/pol/, redpill me on PMCs.
Are they effective in any way? Do they ever see actual combat? Or is it just where vets go to pasture and play soldier?
The only one I really know of is Blackwater and the shitshow that went down in the Middle East, and that's about it.
>>68485505
PMC's do things that we cant put in the papers but can't allocate any SF to do either
it's the most American thing their possibly is, outsourcing
>tfw worked for Triple Canopy for 3 and a half years
>>68485505
Mercenaries in the modern day afford lack of accountability in regards to established military organizations and the governments associated with them. That and it's difficult to try a merc as a merc-
>"If you were to be tried as a mercenary in a court of law, your lawyer should be shot and you should be shot too."
PMCs are useful because they can operate under the radar, and basically go around murdering and raping without much trouble. And if they do get in trouble you can just change the company name, right black water?
>>68485505
tfw you'll never be a PMC shooting piRATAs from the ship you're guarding.
>>68485658
Im thinking about joining a pmc once I've spent a while fighting for australia how would I get in contact with a pmc is it just like any normal job interview signing up
>>68485980
Blackwater (when it used to be blackwater) just had a form you filled out on their website indicating your experience
>uniformed soldier dies
>gets in the news, family gets visibly rekt
>bonus points if the operation was super spooky sekrit
>PMC monkey dies
>no news, family gets notified but zero media coverage
>buried in a ditch if the operation was super spooky sekrit
>>68485505
The Mercenaries being bad worse than soldiers meme is a misconception and the media highlighting the very few instances of PMC's fucking up in the war on terror certainly didn't help their image. In truth, most mercenaries are better and more experienced than your average enlisted soldier, this is because the majority of them are vets looking to make some money after leaving the military.
>>68486119
I was thinking something more reputable than that shitshow like a pmc that only would take ex sf or people on that level
>>68485923
iktfb
I would much rather be on a crusade with an established religious order of soldiers.
>>68485505
In the current state of affairs, it's probably the only good reason to pick up a gun. I wouldn't want to risk my life for Jeudeau and his pet sand niggers, I would however risk my life for a disgusting amount of money.
>>68485505
They take on more risks, have shittier equipment, no backup, and are more experienced than your normal enlisted soldier. They're effective.
>>68485505
black water no longer exists. they have broken down into multiple companies to save face, I believe they are currently in three companies called the constelis group or something like that and yes they see combat you need to have a good deal of experience to go currently. Back in the early 00's you didn't even really need much experience though, you could have just been a cop.
>>68485505
Usually old US soldiers looking to continue their experience somehow
>>68486234
Are you SF? Are you in the RAR with multiple trips (read MRTF1-MTF1/2) and are now holding a minimum rank of CPL with a CFA qual and one or more support quals (ie: 62/63/65/80)? Are you in the Provos with a CPPO qual and many years of experience operating within that role?
>>68486736
Not yet its good to plan ahead though
>>68486428
>I wouldn't want to risk my life for Jeudeau and his pet sand niggers
Uh you know American PMCs are currently fighting for Saudi Arabia to restore the ousted puppet government in Yemen, right?
>>68485980
It's a normal job interview but they'll look through your record pretty intensely. Almost every PMC I went too wanted to see combat experience
>>68485505
There's more mercenaries than ever lately, like literally hundreds of companies from STTEP South African military fighting in Nigeria to Vinnell Americans fighting in Yemen https://careers-ngc.icims.com/jobs/search?ss=1&in_iframe=1&hashed=-435741439
>>68488272
I was reading in the early 2000's like 2003'ish some companies would hire former retired LEO's from large cities with SWAT backgrounds. Who knows the truth of that.
>>68487279
You won't make SF. Stop dreaming about PMC bullshit until you pass cadre you dumb cunt.
