Give me an argument against guns, and why you're pro gun control.
I will effortlessly dispel it.
>>68530336
murder
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>68530566
Murder?
What about it, there has always been murder?
Outlawing guns wouldn't change anything.
Relenquishing rights is dumb /thread
>>68530336
IM PRO GUN CONTROL
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY?
WHEN YOU LEAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER YOU ACCIDENTALLY KILL PEOPLE
#TriggerFingersMatter
>>68530689
>>68530670
but what about the chillen
>>68530336
It's not a question of progun/antigun namefag, it's about pro individual freedom versus anti individual freedom.
>>68530336
Hot damn those Quarter Circle 10 pistol-caliber ARs are sexy.
>>68530336
Thats a sexy gun, too bad i am britcuck
>>68530899
I'm all for individual freedom imbecile.
People have the right to reject firearms, but they shouldn't force their ideas onto politics.
I just want to know the reasoning for their pushing gun control
>>68530336
Its our 2nd Amendment Right. It is not bound by any of your bullshit excuses. It isnt some arbitrary law. It is a key foundation of what it means to be American.
>>68530336
shall not be infringed, commie
>>68530670
>plain interpretation of 250 year old terms
>>68531326
Excuse?
What was that? Explain yourself
>>68531326
cuck spotted
>>68531326
Cuts both ways
>well regulated
Guns are dangerous weapons, like spoons and bicycle wheels.
>>68530336
It's 2016
>>68531556
Amusingly enough, in that context well regulated means well supplied or in good working order.
Wisdom of the founding fathers! Get rekt! Resistance against a tyrannical government and defense from roaming home invading rapists reeeeee
>>68531326
>>68531556
A FUCKING LEAF
>>68531326
>Canada
>>68531565
Lost my mother to a bike wheel
>>68531326
Well soory for not shredding the constitution with new, hip, CURRENT YEAR policies.
Everyone is not fit to own a gun, no matter what the constitution says.
>A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Guys it seems pretty clear that the founding fathers want us to be armed with whatever any foreign or domestic army might have?
>>68531690
>well supplied or in good working order
I am against gun control but have never heard that one before. 9/10 made me laugh
>>68531565
HOW DARE YOU EVEN MENTION THESE DANGEROUS WEAPONS?? DELETE IT!!!
>>68532047
Says who?
Who decides who's fit to own one? The state?
>>68530336
If no one had guns, there would be no gun crime.
Swords are cooler
>>68531326
>implying current SJWs philosophy is more compelling than the age of enlightenment
>>68532051
Did you just buy all the guns in csgo?
>>68532065
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
>>68532065
Laugh all you want but you're only circling a false argument.
The supreme court already established that the PEOPLE are the militia.
>>68531107
I'm curious. Hypothetically, how many non receiver parts would you be able to obtain through the post before the bobbies knock on your door? Would the queen shit herself if you bought a barrel? What about trigger? I am assuming you could get the stock and rail at least
>>68530336
I can give you an argument against that gun in your picture.
With such a short barrel, velocity will be decreased, and accuracy diminished, rendering the weapon less useful for a real time tactical event.
replace that shit with something useful.
fucking tough guy casuals.
ETA: as to why I am pro-gun: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
![Andreas-Lubitz-CLO_3247460b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Jiv1lo5.jpg "Andreas-Lubitz-CLO_3247460b[1].jpg")
>>68532104
I do, and a lot of other people do as well.
I don't really care how you make sure that people that shouldn't get guns don't get guns, they still shouldn't get guns.
>>68532143
So you're telling me all crimes in existence have always been caused by a gun?
>>68532432
How is my 3.4" pistol accurate than?
>>68531755
I just pointed out that the leaf's argument removes the power from the only clause anti-fun types point to.
>>68532461
Simple, we shoot everyone who isn't fit to own a gun
>>68532065
you're an idiot.
>>68531326
I said it a few minutes ago, and I'll say it again:
Fuck off maplenigger, I'll have guns if I want.
commencing a 2A dump btw
>>68532461
Sounds a lot like a stupid ass emotional opinion to be quite honest
>people shouldn't have guns because I say so!
Audible kek
>>68532587
And then the rest realize that's why they need guns! Brilliant! Excellent thinking Finnie!
>>68530774
>>68532432
That's a pistol-caliber AR, a seven inch barrel is enough for most purposes where you're using pistol ammo. 9mm out of 7" is okay enough.
Well I have a gun and I want to keep it. Give me 3 good reasons you think I shouldn't be able to take guns from responsible owners
>>68531326
>doesn't understand the constitution is a living document
>>68532198
This guy is correct. Well regulated meant properly functioning from the early 1700s all the way up to the 1890s. Regulation had nothing to do with the oversight, sanction, or restriction of something from an authority.
