I know it's bad, I know it's destroying the nuclear family but I can't find the words to explain it to someone else. pls help me on this one famalam
Hook-up society is wrong. It destroys the nuclear family.
Because bitter 27 y/o kissless virgins like myself would rather play video games and masturbate to cartoons than pay for an old 6/10 that spent her youth riding the cock carousel and making fun of me.
>>68427883
lots of stds
>>68427883
People with more sexual partners are more likely to divorce after marriage.
Kids raised in single parent households are a lot worse off than others. There's studies done on both of these.
>>68427883
Here you go OP.
>>68427883
People having casual sex until they're 30 instead of forming a family in their early 20's is a big factor in keeping western culture birthrates down, while muslims reproduce like cockroaches
>>68427883
And some more stats.
>>68427883
Not respecting your partners
Seeing the opposite sex only as objects for gain
One night stands aren't going to lead to marriages
Without a monogamous partner you're investing more energy into the pursuit of sex instead of bettering yourself
I could go on.
>>68427883
It's not -- the only people on /pol/ against it are faggy little spergs and Elliot Rodgers types who come on here to vent when their crush is blowing some bro or black guy.
And the rare ACTUAL hardline Christians - but my guess is that's <10% and I actually respect the shit out of that.
>>68428943
>Without a monogamous partner you're investing more energy into the pursuit of sex instead of bettering yourself
What incentive is there to better yourself when you're in a stable long term relationship? I mean if we're talking about bettering yourself for your kids' sake, sure.
>>68427883
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSrYR2XvR6A
It's not just hookup society. It's the separation of sex and reproduction in general. Casual sex, porn, and all that glorifies these things is the problem.
>>68427883
>>68428645
>>68428928
Fuck you /pol/ I was spending my time forgetting about this shit and you brought it up AGAIN.
Thanks to you guys I have issues with trusting women.
Herpes is grim.
I've never had an outbreak since contracting it but it left a scar on the shaft of my dick.
>>68428545
are you actually a 27 year old kissless virgin??
I thought that was always a meme and people like that actually dont exist
>>68427883
>>68428545
>I know it's bad, I know it's destroying the nuclear family but I can't find the words to explain it to someone else. pls help me on this one famalam
Simple:
--if you are capable of partaking and enjoying the hook-up culture, then it's a good thing and should be embraced
--if you are incapable of partaking in the hook-up culture, then it should be shunned
It's simple human nature.
>>68428645
Correlation doesn't equal causality desu.
>>68429433
>issues with trusting women
Why do you need to trust women?
Your ego should not be dependent on the actions of a woman.
She's not yours to keep, it's just your turn.
>>68429541
There are guys out there that don't give a fuck.
>>68429433
I have issues trusting women because of women. Did you know a woman can end an 8 year relationship through a facebook message and want to stay friends afterwards? I do now.
>>68429737
yeah but thats going against human nature i can't believe guys can hold out that long
because it fucks with your outlook of family life. i mean if that's not important to you then go for it but influencing younger people to do it gets them used to treating relationships as nothing more then benis in vagina :DDD and they don't ever form real bonds with their lovers. it's not rocket science.
>>68429541
25 year old virgin here. It's because I never go out or interact with people. Glad I never got involved with women because now everyone is fucking everyone and cheating is rampant.
No stds, no problems, no divorce, no hating on men for everything, nothing. Just me and myself.
>>68429870
They aren't holding out, they are involuntary celibates.
And at some point they rationalize it all away. Tell themselves women are horrible and aren't worth the effort.
MGTOW is how betas and omegas justify their passivity and laziness in the face of a difficult challenge.
>>68429952
>>68429870
Literally never gave a fuck to give. And I had women offer themselves to me.
>>68429870
Hobbies.
>>68427883
Men in their mid-twenties are getting throat cancer because they gave oral sex to an infected woman (HPV and others).
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
>>68430074
It wasn't involuntary for me, it was an unconscious choice because I always felt disgusted by women that took interest in me. Felt like getting away from them ASAP. Don't know why, maybe trust issues or something.
>>68430074
>Tell themselves women are horrible and aren't worth the effort.
This is a fact though.
>>68427883
STDs
impossible to find women who aren't sluts
no one's getting married
no one's having kids
the few kids that are born grow up in single parent families
people lose their morals and act more and more degenerate
This shit is literally destroying society, that's why it's wrong.
>>68430074
>Tell themselves women are horrible and aren't worth the effort.
And they're right. Especially in our society today. At the end of a day, it's just a warm hole that you instantly start to become disinterested in when you climax.
>>68427883
It's instant pleasure, like drugs, like sugar, etc etc etc. It'll feel good then and there, but then what? Alone again, wanting that other half you don't have, and if you keep going only able to make a physical connection and not an emotional one.
Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. A real woman, while able to make a mistake which you must help correct, will devote herself just as much as you should to a true nuclear family. The more effort you put into raising your family, the more rewards you will reach as you get older. If your son isn't entirely degenerate for example, and you are old and dying, he will care and help you as your brain deteriorates instead of letting you sleep in the street for one. But it can't all be instant gratification. You have to WORK at it.
>>68429857
Try a 9 year relationship, with 3 kids, ended over one 20 minute argument.
Modern thinking turned me into a single dad.
Shit post on /pol/ or get and STD. Which one would you pick?
>>68428592
This
Lotta HPV going around college campuses
Am I on /pol/ or did I click /r9k/ by accident?
>>68430308
Nah bro, it isn't a fact. Women are one of the most fundamental pleasures of life.
You convince yourself that women are horrible as a rationalization to protect your fragile ego.
You all read your horror stories about women on the internet, but anyone who does interact and have relationships with women, like me, will tell you they aren't the monsters you build them up to be in your mind.
>>68429541
Yes, let it be a lesson.
I started coming to this site when I was 16 and would always get depressed at the 23+ virgins and tell myself I had so much time to change.
