>“Ukraine is a country that affects us far less than it affects other countries in NATO and yet we’re doing all of the lifting,” Trump said. “They’re not doing anything. And I say, ‘Why is it that Germany’s not dealing with NATO on Ukraine? Why is it that other countries that are in the vicinity of Ukraine, why aren’t they dealing? Why are we always the one that’s leading, potentially the third world war with Russia.’”
>Trump declared U.S. involvement in NATO may need to be significantly diminished in the coming years, breaking with nearly seven decades of consensus in Washington. “We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore,” Trump said, adding later, “NATO is costing us a fortune and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money.”
>“I do think it’s a different world today and I don’t think we should be nation-building anymore,” Trump said. “I think it’s proven not to work and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country.
>>68358979
He's right. Also we need to get out of the UN.
Source on this? I need to confirm he said this so I can not vote for this guy today.
I'm OK with this.
>>68358979
>“I think it’s proven not to work and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country.
the funny thing is that he and bernie are both alarmists, but for very different reasons.
the sad thing is that they are both correct.
but I think Trump has far better leadership potential, and might actually accomplish something, whereas a Sanders presidency would be worse than Jimmy Carter's.
>>68358979
>U.S. disbanding NATO and no longer coddling our asses
Could be interesting to say the least. Do it.
>>68358979
BEAUTIFUL
>>68358979
he's right dammit
europe needs to learn to defend itself again
We need to get out of NATO and UN and do treaties the old fashioned way
NATO, the world's police force, where only one nation has the squadcars and the pistols?
>>68361127
But having an army would be racist and could potentially hurt the feelings of our beloved Muslim citizens ;__;
Western Europe admittedly does a lot of whining and not a lot of military spending. Eastern Europeans besides Russians and a few butthurt Balkan states fucking love America and Americans and spend a lot, I'd say they deserve help.
>>68361668
>Spend a lot
In what universe is 30 AK rifle from the 60's and 5 non-operational T-45 tanks considered spending?
>>68361919
Other than America, Greece spends the highest percentage of its GDP for the military of all the NATO countries.
>>68358979
>Ukraine is a country that affects us far less than it affects other countries in NATO and yet we’re doing all of the lifting
Actually USA did not do a shit about Ukraine.
>>68361668
Can you back this up with facts?
NATO is a MESS
Well, the benefit of doing all the lifting in NATO is that we have the most control.
I don't think it should be dismantled, but it is a lot less crucial than it used to be during the cold war, so it could probably do with some pruning.
>>68361919
But that's not true. Poland for instance is very capable. It's countries like Germany that only have a few non operational vehicles and female defence ministers with no military experience.
For å country this close to Russia, Nato is the sole reason we didn't flip full on commie during the 60s.
I don't fear today's russia, they aren't as bad as they often are portrayed, but when it matters national security you need to think decades ahead.
A dismantled Nato would be interesting, for good or worse
>>68362106
>this is what Poles actually believe
That's been our operation since Day 1, google Victoria Nuland
https://www.rt.com/politics/leading-party-soros-prepares/
>2011
>>68362372
>Poland is very capable
I mean...if they were to invade....Kalingrad or some non-existent bullshit like that, then sure. Very capable.
>>68362126
The only countries in Europe that spend the NATO minimum on defense are Estonia, Poland, and the UK. Poland is one of the most pro-American countries in the world and consistently view America very favorably in surveys.
>>68362647
No, you retarded nigger. In Europe, only Britain and France have a stronger military than Poland.
>>68362789
kek
That's all I'm gonna say.
>>68358979
Fucking hell, he's right and I'm a Brit lefty supporting the Green Party.
NATO is nothing but the USA's poodle and an unnecessary and incredibly expensive relic of the Cold War. The actions of NATO have only made the world a more dangerous place and us a target for terrorists. We need out.
You really need to look hard at how scare tactics and lies have been used to justify the continued existence of NATO. After all, arms manufacturing corporations, military-industrial complex and the member armies have vast amounts of power and wealth invested in it.
![2844996t81hce32[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NssZu8v.jpg "2844996t81hce32[1].jpg")
>>68358979
>US leaves
>This is supposed to defend Europe:
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11420627/German-army-used-broomsticks-instead-of-guns-during-training.html
This is going to be interesting. Nevermind Ukraine and Russian ambitions.
Fucking North Africans could start raiding for slaves again.
ISIS could declare a caliphate in Sweden and taking over would be like a morning jog compared to Syria.
Goddamnit. A sea of shit around us and the floating turd D-day is confirmed to be coming.
Time to prepare the defenses.
>>68362938
But it's true. It's not the 1930s anymore.
>>68362588
he said the lifting not scheming, plotting and jewing up the place
>>68358979
Want to hear something really funny?
German media are reporting about this too - except their headline is "TRUMP TALKS ABOUT WANTING THIRD WORLD WAR WITH RUSSIA"
He did mention the words so we didn't lie, guys ;^)
>>68361015
> disbanding
>>68362106
Besides give billions of dollars to neonazis to overthrow their government you mean
>>68358979
>dimish NATO at times like these
Is he fucking retarded or what? He lost my vote.
