What is your reason for not supporting this man?
>>68500297
>>68500297
A FTT to pay for the free public college is a fucking stupid idea.
>>68500488
Explain.
>we don't say,to the rich, "give to the poor", we just want to tax them at 90% and give their money to the poor
>>68500399
Because /pol/ depends on the milk that insanely subsidized welfare corporations feed them every day, the concept of a middle class that actually has money to buy houses, cars, start a family frightens them.
They would much rather those corps breed and bleed them while listening to every sweet nothing and platitude they spit out.
>>68500297
Im English.
>>68500297
We need a good reset of the system NOT more government programs. I think Trump is the guys that will do that.
It's a fantasy, like everyone getting a long nicely in diversity land.
People don't think this way, and the average Bernout supporter is proof of this.
If it truly were about helping those worse off than you, then I support that.
But what it's really about now is, there's a lot of low energy people who feel entitled to what the high energy people have produced. It doesn't work that way.
Bernie is appealing to the good Ol' days when whites helped a white brother out, and there was an unspoken agreement that were all going together.
Nowadays you have too many people of different kinds trying to assert their agendas over everyone elses, but want others to foot the bill for it.
Basically, people turned into shit amoral cunts who don't intend to give back once others have given to them. A system like that is unsustainable.
>>68500689
>taking less money from someone is a subsidy
Im not a cuckold
>>68500297
He thinks socialist policies can work in a multicultural, multiethnic society where whites (and maybe Asians) are the main tax payers and would have to pay for the services of niggers and hispanics. They hardly work in almost fully white societies, so how in the fuck would they work in America?
>promises of everything free
>already in largest of debts
...
What is communism?
>>68500297
Because he can't win, you moron
Old Jewish communist like him need to die.
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (Israeli Ynet News)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government." (When they set up the first commie government, out of the 545 commissars, 477 were Jews and most of the others were married to Jews.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
“Some call it Communism, I call it JUDAISM.” ~ Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism.)
>>68501197
Wow already extreme antisemitism in here
Slide it down
1) Bernie wants a minimum of a 2.2% effective tax increase across all brackets, regardless of income.
2) Bernie wants to tax me more on my federal income besides this. I don't make $250,000+ a year but apparently I still meet his definition of rich.
3) Increasing to a $15 minimum wage would increase wages by 50% (for states with an existing $10 minimum wage) to more than double (current federal minimum wage is $7.25). Small businesses would slash hours and make existing workers do more; larger companies will accelerate the pace of technological innovation, displacing most of those who would have benefited out of a job entirely.
4) 6.7% in new employer side payroll taxes that bernie proposes would make the labor cost to the employer even worse, making the points described in the prior paragraph even worse.
5) I disagree on Bernie's policies with immigration, namely the path to legalization for undocumented aliens and utter lack of enforcement (deportation) by CBP that he desires. This will just worsen the problem of illegal immigration as more people will try to enter the country illegally (whether via visa overstay or illegal entry) knowing they can get permanent residence/citizenship if they stick around long enough because nobody will try to make them leave.
These are just a few points, there are other positions of his I take issue with.
he is inept, angry, and there isn't much substance to his ideas, and when he tries to create substance and elaborate how he is going to bring on this utopia he fails horribly
i would describe him as the angry redditor's Hillary
>>68500297
He's a racist who hates whites.
>>68501364
The charge of "anti-Semitism" or "anti-Semitic" (read anti-parasitism), aimed at individuals who make basic, easily verifiable factual statements about Jews, Jewish power and influence, the jewish agenda, and the Jewish state of Israel is simply telling the truth about the Jews, exposing them for all to see. Labelling such truth as Jew hatred or "anti-semitism", is a false charge, a lie, a smear. It's name calling. This is a clever subterfuge to eliminate any criticism of any Jew for any thing. If any Jews happen to be involved in any under-handed or even illegal activities, and someone exposes that activity, that person is branded an “anti-Semite.” It is a convenient way for them to avoid dealing directly with the truth of the issues. So instead, they viciously attack the messenger.
>>68501069
No, giving money is a subsidy, which we actually do. We subsidize a huge number of industries to keep them competitive, such as airlines, internet etc. These companies have no reason to improve their systems such as laying fiber optic cables, the government directly gives them handouts then makes it harder for small businesses with better ideas to win against larger corps with more lobbyists. Had we not done this companies like Time Warner, Comcast would be dead by now or forced to evolve like the rest of the world and put down fiber optics. Airlines? We'd have high speed rail systems that would be the best in the world, but no, see we subsidize Airlines directly to keep them competitive. These industries are old and fossilized and stifle any sort of economic progress.
Both Trump and Hillary are candidates for the status quo, preserving failed economic systems and corporations as they exist /now/ instead of supporting industries which is what we used to do. The greatest leeches in our society are corps who pay almost no taxes, collect billions in handouts and buy our politics.
And it's funny that a board that constantly likes to dick swing red-pilled, red-pilled all the time have zero understanding out our political system. Some businesses do deserve to die if they're bad businesses, because they will be replaced by businesses that have a better model, and only an tool such as yourself who cares about maintaining status quo instead of actually moving our technological advancement forward is an anchor we should probably not feel bad about cutting.
>>68500297
He supports the terrorist organization BLM
>>68500297
hitler truly was a great man.
"whites can't be poor"
bernie sanders
>>68500689
>the concept of a middle class that actually has money to buy houses, cars, start a family frightens them.
It doesn't frighten me. I just know it can't exist like it did 20 years ago.
Wawa (gas station/convenience store chain in Philly area) replaced a lot of people with kiosks for ordering food at their stores a while ago. They employ fewer people. McDonalds started replacing most cash registers with pic related. The CEO of Carl's Jr is talking about a completely automated restaurant. Lots of casual dining names like Applebees, Chilis, and Olive Garden started replacing most of the servers with tablets that allow you to order food/drink, pay for your purchase, and play games at each table. Five or six servers get replaced with one server that deliver what people ordered on the tablet. Olive Garden in particular now plans to roll it out to all stores.
Bridges are already starting to go completely cashless for tolls, either reading an electronic toll tag or license plate via camera + bill in the mail. All the toll collectors gone (see: Deleware River Bridge on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, Tappan Zee bridge in New York - these are just a couple examples).
Driverless cars will eliminate employment for millions of taxi/limo and truck drivers within the next twenty years. At least for them they can take solace in the fact that the technology isn't entirely ready yet so they won't be replaced immediately.
Making humans more expensive is damaging in the long term because it reduces the break even point for automation. These self service registers for ordering at McDonalds are just the beginning - they already installed them and larger employers aren't required to pay the $15 salary in seattle until 2017, and smaller businesses until 2021 (so anyone arguing that the wage hasn't caused mass layoffs yet is missing the point because the wage hike is merely passed, not effective). Yet businesses are already trimming down on humans.
Jesus, Sanders wins two states out of the last 8 and the shills act as if he's won the nomination
>>68501676
Reddit is not that bad.
>>68501797
Full automatization and basic income.
>>68500297
Because I actually contribute to society by doing volunteer work, working, paying taxes, not spending money on the black market like on drugs, paying off my student loans, you name it. Therefore, I don't want to vote for someone who is going to increase my payment to society only to give it to people like my close friend who is 24, lives with his parents, lied his ass off on his federal funding application and now gets paid the same amount per year that I do working 40 hours/week at 11/hour for going to school less than 20 hours/week, spends all of his money on weed and video games, prides himself on being a shitty employee and never wants to get a job, and wants to vote for Bernie to justify his shitty lifestyle by getting even more free money to do absolutely nothing with his life.