Escape while you still can. I actually gave up a few years ago I could have probably got laid easily by now but once you go so many years you stop giving a fuck. I work, go to the gym, play video games, and go to bed. It's an O.K. life.
I used to be afraid of dying alone but my grandma just passed away and outside of Christmas and Easter nobody even went to see her and after the funeral it's like she was never even here so I stopped caring about that too.
>>68430485
What was the subject of the argument?
sex before marriage is immoral
>>68427883
>Proliferation of STD's
>Loss of intimacy inherently connected to sex
>Less desire to form positive, monogamous marriages based on commitment because sex can be found elsewhere
>Increased divorce rates because marriage isn't as valuable
>Destruction of nuclear family
>Propagation of single-parent children (usually single mom) which statistically impacts society in a negative way; both through crime statistics and increased reliance on welfare/gov handouts.
>The abortion debate (regardless of your position on abortion, it wouldn't really be a thing if people didn't have unwanted children)
> Ruins lives via unwanted children especially with regards to teenage parents
What else do you need to know OP? Hookup culture tears at the fabric that all human societies have been traditionally based on.
>>68429541
We exist, but obviously are a tiny minority. I've never even held a girl's hand.
I had social anxiety in middle and high school which I have since gotten over, but I don't really care as I know the odds of me finding a good woman are so small that I see no point in trying and I have no interest in casual sex. I make good money and have plenty of hobbies to keep me busy instead.
>>68430622
>Implying
You faggots come out of the woodwork every time trying to play alpha dog on fucking 4chan, but the reality is most of us have had relationships and that's the main reason we can't stand modern women in the first place.
>>68429541
The ones that are out there typically don't bring it up because who would?
Which leads people to believe there's not as many as there are.
>>68430622
Women are horrible. There are a small minority of women that are not horrible. Those women are thus in high demand, and the average man, no matter how hard he works, can never acquire one. He has to settle for a bitch who will ruin his life.
>>68429177
Bettering yourself for your own sake, as any person should do.
>>68430622
So you're saying all women universally all behave the exact same way?
Sex and orgasm have a satiating effect on the mind. Casual sex and porn fapping have caused the apathy and cuckery that allowed the happenings in Brussels.
>>68427883
it's wrong because I'm a virgin
>>68430807
Translation:
I'm a beta in scarcity mode and I can't leave a shitty woman because I'm afraid I won't find another one.
>>68429694
>>68429857
I don't like to look at them like this, it's terrible to know that they're such animals and love is just chemistry like a shot of dope to keep you hooked, I guess I've been brainwashed a fantasy of the old days or something but it seems you got to keep them chained like one (not literally) for them to stay with you.
Financial ties, emotional ties, social ties etc..
Oh well, I guess I've got to deal with it and I just need to respect them knowing they can't do anything about what drives them.
>>68430947
THREAD
>>68430999
There aren't even enough good women for the alpha males, let alone the betas.
>>68430999
what a waste of trips
>>68430895
Actually I'm countering the claim that they all behave in the exact same way.
Shitty women exist. It is a mistake to think all women are shitty.
But not really a mistake. A defense mechanism.
>>68427883
Every time you stick your dick in a girl without the intent of any kind of relationship, you're creating or reinforcing an unhappy woman. Statistics show that people with less sexual partners are happier in marriage.
You're also aiding in displacing white people by spreading hookup culture.
>>68430622
No man wants to marry a slut, but all women are sluts nowadays. Women are only worth the effort when they aren't sluts, otherwise she will never be capable of truly loving you and seeing you as special, you'll just be another dick to be used and discarded when she feels like it.
>Dating girl
>I'm senior in HS, she's junior
>I graduate
>plan to live by myself all summer since family is moving away but I want to stay with GF
>family moves
>gf leaves me next week because she doesn't want to do long distance
>living alone for two months without family or gf
>few months into college
>she tells me she is coming to the same college next year
>avoids me and won't even be my friend once she's here
I don't get women but she was my girlfriend for all 4 years of high school. If anything, I'd say the "me me me" mentality thrown around on here is more or less true, but I didn't let it turn me off of women totally. That's cuck behavior.
>>68430074
Anyone can have sex easily with enough money, you'd need to have your dick locked in a box to be an involuntary celibate.
Staying moral is far harder than being a lazy whore.
>>68427883
Because most people here aren't getting laid, and so they are projecting.
>>68430780
What about raising a child, anon?
Fuck women, I just want one that will bear my son.
>>68430999
Kek, you're probably the biggest loser in this thread. They always bark the loudest when it comes to pussy.
Pussy ain't that great bro.
>>68431217
>they aren't the monsters you build them up to be in your mind.
But some are. And mathematically, there aren't enough ones that aren't to go around for all men, so why bother making a woman your sole goal in life?
>>68427883
>>68428545
This. They didn't want me then, I don't want them now.
Just me, my fleshlight and 2d women.
>>68430074
>let's ignore mental issues it must le beta and le omega xD
some people are just fucked in the head
>>68431351
>all women are sluts
This is what MGTOW's tell themselves.
What exactly is a slut to you? Any woman who won't devote her entire existence and life to pleasing and protecting your weak ego?
You want a woman with a 0% chance of dumping or cheating on you. Your expectations are shaded by your insecurity.
>>68431387
>be girl in HS
>everyone judges you
>parents are around
>go to college
>no one gives a fuck
>no parents
>can slut around and no one talks shit about you
There's nothing wrong with the hookup culture, unless you are excluded from participating in it.
I race mixed with a hot (pretty secular) pakistani girl on saturday. I'm visiting her tomorrow as well and no one can stop me.
>>68428545
>27 y/o kissless virgin
You should kill yourself or unfuck your brain right this minute.
>>68431773
That was the standard a few decades ago and for all of human history.
>>68430880
Incentives, incentives, incentives. People aren't born with a natural instinct to better themselves. Mine was seeing my life and future completely shattered at one point, for example.
>>68431497
I think he fears he will lose his son to his hypothetical wife in a divorce.