>>68489766
Don't pretend to know someone you someone you dont know anything about
>>68489865
Don't listen to him. If it's something you really want to do, just make sure you are in TIP TOP FUCKING SHAPE before you commit to anything. After that it's all mental. If it's actually something you want, you'll find a way
>>68489990
>>68489865
CARDIO #1
>>68489990
I know what im getting into im not gonna go full direct recruitment retard, prove yourself in combat and if you're not dead after a while request transfer into a commando unit
>>68490083
Just went for a 5k in between posting in this thread
>>68488563
they do
I know a few DT's that have been hired by Triple Canopy. But if you want the real $$$ you better have combat experience
>>68490251
I don't know how Australian SOF works, but here you absolutely CAN direct recruit into SOF, and that's not a terrible way to do it. Like I said though, the more in shape you are, the easier it will be to put all of your focus on moving forwards
>>68485505
They escort convoys of semi-trucks and drive around VIPs
They have gotten shot at, and been caught a few times and stuck in a fight but if there is trouble they usually nope on out to save money
>>68490588
Its not that good of an idea to thats why I wanted experience first seeing as you only get one shot
>>68485980
As far as I heard, your best bet is combat experience and having been in Special Forces. Aprrently they'll accept regular infantry, but you'll need to have lots of experience and spent quite a few years in the military.
That's British SF guy was talking about it on TV. If you want the good stuff and pay, you'll need to be SF or had multiple tours in a combat zone.
As far as I know, Australia won't be in any real wars anytime soon.
>>68486220
PMCs are also at the forefront of tactical cardboard box development
>>68490900
Well yeah if you just want to play it safe that's not a terrible idea
>muh super duper secret deniable ops mercenaries
That shit is just video games.
In reality, PMCs that the US employs typically are not on the forefront of offensive or critical operations. Instead, they are relegated to tasks the military deems "below" its own men. Think along the lines of VIP escort, peacekeeping, convoy escort, logistics, guarding checkpoints, that kind of stuff. Generally speaking, PMCs are not employed when a determined resistance is expected. After all, why would you waste one of your best platoons guarding a UNICEF clinic or roadwork project for three months when you could hire a bunch of nobodies to do it for you while you send your actual men to do things that actually matter.
In the rare event PMCs are involved in combat operations, they still serve as auxiliary troops at most.
>>68485505
Those dudes provide a service in return to getting paid fat stacks yo. All of them were in some way SF and have lots of combat experience. I know a few regular infantry guys and marines that all had combat experience get declined every PMC job they tried to get. They aren't easy jobs to get.
>>68491274
Yes, that's why PMCs get paid more than their "best platoons"
>>68490588
>direct recruit into SOF
You mean as a civilian? Fuck that'd be tough.
>>68490985
>Want to join PMC
>They want experience
>Can't get experience without joining PMC
FUCKING BOOMERS.
>>68491540
No. You basically get a contract when you enlist that guarantees you a slot to get into a certain SOF program. If you make it through, you're in.
You still go to basic and training for your specific MOS beforehand.
>>68489865
Do you want good advice based on experience, or pre-teen faggots blowing smoke up your ass based on all they've learnt on the internet and CoD? If you have questions, ask. But you won't make Selection for either unit.
>>68491664
What happens if you fail?
>>68491859
Depends. If you fail out of RASP (Army Rangers) you are put into the 82nd Airborne division, which is still not bad.
Air Force recruits that drop out usually go into Security Forces (basically Military Police) which sucks literal testicles.
>>68491792
Any advice would be welcome I want to be well prepared and im not a quitter dont worry about that
>>68491973
So you're basically gambling on your ability to make it through and if you fail you're obliged to join a different (less prestigious) group?
>>68491792
What makes you say that though dont think I would be good enough or something else
>>68491973
I've always wondered...
What do MPs actually do?
Is it like in the old cartoons where their sole task is to just round up drunks who haven't returned to base yet?
>>68492154
Be a hard cunt. What job are you looking at? Or are you looking at SFDE?
>>68492385
Yes.
