All leftists welcome here, authoritarian to libertarian. Right wingers welcome but I ask that you be civil.
I told you dog.
>>68304408
Obviously a fucking leaf.
>>68304607
What a meme chase
>>68304408
Shills need to constantly come up with new ideas. Must be tiring.
NO GODS
NO MASTERS
WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS
Too bad communism doesn't work you leftist scum.
>>68304901
But who will build the marijuana dispensaries?
>>68304408
The only true ideology: Anarcho Individualism
>>68305105
>waiting for the state to let you have weed
just smoke that shit bro
>>68304408
>Libertarian left.
I'm being as civil as I can be when I ask HOW?
>>68305292
Pali confirms!
>>68304514
Bakunin was pretty astute as far as Marx was concerned vis a vis the state. A lot of later Marxists however were able to escape the idea that the sole driver should be state power, people like Pannekoek (labelled by Lenin as an infantile leftist) felt the need for building the future society in the present through Workers Councils while stressing the importance of Parliamentary politics to create a space for such organization. Actually take away the Marxian language and what Pannekoek wrote wasn't a whole lot different from what Rocker and others in the Anarchist movement were writing at the same time.
>>68304514
Didn't he also state that it would happen naturally?
>>68304408
No, fuck off SJW
>>68305358
promote the needs of the individual and capitalism's destructive tendencies towards the working class, thereby infringing on their freedom.
>>68304607
Hue
>>68305704
"LE PORKY". Go back to cripplechan and stay there faggot
Libertarians aren't leftists you dumb commiefag
what makes an something "leftist"?
>>68304408
>be civil
go back to plebbit you commie cunt
>>68304408
Libertarianism is left wing? Tell that to my college professor kek
>>68305298
Where do you expect me to get it? From the pot tree in the weed forest somewhere in the land of Kush?
>>68305818
Like "LE JOOS" are better
>>68305653
How is capitalism destructive towards the working class?
Up until the wealth redistribution program began in the 60's, the number of people living in poverty was consistently shrinking by 1% per year. Also, couldn't you argue that any intervention that hinders an agreement between two individuals infringes on the rights of the individuals?
>>68305965
Grow it yourself
>>68304408
>>68304607
http://henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html
http://henrymakow.com/2016/01/Frankfurt-School-is-Illuminati-Jewish-Satanism.html
>>68304408
Of course it's one of us that starts this shit thread.
>>68305704
NAAHAHAHAHAHA LE PORKY DUDE PORKY LMAO
>>68304408
*farts*
>>68305934
Anarchism= Libertarian Left Wing
State Socialism= Authoritarian Left Wing
plz lrn to polisci ty
>>68305358
Libertarianism is a leftist ideology. Someone who works and lives under a ruler, however benevolent that rule is, isn't a free man. At the same time man is a social animal and requires his fellow man to survive, hence organization. Libertarians stress the need for organization, however one that is structured along the lines to give him the most control and freedom over his life and work. The idea that "anarcho" capitalists have about the voluntary exchange of labor must be someone's idea of a sick joke, between the starving subject and potentate, there is nothing voluntary.
It's very concerning that 85% of self-identified Marxist youth also have AIDS. Is there some particular reason so many Marxist youth have AIDS? I learned about this alarming statistic in my monthly menstrual bake-off intersectionality meeting
>>68305984
Happy Merchant is funnier than LE NYAHAHAHA PIGGY
>>>/leftypol/
>>>/8gag/
>>68306233
How? give me good reasons
>socialists are supposed to strive for a workers paradise.
>imports shitskins when we are low on jobs.
explain yourselves heretics.
Fuck off to /leftypol/
>>68304408
CARL! Get off 4chan, your bull is calling you back to your shed!
>>68304408
Libertarians are not left. >>>/reddit/
>>68304408
What are the ideal dimensions for my cuckshed?
>>68304408
Kill yourself reddit
>>68306192
So there is no state to enforce communism, but everybody has a right to food and housing, even if they do nothing to earn either? Who enforces such a thing?
It sounds like the beginning of America:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dAmroKyzGY
>>68305984
Way better, desu. Lefty /pol/'s memes just suck.
Bernie fags
>>68306053
And give up my hydroponically grown cherry tomatoes? Yeah not happening man.
>>68306324
It's classic, original, and more accurate. How is le porky ripoff meme funny, 8gag cucker?
>>68306426
Answer this OP
ITT: Plebbit
>>68304408
Anyone who posts here unironical should die.
Thank you.
Jesus I'm always open ears to the commie but he never has any good fucking suggestions ever.
>>68306449
Unbelievable.