Furthermore, Bernie is making racial tensions in this country worse by singling out the black race and saying that they are being unfairly targeted by police and laws and excuses the actions of criminals just to get some more votes. He doesn't understand basic economic principles, like why student loan interest rates are much higher than car or home loans. He actively blames Trump for inciting hatred within his supporters but at the same exact time takes absolutely no responsibility for the hatred of his own supporters. He's a bum who has done literally nothing in his life except get elected to the senate purely on the notion that he was a political outsider who had no experience beforehand, and now still has no experience in politics.
DUDE
There's even poorer people if you look outside America but Sanders is just a populist commie who tries to win votes by promising young kids that he will give them free college and shit.
>>68501797
Which means that menial labor/service industries will go obsolete, and that as a society we too should embrace the future and different sort of jobs will need to exist such as science and math. Oh wait, student loans are strangling and we're subsidizing failed businesses who have no means to evolve. If we decided to invest in renewing the interstate, and creating a interstate rail system do you even comprehend how many jobs that will create? Labor, electrical, mathematical, economic, management, you name it. The rest of the world wants to move forward and our current candidates are trying to yoke America back into the past.
There is no escaping it, we need to find a way to evolve, to eventually in 50 years time colonize the Moon and Mars and expand our species as well because we are running out of space. We are rapidly reaching the point where there are too many people on this planet, not enough ways to feed them, not enough ways to move them fast and efficiently and a dinosauric industry that is not evolving and not creating more jobs.
We need a president like FDR, like Teddy, like Eisenhower, like Bernie Sanders who are committed to huge costly public works projects that employ hundreds of millions and MASSIVELY stimulate the economy, they understood it, it fucking works every time it's done. That's the role of Government, not to subsidize shitty corps with shitty ideas that are dead and obsolete in this day and age. Trumps retard Muslim policy is meaningless because it does nothing for the future, it just keeps us stagnant fighting stupid wars instead of growing as a species.
>>68500297
Because he wants to help them with my money.
>>68502416
>like Bernie Sanders who are committed to huge costly public works projects that employ hundreds of millions and MASSIVELY stimulate the economy
he doesn't have a public works plan to stimulate the economy
and pushing min wage up to 15 an hour will ultimately lower the number of people working
???
>>68500297
feel the bern
>>68502416
>The New Deal worked meme
The New Deal lengthened the depression by ten more years.
>>68502416
>Which means that menial labor/service industries will go obsolete, and that as a society we too should embrace the future and different sort of jobs will need to exist such as science and math
There will not be as many of these jobs.
>Oh wait, student loans are strangling
Fixing it by making state schools free won't fix the problem, it just delays the burden of the cost to when someone gets a job. It will create a lack of incentive for state universities, textbook makers, etc. to reduce costs (actually increasing them) because there's no longer an obvious sticker price that needs to be paid by a single person.
>subsidizing failed billions
Are we going into the airline subsidy meme?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2015/04/14/u-s-airlines-have-paid-the-government-250-billion-amazingly-some-claim-they-are-subsidized/#4d4a2ae16530
>Of the $155 billion in spending through 1988 outlined in the report, the vast majority, $140 billion, was spent by the aviation trust fund that supports Federal Aviation Administration spending.
>The report does not mention that since 1971, U.S. airlines and their passengers have contributed about $247 billion to the fund, according to Federal Aviation Administration historical data.
>The airlines and their passengers today contribute about $10 billion annually to the fund, which currently holds a surplus of about $13 billion. The rest has been spent.
>In other words, the U.S. airline industry generally pays for what it gets from the government.
>>68502642
Uhh yea, he's gone on record stating he looks up to FDR and his main economic plan is to tackle industry and the highway systems. Bernie is very clear on his website showing all his policies, his tables and how exactly he plans to tackle each issue on his agenda. It is a lot more comprehensive than Hillary or Trump who just swing platitudes and "I'm going to do good, you better believe it!.. But I won't tell you how!"
Corporations aren't even paying a living wage for the workers they have. If they want access to the gigantic consumer market that America has they should be willing to pay for it. We should be an exporting nation, not an importing nation. We should be raising import taxes, we should be putting more kids in school who can get whatever degree they want to compete. If companies want highly educated workers, in one of the largest consumer markets in the entire world? They should pay for it, that is supply and demand, we shouldn't subsidize them to shit up America's Industry and fuck off to China. You think Trump cares about that when he does the exact same shit Apple does? Fuck off with that, Trump won't do shit about China or any other low wage country, he's an empty platitude candidate with no real answers.
Bernie's tax systems look crazy to you because of how FUCKED we've become with corporate shills in this country, his taxes for the rich are actually lower than Reagans (71%), fuck off with the same shit we've had for the last 50 years, the only way to make America great again is to fucking cut the anchor on all these leeches and let them drown if they want to leave the country.
>>68500297
Because he is deceitful beyond redemption and won't follow through with what he's saying. Literally the lowest of the low morons will waste their vote on this man.
>>68503276
>We should be an exporting nation
>Be slaves and produce shit to others
Anon you should be glad living in best country in the world. Being an export nation is usually left for 3rd world country that needs to develop its industry. Export is not a virtue by itself unless you get something for your export (import). It is called an exchange.
>implying the rich would ever pay tax
Pls.
>>68503276
>Uhh yea, he's gone on record stating he looks up to FDR and his main economic plan is to tackle industry and the highway systems.
thats an idea, not a plan
see, Trump removing illegal laborers to create competition between employers and raise wages through the new found scarcity of laborers is a plan.
Saying "im going to tackle industry and highway issues" is not.
That would only increase work for the construction firms employed by the government, which is not even close to enough people to matter
Your big sprawling responses haven't stopped you from looking incredibly retarded, in fact they may be the main cause
>let them drown if they want to leave the country.
they can leave and take their money whenever they want; and at his tax rates they will. This already happened under mitterand in france
>>68503598
I think you don't actually understand that America used to have the best steel in the entire world, we exported it everywhere. The best cars in the world. We had the best industry in the entire world. Now it's all gone, it's all been destroyed by disastrous trade negotiations.
>>68503276
>living wage
Here we go with the autism and vague notions of what is a "wage" again
>Pay the price
They do, it's called taxes, our business tax rate being one of the highest in the world, even the effective rate is higher. A wage is determined by market forces, if you're an unskilled piece of shit, you make unskilled piece of shit pay.
And busineeses are hiring more tradesman, not retarded college grads with degrees in the theater and women's studies. Not only that, but college is a choice, and an investment, if you want, you need to be willing to pay the price to get it. Not digging into my pockets so you can fill fulfilled with you vaginal art degree.
Ironic how you talk about parasites when all you did was describe yourself and your ilk as one.
>>68503748
We can only judge a candidate by their plans? Bernie at least lays them out, Trump just gives empty promises like every other candidate. We can only judge him by his actions, and his actions say "I will mislead you and import more illegals into my businesses, I will do more business in China". You think Trump will do shit when that's the lifeblood of his business? You're as deluded as Hillary voters.
>>68503789
we also achieved that with strategic tariffs and general protectionist policies.
Both of which Trumps for.
How many socialist countries ended up being manufacturing powerhouses again?
also,
no point in arguing this as bernie has no chance to even win primaries
>700+ delegates behind
>polling showing he won't take any future winner take all states
wew lad, supporting a loser must suck
>>68503789
It doesn't matter. If someone can do it better and cheaper so be it. If they give you steel they get something back in exchange - iphone, boeing plane, ford truck or whatever US is good at (and thats a long list). Export can't exist without import and vice versus.
>>68500297
He acts like the rich don't give to charity when they give billions to charity every year.
And that white-hating Jew bigot can go to hell.
>>68500689
That's some grade A salt right there anon, but you are welcome to come to my socialist hellhole when trump get's elected, I will literally trade citizenship with you.