>>68363118
Do you want me to throw a 'top' in with that kek? Because I can do that for you.
This is the smartest thing hes ever said. FUCK NATO. FUCK GLOBALISM.
>>68358979
Good, get us the fuck out of there. Yurop doesn't want us there anyway. If they want to rent armed forces or a nuclear umbrella they should have to pay up.
>>68360610
Hear, hear
>>68363194
NATO can't remotely function without the U.S.
>>68361668
> Paying for countries that like you
You do that faggot. I'm not paying for some country liking me. It's irrelevant in a non muh feels world.
>>68363229
>He lost my vote.
as if he even had your vote
>Latvian
>Voting in American elections
>>68363189
Fucking Luegenpresse.
>>68363283
If you consider geopolitics it makes perfect sense. Poland has a threat on its border, Germany/France/UK don't. Therefore, Poland is more military-centric. They also have not been weakened by decades of cultural marxism.
>>68358979
Trump is a fucking god send. He is literally a savior.
>>68363194
he said like there were american tanks in Ukraine. Compared to other EU countries USA did not do a shit.
>>68363412
true, but without USA there wil be WWIII which sooner or later get to them.
There's no way the globalists will let him disband the world's number one police force.
>>68363441
No, you should pay for countries that like you, are willing to pay their fair share, and share political goals with you.
Europussies on suicide watch. MAGA
>>68360931
Sanders is just a kind, old dude who doesn't know better.
>>68358979
BASED
vote for him, you fuckers.
i don't want to die in nuclear holocaust, I just want to shitpost forever
Nato is a waste
>>68358979
So he just gained the Russian vote
>>68363229
He is just pointing out the fact that most NATO members don't really contribute their part to the union while enjoying the benefits.
That includes Latvia and your "Let's give up on conscription and spend our defense budget on a small force that can be quickly deployed to die for Israel" policy.
>>68362375
He's not talking about dismantling NATO, just making it so the freeloaders have to pay.
>>68358979
>Yuroslimes brag for years about le democratic socialism and how much more progressive and peaceful they are than America with their 2 soldiers and 90% white population
>U.S leaves and all of Europe is left defenseless without American force projection
You get what you wish for.
>>68363550
>implying i'm not american stationed in Adazi
BUILD THE WALL, 100 MILES HIGH, NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST
Europe would be fucked
>>68358979
Another proof that Trump is not a part of the elite and their goal of a NWO.
CAN'T STUMP, WON'T STUMP, THE TRUMP!
The fact that Turkroaches are in NATO, and they are literally helping the Islamic State in Syria, should be proof that NATO is fucked
>>68363229
>Europe leeching usa
>Usa decides to stop playing sheriff for a bit while he cleans up his room from smelly shirts and black clothes day.
>Europe will either kick muslims out or risk getting nuked or turned into a caliphate
And I'm just here enjoying the view
>>68363704
I shouldn't, really. Do you pay for people who like you? The same applies to countries. Just because somebody likes you, you shouldn't pay for them. We shouldn't pay for anyone, we should have trade agreements, not funding some countries because they like us. It's an insane foreign policy that lead us where we are today.
>>68363189
Link
>>68358979
>ukraine
no such country
>>68358979
Hear, hear.
Western Europe criticizes us while only being able to afford their completely corrupt welfare bureaucracies by completely downsizing their militaries.
Our leaving Europe now would do the best for both the US and the EU nations by bringing our aggressive foreign policy into check and forcing the Europeans to fend for themselves again.
>>68364101
Eastern European countries (as well as the UK) do what America expects of them in terms of military spending. What Trump wants to get rid of is freeloaders like the Scandinavians and Germans whose militaries mostly aren't even combat ready.
HE'S FUCKING RIGHT
>>68363708
This. I want this shitty stalemate of actions & ideals to end.
We need waves.
>>68363189
Sind Sie eigentlich ein deutscher Staatsbürger?
>>68364007
>Withdraw from EU and lose our influence over them.
yeah, no.
>>68363586
But Poland doesn't have money or a military. Stop being stupid, Nigel.
>>68364305
To be fair, Germany does have some restrictions on military spending since World War II.
That's easily remedied in law, though.
Denmark and Norway not paying is an outrage. They're both rich countries with North Sea oil resources to boot.
>>68358979
He's right. NATO was to counter the Warsaw Pact. It's obsolete in 2016 and needs to be disbanded. Make Europe pay for their own defense again and see how those socialist programs work out for them.
>>68360819
seems like you want to double that 19 Trillion debt.
Explain to me again why should the US subsidize defense for Europe Japan and Korea?
>>68364432
Hey, we are evil imperialists, remember?
>>68364222
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-redet-von-drittem-weltkrieg-mit-russland-a-1083525.html
>>68364304
Finland and Sweden isn't part of NATO.
>>68364447
Keep plugging your ears and denying reality. Poland could probably overrun any EU country besides France and the UK within a day. Again, it's not the 1930s anymore and Polandball meme don't reflect reality.
>>68364632
Sweden is a defacto NATO member.
>European leeches
>>68358979
He just gained my support. We don't want you here.
