Why do socialists believe it's the government's job to provide for you?
>Give money to government
>Don't get anything in return
Fuck my shit up.
>>68294266
bcuz i is poor and it duh gobmints fault so day should gibsmedat.
>>68294266
>daiperfags4bernie
Jesus Christ he really does have the degenerate vote.
>>68294480
im with this guy
if your going to take my money at least give me something useful back in return
>>68294266
The woman in the middle wants it badly.
>>68294266
If you're going to have a state, it might as well benefit you
>>68294266
>Why do socialists believe it's the government's job to provide for you?
Because they can't logic
The state is a tool of the people to pool their resources and work together in order to make their nation a better place.
>>68294266
because they are pathetic r selected cucks who leech off the successful.
>>68294266
I had honestly thought someone made pic related as a joke. I'm starting to believe this could actually be a real thing now.
>>68294480
>Don't get enough for your money
>fight for lower taxes.
>>68294266
Because they think they're entitled to everything. Just like stormweenies think they're entitled to dictate what people do with their own lives. Two sides of the same coin, both a symptom of people who think too highly of themselves.
>>68294753
What is public infrastructure
>>68294266
What the fuck is the point of having a state that you pay in taxes if it doesn't benefit its people somehow?
>>68294266
Yeah, why do we need police?
Fire service?
Roads? Bridges?
Public servants?
Why free healthcare? Fuck those who cant afford it. They can die in the streets.
Just like those homeless people who dont find a job, they can fucking die on the street. Why give them money and support them to find a job and then stop giving them money?
This social welfare shit isnt even working and leads to states going bankrupt LOL. Just look at europe. German government pays 70% health care and they have a balanced budget LOL so broke. But yeah theres no free stuff. Like free college in sweden. I bet the students hate the money they get from the gov. LOL
you American/british/ failed socialist state delusional degenrates should fucking learn what socialism means nowadays, not fucking communism but capitlist-socialist mix. Fucking brainwashed redneck retards.
>>68297744
MUH ROADS
>>68294266
It is not the goverment's job to provide for you.
In fact it should be the societies job to encourage you to be something of value to society. If society is worth these values (which at the current zeitgeist it isnt).
I would make little illuminaughty pyramides with creative/social people that the bottom, spergs managing the machines and someone that is both on the top. While all this people gather at a concil to discuss important matters.
What communism and socialism neglects is the the individual agencey, adverse to human nature. THe same as current capitalism which is absuing and redirecting human nature into something indesirable.
If we could combine the american spirit with european reason (not the french one or swedish, well the swedens got it right ot a certain point but then the ballless took over) we could go into the right direction.
>>68297744
So when will you be returning to Reddit?
>>68294266
Not even theh know anon
https://archive.org/stream/SocialistPhenomenon#page/n0/mode/2up
>>68294266
What is the context of this photo?
Is it fetishists who support Bernie? Or performance art meant to satire Bernie supporters?
>>68298030
fuck reddit fuck 4chan only fucktards everywhere
what does an ausTRIAN even know about this shit you re on the other site of the fucking world lol
>>68294266
Why does /pol/ not grasp the concept of a strawman?
>>68295940
>diapees
>>68298216
>being this mad
We got a live one here, fellas.
>>68297744
GIBS ME DAT
>>68298482
your country is a good example of too much socialism. You need the right mix bruh.
>>68295940
This is the line I draw. I refuse to believe this is a thing. I want to go back. Someone get me a blue pill.
>>68297744
>Police
Fuck yeah, let them kick our asses to the curb when they are around, and let the thieves kill our retarded asses when they are not.
Fuck yeah, the police is so useful.
>fire service
The state pays them? Oh you!
>roads? bridges?
Muh roads, someone will build them regardless, because people will go crazy without roads amiright?
>public servants
You literally just shit the bed here, nobody likes public 'servants' (more like worthless parasite scum)
>free healthcare that is paid for by your taxes, is for the poorest branch and that you still gotta pay for with your money if you are middle class cos its so shit
Been there, seen that, it doesn't work senpai, you are bananas if you believe in free healthcare
>democratic socialism
Yeah, well, we've had that here (pinko town nowhereland Uruguay), lived off the international context thanks to you worms buying our stuff for some 10 years; now that commodities hit rock bottom our welfare state is finally hitting rock bottom
The only thing I'll concede is that free trade is quite probably the worst trade for major countries and only helps small countries, but that's all I'll grant ya
>>68298605
My country is a perfect example of government intervention: Corruption, poverty, and a fucked up economy.