>>68306329
>All people are the same
>Borders serve no one except the bourgeoisie to limit the rights of the people
your anger about joblessness should be towards the capitalists who force you into wage slavery, not the other slaves they import.
>>68305991
Well, the theory goes that under capitalism, the working class are forced to sell their labour in order to survive. This is the origin of the term 'wage slavery'. The idea goes that when the means of production are privately owned, not collectively owned, then it is always in the best interest of the owner class to exploit the working class by using their labour for their own gain while contributing nothing themselves.
Collectively owned doesn't mean state-owned, it means democratically controlled by the people who directly operate or maintain the production.
>>68306189
What am I?
>>68306192
You're making quite the stretch there, Canada-san.
At least, narrowing it down to such base principles doesn't really add much to our current reality.
>>68306654
I refer you to: >>68306426
>>68306685
a faggot
>>68306829
Thanks.
I've always been very right wing within the spectrum of my own country but I recently did one of those election test questionnaire things and I got bernie as my 1st result so does that make me leftist?
>>68306685
You're a national socialist, or national progressive communist.
>>68306895
no that makes you a European that took an American political alignment test
comparative politics is shit
>>68306811
I'm not a communist, so I don't get what you're driving at here.
>>68305292
Hello yes my ideology is superior. I give no examples of where it has worked or even argue for it. I just say it's superior so it must be!. do you really expect me to back up my arguments? i'm an anarchist bro
>>68306895
What is your opinion on welfare?
What is your opinion on "free shit lmao"?
Liberalism, socialism, and anarcho shit are all failed ideologies.
CONSERVATIVE
DOTR
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INBOUND YOU'LL BE THE FIRST TO SWING
>>68304901
> anarchism
> pretending it's not ordinary marxism in a new party dress
> "we have nothing to lose but our chains"
> ya done blew it junior.
Marxism: a shitty idea that ignorant cunts keep bringing back from the dead for one more try.
>>68305874
A leftist libertarian is lying to themselves.
>>68306895
He is considered the far left here but people like Sanders are considered moderate left around the world.
>>68306992
I'm saying that the theory is not logically sound.
>>68307043
Communism is an inevitability. It will happen eventually, capitalism will always decay and lead to revolution.
>>68304408
Nice try Reddit
>>68307227
Care to explain to me why you have that idea?
>>68307021
I agree with the principle that a "safety net" that keeps people alive and a roof over their head lowers crime and improves safety for all citizens (even those who do work) but I don't agree with the current implementation where some people even refuse work because it's not "profitable" for them and think that welfare should only provide the bare minimum, not a comfortable lifestyle.
>>68306192
> "i'm not a marxist, i'm an anarchist!!"
> quotes stalin.
> are you even trying any more?
EVERY FUCKING LEFTIST THREAD HAS NON STOP SHIT POSTING FROM RIGHT WINGERS
CAN NOT READ YOU FUCKING REDNECK IDIOTS
L E F T T H R E A D
I swear there are more right wingers on this thread than actual right wing threads
Fucking echo chamber hug box /pol/
Everyone on this board has literal autism
socialism is fucking gay
Leftists deserve to be shot and have their corpses raped. Fuck you and your degenerate bullshit. Seriously, just fuck you. Kill yourselves. You people are a cancer to any society you infect. Eat a fucking AIDS infested dick, faggots.
>>68307227
No one kayaks out of capitalist countries
>>68307270
Because a worthless bum fuck loser named Kyle Mark or some shit wrote about it lmao
>>68307041
How can they fail if they're the majority of first world countries? A mix of capitalism and socialism is what makes a functioning nation.
threadly reminder: We know who you are, we know this is a raid attempt, anywhere you go with this trash becomes a cancerous hellhole. /pol/ is not your safe space. You are not welcome here.
You have the floor to redpill us on this shit ideology. Or is this just for the teenage circlejerk?
>>68307169
What part? It's pretty much undebatable that the working class is exploited, the only debatable part is the necessity of this. If capitalism was such an effective and fair system it wouldn't require a police state to protect it.
>>68307351
Are we not allowed to call you shitters out for youe idiocy?
you're not fooling anyone with this stale pasta canacuck
>>68307227
if communism is inevitable and benevolent, then why do marxists need guns to force people to stay in the "worker's paradise"?
>>68307394
Please get the fuck out of my country and move to Iran. They share your same ideals.
>>68307377
You misspelled "the future" comrade
>>68307351
Lefty /pol/ is down the hall and on the /left/
>>68307351
you have your own safe space on cripplechan. piss off you hypocrites
>>68307351
You're intruding on their safe spaces.
>>68307333
You're mildly leftist. Almost a social democrat.