>>68532966
>*Give me 3 good reasons you think you should be able to take guns from responsible owners*
fuck I'm retarded
Guys I just rewrote the 2nd Amendment, let me know what you think.
A well armed civilian mod, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear any gun in existence shall on any public place without any state permission shall not be infringed.
![Jokela-school-shooter[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nstdDGS.jpg "Jokela-school-shooter[1].jpg")
>>68532747
No, I think people should be allowed to own weapons. I would LOVE to have my own rifle to shoot around with, and I DO hate the fact that getting one here is not that easy, mainly because people who were unfit to have guns (i.e. 4channers and NEET) decided that they'd had enough and shot their schools up. Picture related, average /pol/ trumpist.
Proper background checks, a neccessary evil.
>>68532282
>glock 18c
how???
>>68530336
so the Sandy Hook massacre is an acceptable consequence of gun ownership in its currently under regulated state?
>>68533177
Full autos aren't illegal. Just heavily regulated.
>>68533148
>Proper background checks, a neccessary evil.
...Until you realize that said mass shooters acquired their weapons illegally.
>>68533135
*mob
>>68531106
They seem pretty spendy though, if I wanted an sbr pistol I'd just get one of those mako kits for my glock. Then, again, I'm just a poor coal miner
>>68533261
Yes I know that but glock 18c's were made after the cutoff date for us normal people to obtain them. You need to be LEO to get one.
>>68531326
>>68533135
I've go with
>A well armed civilian populace, being necessary to the security of a free state and the preservation of it's liberties, the right of the people to keep and bear any arms short of weapons of mass destruction, in any place, for any reason, without any state permission, approval, or objection, shall not be infringed
>>68533233
Why do you think more laws will make you safe? The only thing making more laws does is make more criminals.
>>68530336
>GOT YOU
I need to take away your guns so I can control and earn from the population as an armed population is a free population.
>CHECK MATE
Look at UK and Europe. Guns are illegal there and they have way less gun deaths. Why not make them illegal in the US too?
>>68533233
It beats your current situation, bong.
>>68533233
It's a reasonable symptom of a decayed family culture fed a steady diet of pharmaceuticals, corporate food stuffs, retail, and a overly brutal economic system.
The only reason to own a firearm is to defend yourself from others who own firearms
>>68533148
>political ideology and financial standing is necessary to own a gun
Kill yourself m89
>>68532790
gah its an HK ump ,45. Trust me it will be plenty accurate and plenty deadly out to 150 yards ith that 8 inch barrel. If you have ever heard a .45 [even out of a 4 inch bbl] hit a steel plate you will immediatly cringe at the thought of it hitting you.
>>68532747
>People should have guns because I say so!
Cut's both ways.
I'm not for gun control in any way, but that'll probably be the response I'd get.
>>68533456
Would you rather get shot to death or stabbed to death?
>>68531232
Is this what common core produces?
>>68533233
>Sandy Hook
That was a false flag.
And even if it did happen, yes it is acceptable.
People didn't have guns to protect themselves with so they had it coming.
Americans are too stupid to own guns. They should be taken away, while police funding should be jacked the fuck up.
>>68533528
>The only reason to own a firearm is to defend yourself from others who own firearms
>wat is a knife?????? Guns are the only things you need to defend yourself from XD
>>68533655
see your arguments fails because we're discussing part of my country's Bill of Rights. It really doesn't cut both ways.
>>68532790
nm not a UMP sotty for the kneejerk. i just cant stand the argument that a handgun [or equivelant] is not deadly
>>68531473
>>68531513
>>68531755
>>68531796
>>68532025
The words of the constitution aren't what's important, it's the intentions of the drafters. Plain interpretation misses the forest for the trees.
It's the job of the judiciary, particularly the SCOTUS, to distill the values of the constitution and the intentions of the original drafters in a modern context. This means taking into consideration all the advancements, both technological and social, that have been achieved since 1787.
>>68533429
I like that better, nicely done
>>68532697
I'm moving to New Hampshire
Fuck Arkansas and gun registration.
>>68533832
Fuck you, subject
>>68533529
>mental health is necessary to own a gun
ftfy
>>68533456
Yeah and you also currently have an invading army blowing shit up left and right.
>inb4 nuh uh!
>>68533776
>denying it ever happened
Well thank s for letting me know not to take you seriously right off the bat, you fucking cuck.
>>68533891
From reading many of the founders writings I have a difficult time believing they'd turn into nanny-state gun grabbers over modern weapons.
>>68530336
There is no such thing as gun control because you need guns to enforce gun control. What gun control really means is giving the government ( and criminals ) a monopoly on weapons.
>>68533891
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I didn't articulate myself well enough to properly get my point across. Let me try again.