The goverment should stay out of anything that society can provide for themselves
>>68294266
What is the government made for then? Enlighten me.
Isn't it like 5 am in the Netherweeds anyways?
Have you lost control of your life?
>>68299373
> 3AM student wasting his time argueing with an argentian why demoratic socialsm had its pros
kinda
>>68299359
doing the jobs no one else wants to do
>>68299359
To protect.
>>68294480
>National Defense
>Public Infrastructure
>R&D
I want what your smoking, with a side of blissful ignorance.
>>68299622
Your country is like 80% native Dutch and 90% white. Of course your system is gonna work for several generations but it's not sustainable you fucking moron
>>68299359
National Defense, international trade and diplomacy.
>>68299359
>>68300068
Exactly. To protect from poverty is one of them
>>68300439
>I want a state to send me to war, introduce arbitrary bans and whatnot in international trade, and engage in long distance friendships and disagreements wich can send me to war. All of this in return of nothing
Geez, what a great deal
>>68300809
>>68299359
>>68299236
Which is pretty much everything. Government should only really handle national defense, courts, emergency services, and really light regulation. Everything else can be provided by the free market at a fraction of the cost.
>>68300909
Tell me exactly how many people has the state lifted out of poverty in the past 50 years
Am not joking, baiting nor even attempting to ruse you, I want a straight answer
>>68299359
To government is there to maintain stability, protecting the interest of minorities, protecting the interest of its citizens in general, protecting the values of enlightenment and that of the population.
Protecting the wealth and migitaiting harm from its citizens. Which is not what the government is doing today. It is more protecting the interests of a few, which isnt even in their interest.
>>68300909
>Exactly. To protect from poverty is one of them
No for in order to "protect from.poverty" it must violate it's goal of protecting the individual from physical harm to person property or liberty
>>68301317
Unfortunately most on /pol/ would disagree with you. Edgy fascists want a government that rivals the one Bernouts go on about.
>>68300348
If there is one thing that is unsustainable on the long term MAYBE its the $16 trillion debt that NOT a socialist but a crony capitalist/corporatist america accumulated because you MAYBE spend 800 fucking billions on military and protect the richest with low taxes so that inequality rates get worse and worse to the point where the poorest struggle to survive but are too stupid to understand and in the consequence blame the muslims and vote Trump.
>>68301266
People lift people out of poverty. The government's role is to try and stem the tide.
>what are even social safety nets
>>68301535
Tell me what are the top 10 differences between a Rand Paul supporter and a Trump supporter, I dare you to also say what areas of government Trump supporters want to exponentially increase in size too as a bonus question
>>68294266
>tfw no azn gf who will still take pictures of you even while you're pretending to be a gigantic faggot.
>>68301697
>The government's role is to try and stem the tide
And exactly how much success has the state had in ensuring that riches are not further concentrated and people further impoverished in the past 50 years?
>>68301266
Well, in my country, the socialist state post revolution lifted the country out of poverty, and put it on europe levels. In the other countries i don't know. Then there is this one example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara
Then depends on what you consider socialism
Lula da Silva lift many persons out of poverty (dispite everything)
If you consider welfare a socialist idea, then millions upon millions
>>68301317
And welfare, where does that fit in?
>>68301543
Maybe look again and take a look at our budget, most of it is being spent on social services and welfare. Now, imagine we expanded those services and added even more of them still, would that be sustainable then? No, it wouldn't. The military may be expensive, but it is one of the only legitimate functions of government. And it is the fact that we spend so much on our military that has allowed leech countries like yours to disregard your own and shower your people with gibs. It's painfully obvious you're a shill.
>>68301535
Facists is what you will get it if you try to overbend it in a certain direction, and then it will snap back.
Which in itself is just a reaction to the gernal environment. It seems like a big over simplification if i meantion "general environemnt" but that is a complex matter in itself.
>>68301325
>muh taxation is robbery
>>68300809
>>68301096
>muh bastiat
Completely required for a thread slightly about economics
>>68298064
Sowell is again and again the voice of reason. Shame that the voice is reason is often ignored or unheard.
Thats photo shopped as fuck
>>68301953
>If you consider welfare a socialist idea, then millions upon millions
Welfarism in America has only caused the destruction of the family unit and creating a class of people forever stuck on said assistance in near perpetual poverty.