>>68361919
The way we gauge whether a NATO member is spending adequately is by percentage of GDP being expended on military.
>>68364632
Finland is one of the few relatively safe and sensible countries in Europe right now.
Sweden is too far gone and should already be listed as a casualty of Marxism at this point.
I'm looking to the future and salvaging what can be saved in Europe, and the first step is giving you guys back your testicles.
>>68364761
The feeling is mutual, Franco.
We don't want to be there and we don't want to pay for your defense. Enjoy your real life reenactment of Guernica.
>>68363976
Europe deserves all the shit they get and more. If they don't want to learn to use reason and logic, then maybe more bombings are entitled.
The world isn't a happy and loving place. You have to fight, die and kill to protect what's yours.
>>68364761
That's because your biggest existential threat is Morrocco. Stop speaking for "us".
>>68358979
Funny how all you idiots were cheering Trump's attacks on Mexico, and Japan for freeloading the alliance, but now realize withdrawing unilaterally from overseas bases would be a DISASTER strategically.
>>68360610
First post, always best post
>>68365126
Nigga, what? We don't want to pay for some ungrateful smug little shits.
Fuck them, they can sink or swim.
>>68363081
>Fucking North Africans could start raiding for slaves again.
>ISIS could declare a caliphate in Sweden and taking over would be like a morning jog compared to Syria.
So you just want USA defending you for free?
>>68363229
Be realistic Latvia, NATO would do fuck all but be deeply concerned if Russia decided to invade you.
In what way are you so important that NATO (USA) would risk a war with Russia? You are looking at the wrong people for defence. You need to beef up your own army, which for a small country like you would be tough, but you have neighbours you could join with who face the same threat. I really think Eastern and Central Europe need to have their own organization, an extension of the V4 maybe? At this point I'm not sure Russia will be your biggest threat in 30 years though.
>>68360610
Ye, fuck the UN.
They're worthless fucks who only exist to appease ooga-booga countries.
Why is their headquarters here? They haven't helped Africa for shit and always go on about how everyone needs to. Go put your headquarters in Africa then you leech pieces of shit.
Fuck NATO too, the only countries who ever do shit for us anymore are all ching-chongs but we've entered several wars and pulled all the weight at the request of other nations.
>Trump wants to get rid of NATO
might as well hand Europe to the Russians on a silver platter. This guy is a fucking moron.
He actually thinks he's going to make America great again by reducing its standing in the world.
>>68364753
>that one spade who refused to put out money for ACUs even though we were reimbursed
Army life in the 2000s was suffering.
>>68365296
>might as well hand Europe to the Russians on a silver platter.
Might as well do that instead of giving Europe to the mudshits. Russia would toughen them up instead of allowing them to wallow in their own degenerate filth like they are now.
>>68365296
He didn't say that, he's just getting rid of freeloaders. You know the majority of Germans wouldn't even support defending a NATO ally if they were attacked? Very few European countries spend the NATO requirement on defense, they need to cough up or get out.
But Ukraine is not even part of NATO. Why is Trump so retarded?
>>68363704
Marek, you sound like Bernie when it comes to countries. No, I should not pay you because you like us. I thought it's obvious? If you are threatened, you should pay us, not the other way around. We are not threatened by anyone, we pay for our defense. There is no reason to pay for your defense because you like us. We like you too, there.
>>68358979
Well as far as i see it it would only do good.
Since fucking burgers with their "generousity" are building giant tension between rest of the yuropoors and russia.
America doesnt need any buffer zones.
Germany does. So its ing germanistans interests to step up their fucking game.
>>68365296
Why should we give a fuck?
Fuck Europe. If you can't keep your country running without outside help then you don't need a country anymore.
Why is he bitching about NATO? NATO has always been just the USA because it loves the power-trip from controlling everything and pushing everyone to the side, except for occasionally dragging the UK into every little mess.
Then he has the audacity to bitch because nobody else does anything?
If there is a problem at NATO then it is fundamentally the fault of the USA seeing how they are the ones running things.
>>68358979
He's correct.
If we pull out of NATO or diminish our presence in NATO, Europe will be forced to spend on defense, meaning they'll be more capable of dealing with the Muslim scourge.
>>68365505
Are you stupid or what? You are on the wrong board, you cocksucking commie. With great power comes great responsibilty.
>>68365296
Don't bother. Trump supporters are too stupid to realize they need Europe to keep their economy running well and to keep their position in the world.
>>68363283
I'd say he's at least partially right, though. Poland's military is a lot stronger than a lot of people give it credit for. They spend a higher % of their GDP on their military than most other countries in Europe, and whereas Germany's spending has been going lower and lower, Poland's military spending has getting higher and higher, and is likely going to continue to rise. They're currently in the process of a big military modernization program. They just ordered a bunch of Leopard 2's, for example, and are revamping their small-arms inventory with a lot of domestic designs. As a whole, they're slowly phasing out a lot of their older, shittier Soviet equipment and supplanting it with some pretty good stuff.
>>68365126
>Be Reddit
>Be illiterate
>>68365211
Its a small price to pay, to be the free world's leader.
The moment you step out of Europe, the countries on the periphery of Russia will lose their independence and will have to accommodate Russian hemogeny.
