is just bullshit propaganda. The left couldn't care less about that, they only care about authoritarian power for themselves.
why the fuck should ordinary people have to suffer/pay for corporations to thrive?
i thought the rich/republicans were all about every man for themselves
>>68536814
>anecdotal evidence
>this article doesnt state it directly
Enjoy my last reply, retard.
>>68536932
See >>68536951
Again. The problem here is that Right Wingers think America is a Middle Class nation, when in reality it's become a Working Class nation. The very foundation of being a Conservative is over because the political demographics are shifting far faster to where they used to be.
Libertarians can call minimum wage workers faggots, but then they'd be so ridiculously outnumbered (and outgunned) that it was akin to suicide in the 19th century.
>Why do you think our God-Emperor is ascending to the throne in the first place?
>>68534351
>Their wages would be zero since they would have cut out the shareholders and Waltons and would crash the entire franchise into the ground, leaving them unemployed.
ftfy
>>68536525
I was unaware of that. Good on the EU for that.
However, if Briton leaves the EU it won't apply to them. The UK is currently standing at 20%, barring any law like that.
But barring that, they can still go to Canada and their 16% I believe.
>>68537204
You are the retard mate. Marginal evidence is more than no fucking evidence at all. Your argument boils down to "no u".
Explain to me why a business would *not* fire employees when their overhead is too high (either due to decreased revenue or increased costs). What do you think they do, operate on a loss until they go bankrupt like a moron?
>>68537418
Bullshit.
New small businesses would immediately return to the communities, and the pay would be much better with self ownership.
Things are so fucked BECAUSE the people up top have failed to do their jobs.
>>68537584
You know what else would help with that? Stop allowing corporations to donate to candidates and government officials.
Once you work for the government, you belong to the government. Therefore, the government has every right to watch every aspect of your finances. With that being said, if you accept a donation from a company or even an individual representing a company, you get fired.
>>68537842
It would go a long way until saving our world.
>>68532683
He's making up bullshit and ignoring variables and other coniditions, like the fact that walmart deliberately avoids giving people full time hours to avoid having to pay benefits, while still being completely comfortable forcing people to work over their designated hours without paying their employees for the extra work, along with a myriad of other factors.
>>68537752
The pay would be better, yeah. But the prices of the goods wouldn't be. People will get ticked off that they now have to pay almost 4 dollars(in the midwest) for a gallon of milk now. As opposed to the 2.85 or so.
Not saying that we are better off with Walmart. It would just be a tough transitional period that people with no hindsight would be able to get past.
>>68537842
yeah, no more money in politics
let politicians raise campaign money like sanders
>>68538057
Very true. The only thing I'd add is Wal-mart is welcome to remain in its communities with a unionized workforce. The pay, admittely, wouldn't be that much higher, but in terms of quality-of-life things would turn our incomparably better.
Given between the two, I'd prefer for Wal-Mart to stay to keep things stable.
But the whole idea that we 'need' Big Box stores is fucking laughable. Manufacturing can be outsourced. Sam Walton cannot.
>>68536951
>>68537374
Have you ever stopped to consider that's because 80% of people who don't have jobs are fresh out of HS/College and don't have enough experience to justify a higher wage?
Sure, you're always going to have the 40 year old single mom or the 28 year old Women's Studies graduate who are forced to work for minimum wage, but the vast majority of those jobs will be picked up by high schoolers and college kids, as I mentioned before. These are people who don't need to make a living from their job and just need some extra cash. The single mom can find a husband with a good job, or go to college herself, and the women's studies graduate can commit suicide for making poor life choices. There's always a way out of poverty. No one is *forced* to work minimum wage forever.
>>68534059
Unions would be okay if they fought for fair wages.
A fucking do nothing 400 lb boomer doing useless busy work making $150,000 + benefits + 70% pension isn't reasonable.
>>68535310
Do you think all employees have the same marginal productivity. Go take a labor economics class, it's a rich field.
>>68531299
>So there is no real solution to this problem is what you are saying?
remove 18 million illegal immigrants and suddenly corporations like wallmart will voluntarily pay higher wages in order to get employees.
>>68538057
Most of us pay income taxes which are taken out before we even see the money. This money that we don't see largely goes to subsidizing corporations like Walmart. In truth we pay far more for everything we purchase from Walmart, it's just that the costs are hidden from us.
>>68538057
>caring about the price of milk
why don't you just lay down in the street and die you poor little nigger, no one needs you.