For Rangers, the people who fail are the ones that aren't serious about it. It's pretty hard not to be in good enough shape after DEP (Delayed Entry Program) then Basic training, then advanced infantry training, THEN Airborne training, and finally RASP. That's plenty of fucking time to get into good shape. After that it's all mental (barring you don't get injured)
>>68485505
Ocelot.!
>>68492597
Basically police, jail guard and tard wrangler all at once
>>68492597
No, they also do prestigious things like stand at a gate for 12 hours, write tickets, base patrol etc etc. Why anyone would do it if they don't want to go into Law Enforcement I do not fucking know
>>68492820
I'd imagine its a lot quieter and less demanding than law enforcement.
>>68491612
Blackwater offers military training for civilians (at least in the US),
people who sign up for atleast 1(?) year get it automatically free.
>>68492529
Out of every 50 civilians that pass recruiting, 25 make it through. Out of those, half again make it through IMT. Half again for IETs. Out of those lads one or two might attempt Selection for 2DO or West. And as you know, lots of those lads don't make it.
>>68492597
The roles you describe are undertaken by DPU, Domestic Policing Unit. They're the lads that catch you speeding on base and make your life hard if you fuck about on the tins when you live on base. There's heaps of other jobs undertaken by 1MP, have a look on the defjobs site for their roles and responsibilities.
I'm having dinner with a few clients, so it might be a while between posts. Don't want to be a rude cunt.
>>68492691
That sounds like a pretty great opportunity to be honest. I wonder if we have something similar here.
>>68492626
The main reason for me wanting to be in commandos is normal infantry doesnt get as much combat as the special forces and thats the only thing im singing up for really aprart from protecting Australia's interests of course
>>68491274
this desu
Are there PMCs that offer training so we don't have to join government forces
>>68493287
Closest thing we had to a scheme like that was if you survived 4 days of SAS selection but didn't finish the whole thing, the Commandos might select you. Now Commando selection is it's own thing.
>>68490251
Like this anon said >>68489990
You need to be in great shape and focus primarily on endurance, but the key factor is your mental fortitude. There is a reason SOF has such a high washout rate. You may have the strength for regular army but you need to dig deeper almost down into your inner being and find out who you really are and what you are made of. Anyways good night and good luck.
t. 0372
You do not need to be former SF. They will take anyone with proven leadership experience and combat tours in a NATO or white Commonwealth military. Training experience is also looked on very fondly.
Unless you plan on working in Iraq in 2004 you are not going to be door kicking and shooting people in the face. The big draw at the moment is maritime security. In the 90s it was for mining companies. Iraq was a blip, the type that hadn't occurred since the mid 70s.
Not all PMCs are mercenaries and not all mercenaries are PMCs. Go ask the mercenaries in Croatia, Nagorno Karabakh, West Africa and Mozambique what they got paid. You make more on welfare. PMCs gave more people more opportunity to earn money as they do more than provide an infantry force.
Brussels, London and to a lesser extent Johannesburg are the "mercenary" capitals of the world in that if there is a conflict and you want western troops you go there. Geneva was also used, very subtly, to take in and out select figures through diplomatic channels - usually to Africa. London also provides about 40 percent of the private security contracts in the world, more than any other location.
Finally, are they effective? Yes, in providing private security, risk assessment and training. They lack the equipment, support and in many cases youth of professional fighting units. They're recruited to do a specific job at a specific time in a certain place, expect them to adapt and they would fall apart. The idea that they undertake work that would be usually carried out by professionals is ridiculous. Mercenaries, if they even exist in the way they used to, are usually a lot more willing to actually fight offensive battles and take part in conflicts without a billion dollar contract.
>>68493577
No, and anyone that is offering that is a fraud.
>>68493578
I was thinking more of a scheme where you enlist with the express purpose of joining something like the SAS
>>68494044
You don't even know if you like soldiering yet, but for some reason you have it in your head you're cut out for that.
