Fucking Shillary is doing it now
Hillary is not a progressive...
>>68283147
Kek, proof that computer science is dead.
Only real STEM fields left are Engineering and Physical Sciences.
>>68283147
>computer science
LMAO
>>68283147
Shillary fell for the STEM meme...
>>68283147
they think that saying that means anyone who disagrees with them is backward and primitive
>>68283147
Why?
Does she even know what Computer Science is?
I see absolutely zero reason to teach every student about algorithmic complexity.
>>68283147
>2016
>not using current year meme
Shiggy
>>68284446
holy fucking shit
>>68283147
and yet as a white male I can't get accepted to the local community college because they just poured millions into getting dindus in
>>68284587
Fucker got me too, leaf
>not citing the current year to destroy your opponent in a debate
>>68284446
>not using current year meme
Current year is sooo last year.
The last thing we need is more people with half a clue writing shitty un-maintainable and un-verifiable code.
While it is true that computer literacy is a very important skill and is becoming a baseline for engaging in society, computer science is not. Computer science is much more than writing microsoft excel macros and requires years of active engagement to fully learn the impact of the code written.
What is needed is a better licensing program for software developers that must be required for working on projects that have potential safety consequences. Software has quickly become the underpinnings of our society but with that has come mountains of technical debt and shitty code that is one bad patch away from caving in.
>>68283147
that tweet reminds me of this SNL skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI
>>68283147
if she means that basic programming should be in the school curriculum from middle school onward then I agree. After all it's 2016.
>>68284342
People complain about having to learn algebra, much less CS topics
>>68283147
this evil shill just says whatever she thinks people want to hear
who the fuck cares
When did teaching Computer Science become the big meme in education? Even if you think schools should add more material instead of making sure that every adult actually knows the material they're teaching now, surely something like Calculus would be more useful?
>>68284446
>dat titty grope
>>68284250
Whiggish
>>68284342
>Does she even know what Computer Science is?
what, like with a cloth?
>>68285736
She said computer science, swede, not basic programming. It doesn't even matter because she doesn't know what the fuck either of those are.
That's the only """"arguement"""" the left have, appeal to chronology.
Someone should reply something along the lines of"I agree 100%, maybe that way they can learn not to have their emails leaked"
CS
>implying you use a computer
>implying it is a science
>>68284342
When they say "computer science" they mean powerpoint and photoshop.
>>68286143
man what the fug
>>68286167
I was assuming she mixed those up yes.
>>68286143
>that gif
>>68286419
>wats fur dinar
>doge, snek
>>68283147
It's because conservatives are too dumb to know what year it is.
I mean, come on, it's 2016. As a civilization, we have transcended "traditional" (idiot conservative) economics and politics. Conflict and profit are evils brought by old people who are being lost in history. All who disagree shall be cleansed for the good of mankind
#feelthebern
>>68283147
>math is too exclusive
shes so out of touch that she thinks compsci courses are coding classes
>>68284446
i scream on the inside e
everytime
>everytime
>>68286143
o nooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>68283147
System.out.println("WE WUZ KANGZ");
>>68286143
OMNOMNOM
>>68283147
Most people should never do CS. Even those actually interested in software development.
>>68286143
RIP in peace, puppers.
>>68286143
Yeah snake, kill the faggot dog puppy!
>>68286143
why do politicians love name-dropping CS so much? And pushing free CS classes for stupid nignogs. The fact is that not everyone is smart and/or autistic enough to be a codemonkey
>>68286143
Who fucking did that? I will hunt them down and kill them.
>>68283147
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history
>>68284342
>I see absolutely zero reason to teach every student about algorithmic complexity.
Because why not, I've already thought my little cousin Scheme
It would be a good vehicle for critical thinking
Every child should achieve Satori after implementing a metacircular evaluator in Scheme by the time their 11
Isn't CS a college level subject? Doesn't everyone already have access to college? Or is she really asking schoolchildren to take on advanced mathematical concepts?
Also, why? What possible good would it do to train everyone in CS?
Most people have trouble with anything more complicated than long division. Teaching cs to everyone would be a huge waste of money. I think it should be more accessible to young students though. I didnt know what programming was until I was 18.
>>68287426
>le CS is codemonkeying maymay
>>68283147
I actually agree with this. Computer science should definitively be core curriculum at public school.