He is not wrong tbqh
>>68431765
dont forget actual autists. feels incredibly bad to know that physical appearance and money isnt everything.
>>68431558
>there aren't enough to go around for all men
The vast majority of men are beta faggots who stare at a screen all day and never approach women.
>see thread
You don't have to be a Chad, you just have to be in the top 20% of men. Which honestly is not difficult, you just have to not be an MGTOW-tier pussy.
The meme that girls from the former Eastern Bloc would be more feminine, submissive and loyal somehow need to fucking die already.
Sure, some of them might still be, but those who've had a taste of Western culture are just as bad as their sisters living in Sweden, France, Germany or the US.
The expats (often Polish women) are the worst.
>>68428545
wew lad.
i feel bad for you.
>>68431461
24 shekels have been deposited into your account
>>68430485
Kill your wife right now
>>68432053
>The vast majority of men are beta faggots who stare at a screen all day and never approach women.
That doesn't address my statement in any way, shape, or form. If every single person in this thread stopped using computers and went out to meet women, that wouldn't somehow generate additional women.
>>68431773
How about women who actually value virginity enough to save it until marriage? Is that so much to ask?
>>68427883
Living off your base instinct to have lots of sex without any moderation, while denying the reason for that instinct (reproduction) has done severe psychological harm to civilization. Our priority is to experience as much of the means of survival rather than the ends. This has created a civilization of psychologically and emotionally stunted adult children. Hookup culture is no more dignified than someone who lives in their mom's basement jerking off to anime all day, because both are seeking to get pleasure the easiest way possible without wanting any responsibility for planning a future.
>>68432053
Do you know a lot about women tripfag? What experience do you have?
>>68429177
Better yourself to maintain the relationship ? Why wouldn't you ? Are you retarded ?
>>68428545
So beta, it's unbelievable.
Hook up culture is one that teaches that the most important thing in life is sexual pleasure. You often see people saying they would never marry someone that they didn't have sex with because of a fear that the sex would not be good.
Meaning that for that person, ability of providing sexual pleasure is more important than all the other factors put together, such as morals, intelligence and so on.
And people that think sex is important will not be able to be monogamist.A few years after marriage, sexual attraction cools down. If you think sex is so important, you will feel that the marriage is not working anymore and you will either divorce or cheat on your partner. Men with this mindset usually cheat on their wives. Women usually prefer to divorce.
>>68431938
True. I've been thinking about just adopting or having a woman act as a surrogate. I work from him so I could provide the necessary time to watch and raise my kid alone.
>>68432486
Remember #NoHymenNoDiamind ???
>>68432650
>intelligence
>being more important in a woman than sex
moderate kek
>>68432434
Hey man, look on the bright side, there's no way these women could have a lower opinion of you than you have of yourself.
Fix your fucking life bro
>>68432434
Whatever bro, I'm not gonna convince you to improve the quality of your own life if you don't want it.
You got two choices in life: Cope or Thrive.
Personally I go for the latter, even if it does take more effort.
>>68430622
>fundamental pleasures of life.
Literally >muh dick
Sex is nothing more than an expression of love
Love is the need not sex
>>68429541
I know one. He is not even bad looking, just extremely depressed and not outgoing.
>>68431005
That's because you don't fucking understand what a marriage is. A marriage is not about love, it's about building something greater than the two of you and working as a team. You care about each other, you love each other, but at some point, you're very often not in love with each other.
![Sam Gets Her Girl - Barbie.wmv_snapshot_04.21_[2015.05.13_18.03.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RKfxKA4.jpg "Sam Gets Her Girl - Barbie.wmv_snapshot_04.21_[2015.05.13_18.03.42].jpg")
>>68432131
I also don't understand this meme. Unless we're talking about them being physically feminine (pic related Hungarian), they are often the most feminist women there are because they were culturally expected to contribute in times of stress. Granted they are often smart and capable women, not Tumblr level SJWs, but thinking they'd be submissive is naive.
>>68432854
Yo bruv I just got out of high school last year and am shit with wimmens, pls give links, books guides to making me not shit. I lift so that's a start.
>>68432899
Love and sex have been two separate things for decades.
You fell for the meme that you only have sex with people you love, or even like.
>>68429541
I'm 29 and I'd still be one if I didn't start banging escorts when I was 23.
>>68432802
When you think about marrying you are looking at who is going to be by your side for the rest of your life and who is going to be the mother of your kids.
You are not looking for a fleshlight.
>>68432575
Yep. I lived the single life through most of my teens/20's, then settled down and married an amazing woman. We've been together over 10 years now.
>>68429541
I'm 25, almost 26 KV and I'm in the top 5% attractiveness for /pol/ posters. No I won't post pick. Women are shit.
>>68430622
I have sisters, a mother, numerous cousins, grandmothers, women I work with, friends girlfriends and wives, my one real girlfriend I had for six years and the handful of sluts I've fucked since to teach me about women.
I put in minimal effort as a result. Trade a few very good things for a hell of a lot of very bad things, and at this point its not a good enough trade for me to seriously go for it. Maybe later.
>>68432912
Get together with some mates and order him a hooker for his birthday. I'm serious. You shouldn't even care if he gets mad, if she's a pro it'll change his life. Perhaps he wouldn't be ready for dating straight away, but it'd be a start and take the virgin stigma off.
>>68429541
It's real. I have no reason to brag on the internet -- I have the features of a model, and have actually had a modelling agent come up to me in public once to ask if I wanted to work. I said yes; 'twas a small gig, and I dabble in it for money.
I'm a hand-holding-less virgin who sleeps four hours a day and has a Machiavellian personality when it comes to interests. I have little to no desire for any of the women around me, though I might be good at displaying it. Due to conscious efforts, when a girl does sweep me away, I ask her out only after friending her (which is a no-go).
I like to think I'm not a sperglord though. I made efforts to rid myself of that by visiting strip clubs on the regular when I was super young because I knew how fucked I'd be if I developed social anxiety in adulthood.