I guess it's due to the education in Finland. Brazil has similar policies as Finland (even though we're a gigantic mess) and we're thought since very young that public health care and welfare are necessary for a functioning society. A lie, nonetheless, and any liberal with faith in free market will be able to tell you why those should not exist.
>>68307420
yes they do. People flee from shit capitalist countries all the time. Cuba, like most Latin American countries, doesn't have a great economy, but it's doing better than most of them in spite of being under economic attack by the United States for over 50 years.
>>68305292
>Anarcho-individualism
>Uses a commie gun on its fucking flag
You done goofed fuckboy. Fuck's sake, at least use a generic looking shotgun or a crossed Colt SAAs or anything other than that commiue garbage.
>>68304408
ayyyyy.
>>68305292
>Spooked
>Pure ideology.
Oh the irony.
>>68305965
The deep web
>>68305991
>How is capitalism destructive towards the working class?
Any system which promotes the unhindered assumption of wealth at the expense of all others is destructive to all involved.
>before 1960
Of course we have to define what capitalism is, in most Western countries before the 1930's it was one thing, after that it up until around 1975 it was another thing, after that it was something else. Actually the post New Deal/Keynesian system was basically a understanding that the system was under a serious threat from within and without and without major changes the whole thing would fall apart or be overthrown. Since the 1970's however the trajectory could be reset and there has been move back to a more unhindered variety of capitalism with some stipulations. The heavy state involvement would remain, in fact in most countries state expenditures have increased, but it is heavily skewed towards concentration of wealth. This isn't a written policy in most cases, but the very nature of states are that they favour a concentration of power which is only devolved through democratic structures and how informed the population is. We live in a time where billions and billions is spent to keep the population uninformed (an informed consumer is also a key idea in markets which i won't go into).
>>68307810
> public health care and welfare are necessary for a functioning society.
It makes a better and more functioning society. You don't 'need' police either but it ups the chances of your civilization holding together and working.
>>68306645
>capitalism is bad
Get your wheelbarrows ready kids time to go get some bread for father bernie
GO GET A JOB IF THE ECONOMY IS SO BAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqkozRfx_Q
>>68306895
im in a similar situation, bro
Whenever I argue about politics I argue a libertarian standpoint, and that "need" does not provide a superior moral claim to money than having "earned" it
yet I always get Bernie on the test
The reason I think is that the ideas of Bernie (and socialism) in general sound like a great idea in a vacuum: so when you read "Do you think everyone should have access to healthcare?" you think "Yeah that would be good for the country", but that question doesn't take into account all the other issues that are involved in providing free healthcare, which when taken as a whole leads me to a non-bernie position
also all these tests tend to offer "socialist" policies which to the European (like you and I - im a britbong) are not that extreme: e.g. free healthcare, cheaper education - ones that I am more willing to accept - meanwhile I am for the almost complete abolition of welfare, which for some reason never comes up
>>68307632
If capitalism is functional and non-exploitive, why does it require police to enforce property rights and state intervention to keep it's biggest institutions from collapsing?
>>68307227
Yup, as long as you faggots are around our societies will always turn to shit
Leftypol go home
>>68307594
>It's pretty much undebatable that the working class is exploited
Except I just proved the opposite, so the Burden of Proof is on you.
Source:>>68305991
>If capitalism was such an effective and fair system it wouldn't require a police state to protect it.
Yes it would. From non-economical threats, both foreign and domestic. England wanted its tax money. Mexico wants land back that was purchased from it. And, of course, there are the mass shooters who do the shooting for entirely non-economical reasons (Elliot Rodger is one such example; the kid was filthy rich).
Any idea can be taken to a ludicrous extreme and be turned into something terrible.
>>68307980
>more workers means more flow of money which means better economy it is you pricks that don't want to work that are fucking up the economy
We have been taking your names down, that wasn't a shitpot.
>>68307594
> it is undebatable
> strawman argument incoming
it IS "debatable" faggot.
you cant even define what "working class" means
you try to sieze the language and declare what can or cannot be argued, attempting to create conditions which result in marxism becoming the inevitable conclusion,when in fact your entire ideology is just a polemic against capitalism
marxism offers no solutions, has no ground game and dismisses the entirety of human experience with vague rhetoric and hand waving.
only a fool could believe this mindless tripe which has consistently failed for 130 years.
Go back to your pedo site leftypol. We are high energy here, we don't need cripples
>>68307980
>thinks leftists would support a social democrat
They killed Rosa senpai
>>68307980
Is this some diagram for retards? I have no clue what the fuck that represents
>>68308173
> High Energy
> Supporting a bimbo reality TV star.
What is pol acting like tween girls?