>>68287816
set theory and algorithms are simple as fuck to understand, you could easily teach it to children
>>68284446
Typical female
>>68287705
Some Chinese guy
Not at all surprising
>>68288010
Well I guess, but why? Most people will never have the slightest use for CS,
>>68287816
CS is literally just a field of study. That's almost like saying "isn't physics a college level subject?" you can learn the fundamentals of CS at almost any age.
>>68287728
Do you realize that everyone who knows CS knows you are lying about you teaching your cousin at 11, how to write a metacircular evaluator in scheme?
The thing about CS, and why STEM is valuable, isn't because there are so few people with degrees. Even if college is free and nignogs get the best classes, you need some level of autism to do well in this field.
Like 85% of the pollacks on here would never cut it in a CS class.
Those books seriously trigger me. fuck sakes, people. fuck sakes, if everyone can think in terms of CS, the world would be a better place, but that's like asking everyone to understand quantum mechanics. it isn't possible.
>>68287816
I hope they mean computational thinking, not computer science. I find it hard enough to teach students basic computer programming with baby stuff like Scratch or even Python, because they don't know how to think anymore.
>>68288119
computers are central to the modern world and the general public having some basic concepts would be make people less stupid, you could easily integrate most of it in with math classes
>>68288010
You sound too much like a redditor.
>>68288119
You cannot learn the fundamentals of CS at any age. You need to first understand some mathematical concepts, basic sheet like predicate logic, before even you can touch CS.
>>68288010
common core wants to do that, and wants to teach modern algebra to kids. parents are too stupid to realize what are the pedagogical goals of common core and they resist. it is sad.
>>68288139
You can say the same about anything tho. I could teach highschool kids the basics of electrical engineering, but why would I? It's something most will never care in the slightest about, and there are plenty of more remedial subjects that need to be taught.
>>68288233
Even if she meant that, it's not a useful thing for most people to know. Humans aren't computers, so computational analysis won't help you if you end up not working with computers.
>>68288429
>a fucking leaf shilling for Common Core
>>68288335
Computer science has very little to do with using computers, tho.
>>68287329
>brazil
You are scum and you know it.
>>68288233
Computational thinking, or computer literacy, that's what I think they want to push.
Computer Science ≠knowledge about computers
>>68286143
look that snake and dog are kissing :)
>>68288429
>You cannot learn the fundamentals of CS at any age. You need to first understand some mathematical concepts, basic sheet like predicate logic, before even you can touch CS.
I'm inclined to agree, whcih is why I consider it a "college-tier" subject. But that just means Shillary thinks there are people who don't have access to college.
>>68286143
Fucking gooks.
>>68288149
>Do you realize that everyone who knows CS knows you are lying about you teaching your cousin at 11, how to write a metacircular evaluator in scheme?
there's noting confusing about it when you properly get the concept of recursion down
>>68287705
A snake
>>68283147
>It's 2016. Criminals shouldn't be running for president.
>>68288534
But computers have everything to do with computer science, except using it. Designs of computer systems should be simple enough that a nignog can master it and be productive.
>>68288524
I read the curriculum. At first I was scared your amerifats were gonna produce a generation of intellectual superiors to your current crop and now, i laugh.
>>68288092
In today's least surprising news...
>>68283147
I MEAN CMON
>>68283147
>every student should have access to X class
what if every single student wanted to all enroll in the same class at the same time, does she think they'd just have to hire more professors and immediately construct more buildings to have space to teach these classes
would it be sexist or racist for computer science majors to be prioritized ocean comp engr majors
where would they get the money to do this
>>68283147
I got in an argument with someone over the weekend who was saying "ITS THE CURRENT YEAR"
The memes of pol are really starting to effect me in the real world. So many people are walking memes, repeating what politicians and the media spout and they don't even realise it.
>>68285330
Oh you mean like literally everything else? Our infrastructure, for example.
Your solution fixes nothing.
>>68284446
>grabs her titty when she can't run away
>>68288846
>Designs of computer systems
That's engineering, not science.
Computer Science is a branch of mathematics, it isn't "the science of computers", it's "the science of computING".