To be blunt, you have an equal chance of doing anything "for real" in an Australian/New Zealand SF unit as you do in a line infantry unit solely because if there's some sort of international crisis the people concerned are going to call the British, Americans or French. You don't have any overseas commitments and only get involved in anything when you all get taken along.
>>68491540
>Aus direct recruitment has a failure rate of something like 90% per training cycle
>>68494044
You can do that too. Just to do an extra few days before pre-selection. If you pass then the plan is too throw you into Battalion until there's room on cycle.
>>68494327
It makes sense though. They'd be so far behind it isn't funny.
Murika was supposed to have citizen soldiers not a standing army so I think when we go to war it should be essentially a shitton of PMCs spontaneously deciding to go conquer a place, like the Iliad.
>>68491455
They get paid a lot because back-up is extremely limited. The job is dangerous as fuck, recklessly so.
>>68494301
>but for some reason you have it in your head you're cut out for that.
I don't actually, I'm well aware that I'm not the right sort of person to do this. No harm in fantasising a bit though.
>>68492597
MPs do DPU, Field Policing (detainee handling and force protection with doggies) and CPP details.
When I last spoke to them, there was a big push towards Field Policing (with doggies being pretty competitive to get into). CPP is obviously highly competitive due to the kind of job it entials.
You also have investigations via ADFIS which isn't a bad gig if that's what you want.
>>68494534
You'd be surprised how little ends up in your pocket.
It certainly isn't something you get into if you want a steady, guaranteed income.
>>68494634
>CPP
Certified Protection Professional?
>>68494686
I know a few former RM guys who do security cover for the boats off the African coast. It's a lot of money tax free and you get to sit on the deck sunbathing most of the time. You'd need to be mad to want to go back to Iraq or Afghan.
>>68494743
close personal protection
>>68493466
There aren't many tasks going for SF these days, friend. Do your ROSO in a batallion, then have a crack. You'll have a better understanding of what you need to achieve and how to do it by that stage.
>>68494044
Yes, the SFDE scheme is still active. The margins are still low. Lower than 90%. As old mate said, those that fail are rotated through Singo to hit a rifle battalion once they've passed RAInf IETs. Lads can have another crack once they get some time up.
>>68494536
Join the RAR or a CER. Sort out your life and your SF aspirations from there.
>>68491455
That's more because they're a private company. CAPITALISM HO!
>>68495434
listen to this man
CEs have more fun though :P
>>68494327
>>68494404
>>68495434
around 10% is better than I would've expected really.
>You can do that too. Just to do an extra few days before pre-selection. If you pass then the plan is too throw you into Battalion until there's room on cycle.
Sweet, I think I'll actually look into it further.
>RAR or a CER
Wrong flag but I appreciate the advice all the same.
>>68492597
Act like fuckwits, use yowie suits and hide in bushes to target speeding drivers on base. Pick up drunk diggers in town on the premise that they're just "giving you a lift home" only to take you to base and chuck you in the cells.
I swear MP IETs is just "how to be a fuckwit and go jack on your mates"
>>68489766
Don't listen to this faggot
Most of the faggots on /fit/ could pass SF, and the majority of the army is learning how to do your dirty laundry and make your bed. You'll be more prepared to be a dry cleaner than a fighter.
>>68496202
>most of the faggots on /fit/ could pass SF
no
>>68485505
First you must stop using terms like PMC and tell me the full name of them and i will enlighten you.
>>68496202
Here's your (you)
>>68490364
Do 20
Fucking 5k what a bitch, you'll never be hardc0re if all you do is 5k. You should be aiming for 500k and if you pass out before 500k you should aim for 1000k the next day because of what a pussy you were the day before.
>>68496119
MPs don't have mates to be jack to.
The camp I used to live with only had two of them since it was so small. One of them was bullied out of the sigs. The FUCKING SIGS bullied him. That's like being bullied out of the chess club.