>>68534144
This would be logistically burdensome.
The appropriate solution would be to introduce tariffs for imports from countries with low costs of living and getting rid of immigration and h1b visa rules.
This will increase the demand of labor and force employers to reduce their profit to pay their employees higher salaries.
>>68538562
>Have you ever stopped to consider that's because 80% of people who don't have jobs are fresh out of HS/College and don't have enough experience to justify a higher wage?
>justify a higher wage
>justify
See. This is the whole point that got us into this mess. Everything we have to do in America must be 'justified' by whether it serves Corporate or it doesn't. What ever happened to just having the right to do what you want, damn what others think? Corporations have utterly failed to turn things around in our own nation. How about we go back to the original option when we were free.
>>68538674
We just need the right for Unions to exist. There are PLENTY of bad Unions, just like there are bad businesses. But nobody is saying Wal-Mart has to be abolished, just as nobody should say that Unions have to be abolished.
Its about Free Association, something that's ignored by many Right-Wingers.
>>68536431
have a little pride in yourself, get your GED online, maybe take some college classes online or at a community college during your time off , precious as that time may be, put out feelers for different jobs. Possibly get an associates degree, keep looking for a better job while maintaining your current walmart job. It won't be easy, don't mistake this as saying its easy, but its very doable.
>>68538944
>And if things turn out poorly, its your fault for listening to my advice in the first place.
This is why nobody listens to Republicans like they used to. It's a party of all preach, no responsibility.
>>68531545
>the workers there would be on a worse position
They could kill themselves/ Anyone who earns minimum wage after high school is a failure at life and should just kill themselves.
>>68530584
Blaming Walmart.
>>68537752
>new small business will replace mega business
>>68539079
Of course, they could first you kill and then kill themselves. Which is historically what happened.
I only say these things, btw, so that we don't make the same mistakes. As things stand, Welfare can enable the status quo to continue, but IDK how much longer our finances can take this.
>>68539166
Because Wal-Mart is never responsible for anything.
>>68534002
>People get fed up and start revolution
I don't think whiny liberals have guns and niggers can use them.
I wonder how many problem glasses machiatto sipping skinnypants wearing faggots would be willing to die for their $15.
>>68539317
>implying they could even afford guns
>implying wallmart is responsible for everything
>>68539266
Maybe. Of course these new mega businesses will have to handle the question of Unionization. And as the "new Wal-Mart" they can make a choice whether to remain in the area or move away for new businesses.
The very SAME principles that allow for business also apply to Unions. This is why Right Wingers have to use batshit pretzel logic to keep going.
>>68539420
Welfare leeches don't do violence. But Wal-Mart operates in the same areas that Trump Voters live in, and not in Big Cities. So it's the wrong demographic.
>>68539501
Dude. The fucking Bethelem Steel Strike workers murdered people with pick axes and dynamite. Wal-Mart workers could just as easily use gasoline and stolen guns before they kill themselves in a suicide riot.
My position is compromise, and somehow I'm considered the 'radical one' because I don't want to provoke a violent confrontation. (If the Welfare chain ends.)
>>68539059
I'm not a republican......left leaning libertarian, and the worst that could happen with that plan is that you continue at your same job you have right now.
>>68539420
you probably don't think much at all.
you sound like the slave master's bitch
>>68539766
Fair enough. Maybe the sentiment was misplaced.
>>68538911
>See. This is the whole point that got us into this mess. Everything we have to do in America must be 'justified' by whether it serves Corporate or it doesn't. What ever happened to just having the right to do what you want, damn what others think? Corporations have utterly failed to turn things around in our own nation. How about we go back to the original option when we were free.
>What ever happened to just having the right to do what you want, damn what others think?
Exactly. Whatever happened to that? Shouldn't corporations have the right to pay what they want, damn what others think? Shouldn't people have the right to choose to work for minimum wage, regardless of what some uppity liberal thinks?
Corporations pay that amount to minimize their expenses and maximize their profits. That's the point of a business: to make money. But no one is forced to work for minimum wage for those corps. forever, nor is anyone forced to shop at their stores.
If you don't like the corporate system then you don't have to play the game within it. Learn a skill and become self employed. Develop websites or make music or something. Otherwise get back to work.