It's a numb hell for me. I love my looks and mind, but I just can't into relationships. Psychologists will only say I have some pathology like narcissism and need to open up more, which I don't need to waste time on.
Ultimately, I'll probably just hire a kink prostitute to fill the void.
>>68432627
What's french for "taking things for granted"? Pretty sure you don't have to be retarded to do it.
There's really no point in resisting this. This battle for the soul of Western civilization was lost decades before most if not all of the people in this thread were born.
Either go full hikki or fuck dozens of worthless sluts. There's no point in building a family.
>>68432253
Or, I could be right.
The only people I meet who whinge about "immorality" and desire neurotic levels of premarital abstinence IRL are neckbeards and evangelicals.
I'm making a pretty good judgement when I say there aren't many 10/10s here crying about how degenerate premarital sex is.
>>68433330
>'twas
LEL Nice pasta
>>68430485
obviously there was some other shit happening dude, this just doesn't happen. Shes probably been unhappy for a long time to just end it like that. Still... shit sucks dude
Hookup culture is awesome.
You can bang sloots without spending money on hookers.
Then you can find a qt virgin to marry when you're bored of sloots. Your game will so good that you sniff out a qt wife material girl from a mile away.
>>68433004
Have you checked out TRP on reddit?
Have you checked out RSD on youtube?
Those will give you quite a bit of learning material. Just don't swallow everything at TRP, it's getting more and more angry MGTOW types like you find here.
The #1 most important thing is you have to leave the house and socialize. Don't sit in your room staring at a screen reading about women and Game. GO OUTSIDE.
>>68429433
It's not just women you should be skeptical of, but humans in general, male or female.
That doesn't mean you should become anti-social altogether. It just means you need to be careful.
>>68433541
>The only people I meet who whinge about "immorality" and desire neurotic levels of premarital abstinence IRL are neckbeards and evangelicals.
Where do you meet those people? Or are you bullshiting?
>>68433563
I wish pal
>>68433103
yeah but i just want a wife to be feminine and loving and shit she doesn't need to be able to debate foreign policy and contemporary philosophy
>>68433215
Very attractive KV...... suuuuuurrreee.
You must really be a piece of shit if that is the case. or super closeted and a depraved pedophile homosexual
>>68433719
I have but I can't seem to internalize the ideas, I dunno it just seems like nothing works.
Also don't worry I find MGTOW's completely disgusting.
>Don't sit in your room staring at a screen reading about women and Game.
fuck
>>68429541
21 yr old KV here.
Bullying fucked me up badly.
>>68433619
>Then you can find a qt virgin to marry when you're bored of sloots.
While supplies last :-)
>>68433619
qt virgins don't exist they are all sluts now, thanks to hookup liberating propaganda, you are enabling their degenerate behavior.
>>68432486
Trust me, you don't want shit like in your life. To be able to have good sex is a fundamental requirement for a good relationship. If you and her don't mix too well in that regard everything will fall apart before it even starts. And you are in this for a very long time. Do you want a lifetime of sexual unhappiness, suppressing the never stopping urge for other women and being suspicious about every man your significant other talks to? No hymen no diamond crap works only in the twisted mind of neckbearded gentlesirs. Just go out and get laid instead.
>>68433939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aBSwwYu59s
>>68433939
I'm addicted to drugs but other than that I'm very successful.
I'm an electrical engineer and own a home.
>>68433940
lol don't worry bro, you are still very young. There are guys in their 30's who found this shit and turned their life around, so you are ahead already. Good luck dude.
Sweden here >>68434116 is an example of what I said here >>68432650
In his or her mind, the most important thing in life is sexual pleasure. This person is probably incapable of being married for life.
>>68433719
What a cucked little shit.
Good for him.
I legitimately just don't care... I acknowledge that fucking/loving is a great pleasure, but the things I do in replace of women all add up to a much greater net fun level. Yeah I'm most likely autistic but it's still true. Plus when you actually start ignoring women and look fairly decent, they'll try to go after you (esp if they're mid-late 20s). Not many guys can say they have women going after them and don't take the bait. Makes you look better/more powerful publicly too. Just jack off, then the urge is gone. Pretty simple.
>>68434117
ha! good one
>>68434311
>>68433719
You do know that most of the famous PUAs usually are all completely fucked up and filled with problems, right? Do you really think saying someone to live his life for his dick is a good advice?
>>68433819
High school and junior college in the Midwestern rust belt.
>>68427883
Spreads diseases and increases the rate of single motherhood.
>>68434375
sexual pleasure IS the most important thing you can get from a woman. because for any other attribute, you can find a male friend who will do it better.
>>68434265
that side steps the question of you having a terrible personality. Don't worry though, I'm not encouraging you to change. if you really are as narcissistic and empty as you claim, it's better for everyone that you don't victimize anyone by entering a relationship. just stick to yourself and the world will be a better place
>>68434116
Teach her how to fuck good, you can build her fetishes from ground zero. Instead you have an already damaged building on used women.
>>68429693
>>68429693
Alright faggot, let's say you have a bowl of M&Ms, and a certain minute percentage (say, 1%) of the M&Ms in the bowl are laced with ricin.
A certain percentage of people who eat from that bowl of M&Ms will die, and faggots like you will respond to that statistic with "b-b-but correlation isn't causation! 99% of the M&Ms are safe."
Do you really expect men to want to stick their hands in the bowl?
Just fuck off faggot, marriage is already enough of a pointless gamble with little reward without marrying a slut.
Women are obnoxious and annoying and difficult but there's nothing like the love of a woman and since I'm apparently one of the few straight men on /pol/ I can say without a doubt that in the end it's worth it.
>>68430622
>t. pussy whipped
Take that vagoo off that pedestal and then what are you left with?
>>68429737
literally
>>68434634
>if you really are as narcissistic and empty as you claim
Not having sex with or kissing a girl means I'm narcissistic and empty?