A FUCKING LEAF
>>68533655
The constitution says so, and we all know that trumps what an autist says
>>68533929
They do have great gun laws. But do you wanna deal with those WASPs. Come to ND, our laws are very similar. Plus we have a low population and lots and lots of open land. Only downside is our summers can get to 110+ and our winters get down to -40 or lower if you include windchill.
>>68531326
>LEAF
>>68533456
Criminals don't obey laws.
>"Looking only to official criminal records, data over the past thirty years consistently show that the mythology of murderers as ordinary citizens does not hold true. Studies have found that approximately 75% of murderers have adult criminal records, and that murderers average a prior adult criminal career of six years, including four major adult felony arrests. These studies also found that when the murder occurred "[a]bout 11% of murder arrestees [were] actually on pre-trial release"--that is, they were awaiting trial for another offense."
>"The fact that only 75% of murderers have adult crime records should not be misunderstood as implying that the remaining 25% of murderers are non-criminals. The reason over half of those 25% of murderers don't have adult records is that they are juveniles. Thus, by definition they cannot have an adult criminal record."
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html
Only an absolute retard would choose to disarm himself because black and hispanic gang bangers like to kill each other for sport.
>>68534020
Let me guess you third cousin was one of the ones shot there?
Cute. But no really fuck off nobody cares what a brit has to say.
>cuck
The irony is palpable
>>68531326
>Let's not consider the terminology of the time the document was written in when we interpret it.
you're an idiot.
>>68533233
Well for one, he got them illegally. He killed his mother and was already adjudicated mentally deficient, I recall, and would have failed the "under regulated" background check we have. The only way to stop something like that is ID tagging weapons, and that's whole mad cyberpunk can of worms we should never, ever touch.
Gee, it's almost like someone crazy enough and willing to commit the highest crime in the land, murder, namely of his own fucking mother and over 20 children, isn't fucking afraid of breaking gun control laws and will find ways to procure them anyways.
Also see
>>68533515
He didn't do it because he was around guns and they whispered him into murder, he did it because he was an insane man borne of a sick culture.
How to we protect high schools now?
>armed officers of the law my school had 5
how do we protect the president
>armed guards
How do celebs protect themselves
>armed guards
I don't have the money for armed guards so I want to be armed
>>68533836
Why would someone try to attack you with a knife when they could just shoot you instead?
Oy vey, come on, America has a gun problem you need to get rid of your guns like good goys. Trade your guns for refugees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z49iZ0O1bSs
>>68534154
How's the minority situation? I'm in Fort Smith and The colleges are about 40-50% black and there are a couple hood districts around.
>>68534359
you're being purposefully dense. stop being so intellectually dishonest.
>>68533891
Are you implying that the FOUNDING FATHERS, weren't terrorists who just over threw a government?
TOP FUCKING KEK
Kill yourself immediately shitposting leaf
>>68530336
There's only one.
There's nothing I can do about criminals with guns. What I can do something about is the psycho who shot up my city last month. He was a law abiding, mentally healthy family man from the suburbs up until Satan started talking to him through the Uber app, then he went on a kill frenzy. Repealing the second amendment would have probably saved lives. The mentally ill account for about 5% of total gun violence. The top motive for gun violence is drug crime. The second is personal disputes that escalate out of control, like at bars and night clubs. Taking guns out of the hands of regular people absolutely would save lives.
The question is whether those lives saved are worth giving up the right of the average person's right to have a gun, that's really the only debate that makes sense.
>>68533891
Which they have you damn cuck. They just ruled that tazers are protected under the Second Amendment. Did tazers exist when it was drafted?
>>68533891
Dear FUCKING LEAF, please see
>>68532954
and the fact that they used privately owned warships and cannons to fight against oppressive British rule.
God lord I hate you people.
>>68532747
Damn that's a sexy cz
>>68534579
>top motive for gun violence is drug crime.
legalize and regulate drugs then?
>>68534632
>They just ruled that tazers are protected under the Second Amendment. Did tazers exist when it was drafted?
You're literally agreeing with me, and you're too stupid to realize it.
With a plain interpretation approach, tasers would not be protected
>>68534514
Do you have an answer?
>>68534741
This is the obvious answer, but no one wants to acknowledge it.
I'm pro-gun but I don't like the free for all way it is handled in the US. I think it makes the "herd protection" much less effective to have it that way.
If there is to be CC, everybody should be mandated to carry and everybody should be mandated to carry the same gun.
I think in general the argument is just to have gun control -- not to entirely get rid of guns. So you're building a bit of a strawmen in the first place.
Gun control would mean things like:
Evidence you weren't psychotic, comprehensive gun registration, proof you can store your guns safely, a requirement for basic training in firearms before you can keep a gun at your home, and an end to conceal carry.
What is your argument against fairly basic gun control to prevent idiots and children getting guns?
