Can you spot the difference /pol/?
Are any other gun owners tired of morons posing with their guns in public like their toys, instead having respect for a tool like an adult?
>>68286423
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>>68286423
you do realize that people who oc their rifles are only doing it that day as a form of silent protest, that they dont carry them everywhere everday, right? you cant really be this stupid
>>68286688
despite your repeating digits, your are in fact a retard
>>68286423
Open carry is GOAT IMO and I don't even own a gun
Also, most criminals or shooter conceal their guns in some ways before committing a crime
>>68286688
>>68286423
0/10
>being butthurped about open carry
nobody cares
>>68286423
Surely, there must be tons of incidents of open carry gone wrong which you can point to to back up your point, right?
>>68286882
>doing it that day as a form of silent protest
and what does that have to do with violating the laws against brandishing firearms in public?
like these retards
>>68286979
Open carry for practical intent is retarded. It puts a target on you in the event someone does want to open fire.
Concealed carry is how you do it if you really want to use a gun for self-defense.
The idea is that everyone should be carrying, or possibly carrying so it makes a criminal do some mental algebra on whether their life is worth 20 dollars.
I get the political/cultural point of open carry rifles. Just saying if you actually wanted to be a counter shooter, a concealed carry is actually more likely to result in a positive outcome since a rifle is a 'hey look at me. and plink me first'.
>>68287124
>>68287266
>>68286979
>carrying a rifle for personal protection instead of a pistol
and you wonder these man-children give gun-owners a bad name.
>>68286423
Isn't it more scary knowing that anyone you see could be conceal carrying a pistol than seeing some single guy at a fast food place with a rifle strapped to his back? At least with the random guy with the rifle strapped to his back you know that he probably isn't going to use it randomly since he is advertising the fact that he has a gun to everyone.
>>68287268
>brandishing
bran·dish
verb
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
>>68287410
this guy is smart
10/10
would go to range with
>>68287451
lrn2 law stupid
place one finger on your rifle in public, without a credible threat present, and your brandishing it.
Anyone who brandishes deserves to go to jail.
>Sensible
>Gun owner
That's an oxymoron
>>68287438
>probably isn't going to use it randomly since he is advertising the fact that he has a gun to everyone.
that isn't logical in anyway. Maybe the conceal carry guy sees the open carry guy walk in and exercises his right to defend against a perceived armed threat.
>>68287724
Estonia i love you, dont do this to me
>>68287724
>intelligent
>estonian
look another oxymoron
>>68286688
doubledoubles should have ended this thread.
>>68287590
>place one finger
you clearly haven't read the actual laws
fuck off
Its illegal to have a loaded gun in your home here, even if Its in a safe. Why is america so based
I think everyone should carry whatever they want wherever they are in the country. I think we can draw the line at anything past an AR though. But shit, anything that keeps the dindus and camel jockeys in line is fine by me.
>muh delicate sensibilities
>>68287772
Lol yeah maybe. I bet France wished it had a bunch of "crazy gun nuts" that day they all got slaughtered
>>68286688
FPBP
>>68287772
Then the CC guy is going to be charged and convicted of murder for being a retard.
>>68287994
France is so cucked I assure you the thought never crossed their little liberal cuck minds.
>>68287590
>all 50 states and DC have the same definition of brandishing, I'm right because it's the current year
And all of your credibility is gone.
>>68286423
It seems very impractical to open carry a long gun, those fractions of a second that it will take you to take the gun from your back would cancel any advantage that a longer barrel would give you in a everyday scenario.
If you're going to open carry why wouldn't you go with a pistol?
>>68287988
I think personal explosives should not be allowed. Like grenades and pipe bombs and shit.
>>68287268
>Holding it still pointing to the ground with trigger discipline.
>BRANDISH.
Heh.
>>68288080
sorry dummy.
you dont know shit about self-defense
I perceive a imminent threat to my life.
I can legally use deadly force against
>ty based zimmerman
Someone breaking the law by moving from the carry to the ready position is an imminent deadly threat.
>>68286882
>justifying being a retard
atleast if a mass shooting happens you'll be the first to be shot for clearing carrying your weapon and maybe you wont detract from the majority who arent retarded enough to feed into what the left wants you to be
why do other countries care about america's gun laws? Let them buy and carry weapons. they are the ones getting shot.
>>68287419
The 2nd amendment is not about personal protection
>>68288187
looks like you posted nothing to counter my factual point.
RIP your credibility
>>68287843
proxymoron I believe is the term.
>>68288390
sure it is
100%
do tell what do you think its for?
becuz the SCOTUS diasgree with your dumb ass.
>Heller v DC
>>68286423
Beards are the new fedora.
>>68288361
>nobody ever got shot in Norway
>>68287590
>place one finger on your rifle in public, without a credible threat present, and your brandishing it.
thats wrong, but irrelevant beacuse there is no lack of triggeer discipline that pic
i can't spot the difference, no. does a rifle scare you that much? bitchboy.