>>68307959
>Any system which promotes the unhindered assumption of wealth at the expense of all others is destructive to all involved.
How? I've already shown how the opposite is destructive in the video here:>>68306426
One could state the same about Communism/socialism. Was the failed state USSR Communist? It met all ten planks, and still failed horribly, with people waiting in lines for bread, whereas, in the US, the bread waited for you in the aisle of the grocery store.
If it is not, then what is?
How about socialism? If the origin of the US in the video link I provided is not socialist, then what is?
>>68306569
Look at that well formed rebuttal.
And you're telling me I'm the one who ants the hug box?
>>68308113
Do you seriously believe in your pic? It's totally pre-election propaganda to make sure Trump is hit before shit even starts. Are you americans that naive?
Can someone here give me a fundamental definition of left wing politics?
I'm libertarian, but I don't consider myself part of the left.
>>68305704
>>68308263
>free society
>>68308463
Only lefties. It's impossible for a skeptic, who starts at nothing, to wind up with the US left that we have today.
Go back to leredit you dirty marxist cuckolds
>>68304514
thread should have ended here
daily reminder to all fascists on /pol/: we are rising. we will take over your silly little board and soon after we will be executing you fascist pigs in the street.
>>68308463
I believe what I hear with my own ears. He did in fact say those things. If simply quoting him is propaganda then what is he?
>>68308655
>flag
This thread sucks. Now we roll.
>>68308499
Modern lefty politics, basically:
>Equal rights to all, despite of race, sex or gender
>Guarantee welfare for marginalized populations (vote-buying)
>Expand the State (through public health care, public education, public transportation, and goes on
>not worshipping the God-Emperor of Mankind
>>68304408
Cool mustache warrio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2z0nrsQ8o
>>68308463
It's not propaganda if they're pointing out things that are true.
>>68308753
black night, like a real somalian
>>68308032
any state requires police to ensure that tyrone doesnt hit you over the head with a brick and take your shit
the state protects industries it's duly elected representatives have deemed too important to leave to the vagaries of the market.
if the state didnt take steps to ensure that oil and coal producers stayed in business, even when their shit gets into a mess, you would freeze to death, if the state didnt subsidize crops incentivizing farmers to grow shit that may not get the highest price in the free market, you would starve.
if the state didnt subsidize hospital construction and medical school loans, you would die from your rampaging virulent syphilis.
you are exploiting the state by your mere survival, but i have not shot you in the face "for the good of the proletariat"... Yet.
>>68308782
>not worshipping the God-Emperor of Mankind
Are you referring to the man child?
>>68308655
>Tumblr filename
>"we r risin guiz, we gonna kill u"
Melbourne faggot, go eat a chainsaw
>>68304408
pol made me anarchist...
>>68307513
Hows sweden going to be doing in 10 years? Hows Germany going to be doing in 10 years? The UK? France?
>>68308655
This board is dead, lmao. Only good for Trump threads. Any good stuff goes to pic related.
>>68308782
>Worshiping a rotting corpse
>>68308677
He never said those things. The media and others repeated countless times to you that Trump said those things, and, as the proverb goes, "a lie quoted a million times becomes a truth". It's a famous strategy used by politicians, exists since the times of Rome.
>>68308349
>shills for marxism
>accuses people of being teenagers
Do you even have a job? College doesn't count.
>>68308045
You misunderstand what I mean. Under capitalism, you do not own your labour. Instead, you sell in exchange for a wage, which you need to ensure your survival. If it wasn't exploitative, skill would translate to wealth, not property ownership.
Also, the function of the police is not to fight crime. The function of the police is social control, and protection of property.
>>68308151
Ok then, explain to me how it isn't exploitative. Explain how property ownership is the path to wealth, rather than production of goods. explain how someone can claim ownership of the means of production without contributing in any meaningful way to it's operation or maintenance. Explain how selling your labour (which you do, unless you're NEET) isn't you being taken advantage of.
You've swallowed the corporate blue pill.
ITT:I have never had a real job
>>68304514
I don't get it. Someone explain.
>>68307810
Yeah we're also taught the significance of the "welfare state" all through school as well. It's presented purely as a positive term and as a sign of accomplishment as a nation. It doesn't help that although elementary school teachers are required a college degree they tend to be extremely leftist and whenever a history or social studies class glimpsed on anything remotely political the views expressed were exclusively leftist and presented as fact. Luckily I realized it early on but I can't deny that all of it wasn't as obvious and it certainly left a mark.
Here what I said above would be considered right-wing because I want to cut back on the income of those relying on welfare. The average (non-extremist) leftist would respond with something like "even those without a job deserve to enjoy their life" which in this context means modern luxuries such as a smart phone, big screen tv, nice clothes, even travelling. Something like "abolish welfare" doesn't even rank on the political spectrum, it's considered wild rantings of the village idiot.
