So, I recently watched Empire of Dust from Savage Films. Also known as: Based King Lao Yan redpills the congolese for ten days in a tortuous quest to buy 2 tons of gravel from the lying, cunning (and rather lazy) locals.
You should totally watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
My question is what in the world does China want in Congo? The locals destroyed everything the belgians gave and will likely destroy everything the chinese makes (Lao Yan himself explains this). Why is China expanding in Congo, Uganda, Tanzania and other african countries?
Outside of the resources the whole place seems kind of stopped in time and isolated. Even Eddy (the french-chinese speaking congolese man who is Lao Yan's sidekick) tries to betray the chinese many times during the documentary and even speaks in swahili so Yan won't know what he's saying.
I think that entire land is doomed. Has China gotten any profits at all from Africa, /pol/? Has China made any difference at all there?
>>68301483
knobheads
Also, here is the chinese walking meme's quote:
"I noticed there was some fuel missing from the generator. I'd love to grab the thieves and beat them in front of the other black guys."
It is around 23:50.
>>68301483
I want you to sell me gravel. I don't have any money on me right now and I don't really know how much I need but you sell me gravel right now at a good price.
-typical fucking Chinese
>>68301483
China has made significant profit. The trades between the government and the Chinese companies helped both parties out. China will get resources, the Africans get Infrastructure. Win Win.
>>68301483
The Belgians only had infrastructure to transport resources out of the country.
Of course it would be destroyed when the locals are uneducated and don't know or have the money to maintain infrastructure.
>>68303058
then the africans will neglect or actively destroy the infrastructure in the next 15 to 20 years and everybody will shake their heads in shame
>>68303428
Yes that cycle will continue to happen, unless the government becomes more stable, stop corruption, and get more people into the Industrial sector to stop this process.
Africa does look backwards, but it wont be backwards forever, most countries are improving in their economic and political situations.
>>68304057
africa is always going to be shit, it's full of africans
>>68301483
>Why is China expanding in Congo, Uganda, Tanzania and other african countries?
>Outside of the resources the whole place seems kind of stopped in time and isolated.
For the resources you dumb fuck
PROXY WARS!
>>68304226
It used to be shit in Europe, but they improved.
Just like someday the Africans will improve. Its not a matter of will they improve, its a matter of when.
>>68301483
I think the Chinese are after minerals in particular.
>>68301483
Congo is a heaven of natural resources. Niggers are too occupied killing each other to extract it, so China comes and does their gook magic
>>68302105
he has to say that he doesn't have money because he'll get robbed if he had money on him
Just think, every "non-industrial" country is demonstrably at least 300 years behind the UK.
>>68304486
they were living in the stone ages when europe arrived like they have been for the past 200,000 years and they would continue to live in the stone ages for the next 200,000 years
>>68304486
when will they stop being niggers?
they kicked the whites out of south africa and since have only done the opposite of develope
>>68305009
Exactly, Its only time.
>>68301483
Africa is a goldmine of resources, china can exploit the fuck out of africa because:
>blacks are too stupid to realize what's happening
>China is ruthless as fuck
>western left is unable to do the mental gymnastics necessary to comprehend that non-whites can be racist
China is trying neocolonialism. Whereas Western powers are only interested it in cooperating with African nations if they appeal to western values of democracy and human rights, the Chinese are just saying fuck it, just give it to us. Except they're the Chinese and will pollute and fuck everything up.
>>68303428
>then the africans will neglect or actively destroy the infrastructure in the next 15 to 20 years and everybody will shake their heads in shame
Has nobody ever told them the magic of confiscation or stealing instead of destroying shit?
>>68305250
tell me of an african country that has effectively done that, and countries with 10% or more arabs do not count
>>68305068
The reason why they lived in the stone ages is because there wasn't as much Arab traders going into central and southern Africa due to the Sahara Desert. Europe, The Middle East, and Asia all benefited, and anyone who was not apart of that were still in the stone ages.
>>68305086
They will stop being niggers when they become educated and their governments stop being so corrupt.
>>68305416
point is that somebody at some point decided to stop nigging
niggers didn't
>>68305566
Niggers will stop once they reached a point in life where they are not poor.
And no Welfare doesn't count
>>68305416
The arabs were killing the Europeans, not trading with them. Also the arabs were trading as far south as timbuktu.
>>68305751
the vast majority of them are incapable of not being poor
>>68305142
This.
Actually just got done with a 20-page report on this topic, and it all comes down to economics and swooping resources. A lot of the neocolonial arrangements result from China not giving a shit about Africa's poorer and less strategically significant countries, and giving their commercial interests free reign in a lot of those shitty countries. Being the cunning and cut-throat motherfuckers they are, those oligarchs bend retarded regimes over and fuck 'em for peanuts
Here's a good piece on all of this: http://africacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ASR-3-Apr-2015.pdf
>>68305875
The Arabs killed and traded with most people. Timbuktu was one of the few places Arabs can risk their journey for profit.
>>68305930
Like European peasants?
>>68306068
obviously not since their descendants get to shitpost on /pol/ while africans barely have running water
>>68304546
oh lawd this image. I had a chuckle.