>>68434616
Men can't give you missionary sex for the sole purpose of procreation.
>>68433908
Intelligent women also have more self control and plenty of other positive traits.
Half of your kids genes will come from your wife, as well.
![c0c1b66f77f861492ec43140b68b9285[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/62Pfzp9.jpg "c0c1b66f77f861492ec43140b68b9285[1].jpg")
>All these answers and different viewpoints
Thank you amigos, I knew /pol/ wouldn't disappoint me
>>68434616
That sounds gay as fuck.
>>68434616
You can't have a kid with another man, supposing you are a man.
>>68434311
Thanks senpai.
>>68430116
Suuuure bud. Keep telling yourself that.
>>68434583
Someone living his life for his dick probably has some relevant advice on hooking up with women
>>68434856
nope, but your description of yourself outside of your lack of a sex life does. don't worry , I really am not trying to change your mind- just pointing out that is an aspect of your personality.
>>68427883
I'm not interested in it, I can't have sex with a woman unless I have some kind of emotions towards her.
Women are cancer, you can't live with them, you can't live without them. Their sexuality and nature is wired to make most men miserable because they simply can't have them. I believe women can make you both the happiest and the most miserable man.
But I'm just an almost 25 year old kissless, handholdless virgin so who the fuck cares what I think. The fucked up part is that I'm calm and peaceful most of the time and then I meet some fucking girl I really really like and I can't fucking have her and that frustrates the living shit out of me. I just wish I never met any women.
>knows girls are notorious whores and love sex
>still can't get laid
>>68435154
I really did. I just shut down and have an overwhelming urge to get outta there ASAP when someone shows me affection.
>>68432557
So then would you say that people are obligated to have kids and start a family? Or is it alternatively appropriate to say that having sex with just one long term partner is beneficial in order to strengthen the love and growth of the relationship, regardless of whether or not you want kids?
>>68435209
>but your description of yourself outside of your lack of a sex life does
I said I'm attractive. You must be a great mind-reader
>>68435112
Read this before going in this journey.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/oct/10/neil-strauss-the-game-book-truth
Being an idiot that lives his life for sexual pleasure will not give you happiness.
>>68435297
did an older lady do something inappropriate to you?
>>68434375
I'm a degenerate and I embrace it. A man is not supposed to be with a single woman for life in simply biological terms. The single most important purpose of a male is to spread his genetic material as far and wide as possible while a female has to get the sample from the best possible one and carry it (ideally find a beta provider who will be an adoptive father to her child).
It is extremely harmful to a society in a long way, but as I said, I'm a degenerate and the world will go to hell very soon anyway so what's the hoo haa.
>>68430287
you're probably gay
>>68427883
"hook-up culture" is just another dumb meme used to rustle jimmies
anybody who is loose with their morals is a degenerate per always.
bragging about it is juvenile because mass media is smutt now and more youth are hooking up at 12 or 13
>>68435344
what would you rate yourself ?
>>68435349
>Being an idiot that lives his life for sexual pleasure will not give you happiness.
Sure it will. It won't give you as much happiness as having a health relationship and family in a nice conservative, homogeneous country, but that's never going to happen ever again.
>>68434673
Except there might, just might, be other factors involved
>a fucking leaf
>>68429870
>but thats going against human nature
So? whenever I see attractive girls, I just deny myself. I know for a fact I won't get her and that she's taken and I don't want to. It's literally too much work and I just turn off.
You have no idea how many blondes I've hooked up with on Tinder
>>68434583
>>68434747
Women are not the goal of life.
Women are a side-effect of a successful life.
If you don't have women, it is a symptom of a broader failure.
This is the truth you don't want to admit to yourselves.
>>68430999
>>68430622
>>68430622
>>68430074
>tripfagging when nobody values your opinion
>white knighting on a board with no women
pathetic dude
Why would you care if guys give up on women and become MGTOW? More pussy for you, right? Oh right, you're only posting this inane women-pedestalizing bullshit to assuage your own self doubt.
>>68435199
>Someone living his life for his dick probably has some relevant advice on hooking up with women
But not on how to best live a good life. There are things that are more important than your dick.
Nobody gives a flying a fuck about society
I can fuck whoever I want
>inb4 spotted the nigger
>inb4 good goy
>inb4 insert any ad hominem prejorative here
>>68429358
holy fucking shit. i used to alter serve for this guy.
I'm Hispanic btw. Stay away from the blonds.
Also, KV here from a past post: I've gotta say, my morning routine is a lot like Patrick Bateman's. Hell, I've even got a modern studio apartment in the big wig part of my city.
Just thought that'd interest you people.
29 and single here.
I've dated many girls, but only one of them was even remotely long term material (attractive, smart, not crazy). And then she cheated.
Most of the girls that I meet are super desperate for the D, because they want to get married and further their agenda (marriage, kids, house, divorce, alimony). Also very few are all that interesting. I just find women to be more trouble than it's worth. A quality woman is one of the rarest things on planet earth.
>>68435539
9/10 body and face
>>68435362
Well, my 30 year old Moroccan neighbor would ask for me to come over and watch movies with her while looking at me sensually when we were alone. You'd have to be dense as fuck to not know she wanted more.
I had women in high school and college ask me to go out and I would either not give an answer or flake. I just have an urge to go home and shitpost instead of interact with them. I'm serious.
>>68433619
voice of reason in a thread full of retards
>>68435698
where on the doll did he touch you?
>>68435690
sure.
Listen to different people about different things
>>68435579
Don't you have an evening prayer to get to?
Does your imam know you visit an imageboard where they post haraam pictures of women?
>>68435297
you probably have intimacy or trust issues
I'm not saying you should just go out and fuck whatever girl but this could bite you in the ass if you meet a girl you like
I recommend meditation and lots of introspection, avoid freudian thinking
There have always been people throughout history who reject the sexual culture of the day and going monasteries today. MGTOW is just a continuation of this tradition stripped of its religious element.