I would say that you should also have a reason for having a gun. If it's just for defence then you need training in using a gun for self-defence. What's the point in having guns to fight the government if you can't even use the thing?
>>68534741
Sure, that would reduce it. I did a research article on this earlier this year that I can't post because it hasn't been published yet, but that would certainly help, but criminals who do criminal shit will find other criminal shit to do and other reasons to shoot each other. So not as much as you'd think.
>>68534914
Compulsory Nambu CC for everyone
>>68534732
It sure is
>>68534741
Ah ah ah, can't let you do that.
>>68534862
Of course he doesn't, he's meming like a millennial. Accusations of intellectual dishonesty are intellectually dishonest.
>>68530336
https://youtu.be/6a_MIVnTnqc
>>68533233
>consequences of gun ownership
You lack perspective.
The US has roughly 112 guns per 100 people.
The US has a population of roughly 318,000,000.
This means there are over 350,000,000 guns in this country.
More guns than people. There are also at least 90,000,000 people on record, admitting that they own at least one gun. There's no registry here and private purchases are not tracked, so that number may well exceed 100,000,000 today.
Meanwhile, we have about 11,000 firearm-related homicides annually.
11,000.
In the face of over 90,000,000 gun owners.
In a country with over 350,000,000 guns.
The consequences you speak of are more than acceptable. In fact, you and the rest of the world should be struck dumb by our heroic restraint.
>>68532738
I just need to know... how the murder rate ever EXCEEDS the violent crime rate
>>68534999
>an end to conceal carry
Nigger, law enforcement officials are telling citizens to get armed and to carry as the cops aren't supermen
T. Spics and niggers
>>68534373
ND Demographics in 2014
>White/Caucasian: 89.1%
>Black/African American: 2.1%
>American Indian/Alaskan Native: 5.4%
>Asian: 1.3%
>Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander: 0.1%
>Two or more races: 2%
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/38
Keep in mind most people in this state are based, not just the white people (Our colleges are just as 'progessive' as others though). But we have been getting an influx of street gangs from the Twin Cities and Atlanta.
Gunfags will argue that even with gun control bad people will still be able to illegally get hold of guns.
These same people will also argue in favor of stronger border control.
However, by their logic, won't bad people still be able to enter countries illegally so there's no point trying to enforce it?
>>68535337
That's why we need a wall.
>>68535297
Why can't they just open carry like a cop does then?
>>68535439
Most places open carry is legal, even in a car.
An infant should not be capable of murdering an adult.
Refute that faggot.
>>68535337
BUILD
>>68534914
Found the nogunz
No there are many people who shouldn't carry a gun and they don't, think women and space cadets
Everyones bodies are different and one gun makes no sense
I shoot the G17 like a pro but can't hit shit with some Sigs
>>68535439
You can. Some states you need a license to open carry. Others let you open carry without one.
>Why do you need guns?
To avoid this: https://youtu.be/42jpuXJPk0w?t=5m23s
>>68535422
No just build a wall around every one of Americas 340 million legally owned guns
>>68535337
>won't bad people still be able to enter countries illegally so there's no point trying to enforce it?
Since when did border control ever stop the mafia from moving freely between borders?
Of course it won't
>>68535168
fucking /thread
The majority of deaths to guns are a) suicides and b) gang violence. Those are both generally things that would happen, with or without legal guns. Mass shootings are statistically irrelevant; you are literally more likely to be struck by lightning than ever involved in one. The statistical insignificance of it is only ignored by the media and liberals for their own agenda based on emotion and the fact they like cities so damn much. It just legitimately is not a problem, all considered.
>>68533891
Welp, guess that applies to all the Bill of Rights. 1A is restricted to all technology of the time. NO internet, email, texting, anything electronic. You want your opinion voiced? Newspapers and standing on a street corner.
For a country that already has guns everywhere like america I think guns should remain legal, but for a country like Ireland, introducing legal carry permits will be terrible for the country
>>68535439
Criminals don't obey the law, remember?
>>68535168
/thread
Tyrants BTFO
>>68530336
Inster mic-drop
>>68535513
>>68535617
Right, so what's the need for concealed guns? I'm sure people aren't actually using it to kill each other that often, but I can't see much application for concealed carry other than to hide your weapon so you can spring it on unsuspecting people.
>>68535543
Infants need to be able to defend themselves you babbymurderer
>>68535337
That wold be a fair comparison if illegal immigration could be used as a means of self defense. Or if illegal immigration was protected by the constitution. Or if there were more illegal immigrants in America then people. Or if I could build an illegal immigrants in my garage with pipes and nails.
But what do I know, you're just some Brit too busy pining for the rest of the western world to join you in your gilded cage to think about personal responsibility.