>>68305416
>there wasn't as much Arab traders
Then why are the Muslim parts of Niger, Nigeria, and Mali such terrifying shitholes?
>>68306302
But their descends were only able to get rich from the help of the government.
Africa's government is pretty much nonexistence outside the Capital.
>>68301483
correct me if i'm wrong but I don't think it's the chinese government getting anything, the business owners go because they can't get anything done in China proper
>>68301483
Friendly reminder that the dindu in OP's pic is the translator and speaks FUCKING MANDARIN
>>68306579
yeah, governments made up of niggers are pretty fucking unstable aren't they
>>68305751
is that possible?
>>68306605
Some of the government's state enterprises benefit directly, and they overall are able to sustain their need for natural resources. Also, you have plenty elites within the Chinese government that benefit as well.
Here's a nice flow chart on how their form of neocolonialism works - aka the Angola Model. Queensway = a network of Chinese investors
>>68306468
Its because the vast majority of Niger and Mali are Muslim, and those people are poor because the country it poor.
Nigeria christian is rich due to the fact that most of the oil is south, where the Christians are. The North is predominantly Muslim.
>>68305728
>tits
>>68306789
Yes governments made out of niggers are pretty unstable. But the Niggers will one day learn how to fight together for their country and not kill each other for scraps.
once full democracy is introduced to their country and they can kick out corrupt politicians.
>>68306708
i was more surprised by his patience. an african american would have noged out at the first jab of chinse scolding man
i guess knowing mandarin is pretty incredible. you have to remember there are penty of africans going to china to work and live, some may come back knowing the language
>>68307334
>>68306708
he spoke chink, swahili, frog and english
but eddy a lazy nigga anyway
>>68306912
Its possible, Its just time which is the final factor that should play out.
>>68307334
Yea China's got a few Confucian Institutes opening up across Africa, and paying for a lot of rich Africans' kids to go over to China to study Mandarin
How long until the nigs chimp out in armed rebellion against the chinese corps?
>>68301483
>Outside of the resources the whole place seems kind of stopped in time and isolated.
China is investing in areas where Western financiers and countries won't typically go due to various investment standards such as the Equator Principles and risk assessment. China does not give a flying fuck about sustainable investment or respecting the country. They do not give a fuck about risk because they can manage it through their own force. They aren't worried about corruption because that's their modus operandi anyways.
China is able to therefore invest where others wont to harvest resources and establish their own sphere of power. It is entirely possible this will blow up in their faces.
>>68304546
Kek'd
>>68301560
>When you can see Eddy's spirit break in that last few seconds.
There are just over 95 million white Brazilians.
Most of them live concentrated in the south and south easter regions of Brazil.
No country in Europe besides russia can dream of even having 95 million population in total, even with immigrants.
Tell me again how I'm not white, /pol/.
>>68307264
that's a nice fairy tale but nigs are gonna nig no matter what
>>68307609
So much this. Since the end of the Cold War, the West no longer gave a flying fuck about Africa. They were no longer strategic allies, just burdens and money pits. China's the only one down to put up big money and cut fat deals, and they don't give a fuck about no democracy bullshit or any of that
>>68307788
*as history has empirically proven to us
>These lazy niggers literally sitting around waiting to be told what to do
Some things never change.
>>68307788
I know that you have that world view, but their countries are increasing in wealth, and soon in about 300 or so years, they would be considered devolved countries from their economic trends. By then, they would have probably figured most things out through trial and error.
>>68307813
There's a fairly large amount of western FDI in Africa in all honesty, but it's very controlled/limited to manage risk and achieve development goals. This leaves a ton of space where the West won't go and projects they won't invest in (especially extractive-industry projects like resource mining) that China is happy to take on.
>>68307930
It has?
>>68301560
what he said was poignant, but in the end multi-lingual-nigga is just one dude, what's he supposed to do about decades of government mismanagement
>>68306708
And french, english and swahili.
>tfw leagues smarter than the average african
>tfw don't trust the chinese
>tfw still bluepilled as to why africa is a hellhole but also don't fully buy into it was the whitey that did it all
Being Eddy is suffering.
>>68308154
Look at Rhodesia, it used to be Africa's breadbasket but in a couple decades it is now begging for food
>ib4 droughts
Doesn't explain the plummet in agricultural productivity.
>>68308235
He repeatedly says it's not the fault of africans that things turned out this way, which is obviously bullshit.
>>68306995
What is wrong about that?
Sounds like a reasonable deal.
No one is forced to show you the price of everything.
Deals are private.
>>68308154
just look at all the decolonization--they left behind democracies and it turned into shit
>>68301483
>Did you tell them not to steal
You can't make this shit up
>>68306009
And mali is still a shithole regardless
>>68305728
HIGH TEST
>>68301483
Why don't we send him a card? It probably sucks staying in Africa and it would make him happy to know he has fans of the documentary
>>68307747
>There are just over 95 million white Brazilians.
So less than 50% and falling.
Have fun. Also have fun with infiltrating muslims.
>>68308321
Why did fucking Eddy decide to work for /pol/ incarnated?
It is pretty clear Lao Yan and the chinese engineers don't give a flying crap about Eddy.