I don't understand why people think concealed carry will protect them. If they get the drop on you, you're fucked. If someone mugs you and you reach for your wallet and they see your gun, they're shooting you immediately. I;d fucking hate to have a gun on me in that scenario.
>>68288610
i thought it was open-carry rifle myself tbhfam
>>68288561
>do tell what do you think its for?
It is about the people being military ready
>becuz the SCOTUS diasgree with your dumb ass.
The SCOTUS doesn't give a shit about the constitution
what the fuck can an assault rifle defend you from that a concealed handgun couldn't???
fucking americans man...
what if a nigger with baggy jeans, gang tats, and a teardrop tat under his eye was walking around with that assault rifle how would you feel?
>>68287451
Just, stop, we will never overcome their liberal brainwashing.
>>68286688
As part of a well REGULATED militia
>>68288842
Open Carry isn't about actually using it. It's about desensitizing people to seeing guns.
>>68286423
guy on right would be shot first while man on left is sighting in on perp.
>>68288842
Nobody does this everyday, people do it to protest or whatever.
I wouldn't do it but it is their right to do so if the law allows it.
>>68288693
u think your a rifle is a penis extension, how silly, us adults carry pistols for protection, not to be a fucking autist in public.
>>68288682
> there is no lack of triggeer discipline that pic
sounds like somebody doesnt know the law very well. lol
>(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.42.htm#42.01
lololololol
>>68288347
is english not your first language or is your head just stuck so far in your ass that you are incapable on reading comprehension? people who oc their rifles are doing so in an organized protest. A gun rights group will decide to all go to a starbucks or w/e with their rifles and just drink a cup of coffee for an hour or so. Its to redpill the public who would otherwise think that this is illegal.
>>68286688
/k/ in a nutshell.
>>68288842
>what the fuck can an assault rifle defend you from that a concealed handgun couldn't???
Then why dont soldiers carry handguns instead of riffles?
>>68288804
>It is about the people being military ready
wrong. its about personal protection
>defense of the commons
>US v Miller
>saying the court that is designated by constitution to interpret it doesn't care about it.
go back to school, child.
>>68287983
Because we made the right to carry a right from the start of our country.
>>68286423
The mags aren't loaded though, right?
>>68289156
See you tomorrow reddit.
>>68288302
Well, those aren't firearms, soo... Good to go on that one.
>>68289343
>a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state
>>68288994
>doesn't understand what 'well-regulated' meant back then
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
Now, I know this is going to be hard with your liberal pea-brain, but let's think about this for just a moment, shall we?
The ENTIRE PURPOSE of the 2nd amendment is to ensure that the people have the ability to VIOLENTLY overthrow a potentially tyrannical government. Why, then, would there be a clause allowing for that very same tyrannical government to control who actually gets access to firearms? That makes no sense whatsoever. It's putting the fox in charge of the hen house 101.
Just use your fucking brain, for once. Fuck.
>>68287410
And they have the right to choose to be that target. Tactically speaking you're correct. Legally you are not.
>>68289332
Because they are in combat zones. Soldiers are trained to assault, its not for defensive purposes only.
Only a fucking retard would use a high-powered caliber in a crowded area for personal protection.
>>68286423
Doesn't bother me, but I would never open carry. I would assume if someone were going to shoot up the place I'm at, I'd be the first target, and they'd (probably) have the element of surprise.
When has an open carrier ever been the first person shot in a mass shooting? Oh, never? OK then,
>>68288994
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
>>68289433
Generally, I think the ones really skirting the line remove the firing pins or something critical to the firing mechanism so that if there's ever confusion, they say it was physically impossible for it to be fired without re-installing it.
>>68289505
UK gets it, of course he would.
>>68286423
Why is the stock extended
Where are his Crocs
>>68289540
>area for personal protection.
maybe they are not carrying for personal protection fucktard
>>68288994
Anti gun cuck, why don't you go to Venezuela or any South American shithole so that you see the importance of your 2nd amendment?
>>68289483
I guess you failed English too
In what way is it even grammatically possible for that clause to limit the following clause?
Or are you so illiterate that you see militia in the sentence and then thought you can make up any meaning you want for that word?
>>68288994
It's the responsibility of the people to regulate themselves. Government regulation of the people is tyranny.
>>68289652
That really isn't bad then
>>68288994
U CANT READ ENGLISH
>>68289505
>legally, you're wrong
I made no legal argument against people doing open carry. Do what you want. My only point was the tactical disadvantage of it.
>>68289433
why wouldn't they be?
>>68286423
Open carry is important too, retard. If you continue to act as if you're not supposed to do it, then it eventually becomes so out of the ordinary that you truly aren't allowed to do it at all.
Your rights atrophy when left unused, just like a muscle.
>>68289746
i never said it limited it
>>68286423
OCing a rifle is the fedora of the gun world.