>>68504095
I've always wondered what homeless people have in all those bags
>>68504024
>We can only judge a candidate by their plans?
ummm yes? thats generally how its done
>Bernie at least lays them out, Trump just gives empty promises like every other candidate
bernies entire platform is an empty promise. "free shit" is not an achievable policy
>You think Trump will do shit when that's the lifeblood of his business?
well considering maralago alone empoyees seasonal visa workers id hardly call it the "lifeblood"
when you take into account that he employees 35,000 americans you just look like an idiot
>>68504079
Democratic primaries don't have winner take all, it's all proportional so Sanders could win the rest of the states and still not have more delegates than Hillary. It's not like he'll be winning any major landslides again anytime soon. His campaign is running off principal at this point and the delusion of his supporters who think donating their life savings will help him win.
>>68502416
>The rest of the world wants to move forward and our current candidates are trying to yoke America back into the past.
Yes, Bernie most certainly is.
>>68504079
Right, and Trump one of the largest beneficiaries of free trade will kill his precious milk cow? That's how he made his money you fool.
I'm a firm believer that if a company wants to pick up stakes and move to China, they better be willing to fucking pay taxes if they ever want to do business in the US. We enabled this, and Trump benefited from this system more than any other candidate. And the only candidate running for election that has even addressed our dying industry and need for restructuring and public works has been Bernie and we have 40 years of honesty to see his track record. Trump just lies, and will keep lying once he's elected.
>>68504343
We've given corporations billions in free shit and they still leave. We gave them the carrot, now they get the stick :^)
"I want to help america help each other". No you cuck. You want to use the monopoly of violence called the government to steal from the makers and give to the takers, increasing the size of our countries economic sinkhole.
>>68504521
Trump already stated he would move any business back to the US when Congress made it profitable to do so, and listed the FTA as something that needed to be killed.
So I'm curious as to how you think he's resistant to this.
>>68504275
their home
>>68504275
notes from bernie telling them they can't be poor because they're white
>>68500297
He's weak.
>>68504658
And you believe him when every fiber of a normal human being would see that it's suicide to do that. If they want to do business here, they will pay their taxes, there are no ifs ands or buts. We are not going to turn into a worse version of China, devalue our currency and make the minimum wage $1 an hour to try and 'compete' with China as who can be the country with the best dick petting to corporate weasels.
No you tell them, if you move, you better fucking believe you're going to pay your import taxes or you won't get a single box in this country, and believe you me not having your product in the US is SUICIDE for a business like Apple.
>>68500297
Bernie is a mess.
Bernie is a waste.
Bernie is a big fat mess.
It's never going to happen.
[AIRHORNS EXTERNALLY]
>>68503748
>That would only increase work for the construction firms employed by the government, which is not even close to enough people to matter
FUCKING THIS RIGHT HERE. The promise of infrastructure jobs is complete bullshit because the jobs only go to well-connected construction firms and their army of Pedro, and NO ONE understands this.
>>68500297
Bernie is a Socialist Commie Kike, and I'm a true, red-blooded American. It would never work. Also, he's a total bitch with no back bone. Those qualities are never good for a president.
>>68500297
I wouldn't have a problem with most of his policies if he wasn't such a cuck for minorities. That, and the fact that socialism can only work in homogeneous societies or ones where all groups are on the same footing.
We need a candidate who will stop third-worlders from immigrating as soon as possible, before they damage the electorate any further to favor leftist parties, and Trump and maybe Cruz are the only ones who will do so. Maybe we can have socialism when we unfuck our social issues.
>>68500297
Hitler quote.
Bernie probably said blacks take what you want, whites stop taking you bastards.
>>68500297
Amnesty
>>68504894
>And you believe him when every fiber of a normal human being would see that it's suicide to do that.
Oh, and Bernie is somehow immune to this? Not only that, he has a plan that will somehow work for the private sector, despite having never spending a solitary day working in the private sector?
All the dude has is platitudes. If anyone can realize a way to bring the private sector back to the US, it's someone with a LOT of expertise in the private sector. So, while you may call him a liar (and you may well be right - only victory and time will tell), he's the best chance we've got between the choice of Hillary, Trump, Sanders, and Cruz.
Your socialist cunt has no foresight, and his plans aren't even properly funded. Proof: $750 billion dollars over 10 years for free college (averaging 75 billion/yr). Even if he manages to get what he's promising, you need to divide this out by the number of college students. According to cursory research, that's 20.6 million college students in 2012 alone.
That's $3,600 dollars per student per year. Not per class, or per semester. Per year. Think that's enough to pay for college, even if the college system doesn't get flooded?
>>68505213
>red-blooded American
Literally a commie. Bernie bleeds blue, like a true American. Like a true liberal.
Any American claiming to have red blood nurses the babyjuice from Stalin's balls.
For real though Trump backpedals more than John Kerry. At least Bernie stands up for his socialist policies and doesn't apologize, Trump and supporters should actually admit they are only voting on racial issues and don't give a shit about economic issues or the industry, and it's laughable that they pretend to care about the evaporating middle class. Trump has never given a SHIT about the middle class when he hired thousands of migrant workers. So fuck off with this pretentious cocksucking.
That I was right, commies are bad
>>68500297
Good economic plan, trickle down economics has always fucked the poor, and the US has the highest poverty rate of any Western nation.
He's a SJW lefty cuck tho and I'm scared that if he wins the nutty leftists will literally destroy Western civilization as we now it.
Is it true Bernie didn't have a job until he was 40?
How is that even possible?
>>68505644
>Racial issues.
Not even close. "Voting to enforce existing laws," and, perhaps, "change some labor/trade laws to make it advantageous to operate in the US than elsewhere," is far more accurate.
But keep standing on your moral high ground.
I'm sure yout don't have any hypocritical tendencies.
>>68505904
>lived with parents
>parents payed for college
>mooched off parents
>mooched off friends
>"freelance writer" for communist rag
>mooched off wife
>mooched off of family when he lived in Israel for 5 years
its no wonder he thinks everything can be free, thats how he lived his entire life
>>68505904
Marx never had a job. Imagine that, parasitical people have parasitical ideas.
>>68505904
>He explained his family couldn’t imagine his “success,” because “my brother and I and Mom and Dad grew up in a three-and-a-half-room rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn, and we never had a whole lot of money.”
>It wasn’t as bad as he says. His family managed to send him to the University of Chicago. Despite a prestigious degree, however, Sanders failed to earn a living, even as an adult. It took him 40 years to collect his first steady paycheck — and it was a government check.
>“I never had any money my entire life,” Sanders told Vermont public TV in 1985, after settling into his first real job as mayor of Burlington.
He lived on the dole until he was 40 so now he wants to increase the size and scope of the dole.
>One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps, and it was all downhill from there.
>Sanders took his first bride to live in a maple sugar shack with a dirt floor, and she soon left him. Penniless, he went on unemployment. Then he had a child out of wedlock. Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. “He was a shi**y carpenter,” a friend told Politico Magazine. “His carpentry was not going to support him, and didn’t.”
>Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about “masturbation and rape” and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was “always poor” and his “electricity was turned off a lot.” They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment — and this is what his friends had to say about him.
>The only thing he was good at was talking … non-stop … about socialism and how the rich were ripping everybody off. “The whole quality of life in America is based on greed,” the bitter layabout said. “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”
>>68500297
I wouldn't vote for him based on his horrible economic ideas - but God knows why he thought it would be a smart idea to spit on white people when he already doesn't get the minority vote.
Maybe he overestimated the amount of cuckolds in the US.
>>68500689
I'm an edgy free thinking high school death grips fan and I hate da big bad corporations :^)
>>68506149 here
The man also can't stay out of credit card debt, but we're somehow supposed to believe he has the ability to properly budget all the shit he wants to pay for.
>He finally wormed his way into the Senate in 2006, where he still ranks as one of the poorest members of Congress. Save for a municipal pension, Sanders lists no assets in his name. All the assets provided in his financial disclosure form are his second wife’s. He does, however, have as much as $65,000 in credit-card debt.
>>68506212
What race is the pink one?