>>68308523
So we chain now?
>>68304607
>>68305704
>>68308523
I'm right wing myself but these are objectively funny.
>>68305874
Libertarianism is anarcho-capitalism. Communism is anarcho-collectivism.
Very little difference 2bh familam
>>68308887
No, your desire to be an edgy faggot made you an anarchist.
>>68309076
Marx advocated for stateless societies. The Soviets applied his principles under an authoritarian regime, as a means of ushering in a socialist society. This is called vanguardism.
>>68304408
>libertarian
>>68309161
Eh, here's one more
>>68308655
What about Stalinists?
>>68308866
This is pure retardation. You triggered me right now, I pray this is bait.
the regressives like you are the primary reason why we can no longer take several countries seriously when they post. your fallacy-filled arguments and hivemind victim mentalities have made it hard for this place to ever EVER accept any form of leftist/communist threads or ideologies. You will never again be seen here as anything other than shitposting and butthurt sissy liberals. You reap what you sew
>>68309200
No I realized that socialists can become communists and capitalists can become fascist. If we never find the perfect medium then fuck it, back to tribes and shit I say.
>>68309093
People here never heard about free market. Which makes it much easier to persuade them. From countless of discussions online, I learned the fundamental counterarguments of a socialist, and I'm able to use them in real life against my socialist colleagues. The government uses welfare as a main weapon for keeping votes, and if they're starting to lose an election, they claim the opposing party is going to abolish welfare. It has worked for the last 14 years, and the Workers's Party is still on power.
>>68304408
I've genuinely just lost all patience for anyone who isn't a communist. It's pathetic how people will so vehemently defend their right to be repressed and exploited. There's no reasoning with people who prefer hierarchy to having control over their lives.
>>68308388
In my own opinion we shouldn't be hindering the assumption of wealth except where it hinders someone else's wealth, freedom and quality of life. But where there is a concentration of wealth in most cases this favours a concentration of power as the wealthy will use his wealth to manipulate and skew things towards himself. Adam Smith wrote a lot about this is Wealth of Nations. The logical extreme he saw in the division of labor could reduce men to the level of beasts.
The destructive aspects of such a system are very much visible today and i won't go any further in that regard.
I invite all you "marxist" people to come to Brazil and try surviving in this socialist shithole.
It's very easy to play the "socialist" game while you live in a capitalist country, you bunch of faggots, to hell with you
>>68304408
Communism's dead.
As technology develops even further, the quality of life for everyone increases as it already has done so. Without a sufficiently oppressed people to create a revolution, Communism has no chance of succeeding.
so I'm not trying to shitpost, but like I see fascist thrown around a lot and I always thought it meant authoritarian-loving but then why would people who support socialism and communism use it as an insult when they're big government as fuck?
Is it that facism is right wing authoritarianism, or am I just being stupid or something
>>68308655
>Australia
trashed
Leftists inciting violence against opposing beliefs yet again? Shutting down any conversation going against your narrative. Such tolerance! Expect nothing less from the left!
If only you people felt the same way about extreme conservative beliefs such as Islam.
We let you exist but if you dare try to use violence against us, prepare to be facing the business end of a gun against your empty skull.
>>68309391
>sew
>>68307884
...
>>68308975
> U R a wage slave!!
if i sell my labour to my employer he PAYS ME FOR IT, and if i think i can get more from somebody else i can quit and work for his competitors.
slaves and serfs cant do that, nor can proles in the marxist worker's paradises like NoKo, cuba or china.
if i decide to start my own business i can do that too, that is hardly slavery.
selling your labour to somebody else, who takes ALL THE RISKS isnt being exploited, if anything, the risk taker is victimized by his unfortunate need for assholes like you who think a company's duty is to provide you with a job.
if anything, capital is exploited by lazy selfish workers who always want a bigger slice of the profits, despite taking none of the risks.
your entire diatribe is just more meaningless marxist jingoism, which falls apart when examined critically.
capital risks their shit to try and build something, workers risk nothing except their days labour.
explain how you cant take responsibility for your own failure to acquire property with your wages.
>>68309585
Some people take their sewing very seriously.
>>68308917
They're going to be fine. The big bad refugees are not a new concept.
>>68308963
> Doesn't understand what marxism is, so accuses others of following the philosophy.
> Thinks Drumpf is a good idea even if he's the most emotional pile of crap out there.
I also work full time and graduate college this year. That makes you 0/3. What are you 12?