You can quite literally look at the IRS income data of actual people over their lives and the only people that stay poor throughout their entire lives is mentally ill people and people stuck on welfare.
BTW capitalism since 1990 has lifted roughly 2 billion people out of objective poverty by UN standards
>>68301543
>too stupid to understand and in the consequence blame the muslims
I wanted to have a serious debate but all you have is bait
>>68301732
>He's for government mandated healthcare
>He's for the NSA
>He's for continued intervention in the Middle East
>He's for protectionist tariffs and trade policies
>he's for creation of databases to put people on, I realize it's just Muslims for now but it could change
>He's for continuing the losing drug war
Etc.
Trump supporters are even worse. I actually still support Trump because of his stance on immigration, but I can't stand most of the edgy authoritarian fascists that support him on here. It almost makes me want to vote against him.
>>68294266
Because Engels decided to publish unfinished Marx's work after he died even thought he promised himself he'd do it once he was done refuting the principle of marginal utility and the logical contradictions to the Labour Value Theory.
Which he could never do,
and we're stuck with that mentality forever, which shall bring the world down.
>>68299141
Based Uruguay. Couldn't have said it better myself, senpai.
>>68294266
The government makes a huge deal out of taking my money with the premise they are providing me services.
You say the government shouldn't provide services for me? Ok, but then can I keep my fucking money?
>>68294266
Because they don't want to be responsible for fucking up their lives and have the "gibs me dat" gene negros have.
>>68302298
>I'll just shit fling and it won't make me a colossal faggot
That image isn't describing "taxation is theft" it is pointing out when taxation becomes theft and Bastiat's predictions of when this practice becomes more widespread are being vindicated everyday in America and Europe alike.
>>68301953
>the socialist state post revolution lifted the country out of poverty, and put it on European levels
Do you have data to prove that record?
>Then depends on what you consider socialism
By the broad definition, anything that can be considered in response to socialist appeals to wider distribution of wealth, greater social justice and so on can be considered socialism
I am not a believer in 'liberalism', I call it what it is, its either socialism, or its not socialism; most things have socialism in some shape or form, not all of them are bad
>If you consider welfare a socialist idea, then millions upon millions
I want to know certain numbers, not wishy washy ideals, what for instance did Lula do to lift millions out of poverty that you can describe?
Because as far as I can tell, all he did was shower cooperatives in easy money, and benefit from the high commodity prices for almost 10 years.
>>68299141
Based U R GUAY
>>68302138
>most of it is being spent on social services and welfare
I see how well you are informed about your own country. But yeah its definitly social security and welfare that ruins your budget
>'merica
>>68294266
They're nothing more than thieves and should be treated as such. Hopefully President Trump cuts back on gibsmedats so much that they starve.
>>68294266
Governments job is to provide a saefty net so people who fall can get back on their feet and become productive members of society
>>68302791
thats discretionary spending dummy.
total spending, the military is 16%
>>68298694
Let's get the fuck out of here, mayne.
>>68301953
Welfare is some kind of tradeoff, some kind of balance. If you do not have welfare you will have higher crimerates and other destructive mechanisms since people have to live.
Esp. given the current cirucmstances, where every fucking semi intelligent cucks seems to be better of than a really intelligent person (feminized education system etc.). You got increasing education, increasing competition which is amplyfied through social pressure.
People praise education but most of the people only get education, not just for the sake of it but just to be more competetive. They dont really understand what education means, that is why so many retards are spewing elborate but meaning less shit through the media to the paint where it becomes a farce in itself. THey dont know the context because they either go along or are just plain braindead.
That is why it is ridicolous that a lot (most) western countries want 3rd wold immigration. It is clear that they do not do this for the sake of the native population. It is easy to see that nations like sweden that lived in a paradise will get utterly fucked and they just keep on doing the same retarded shit since their population is either retarded, going a long with it or just feared into silence.
If you want to see the mechanisms destroy a wealthy nation just watch sweden and look at what really caused it. Sweden is the ultimate plight of failure of humanity. Seems exaggerated but watch what will happen in the future. Sweden is a disgrace.
>>68297744
>Just like those homeless people who dont find a job, they can fucking die on the street. Why give them money and support them to find a job and then stop giving them money?
Private charities bring more of them down than taxes since private charities are direct allocation of resources while taxes have to fund bureaucracts and you directly incentive people to go corrupt.
look at it this way, you create a bureaucratic position withing the government to fight against homelessness. Paradoxically, as long as there's homelessness there's a need for that job. You're making homelessness somebody's personal business so that's a huge incentive just to get taxes funding and it's never gonna be enough
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
>why are there still homelss people?