>>68531795
>this
I understand and agree that SOME people legitimately need assistance. But many of the people I know, including my own relatives, that live in poverty simply don't put any effort into advancing themselves. What about blacks who grow up in the hood and go on to become doctors, lawyers, etc? They came from the same situation as these welfare leeches; the only difference is they worked hard to get out of it. Yeah it's hard, but you need to rise to the challenge instead of making excuses.
>>68530584
>walmart is the worst welfare queen
Nice try, kike.
>>68532649
>>68532683
Holy fucking shit people pay attention. You can easily live withing minimum wage IF you make the right decisions.
If you have a family, don't produce a shit ton of kids, both of you work and live within your means
If you are single, same fucking thing, live within your means.
>>68539815
Keep sucking government cock and blame corporations.
You're like a nigger blaming the whip master for slavery when the person who owns you is actually sipping tea in the house.
>>68530584
>eliminate welfare
>decrease taxes
>business profits increase
>business can now pay higher wages
>people stop working at walmart to go work for higher wages
>walmart raises wages
problem solved
>>68539166
turning a first world country into one where large swathes of the population earn minimim wage. do what I do, blame everyone.
I was in coles last week, ( grocery ), and everything is self check out now, theres like one humanbeing working one check out.
Now the shoppers, work for free, checking out their own items.
So.. if i ever self check out, I scan wrong, fuck up, and always in my favour ( durrt no training ) or likr last week, waiting for the one serviced check out, which by the time I could be served my frozens had melted. Dropped all the frozens on the grocery floor, " this food is melted, " leave it there for the manager to deal with.
Be a cunt when you know you are being jewed, $ or time. fck the clever kikes.
fuck self check out except for single items. bring back check out chicks. <3
>>68539420
You look at it as though some poor person gives a shit about "liberals" or "conservatives". They just want to get some enjoyment in life and live. Many of these people have limited political knowledge/involvement.
And guess what? With how many guns are in this country/how easy it is to obtai one, it would be brain dead easy to rebel. And social media would make it easier to add fuel to the flames, even coordinate action.
But by all means, go ahead and assume that its all just a bunch of pussy liberals. Don't come crying to the government when an armed, angry mob is stealing your shit and killing/raping you and your family.
>>68530584
or walmart employees could just fucking quit their jobs and find another job elsewhere
>>68530584
>be 30
>still work at Walmart
kek
Going nowhere fast I see
>>68539967
Exactly. Which is why if the Employees, in their own self-interest, should form a Union to negotiate with Corporations. Because that's the point of being laborer; to make a wage. They don't need your approval, or the State's approval, to freely associate.
Again. The very same principles which enable business also enable Labor Unions, because both are categorically private institutions.
>>68538944
I don't have Trump's stamina to attend full time which is needed to get any financial aid/grants. CC is $10k annually which is impossible to pay with cash, not to mention I haven't been in a classroom in over a decade so I doubt I will be able to pass any coursework.
Sometimes I wish I had a dream/career goal, but that would have been a detriment to me mentally when I was homeless during my best years where I called the parking lot "home" for a while.
>>68540160
>not stealing from self-checkout
>>68539317
>they could first you kill and then kill themselves.
They are welcome to try.
Your veiled threats don't scare anyone,bern out
>>68530948
/pol/ user base will drop by 80% because they can't afford internet connection. Great idea tbhfam
>>68540072
>live in welfare/police state
>government collects taxes
>taxes pay corporate subsidies
The government holds the whip and the corporations own the means of production. You have the analogy exactly backwards.
>>68540291
well i soft steal by scanning lower items, but ill never be ok being forced to self check out when a business can provide the service as they have for decades.
>>68540388
Dude. I fucking picked up my MAGA hat at the Trump Rally. Sanders is like the last person I'd go to, because welfare and free liberal arts classes aren't going to solve any of our problems.
>>68540207
You're not that stupid, are you? minimum wage jobs are all that's left in America. Quitting is not an option for most people.
>>68539420
what government cock? it was given away
you think we are all here to make sure this form of capitalism succeeds?
I'm alright with Walmart. That shithole saves me a decent amount on groceries, and the poor bastards who have to work there are there for a reason.
The Walmart heirs are a bunch of bums who had the world handed to them on a silver platter, while they sold out America to China. Treason? Perhaps, but none of that effects me so to fuck with it.
>mfw everyone takes this bait
>>68540291
4011, baby
>>68540639
Could always get a degree in STEM
>>68540711
>but none of that effects me so to fuck with it.