Just like those people that circlejerk over having an EDC loadout like some wannabe civilian operator. Only time I've ever OC'd a gun was that it was easier to just sling it rather than carry around a gun case to where I was shooting.
>>68289684
>maybe they are not carrying for personal protection
and that's why there are autistic children playing with big boy toys.
and your a retard for defending them
>>68287724
>when an australian forgets to rotate his pics 180 degrees on a northern hemisphere proxy
someone is going to fail his shitposting 201 exam
>>68289834
Fair enough.
>>68289928
and that's why you don't have an argument
2nd amendment is for protection of persons from armed threats
>>68286688
>SHALL NOT BE INFRENGED
You made a spelling error, you argument is invalid.
I don't care what you faggots think.
Open Carry is great for those times when you accidentally print, expose your weapon, or have to carry it from point a to point b. Usually from home to car, and car to destination.
Keeps the retards from phoning the cops and starting a bunch of shit with you. Sure, they still can, but with open carry you can't get charged with brandishing.
>>68286423
Open carry is a foolish defensive tactic, even (or especially) as a civilian in a war zone. In normal life, you have identified yourself as a primary threat (read: first target) if a criminal happens to enter the same 7-11 as you. In a civil strife environment, you are going to be taken out by a sniper on your way to trade canned food for penicillin.
CCW isn't just best way to arm yourself in virtually every non-uniformed situation.
>>68290271
>Sure, they still can, but with open carry you can't get charged with brandishing.
you most certainly can.
You carry in your hands and not slung.
YOU ARE BRANDISHING
read the law
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.42.htm#42.01
>>68290435
Not in my state though
>>68290435
Yeah. That's nice, cutie pie.
But only a retard is going to go around carrying a gun in their hands like a moron. I'm discussing carrying it like a responsible person, and still getting some Soccer Mom screaming at 911 over you. Okay, hon? Now shoo.
>>68287268
He's holding the gun safely and following the NRA's best practices. I don't see a problem.
>>68290627
I personally don't like it nor would I do it, but these people never hurt anyone so I don't give a shit.
It hurts people's feelings.
>>68290627
when on your on the range.
>>68290614
>only a retard is going to go around carrying a gun in their hands like a moron
like the hundreds that did it in Texas wile sperging out for a OC protest?
go read a book dummy
Your carrying a gun in your hand outside, and your not at a range, you not a responsible person.
case closed aspie
>>68287724
Thanks doc
>>68290857
> these people never hurt anyone so I don't give a shit.
>nobody who ever carried a loaded gun in public killed anyone.
amazing how pants on head stupid you are.
>>68290885
Don't bother. People with their mentality would walk around with a 20 lb Zweihander in an era when the smallsword was the primary carry weapon just because it's their right to do so.
>>68286688
fbpb
>>68291059
I thought we were talking about the protest things people do while OCing.
At least I was specifically, of course negligent discharges happen it happens when people CC too.
>>68286423
I smell a libtard
>>68291361
>I thought we were talking about the protest things people do while OCing.
well riddle me this
how do you tell the difference between an OC protestor carrying a rifle in hand and a person about to shoot up the place carrying a rifle in hand?
>>68291440
no. im an intelligent adult that votes conservative.
OC protestors are the pink haird SJW's of gun rights
you people are cancer.
Im an adult that respects weaponry as a tool.
Your a fucking child that likes to play with weaponry and wear around neck like jewelry..
>>68286423
No. Look, I think OC people are retarded, when I'm with my gun friends we laugh about them, but fuck you. We cannot and will not give an inch. Open Carry is to the Second Amendment what Larry Flint is to the First: you might not like it, you might not invite it into your house, but goddamn if its not a good canary in the coal mine.
>>68291585
if someone gets shot it's their own damn fault.
>>68291059
>posting the face of a false flag
You're going to have to try harder than that.
>>68291754
you're a liberal in disguise trying to destroy the second amendment.
>>68291585
One guy is firing into a crowd and the other isn't.
>how do I stop gun violence
You don't. You react to gun violence.
>>68291974
actually OC protestors and you are liberal in disguise trying to discredit all gunowners
>>>/reddit/
faggot
>>68291585
I dunno, I'm not really on any side with this issue. Just pointing out these people have never hurt anyone where I live anyway.
I would also imagine the difference being gunfire.
>>68290885
I would just like to point out you're dead wrong. I carried a .22 from my house to my storage space in the open, in my hands, in New York, where the law is truly fucked. The safe act I believe it's called. Someone did call a sheriff, I explained what I was doing and he checked to make sure that was really what I was doing, and left. No brandishing charge because I was using my hands. I'm not sure that you are aware of how stupid that sounds.
>>68286423
"sensible gun owner" is a skinny jean wearing hipster with a meme beard and meme flannel and a meme hat and the "absolute retard" is wearing clothing allowing him for good tactical mobility and has a kickass gun?