Because I don't get enough funding
ad infinium
whereas private charities are directly funded by citizens who can't stand to see people suffering and paradoxically they could contribute more should they be left alone to donate their surplus resources to whoever the fuck they want and not to those causes a shitty bureaucrat decides are best.
>>68302791
>not looking at the title of the graph
(You)
>>68302791
>Let me just pick the one image that confirms my biases
>>68302885
No it is not, it is just one facet of it. Goverments should be limited in its reach and intrusion. Government is there to maintain stability due to provsion of acceptable lviing standards. What you say is secondary.
>>68294266
ITT: People who don't know what socialism is
>>68302591
>He's for government mandated healthcare
This is false, he has claimed otherwise, and even if he were in favor of a more government-centric healthcare, would it be so bad?
He's farthest claim afaik is that he won't let people die in the streets, which is fair, in my opinion.
>He's for the NSA
About the only thing I don't agree with him
>He's for continued intervention in the Middle East
He's not, you can watch tonight's CNN interview and he'll claim what's his most up to date view: that he will only go to the middle east if the military forces him to go there and even then only if the public is for the war
>He's for protectionism
That's alright for a country like the USA, and I agree with him about it too
That makes 2 things from which he is different to Rand Paul
>he's for creation of databases...
I haven't heard him out on that one, he just said muslims shouldn't be entering the country (as in, a temporary ban)
I know there's this thing about religious tests in the constitution of the USA, but still
>he's for the drug war
I haven't heard him utter a word about it on his rallies
He is certainly not in favor of drugs, but there's not much in the record of him talking in favor of continuing the drug war
>Trump supporters are even worse
I don't know, Trump supporters are a whole next level compared to /pol/ in its raw state of 'non-definition' which is literally a mix between a libertarian board with some stormfront shit baked in
I like it better these days
>>68298147
Retard leftists. This really shows how far they deny the redpill. Rick is the a fullfledged ancap alpha, and yet they try to pin him as some sort of socialist. Its some incredible mental gymnastics to try and make rick to fit their ideals when they're presented with proof of the opposite.
>>68302885
It's blatantly obvious that most of them don't have the ability to be productive members of society on their own.
If they're unable to provide themselves with food, water and shelter they should be left to die or forced into slavery. This isn't a fucking charity faggot.
>>68303483
>he's
I totally meant 'his'
Sorry
>>68301953
>Lula da Silva lift many persons out of poverty (dispite everything)
and they are going down hard because he ran out of money to giveaway.
also you need to consider how expensive the life is in Brazil for the average joe. and it's only getting worse unless they kick the socialists out.
>>68301953
>And welfare, where does that fit in?
nowhere, welfare does not distribute wealth, it destroys it.
>>68303093
>If you do not have welfare you will have higher crimerates
That's temporary as you execute the useless fucks and the criminals.
>>68303093
>If you do not have welfare you will have higher crimerates
The strongest correlation to crime especially violent crime is being raised by a single parent and or an abusive parent. Welfare in America has been amazingly good at destroying the family unit with increasing illegitimacy rates being a constant every year starting just after it's introduction and is especially bad amongst blacks as they were the poorest demographic when LBJ's great society launched and as such got hit the hardest.
This was never seen in American history before until the rise of this welfare state. Before this charities of various forms covered nearly all of the actual needs of people in extreme poverty that was practical to do.
Evennat the height of the great depression there wasn't widespread crime and starvation due to poverty thanks to these private non profit organizations
Currently private charities get 2/3rds more money per dollar spent to those that actually need it vs government welfare
>>68303672
Well how you would do that in detail? I m really intersted in hearing your opinion.
>>68303857
>>68303093
Also regarding the Scandinavian example their growth and success rates started dropping before the invasion of this worlders which are just compounding a problem that already existed
>>68303093
>If you do not have welfare you will have higher crimerates
Give me money or else I'll wreck your shit off
that's racketing, and criminals should be in jail, not excused and given money. Besides, a criminal is a criminal how much does German Welfare prevent Muslims from mass raping women everywhere? they do it becuase that's their mindset. Mindset you encourage by literally teaching them they're entitled to whatever the fuck they want.
>>68294266
Because government is the place where we come together to build something as a community that our self-interest prevents us from accomplishing alone.
It is government's job to provide. But not for us: it's our kids.