>>68309238
Mali is a shithole because Morocco invaded it and took over the sub-Saharan trade routs.
>>68308321
>>tfw still bluepilled as to why africa is a hellhole but also don't fully buy into it was the whitey that did it all
Propaganda is strong.
He might have gone farther if the education system was decent.
>>68303058
CIDF detected
the gov't of madagascar allows thai gem merchants to use mechanical equipment to rip their shit apart
the locals are only allowed to use shovels to search for the shit
africa is corrupt as fuck and china is trying to take advantage of that. unfortunately africans are also lazy as fuck and quick to violence.
>>68309647
Whats a CIDF, I'm new to POL
>>68309480
Money, and they seem to have a decent rapport but there is very much a divide.
>>68309315
How would you track him down anyway? Also that woud be wired.
>>68308549
Denial is the first step to acceptance.
It's not that he doesn't consider it. It's that he doesn't want to believe it. Having an all knowing and shadowy boogeyman is less stressful than facing the problem
>>68307454
Kek
>>68307747
Yeah... The white (mostly Portugese, Italian, German and Lebanese) and Japanese hues all live in São Paulo highrises or higher-end communities. Favella niggers outnumber you, but you have the means to sink your country more than Mortadella sandwiches ever could!
>>68307747
>>68301483
holy shit men... work with this niggas its a pain in the ass... lol
>>68309986
>Lebanese
>white
???
>>68307334
The africans that have any foresight emmigrate to China anyway for work and a higher standard of living.
>>68309801
We track people down and send them cards all the time
>>68301560
Upgrading railway lines aren't a priority when you don't have food to eat Mr. China Man.
>>68310342
Brazil doesn't follow the one-drop rule, neither does most of the world outside of São /pol/o
>>68310449
>transporting and trading goods for wealth so you can afford food isn't a priority
?????
>>68305338
>and countries with 10% or more arabs do not count
like Somalia?
>>68310449
>Upgrading railway lines aren't a priority when you don't have food to eat Mr. China Man.
Stop demanding Ressource to actually build working infrastructure that would support our economy.
Employing lazy locals is way more effective.
>>68310569
Have you actually been to Africa? I have, I grew up there and railway lines aren't damn near close to being a reliable source of transportation, especially for food, because the colonialists left them in a horrible state anyway.
>>68310781
>the colonialists
>>68301560
BTFO, nigger was just shaking his head like a buffoon
>>68307454
I think he just didn't like working with the chinese. He mentions that the chinaman has a temper and can be an asshole at times. That scene where he's eating lunch alone kind of just enforces how ostracized he is. He works without loyalty but the chinaman needs him to translate and he needs the chinese paycheck.
>>68310781
>the colonialists left them in a horrible state
Of course.
>>68310982
I don't need to "argue" about literal facts. Most countries in Africa are barely past 50 years old in terms of independence.
>>68301483
Theres several canadian mining ops in Africa too making good money. Plenty of resources for the taking, its just no one is doing it on the same scale as the chinese
>>68310781
>the colonialists left them in a horrible state
>hundreds of miles of functioning rail connecting mining resources to the capital
>19-fucking-30's
Fucking colonialists
>>68311140
And? Since when that means anything?
You move forward, not backwards. That is the only way you make progress.
Give them 50 more years and things would only be worse.
>>68310781
No, the Belgians had fully operating railroads and infrastructure right up until they left. It's not the fault of the Belgians that the Congolese are inept and not capable of high civilization.
>>68301483
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would volunteer to brave the savages and horrid environment to help CREC make some headway into turning Africa into a semi-habitable place.
I don't think I'm allowed though.
>>68311297
Like I said in my first post ITT, upgrading a rail way line isn't a priority when you have basic needs to worry about first. I don't think Brasil has a high tech railway system either. In fact I just looked it up, and it has among the worst.
http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/railway-infrastructure-in-brazil
>>68311328
>high civilization
Those railroads were only meant to serve the people who built them.
Just watched that yesterday, too. It seems like they're (the Chinese) are smart enough to understand Africa, but they're going to persist and make the same mistakes as Europeans did anyway.
For me, this was just another redpill. I was warming up to black a little bit with the vocal Trump supporters, but what they talk about, such as blacks stealing and acting innocent, spending all their money in a day rather than saving it, that's basically blacks anywhere.
I don't have a lot of faith in black people, and I don't think the Chinese will be anymore successful than anyone else was in the long-term.
Look how reluctant Eddy is to accept these criticisms throughout the documentary, while based Lao Yan flat-out admits China was even further behind than the DRC was in the 1930s.
>>68311538
We left them to dust in favor of trucks and roads. For market cooperation with the rest of the west, mostly.
Also, gibe moni.
>>68311538
That sort of blows the forced labor meme out the door. If it was the poor oppressed Africans who were forced to build the infrastructure, wouldn't they also feel compelled to maintain it? Surely the Belgians trained at least a portion of the native population to do the job.
Did they just give up?
>>68308112
No one cares, civilization is compared relatively. If they finally learn how to build a two story building once we are colonizing planets, they are still niggers.
>>68311538
Exporting minerals to buy cheap food from foreign markets through reserves does not benefit the locals? That is what Japan did for decades and it worked superbly. In fact a lot of countries are not self-suficient with food.