>>68535867
>Criminals don't obey laws
>So we shouldn't have laws
>Derp derp, I'm so fucking stupid
>>68534741
this would work for a period of time until organized crime decides to move onto something else to make their money, my guess is an increase in human trafficking. so kidnappings will probably skyrocket if so. no way to tell for sure i suppose, but they're not going to just give up after their main source of income gets slashed.
>>68534999
Not much of a strawman. Commefornia had a push to ban ALL centerfire semi-automatics right after San Bernadino, along with a myriad of other things.
>>68535877
the point of concealed guns is so people like you with weak constitutions won't faint in fright at the sight of it.
>>68535647
We can have personal walls around each of our homes and let everything outside the walls go to fucking shit. The place will look like Brazil in less than a generation.
>>68535820
why
if anything it will rustle anglo jimmies
>>68535877
>spring it on unsuspecting people.
like someone who wants your wallet.
>>68535612
>No there are many people who shouldn't carry a gun and they don't, think women and space cadets
Everyone fit enough.
>Everyones bodies are different and one gun makes no sense
Makes sense enough for the military and police. In an actual happening, like a terror attack it would be immensely more useful if all could share ammo. Plus training (which should also be mandatory) is easier if everyone is using the same gun. In any case there could maybe be be two or three different options to choose from.
Answer me OP you fucking asshat. I'll be waiting.
>>68535543
>>68535877
It's so people can carry a gun in places it's socially unacceptable to carry one. Most gun owners are very, very paranoid people. Also, guns are expensive and it would be easy to just walk up to someone on the street and be quicker on the draw, and steal it.
>>68536110
Not to encourage people to attack you so you can shoot them or to legally allow you to sneak guns into crowded places then?
If you're too scared to face the consequences of carrying a gun you shouldn't be carrying one. Yes, people will think you are a delusional psycho and they will be scared of you. Why should you be able to hide that?
Because you really need a gun when you go to buy some more anal beads?
#notallguns
>>68536561
No, I don't speak faggot.
>>68536170
If you were open carrying they wouldn't try to rob you genius
>>68536585
Oh god. They don't want to open carry because they're scared someone will try to steal their gun?
>>68536561
not op but an infant will have trouble pulling a trigger. They need a good squeeze
>>68536633
Yeah open carrying makes you a target. Thanks for playing.
>>68536782
If only OC is legal, then they know anyone not visibly carrying a weapon is 100% unarmed and ripe for looting.
If both OC and CC are legal, there is no way of knowing whether or not someone is armed, thus everyone is safer.
>>68535820
What are the legalities of firebombs in Ireland?
>>68536633
This is basically how I feel about gun ownership. I am not trailer trash nor am I a farmer or a nigger. I live in a white neighborhood. I have no need to own a gun for my protection, and it would be inappropriate for me to shoot animals here. Literally no reason for it.
>>68530336
I would like the right to own a gun.
However if I did so would several million muzzies and shit would hit the fan very quickly.
>>68536534
Use incendiaries, the students and faculty have been trained to lock doors and hide under desks in the event of an attack.
>>68536782
If you're open carrying, they'll just cap your ass from a distance and take your wallet when you're on the ground lifeless.
>>68537031
>slightly quicker than it currently is
You mean.
>>68535877
>Spring it on unsuspecting people
You're fundamentally misunderstanding the fact that guns don't whisper in your ear to make you kill people and that law abiding citizens who get a carry permit aren't doing it for murder. As we've seen many times, someone willing to commit murder would probably not care about the relatively insignificant charge for illegal carry to execute.
The primary purpose is defense. Protection from criminals and people who mean to do you harm.
Again, the purpose is DEFENSE.
Like the guy above said, there are literally more guns than people in this country, and not accounting for gang violence and suicide, it's ridiculously rare considering that fact. However, many people encounter violent crime or muggings in their lives. The idea is to protect them from that. That, often, just drawing a gun is enough to make them run off.
Think of it this way. What of the weak? What of the 5'3" little blonde girl that the rapist sees going down the alley? What of the arthritic septuagenarian alone in her home, cased by criminals for a week who know they can snap her little bones and take everything she has just because they're bigger and she is weak? What of the family man, with a little daughter and a petite wife who has to protect them from five men trying to break in to rape, kill, and rob them all?
What do you want them to do, Brit?
Do you want them all to die at the hands of monsters, who likely never gave a damn consideration to gun laws in their lives?
Or do you want law-abiding, good people, weak or strong, to be able to protect themselves from the sad world we live in at times? Do you want them to protect their life and the lives of their loved ones from extreme harm and death, or do you just want them to roll over and take it?
Do you let them try to live, or do you leave them to die?
>>68533298
No, they were legally obtained.
>>68537031
You have the right, anon.
You just have to kill the people in your country that suggest otherwise.