>>68303483
>He's farthest claim afaik is that he won't let people die in the streets, which is fair, in my opinion.
This is pretty much going to require a mandate to make it happen. There's no other way.
>Middle East
Judging from all of his comments regarding ISIS and how he's going to destroy it, reason suggests he'll have to send troops. Again, only way to do what he wants to do.
>Protectionism
I agree with him in that China is completely screwing us on trade with its currency manipulation. I don't, however, like how he suggests he'll put trade barriers up on all companies looking to relocate. It would be better just to make it worth their while to stay, with no threats.
>Databases
Hasn't been in the medi much anymore, but he has said it on several occasions and even in a few of the debates.
>Drug war
Look at his speeches at around the time of the NH primary. He talked about heroin and alluded to a continuation of the drug war.
As for /pol/, I really like this site but the stormfront bullshit is grating. You can't reason with those people even if you do have compelling evidence.
>>68303857
Well i cannot refute that but i assume there is a good explaition in the american way of thinking in itself since it works pretty well for most the european nations if i m not mistaken. No judgement involved here.
>>68303943
What details do you need? Be useless, commit crime, face execution. Eventually there will be no useless fucks that need to rely on crime.
It only relies on weak liberals growing a backbone and doing what is inevitably necessary.
>>68303520
well, if you would enjoy becoming a slave because you had bad luck once, its your choice, but I would rather not have that.
The knowledge that whatever might happen to me in my life, I will never be in danger of dying of hunger is worth for me paying a bit more taxes.
>>68303996
Well you have to take the general globalism into consideration. I agree with you that sweden is a nation of enuchs with no brains. But for the most time with the right incentive for those who want to improve something it would work out.
>>68303996
>Get economical free marke friendly reforms.
>Get Rich
>we have too much money what do we do?
>Implement Welfare state
>Get not as rich
>We need to spend money on welfare but economic liberalism made us too rich no one needs it what do we do?
>Let's share our wealth with third world people
>import too many third world country people
>shit, we can't afford welfare anymore. what should we do?
>DEPLOY EQUALITY, RAISE TAXES AND IMPORT MORE THIRD WORLD PEOPLE
>go poor
>>68294480
b-but you get infrastructure that's only $1.20 per mile to drive on
>>68304249
Europe's socialism is completely subsidized by the US tax payer. The money your countries aren't putting in their military because of our protection goes straight into your social services. If you actually had to pay for your own defense, you would not be able to afford it
>>68304229
>As for /pol/, I really like this site but the stormfront bullshit is grating
/pol/ is to be taken in extremely small doses, every once a while
I know, because I used to frequent this place back 3 years ago, and had a mental breakdown from debating people too much and getting way too hung up on politics
>>68304249
>since it works pretty well for most the european nations if i m not mistaken.
read >>68304437
You're digging your own grave.
You're rich because of the anti socialist mentality the US implanted in you during the Cold War, you got Welfare AFTER you got rich, and it's now literally destroying your wealth.
>>68304314
And how would you determine that? What is useless, what is a crime to face execution etc?
A lot of highly intelligent people are working on bullshit that is completely expandable like stock market algorithms or artificial company adivsory. Every jamals on the constuction side produces more value than those people including HR department, feminists, stock market brockers, traders, mathematicians that work in the stock market, thinktanks, paid shills etc.
>>68294266
because the free market doesn't
>>68304561
Are you fucking kidding me? THe only thing that you underline is the US military protection, nothing else. And that is soley for US interests and indirectly for its allies if the US can profit from it.
YOu produce jackshit, well you are not britain that is nothing but a educated hedgefond with a nice accent but you have no real industry and you rely on your military to make things work.
>>68294266
The New Deal and the subsequent military industrial complex in the USA made "Big Gov't" tolerable. From there, socialism isn't too big a leap.
>>68304429
>I agree with you that sweden is a nation of enuchs with no brains.
It isn't just Sweden this trend is very clear in all of the Scandinavian nations which were all you described"
>.But for the most time with the right incentive for those who want to improve something it would work out.
This work ethic of these nations started to deteriorate once the "Scandinavian socialist" policies were enacted something not seen in these nations ever before.
>>68304779
> muh wall street
You're retarded and have no idea how trading and the stock market works. Stop listening to retards like Bernie.
>>68294266
Because providing for yourself takes effort.
>>68294266
>>68305099
>the United States has no real industry
Yeah you're a complete fucking idiot.