Kongo COULD be self-suficient with everything, unlike most nations.
Stop being a fucking white knight.
Brazil transports its shit through trucks. It has been like this since the 50s because of USA's influence.
Not everyone needs to use the railed jew.
>>68311538
>Those railroads were only meant to serve the people who built them.
And what of them when they(the Belgians) left? The Congolese had railroads built all around the country, free for them to use at their will. Instead they let them deteriorate, and become useless.
>>68310342
The Christian ones are descended from Crusaders.
Tropics.
Retar road.
Shit breaks because those fucking workers stole tar and as such the top layer was too thin.
(Rain (and momentary water pressure from tires) washes out potholes if there are cracks in the tarmac.)
>>68311785
They'll persist because they're desperate for resources and we're too expensive for them to continue importing from.
>>68311795
Same concept in Africa. Railway transportation isn't seen as important when it's so expensive to maintain.
>>68311814
It wasn't Africans who built the train tracks, at least not from where I'm from. The Brits brought in Indians to work on the rail roads spanning across three countries and those guys had horrible living conditions.
>Surely the Belgians trained at least a portion of the native population to do the job.
The people who got trained to build the first train tracks are long dead by now and when people say that Europeans "built" things in Africa they are grossly exaggerating. Most of the manual labor was done at gun point or for peanuts.
Based Eddy
Eddy needs to step up and make his country strong, as do all the based smart niggas.
/pol/ loves to hate on blacks, but I want them to learn to help themselves.
The redpill will be hard to swallow for someone like Eddy, but if all the Eddys learn then they will get Africa out of its shithole status
>>68312152
Slavery was always there in Africa.
Where were the fucking railways before the belgians came?
the only way to watch this directors other videos, as far as i know, is to buy them off some belgian streaming site
but when you try to buy them it tells you that you must be in belgonia to make the purchase
mad gay
i want to watch this fucker
http://www.nl.universcine.be/films/silent-visitors
>>68311785
Judge people on the content of their character and attitude, there are based blacks like Sowell and justice Clarence out there. Just because a lot of them are shitheads doesn't mean there aren't outliers.
>>68312152
So they fought for independence just so they could continue to be lazy fucks and not maintain what was left behind?
>>68312347
same place the portugese were in Hueland
>>68311873
>Stop being a whiteknight
Me talking about a place where I've actually lived in compared to you watching videos and clips off of youtube, CNN or worldstar hip hop isn't whiteknighting.
>Exporting minerals to buy cheap food from foreign markets
You can't do this if your government is relatively new and still corrupt to the bone. Stop making it sound like it's so damn easy, you live in Brazil of all places, you of all people ought to know what corruption feels like.
There are a lot more factors going on than "LOL LAZY NIGGERS xD" typed out by some NEET on 4chan.
>Kongo COULD be self-suficient with everything
There's no such thing as self-sufficiency unless you're North Korea.
>>68312286
But Eddy can't teach them not to steal.
If they keep stealing, nothing will work.
>>68312347
see >>68312451
and lose the supremacist act.
>>68312152
>Railway transportation isn't seen as important when it's so expensive to maintain.
Isn't this offset by low transport cost, energy-wise?
>>68312286
Europeans had tried that for over a hundred years. I agree that people like Eddy need to swallow the pill, but at the same time, have they not already?
Look at the other blacks who say the Chinamen "think we're just like apes." They already hate themselves, they must feel shame for their country, but they don't do anything to fix it.
>>68310908
Honestly he is probably the last one that the chinaman should be saying that stuff to, that black guy actually learned Chinese and became a valuable worker for them in spite of being in an absolute shit hole.
>>68309570
France has spent tens of billions on infrastructure, education and agricultural subsidies to make Mali a role model for Africa... it starting to pay off.
>>68312576
>energy-wise
There's barely any electric lines running through most parts of the country.
>>68311140
Doesn't take 50 years to fix train tracks, sambo.
>>68312455
I know more of corruption than you.
And corruption is not like the rain or the storm. The people create corruption because they build unecessarily large burocracies because the people are absolutely untrustworthy and need their every claim checked by the state (Fukuyama's book 'Trust').
Then only the people who can bribe the state can actually get anything done. The state and not the consumer because the field of people. Whoever gets more favors and contracts profits.
For the people to be trustworthy there is no miracle. They have to be trustworthy. That only happens with empathy. How we increase the empathy in the people? IQ. How do we stop decreasing IQ? Stop fucking bringing your children to warzones and beat them.
>pic related is correlation between IQ and corruption
>>68312382
Use a vpn noob
>>68301560
why the fuck are they going to maintain a railway they dont even have people with the knowledge of doing so? Or even using it afterwards?
>>68312611
The mountain looms too steep, and the road too treacherous.
The African mind would be born with little hope for success.
>see /R9K/
Maybe all Africans should get /fit/ and shitpost like us?
>>68301483
The more you learn about African and Africans the more you realise they are the people of Ham that were cursed by god.
They will never improve and will eventually drag the world back to the stone age. They are roaches spreading everywhere.