>>68289156
>He brought up the penis thing
Without fail, every time
>>68286688
A bullet will eventually infringe your right to bear arms and it doesn't care about the constitution. Therefore bullets should be banned.
>>68292229
>Man on the left
>Skinny
I didn't know Canada had the same obesity problems as us
>>68292134
>I have to wait until somebody shoots me to determine a threat
sounds like someone who doesn't know shit about self-defense.
dont you have a BLM protest to be at?
>>68292220
> I carried a .22 from my house to my storage space in the open, in my hands
what part about public don't you understand retard?
you step off you property like that, guaranteed you'd be in jail
>>68292296
Minneapolis Star Tribune Co. v. Commissioner
>>68292381
They've committed no crime until they've started shooting people and you'll never be able to prove they were going to shoot people if you kill them first. That's how self-defense works.
After they've already opened fire, go ahead. Just try not to be the first target.
>>68291585
How do you tell the difference between a police officer and a crazed lunatic with a gun and a rented costume?
This is why we have to disarm all the cops, to make sure the .0001% of criminals don't do badwrong.
t. Liberal Logic
Couldn't someone just grab it from behind him, isn't that just the worst fucking spot if all the? It'd across his back, his blind spot.
>>68286423
I had a discussion with a couple of them last night out at a coffee shop. They were both open carrying and I asked then why you would rather open carry in a state like Arizona where you could legally conceal without a permit. The only good excuse they could give was that they weren't 21 yet so they technically couldn't under the law.
The rest of the garbage they spouted was exactly what you'd expect. "I like the way people look at then, I like being intimidating, it make me feel safer, it's quicker reaction to get to it, and the guy claimed even if he could legally conceal he wouldn't. I asked that you don't think that having an exposed weapon would make you more at risk of injury or death of a situation arose? He claimed no because seeing the weapon would deter it from even beginning. I said that's dumb, because if i walked into a bank with the intent of robbing it, and saw someone with a gun, he'd be my first target to disarm and if need be eliminate. A gun or weapon in general imo is a tool to be used and seen only when the situation arises, not to be openly flaunted like a child's toy to make you feel more manly and intimidating. I really hate to use the argument for fear of being called a shill but these guys were legit making their penises feel bigger in public and openly admitted it when asked.
Mind you I'm not anti gun by any means. I conceal carry (with a permit) a g19 everywhere I go, and have more guns and ammo than I can even count, but guys like these make us normal guys look bad because they want to feel intimidating in public. I don't doubt they are completely responsible with their handling of them, I'm not saying that, just that their attitude was wrong.
>>68286688
WELL REGULATED MILITIA
this is the part where you tell me how that part should be interpreted, but yours should be taken at face value.
>>68286423
We need to defend the open carriers because we are beibg attacked and defense does not mean stop when reasonable. Defense means stop once your enemy is knocked out and you have bought buffer space.
>>68286423
>be visibly carrying assault rifle
>bank you're in starts to get robbed
>robbers notice giant ar-15 slung from your waist
>shoot you right off the bat
Or
>have sensible concealed carry
>lower caliber so bullet doesn't exit body and causes massive hemorrhaging
>bank you're in gets robbed
>act like you're complying
>pull out hidden pistol in robbers moment of carelessness
>waste a few of them and serve as a distraction for authorities to engage robbers
>>68292637
>They've committed no crime
wrong. they committed the crime the second they moved that rifle off there shoulder in public.
>That's how self-defense works.
No. your fucking stupid.
I can use deadly force at any point I PERCEIVE a deadly threat to myself or others.
Thats the law kid. Learn it.
I dont have to wait:
>until they point
>until they shoot
>until they kill
The second he touches that rifle in public, its good to go legally, because he threatened everyone in the room.
Thats what my 2nd amendment right to self-defense means.
>>68292829
Actually, its the part where we tell you to take both at face value, and you demonstrate your poor grasp of language.
>>68292829
Nah, this is where we bring up 10 U.S. Code § 311 and then snicker when you stumble into a 14th Amendment argument.
>>68286423
Guy on the right is simply kicking back against leftist faggotry where people made such a big deal out of open carry, he opted to go all-in on the weapon to trigger SJW's into hissy fits.
If faggots didn't make such a big deal out of the whole gun issue, there wouldn't be guys like the one on the right who want to make you cringe at what they walk around with. What leftists haven't realized is that for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction, and this is what happens.
>>68288561
It's for the people to regulate government incase it gets too tyrannical.
>>68292754
Hey fellow AZbro, the biggest problem is all the people who've moved here.
I always talk to these people too, almost all of them every time are not from here.
It's annoying.
>>68293074
>I can shoot black people for being bigger than me
>I perceived a fatal threat
Good luck proving that. You're approaching sovereign citizen tier interpretation and it's going to get you killed or raped in prison.