>>68305099
>YOu produce jackshit
That was after the US took reins as the World's policeman and literally outsourced industry to everywhere else in the world
The USA used to own HALF of the world's GDP back in 1945
If the USA stopped policing the world, went back to its protectionist roots and began producing shit for itself, it would bankrupt the Chinese.
If Europe went back to its protectionist roots, it'd go back to the old concert of Europe times, with war after war with each other. UNLESS, you fags finally united and did protectionism against everyone else, but that won't happen
Face it, if America wins, Europe loses
>>68305099
I don't think you realize just how much money a country has to put in to have an effective military. The fact that the US subsidizes all of Europe's military means they have a massive surplus to work with. We pay for your military so you can afford your social programs, and we keep our hegemony intact. That's the deal.
If you actually had to pay for your military, those gibs would end real quick
As opposed to having the Jewish billionaires rip you off on an industrial scale?
>>68294480
>>68294753
>roads
>interstate
>public schools
>military
>police force, Hospitals, firefighters
>inspects the food you eat
Jesus Christ what the fuck is wrong with you bernouts
>>68305099
>YOu produce jackshit,
We are the second biggest producer of exports in the world and nearly all major medical advancements come from America which is one of the biggest reasons you fucks get to enjoy your cheap healthcare. It is a massive price discrimination in a globalized world economy
>>68305099
>You produce jackshit
What are Germans taught in school?
Surely someone else will:
>take out the trash
>clean the sewers
>clean the water
>administer the EBT cards
>clean the toilets
>flip the burgers
>raise the cattle
>teach the classes
>make the antibiotics
>literally everything else
Just not me! I DESERVE to earn as much sitting on my ass as the people that will be doing those jobs.
>>68305232
The scandinavian nations deteriorted once their politicans sold them out due to enuch/female pressure or international pressure like US or russian itnerests. Which translates to the native population by the impression of facism (left media facism).
There is no reason why swedecucks would abandon their excellent education and jobs other than outside forces or inside retardation.
Mostly their destruction works because betamales/subissime females believed in their manipulated "leaders" which were either consicous or inconsicous puppets.
Sweden just got too retarded/ too comfortable to protect itself and that is why they are like a butthole with a aim on it. Swedish intelligence is non existant.
>>68305600
Like that's not going to happen one way or another anyway.
Jews gonna Jew.
>>68304561
why would we need a strong military?
Who is gonna invide us, Russia?
>>68305939
>The scandinavian nations deteriorted once their politicans sold them out due to enuch/female pressure or international pressure like US or russian itnerests
This doesn't play out in the data.
These cancerous group's started to rise because their welfarism made it possible to rise
Book linked in link related contains both all the raw data and piecing it together in an understandable format
And again it isn't just Sweden it is all of Scandinavia.
It is basically what the taco nigger said
>>68304437
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>68305939
>Bashing Swedistan this hard.
How Merkel and those Cologne sex assaults working out ?
>>68306039
Do you seriously think this relative peace in the world is a happy accident that'll last forever?
Peace is enforced at gun point by the US's aircraft carriers. It takes 1-3 carriers to completely lock down a continent and we have 12.
Wow Bernie Shills got BTFO so hard they literally ran away.
>>68294266
It's because these people can't fend for themselves and always feel the need for a "benevolent protector", and government has become their daddy.
>>68305546
>>68305774
>>68305865
Bullshit, your military likes war and it likes to protect US interests from a imperalisic point of view. The US military still has the biggest dick.
IF you would reform your murican way of life into a more "socialist" one you would be the most effective force on earth, considering that germans for example will need a diploma for shitting on the toilet which you effectically cirucmvent.
Strentghen your intelligence (not the soup), strenghen your natural industry, strenghen your social programs (whichout any compromise to your excellence) and you still stay on top or equal to europe.
Dont do it and you will devour yourself.
>>68306328
>Peace is enforced at gun point by the US's aircraft carriers. It takes 1-3 carriers to completely lock down a continent and we have 12.
You can call it deterrence
a very sharp sword keeps another in the sheath
No need to go America fuck yeah bro.
>>68306328
As much as I hate the fact that our military has been hijacked by third column Zionist we do need to keep it up to stop these savage Europeans from killing each other once every other generation. Though it has waay to much fat due to military Keynesianism that is just throwing money at shit to "create jobs".
Seriously this 80 year peace without a massive war is something that hasn't happened in Europe in the last 500 years where over this time there was a major and massive war roughly once every 40 years
>>68303408
Fuck science.