How the West died in once sentence.
>>68540891
The corporations are bringing in h1b curry niggers for that.
>>68540245
sorry to hear you have been homeless. It's character building isn't it. I have faced the same, and may do again soon, would not wish it on anyone "moral". it happens.
>>68540207
What job should they get?
Look in the paper or online and you'll find tons of listings.
But guess what, they ALL have massive requirements. They ALL want people who don't have to be trained. More than that, they ALL want experience.
So even if you go to school and get a degree, if you've only had min wage jobs, forget about actually using that degree.
>>68540245
The community college closest to me is around 2000 a year and thats before financial aid, yes you can apply to some CC programs part time and get aid. The state college I went to was only 7500 in total per year because I was in state, I understand 2000 dollars still isn't a small sum by any means. you seem to have pulled yourself out of worse situations so I have a feeling you could do it. Good luck with whatever happens!
>>68530584
This is true.
Now, if you say "End all welfare now. I don't care if a hundred white children starve, so long as one nigger doesn't get a penny of my taxes." That's fine and I have no problem with you holding that opinion. The problem comes in with fake politicians and their dumbass constituency wanting to do things like complain about foodstamps and education / housing benefits, acting like it's such a drain on our wealth, when the unnecessary Iraq war alone, launched under false pretenses, has cost us some 1.7 trillion (I say again, trillion) dollars and made us less safe. Who has been hunted down over this misappropriation of the country's wealth and resources?
Then you have the same people campaigning against entitlements and talking about cutting costs, but they back loop-hole bills for multinational corporations to dodge taxes and (like OP-related) pay employees poverty-wages, which in turn makes the American taxpayer subsidize the corporation's workforce.
This is my problem when people talk about "welfare".
>>68532008
Im doing it right now. Calling it easy is a bit of a stretch but my wife and i are fulling supporting ourselves and our two children while also going to school. Live within your means and don't buy stupid shit.
>>68530584
You are right, we should cut their benefits so walmart will have to pay more or the employees go elsewhere for better pay.
>>68530584
My gf is a human resources manager at a competing store, she told me Walmart offers a class to their employees to teach them welfare
>>68541262
If only creating dank memes was a job. I'd accept min wage for that desu.
>>68540639
it's not my fault - i paid attention in class, turned in my homework and actually learned a fucking trade. the world needs brain surgeons and the world needs ditchdiggers. i'm comfortably somewhere in between the two and have no envy for those above me and no pity for those below me. in this era of gibs (pell grants, united negro college fund, academic scholarships, etc) there is no legitimate reason for anyone to be stuck working at McWalmart as a career
>>68541299
casual/temp is tje new thing in AU. No benefits. Ive seen jobs adds seeking advanced excel plus 5+ work exp in xyz field and whatever else the advertisor can dream up. Casual temp on going. I eould suggest to the advertiser to leave Australia and go and live in a shit hole because that "attitude" to work offered is ..... not Australian. Pretty sure they'd be immigrants anyway.
>>68530584
>End corporate welfare
>By raising minimum wage and thus by doing so increasing taxes on hard working Americans even more!
Or you know, we could just stop giving Walmart all those benefits.
>>68541801
Work in HR. Most of the time it consists of arts and crafts.
>>68541784
I haven't seen anything like this posted. If anything it has to do with ESL stuff for the foreigners.
>>68541922
>in this era of gibs (pell grants, united negro college fund, academic scholarships, etc) there is no legitimate reason for anyone to be stuck working at McWalmart as a career
At some point, people are going to discover that it's midnight in America. And when they do, they won't be apt to believe such utter bullshit.
>>68541959
That really is the plan. The make ridiculous requirements of a low-tier job because the person they have in mind is not a native. They leave it up for a bit and say "Oh well, looks like we just don't have enough skilled labor in this country lol." Then comes Poojeet, pulling his sketchy "degree" from the university of New Doohkie, out from between his cheeks. Bam. Now they've found their guy that'll do coding for 64hrs a week for $12 an hour with no benefits.
t b h
if corporate really had its way All of you would be on food stamps barr executive management.
That is corp ideal end game.
>>68530948
/thread
>>68542545
Education is a pyramid scheme. When it pops there will be another 08, maybe worse.
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
>>68543066
Probably a forgiveness of most student loan debt. By "forgiveness" I mean the government floats the bill with already collected tax dollar.