>>68496267
Yes, if you have iron man level cardio and decent physical strength you can pass selection.
>http://2commando.gov.au/images/2_cdo_regt_suggested_physical_training_workouts.pdf
Here is a preparation program for selection, I guarntee you at least 20% of the faggots on /fit/ could do this. If OP really wants it he could train 4-6 hours a day and make SF easy throught he direct recruitment scheme. Bonus points for doing this while starving or sleep deprived on 3 hours or less sleep. If he wants it he'll do it.
>>68496506
It's true outside of the SF all soldiers do is learn how to iron their shirt properly for when they do parade
>>68496858
You're fucking retarded for thinking SOF is only physical
>>68496858
Everyone on /fit/ would fail selection because none of them are mentally stable. Also >>68496942
>>68496942
The mental aspect will be easier if OP is physically fit and if he trains while starved and sleep deprived. He could also fuck himself with a cactus and masturbate with sand paper while squeezing his balls with a pair of pliers. Then he'd be ready for selection. No pain no gain if he really truly wants it he'll do it.
>>68497222
Like I just said, you're fucking retarded for thinking that physical training is the only aspect to SOF
>>68497290
With my training ideas OP will be physically and mentally prepared. He'd be 100% ready for selection.
>>68497380
Dude was the milkman a fucking brick wall?
American mercenaries like Blackwater are SHIT
These guys on the other hand have put down TWO nationwide nigger rebellions with a Hind helicopter, a BMP and a T-72 main battle tank
South Africans mercenaries in general are pretty hardcore, you don't hear much about it but they are in Nigeria slapping Boko haram's shit right now
>>68497476
I don't know what that means
OP could also eat bad asian food and get food poisoning and then go for a 30k run barefoot in sand while shitting and throwing up. Or he could have a cold shower in the middle of winter then go for a run naked outside and get hypothermia and then cure his hypothermia by sitting in a sauna for 5 hours doing push ups. I went for a run once and got hypothermia and my skin turned bright red. I think OP should just train harder, you guys are just crushing his dreams without even knowing him.
>>68490985
>As far as I know, Australia won't be in any real wars anytime soon.
Damn straight. We've lost many young men for the sake of other countries already
>>68497476
holy shit stop putting words in his mouth goddamn yank
>>68498079
I'm not putting words into anyone's mouth. He just doesn't seem to understand that there is a 90% attrition rate for a reason. And that reason is NOT simply because people didn't come "100% prepared for selection".
>>68498206
>He just doesn't seem to understand that there is a 90% attrition rate for a reason.
Yeah because 90% of people today are fucking little bitches. You think these dough boy faggots who sit in front of a screen all day are going to pass selection. You think soldiers who learn how to shine their shoes and stand in perfectly straight lines instead of learning how to fight are going to pass shit?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_LaLanne
Look at this old ass mother fucker
>1984 (age 70) – handcuffed, shackled, and fighting strong winds and currents, he towed 70 rowboats, one with several guests, from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary, 1 mile.[40]
He was in his 70s and was fitter than your faggot ass that's for sure. Because he trained hard. You little faggots are just a bunch of fucking school girls who don't train hard enough. You're not XTREME enough for this shit mate.
>>68491455
>Thinking that wages is the only cost of keeping a soldier in the field
>>68498449
>1959 (age 45) – did 1,000 jumping jacks and 1,000 chin-ups in 1 hour, 22 minutes, to promote The Jack LaLanne Show going nationwide. LaLanne said this was the most difficult of his stunts, but only because the skin on his hands started ripping off during the chin-ups. He felt he couldn't stop because it would be seen as a public failure.[36]
SCHOOL
GIRLS
>Aboriginal man who was chasing kangaroos or waterbirds barefoot on a lake edge in south-western NSW about 20,000 years ago. Footprints he left in the mud reveal he was sprinting at 37 kilometres an hour, and still accelerating.