>>68305686
If we just had this tier shit, taxes could be 10-15% likely. Maybe even shift to consumption taxes under certain incomes.
>>68306283
If you would have any insight on intelligence or politics you would know that sweden is a petri dish for failure for various reasons. I cant deny that germany is making mistakes but sweden is a shitstain.
>>68306797
What's it like being a minority in a Muslim country?
>>68306565
>a more "socialist" one you would be the most effective force on earth
Nah we'd continue to collapse and harder like what has already happened in other nations.
>Dont do it and you will devour yourself.
Said the German who is in Europe both a nation and continent currently devouring itself thanks to what the taco nigger said here>>68304437
>>68306964
>what the taco nigger said
RUDE
>>68294266
because free college
retards think a loan for a 4 year degree is too much money.. but willing go give another 10% of their paycheck FOR LIFE.
>>68306938
Wouldnt be a problem for me since i would have no troubles being respected by a big part of them.
If what you said would be correct. Just kill sweden and send all their good looking women to south germany.
>>68306938
{Merkel approves of this message}
>>68303408
>gibs are 60+% of the budget
>science is a tiny fraction at the bottom
What a depressing picture
>>68306964
>That pic
Good God, just when I thought I'd seen degeneracy.
>>68305686
> education and healthcare
Yeah, those are exactly the things which should be provided by your government. Don't you want smart and healthy citizens?
>>68306964
>tfw no waifu on my car
Why live?
>>68307301
>Wouldnt be a problem for me since i would have no troubles being respected by a big part of them.
I believe white people in Zimbabwe thought the same thing as you did.
>>68307646
>>68307540
Extremely fucking depressing. And Bernouts want to increase this and add even another program for free college tuition. The budget would literally be 85% gibs, if not more. The I would consider suicide.
>>68307646
I believe you have no idea what i can do to your mind.
>>68307540
>social security
>medicare
Damn old people.
>>68307301
>since i would have no troubles being respected by a big part of them
Except that you aren't Muslim, so you wouldn't be considered equal to them, and would have to pay things like the jizya, which is a tax for being non-muslim. That's even if they allow you to live in their country.
>>68307374
Germans really are the best goys.
>>68307588
Why not provide everything for free? Surely there are plenty of people that will want to do all the work for no compensation.
>>68307540
Is the subsidy given to pharmaceutics under "science"? If so, fuck it, keep it in the budget.
>>68307874
>I believe you have no idea what i can do to your mind.
What's that supposed to mean?
>>68294266
the one on the left is a qt
>>68307961
That subsidy would be part of medical spending. It's indirect.
>>68307779
It'd be better to spend money helping the young get educated and into gainful employment who can pay for health insurance than paying for old people to live for an extra, costly 10-15 years.
Man, God's gonna get me for saying that when I'm old.
>>68307971
That means i dont have to worry about the possiblity you suggested.
>>68294266
>That pic
That has to be a false flag.
No way in hell are those guys serious.
>>68308266
No. We already have an issue with college degrees basically being worthless, why would we make it worse? Plus, you know most of these new students going into college would decide to take easy meme degrees like gender studies and black basket weaving studies or something. Definitely not worth it. Although, the amount of money we spend on old people is unreal.
>>68294266
>>68308266
The irony is if the budget besides military was flipped on its head and gov. Let markets deal with shit, everyone would be living to 120+ for peanuts by the time you were an old man.
>>68308270
I was mostly joking, but
there's a price for being tolerant against intolerance.
>>68307940
Why not move goalposts? Surely this will help the discussion. Fucking idiot.
>>68308663
Well it is not that easy, there are many of them that what rather maintain the status quo than to pick sides and they are trying to make them pick sides.
>>68294740
Pretty sure it's a joke, these men are stating how bernie supporters want everything done for them
>>68294266
Socialists seem to forget that before they came, their nations first got rich on capitalism. Then they came and gave low iq poor people license to out breed those of us who work
>>68306328
Why dont you answere my question?
If EU countries would leave NATO, do you think Russia would invade us?
>>68308725
Who's moving goalposts? This thread is about socialism.
German education system confirmed for shit.
>>68303239
is this the fabled mexican intellectual?
you're actually 100% on the money hombre
>>68308266
Sending retard to college doesn't make them any more smart then forcing midgets to join a basketball team will make them taller.
If the overhwhelming amount of shear fail graduating from colleges all over Murica isn't enough to convince you of that i don't know what will.