>>68536633
see
>>68536817
Open carriers would be the first target if something were to go down. And besides, wouldn't you want every advantage available against a deadly threat?
>Go to corner store
>See open carrier buying something there
>Thugs rush in to rob the place
>See gun on open carrier
>Immediately shoot the open carrier cause he's an obvious threat to their robbery
>Robbers dismiss you cause they don't see your weapon.
>Citizen arrest or shoot the robbers cause they didn't see your concealed weapon.
>>68535869
>I'll throw some numbers at you and let you make your own conclusions
>ends the post by spoon feeding conclusions
okay then
> Supreme Court says ALL BEARABLE ARMS are protected by the Second Ammendment
What's your response, gun grabbers?
>>68536782
>Oh god. They don't want to open carry because they're scared someone will try to steal their gun?
Sure. Two Mexicans with their street shit .22 pistols get a free upgrade, all they have to do is draw on you at the same time. Element of surprise, you gotta give it up. A gun is only useful for protection if it's concealed.
>>68536935
This tends to not be true. Person to person crime is mostly opportunistic. Criminals will go after someone easy to rob, like an old woman at an ATM or a drunk girl walking home from a party. The first one couldn't see or move fast enough to shoot if she had a gun, the second one would be drunk in possession of a weapon, a felony.
>>68533891
>This means taking into consideration all the advancements, both technological and social, that have been achieved since 1787.
And hence, rights to firearms don't just pertain to those firearms available at the time. Thank you for unintentionally making the pro-gun argument.
>>68537361
the Supreme Court also says ALL ABLE BODIED CITIZENS OF FIGHTING AGE ARE PART OF THE MILITIA.
Why are people so scared of being responsible for THEIR OWN GODDAMN SAFETY.
>>68537237
Tell that to the people involved in Columbine (Which happened at the height of the most restrictive gun control in America by the way), Sandy Hook, Charleston, Virginia Tech, and pretty much any of the famed mass shootings ever.
Do some fucking research before you speak.
>>68531326
It has been interpreted multiple times throughout the ages by the supreme court.
>>68537048
there's a big big canyon between murderers and thieves
Any numbers I'd give would be pure speculation but surely a very small percentage of people who are willing to rob you are also willing to murder you for the same amount of material gain.
What's actually a lot MORE likely is non-confrontational robbery. Such as stealing parked vehicles and breaking into empty houses instead of robbing people.
>>68537361
Welp, time to get a 152 howitzer.
>>68537361
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
That's everyone. It means ex convicts, the mentally ill, drunk or sober, literally everyone. And all guns from muzzle loaders to repeaters.
>>68530336
Well criminals will get guns in spite of any legal restrictions made, so regulation does only harm the innocent.
But America has got it totally wrong... Too many guns, not enough background checks, loose and poorly enforced regulations. Intense paranoia and levels of corruption umongst civilians and cops leading to random shootouts, suicide by cop etc.
>>68537678
Using mass shootings as a reason for restricting others natural born rights to self defense. Instead of all the gang crime that happens in inner cities.
Let's not forget that most guns used in mass shootings are illegally obtained I.E. Stolen from someone they knew.
Why don't you do some fucking research before you speak.
>>68537627
Not scared. See >>68536960
>>68537854
literally
>>68537689
Tell that to inner city gangs.
>>68537956
Are you implying you have firebombs? Cause that's pretty awesome, but you probably shouldn't say that on here. ATF might get a whiff of it and shoot your dog.
>>68537983
Gang violence is largely restricted to gangs. Outsiders are rarely involved, they're usually shooting each other.
>>68537900
....what?
Read the post I was replying to or the others I've made, I'm definitely on your side of it, definitely shall not be infringed. That's what I was saying
>Background checks necessary evil because of mass shooters
>Except most of the mass shooters got them illegally
>Nuh uh!
>My post
I'm saying the same thing you did. Those were all cases of illegally obtained arms.
>>68538140
Oops, quoted the wrong post. I meant this one. >>68536990
>>68537689
Idk about your country but you aren't a real robber unless you've had to kill somebody here. In this world, conflict is inevitable and robbers who don't kill will be killed
>>68537707
> time to get a howitzer
i wish we had that kind of freedom here
>>68532104
This little thing called common sense.
>>68536960
Firebombs are illegal and are unheard of, they're only ever used by the IRA up in northern Ireland
>>68536162
Gun crime is essentially non existent in irleand, giving guns to everyone will change that, I'd much rather defend myself with my bare hands against an attacker with a knife than defend myself with a gun against an attacker who also has a gun
>>68537361
That was passed in the 1800s
They couldn't even fathom a 100 round magazine that can be replaced with another 100 round magazine in the space of 4 seconds. Semi auto wasn't even a thing back then. Neither was the Barrett. 50
>>68537689
So why do people comply when being robbed with a weapon if most robbers won't actually cause any harm?