>>68506149
>>68506288
Jesus fucking Christ.
What happened to his kid?
And how the fuck did he become mayor?? A 40+ year old man with zero experience in ANYTHING.
>>68506009
>My source is facebook!
Bernie is also
>>68506212
>Please look at those brown people taking $200 a month, and ignore the corporations taking $200 billion.
A great way to stimulate cucks in the south is to scare them that liberals are going to make their wives addicted to huge black cock. The only way to solve this is to get rid of the black folks!
Then you realize that most right ideology is constructed around one theme, the fear that brown people will take their wimminz and leave their thumbdicks with nothing.
>>68506212
>Death Grips fans
>edgy
Someone who gets cucked out of his own rally by bitchy niggets should not be president. I don't support him for the same reason I did't support Yeb. He's weak.
>>68500297
>that quote
Kek
>>68506395
I don't know.
>>68506514
> in my spare time, I like to play intellectual video games like BioShock, pretend to read Nietzsche because I think he is obscure and will make me look smart, and listen to swans.
t. I'm fucking intellectual superior redditor, conservatives r just dum southerners lolilololol
REMINDER
>>68500297
Shitty translation imo. "There's someone even poorer than I am" shoud be "Someone in greater need than I am". Also just how laughable that quote sounds when said about the USA just shows you that socialism can only work together with ethnic-nationalism
>>68500297
Because he wrote cuck and rape stories for a living
>>68500297
>man
That's why. Its about time that we have a female Prime Minister of the United States.
>>68506832
I actually don't play games and I don't read philosophy, I'm not even a socialist. Your buzzwords are all just hot stuff, and when your argument fails you start posting screencaps of 'burns' you read on the internet to make yourself feel happy and you try to project onto them and wish you could burn someone that good.
Reality is Bernie has a better socio-economic policy than Trump. I'm only voting in this election because we have two populist candidates. In reality I'm a moderate voter who votes on actual issues, you're a voter who wants to feel his dick get stirred by propaganda. and empty platitudes.
>>68500297
Because he's gonna lose? A vote for him is a vote for Trump
>>68500297
>be bernie sanders
>wants americans to just help each other out
>says, oh btw all of those illegal immigrants are now citizens
>you have to help out all of these illegals too
>i know they don't pay taxes or spend the majority of their money in the US, but we gotta help them guys
>i know they're already a huge strain on our existing "socialist" programs, but come on what's a few million more people
>feelthebern
>>68506212
Good Goy!
>>68506395
faggots
He's a loser, and a Neet, a Commie, and a Jew, and racist against whites, and probably senile, and a hypocrite. I really could go on.
>>68500297
Because his ideas are fantasy?
because he's a cuck without any backbone?
Because reddit is deluded to think that this man is their saviour?
You think mere words would convince adults, do you?
>>68501139
>le ebin nigger meme
>>68501189
>>68501197
>muh communism
Are you retarded?
>Australia
>>68500297
If he gives 99% of his income away to charity I will vote for him.
>>68507341
How new are you here?
>>68502805
>le meme meme
>mfw Hoover doesn't get blamed
>>68507811
>>68507923
>niggers
>meme
>communism
>good
you have to go back
>>68500297
I like the part where he wants to raise minimum wage to 15$/hr and only pays his interns 12$/hr.
Savage old man.
>>68507115
When redditors start doing damage control. I remember when I too was a redditor many years ago, and also lied about my intentions and true interests in argument to both simultaneously look open minded and hide my beta low energy.
>I'm.not a socialist
>I don't play video games but support Bernie Sanders
>>68500297
I've read fuckin Rothbard, thats the reason.
>>68507602
Is it too much to ask for republicans to know that Communism, Socialism, Facism are all different political ideologies and they aren't synonyms for each other.
And the worst part is this guy here actually votes. I hate to pick on people but no one actually seems to be able to argue politics and just devolves into a parrot that repeats buzzwords they heard.
>>68507696
Yeah, right, cause Clinton's plans are so realistic. She does not have a plan. She never talks about numbers. Sanders is in charge of Vermont and since he's there, his plans are relatively successful. Let's just hope he'll expand it nationnaly if he's elected.
>>68504636
>le poor people are takers meme
>>68500297
>>68505213
>muh communism
>>68508179
I watch anime but I don't play video games, are you calling me a liar? I'll fucking snap your thumbdick right off, kid.
You can't argue a point without hiding inside your pillow fort and all these little safety pillows you've created for yourself to hide from conflicting ideas. You're like a more racist college student.
>>68504636
High five, hamburbro.
>>68505904
I doubt it. There's lots of propaganda on that.
>>68500297
he's a demented man and his policies are delusional
he fucking wants to take trucks off the road and install are "state of the art" railway thoughout USA yet is wall is so extreme
>>68504636
>not recognizing a quote from le toothbrush-mustachioed austrian man
I lost respect for him after he bent over for those BLM protesters.
>>68508236
Most of the Americans think "Socialism" is bad word .. It's part of the cultural background I guess, they think it's a synonim of "totalitarism" or something.
>>68500297
"...and that's why we're going to take money from the rich. the relatively well off and indeed the poor, and give it to people who don't work."
>>68508564
That's because it basically is.
>>68508564
>implying a totalitarian government isn't necessary to implement socialism
>>68508443
Cry moar faggot, the only thing sanders will do is create a new generation of welfare dependents. Trump wants to bring decent paying work for low-skilled and semi-skilled laborers back to this country.
>>68506459
>What happened to his kid?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/140600-what-levi-sanders-has-to-say-about-his-dad-sums-up-bernie-sanders-campaign-philosophy
>When I was a little kid, I started with B. Then it was Ber and then Bern and now it's Bernard. Or the Bernster. I've never called him Bernie. And I never have called him Dad. Even when I was six years old, I thought it was childish. He was a friend, not an authoritarian.
Apparently Levi Sanders doesn't hate him. Works for his dad... on the campaign...
>>68508601
Typical british/protestantism bullshit.
>>68508101
"Niggers" isn't a serious response or criticism.
I never said communism was good. I just said that he's not a communist.
>>68500297
To spite you Redditards. I'm voting for Shillary in the primaries, then voting for a Republican on the generals.
>>68508660
You really belive it is possible to make manual labour so cheap in USA, so it is more beneficial to produce in America than in fuckin Bangladesh? You a moron.
>>68508564
>land of opportunity
>people taught that your work ethic determines how successful you are in America
>wonder why people from a country with this mindset would be against a system that redistributes wealth from the successful to the have nots.
>>68508601
Nice strawman
>>68500297
>What is your reason for not supporting this man?
Like the millionth fucking thread.
Not even going to look at the replies to this thread because I KNOW op got absolutely BTFO.
>>68508443
>openly admits to watching anime
>calls me a kid
>>68508622
There are several democratic socialist countries that
a) Have borders closed to syrian immigrants.
b) Have a much higher standard of living than the US.
c) Have free or nearly free education.
But the average /pol/ reader goes 'red-pill!' 'red-pill!' but then he reads the word "Socialism" and his programming kicks in and starts going off on a buzzword laden tangent, unable to actually explain his position.
>>68508624
Dude, I know you and your people have gone through a lot of amercian propaganda against the USSR and all, but it's not because there is the word "Socialist" in the acronym "USSR" that EVERY socialist government is totalitarian.
>>68508714
>http://www.bustle.com/articles/140600-what-levi-sanders-has-to-say-about-his-dad-sums-up-bernie-sanders-campaign-philosophy
He doesn't even call his fucking father "dad."
Does this mean he's illegitimate?
>>68508236
Socialism is communism with training wheels. It's like a "My first communism."
I could definitely see how one could be a slippery slope into the other.
>>68508622
>>68508624
Proof?
>>68500297
He's going to raise taxes (yes, even on the poorest Americans) and he refuses to stand up to BLM thugs.