Same with Asia. American allies like S korea, Japan will have to concede to Chinese power and give up their Democracy.
>>68366009
>>68365296
>Russia has projectable power
They pulled out of Syria because they couldn't manage repairs at an airbase.
What's with the string of kiddies that grossly over-estimate Russia's capabilities, lately.
>>68365546
If you don't understand the purpose of alliances then there is no point in talking to you. Russia is a threat to a America in more ways than a simple existential threat to American territory, and it is stupid to think that alliances should not be maintained just because an ISIS or Russian land invasion of America isn't going to happen. You are also ignoring that the countries we are talking about do pay their fair share and Trump is not even talking about them. If you're talking about the Germans who have many American bases and don't even have a combat ready military I would agree with you but countries like the UK and Poland do contribute.
>Americans not understanding that NATO is the price the US pays to keep its military and political hegemony over the rest of the West.
You want to risk suffering from your own Suez moment? You want EU carrier groups to block US vessels and tell them to fuck off as they pursue their own policy at America's expense?
Good. NATO needs to go before it starts another war. Would much rather seek closer ties with Russia.
>>68366009
> need Europe to keep their economy running well and to keep their position in the world.
Yeah, which is why we're aghast at you fuckers flooding yourselves with mudslimes and not doing anything about it. Either way, Europe is pretty fucked if you faggios don't put a stop to this refugee shit.
>>68366009
you need us more than we need you faggot
>>68363011
and yet..aaaand yet
Every time the US wants to close bases in Europe you people bitch like scared 6 year old girls and beg us to stay.
The one true fact is you faggots could not afford your faggot socialism faggotry if you had to provide for your own defense
>>68365296
When will this Russians will invade Europe meme die? Sure there are some who want to ressurect the old borders of the SU, but they are a minority. The second problem Russia would have in steamrolling into Europe is the V4. Poland is modernizing and enlarging their army, and expanding their domestic arms production, not including what the other V4 countries can produce. I know there are Poles so irrationally scared of Russia that they want Nukes (not a bad idea), and I don't put is past the scheming Polacks (I should know I am one) to have secret plans to build nukes if shit hits the fan.
Russia just doesn't have the interest to invade Europe proper at the moment, it's not worth it for them. Would they take chuncks of Ukraine or Belarus if presented the oppertunity? Yes, but they aren't real countries anyway. I'm not so sure about the Baltics, sorry you guys might be fucked.
>>68366009
Yet another instance where Trump sounds like a liberal Democrat and /pol/ ignores it.
>>68366253
> You want EU carrier groups to block US vessels and tell them to fuck off as they pursue their own policy at America's expense?
You guys are so pussified you wouldn't do it anyway.
Why the hell are people ITT defending globalist bullshit?
Europe needs to toughen up, we shouldn't be the world's police. And i dont give a flying fuck on what russia does.
But, he just said he wants your sheckles for being your bodyguard.
>>68365296
EU has 3.5 times the population of Russia. UK, Germany, France and Italy have higher GDP on their own.
Why the fuck can't they fight their own battles? the Soviet union is loooong gone, it's just Russia. The same Russian who had difficulties neutralizing the Georgian air defense.
The only way Russia can take over Europe is if all the cucks there roll over.
>>68366689
remember last two times, when Europe toughened up?
>>68366195
But Russia is a threat to Poland, so Poland should pay us, not what is happening now. You don't understand how economics works. If you feel threatened, and need protection, you should pay for it, not the other way around. It's just fancy words for bad decisions. Russia is a threat to Poland, maybe to the UK, but Russia is not a threat to the US. We are the sole remaining superpower. We should not be paying to protect Poland or Europe. If they feel threatened, they should pay us. It's that simple.
>>68366720
>The only way Russia can take over Europe is if all the cucks there roll over.
The thing is... they will.
>>68366054
Your next! Kikeville is the biggest freeloader of in the MidEast, you don't even offer military bases to the American's who pay their taxes for your security.
Plus theirs no strategic reason to support Israel anymore because the West is becoming energy independent.
>>68366812
Let them rot in their weakness.
>>68358979
Why don't rent USA defence service to yuropoor?
let say 100M a week for every coyntry
>>68366570
Yep. Thanks to NATO. You see?
>>68363138
>that webm
HAHAHAHA
>>68358979
Good
>>68366425
K...
>>68366529
Actually, "Screw NATO" is a very conservative position. The liberals are the ones who advocate for intergovernmental organizations because they fulfill the ideal liberal view of the world as a cooperative one. Conservatives are more realist in nature (in the sense of IR theory) and would be more inclined to move away from such things.
>>68366253
Nigga, you'd be outgunned 500-to-1.
>>68366253
The EU would never dream of spending that kind of money on their military. Think of how many muslims they would have to turn away to go from not even meeting NATO obligations to projecting power.
It would be at LEAST 14.5 giga-syrias.
>>68363708
Actually it's a good thing for us the USA is doubling down on their globalism.
>>68358979
Nice #trump2016
>>68365290
fuck you nigger stop dragging us into your shitty wars
>>68366529
You mean an instance where Trump doesn't sound like a globalist neo-con.