>>68309535
Eu tento não apelar pra isso de inicio, porque os caras vem e falam que o PT não é socialismo de verdade. Então, já de inicio, tento persuadi-los que socialismo de cu é rola.
>>68308499
>Can someone here give me a fundamental definition of left wing politics?
You wouldn't ask Obama to define Conservatism, don't listen to conservatives who think they are the final authority on what the left means.
"Left Wing" in the US is the belief that capitalism and free markets, while powerful and useful, can also be highly dangerous and destructive if left to their own devices.
Free markets are tools. You don't ask your circular saw what IT wants to cut. You hold it with strong hands. You measure your surfaces carefully. Wearing protective eyewear and ear protection does not make you anti-saw, it is common sense.
This is what REAL liberalism means. It is what I mean. And don't let the "liberal" media (ha ha) tell you otherwise.
>>68309562
Yes.
>>68309535
Yeah you guys were so much better off with the military dictatorship
Brazilians of all people should understand how rotten the state is with a government is as corrupt as yours, ffs the guy trying pushing for impeachment is up on money laundering charges and can't leave the country or he'll get arrested
>>68309449
>Tribes n' shit
Like I said, edgy faggot.
>>68309875
>they are going to be fine
Wait till ISIS finishes spreading through the refugees. They are gaining a hundred members a day INSIDE european borders.
This is the problem with socialism, whatever the rigged elections allow is forced upon a defenseless, state-dependent, population
>>68308388
In the matter of the Soviet Union it was such a mismanaged system at many levels and the price signalling criticism thrown at it by different economists has some merit there. It also is not a system that enforced equality there was a heavy tendency towards concentration of power and wealth within it as far back as Lenin who's Democratic Centralism (a weird and unusual kind of idea among the left and very much a minority type
of opinion at the time) favoured a concentration of power. So while Ukrainian peasants starved, Lenin rode around St. Petersburgh in a Rolls Royce.
>>68308523
I just did it for the fucks of it
>>68305292
No
Anarcho Monarchism is the true redpill
>>68308951
>It's a famous strategy used by politicians, exists since the times of Rome.
Yes, the Romans were notorious for playing videotape of their enemy's speeches.
=========
It occurs to me that you may actually be able to listen to Trump and not hear what comes out of his mouth. That is the power of ideology over reality.
>>68308917
>>68309875
>Native Germans are soon going to be a minority in their own country
>Merkel imports even more refugees to hasten this fate
>Soon the numbers of Muslims will be large enough to where they can vote Sharia law into power.
>They're going to be fine
I wish I still had this amount of optimism.
>>68309954
so then why use it like an insult when there have been successful facist states and countries under that definition, while there aren't any functioning left wing authoritarian countries?
>>68310147
>yo dawg
>>68306645
The capitalists are the only ones creating jobs! Our goverment could not shit out three hospitals to save its life because of the beuracracy needed.
you know the top part of norway the size of denmark? We got one fucking hospital three towns away the town used to be the biggest in the county before but because of cuts they keep it there, only ICU unit in the county to.
The kebabs we let in even if by some small chance they are willing to work cant work because socialists keep fucking over employers in this country with fucking taxes, mind you we tax our products so that aplies extra for an employer needing equipment.
so no jobs for anyone and kebabs get rapey and frustrated, meanwhile norwegian youth dont get shit and only get half the benefits, this system creates the monsters its trying to destroy, look at russia they are the most capitalistic people ive met, one russian expat never sold his cars he just had 5 cars on the lawn to admire and theyre all black market kings and clever drug mules.
i just cant believe anyone would want this for their country.
>>68310238
>wat hommie
>>68309962
The guy that may get arrested is Paulo Maluf. He is searched by the Interpol, and he is against the impeachment. Learn your shit, pal.
>>68307683
>the future is fucking gay
Yeah sounds about right for you under Trudeau
>>68304408
i am you but stronger
>>68307683
>A future that robs the working man while giving the unemployed lifestyle parasites all the benefits.
Sounds like a bright future.
>>68310092
> This is the problem with socialism, whatever the rigged elections allow is forced upon a defenseless, state-dependent, population
Socialism is also the police and military force keeping you protected from invaders.
>>68310213
Basically spewing the same nativist fears that the far right has always had. Its interesting to see a Semitic tribe like Christianity fight against another Semitic tribe like Islam. Guess that's what happens when the sister religions are all that's left.
>>68309875
I understand Marxism just fine. You'll see when you get out of college. I don't believe that you work full time btw. :^)
>>68310312
>i heard u liek porkips
>>68310843
> I understand Marxism just fine. You'll see when you get out of college. I don't believe that you work full time btw. :^)
Great, then define marxism for me. As for working for full time; you'll understand one day when you move out of your parents house and actually have to pay bills.