>>68288667
She is talking about prepping kids for AP CS. You need to complete AP CS to get into CS, along with maths and sheet. A lot of the poor americucks have access to computers, computers are everywhere, but they do not have access to an intellectual culture that encourages and facilitates excellences in using it. So having CS Ap courses in shit tier highschools are non-starters because they wouldn't get any thing out of it, and that's what I think she means.
but honestly, she should just focus on computation thinking for the nignogs.
>>68288696
>recurison
SICP meme
>>68283147
I was going to major in CS too, but then Obama "diversifies" the industry. I hope to god that Trump wins. I think I can hold my own against the increased amount of people in the industries (because most of them are code monkeys), but I would rather not.
>>68289147
>retard enrolls into computer science because he likes video games
>has to learn calculus, logic, and linear algebra, and more
>doesnt understand
>drops out together with all the women
>becomes a nu-male
>all this fucking retards
She is just trying to say we should teach logic, calculus, maybe a introduction to a computer language in mandatory school, or at the same time as the deggre they are into. She is not advocating that everyone should know advanced concepts.
She is a politician, so she has to appeal to the lowest common denominator. When she says we should learn CS, most think about itsy dupsy stuff like opening the BIOS, or making pings in command line,
>>68283147
When I was in high school like 13 years ago there were computer classes that anyone could have already. I remember at least there being a Visual Basic, C++, Microsoft Word/Excel, and even a Cisco networking class. Are there really any schools anywhere that don't have computer classes??
>>68284446
>This fucking webm
Dammit no. Not again.
>>68289147
>concepts of encapsulation, of abstraction, of how to design the semantics of a language, these things aren't CS.
computer engineering is hardware bro.
>>68283941
It's not dead, just barely kept alive by mudskins and autists
>>68283147
To be fair, in Mississippi we had access to computer science classes in 2001 when I was in high school. I would assume, considering Mississippi is dead last in education because of the fucking Delta and Jackson area, that the rest of teh country would have similar or superior.
>>68284446
>locking your knees
>ever
women
Honestly, this is probably the only time I've heard that meme used as a legit argument. An understanding of computers is necessary for success in our modern world.
>>68289225
>You need to complete AP CS to get into CS
I'm pretty sure this isn't true. I mean maybe if you want to go to MIT or something, but if you just really really want to study CS I'm sure you can find a college that will accept you with just a HS certificate.
>teach kids javascript and html
>or some shitty ass fucking java OOP god forbid
Whoopdie fucking do, what waste of time.
>>68286143
sneaky bugger even bites the face so no chance of a return nip
I always thought that if I got wrapped up by a snake I would be chewin on that thing til I got to it's spine. It all happens so fast though and snakes are made of muscle, has anyone bitten a live snake before?
>>68286143
why a puppy why i am so upset right now
>>68289276
You are about to enter into a CS program, you are by definition a code money right now until you graduate. I love how the fresh meat think they are the best. You will be humbled, bro.
>>68289318
Half my class was this. 2500 enrolled in CS first year at my university. First term, that dropped to 2000. After first year, with the prospects of having to pass another calculus class, another 3rd dropped. By the end of second year, there are only 150 of us spread in 5 different streams. The rest didn't drop out of school, they just switched majors.
>>68288429
I don't know why you CS fags delude yourself into thinking CS is difficult. Most of the math in CS is reasonably straightforward. You could probably teach a 12 year old a large part of CS since you typically don't every need algebra. Obviously certain things ,like computer graphics, would be a lot more difficult to teach.
>inb4 recursion is hard durrr
>>68283147
Trump for President. It's 2016!
>>68289943
>tfw codemonkey status
Money's alright but fuck do I hate the work. I didn't have to have to get a masters just to something meaningful with my life.
>>68289943
Calculus is ez in my Uni. Possible the ez-est classes. What is your calculus 1 curriculum?
>>68289819
Yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBKkW6NBlpA
>>68290173
*want to have to get a masters
>Computer science
>>68289819
>has anyone bitten a live snake before?
only a ehhhhh, black mamba ;^)
>>68283147
>CS class
>is illiterate
kek
>>68283147
Appeal to progress, a subset of the appeal to novelty fallacy. Basically they believe that we are more enlightened than anyone who came before and thus must hold certain views. They are so sure of the righteousness of those views that they don't even need to form an argument because it should just be obvious.
Thus they can't explain why someone might not be okay with transsexuality or kids claiming to be gay or straight at ages where they either don't know what that means or are likely going through a phase. For them, the current year states that this is good and true so why even argue? It's 2016 after all, are you against progress?