>>68508902
Levi was born out of wedlock. All of the rest sanders has are stepchildren.
>>68502416
>it fucking works every time it's done.
>JUST FUCKING WORKS BRO
>JUST IGNORE THE ENTIRE GREAT DEPRESSION
Holy fuck you keynesians are delusional.
>>68508905
>slippery slope is real
>le ebin socialism leads to communism because I heard on Fox News
>inb4 that out of context Lenin quote
>>68500297
>Just wants to give out free shit
>Expects us to cave to BLM propagandists
>Will destroy world presence with foreign policy
>Still doesn't understand corporations
>>68508865
Don't criticize anime around me again while posting a Yu-Gi-Oh meme, you newfie maple sucking moose fucker.
>>68508936
Since when have BLM 'thugs' or 'terrorists' shot or killed anyone? Misguided yes, monsters no. Stopping a highway isn't terrorism and even your animal brain knows that.
>>68500297
That's a Hitler quote
>>68509009
>le FDR caused the depression meme
>>68508843
They're called tarriffs, genius. Third world slave labor will not be allowed to undercut american workers anymore if Trump gets in.
He looks jewish. Can anyone confirm?
>>68500297
I wish Australians would STFU about Bernie, sick of the god damned circlejerk. Fuck off to /r/Australia pleb, and join your intolerant brotherhood.
>>68508888
That comment hardly made sense. It sounds like you agreed that all socialist governments are totalitarian but not because of the USSR.
I'm guessing you really meant to say, "Although the second S in USSR stands for socialists, not all socialist governments are totalitarian like the USSR."
In response to the corrected statement, I would say that, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is probably a duck."
The necessary measures to implement socialism such as forced taxation and penalties for not following the socialist ideals can only be enforced by a totalitarian government. Just because you say it's in some way benevolent or just, doesn't mean that the measures necessary to implement socialism aren't inherently totalitarian.
You can't call a duck a puppy and expect me to agree with you.
>>68508849
how is that a strawman? bernie's plan is to raise taxes for everyone to give mo' money fo' dem programs.
the OP says he doesn't want to take from the rich and give to the poor but his policy is literally to force citizens to hand larger sums of money to an ever increasing government.
>>68500297
>>68508914
Name one socialist country that hasn't required some sort of totalitarian government.
Name one sort of socialist policy that doesn't require totalitarian enforcement.
>>68509137
>>68509009
The New Deal wasn't even a public works project, I was refering to Rural Electrification, but he read FDR and Drudge Report did tell him the New Deal was bad, so he went apeshit on me without even understanding FDR's politics, typical republican tactics.
>>68509385
Based on this logic Norway, Netherlands or Denmark are probably running people over with tanks and no one's even reporting it! Oh right, these are some of the best/safest places to live in the entire world.
>>68508717
nice argument m8. i r8.
I thought America was about freedom from the government, they even have an amendement which secures the right for civillians to protect themselves; even from the government in theory.
But now people like Bernie and Obama are active and they want more governemnt control, they are un-American by definition from what I can tell; I really wonder how this is even possible to fly in the US. Especially seeing the trend that more government isn't creating a much better USA.
They had something that made them so unique and now they're throwing it away, to be more like Europe? Americans are strange.
>>68509385
The duck analogy is only relevant in the sense that if it looks non totalitarian etc it's not totalitarian. How does the presence of higher taxes and government spending magically lead to gulags and forced starvation?
>>68509553
Because of le dem programs gibsmedats meme.
>>68500297
He's scum who has never worked a day in his life
>>68509385
You guessed right, that's what I meant.
How do you define "forced" ? Every government has to "force" things, that's what it does. I'm sorry, I know you guys are very dedicated to your so-called freedom but there is diffference between tax the corps because of the massive gap there is between the poorest and the richest and forced communism.
You're exagerating something in order to prove my wrong. Of cours,e if you're not able to see with your own eyes that you did'nt catch the meaning behind "socialism", you're right, you can't agree with me.
>>68509716
>people who don't want to work want the government to impose more shit on everyone else and give them shit for free
if the results of the primaries are valid in the general election (where for every 5 democrats that vote, 8 republicans vote) then the election is not going to be a real contest.
>>68508870
So what? It's like saying "Hey, psss, if you become our slave we'll feed you well". It's not really a problem for me, that you are willing to sell your freedom, but if you choose people that are going to take it away from you in a democratic election, you are also taking away the freedom of people, who don't want that solution, which is basically a crime and a violation of morality.
There is no such thing as "free education", "free medical care", nothing is free, they need to take your money away from you, to give it back after taking some for themselves. You pay your income taxex, value added taxes, and all the taxes producers pay on every stage of production of a good your buying, its called "tax shifting", and it turns out you are giving over 80% of your income to the government. Just imagine how rich the countries you mentionet would be as a free people. Could't they afford a fuckin school for their kids? Beeing 5 times richer than you are right now?
We're not a human beeings anymore, we're beeing treaten like a fuckin babies or a herd of cattle by our masters and we still want fuckin more governement. I hate the world we're living in.
>>68509912
Hey, give credit where credit is due. He's working hard for YOUR money.
>>68509584
The US Socialist Party had a famous platform in 1911 of which over half has been fully implemented -- things like a minimum wage, a 40-hour work week, a welfare safety net, and a guaranteed retirement income. We accept those things today as normal political issues, but in reality, they're all from the socialist agenda, and things which were once considered too radical for a capitalist democracy.
>>68509733
>nothing bad will happen if we keep increasing the size of government and putting it in charge of ever larger sections of citizens lives
>governments never tend towards corruption and mediocrity
>governments always remain benevolent when given more power
K.
>>68509221
So you want all the Americans to pay more for the things that could cost lest making the whole population poorer only to have things produced in one place, not another? That's fuckin brilliant.
>>68509716
>Obama
He's a corporatist, you're so up your own ass with propaganda you don't actually understand politics. All Obama has ever done is extend Bush's policies and extend the Patriot Act. Obama was basically Bush's 3rd and 4th terms. He does whatever his corporate masters ask of him, just like Bush. You think Trump is any different when he supported Hillary for President in 2012? He participates in the same exact corrupt system.
You're like a farmer who's watching your pig eat shit, and the pig tells you he's going to clean all this shit up when the pig wants nothing more than to eat more shit. And you buy all of that.
>>68509584
>require
Look up Alexander Dubcek, Salvador Allende, Rosa Luxemburg, Nestor Makhno, Yugoslavia pre 1990s, Imre Nagy, or Buenaventura Durruti. Those are a few figures of anti-totalitarian socialism/communism.
Technically any government requires some degree of force or coercion. Economic policy doesn't necessarily dictate how humane a government will be. Some of the most brutal regimes in human history were staunchly anti-egalitarian.
>>68509824
>things that are real are just memes
but bernie literally wants to raise taxes to give people free things.
>>68500297
I want some free shit.
>>68510328
>>68510076
There is no such thing as "free education", "free medical care", nothing is free.
Right, we pay our taxes, and we have a right to decide how those taxes are spent, like on making roads and highways, paying for police and fire fighters. You seem to not understand that no one is asking for "free things", they want the government to stop subsidizing bad companies with OUR money and actually use OUR money to benefit US.
It's like you have no fucking concept of what 'Taxes' means or how a tax even works. You actually seem to think that the government is stealing your money and it's disappearing into Obama's castle in the land of Narnia.
>>68500297
Giving "free" college alone, and forgiving of millenial's student debts, would literally triple the national deficit.
Also, "take more money from the middle and upper classes who make more than an arbitrary amount of money a year" is not an economic policy that is sustainable.
The rich folks got rich by being smart, they will fucking leave. Then you have no job AND your still in debt.
Because he is a liar.
>>68510619
You clearly have not read Bernie's economic policy.
How can you support someone without knowing what their policy is?