>>68538294
This tends not to be true. Like I said above, person on person crime is mostly opportunistic. Crime related murders among unrelated individuals are rare. Usually there is an existing relationship that predicates the murder.
>>68538362
Well, I'm glad common sense is easily cited in court cases and clearly defines exactly who and who does not have their rights infringed.
>>68538405
Actually, Heller VS DC clarified that. A recent Taco Supreme case confirmed that the right to bear arms applies to all weapons.
>>68537678
I was actually talking about all finnish school shooters, like the one in pic of the guy you were talking with earlier.
I think you should do some research.
Also at least virginia tech shooter bought his guns legally.
>>68538228
my bad. got carried away with all the anti freedom people ITT. Should've read your comment chain before replying.
>>68538294
No worries man.
>>68531326
>a fucking leaf
>>68538410
Because I can cancel my cards and get a new phone. It's not worth the risk.
>>68538362
>This little thing called common sense
Funny because Thomas Paine in Common Sense called it freedom.
>>68530336
Against...
Because people like you may get to handle one when you cant even manage to make sense in your opening post for fucks sake.
>>68538389
You might be able to defend yourself but many are not physically strong enough. I don't think you guys should go full america-mode but concealed carry behind some strict guidelines wouldn't be so terrible imo
>>68538405
They absolutely could. They had semi-auto and, in a sense, magazine-fed weapons around that time, and what could be described as rudimentary machine guns and volley guns. Most muskets and rifles had like .50 caliber balls. Come one now.
>>68530336
SHALL
>>68534526
how the fuck where they terrorists? What attacks on civilians did they plan?
>>68538733
>not understanding that 'against guns' is a colloquialism for anti-gun or pro gun control.
>>68538294
I'm sorry but your views are highly delusional.
You're just absorbing the worst of the worst examples that you see in media and lead yourself to believe that is the norm.
Most robbers simply aren't willing to kill people.
This fact is most evident when you watch self defense videos of robbers carrying guns. Most of the time when the victim pulls a gun they have a chance to shoot, but they don't, they freeze up because their intention was never to kill but only to intimidate their victim into handing over their possessions.
>>68538536
I suppose it depends on the area. My state is filled with ccw so you can't rob somebody with out taking a huge risk
>>68530336
that gun is ugly and should be banned
>>68538389
>Gun crime is essentially non existent in Ireland
And you're right, your gun laws definitely are a probable reason for that.
I'm completely 100% pro 2A in the United States. I'm pissed off that I have to file a $200 tax stamp after paying 15k for a full retard weapon. I'm also pissed I had to file a $200 tax stamp after getting a C&R permit for an SBR(Obrez).
I'm also annoyed by the fucking wait periods and background checks.
Anyway, the point I'm making is - people tend to forget that Europe is not America. They don't have/need/want that right to own guns. So no need to get upset over it. So long as they don't try to spread their nogunz ideals on America.
I do wonder what the murder rate per capita would be if you take all of Europe(including Eastern) then compare that to the US.
>>68531565
Don't be a loon, bin that spoon.
Gun control is laying prone behind this beast and popping 2 liter bottles at 1200 yards.
>>68531179
>I just want to know the reasoning for their pushing gun control
>>68530336
Well I'm not against guns but I'll give playing the devil's advocate a whirl.
MUH FEELINGS! GUNS ARE LOUD AND SCARY AND REMIND ME OF MY OWN MORTALITY WHICH MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE AND SINCE I DON'T THINK I COULD USE ONE SAFELY SO I ASSUME NOBODY COULD BECAUSE I LACK ANY ABILITY TO COMPREHEND WHAT I CANNOT ABSOLUTELY IDENTIFY WITH
I HAVE LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE IN A SHELTERED COMMUNITY AND THE NECESSITY OF PROTECTION IS OUTSIDE MY FIELD OF REFERENCE.
I BELIEVE THAT POLICE ARE OMNIPOTENT AND CAPABLE OF BEING EVERYWHERE SO I CANNOT GRASP WHY ANYONE MIGHT NOT SIMPLY CALL THEM IN EVERY SITUATION DESPITE THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE COPS ARE CORRUPT BECAUSE I NEVER THINK ANYTHING THROUGH.
I HAVE ZERO FAITH IN MY OWN ABILITIES AND THE NOTION THAT MY LIFE MAY EVER BE IN MY OWN HANDS IS TERRIFYING
I THINK THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS NOT ME OR THE STATE IS A DROOLING PLEBEIAN AND REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY MAY BE COMPETENT
WHY IS EVERYONE ELSE NOT ME?!
>>68538405
The gatling gun was invented less than 100 years after the Constitution was ratified.