Bernie Sanders.
>>68290267
*teleports behind you*
*slashes you into 10000 pieces with my katana made of the strongest steel known to man*
>>68283147
It's 2016. Every student should have access to the school they want to go to, not be forced into poorly run public school.
>>68284342
Computer science is the science of cloths.
>>68290293
Is that what you call Jamal's cock?
>tfw 90% of human interaction in the workforce is social, reading comprehension and basic logic
>WE NEED MORE PHYSICS CLASSES FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL BE CASHIERS AT WALMART
I don't really know where this is going. I think we might hit a generation that has no idea how to pay taxes, write checks, or read a contract.
>>68289629
Not in america. To study CS at university, you need AP CS. They assume you have it, and start teaching accordingly.
>>68290066
Dude, lambda calculus.
>>68290218
Spivak and proofs. At my school there are 3 calculus streams: business, science (physics, life science, chemistry, engineering), calculus for math and cs folks. A lot of folks who dropped out of cs because of calculus was given an opportunity to write the easier exam for business or the sciences.
>>68290489
that was the joke britain, you dumb fuck.
>>68290229
what are you saying to me you bastard son of the north?
>>68290293
oh Sweden
>>68283941
>engineering
Be more specific, anon. Integrated systems engineering doesn't count I mean look, more than 2% of the girls are attractive. That doesn't happen in physics or math.
>>68283147
CS students to be replaced by H1B visa poo in loos. More people on welfare programs
>>68289943
2500? jesus christ lmao
first year class here is about 150 students for cs
im not in cs though
but at least 50% dropout rate
numbers for higher years are typically skewed because of people being held back a year because of failing too many courses
>>68290218
we had this in our first calc class:
-functions
-limits
-differentiation
-extrema
-Taylor expansions
-integration
-complex numbers
-differential equations (general 1st order, linear 2nd order)
in 8 weeks
in my class 60/150 students passed
>>68290675
Brits are slow on the uptake. It's the constant drinking and the fact their women are pregnant at all times from age 12 and up.
>>68288990
Do you mean the infrastructure that is several times older than any software that continues to function? Sure some bridges are old, but it is extremely rare for them to fail in an uncontrolled manner. This is due to the rigor of the policy that goes into the planning and maintaining of such things, which is completely missing with software despite us depending on it in similar ways.
Furthermore, one cannot put up a bridge after taking a month long civil engineering boot camp and expect to have thousands of people use it without any problems.
The comparison is fair, but highlights the difference between civil and software engineering.
>>68290527
I think this is already true. My local library (when I'm home in the US) runs a project to "help" people fill in their tax returns, which is always packed with niggers from Oakland making that I DUNNO NUFFIN face while the white volunteers basically fill the forms in for therm because IT BE TOO HARD AN SHEET.
And the modern habit of just clicking "yes" to those terms and conditions forms on every website has pretty much killed the idea of actually reading what you sign.
Computer Science
>>68290264
Do you have a degree in CS? Our fourth year involves a capstone project and many folks I know left to find a life in big firms.
>>68290527
this is why common core isn't popular in america. A lot of pollacks who think college is useless and if everyone gets a college degree will somehow devalue college ignores what it teaches. They never equate it in terms of how literacy and how with everyone being literate enables something that otherwise wouldn't exist.
>>68283147
>CURRENT YEAR AND NO COMPUTER CLASS!
>>68290884
I don't know, it's interesting having roommates and realizing that someone my age cannot do basic maintenance, manage their finances, or dress for an interview.
But he has studied calculus.
>>68290908
>How Can Computers Be Science If Our Eyes Aren't Science
>>68290657
You don't need to understand lambda calculus to understand CS at all. Most places teach Turing machines, but you also don't need to understand that to understand CS.
(code)
Debug.Print 'Hello World':
(code|)
>>68291138
>interesting
That's one word for it. Then remember that this "person" can vote and not only that, his vote counts as much as yours does.
>>68287705
The snake has to eat too. It's the circle of life...
>>68291264
Nah, he's a filthy foreigner from a half way decent country.
The current year is basically a buzzword, and for some reason the regressive left can't go a day without using a buzzword.
>>68283147
Argumentum ad A.D.
>>68291340
Kill him and eat his skin. Post pics.