>>68312670
I also think Lao Yan is being an idiot for abusing Eddy that way. Eddy is the only good worker there from Africa. Lao Yan is shooting himself of the foot because Eddy looks like he's trying to betray them everytime he meets another congolese.
>>68301483
>mfw that chinaman is complaining about a shitty measuring stick and the translator tells him its shit because it was made in china
>>68313216
ABSOLUTE MAD MAN
Please, Africa. Never change.
Political correctness is the scum of human culture.
>>68313216
>>68312901
Humans are inherently corrupt. It's just easier to get away with it in 3rd world countries because the governing system is way more lax. In the US for example, it's hard to be corrupt cause you have like 5 different bodies examining what it is you can / can't do.
Like I said again, the concept isn't that hard. African and South American countries still haven't figured out how government works. That chart you posted is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in terms of a correlation chart.
You're pretending like a place like Singapore also didn't have its own financial crisis as recent as 1997.
>>68313207
He's frustrated and stressed out
>>68312455
>North Korea
>self-sufficent
Not mocking your other points but do you realise how much aid they get?
>That's about it
Poor Eddy
>>68313562
I meant in that they're doing well for being a country that isolated itself from the rest of the world.
>>68311866
Yes, but technology also grows with their advancement and gets cheaper. Its not their isn't any smartphones in Africa despite being back a couple of centuries when we have them now.
>>68313207
>Eddy looks like he's trying to betray them everytime he meets another congolese.
Doesn't look that way to me, he's just trying to reach the "medium term" between the chinaman and the apes.
>>68313207
Really the Chinese there aren't much better off than the Africans. China only managed to survive their colonial episode because of their preexisting civilization and institutions made it possible (even after the disaster of the cultural revolution), and even then the vast majority of the Chinese population are exploited by the elite and their ruthless pursuit for geopolitical relevance.
Colonial powers were a lot less generous to their African states, especially the Belgians. There was basically no development of an intellectual elite unlike other colonial nations, so it only follows that africa would be a complete shithole post colonialism.
>>68313927
>North Korea
>doing well
holy shit
>>68313960
Africa aren't a couple of centuries behind the modern world though.
>>68312797
Well, that's good for them, hopefully, they can be as stable as can be.
>>68313927
>doing well
If you live in one section of Pyongyang then yes. 99% of the country is fucked.
>mfw this thread is full of people Black knighting African countries, and regurgitating points from the video; like they're making new points.
>>68314290
Maybe I bought too much into the propaganda. Either way it makes my point even stronger that no country out there can truly be self-sufficient and succeed.
>>68307740
It must be hard. He knows several languages and must be a pretty intelligent man.
That intelligence comes at an obvious price though.
To put it simply, China and Africa are made for each other. China doesn't give a shit about human life or preserving the environment, content to strip mine absolutely everything for profit and leave what's left a fucking wasteland, and Africa is too stupid to realize when they're being cheated or robbed and will happily live in a stripped desert full of horrible disease, animals and pollution (as they have done for several thousand years now.)
Neither side is worth your empathy. Say what you want about Amerifats and the Middle East, but at least we're trying to turn them into respectable, peaceful nations before we jew the shit out of them.
>>68304486
I don't think you understand africans.
They were doing well 50 years ago. Now look at it.
>>68314180
In terms of infrastructure, political, and manufacturing.
Its like Europe in the 1800s because both had similar problems.
Africa can and will improve like Europe, who knows maybe even faster due to technology, social media, and trade deals with China.
>>68314707
Ask yourself, "Why were they doing well then?"
>>68314599
>Africa is too stupid to realize when they're being cheated or robbed
Except Africa do know they're being taken advantage of but it really isn't a regular citizen's call to make when it's the government accepting the Chinese money and pocketing it for themselves. You can say Africans are dumb sure, but the US owes them 14 trillion dollars.
>at least we're trying to turn them into respectable, peaceful nations before we jew the shit out of them.
No you aren't. In fact what you do is even worse. At least the China men are straightforward with their intentions.
>>68314599
>but at least we're trying to turn them into respectable, peaceful nations before we jew the shit out of them.
if anything you are doing the opposite of that m8.
>>68313451
>African and South American countries still haven't figured out how government works.
most latin american democracies are about 30 years old or so because certain nigger country decided to prop dictators left and right
my country for example, had a perfectly functional democracy before the dictatorship, with no risk of socialism
not that im justifying africans, or latam corruption. but that doesnt mean you get to dindu off of your mistakes.
ultimately you got lucky your rogue secret agencies never worked inwards, else youd know whats good
>>68307264
They had that. Then we let Nelson out and South Africa became a shithole again.
China is gonna gut Africa so bad they'll wish the white people were still in charge.
>>68314707
They were doing well because of their colonial super powers. Since they left, they had many problems due to the fact that the colonies would were rich and could afford things.
>>68314789
>trade deals with China
Trade deals with China only serve to make the continent go even deeper into dept and benefit China, not the people living in Africa.
In terms of everything else, yes they're behind cause this form of governance is new and there need to be a couple of birthing pains before it can finally work.
>>68314707
>They were doing well 50 years ago
Top kek no they weren't.
Brazilians can type proper english!?!?