The US is 18 trillion in debt but you want to subsidize the defense of rich Europe? Why?
>>68366195
Fair share according to whom? the current neo-cons in power? If this fair share is not sufficient to defend their own countries then perhaps they should increase it, or reinstate conscription.
>>68366866
You can't force someone to defend itself, US can block Russia, but the EU found a way around that to get invaded... enter Muslim invasion.
>>68366873
I don't mind if the US chooses to stop the military aid, it's significance is way overstated on /pol/.
And we do have US basses here.
>>68367311
And the EU promise of a cuckshed in every home would have to be delayed until 2020.
If someone posts on /pol/ while in Crimea, would it be Russian or Ukranian flag?
>>68361015
>>U.S. disbanding NATO and no longer coddling our asses
for one thing it will be much easier to get into military again, it has been a problem in eu countries
>>68366914
>100m a week for every country
>4200m a year
>28 nations
>134,400m a year
Not even close.
Bout fucking time
>>68365898
This tbqh. NATO is just an arm of us imperialism. Americucks ALWAYS think of themselves as the scrappy underdogs in any situation.
>>68366831
That's not economics. That's not even real politics. For the third and final time, Trump is not talking about Poland, Trump is talking about weak Western European countries like Germany, on which he is 100% correct, they need to toughen the fuck up and pay for protection instead of whining. Poland is a reliable ally and provides space for bases and missile defense, and therefore American projection of power. If you seriously can't understand that and think alliances just boil down to people owing you money regardless of their role in the alliance you are genuinely retarded.
>>68367493
probably russia due to russian isp.
>>68364381
What are you talking about? We certainly have a few waves, the waves of political correctness, Feminism and black lifes matter :^)
>>68360819
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-reveals-foreign-policy-team-in-meeting-with-the-washington-post/
>>68367575
Are you aware that USA uses short scale right?
Their Billions start at 1000M
>>68360610
God I love that based AZ woman who screamed this during the Hannity town hall.
Europoors brag about their health care system. Fact is, Americans subsidize their health care with our tax dollars. We pay for their defense so they can spend on health care. If we pulled our defense, they would have to switch from health care to defense.
>>68367331
>>68358979
Trump talks like a real president.
Balanced budget kills niggers, SJW and libertarians like Raid kills the insects
Should I order a MAGA hat? $25 is a bit much desu.
>>68367272
Animosity towards NATO aside, conservatives would point out that the vacuum left by America's withdrawal from NATO would be filled by world powers that are openly hostile to American interests. They would also point out that the projection of American values makes the world a better place.
>>68365367
Im wearing Afghan deployment pattern instead of buying scorpion right now. Come at me private.
i love trump but hes kind of an asshat when it comes to his silly idea that the american military is providing us with so much protection and doesnt get anything in return. protection against what, exactly? germany spends 1 billion a year for its own occupation by the americans who benefit greatly from being able to control their drone operations on german soil. if us troops want to get the fuck outta europe were certainly not gonna try and stop them.
>>68358979
He's right. I remember when I did speech and debate, we argued on this topic and I read both sides.
The reasons to stay in NATO are far and few in between. It really doesn't serve any purpose that the UN doesn't serve, but it puts us in the place of being the world's policeman. It WOULD make more sense if Russia was allowed in, but since NATO Was a response to the cold war boogieman, I still don't think that will happen.
I would say every country above the average should hold close relations with US in NATO, the rest of the leeches can fuck off
>>68362375
>Nato is the sole reason we didn't flip full on commie during the 60s.
Bullshit. AP was in full control, along with the other parties on the centre-right.
And there was never a real risk of the Soviets invading if we hadn't been part of NATO and functioned as an airstrip for NATO fighter-bombers and harbour for various military vessels. The soviets could have had the northern counties for free, but they didn't want them.
>>68368110
Fair enough.
>>68367787
Trump is not a politician, is he? He is a businessman. If Poland wants to defend against Russia using our army, they should pay us our costs and reduce my tax burden. Paying their fair share and getting paid for our bases in Poland is not politics. It's empire building. Trump is not into empire building. You clearly can't into business. Losing money defending Yurop is losing money defending Yurop, even if Yurop thinks they pay their fair share. If Poland can't cover the costs of defending themselves, Poland should seek other alternatives, and maybe not aggravate the Russians. Or pay us. The politics you are talking about clearly got Yeb elected, did it not?
>>68368163
They aren't going to leave Europe, they're going to leave Germany because you're a weak shit country that would not even lift a finger if a NATO ally were attacked. He's talking about you, he's not talking about countries that do their fair share like the UK and Poland.
>>68364531
The Warsaw Pact was made to counter NATO, it came half a decade later and as a direct consequence of West Germany joining.
>>68363979
this, a thousand times over.
Also, what you don't get right now is this: if NATO gets disbanded, t*rkroaches have no allies > Putin nukes in 30 minutes
>>68367942
>tfw when you screw up
FUG :D
It would have to be over 400M a week to break even.
>>68368496
good.