>>68291264
Someone like that probably doesn't vote anyway. Or at least much less likely to vote.
>>68290837
Ours is quite similar, we didn't learn
-complex numbers
-differential equations (general 1st order, linear 2nd order)
But we made up with trigonometrical functions and the fundamental therems
Our passing rate was slightly bettter, maybe 40/65
>>68290657
>proofs
What proofs? I didn't made any proofs in calculus, only straightforward stuff
>>68290837
If you do maintain an average, you are forced out of the program. The average is variable for the given cohort. My school is huge and one of the best ones in canada for CS, so the first year enrolment is always large. What's really off though is that all of us who enter into the program did really well in high maths, like calculus, but we stumbled when we realized that our calculus isn't about taking an derivative or evaluating a limit. It was all proofs. It wasn't fun envying the other streams. A lot of people GTFO when they bombed the first mid-term.
>>68290884
I think the way people use the internet, nignog or 1488 ilk, is making everyone stupid. do u agree britbong?
>>68290979
Are you retarded or do you just not have any idea what's currently going on in this country? A large percentage of kids graduate high school without being able to read, and you're saying they now need to learn Computer Science?
>>68291419
But I don't even like bath salts.
>>68283147
Less than 50% of Americans can understand fractions. What makes her think that the average Americunt can handle computah sciences.
>>68283147
Raspberry Pi is the cost of a large pizza. Everyone has access to computers already, thanks to the free market.
She wants every school to spend tens of thousands of dollars on brand new computers, that will ALL get viruses from underagers surfing porn sites without adblock, and need to be replaced for double the cost.
Fuck her big government bullshit.
>>68290837
Well, only like 5 or 6 out of the 60 per year finish the course in 3 years, and mybe less then half actually finish the course. But at least we have guarenteed job.
>>68289000
underrated
>>68286143
>>68290229
Snakes are terrifyingly fast when they need to be.
>>68291552
You don't have to be off your head on drugs to eat someone's skin, trust me on this.
>>68291477
>I think the way people use the internet, nignog or 1488 ilk, is making everyone stupid. do u agree britbong?
People have been complaining about falling standards in public discourse since the dawn of time. The internet is not the problem, the problem is people. The internet just makes it more apparent.
>>68291442
yeah those two things are the main part of the course though kek
>>68291477
yeah we dont do proofs
i think only math majors have to do those here
or maybe cs majors too
im not a cs major
sory
>>68291752
they're not perfect
>>68291217
You need it to understand and reason about semantics. And you need other advance maths to learn ML too. Coding theory needs math too.
>>68291442
Yeah. It was the maths that CS and pure math folks had to take.
Senior CS student here. All of the idiots dropped out by end of sophomore year. Most of them were autistic neck beards who thought they were computer wizards because they built their own computer or beta nu males who wanted to make video games. The advanced classes really weed people out so its pointless to waste time teaching everyone.
>>68290657
>spivak
back to your containment board /sci/
>>68288335
Understanding of computers != computer science. People don't need to understand algorithms, Boolean algebra, data structure design and implementation, or any of the numerous different subjects that all compose comp sci. The thinking/logic is good for people, but it's not necessary at all.
That being said, I agree that fundamental computer concepts/usage should be taught to everyone, especially with how exploitable idiots are in securing a network.
>>68289329
the general populations isn't able to understand simple concepts of rigorous algebra, why even bothering teaching stuff that only 0.1% really uses?
>>68290979
Yeah, bs in cs.
>>68291952
You are taking CS and not making proofs? What do you learn in Logic? Advanced Alggebra? Discrete mathemathic?
>>68291980
I just think it's weird that people make proofs in Calculus 1. I learn calculus 1 (the same as the math course) and proofs were non existent. But most of the math classes forward are proof based
>>68292316
She means that people should learn a little of computacional skill (logic...) and maybe some comoutational skills.
>>68289329
Really? because all she said was COMPUTER SCIENCE.
>>68283147
>2016
>not parroting current year as argument
>not being sarcastic nu-male
>not being a Cuck
>probably a fucking white male too
Things are looking problematic for you Anon
>>68289432
Computer engineering is both hardware and design, for example operating system/driver designs would fall under computer engineering in most schools. Even software engineering could fall under either, depending on what software you were engineering and for what platform.