>>68310262
>The capitalists are the only ones creating jobs!
Great. Lets fire all the solders, police and road construction workers then. They are just a drain on society! :?
>>68309748
>if i sell my labour to my employer he PAYS ME FOR IT
Or, crazy thought, you could own your labour and not get keked by your boss.
>cuba or china
You know these are quasi-capitalist markets, right?
>if i decide to start my own business i can do that
Then why haven't you? is it because starting a business requires huge amounts of capital and property ownership? Like skilled labour is undervalued under capitalism? It's almost like you're being exploited!
>who takes ALL THE RISKS
and reaps ALL THE REWARDS of your labour. And if he's lucky, the government will give him a billion dollars for losing a billion dollars.
>the risk taker is victimized by his unfortunate need for assholes
Wow, must be tough to own means of production, where your own incompetence can sink you, instead of a labourer, where you can be competent and still get sunk by others incompetence.
>a company's duty is to provide you with a job.
I think a company's duty is to be dragged in to the street and crucified. You really don't understand anarchy if you think we believe our relationship with a company is them owing us a job. A job is not owning your labour.
>capital is exploited by lazy selfish workers
corporate shill confirmed.
>which falls apart when examined critically
A lie repeated often enough becomes truth
>capital risks their shit
What is government bailout
what is corporate welfare
>explain how you cant take responsibility for your own failure to acquire property with your wages.
I spend my money on personal property, not private means of production. I have 0 desire to be a business owner and continue the cycle.
>>68310262
Thank you for your insight, this is a raid thread by leftypol so they won't listen,but I read what you have to say and took it to heart.
>>68310592
>Welfare state=socialism
This is what Americans actually believe.
>>68311307
Lots of dumbass "leftists" in Canada and Europe believe this meme too.
>>68311405
True, I was just being cheeky with your flag.
>>68304408
>>68304408
my comrades are doing well in your first world countries?
>>68307981
> "need" does not provide a superior moral claim to money than having "earned" it
I think I get what you're talking about. While I'm not for abolishing all welfare I view it as a type of "necessary evil". I don't think those people deserve it, I don't think it's "right" to give it to them, but I recognize that not having such a system could very well result in an even worse mess.
The average finn of "neutral politics" would very likely argue that people on welfare do deserve it just by being alive. That not only is it the right thing to give them money but that it would be abhorrently wrong and a sign of extreme greed to deny them that. That's the thing that really bothers me even more than paying them money, the attitude of those who support the system and of those who rely on welfare. 90% of them seem extremely ungrateful and tend to bitch about not getting more while living in a free apartment, eating free food, watching free tv and browsing free internet on a free computer. The standard of what they "deserve" has only gone up and things like not having money to go out with friends to drink and party are a sign of "the man" keeping them down because of his greed.
>>68311602
So hows socialism in Vietnam?
Right wingers attack your threads because your ideas are fucking dumb. We have tried and tested every ideology on the planet and have come to the conclusion that reactionary ideologies are the best ones.
Cant stand having your ideas scrutinized and proven wrong? Dont post on an anonymous forum.
>>68311602
Have you tried the McDonald's that opened up in Ho Chi Minh City yet?
>>68311075
You're clearly an idiot but I'll bite. Marxism aims to take over the means of production. So, in keeping with Karl Marx's old timey ways, let's picture a factory. The employees of that factory take it over, violently. YAY, we won! But the SUPPLIERS won't deliver, because they fear they will lose money? What do you do Che?
>>68305292
>treating political ideologies the same way tumblr treats gender identities
my god
>>68310756
Are leftists fearful that instead of wiping each other out, Christianity and Islam end up merging into a super religion that inherits the worst characteristics of anti-progressive beliefs? It's not out of the realm of possibilities. Even with just Muslims alone, progressives will be thrown back to square one in trying to change a religion that has not budged in centuries.
I suppose that's interesting to see but it's still tragic that Germans are becoming a minority in Germany. It'll be a sad future where German culture - its traditions, food, beer, etc. are a thing of the past. Glad I was able to go over a year ago when things weren't as bad as they are now and enjoy things like Oktoberfest. Because sadly it'll probably not be around anymore within 10 years.
>>68311797
Why would they stop the delivery? The factory will still function and produce, the only difference is the management style.
>>68307351
>complaining about people he doesn't agree with in his thread
>complains about hugboxes and echo chambers
This only confirms that when leftists complain about /pol/ being a hugbox, it's just complaining that it isn't their particular hugbox.
If you want an echo chamber you have one. It's called leftypol.