>>68292659
>How do you tell the difference between a police officer and a crazed lunatic with a gun and a rented costume?
because a badge an uniform is harder to fake then ordinary clothing and no badge.
also, your bullshit scenario is extremely unlikly, whereas on the other hand people shoot up places with rifles every other week.
open carry is full fucking retard
>>68293074
In every state in the union you're going to have to get a DA to agree that your perception was reasonable.
>>68293269
>Good luck proving that.
>>68293343
>guy walks into MacDonalds with loaded rifle in hand
Im gonna guess 99/100 DA's will side with me. :D
>>68293311
>a badge and a uniform are harder to fake
They're really not. In moments of distress, people aren't looking at details. And even then, by the time they figure out the lie, it's too late. Further still, your average person isn't intimately familiar with police regalia. And even further, there are plain clothes officers.
>>68291780
lol fuck off cum nigger
>>68293427
>implying Zimmerman wasn't having his head slammed against the ground
>implying the biggest issue with this case wasn't that Florida doesn't have an exception for aggressor/combatants/escalation/etc
>implying that its unlawful to walk around your neighborhood and ask people questions
open carry is the bright hair day of the right
>>68293427
He was beaten bloody before he ever fired a shot.
Meanwhile you're saying shoot people that may pose a threat like some small skittish child.
If someone tries to take your gun, you can shoot them. That's what cops do and why they are frequently found innocent of wrong doing.
>>68293311
Rifles are almost never used in crimes to include rage shootings. Almost all criminal use of firearms concerns illegally obtained cheap 9mm pistols.
>>68293607
This is true.
Police have raided cartel stash houses here with loads of fake leo stuff.
>>68293548
That guess is going to cost you, especially in a state where open carry is lawful. Unless he's pointing you're going to have a tough time making that pitch if you don't have a badge.
>>68287724
I don't know why but suddenly flipping it upside down now gives me a /massive/ boner.
>>68293607
and nothing you said explains why someone should just look at a guy carrying a rifle in hand in a public place and be like
>thats just fine
sounds like the exact kind of think carry conceal was invented for.
>>68286953
No your a retard!! In you're face!!
>>68293261
I was born and raised here myself.
One was Californian, claiming it's super great to have all these freedoms he didn't before, and the other guy was from Texas. The one from Texas was the douche, the other seemed ok.
California bro was just excited that you could actually be in possession of a firearm without being a potential felon, and being under 21 he couldn't legally conceal but will when allowed. He seemed pretty based and would probably shoot with.
Texas dude was the one spitting all the nonsense about being intimidating in public and that he liked the way others looked at him. On a side note he was like 5'6"tall and probably 275lbs.
>>68293903
I was addressing the fallacious assertion that people cannot disguise themselves as police. Are you implying cop costumes are hard to make/steal? Because you'd have to be retarded to think that.
>>68286423
Texas fag with CHL. I think homos like "Absolute Retard" do more harm than good for the cause.
>>68293697
>>68293774
>Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.
>reasonably believes
>immediate use of force
its like you ignore the law.
>>68294116
The fallacious assertion is that I have to wait until a person shoots to consider it a reasonable threat.
>>68294211
So do you think you should be allowed to shoot a guy, no words spoken, for walking into a McD's with a machete?
>>68289952
>Give people the right to bear arms to overthrow an oppressive and tyrannical government should one arise
>If it's not for personal protection, you don't need one
Ok, retard.
>>68294347
So you're denying or agreeing that cop costumes are easy to acquire?
>>68294347
...but you do. You have to wait until they do something threatening. The idea that just having a gun you find scary is threatening enough to kill them is full retard, especially given than you've already demonstrated an acceptance of some firearms but not others. Your differentiation between safe and dangerous is largely arbitrary.
>>68294392
if they are in lunging distance.
yes. 100%
>>68294468
I agree its completely irrelevant.
You must also believe that the police should have asked Tamir Rice if his gun was real before defending themselves.
>>68294392
Depends a lot on body language. If he stormed in aggressively, moving quickly towards someone, machete held in a manner that made me think he was about to swing, then cocked the machete back as he got within striking distance...
>>68294510
>our differentiation between safe and dangerous is largely arbitrary
which is why its dictated by how the common man would feel in a situation
>>68288320
Nothing in the picture shows him even coming close to the ready position. You shoot him and you're going to jail.
>>68294211
You might have an argument if open carry is unlawful in your state. If open carry is lawful, best case scenario you're going to get your shit pushed in.
>>68292353
I didn't say he was skinny I said he was wearing skinny jeans
>>68294510
>Your differentiation between safe and dangerous is largely arbitrary.
actually yours is.
Your clearly ignorant of the law. Nowhere is it required for someone to shoot first before I can defend self. NOWHERE.
Walking in a public place brandishing a loaded rifle is more than enough to be considered reasonable self-defense.
>>68294712
Except it isn't dictated by that, at all. It's dictated by whats ACTUALLY a threatening action.
