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Saw this on my Facebook educate me on this fallacy?
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The fact that the government provides these subsidies is the reason that the wages are so low to begin with.
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>>68421620
So if people wouldn't apply for government assistance wages would go up?
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Just link the haircut salon that gives cuts for EBTs.
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>>68421485
Trump's plan increases the wages of everyone while bernie's decreases the wages of everyone, for one.
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I'll take the bait.

The very best social program is a job, a career. It is the only social program that not only puts money and value back into the system, but also creates value beyond it's up-front cost.

Currently people are institutionalized by governments that created unfavorable business environments, unfavorable for both big and small, corporate or private, even the self employed. In exchange they can go collect welfare, which further detriments the ability to have jobs, since tax money goes to welfare, but eats profits.

What trump wants to do is create an environment where working is the most favorable thing to do. An environment where people won't need welfare, whether they work or not, because work will be in demand, not jobs. With so few relying on welfare to get by, a small small portion of taxes can be used to help those who are down on their luck while they recover, the only welfare there should be, temporary and only for those trying to find work.

Right now many people have figured out that it is more profitable for them to collect welfare than to try to earn an income through productivity, while at the same time crying "class warfare" or "racism" whenever they are called out on it. Trump will end that. A real American works for his money, not the money of other Americans.
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>>68421485

When did Trump say he will do anything to a person's EBT card?
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Liberals flooded the country with dirt poor foreigners and blame greed for low wages
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Bernie isn't really wrong but he's leaving out the part where the government enables/encourages those "greedy men" with bailouts and the like which makes them never have to change their ways.
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>>68421827
>if less taxes were taken from paychecks would people have more money?

...obviously?
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>>68421827
That or die... or prices would be depressed.
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>>68422221
this is all well and good and commendable, except... there are no new jobs and Trump can't magick them into existence
pick and place robots will take the place of Walmart workers
smart cars will take the place of cab drivers
IBM Watson will take the place of 80% of the medical profession
and so on
this will all happen during the next five to ten years, not in some far away future
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>>68424545
>he fell for the automation meme
it's coming but not for a while.

good luck automating manufacturing when you're competing against humans who get paid 10 cents an hour in china.
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>>68424666
slow down Satan
but seriously, Foxconn (a Chinese company) is pushing hard to finish automating all their factories by 2020, in the wake of scandals about poor worker conditions and suicides
no mo' workers, no mo' problems
your average electronics pick and place robot also eats way less than 10 cents of electricity an hour and never sleeps and never ever makes mistakes
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>>68422221
>Right now many people have figured out that it is more profitable for them to collect welfare than to try to earn an income through productivity, while at the same time crying "class warfare" or "racism" whenever they are called out on it. Trump will end that. A real American works for his money, not the money of other Americans.

retard

once you are on welfare you are stuck on it, you can't get a job, you can't buy a car, you can't own a house

once you do one of those things you will get cut off

how is someone supposed to just "get productive" if they get thrown back 10 steps the second they try?
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>>68421485
>wages are determined by CEOs and not market forces
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>>68421827

No, if the government stopped giving them shit wages would go up.

>need x amount of money to get by
>government gives y amount of other people's money to help you out
>you are now making x+y money but you only need x money
>employer realizes this
>pays you x-y money because you are still willing to work since income remains the same
>employer keeps y money while tax payers are out y money
>nothing changes for the aid recipient except they have more incentive to vote for y money from government because still poor

It really confuses me how we allow people who are taking money out of our pockets to be able to vote on whether or not they should be allowed to take more of our money, of course they will support it, and each time the cycle repeats itself their numbers grow because we have taken money away from those who would oppose it.
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>Donald Trump arbitraily sets prices in the labour market
>standard of living is a function of government decree

Bernie bots can't even name the three main functions of financial intermediaries. You're dealing with children that try to stump Trump by calling him Drumpf.

Get off Facebook and take a month off to read nothing but economic treatises. Take some economics courses.
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