I don't understand it, but I don't hate it either. I think it's funny that just as the preachers of yesteryear wagged their fingers and told everyone that women are the source of all evil, these modern-day hermits do the exact same thing.
>>68434616
Unless you're a faggot, a man is not going to give you the emotional support and romantic love that you crave from a woman.
>>68435641
>If you don't have women, it is a symptom of a broader failure.
I'm sorry, I've excelled in every other aspect of my life but I've never scored with women. Am I a failure for having two MAs and a job before I even graduated? Am I a failure for paying my unempleyed mom's bills? The fact that I'm autistic does not make me a failure in any shape or form.
>>68427883
If a womans virtue was a currency, modern women would be zimbabwean dollars.
>>68435449
So are you actually trying to knock up as many girls as possible, or are you just pretending to? Granted, the spray and pray method works; some guys have a ton of different kids with different women. But the parenting and investing heavily in a few kids works well too. It is also the morally preferable option.
I was degenerate as fuck in my youth, but I realized I didn't want to end up knocking up poor motherhood candidates, if for no other reason than child support.
>>68433330
>'twas a small gig, and I dabble in it for money
>I like to think I'm not a sperglord though
this is 100% bait
>>68435824
Pfft, twenties is the new teens. 30 is not even that much. They may not look like the 17 year cuties with perfect bodies and milky skin but sure as shit they are good in bed.
>>68435255
In some way you must respect women or be very attractive in general so that they swoon to you to some degree or else you're stuck unless you lack emotions.
Try to see their sexual part as an aspect of them instead of something that defines them and enjoy their personality more, it helps for me You must see the glass as half full.
>>68435908
ha, no touching. he was one of the priests at my church in a northern suburb of chicago. super weird seeing him on pol
>>68435449
>>68436084
you guys are arging r/K selection theory just fyi
k selected humans are the ones who built western society. r selected people are generally niggers and arabs
>>68436004
>I recommend meditation and lots of introspection
This is the worst possible advice.
>>68435449
But do you think YOU will achieve happiness by doing that?
>>68435564
>Sure it will. It won't give you as much happiness as having a health relationship and family in a nice conservative, homogeneous country, but that's never going to happen ever again.
You are about to get a huge disappointment if you think this will make you happy.
>>68435641
>If you don't have women, it is a symptom of a broader failure.
>This is the truth you don't want to admit to yourselves.
You don't need to be successful to have sex with promiscuous women.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3019319/Jobless-29-year-old-fifteenth-child-ten-different-mothers.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prolific-father-40-children-20-5431823
Are those guys a success in life? Is the Pope a failure?
>>68428545
I lost my virginity when I was 27.
>>68435449
You are being an hypocrite at being a degenerate, you aren't getting women pregnant and even if you do these children will grow up without a father to support their growing process, humans used to live in CLANS they didn't live alone and fuck total strangers.. Your children will grow to be weak mentally damaged and they will serve the properly raised child who have the economical and sociological support from their parents.
>>68436412
why do you say that?
>>68436454
>You are about to get a huge disappointment if you think this will make you happy.
Again, it's the most happy route you can take. Unless you think the life of the hikikomori is better.
>>68436334
Women are interested in me but I could never bring myself to capitalize on that. Now that I'm a bit older, I have more urge to interact with them but I have no means of meeting them now that I'm out of college, I just don't know where to meet girls. As for their personalities, I don't really think women have anything to offer. At this point, I'm more interested in them donating an egg if you catch my drift.
>tfw lost virginity at 18 ten years ago
feels good m8
found a belt im gonna choke my gf with on friday
she likes that kinda shit
In all honesty, I've given up on relationships.
Due to my brain chemistry I'm simply unable to sustain one.
I've been clinically diagnosed with dysthymia, OCD and AD.
Psychiatric medication alleviates most of the symptoms, but at the cost of my libido, i.e. my dick goes limp and rendering me unable to perform sexually.
And as we all know, if a modern woman isn't sexually fulfilled within the relationship she'll seek fulfillment outside of it.
When I'm off the drugs I display what you'd call "beta characteristics". In that sense I fail to be her "rock", I become unable to comfort her and provide the fundamental sense of security.
And women are supposed to give nurturing love to their young, not their men.
So, yeah. It's a pretty shitty situation. But it's ok in a way.
>>68435255
IF you meet the right woman, it's aweome to live with her. Not without problems of course, but in general it's fucking based.
>>68429643
I have the option to participate I'd just rather use toys than risking STD's or single motherhood. My goal is to raise children with a strong family foundation, a two parent household.
It's funny when women think indiscriminate sex with men is "empowering" when in fact they're objectifying themselves.The men that hook up with women only see them as fleshy sex toys,not human beings. It's more empowering and satisfying to delay gratification and actually connect with someone.
I read Brave New World in high school as well. Didn't think I'd live long enough to be able to fully relate to John The Savage but here we are.
>>68436613
>Again, it's the most happy route you can take. Unless you think the life of the hikikomori is better.
It is not.
Happiness is not found on sexual pleasure. If you center your life on how to achieve more sexual pleasure, you will not end well.
Do you think Charlie Sheen is a happy person?
>faggots itt complaining about women being sluts
>mfw I'm a real life faggot
>I was put into the degenerate group without even asking for it
You don't know how good you have it m8s
unicorns are more common that monogamous faggots, let alone monogamous faggots who aren't a clusterfuck of stds.
>mfw my dick won't get hard with a woman
>>68427883
give into hedonism and consumes you whole
>>68436821
I've met my fair share of women and I've liked maybe 4. Currently I'm simply not in a situation where I can meet women.
>>68436759
stackars liten
>>68434116
>>68434616
>>68435449
you fell for the "le experienced woman" meme
this is pathetic
>>68436881
You are suggesting that men seek out a nice traditional young virgin housewife, have 3-4 kids and live a good, wholesome life?