>>68358979
>US pulls out of NATO
>EU countries forced to increase military budget
>have to cut welfare and
gibs
>migrants BTFO
nice
>>68368496
>they're going to leave Germany because you're a weak shit country that would not even lift a finger if a NATO ally were attacked.
and i wonder whose idea it was to keep germanys military weak and make the country dependent on protection from other countries..
Everyday Trump plans to cut off another parasite
Being honest, i think he has it all planned out already.
I pray to christ he wins - MAGA.
>Stop providing discounted military service to Europe.
>Europe gets scared and realizes how much they need us.
>Offer to resume service at much higher price.
When you provide something free (or discounted), people get used to it and take it for granted. You have to pull back every once in a while to make people appreciate you and realize that they are willing to pay more for your service.
That's the art of the deal.
>>68368163
You have no threats because the US enforces a PAX America on Europe simply by having an enormous army and creating NATO.
Your world view is too static. While threats won't develop immediately, a country that has no military or outside protection won't last. This is a world of wolves not sheep, but under the US protection, you've forgotten about how dangerous the world really is.
This is part of the reason you're welcoming the Muslim invasion. You're blind to the world's dangers.
>>68358979
I really hate SJWs, but damn Latvia and Baltic states are fucked if he wins.
>>68368840
This. It reminds me of all these "temporary solutions" our government passes as bills, and then later on down the road refuses to revoke them.
>When asked who is foreign advisers are, Trump said "himself."
Remind me again why anyone would trust this retarded faggot with foreign policy again?
>>68368448
For the final fucking time, Trump is not talking about the UK or Poland, we have done everything America has requested of us in terms of spending. Trump specifically fucking mentions Germany and Japan. You are supporting completely imaginary, made up Trump policies that do not exist. Trump is going after freeloaders, Poland and the UK are not freeloaders. American bases in Poland are mutually beneficial and it's completely, blatantly obvious you can't even begin to understand concepts like power projection.
>>68368874
we didnt let our militar go to shit because we figured it would be the right thing to do, the allies simply didnt allow us to rebuild it. they cant really complain about us being leeches and reliant on their protection when they were the ones who got us into this situation.
>>68358979
>why isnt if that Germany is dealing with Ukraine
Maybe it's because they're neutered pacifistic betacucks? Most Germans would rather spread their asshole and get fucked than pick up a gun and fight
>>68368954
>le ebin Putin want to annect our shithole maymay
why should he care about you desu ?
Why ? What do your countries can give him ?
Literally nothing, Putin acts aggressively because the NATO virtually asks him, Russia could be the West's biggest and strongest allie, just like before USSR
>>68361434
You say this jokingly but I wouldt doubt some leftists would think thos
>>68369142
But I like his foreign policy. The previous policy involved paying money to regimes that claim to like us. That's not a foreign policy. That was a road to ruin.
>>68369142
because he talks more sense than entire intelligence departments.
>>68369235
>>68368355
Here lad, I have the same opinion as you
Send this to Dan Scavino(Trump’s social media guy) @danscavino
>President of Belgium's People's Party endorsed Donald Trump a week ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNXmQQSSp0
Send this to Dan Scavino(Trump’s social media guy) @danscavino
>President of Belgium's People's Party endorsed Donald Trump a week ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNXmQQSSp0
Send this to Dan Scavino(Trump’s social media guy) @danscavino
>President of Belgium's People's Party endorsed Donald Trump a week ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNXmQQSSp0
>>68367426
>And we do have US basses here.
kickass
>>68368355
>Luxembourg
What the fucking bloody hell is the point of being allied with Luxembourg?
>>68366253
>You want EU carrier groups to block US vessels
I really wish Europeans wouldn't embarrass themselves by writing such things.
EU carrier groups aren't a thing, and even your best carrier carries half the compliment of our 40-year-old Nimitz-class with double the launch time because you use cuck ramps to save money for Islam.
>>68360610
>Americans want to doom the white race even more than they already have for shekels
THIS IS THE ETERNAL YANKIE. HE WILL SELL EVERYONE, INCLUDING HIS MOTHER AND ANCESTRAL HOMELAND, FOR CHEAP TV AND BURGERS
these new polls though...
>>68367756
>>68365898
>>68367575
NATO = extension of the USA military
With some other countries contributing billions to do whatever the USA wants, often against their own interests.
Good idea Americans, stop bribing our politicians to participate in this scheme.
>>68369235
That's what you think. Poland is taking in more money than they are paying for. Sending a squad of polacks to Iran is not paying their share, while at the same time we pay for our bases protecting them. You are not understanding what is happening. I understand one concept my taxes, and Poland will pay for our protection. Mexico will build a wall. And UK and the rest of Europe will pay costs + and not what they believe their fair share. Germany and Japan are outrageous, but others are paying token amounts too.
NATO is a mess
NATO is a waste
>>68358979
Trump says he'll make our military bigger, but he also says we'll pull out of NATO and possibly other places. How do we reconcile these?
>>68369744
I wonder what they'll be like after Brussels.
>>68369429
>The previous policy involved paying money to regimes that claim to like us
But do not forget that this regimes also sell their souls to devil and their people to death
>>68369458
>Germany has a say in our elections
>>68369698
USA is the home of the white man now, get used to it.