>>68314933
>>68314958
When you unearth and disrupt dictatorships, the idea is that people will live better lives with a democratic system. The issue is democratic systems can't get a proper footing in a place where grassroots psychopathy campaigns like ISIS can start up in a day due to the sheer amount of crazy that exists, and has always existed, in that region.
You can argue all you want about proxy wars and the U.S. funding these groups for the sake of obtaining oil, but the ideal endgame scenario is a collection of countries who kiss America's ass because we turned them from shitholes into functioning first world nations. More or less what happened with Japan, sans nuclear bomb (so far.)
>>68315065
Its currently a shithole, but atleast they can improve in the terms the people would want to.
mfw these cucks ITT ignoring the biological reality of race and its implications
>I-it's because of colonialism...!
>j-just give hem enough time and they'll catch up...!
>>68315178
Yes thats true, but the government and people desperately need infrastructure. Because once you have that, they you can build improvements on other things that are lacking in the country.
>>68315257
>Isis and oil in East/Central Africa
Lad....Anyway, if you go to Libya right now, the natives aren't grateful that American forces intervened to take out Gaddafi. Everyone knows it was for the damn oil. Pretty much, the rest of the world care to intervene for Africa when it's profitable for them, not out of the goodness of their heart.
The typical American probably thinks Libya is in the middle east.
>>68315302
The Europeans needed time.
>>68303355
maintaining a railway is not the same as maintaining a power plant. this is 1800s technology. it was built using hand tools and can be maintained with them
>>68308154
A trend in Africa is baby rape, due to the belief that sex with a virgin cures HIV.
I'll let that sink in. That's modern day Africa, too.
>>68315550
Just less of it.
>>68315448
Instead of having Chinese come to your country and build roads for you, developing countries need to take that initiative for themselves. That way, you're hiring your own people for the job, training future generations, and reducing unemployment.
This whole Chinese involvement is a double edged sword cause yes you get good roads, but once they're done being built you go back home and you're still poor.
>>68315561
Yes, but the people need to know how to do so. The education in Congo is probably the worst. Since its not free, and the schools are terribly underfunded.
>>68315637
>modern day Africa
Reading an outlier story and touting that as the mainstream belief is beyond stupid my man.
>>68315727
But, its took time nonetheless, and the Europeans had advantages the Africans didn't.
>>68304546
i laughed harder than i should have
>>68313451
>Humans are inherently corrupt. It's just easier to get away with it in 3rd world countries because the governing system is way more lax.
It's also because every day life is a survival situation. They steal fuel and anything else of even the tiniest value so they can survive. They drink all they can because life is shit but being drunk takes the edge of.
Even in the West people living paycheck to paycheck will blow money on drinks and junk food for the same reason.
>>68315918
For sure, but it's heavily implied some of the advantages exist independent of time and geography.
>>68305728
oh man...
>>68316046
Like what?
>>68316046
>some of the advantages exist independent of time and geography.
Nope. Sub-saharan Africa was still in the stone ages cause they didn't live close to where "the party was"
Same can be said for the Aboriginals of Australia, Native Americans, indigenous people of South America.
Asians, Arabs and Europeans were in contact with each other, bouncing ideas, knowledge, philosophy, goods, wars, treaties off each for millennia, in turn they were able to better themselves much faster than an isolated community living by itself that no one knew it existed till the last 200 years.
Very few people fail to consider/think about this. They just want the simpler answer.
>>68316179
Here's a hint.
>>68315257
Which nations are you talking about? Certainly not Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guatemala, Laos, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Indonesia, ect, really the list goes on and on. Or are you talking about places like Saudi Arabia and the UAE where you just legitimize autocratic rule by showering them with money while they remain morally bankrupt, not to mention all the Islamic extremism exported by these nations further destabilizing the middle east.
Really the only examples are South Korea and Japan, and those just happened to be the first efforts in the United States new foreign policy before they started to get into everyone's business and fuck shit up.
>>68314902
Yeah, because of the old government. Then we went crazy and thought they'd build something respectable out of the waste.
They didn't.
>>68315550
The average IQ in Africa is 70...
>>68316556
If IQ is such a reliable source of finding out how "smart" a person is, then why don't we use it during job interviews etc. and it only appears on arguments around race?
The word smart is in quotations because how can one determine intellect?
>>68316470
Actually pretty much up to 1750, right before the agrarian revolution in Europe, Africa was roughly on par with Asia and Europe. It wasn't until said revolution that Europe began to accelerate its development past other regions.
>>68316903
>why don't we use it during job interviews
Because it would be unfair to everyone. Also IQ is one of the best indicators of professional success
>>68316903
>then why don't we use it during job interviews etc.
Because it's racist
>>68316903
We don't use it during job interviews because questions have to be directly related to job performance. I can only ask you your skills as they relate to a job. Also low IQ scores of various groups would get any employer an EEO complaint for adverse impact.
>>68316983
Nah bro, it's much easier to say it's cause of natural IQ and skull size.
Africa is whiter than Brazik, lmao
>>68316987
>IQ is one of the best indicators of professional success
[citation needed]
>>68316903
>If IQ is such a reliable source of finding out how "smart" a person is, then why don't we use it during job interviews etc
Because virtually every nigger would be out of a job. The only reason IQ is taboo is because to accept it, is to accept the reality that niggers are a bunch of knobheads.