>>68291624
She doesn't. She is talking about making AP computer classes available to all. The problem is that you can't just go into an AP class and start doing well in it if you don't got that mathematical intuition. Programming isn't CS.
>>68292316
Because it develops their ability to think abstractly.
>>68292297
Everyone should know how to properly use their software.
>>68291477
Waterloo?
>>68292521 here, I think making people take computer classes is really dumb. However I think EVERYONE should have to take a logic class. Really, your entire education is just an attempt to teach you how to think logically. So why shouldn't people have to take formal logic?
>>68284342
Professional programmer here. Honestly I have nothing against having a basic introductory programming course as part of say a basic high school curriculum in the same vein as physics, chemistry, biology, etc. Much like those subjects, few people will use it once they graduate, but it challenges you to follow a new way of thinking and seeing the world. CS is extremely logic-driven, a mindset that children desperately need experience with, especially in today's education system.
It also has the added benefit of weeding out the uninterested/incapable earlier on. Programming is not something that everyone can do, nor is it something a lot of people really want to do once they've had first hand experience. Drop out rates for freshmen CS students are massive, because many underestimate both how challenging it is if you aren't accustomed to thinking logically or you aren't a creative problem solver, and how fucking boring it is if you don't enjoy it.
>>68285330
Shitty code is never going away. If you want less idiots pursuing CS, let them try it hands-on in their impressionable years and realize for themselves how boring it is. The only reason it's such a hot topic right now is because it's a high-paying field that women don't excel in. The more excuses you take away, the less they'll have to bitch about.
>>68292648
>She is talking about making AP computer classes available to all.
Aren't they already, tho? Are there schools that simply don't take part in the AP program?
>>68292554
So that stupid people understand. It's a way to say "HEY LET'S LEARN IPSY DUPSY COMPUTER GEEK STUFF xD" withouth sounding retard to the normal population
>>68292530
>im not a cs major
i do proofs in logic classes sure, but not in any of my math classes
they leave that part out for us on purpose : ^)
>>68292955
So you are not a CS student? Ok. So your calculus is probably diferent from CS calculus in you uni.
>>68292648
>Everyone should know how to properly use their software.
I agree, but this isn't computer science. It's just learning how to use computers, which should be taught in schools but is not remotely related to computer science.
>>68292530
Logic?
People that vote on Hillary "leak muh classified shit" Clinton?
I don't think so.
>>68283147
What is it with right wing fuckwits and trying to make everyone live in 1860?
You assholes can't decide if you hate t3h librulz for evolving Mankind and society into a new Age of Enlightenment or if you hate them for not embracing right wing "new" ideas from the 16th century.
Explain to me how it's some sort of a 'bad idea' that students in the modern age should have access to education in computing sciences?
TO be honest, OP, you sound like a raging faggot that is too stupid to keep up with everyone else, so you want "someone to DO something!" and "make everyone else" stop being smarter than you.
Keep up or fall behind, you dumbfuck. You sound like a typical whiny generation iPhone child that thinks you know how to program because someone showed you how to swipe both left and right in an app you bought from the app store on your mommy's credit card.
Here's an Earth-shattering hint: some apps let you swipe up and down, also. Now you're a fucking l337z h4XXoR. Move out of the basement and support yourself with your skillz.
>The lady who thought wipe a server meant with a cloth Thinks we should have computer science.
>>68293162
The only thing we don't do that CS does do is
Trigonometric Integrals
Trigonometric Substitution
Integration of Rational Functions by Partial Fractions
and still 60% failed baka desu
>>68293162
To be fair, a lot of the higher-level math classes and computer science classes have a lot of overlap. CS is just a very specific subset of math, if you take the right classes as a math major you've essentially taken a more difficult computer science major.
>>68292530
Our CS program is really good. Our logic course was done by the CS department, also in first year but second term. Second year we learn linear algebra and the rest of the maths we are exposed to come from courses within the department, for specific streams. The rationale for exposing us to proofs early is that in our logic course we were required to learn to think about thing about how things are determined/computed and why it works. That then feeds to our first analysis of algos course in second year.
>>68292601
Operating systems fall under CS because it solves problems about computations: scheduling, continuations.
Computer engineering at my school is logic circuits, FPGA, doing that sheet which involves computing with hardware.