>>68539160
>>68538405
>>68538901
I don't think they are delusional. Maybe not as common as it feels, but I don't see how you can rob someone with a good chance of carrying a weapon and not be ready to kill them.
>>68534526
>>68538874
Eh, they were rebels and insurrectionists.
The only thing I can think of that could be considered terrorism would be tossing all that tea into the harbor. Those Loyalist civilians were probably pretty distraught since they couldn't have their afternoon tea.
>>68530336
I want to protect myself from people that would try to hurt the ones I love and I.
>>68538955
I'm a very good shot and I'm quite fast on the draw, but I would give up my wallet and phone to a robber because nobody deserves to die over a property crime.
>>68530336
gun ownership is directly correlated with gun deaths, whether it is homocide, suicide, or just an accident.
this is an irrefutable statistic. to put it simply for your little bible-thumping brain: people who live in areas or homes that have guns are much more likely to end up with a bullet in them, in a way that FAR outweighs any sort of macho "hurr durr i'm gonna protect me n my family" argument.
that being said, i dont really give much of a fuck about gun control. in New england we are still able to obtain firearms but have sensible controls in place in urban areas vs. relatively lax laws in more rural areas like VT/NH/Maine, which is perfectly fine and reasonable as far as i am concerned.
>>68539284
Yeah, but the only assurance you have that it's going to end with property crime is from the nigger threatening you.
>>68538901
You're right, it's not as common here in the US. Most robbers are cowards. But it does happen here. And I'm kinda curious how you feel about Brazil's thieves. Supposedly they blast you the instant you don't give up your stuff.
>>68539284
My buddy gave up his wallet and when the robber turned around, he drew and ended him. Still in court because he shot him in the back but it's looking like he will get off
>>68539408
And statistically, that would be the end of it.
>>68538591
>Virginia Tech
>Because Cho was not involuntarily committed to a mental health facility as an inpatient, he was still legally eligible to buy guns under Virginia law. However, according to Virginia law, "[a] magistrate has the authority to issue a detention order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment." The magistrate also must find that the person is an imminent danger to himself or others. Virginia officials and other law experts have argued that, under United States federal law, Barnett's order meant that Cho had been "adjudicated as a mental defective" and was thus ineligible to purchase firearms under federal law; and that the state of Virginia erred in not enforcing the requirements of the federal law.
The law was in place. Virginia fucked up. I can tell you that with the recent adjustments to the NICS system and background checks, the shooting would not have happened. It's a damn shame but more legislation would not have changed anything.
I will look into the Finnish shooter, but there's nothing but thought crime that can prevent someone with no record or signs of instability from getting it legally without infringing on the rights of millions for the actions of a dozen or so madmen.
It's also odd to me he was able to go through the much more rigorous process to obtain them in Finland, compared to ANYTHING in America, go through all of it and STILL be able to go through with it. Maybe you should consider how the system failed itself more than wanting a larger system.
>>68539046
>>68530336
Im all for handguns for self defence and rifles/shotguns for hunting, assault rifles are still a question mark for me tho.
>>68539363
Only homicides are relevant, though.
Nations with overwhelming restrictions on private gun ownership have higher rates of suicide than we do.
Accidents are accidents, and not indicative of a problem.
>>68530336
If I can get a gun, my enemy can also get a gun. But now my enemy can get a gun easier than me, so give me a gun.
>>68539609
Yep, and they are restricted by the ATF. You have to fill out several more forms than just the plain 4473 and wait to get your hands on any gun with automatic capabilities.
>>68539446
To do such a thing would be strongly against my personal beliefs. I would never be able to forgive myself for doing this.
>>68538997
>So long as they don't try to spread their nogunz ideals on America.
But they do do that. In the form of Piers Morgan and [Current Year] Man.
>>68539609
First thing the Soviet occupants did in 1939 was go door to door confiscating all the guns. We had a great gun culture before the war, a shame we've not restored it.
Never give up your guns Americans. Good luck and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
>>68539231
I don't think anyone goes rob a person that they believe very likely to be carrying a firearm.
>>68539421
There are probably high disparities in behavior of criminals between cultures for sure.
Also in Brazil it's very likely that you can get away with murder a lot easier than in other more developed countries.
>>68533135
That limits it to guns.
The second amendment says "Arms" not "guns" arms can be anything from a stick to a orbital bombardment platform or anything else the human mind can conceive that can be used as armament.
>>68531326
>"an estimated 75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border."
Stay close to us little one, just in case some shit does go down.
Is reporter matt damons less talented bro?
>>68531326
By your logic
pic related
>>68539046
Seems like kind of a waste of the .50. Why not disintegrate some cinder blocks or shop a tree for firewood with it?
>>68539363
You gigantic fucking idiot.