They are not planning on changing where current tax money goes, or not subsidizing large corporations.
They plan on ridiculously INCREASING TAXES for people who own businesses or companies (ie make a decent amount of money a year)
>>68510654
>climate change causes terrorism
why have libshits have to assume that islamists hatred of the west has to have a reasonable basis that has to be our fault in some way? maybe they just fucking hate us. maybe it's their fault.
maybe the guys who shoot women in the head for getting an education and throw homosexuals off of buildings actually aren't reasonable people at all.
>>68510811
Everyone making more than 10mil a year gets charged 51% (20% less than Reagan (rememeber REAGANOMICS WAS SO GOOOD!!)) on all income over 51% ie at a marginal rate. ie the first 9.9mil is charged at a much lower income bracket of 38 something percent.
Compared to now where we have included an insane number of tax cuts and ADDED legal loopholes to the code for deductions ON TOP of direct corporate subsidies so the effective tax rate on a company is near. zero. and still they move their company to China. Yeaaaa it's worked so well for us.
Bernie has outlined his plan to close loopholes, raise taxes on companies and make them pay their share, which they haven't. They've milked our economy dry and haven't contributed to it when they destroy local economies, unemploy millions then move overseas. They have no loyalty to America whatsoever no matter how much cheese we give them.
When the bailout came, Bernie voted against it. Guess what happened, those companies SUED our government because the strings that were tied to that bailout were toooo strict! (we have since cut those strings so those companies don't owe us shit, and Pfizer which benefited from the bailout is moving overseas anyways).
So fuck you and your corporate loyalism.
>>68510811
It's not just the rich.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>Adds four new income tax brackets for high-income households, with rates of 37 percent, 43 percent, 48 percent, and 52 percent.
>Taxes capital gains and dividends at ordinary income rates for households with income over $250,000.
This is for the rich.
>Creates a new 2.2 percent “income-based [health care] premium paid by households.” This is equivalent to increasing all tax bracket rates by 2.2 percentage points, and would raise the top marginal income tax rate to 54.2 percent.
This impacts anyone who makes any amount of money at all.
>Creates a 0.2 percent employer-side payroll tax and 0.2 percent employee-side payroll tax, to fund a new family and medical leave trust fund.
This impacts anyone with a job.
>Creates a financial transactions tax on the value of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other financial assets traded by U.S. persons. The rate of the tax ranges from 0.005 percent to 0.5 percent, depending on the type of asset.*
This not only impacts big wall street firms but anyone with a retirement account.
It's also estimated that his tax changes would bring in $13.6 trillion over 10 years (or possibly less due to reduced GDP/employment/capital investment as a result of his taxes), which will either not or barely pay for the healthcare and none of his other proposals.
>>68500297
Because socialism eventually fails.
>>68511344
>Tax corporations
>They just move overseas and take their money with them
>>68511344
You use lots of words that I don't think you are actually familiar with.
You know how I know you have never owned a business?
Corporate loyalist =\= Not wanting to get taxed more, directly and indirectly, for people who sit on their asses and want goodies for it
>help each other
>"IF YOU ARE WHITE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE POOR"
Yeah I'll totally be for having my money stolen for a nigger who's just as poor as me but he gets one over me because his skin tone is darker than mine.
>>68510619
You have no right to decide how those taxes are spent, that's the fuckin problem. Imagine there are 3 taxpayers, two of them want to build a road, the third one just want to buy some weed and get high. What moral justification stands for forcing the third guy to do whatever the other 2 guys want? Because 2 is more than 1? You have no power of deciding what your money are gonna be spend for, you can only pray there are the majority of people who want to spend them for same shit as you, that's the only case you have an illusion of controlling the situation in democratic society. If the two guys want to build a road, they dont need fuckin government suckin their money like a paraside to do so, they can just do it freely and eventually charge the third one if he want to use it. Government spendings and wealth redistribution are immoral, it is modern day slavery and the worse thing is you all just want your ass to get fucked by this fuckfaces above you. Shame on you, you're fuckin American, your ancestors used to praise your freedom and you just want to sell it for a nice story.
>>68511344
>Everyone making more than 10mil a year gets charged 51% (20% less than Reagan (rememeber REAGANOMICS WAS SO GOOOD!!)) on all income over 51% ie at a marginal rate. ie the first 9.9mil is charged at a much lower income bracket of 38 something percent.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets
70% tax bracket was for 1981, before Reagan entered office.
50% was the top tax bracket from 1982 (Reagan's first year in office).
In 1986, Reagan reduced the top tax bracket to 38.5%; in 1988 this was further reduced to 28%.
Bush Senior raised it during his presidency to 31%.
Clinton raised it in 1993 to 39.6%.
Bush Jr cut it while in office to 35%, cuts that were maintained during the recession by Obama. Obama raised the top bracket to 39.6% in 2013.
What you say isn't accurate.
>>68500297
Because history has demonstrated clearly that communism fails.
>>68500297
cause he acts like robin hood while scheming like the sheriff of Nottingham
>>68511891
mad references britannia
>All of these anons not knowing that's something Hitler said
>>68511622
>Increase tariffs on companies that move overseas
>Raise import taxes
All things Bernie has already outlined in his tax plan. Which means, little dumbass, if they move they will be fucked if they think they can sell their product in this country. Americans have become coddled and don't use the greatest stick we have, our consumer buying power, if you can't sell in US your product will never sell. You are absolutely retarded if you don't understand socio-economic politics and want to vote for a President like Trump who has gone on record saying he wants to drop the min. wage to compete with China.
>>68511763
Psst that's why we elect a president, mayor, governor, senator etc. because we have a representative democracy. They represent the will of the people on voting matters. THE PROBLEM comes when corporate interests => peoples interests. Which means politicians don't listen to where the people want to spend their tax dollars. Which is overwhelmingly on things like healthcare, infrastructure, space program, etc. Not fighting oil wars in Fuckoffistan.
>>68511401
That's the theory, you forgot about the tax shifting mechanism. When a new tax gets imposed on a producer, he immediately raise the price of his product to balance the burden. That's how all the taxes are beeing paid by the customers, the regular people like you and me, there is no way to tax the rich, tax the business, tax the companies. By trying to do so, you are imposing a tax on the middleclass making whole society poorer.
>>68512126
But hey, that's how representative welfare-redistribution democracy, which has acces to whole your money, as you gave them the permission of choosing what to spend them on instead of you, works, welcom on fuckin Planet Earth and have a nice having-yout-ass-fucked, hamburbro, it won't hurt as long as you've chosen the one to fuck you.
>>68500297
he's a fucking jude, should be hanged
How many delegates did he win last night vs how many Clinton won? Can anyone help a brotha out?
>>68500399
>>68500297
Hah I wonder how many berniebois would figure out that Hitler said that shit?
Also I don't agree with the sentiment just because a lot of people are poor because of their own damn failings.
Why should I enjoy my earnings less to prop up people who can't or won't manage their finances properly. Just because someone is poor does not mean they've been hard done by. In British society if you're 'poor' it's pretty much 100% your fault at this point. There's very little excuse.
I'm not at all interested in having less of my wage to spend on the things I want just so some stupid, shiftless, scrounging twat can stay at home and play ps4 and smoke weed all day every day.
I'm not interested in losing a big chunk of my wage so that some gutter slut can sit on her festering ass and shit out another garbage human because she doesn't have the foresight to set up a provider and a plentiful environment for her offspring.
Sadly it's become totally normal though. People act like the poor are just unfortunate... that they 'fell through the cracks'... As if society is someone out to hold them down. Another policy championed these days by the feminised left.
Everybody's burden becomes everybody elses. Half of our society are grown children, the state is mummy and everyone who pays tax has been roped into playing daddy.
>>68512683
>Look at you with your paved highways and your properly financed schools and police departments, j-j-jjokes on y-youuu.