>>68369856
You're going to need a bigger military back home to build wall and round up the beaners.
>>68369235
the US need ramstein for their drone operations, the strategic location alone provides enough benefits that you can not call us freeloaders. especially because we could have denied them to use the military base for their operations.
>>68369684
I literally don't even know
>>68358979
well, nobody forced you to overthrow the ukrainian government.
you wanna a war with the russians? fight it yourself, why should i pay for neocon wet dreams
>>68368448
>Paying their fair share and getting paid for our bases in Poland is not politics. It's empire building.
USA is already an empire, at least economical one. You will need to have military presence outside US if you want it to stay this way or you won't be able to dictate the rules like you do now.
>Donald Trump: NATO is a big, fat mistake
JUST
>>68369856
He says he will make them stronger.
he thinks there is a lot fat to be trimmed.
But once again you're left wondering how he is proposing to do that. Other than "we have to be smart".
>>68369369
Putin need conflict in order to keep russians in check. Oil prices are low, corruption everywhere, life standart is only going to go down in coming years. Only way how to maintain power is to have outside enemy. In Latvia there's several places, where there's a lot of russian speaking people. He may as well put another Donbass in these places, because of the muh rusophobia and etc.
>>68369744
Unfortunately that spike in everyone is due to rubio, im patiently waiting to see how high trump will poll soon.
Thank you brussels
>>68369930
This is your problem, not ours.
>>68369976
Whale being less than 60% now and 40% white by 2060?
How do Americans love with such delusions.
Is there any way this kind of military pullback can be framed to bring in voters who lean left? Will it be a more appealing policy to them than whatever Hillary's will be?
>>68369698
Says the guy whose country is going to leave the EU for cheap TV licenses and fish chips.
>>68366070
>Same with Asia. American allies like S korea, Japan will have to concede to Chinese power and give up their Democracy.
You do know that Japan is one of the world's largest economies right? They can afford a fair partnership with us for our alliance and it would only make the check on Chinese power stronger.
>>68370094
> Says Poland
Like there is a threat to the US if we don't pay for Poland. Poland, please.
goodbye freedom
it was nice knowing
better start learning russian
>>68370183
It is your problem.
You have paid 5 bln usd to NGOs and politicians in Ukraine (for 10 years) and payed for coup
Just doesn't make sense to spend money to beef up the defenses of countries that are just going to undermine the effort with idiotic immigration policies
>>68369142
>On Monday, Mr Trump named retired Lt Gen Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares and retired Gen Joseph Schmitz.
>>68370440
How about you fucking defend yourselves, faggots. Holy shit Western Europe is weak.
>>68369856
NATO is bound and constrained by treaties and partners. The US military would only serve the US. We put funding that goes towards troops in NATO countries towards defense projects, or outright cut it. Think of the amount of bases we have around the world, the troops stationed at various DMZ and peace enforcement zones, the staff needed to fund those bases. If we lower our involvement in NATO, we would be able to cut a lot of these programs, and put a lot of troops that are currently active into the reserves or possibly cut them outright. We just need to make sure we maintain a strong active military, while keeping them homebound and for defense of the US, not the Yuropooristanis.
>>68358979
MFW we might actually get a chance to genocide albania , god bless this man
>>68360610
this
Make whaling great again
>>68370440
Make me Vladimir
>>68370592
Watch Russia Vatniks start throwing tantrums if Europe beefs up even half the void that US leaves behind.
>>68370509
*paid* for coup
>>68369820
I love how ever since Trump started running half of the American posters now act like Gordon Gecko business expert mini-Trumps applying made up business tactics to politics. Thankfully Trump is actually smart and doesn't actually believe in this shit you're saying.
Also, we are not paying "what we believe" to be our fair share, there is a NATO minimum for defense budget spending and the UK as well as some eastern European countries meet it. Trump is not talking about these countries because they are contributing, proportionate to size, their fair share to NATO. Trump is not going to demand that tiny Baltic states and Poland give half their GDP to the US for mutually beneficial military bases that America is already being paid for.
>>68370509
That's a small loss. We should not pay anything to you. DC pisses away more than $5B a day on stupid shit.
>>68366009
Nigga what?!
You need us more then we need you! What kind of shit are you smoking? Are you so smug you actually think the US need Europe?
Fucking top kek
>>68358979
Nh, I don't know. I suppose if they do it Europe might become slightly less cucked.
>europe-wide conscription never
>>68358979
YES TRUMP YES
ISOLATIONISM FOREVER
INTERNATIONALISM NEVER
>>68364989
You, I like you.
>Trump didn't support Iraq War.
>Hillary did.
>Trump wants to draw down foreign military involvement.
>Hillary doesn't.
Trump is a racist, though, so....
Wait, Hillary is too, now that I think about it, so....
FOX NEWS CONFIRMED 3 MORMONS HURT IN BELGIUM
IF TED CRUZ GOT 50%
THE RELIGION SHOULD BE FUCKING DISBANDED
>>68370553
>fox news contributors and d-list plebs
wow great team you have there.