>>68317135
So IQ is the only reliable and accurate way of understanding human intellect. Even when we are not sure on how some key functions of the brain works?
>>68316903
>mfw the type of faggot this guy is always resorts to attacking the validity of IQ
aaaaaand that's where the debate pretty much dies
>>68317331
Yes, unfortunately. The work on IQ is voluminous and highly corroborated. Honestly, It's fucking depressing
>>68317325
Why not accept that it's pseudoscience?
>>68317325
This post did you no favors Vladimir.
>>68317292
>For each one-point increase in a country’s average IQ, the per capita GDP was $229 higher, and can go up to $468 higher for each additional point.
http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-you-dont-want-to-know-iq-2011-11?op=1
Read as one page.
>>68316987
>IQ is one of the best indicators of professional success
hahahahahahahaha
oh wait you're serious
>the eternal oriental
>>68316903
because it would simply disappear in a day because of muh discrimination since it would almost immediately become a metric that puts blacks at the bottom of the stack
>>68317408
So is IQ valid?
Then why isn't it accepted into scientific fields and once its introduced, its dubbed as pseudoscience?
>>68317467
>Contrary to popular belief, the higher your IQ, the more likely you're socially smart
So does this mean 4chan is full of retards with low IQs?
>>68317554
What about in Homogeneous counties?
>>68317708
Probably.
>>68317431
Because it isn't. How is measuring someone's logical reasoning skills "pseudo science"?
>>68317840
It's pseudo science because you feel bad if you don't get a good score.
>inb4 muh social intelligence
see>>68317708
>>68317609
No. IQ isn't valid. That's the point. Someone writing a "feel good" article about it on business insider doesn't make it a valid form of measuring intelligence.
>>68301483
Its about time that the goddamn Chinese get a taste of their own medicine. Literally the worst people on Earth to do business with.
>>68317609
>Then why isn't it accepted into scientific fields and once its introduced, its dubbed as pseudoscience?
Politics. Quit being a daft cunt.
>>68317708
It's not hard to manipulate or interact with people, but yes the majority of 4chan is a bunch of retards. There are some really interesting posters though.
>>68316983
>Africa was roughly on par with Asia and Europe
Bullshit, not even North Africa was on par.
>>68317609
>Then why isn't it accepted into scientific fields and once its introduced, its dubbed as pseudoscience?
It's not. IQ is widely understood as an objective and consistent predictor of life outcome. It is accepted by mainstream science, which is why it's so 'problematic' for people such as yourself. The fact that IQ tests aren't used for job interviews doesn't somehow make that any less true—that's just a red herring.
Africa's average IQ of 70 is something that is facetiously referred to by certain people as a 'hate fact'—a fact which is objectively true and which challenges your worldview. Because it's objectively true, it essentially breaks your brain—right now you're going through a process similar to the stages of grief wherein you're forced to confront the cognitive dissonance between reality and your ideological worldview.
tl;dr: enjoy your redpill, comrade
>>68318013
>Moving goal posts.
>>68317933
>It's pseudo science because you feel bad if you don't get a good score.
I still can't tell if this was meant to mock people who think it's pseudoscience or if this is your sincere opinion kek
>>68318327
It's meant to mock people.
>>68318167
You turned a perfectly intelligent thread to a poo flinging contest with your correlation charts.
Post a chart that shows 100% of people who drink water also die and this is proof that it's a slow acting poison that takes away your immortality.
>>68318449
>Post a chart that shows 100% of people who drink water also die and this is proof that it's a slow acting poison that takes away your immortality.
>all those words just to say 'correlation does not imply causation'
you are mentally deficient
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
>>68318397
8 squibs and it didn't explode, that's actually pretty fucking impressive, bravo s&w.
>>68318161
Well, looks like you win. But i'm still keeping all of my views because i'm ignorant and refuse to change.
>>68318624
It's a revolver, the gas can escape easier.
>>68318516
>all those words just to say 'correlation does not imply causation
I could have just said that but I needed a stronger analogy to get through to you or else you'd have kept posting your charts.
>wikipedia article
>The 1996 Task Force investigation on Intelligence sponsored by the American Psychological Association concluded that there are significant variations in IQ across races.[7] The problem of determining the causes underlying this variation relates to the question of the contributions of "nature and nurture" to IQ. Psychologists such as Alan S. Kaufman[124] and Nathan Brody[125] and statisticians such as Bernie Devlin[126] argue that there are insufficient data to conclude that this is because of genetic influences. A review article published in 2012 by leading scholars on human intelligence concluded, after reviewing the prior research literature, that group differences in IQ are best understood as environmental in origin
Who's mentally deficient now?
>>68318713
They're redpilled as shit against blacks. Good enough for me.
>>68318751
You didn't prove shit. You just said IQ may be dependent upon upbringing rather than genetics. The original premise that IQ is generally correlated with success remains intact.
Lurk moar.
>>68313207
Eddy is fucking lazy as shit, he has a right to be mad. Did you not watch the video?