>>68512754
He won a bunch of them, but then Hillary pushed him around and he said sorry for my privilege and gave her them all.
>>68500297
Our welfare state is expensive and crumbling down. It's exactly the kind of welfare he wants to bring to the US.
>communist
>jew
Sisley you don't need to see anything else to know he is bad news.
>>68512833
>we need to hold guns to peoples heads and force them to give money to central government in order to build roads, schools, and police
Hmm. This is why all skyscrapers, cities, utilities, and schools are paid for by taxes right?
>>68512126
And still choosing representatives doesn't change the fact that the ones that lost elections are beeing forced to do whatever the winners want only because there are less of them. Just think about how many things are forbidden in your country, then check what does "totalitarian" mean and think if beeing able to choose the ruler makes your state less totalitarian.
>>68513059
I like you
Because according to him, I am unable, and have no clue what it's even like to be poor, why would I support someone who denounces my existence?
>>68512833
You let them take 80% of your income and you're proud to have an education you could fuckin afford as a free person, un-fuckin-belivable, how strongly you refuse to realize you are a slave and you could change it if you just wanted to. You're just as dumb as Trump's redpillers, hamburbro.
>>68500297
I want to be the True First Socialist President of America. That's why I dont support him.
>>68512126
>reprrsentitive democracy
>>68512778
Do you really think they would be smart enough to spot that?
>>68512983
You literally don't understand how taxes work. No things like roads, public schools, parks, etc are paid for the state through taxes because they're non-profit things. You must be one of those deluded fucks who thinks a private firefighter is a good idea. House burning down? Better pay the guy to make him put it out! Going to the store for bread, better pay your toll!
We've seen what happens when you privatize things like prisons. The government STILL has to subsidize these companies and it's rife with abuse. Fuck your nightmare fantasy, holy shit.
>>68512833
>properly funded schools
>properly funded police
This kid is like a walking meme, I think he's using a proxy, because I don't know what country he lives in.
>>68513895
Right, I forgot republicans never went to school. So then I guess having an education really isn't much of a priority.
Better dead then red.
>>68514036
Nigger I never said anything about school, you were the one making fairy tales up about our schools being "properly funded" this isn't about my priorities kiddo, this is about the factually pathetic state of education in America, but sure let's do the same thing to college education, AND go bankrupt doing it, sounds like a great plan, it's a damn good thing you Melenial idiots are too young to vote and that your old commie candidate is already out of the race, it's sorta sad to still shill for him though.
>>68513709
It's not like we don't understand how the taxes work, it's you understanding the theory of taxes, and we seeing how it actually works.What literature are you basing your economical views on?
>bernie behind by more than 300 pledged delegates
>would need 60%+ victories in states to eventually match/meet Hillary's pledged delegate count at the end
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-seeks-to-dent-hillary-clintons-delegate-lead-as-race-moves-west-1458690421
>“[Sanders] lost momentum at that point, and we entered the endgame,” he said. “Unless there’s a huge surprise, it’s not going to happen.”
>[...]
>“I have gotten 2.6 million more votes than Bernie Sanders,’’ she said. “I have a bigger lead in pledged delegates, the ones you win from people voting, than Barack Obama had at this time in 2008. So we are on the path to the nomination.”
and yet they're pretending he still has a chance. barring hillary clinton being assassinated, comatose, or arrested over the email shit, she will be the dem nominee, period. Sanders has no shot. the lead is too wide.
>>68510184
Just because they were implemented does not mean they're not totalitarian in nature and they were not vehemently opposed by some at the time. Many today, myself included, find these socialist programs to be totalitarian.
Alexander Dubcek- in power for one year didn't do dick
Salvador Allende- accused of violating freedoms specified in their constitution in order to implement his socialist agenda
Rosa Luxemburg - "theoretically socialism might be ok" too bad that's just a theory
Nestor Makhno - used an army to enforce failed anarchy.
If you're using Yugoslavia as your prime example, I think you've got some serious issues.
Imre Nagy - communist citizen of the USSR. A prime example failed of totalitarian socialism
Buenaventra Durriti - Bank robber. "Yeah I hate capitalism, but gibs me dat money"
Lovely gang of failed leaders and criminals you've got there. I'm glad socialists has such strong role models to look up to.
Yes governments do require some sort of coercion to maintain the concept of a state, but the degree of enforcement necessary to implement these socialist ideas exceed the bounds of what a government should be allowed to do.
Article I section 8 of the US constitution does make the claim that the US government should "promote the general welfare" of the citizens, but they did not mean simply handing out free things. That section spells out exactly what which duties they are allowed to enforce. None of which include socialist practices.
>>68509062
Communism is Democratic Socialism - only faster.
With socialism in place, there is no need for democracy. Everyone's financial needs are met by the state, and democracy could only lead to the dismantling of socialism.
>>68514455
Uhh, yea, it's factually pathetic, because if you understood what I said Jimbob Siscuckerson, you'd see I was saying we need to put our tax dollars into education because we have a 3rd world education system. This is not a priority for the GOP because they're very gungho YEA CORPORATE WORLD ECONOMY. You want to compete with the world in education? Yea, you don't vote for someone like Hillary or Trump who see no reason in applying government funding towards education.
Our school systems are garbage and one element of our infrastructure that needs to be overhauled. The only candidate who's even brought up this fact has been Bernie because he's been the one setting the policy debates when it comes to socio-political issues.
Fuck you dude, you have no interest in actually talking about this seriously so I have no more interest in taking your shit seriously. If you want to regress into a 3rd world corporate cumsock while corporations flee en masse then go ahead and be a Trump/Hillary lackey, because their ACTIONS show us that is exactly what they'll do. I'll vote for the guy who actually brings up the problem and has a plan in place to fucking fix it, Trump has nothing but platitudes and empty promises.
>>68501364
hold up.
hold the fucking phone.
isnt that why we're here?
>old senile Jew
>backed by George Soros
>"Poor white people don't exist"
>"We need to apologize for slavery"
>old senile Jew
>>68513709
>House burning down? Better pay the guy to make him put it out!
>What are monthly payments systems
No wonder you are a leftist, if you can't even have the inventive to find the most basic solutions to the problems you describe.
>>68514759 here
Oh, I forgot, maybe she just decides to drop out :^)
Let's look at the rest of the rate
>too close to call in wisconsin
>Hillary BTFOing sanders in NY (57.4% vs. 24.3%)
>Hillary BTFOing sanders in Maryland (97% vs 3%
>Hillary well ahead of sanders in Pennsylvania (52.7% to 28.6%)
>Hillary with a healthy lead in California (45.8% to 32.3%)
>Hillary well ahead in New Jersey (55.8% vs 30.3%)
She's got massive leads in all the states that matter, when Bernie would need landslide wins to get the popular vote. The superdelegates will not switch to Sanders unless he wins the popular vote.
Sanders choosing to remain in the running is the best thing he can do - for the republican party. Hillary has to continue fighting him instead of the republican candidates in a meaningful fashion.
>>68501492
if u are white and support some guy who exclusively panders to minorities and never you
ur making a big mistake
>>68511842
He's not a communist
>>68501393
tfw you feel sorry for americans thinking $15 an hour is some kind of utopian fantasy. as an employer in oz, you'd get fined for even thinking about paying someone less than that.
having said that, we might be about to have a massive financial crash within the next few years. so many years away from having automation here though, so its all good for now but my hypothetical kids will probably be skrood
>>68514800
Not true
>>68514766
Too bad you're just speaking in theory as well.
>>68501492
hes a big old self-hating faggot. massive sandal-wearing commie from the 60s too. cunt didnt have a real job until he was over 40. ever find it funny how he says this and that about 15 years in government etc. (whatever the fuck the number is) and you think "what were you doing before that, berardo?"
literally a non-achiever.