Literally impossible unless you're rich these days. Every aspect of society from the decline in wages to divorce laws to public schooling and the need for it as a form of a daycare make it impossible for the vast majority of men regardless of means or effort to achieve this lifestyle.
Maybe it's different in Brazil but the whole West is ruined, and it was ruined on purpose.
>>68437118
Äh, det är vad det är.
>>68436641
Try going to church or any hobbies that women like(knitting, cooking courses.) You will find like minded women who want to better themselves.
>>68427883
Hook ups are bad since the spread of STDs is much more rampant. Also the destruction of a nuclear family and the rise of weird fetishes such as cuckolding and such.
>>68437225
>You are suggesting that men seek out a nice traditional young virgin housewife, have 3-4 kids and live a good, wholesome life?
Yes.
But that you don't anchor your happiness on that either.
The thing about being a degenerate is not only that it makes you a shittier person for others. It makes you a shittier person for yourself. You will be unhappy if you focus your life on this.
>>68433330
Do you love justice?
Are you Samurai Flamenco?
>>68435449
At least you're a self-aware degenerate. Nothing more disgusting than a delusional conservative degenerate hiding himself behind trivializations of the world like muh biology, muh alpha, muh spreading muh genes as much as i can or whatever.
That said, it's not like the average person are pushing women towards higher standards of quality, anyway. Only having a good face and hair, because modern food pretty much gives you a free sexy body. Nothing about intelligence, so one way or another the world is doomed, be it because of liberal sex culture or be it because of betas being slave to the pussy.
>>68428772
It wouldn't be a problem if we didn't let the shitskins in.
>>68437521
You are suggesting the impossible. That lifestyle is practically illegal in the West.
Ive given up on finding a stable woman, all my gfs have been either bitches or whores. Literally the only good thing are their wet meat holes.
My new game plan is finding a mentally instable girl online or at one of those nerd conventions, breaking her and rebuilding her to be perfect.
Wish me luck
>>68432557
>Our priority is to experience as much of the means of survival rather than the ends. This has created a civilization of psychologically and emotionally stunted adult children.
Very well put.
>>68436880
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>>68427883
Human intimacy becomes a fleeting moment of meaningless lust... it's just masturbation with a partner, in the end you are still empty and alone.
>>68427883
sex becomes something without much meaning, trust is non-existent. Feelings are not worth building, all relation between men and women just becomes sex.
I had a girl tell me before fucking that she had 20 other dudes and felt bad (basically a slut). They want to have relationships but they themselves have fucked around so much that they don't trust anyone, not even themselves to be able to hold a relationship.
Two kinds of sluts, the ones that are just sluts, and the liberal ones who study and pretend to be normal but are just as slutty (the ones with those fucking square hipster backpack, pic related).
The rest goes into relationships that last about 2 years until they get bored and just get someone else. When they'll get 30-35 they'll wan't to seal the deal, look either for the ex BF's they had or just grab the best the can find if they're desperate.
No real desire to have kids or marry, only want economic and social stability. When they'll see a better oportunity they'll take it and leave the man stranded.
>be 35
>career jizz deposits in random vag likely over a gallon
>every Friday night at club
>bring back to apartment
>pump and nut
>over and over
>at first exciting
>different asses, different boobs, different hair, different legs, different hair
>different attitudes
>but now, push dick in
>all feels the same
>no thrill in hunt
>Club scene is stale and played
>prefer just hanging at low key bars now
>no thrill in random pump
>prefer to jerk now
Be warned my friends
>>68436893
It must suck being both gay and black.
>>68438048
Eh, whores are the answer. Once I turn 25 in 6 months I'll seriously start saving up money for a whore. Fuck everything else.
>>68436576
I imagine I will find the one I will want to settle down with sometime in the future but I don't know if it will happen. For now let me just have my fun. I'm not in a position to sustain a family nor do I want to settle down yet. I've been in the game for less than two years for fuck's sake. Some men never grow out this phase you know.
>>68427883
tfw can't fuck because I think of when I was raped at ten and my dick goes limp.
>>68438174
top bantz
>>68436641
>I don't really think women have anything to offer
It depends, they're very boring oftentimes because they don't need to be interesting. Talk about passions of them, they'll yap and you'll have to ask less and you bullshit through it all.
As for meeting women I do it a lot and I did it because I learned to dance and went to parties where dancers go to, it's ingenious really if I say so myself. It's like a subscription to meet women. Not saying you should do the same, but maybe you could get some ideas from it.
>>68437768
>You are suggesting the impossible. That lifestyle is practically illegal in the West.
It is not.
All of this is in your own power.
>>68438174
He was born to get AIDS :(.
>>68437907
good luck m8, iktf
>>68438048
modern society derides the concept of family and intimacy
today, it is hard to build a family
with feminism and divorce, marrying became a hazard
it seems the apogee of someone's life is going to shitty clubs playing shitty music drinking shitty alcohol hooking up with shitty women to have shitty sex in a shitty room apartment and going "haha, i fucked today" on social media
>>68436893
At least you're white.
>>68438300
why whores if you can just as easy fuck with a slut for free. If you're lucky all you have to invest is time, but I guess if that's to annyoing whore works too.
It's just nothing for me
>>68436759
You seem like a pretty self-aware individual. I, too, am dysthymic. I haven't had a relationship in a few years-- 27 now. I disagree that women aren't supposed to nurture their men. If you weren't in a Godless region I'd suggest finding a Christian woman. They know to maintain their purity and value serving, loving, and forgiveness of your faults, and they see marriage as a chance to grow closer to God with you, fostering deeper intimacy.
You see, if you can't find common ground with someone or something to work towards you will lose whatever relationship you get. The problem with hookups, beyond moral issues, is that the goal is just sex. Once achieved, what do you have to hold you together? I have a hard time respecting a woman that would agree to that lifestyle, just chasing pleasure. You're going to lose that magic, which is why you see these people talking about it being nothing special. It's basically selling your long-term prospects for short-term pleasure, taking the easy way.