>>68311140
Lithuania has been independent for 20 years now. You don't see them destroying what commies left them. They're growing in infrastructure and economy every year.
Just comes to show that
>Whites>Blacks
>>68303428
The Chinese aren't "nice" like Yuropoors or Amerifats. They will go King Leopold if they have to.
>>68318751
>I could have just said that but I needed a stronger analogy to get through to you or else you'd have kept posting your charts.
you're talking to multiple people here, you god damn moron
>Who's mentally deficient now?
durr lemme just take things out of context
here's some wikipasta for you:
>Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.[6][18][19] It may seem reasonable to expect that genetic influences on traits like IQ should become less important as one gains experiences with age. However, that the opposite occurs is well documented. Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.8 in adulthood.[7]
see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices
Here's a video featuring a gentleman who lays out most of the important arguments and addresses most of the relevant counterarguments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI&feature=youtu.be
>>68318908
id be lazy as shit too if the fucker i worked with questioned every single thing i did and bitched non stop
>>68318892
this, but also IQ is at least 80% heritable lol
the reality is that your environment clamps your gene expression but can almost never boost it--the best you can do is maximizing your innate potential (until we get some scifi-tier tech to augment ourselves)
>>68301483
A few things you have to remember
>1. China must grow rarger
This is an interesting problem with Keynesian economic plans. If China fails to have growth and relatively full employment, shit will go badly quickly. If dicking around in Africa allows currency to flow, value to be created, and stomachs filled, then good.
>2. There is literally no one to compete
America washed their hands with Africa after Somalia. The best African nations are on the same tier as mediocre European nations. So, essentially China can fuck with them all they want; chimpouts? Nigga, they've got actual trained soldiers.
>3. Everything counts
Africa fell pretty hard. China, even while exploitative and generally not giving a fuck is still building roads and basic infrastructure. The worst thing to never happen to Africa was a trans-African railroad, but who knows? It might.
>>68318892
>You didn't prove shit
Actually I did, I shot you in the foot with your own stupid link. Most of the time the idiots who like to bring up IQ, do so, not cause they're interested in science but to push their supremacist agenda. "Oh look at me guys I'm white that means my IQ is high"
> You just said IQ may be dependent upon upbringing rather than genetics
I didn't say anything like that, I quoted the wikipedia link you just posted that quotes psychologists and statisticians saying that group differences in IQ are best understood as environmental in origin.
Not me. You.
Maybe you should have read your own link before parading it around you dummy. Next time you find yourself in this "debate" make a mental note not to make yourself look so stupid again.
>>68319219
>Actually I did, I shot you in the foot with your own stupid link.
>you
>confusing least three different people
Are you trolling, or are you really this fucking stupid?
>>68319157
I know IQ is mostly heritable. I was showing goodwill by accepting part of his premise. Too bad his argument was shit. Not enough is said about education. It enhances your cognitive abilities, but if you have a low IQ the best environmental and educational situation won't fix that.
>>68319071
I'm also talking to multiple idiots it seems.
>Take things out of context.
Oh the irony coming from the guy posting charts from 1920 and with source sites like "unamusementpark.com"
The "argument" here being that you think you're smart because you were born white in the 20th century in the US.
>>68319219
Just stop.
>>68319361
I think he's this dumb. Realize how triggered he got when people said IQ matters.
>>68305416
Wasn't trading supposed to be harder in Africa because the Silk Road was only in Europe. Also horses were only in Europe/Asia
>>68319448
>I have no response so instead of reading everything you've posted I'm just going to dismiss it out of hand and make up some nonsense as an excuse
k
enjoy your redpill
>>68319361
>Confusing three people
This is you isn't it?
>>68315302
How am I misrepresenting your retarded viewpoint in any way?
>>68319527
Just check the IDs you slavering faggot
>wake up
>some random nigger loitering outside your cabin
>>68319597
It's literally the same ID. Are you denying your own posts now you mongoloid?
>>68319527
>>68319626
>>68319626
check the IDs of the other posts that you...
nvm, I'm convinced you're just joking around. Nobody can be this genuinely stupid and make their way to /pol/. Come on
you had me going heh
>>68306708
In my experience Africans are exceptional linguists. I know a guy from the congo that can speak 6 languages. He is still childlike when it comes to most things though.
>>68319498
the reason no one wanted to trade with africans is because they were retarded cannibals who couldnt produce anything worth trading
you want to know why the silk road even existed?
it existed ONLY to trade between europe and china. all those caravaners skipped RIGHT PAST INDIA, TURKEY, and the MIDDLE EAST and went straight for western europe.
europe and china have always been superior. it's biology, fagboy
How is Kanye or 50 cent different from these guys? They all had an absurd amount of wealth and are in millions of dollars in debt.
>>68319512
Everything you've posted is garbage, contradictory at best. I pulled out an excerpt from your dumb link that has people saying differences in group IQ are caused mainly cause of environmental factors.
This clearly didn't register with you cause you preferred to start yapping about individual differences between people living in the US, and you're now waving your victory flag although you're discussing something completely difference.
No doubt you won't respond with anything intelligent to this and will probably post some tired old meme with a reaction image cause you once again find yourself trapped in a corner.