>>68510328
This was also directed at (you)
>>68514766
>>68501831
>>68515161
>Buying fire insurance is your solution in the event your house burns down
>Buy a subscription to use the road
>Buy a subscription to the park
>Pay the cops a fee to pull you over less
Holy shit, it's like your masturbation fantasy of a republican utopia from Robocop.
>>68515342
Probably to due with the fact that only 10% of Australia is habitable and has almost no agriculture due to it's inhospitable nature, and the only thing it can export is minerals and even that requires truckers to drive a billion miles through fucking wastelands with nothing in sight.
>>68515342
And one AUD is 0.76 USD, making it comparable to $11.40. And shit like video games are like twice the price (I hear $120 AUD new, although perhaps you could confirm whether or not that generally applies to prices of most goods).
>>68515318
The jew is an inborn communist. The Jews fucking created communism.
Look at Bernie Sanders history. Google it yourself, you lazy fuck
>>68515002
But it's the fuckin redistributive, protectionist policy that changed beautifull US capitalism into corporationism, and yes - Trump/Hillary will intensifie this process, but Bernie also will and that's the problem. You belive you have any choice but you don't get you got this 3 passed of to you and it's no fuckin difference of who you gonna choose. Their policy is very similar, they just argue about shitty dumb things like Mexos because they arouse emotions and still they all just want your money.
>>68500297
Unless he's going to tell me that he will promise to keep the muslim invaders out, I want nothing to do with him.
Convince me that pic related is irrelevant and I will consider hating him less.
>>68515593
man he got old.
>>68515487
>self-hating
He's a jew who hates whites.
>>68515485
>speaking in theory
>providing documented proof that the socialist policies exceed the role of government
It's not a theory. It's all there. Black and white. Clear as crystal. Socialism EXCEEDS constitutional bounds.
>>68500990
Best Australia put it right.
If you don't want to be rayciss, go ahead and take race out of his post. It still applies.
>>68515487
#NO TALL REPTILLIANS
>>68501825
SonLong, nobody accepts the dick until its too late, ask bernie's dad. In all seriousness though, he should drop out instead of lining the pockets of media companies with his poor gullible donor's cash, running pointless ads which can literally achieve nothing. hes a cuck within a cuck
>>68515741
yeah, have you seen adam sandler lately? he looks like he has AIDS
>>68500990
the thing about the "good old days" is that there weren't any
>>68501581
this guy knows. the only way is forward, you cant just vacuum all those brown babies back up inside their mothers cunts and ship them back. the damage is done, a solution is needed, not looking back on a non-existent, idealized reality
>>68507115
>Reality is Bernie has a better socio-economic policy than Trump
Raising taxes to fund "free" health care and "free" college? To what ends?
Because my friends or people my age do and I'm a contrarian fuck who can't like things other people like
>>68500297
>>68515002
If you don't want to live in a 3rd world shithole then stop importing shitskins and kill off your nigger population. There is not a single white majority country that is third world. There is not a single nigger majority country that is first world.
See any patterns, libshit? You're so bluepilled it hurts. Redditors like you think they're so intelligent, but all you are is educated pussies with a thirst for social approval by your enfeebled college friends.
>>68502416
you suck redditor cock, but you make a sound point or two, massive public works have made china boom. but Dump has said from the start that he wants to stop spending money overseas nation-building and transform the infrastructure of the country, hes already two steps ahead.
Look, i think the thing you cunts don't understand is that Clinton, Trump or Szand0rs can't actually deliver what they promise. see:barack obama. of the 3, clinton is actually the most even-keeled and isnt making believe a magical world. she may be a fucking snake in the grass but at least she doesn't make wild claims that will just leave people disappointed. and i dont even support her (not that it would matter since i dont vote there).
point is, whoever gets elected, nothing will actually really change that much. and when it does, it will be due to external factors, not what the president says. presidents get cucked at every step, theres a whooooooooole branch of government designed to cockblock them and limit their power. people buying into the campaign promises is actually just embarrassing and cringey.
Its about a figurehead. If people think the US president is "commander in chief" theyre operating on a spastic level. The Generals and Defense department run the military, banks run the economy and the president reads the script, he provides the poker-face. its an important job, which is why you cant have a faggot socialist as your "tough-guy" when you're dealing with a world that hates each other.
Understand this, and truly you will be free from the angst. the more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>68501581
Two things.
1. Nobody on Earth can write a rational economic policy, because we lost a crucial economics debate in the 60's and fucked up our ability to write policy. Don't expect pol to understand its problems, but don't even expect Ivy League to know what the fuck it's doing. At best, only economic historians can explain what's going on, and even then, they aren't actually trained in the first place.
2. The all of the "big public works left wingers" had a social issue stance that was extremely similar to pol. Roosevelt locked up all the Japanese in internment camps as a response to the War. Comparatively, Trump just doesn't want them to immigrate into the nation.
Bernie is a weird hybrid between FDR and George McGovern, but he doesn't have any kind of historical backing behind him. He's a figure lost in time and space trying to do something that isn't possible; advocate economic issues while getting BTFO by far left social issues.
At any point in his discussion, a BLM activist can simply shout "that's racist" and the discussion is lost. You can overtly deny this, but we both know its true.
The best thing to do right now is to relax and just let things take there course. Nobody is getting through to anything, and the rank-and-file need to suffer up until they've lost everything. Once at square one, they'll accept that the world 'as-we-knew-it' was actually based on extreme ignorance and misunderstand. I get a kick out of, for instance, how incompetent Brussels is at managing the Islamists in their nation. Talk about being red pilled, this is perhaps the most important red pill ever happening is going on right there.
>>68517381
Apartheid South Africa being the exception, but they had an unorthodox solution.
>>68500297
Cradle to grave policies, degenerates love him, reddit, hypocrite, warmonger, edgy commie kid
>>68517061
That vid is fucking gold. My sides will be back next Thursday.
>>68515485
Here, I'll make it easier for you
1. the constitution out lines the roles of government
2. roles outside those defined are exceed the roles of government
3. socialist policies are are outside of those defined
4. Therefor, socialist policies exceed the role of government.
In regards to how this applies to totalitarian socialism:
1. If a government exceeds its roles, it abolishes freedoms once held by the individual
2. If a government removes personal freedoms, it is considered repressive by definition
3. Socialism exceeds the roles of government
4. socialism removes personal freedoms
5. socialism is repressive
6. Repressive governments enforced by a centralized government are totalitarian in nature
7. Socialism is enforced by a centralized government
8. Therefore, socialism is totalitarian in nature
>>68517551
kek. We both tried to calm him down.
You make great points though, I guess even an Australian can be right twice a day.
>point is, whoever gets elected, nothing will actually really change that much. and when it does, it will be due to external factors
Exactly. The biggest change of this election has already happened, which is the collapse of the Republican Party. After this point, it's only a matter of time which destablizization increase from our newfound '19th century problems.'
>>68517921
>Europe.
>>68503748
yes, quite.
>>68502007
Compare his record to Hillary's in terms of shit that they actually got passed.
Hillary got three namings done.
Sanders got a couple of namings done and got bipartisan support on a VA bill.
For an Independent, he sure has at least gotten more done than his shitty opponent.
>>68517551
Here's the one problem with your argument. If things stay the same, if nothing really matters and Bush/Trump/Clinton/Sanders/Cruz are all servants of greater masters than it makes no difference who we elect. By that same notion than why are people so up in arms about Bernie? It's actually because they think he does have the ability to change things, and that belief frightens them.
It doesn't matter all that much, Clinton keeps a hit list of all the politicians who are betraying her by supporting Sanders, regardless there's going to be a reckoning, and me posting here and us talking about the things Trump/Sanders have talked about is a sign things ARE changing, because before no one dared bring these topics up before, now we're discussing them on a national level.
The government isn't run by reptilians bro, that's the ultimate re-redpill.