>While this is less than the 42 kilometre an hour peak that Bolt, now the world’s fastest man, reaches in his 100-metre race, the Jamaican has the advantage of spiked shoes, a special track, a strict training regime, and money and glory to spur him on.
>http://www.baka.com.au/world/science/men-x2013-theyx2019re-just-not-what-they-used-to-be-20090805-ea31.html
You faggots just don't train hard enough you should be training 14 hours a day everyday and eating 10000 calories a day. If you want to be a special forces fag you can do it, you losers just want to sit around being weak.
>>68498449
>Yeah because 90% of people today are fucking little bitches
Lmao lets see you do it then if you've got it all figured out
Fucking autismo
>>68498669
I did try I got banned forever because I failed the psyche exam for trying to fight the recruitment person. I would have kicked his ass too.
>>68498816
Holy fuck I've consumed too much of my life being rused by an Aussie
>>68498846
I'm dead serious, I'm not even joking. I went to my YOU session and everything but got banned forever for picking fights with people.
>wanting to be a ZOG whore
>>68496858
>if i can fill out the basic requirements then i'll make it
It doesn't work like that. These units are full already, the only time there is a new position open is when someone quits or gets promoted. Selection is held to find the best applicant for the role - much like jobs in the civilian world.
Nowadays with the job market being shit and the military looking to cut back spending with the Afghanistan deployments winding up, it's a buyers market and there would be insane competition for probably one or two jobs per recruitment cycle and to be in one of those two you'd have to probably be a former professional athlete who could have made officer easily. When comparatively in the 90s and 80s, you could easily get in if you were in /fit/ shape with determination.
That's another thing the Boomers and Gen X ruined, btw.
Thanks for the info cunts real helpful even though this cunt >>68498449 had a minor stroke and fucked the thread
>>68499515
You should have gone in when the Iraq war Gravy train was still rolling.
>>68499603
You're not going to make it, you're too much of a soft cunt. You should be fucking threads everyday like I am.
>>68499515
>Nowadays with the job market being shit and the military looking to cut back spending with the Afghanistan deployments winding up
What a load of shit turnbull just increased spending in the military by 80% and they've updated the website to make it look cooler in order to convince more dumb school kids to join. They're even advertising for the air force using a hot air balloon. They know a huge shit storm is around the corner and a war is brooding on the horizon and they're trying to get as many bodies in as they can before the shit hits the fan.
The days where you needed 4 degrees, experience in the SES and a football trophy in order to be accepted into the military are fading. When shit hits the fan they'll drop the standards.
If you're looking to join a PMC they ALWAYS need combat medics.
>>68499772
We never had that here, but it would have been insane in the US.
>>68499869
>spending increases
It's buying new equipment and retraining existing units for the modernisation program the ADF has planned. It isn't a recruitment drive for thousands more soldiers.
>huge shit storm
It's safely another 5 years away at least.
>standards drop when there is an actual need
No shit, but we aren't there yet and we won't be for years now.
>>68500376
>It's buying new equipment and retraining existing units for the modernisation program the ADF has planned. It isn't a recruitment drive for thousands more soldiers.
Then how come every job on the ADF site is open with an APPLY NOW button
>>68500848
Because the people who run the recruitment centers need something to do.
If you were to go to a YOY Session, you'll find out about the waiting lists and how selective they are in who they want.
>>68501049
I went to one years ago but like I said got banned for a long ass time for trying to pick fights
>>68485658
18yo here what's the minimum age to get in?
I scored a 83 on the ASVAB but I don't think the chair force is for me not at least until I get my bachelors
>>68485505
PMC are just rent a cops. They guard gates and check ID's at cafeterias over seas. If theyre prior service and former Spec Ops they MIGHT get to do something interesting like be a personal security detail for a government VIP or someone out of an embassy or something but they mostly just do gay shit like guard foreign national construction contractors while they fix the plumbing on base or some stupid shit. It pays well but its mostly gay shit desu senpai
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