>>68290885
I'm not even talking about carrying a gun in the hand. My point was clearly listed in my post.
Now stop being such an adorable little retard.
>>68294973
>Except it isn't dictated by that, at all
yes, actually, it is
>>68294899
>While brandishing
You mean, like, a threatening action? Like the kind I specifically mentioned? Ok, cool.
*You're
>>68294806
open carry laws doesn't make brandishing legal.
you stupid logic is like saying
>im licensed to drive
>so i can drive on the sidewalk.
>>68289491
sweet jesus that body
>>68294689
>local groundskeeper contractor shot dead by CCW owner in misunderstanding involving Shrub at McDonald's
>>68294672
Nah, I don't have to agree to shit. You're the one talking out your ass and have to be harangued for 2 posts to accept you said something stupid. But whatever. Go shoot some guy with a shoulder slung rifle on his way home from the shooting range because you were afraid for your life. Let the courts decide.
>>68295200
>local groundskeeper contractor shot dead by CCW owner in misunderstanding involving Shrub at McDonald's
happens all the time. Right?
>>68295077
>>68295077
>>68294973
and the defender's perception of that threatening action is what matters in court.
brandishing = threatening
>>68294026
lmao
Yeah born and raised here too. Literally everything you said is verbatim what I've dealt with.
I had a guy from Alberta going full retard the other day about AZ fun laws, this state is finished, the growth is disgusting desu.
>>68286423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YVt8NcpKcU
>>68294899
If he isn't in ready he isn't brandishing. If he isn't brandishing you're going to jail. Even if you beat the rap, the ride and the retainer is going to run into the tens of thousands.
>>68295112
You only have two the the three acts required for brandishing.
>>68295200
>Go shoot some guy with a shoulder slung rifle
How many posts do you need to read to understand nobody argument for that.
BRANDISHING a weapon is a threat and 1005 legal to defend against.
I guess you too fucking illiterate to understand sling-carry and brandishing.
Which is why you keep coming back to your lame strawman argument about.
>DUUUR u cant shoot some with a slung weapon
I guess you just have severe comprehension issues, try and keep up with the conversation, retard.
>>68286423
open carry should be as simple as having the firearm holstered, and otherwise it's brandishing a firearm and subject to already existing laws
Really, this entire "hurr open carry is stoopid" crap stinks to high heaven of shills trying to divide gun owners into two camps they can pit against each other and manipulate to force through gun control.
>Hey, you don't think open carry is a good idea, so why not some other sensible gun control like a license and firearm registration too?
foot-in-the-door sales technique.
It's always unstable crazies that go on the shooting sprees.
But has one of these open/conceal carry gun enthusiasts ever caused a massacre? Going after these guys seems kind of pointless when they have a better crazed killer/population ratio than "religion of peace" muslims.
>>68286953
Fuck off commie retard.
>>68295288
Generally people aren't bloodthirsty psychopaths trying to kill people while pretending they're shielded by the law. Most people won't pre-emptively shoot someone because they don't want to explain why they shot someone that had no ill intent.
>>68286423
is that ben al-habibi on the left
>jennifer garner commercials on while i type
>>68295396
>>68295686
>If he isn't in ready he isn't brandishing
the second he goes to the ready or alert position he is a legit threat.
which is what 80% of OC idiots do when in public.
see pic related
>mfw OP embarrassed half of /pol/ in this thread single-handedly
gun nuts really are retarded
>>68296037
gun nuts aren't
open carry fags certainly are though
>>68296030
I'm telling you, if that barrel is under 45 degrees and isn't actively coming up in a swift and threatening manner you're going to be part of the DA's reelection bid. Think what you want, its your life, but I hope you're ready to drop the price of a new car on a retainer.
>>68295862
>that had no ill intent.
oh so people have to have ESP to use self-defense
lets recap how self-defense works in your fantasy world.
>you must read their mind
>you must wait until you shot
>you must ask them if the gun they are pointing at you is real
too bad the law doesn't agree with you braindead theories on self-defense.
>>68288701
What is first line of defense situational awareness
>>68296221
>'m telling you, if that barrel is under 45 degrees
and you just pulled that out of your ass.
DA follow the law. Moving the rifle off you shoulder and into hands is all the law requires.
And with all the mass shooting reported to the public, Im pretty sure if a DA wants to get re-elected they WOULDNT prosecute a person acting in reasonable self-defense against a rifle wielding maniac. And thats exactly how the jury will feel too.
Its like you live in some alternate dimension.
>>68287590
if that is the law, it is a poor defense of rule of law
Does anyone actually want to live in the wild west?
>>68296247
This is why some places have defensive display laws, to either verbally tell them or ready your firearm if you feel under threat.
>>68287724
And you're a regular moron.
>>68296516
Maybe thats how a jury will feel. How many tens of thousands of dollars are you willing to bet on it, though?