We're kind of in this now, and everyone suffers for it. We have to go to university and the university in turn offers joke degrees and joke courses for exorbitant tuition. Back in the day, you couldn't get into university if you were unintelligent, even if you were average. They really only wanted the best and the brightest.
>>68530924
>there aren't two conservative parties
not decided yet if an hero. ( got a wife who luvs me thru my faults )
my brother is a doctor, he lived at home and won a free scholarship.
i got kicked out. Black sheep of the family.
me? about to be homeless. him? $60 every 15 minute consult.
same family, same bloodline. this is real in 2016.
>>68543066
Can anyone with Machievelian thinking predict what will be the fallout, other than devaluing US dollars?
That is the exact opposite of free-market. Wallmart is state controlled due government involvement. They operate exactly like Irving Oil does in my province, who is worth 20 billion and owns most of our forests and back roads as part of Irving Forestry and Irving Pulp & Paper, and 4 Newspapers. They are so in bed with government that one cannot separate one from the other.
>>68530948
AMEN!
>>68543677
> not personally robbing your parents after the fact.
fucking pussy, if they did that to me there house would have been burnt down.
>>68543485
This is one of the scariest things about bernie. He wants to further devalue college education.
As it stands my meme degree will be of little value. If bernie has his way, it will literally be GED tier.
>>68538057
But wouldn't they have more money to pay for the goods?
>>68536242
Not if we elect Donald Trump president. They won't move offshore if they want to continue doing business here.
>>68534570
Federal Reserve of San Francisco. Kill yourself.
http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2015/december/effects-of-minimum-wage-on-employment/
I started at $10.50 an hour.
>>68531708
But I need a fancy car, and the latest phone. I also need multiple pairs of shoes, and a lot of drugs and alcohol.
i feel u, however, if to do, that when they would have gone full snitch to teh police, this is true family destruction, ie traitors.
so if a person will love police more tha ther kid, dont make babies is the lesson a dont be a snitch.
>>68530584
>replaced by robots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILcKbKTlzfc
>>68532176
which is what we need, a return to a manufacturing/industrial economy.
>>68543886
Besides a mass closure in schools? IDK. Higher education has done the damage it will do, which was to lower education standards to incorporate large populations of people who weren't cut out for higher education. This also effectively 'lobotomized' our elites, although they aren't the wiser.
In terms of 'paying off the debt.' Fucking KEK. Just talking about the consequences alone would be too much for people to handle. It's better that they enjoy the ignorance on this one.
>>68544094
in the future most of the people who were thinking of going to college will just drive for uber and task rabbit. i wouldn't worry about it, aside from the fact that it is already so heavily devalued. if you have brains talent and creativity you will succeed
>>68530584
I agree bud, end ALL welfare programs.
>>68545161
Yes. But then you get into very strange financial models that haven't existed in human history. Otherwise, Trump is our ticket by shutting down global trade. Our elites, as smart as they are, will force us to take the latter option from their own incompetence, rather than experimenting with pilot programs.
>>68531299
>so there is no real solution
Government interference can be a real bitch can't it?
>>68531299
>>68545431
Bullshit. I've been explaining over and over again what could be done to protect people's wages. What's going to happen is that because men like me are ignored, resentment is going to build up over time until the very legitimacy of market economics becomes under threat, rather than making market economics work via private institutions (known as Trade Unions.)
Our world is such a clusterfuck, everywhere I turn, there is a problem which is rapidly growing, and not a single group of good men working to stop it.
>>68545431
>>68540163
>>68534002
>>68539722
>>68539815
>>68540686
>rebelling against the government is impossible
>unless of course it's a communist "revolution"
End welfare, introduce a negative income tax.
>>68535256
Hey remember that time Marxism correctly predicted the economy future of the country?
You know, that time that never happened ever? Leftists are so pathetic. I get that your religion is the worship of this Marx guy, but he's literally wrong about every single thing he's ever predicted. Global revolution to Socialism? Fucking kek, where? Where is that exactly, all I've seen is a bunch of failed states trying it for twenty minutes and then becoming Capitalist.
>>68545180
privatising education spearheaded the spiral to the bottom and all the "fake" schools teaching obscure skills with 0 industry employment prospect. ( astrology )
I am smarter than my brother however his life circumstance has enabled him to financially be smarter due to free education and free living costs ( at home )
protip: if you ever want to fuck a kids prospects, boot them out of home at 16 and live for yourself!
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