>Nato is Weakened as a result of declining american involvement
>Russia (assuming Thea spent afraid of the US) uses the opportunity engage its military for geopolitical reasons
>an already Weakened Nato cant handle Russia becoming stronger
>EU steps in, since this affects the economy
>An United EU military is established to balance Russian dominance
>european /pol/acks are annihilated
>>68363229
Take care of your own defense and stop leeching
That's why I hate those baltic crybabies
>>68370296
>Is there any way this kind of military pullback can be framed to bring in voters who lean left?
How? Leftists aren't isolationist and rarely anti-war. They love war, so long as it involves an "international mandate" or is to save poor starving mudchildren.
>>68370796
I agree with you, because i dislike curent "regime"
But Obama pays money to them
see, we both agree on that matter
>>68370406
What makes you think the nips can't defend themselves?
This is scary shit, no way the Chinese will ever try to mess with them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAXJaFydwM
>>68368047
Why would a balanced budget kill libertarians?
afaik libertarians and fiscal conservatives want a balanced budget.
>>68358979
About goddamn time somebody calls out NATO as the fucking scam that it is. Any organization with Turkey as a member is NOT an organization America should belong to. And increasingly, the same could be said about Germanistan as well. Fuck Europe. We bailed your sorry asses out of two world wars. You want another one, that's your fucking business. EU is the arch-enemy of America. Also fuck all Europeans. Enjoy your Islamification, assholes.
NATION BUILDING
RIGHT HERE AT HOME
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
FUCK YOU BELGIUM. FUCK YOU ALL OF EUROPE. WE'RE BUILDING A WALL AND BANNING THE MUSLIMS.
IT'S A NEW DAY YES IT IS.
>>68370760
Maybe applying basic business p&l to politics actually makes sense, no? We raked up $19T in debt by playing politics, now we need to cut costs. Those minimums are meaningless. We need to cover our costs and we are not a charity, so there is going to be an extra spread for providing services. And yes, it's that simple.
>>68358979
No you don't America. We're renting your military and you still owe us 40 F-35 that we have paid for and is LONG OVERDUE.
Goddammit.
>>68371084
yeah because an islamic europe is so good for U.S interests, right?
>implying americans dont love to wave their military dick around
>implying he wont spend even more on NATO by boosting the local military industry to make murrica great again
>>68358979
We need new aliances with countries worth allying with, to protect own own interests, fuck the parasite countries that refuse to stand on their own or fight when it's needed
>>68358979
>Cold War is over
>NATO is still a "thing"
scrap it. We won
>>68369369
>Why ? What do your countries can give him ?
Access to Baltic sea.
>>68371405
>>Cold War is over
Tell that to Putin.
>>68371502
With all his talk of Nazis I think he's still fighting WWII.
>>68371502
I bet Putin and Russia will be a lot friendlier once we have Trump in office and republicans stop calling for war in Russia like a bunch of dick-waving retards.
Any animosity between us and Russia is entirely our fault at this point.
>>68368874
Fucking this.
>>68371305
That's an F-22, you're not getting any of those. Now sit down and enjoy your F-16's like a good boy.
>>68371305
Then pay your protection money Sven. The fence won't keep the Swedes and Muslims out forever.
>>68358979
donald trump is obviously a russian agent, my only concern is what this means for europe. will germany take the opportunity to spread its influence creating a new golden age or will russia crush all resistance and enter a new soviet era for all of europe?
>>68371286
>$19T
We should honestly force them to abandon the Euro and use dollars if they want us to stay there
>>68358979
Trump must win, through polls or through war.
>>68371067
conservatives also like balanced budgets
i will answer with quotations
To me, fiscal conservatism means balancing budgets – not running deficits that the next generation can't afford. It means improving the efficiency of delivering services by finding innovative ways to do more with less. It means cutting taxes when possible and prudent to do so, raising them overall only when necessary to balance the budget, and only in combination with spending cuts. It means when you run a surplus, you save it; you don't squander it. And most importantly, being a fiscal conservative means preparing for the inevitable economic downturns – and by all indications, we've got one coming. —Michael Bloomberg[
Edmund Burke, in his Reflections on the Revolution in France, argued that a government does not have the right to run up large debts and then throw the burden on the taxpayer:
[I]t is to the property of the citizen, and not to the demands of the creditor of the state, that the first and original faith of civil society is pledged. The claim of the citizen is prior in time, paramount in title, superior in equity. The fortunes of individuals, whether possessed by acquisition or by descent or in virtue of a participation in the goods of some community, were no part of the creditor's security, expressed or implied...[T]he public, whether represented by a monarch or by a senate, can pledge nothing but the public estate; and it can have no public estate except in what it derives from a just and proportioned imposition upon the citizens at large.
It kills parasites because they will be forced to work hard. also it kills debt bubbles that were created by jews
>>68358979
Wow, that's surprisingly sensible
>>68364558
Why for Israel?
>>68371305
Implying having to buy F-35 fails is not the same thing as paying protection money.
>>68367963
This. Fuck the UN. They are the biggest promoters of the "refugee" sham.
>>68371314
>NATO has control over immigration policies
Europe is willingly letting itself get taken over, and there is nothing NATO can do about it. The biggest threat to Europe is no longer Russia, it's Europeans own stupid policies