>>68286688
Anti-Gunners BTFO
>>68289300
Well /k/ has been over taken by Redditors who own a Mosin and thats it so no
>>68296626
lets review this pic again for the visually impaired
>>68296030
Where is hand at?
Where is the credible threat he's reacting to?
Because reasonable people see a lunatic about to spray the place.
I'm guessing the guy on the left has a concealed pistol
Aren't pistols FAR more likely to be used in ANY form of crime than a rifle??
>>68296703
Better to be judged by 12 , then carried by 6.
>>68296814
>Aren't pistols FAR more likely to be used in ANY form of crime than a rifle??
and how does apply to who is a reasonable gun owner?
Those fags that parade around with their rifles are massive faggots.
If you want to conceal carry or wear your pistol on your hip that's fine by me (Arizona here), but 99.9% of people who do this shit with their rifles are massively moronic tools.
>>68296805
>Because reasonable people see a lunatic about to spray the place.
>>68296613
Fuck yeah. Imagine if the best gunslinger around was some potpan-sexual gender-gatorade trans-nigo-beaner?
>excuse me did you just call me "he"?
>see you at high noon you racist misogynist
>>68296548
>if that is the law,
It's not. The law actually says there needs to be reasonable belief that they're being aggressive with the gun (or carelessly handling it). He's a falseflagger trying to extend the laws interpretation to "Anyone who so much as puts a finger on a gun in public means I can reasonably fear for my life and shoot them." when in reality if someone was open carrying in a crowded public area and someone else asked him about his gun, and then the gun owner reached for his while engaging in conversation with the person asking about it in a manner to show off the gun only to be shot by the very stupid anon trolling this thread, no lawyer would be able to convince any DA or court that he had reasonable cause to fear for his life, and he'd end up in jail for manslaughter, not to mention charged for needlessly endangering the public.
"It has room for subjective interpretation" does not under any circumstance mean "I can be a cunt, quote this, and then justify any extremely unreasonable response."
>>68297116
>he dindu nuffin
>just a gentle giant
>unarmed
>>>/reddit/
>>68289300
>>68289300
/k/ hates /pol/, because /pol/ is an embarrassment to /k/ and probably does more harm to the gun rights than good.
>Have a hammer attached to my pants leg
>Nobody complains
>Have a gun over my shoulder
>OMG MY GAWD YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORAN WHY DONT YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR YOUR TOOLS??????????????
>>68286688
ultron kek
>>68297116
*except when owned by the government.
>>68297153
Funny how the whole "if I see a gun I'm scared so I can kill someone" meme says pretty much everything that needs to be said about the mindset of antigunners. They don't trust themselves, why should they trust anyone else?
>>68297319
/k/ isnt one person pham
>>68296805
I don't see them as a threat, just annoying.
If you do not have the situational awareness to gauge a threat you shouldn't be carrying.
I don't agree with doing this but, again when do these people hurt anything but feelings?
>>68286423
So where do you propose he hides his rifle? In the magic pocket dimension that inhabits his pants? What do you even care if someone open carries their rifle? Are you terrified of a firearm just because you can see it? What a fucking pussy.
>>68286882
550 cord wrapped knives are a meme. Just carry string if you need it.
>>68297267
touching or holding a firearm is not a threat
threatening or aiming at someone with it is a threat
>>68297267
You're just on the internet to argue, and have no idea what you're defending/attacking do you?
>>68296997
>and how does apply to who is a reasonable gun owner?
Statistics prove the guy on the right more than likely IS a reasonable gun owner
Its just the big scary looking gun that concerns you, the guy on the left, statistically speaking, is more far likely to use his pistol to commit a crime
>>68297153
> reasonable belief that they're being aggressive with the gun (or carelessly handling it)
exactly like these people are doing
>gun owner reached for his gun
>would be able to convince any DA or court that he had reasonable cause to fear for his life
its like your making my case for me.
Looks like your the person with a problem with armed self-defense.
Lets break it down again.
Carrying a weapon is for me to defend myself against armed threats.
Carrying a weapon IS NOT for taking pictures with my friends and mishandling firearms in public.
You clearly never went to range in your life, you dont so much as touch a loaded weapon when a ceasefire is called.
let alone in the middle of a fucking restaurant.
>>68286882
Nice, keeping your clips clean is always important
>>68297619
>So where do you propose he hides his rifle?
in his fucking house.
>>68297618
>f you do not have the situational awareness to gauge a threat you shouldn't be carrying.
and this is why you should not be allowed to carry.
since a person brandishing a weapon IS a threat that you cant seem to recognize.
>touching or holding a firearm is not a threat
brandishing is. and that's exactly what happens when you hold a rifle in a public place that is not a range or a gun store.
Sorry charlie, the law isnt context deaf like you seem to be.
While I personally think OC with a long gun in normal society is borderline retarded, I never go innawoods without at least a 10/22 slung over the shoulder. More often than not I have my .45-70 levergun in case I have to dispatch any Communist pigs that take issue with muh freedoms.