What you have to realize is that love is not just an emotion, but a choice. It doesn't matter that you don't feel like other people. Choose to think differently about yourself. Choose to put others first. If you're like me, that's your biggest obstacle, not the women.
>>68438601
Hang in there, Pepe.
>>68438487
No, it really isn't. And for the people who do have the power to achieve such a thing - they're bringing a family into a dying civilization. They lose even when they win.
>>68438121
You just don't have the thrill of the chase. A big chunk of hook up culture is built around it. Once you conquer a woman you can't help but wonder if you can find a better one. That's what keeps degenerates like me going. You know how aces in world war II would draw a star or a cross for every plane they took down? Same here with women.
>>68438701
I don't want to invest time, I don't want to go through manipulating motions of trying to trick her into sex by putting on a show of self-confidence or whatever, it makes me sick. I'd rather just give my money to a whore, get my dick sucked, fuck her from behind and go on my merry way.
>>68427883
>Red pill me on hook-up society and why it's wrong
Once you find a true qt 3.14 who is redpilled and will listen to you talk about donald trump 24/7 then you've got it pretty good.
hook up sloots dont have my long term interest at heart. My long term gf hasnt gotten fat, still betters her self, makes good money, and always puts my interests first, then ours, then hers.
She does work for my business and doesnt get paid, she has no problem helping me with any task.
Literally my main requirement is that she has to be on my "team" or on my side, supporting me 100% in whatever the fuck I do.
She can pull her own weight and has her own opinions but is okay seeing where she is wrong / can improve, but isnt afraid to call me out when I do something dumb, which like all people, I do make mistakes
So yeah finding a biblical waifu who puts you first is the fuckin bomb and I've got no complaints.
do I wanna fuck other guys on occasion? Yeah of course, I dont though cause I'd feel bad, and I can't treat people poorly.
you cant get all that with hook ups, yeah chasing pussy is fun, and attention is exciting, but those girls dont give a fuck about you, they are all the same, I've been with a bunch of girls before my current relatoinship, but this one takes the cake, and I've been with her for years.
Tl:dr : hookups wont get you a ride or die qt 3.14
pic unrelated
>>68438600
Thanks I also hope you find your qt 3.14 Fräulein.
>>68438384
Go to a psychologist, it must be hard to talk about these things but if you don't you will be unhappy for all your life.Confidentiality is part of psychology's code of ethics, they won't tell anyone.
>>68430622
I have relationships with women and can confirm they are all monsters.
>tripfaggot
Nevermind, you're just after attention.
it feels like in this modern society, there's no place for human development, only for how far can you take the degenerate behaviour, only to partake in what others do: degenerate bullshit
if you don't, you're cast out
it looks like being the good working little niglet surrounded by other niglet deriding you for being a good studen and not adopting the nigger culture
Casual sex is fun until you get hpv, herpes, or worse and you realize you dont even know who gave it to you or how long youve had it. Even people who have clean tests can have hpv as there is no test for it. Its harder to see symptoms that can be hidden in the vagina. You think its all safe and clean but your balls still hit her labia when you go balls deep. Then you get warts on your sac.
If you have any morals, guilt prevents you from spreading the disease.
>>68439065
hf with your unhealthy relationship
>>68429358
Amen.
>>68427883
society has always been somewhat degenerate. what's changed is the pervasiveness of sex couples with the declining trust between men and women.
>>68427883
There's literally nothing at all wrong with well-educated kids from financially stable backgrounds having tons of casual sex throughout their 20s before they finally settle down and produce heavily K-selected offspring at sub-replacement rates in their 30s.
They are having a life worth living, and they are bringing reasonable numbers of kids (given the rise of automation and the bleak long-term jobs picture) into the world under the financial/intellectual/cultural circumstances that will give them the best shot at thriving in the 21st century.
The problem is that when low-IQ whites, the working class, and the niggers and shitskins all try to participate in the "enlightened" post-hook up dating world and end up giving us hordes of R-selected untermenschen with room temperature IQ's. At a time when the western world has less and less of a need for people with their "skills" (or total lack thereof), no less.
Which means that the folks who CAN hook up before settling down and having happy families, are now on the hook to pay for these little niglets, wetbaquitos, and white trashlets, because we're pathologically compassionate and simply allow ourselves to let the human garbage starve like it really should (and we're too afraid of being le literally Hitler XD to sterilize everyone with a sub-90 IQ).
So that's where all of those divorce/dysfunction statistics come from. They don't come from the Oberlin grad who rides a mile of pipe while working as a barista in Brooklyn before settling down with that now-doctor she knew from undergrad. No, instead they come from Kristle who graduated from high school and was studying at the local community college before she got knocked up and brought little Brayden into the world without a daddy in the picture because the Best Buy worker who nutted him out OD'd 3 months after the fact, and now mommy's blimping out and has a niglet from her rebound and is struggling to find a "good man" to raise her failure brood.
>>68439174
I did, and the quack insisted that it made me a closet-paedo who wants to fuck boys!
I told him to fuck off and never went back.
>>68439038
Take the ideas given into consideration, go unwind abit and let it all rest.
Sometimes it takes time to look things through another lense, people forget that oftentimes they want things quickly and because of that in certain cases less happens in the same time.
>>68438917
This is in your power. Your acts are yours. No one can force you to become a degenerate. Do something that will make you prouder. Being another Charlie Sheen degenerate that is little better than a chimpanzee and lives for his body is not something to be proud of.
>>68438384
I was raped for a year by my cousin at 8 y/o. Always been very shy since. Had sex once, but she turned out to be "adventureous". Haven't had sex since I was 16 and half the time I can't even get hard anymore anyways. I just don't really worry or care about women. Yes, part of me is bitter. However another part of me knows that I have bad genes and I refuse to produce children that will have weak minds like mine.
>>68438601
hang tough bud
>>68430685
Cared enough to talk about it, bruv
I've been dating a chubby blonde chick. Been together for 5 years.