>>68311713
>socialism
>vietnam
was good in the first generation, back in the "fuck americans" era. nowadays its full of shit. most people here couldnt tell the difference between communism and socialism, voting is pretty much a joke. people even believe we live in a democracy.
>>68311788
not anytime soon since a mass food poisoning happened there in a knockoff chain of fast food restaurant.
>>68312167
desu i come here to laugh at reactionaries
>>68310999
I did a thing
>>68304408
Anarchy isn't about socialism. It's a far right political idea as far as I'm concerned.
>>68304408
>Socialist
they're just bourgeois under a red flag
>anarchism
DUDE WEED
any non-authorian left is jut a joke
>>68311730
>Can't stand to have your ideas scrutinized and proven wrong
I welcome this actually. Being bombarded with meme's however is not being proven wrong.
A REAL ISSUE IS BEING SLID
>>68311666
>>68312436
Franco would be disappointed
>>68312278
>lefties get rekt so hard and know that their viewpoints are silly so they just shitpost about how they're actually laughing now
>>68312430
I mean, it's not far right, and anarcho-socialism/communism is based
>>68312483
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>>68312407
kek
>>68308655
But liberals are terrified by loud scary guns
>>68312582
>lefties get rekt
Where? I must have missed it, all I've seen is reactionaries defend their masters
M-MUH STATE
N-NO ONE CAN WORK HARD AND BE REWARDED FOR IT
>>68312436
Authoritarian socialism has been the thing that has proven itself to be a joke. Actually less of a joke, more of a nightmare that has perpetually tainted the socialist movement.
>>68306645
People don't have rights, citizens do.
>>68312577
My great-grandad fought against the Republic for Franco, how did they payed? illegalized his party (christian monarchist) and exiled him, i'm glad my granddad joined some ETA/Anarchist militia and died doing what he loved, plotting to put bombs on police stations
>>68312678
>>68312678
most of /leftypol/ actually support gun owning. marx was pro gun and so were lots of leftists. its just the modern hipster liberals who are against guns
>>68312635
Socialism without centralization is like Capitalism without currency.
Anarchy would arguably be the Ultimate-Far Right ideology, where value is perceived, nothing is centralized.
The opposite being the modern Technocracy, where everything is centralized, planned and organized by machines and mathematics, and no decisions are made.
>>68312678
You know the far-left hates liberals more than you, right?
check these digits
>>68312862
Your grandfather sounds like a faggot who got BTFO
>>68311797
> You're clearly an idiot but I'll bite. Marxism aims to take over the means of production.
That would be communism.
> So, in keeping with Karl Marx's old timey ways, let's picture a factory. The employees of that factory take it over, violently. YAY, we won! But the SUPPLIERS won't deliver, because they fear they will lose money? What do you do Che?
That's called a hostage situation. Nothing with communism means that you need to block your suppliers either. You're also missing the fact that Socialism which is different than communism is already within the majority of countries. You don't need to change any supply lines.
Fuck all you degenerate heretics. Go back to plebbit and may Lord KEK belled be thy name strike you down with meme magic reeeee! Praise KEK
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>>68312278
Very few people here are actually reactionary, and Zizek is a hack.
Anyway, has anyone seen Rei? I saw him on /his/ two days ago.
>>68312678
>the revolution of the proletariat is going to be made with flowers, peace and love
only dirty hippies believe that
>>68312843
> more of a nightmare that has perpetually tainted the socialist movement
the soviet union and the asociation of non-aligned countries were the balancing of power of the world, not a single flower-power movement have achieved anything close to that
As a radically left-leaning Cuban-American who is voting for Sanders during my state's primary, how do I fare in authenticity?
I can speak Spanish, French, some Russian and want to learn Arabic.
I also think OSPAAL is pretty nice.
Also, not all Cuban-Americans are as stupid as Cruz and Rubio.
quads
>>68313249
The revolution won't happen because of a few things, the main one being;
The proletariat is lazy.
>>68313249
Are you a tankie
Please Lord KEK may you bless me with trips
>>68313291
Burnie would be your "worst" option if you want your precious "revolution".
Trump would bring the emergence of a far more radical left winger, think Gary Hart x1000.
Also, sanders can't win, never had a chance, Democrats primaries are rigged
>>68313164
>Suppliers flee to a capitalist country that offers a better deal
>Communism then kicks in, due to the need to horde what's left
You know.
For the good of the people and all.
>Socialism is failing Globally, yet Denial is Strongk
Clocks counting down to Civil Was everywhere.
>>68313212
> I like living in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with me.
Conservatism.
>>68313291
>leftist calling someone else stupid
Wew
>>68313607
>American chaospolitic/nopolitic
FTFY