Porcine Ruskies are a bigger threat down here in the land of sunshine and methamphetamine that is the Great State of Florida.
>>68298231
since when is OC classified as brandishing a weapon? if they're exercising proper gun safety and simply have it on them in a public place. you tell him to check the law when you clearly dont know the 2nd amendment
>>68297795
Why do you hate the right to self-defense?
I don't have to place my self in danger of being shot just to protect myself from the threat of being shot.
You argument is
>carrying is for fun and games
>and not for defending yourself
Why should I hesitate to defend my life because some people think that have a right to play with guns in public like children?
>>68298231
>in his fucking house.
So you're a simpering coward that thinks open carried rifles are somehow retarded but concealed carry handguns aren't? I'm glad we've established that. Don't give perpetually terrified gun grabbers the gratification of pretending that open carrying a rifle is somehow an inherently negative activity.
It's just a weapon. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not going to spontaneously murder babies or blow your kneecaps off just because you can see it. Being able to see a weapon does not make it more threatening. Weapons that you can't see are just as much of a threat to your well-being, maybe even more so since you're not necessarily aware of them.
>>68298606
>OC classified as brandishing a weapon?
the exact second your hand touches the grip
>>68289540
>high-powered caliber
>5.56x45
spotted the librul
>>68298740
Your the simpering coward who wants to INFRINGE on MY right to use self-defense against an armed threat.
Shouldnt you be marching with a million moms right now?
>>68298776
so if they're holding on the grip, they are classified as a threat and you can legally shoot him in self defense?
>>68298231
>Sorry charlie, the law isnt context deaf like you seem to be
>brandishing is. and that's exactly what happens when you hold a rifle in a public place
It is, in fact, you who are context deaf
>in his fucking house, a range, or a gun store
city-slicking hoplophobe confirmed
Maybe, just maybe, read context beyond "guy carrying openly"
>>68298842
>doesnt understand .223 ballistics
spotted the nogunz
>>68298931
damn right
>>68286423
Kek is that John Cena?
>>68299030
lol have fun proving that to a DA and getting a jury to believe that people's lives were in danger
>>68298977
Your the fucking commie trash that wants to infringe on my right to self-defense against a person brandishing a loaded weapon around a building loaded with people.
It makes me sick that people like you are so opposed to the right to defend oneself.
>>68298929
Nigger what the fuck are you even talking about now? Oh, I get it, I disagreed with something you said so I absolutely MUST be against gun rights, right? You reflect poorly on all gun owners and all gun rights advocates by being as much of a stupid fuck as you are.
Consider taking one of your guns, placing the barrel against your head, and pulling the trigger.
>>68299140
>maniac walked with gun in hand
>kill maniac
>DA gives me medal
I dont think you live in the real world.
Is open-carrying a pistol in a holster acceptable?
>>68299312
>implying that anyone who walks in OC a gun is a maniac
>>68299266
> I absolutely MUST be against gun rights, right?
Your the one saying I should go to jail unless I wait until a maniac starts shooting up the place.
Doesn't sound like you support self-defense at all.
>>68289540
Holy fuck, I can't believe ignorant retards like you exist.
>>68299409
>Your the one saying I should go to jail unless I wait until a maniac starts shooting up the place.
I never said any such thing and you're a delusional fucking crazy person.
>>68299407
>implying OC allows you to brandish a firearm.
>>68289433
Why would you have an empty weapon?
Although if it's a protest it would make sense for it to be unloaded.
>>68299423
germany doesn have gun rights or a real army
ur opinion is irrelevant.
>>68289952
They are carrying it to intimidate the government and it is their right to do so.
And many are threatening use the guns against the government if the elections this year are rigged and it is their right to do so.
You mad?
>>68299482
OC =/= brandishing
>>68299312
You don't obviously.
Everything you're talking about is a huge gray area that is vastly different everywhere.
You can't just kill someone for holding a gun.
>>68299556
Actually we do have some gun rights and I'm a gun owner.
Fuck off, liberal cunt.
>>68286423
>>68299464
you said it when you think I have no reason to believe that a person brandishing a firearm isnt about to shoot up the place.
My right to defend myself is dependent on asking the gunman
>hey are you going to shoot everyone.
You clearly apply an impossible standard to self-defense saying I have to wait until shot at to return fire.
>>68286423
I've seen your ilk on /k/ all too often. Fuck off and die.
>>68299641
>"if someone else is holding a gun other than me, they must be a threat!"
then he has the nerve to call the german guy's opinion irrelevant kek
Concealed carry is cool, open carry is for autismos
>>68299919
>you said it when you think I have no reason to believe that a person brandishing a firearm isnt about to shoot up the place.
A fucking rifle hanging from a sling is not being "brandished" you fucking psychopath.
>>68299957
>open carry is for autismos
It's pretty much a fashion statement.