Quality over quantity. The people who are smart enough to understand the value of higher education will find their own way to pay for it, the ones who have it payed for by Uncle Sam end up as gender studies and art majors who will have wasted tens of thousands in tax payer money to live on welfare for the rest of their lives.
>>68308725
this logic is what Americans actually believe. Schade.
>>68309008
Maybe. But they already have enough Muslims, why would they want more?
>>68309015
also comparing the german education system to the american one is like comparing american toilets to india's
Diaperfag reporting in, voting for Trump fuck these Bernie cucks. Say what you want about my degeneracy, but I know whos good for the country.
Come at me /pol/
>>68309127
so you would rather meme than have a discussion?
>>68309181
Exactly. The German education system is obviously shit, just like Indian toilets.
>>68294266
>Why do socialists believe it's the government's job to provide for you?
Why don't we do away with public education then? And sell all of the roads to private business. Burn all environmental protection law. Allow companies to sell poison food. Allow companies to poison the air and water. Allow companies to take slaves and child laborers?
We decided about 100 years ago that the government which governs least is not the government which governs best. The state exists to serve the people, at least to some extent.
>>68309342
Socialism = everyone equal regardless of what they do, even if they do nothing, right? So who does the work then? If I as a doctor am compensated the same as a neet, why do it? It's a valid question.
>>68309038
>mexican intellectual
so called "intelectuals" here are openly Marxists
fuck them.
I'm just an engineer who have read Marx, mises, Keynes, Hayek, Rothbard, Gully, Piketty and so on.
>>68307588
>public schools
>smart citizens
Pick one
>>68309286
how do you feel about tarebear and koneko and their army of SJWs?
>>68309357
That isn't how analogies work, friend.
The American education system obviously failed you.
>>68294863
very very badly
>>68309687
Its really sad. Look I realize what I do is weird as fuck, but who cares say what you want. I don't want some fuck politicizing something retarded. Theres no need, I am proud to be weird and based thats what makes people people. I just can't get over how everyone thinks they need protection from insults.
#MAGA
>>68309342
If the US stopped protecting Europe, Russia would definitely take some of it. It'd be like taking candy from a bunch of effeminate faggots.
Do you think Finland, Belarus and Ukraine are going to hold them off? Do you think you pathetic faggots and your nonexistent military are going to stop them? All the non-faggot German men died over 60 years ago.
>>68309645
>intellectual
>>68309905
Do you realize that the politics is a symptom?
It's really just the fact that it's an even more skewed sexual marketplace that is to blame.
It really brings out the worst in women.
>>68309382
Free market literally solves all of this, fun fact: public school was made to stop children competing with adults for menial labour jobs.
People allocate resources far more efficiently than government
>>68309909
The effiminate men operate right within you withou you paying any notice, but then again you got a canada flag ("it is the current time"). You wouldnt notice anyway.
The USA will collapse on the lack of the men that want to maintain it, intellecutally, spiritually, pragmatically. All while you cater to your bitches thinking they can steer ship. You ll allplause for all the progression while it will go down south very fast.
>>68294266
What the fuck other job than exactlh that which you describe is the government supposed to have?
What the fuck.
>>68294266
plz be shoop.
plz be fucking shoop.
>>68309909
You pissed the krout off so badly he can't even type properly anymore....>>68310497
>>68310497
Speak English you stupid faggot.
>>68307940
How is it "Free" when people pay tax?
>>68310497
>socialist complaining about lack of men to maintain things
Surely there will be real German "men" ready to step up and do all of the hard work when everything is provided to them for free. Surely these "men" will have the skills necessary to step up after living a life where everything is given to them.
>>68310935
Surely someone will pay the tax!
>>68310972
Yes...... and stop calling me Surely.
>>68308270
>>68308663
The german is trying to say hes not white.
>>68310676
>>68310921
Mad. Really mad.
>>68310972
I simply assume you dont really know. Nothing is for free.
>>68311185
I actually like what the Europeans were doing more, desu lad.
>>68311486
Guess all this work I do to pay for everyone else's "free" shit disqualifies me. I have no idea what it is like to be an effeminate German man that has been coddled by welfare his entire life.
You're right.
>>68312042
I know i am right, but not in the sense you might percieve it to be.
>>68297744
we still pay for our studies you fucking dolt. nothing is free.
>>68312633
When will you ship your attrative women to bavaria?
You have no reason to hold them, your mainstream media doesnt want them other than to represant the patriarchy.