>>68293404
This, exactly. It being 2016 means that technology in this country is so ubiquitous that access to computer education is essential in preparing schoolchildren for their adult lives and jobs. The current year is tied to our level of technological process, which the educational system needs to keep up with. Jeez, it's so fucking obvious half of /pol/ never leaves their basement when everything looks like a meme to them.
>>68292892
Shit tier schools for nignogs do not offer AP courses. Some schools are geared towards just getting people to graduate.
>>68293546
That's the thinking at my school too. Type theory comes from math and it has the potential to make programming for idiots even more easier.
>>68290837
Computer engineer here. First year had around 50 students and only 8 (including me) graduated.
And they still can't code for shit.
>>68293517
Math is impossible for those that do not study. II failed redundantly my first year in CS because i didn't study shit.
>>68293546
Of course
A CS graduate in my country could teach math up to highschool level, or still can.
>>68293909
Did any of the 50 create cool ICs?
>>68286275
This. Computer science has as much to do about computers as astronomy with telescopes. It also has nothing in common with any other field labeled "science".
>>68292823
>It also has the added benefit of weeding out the uninterested/incapable earlier on. Programming is not something that everyone can do, nor is it something a lot of people really want to do once they've had first hand experience. Drop out rates for freshmen CS students are massive, because many underestimate both how challenging it is if you aren't accustomed to thinking logically or you aren't a creative problem solver, and how fucking boring it is if you don't enjoy it.
This. I still remember my CS101 class, where the prof started talking about ALUs and registers and basic hardware shit in the first week. You could almost fucking feel the waves of boredom pouring off the women/normies. By the time we hit floating point arithmetic, half the class had dropped out. That class was 70% women but by the third mandatory CS course there was literally 1 girl left.
>>68294125
What is the point of CS without computers?
>>68293404
It's not a bad idea that everyone is required to take computer science courses any more than it's a bad idea to make everyone take electrical engineering courses. Only a very small subset of the population is even going to use computer science, so she's either misusing the term computer science in her speech or she lacks a fundamental understanding of what computer science is.
>>68293590
Operating system design falls under either, it really depends on the school and how it was taught. Computer engineering in a lot of places is very similar to just taking computer science with a minor in electrical engineering, you do a lot of device programming and physical device design. Computer science deals a lot more with theory, but I would argue that software design can really fall under either discipline.
>>68293860
>Shit tier schools for nignogs do not offer AP courses
Then I agree with Shillary, all students should have the option of applying to an AP course. Even the niggest of nog schools has the occasional gifted student.
>>68294076
Some of us did for our academic minors. The rest couldn't even figure out how to program a ATtiny85 and dropped out.
>>68294319
Logic and mathematical concepts, it's essentially the same as saying "What's the point of mathematics without computers", since both really need computers at their highest and most practical levels.
>>68293590
Which university my friend?
>>68294319
Explain how CS was invented as a discipline before computers existed. Also explain why you think a field of abstract mathematics should have a "point".
>>68283147
Clearly what the world needs is more shit coders that create more work for real engineers to come back and clean up.
>>68291477
>but we stumbled when we realized that our calculus isn't about taking an derivative or evaluating a limit. It was all proofs. It wasn't fun envying the other streams. A lot of people GTFO when they bombed the first mid-term.
i'm really glad that i decided to check out the MIT OCW on discrete math now, it really gave me a leg to stand on.
>>68283147
It's just a shitty meme that went dormant in the mid-90's then reared it's ugly head again back in 2015.
Remember when people used to justify all manner of degeneracy of saying "it's the 90's now"?
>>68283147
She's not wrong though. If /pol/ has taught me anything it's that investment in American public education is sorely lacking.
>>68293909
im still a student, but i swear to god my classmates sometimes write the dumbest shit ever and it makes me want to die
i sympathise with them who become their coworkers in the future
>>68294000
also the fact that every one thinks math is inherently difficult for some reason
makes them not study in the first place thinking its alost cause
>>68294631
except that she doesnt know what shes talking about in the slightest
>>68284446
I don't get it. Why did her knee bend like that? Was the machine pushing the seat instead of her?
>>68294125
It's a science, because there are elements of it that aren't purely theoretical, or can just be reasoned about. Math isn't a science because it isn't empirical at all. But in CS, there is research done in terms of collecting evidence and through experimentation.
>>68294367
OS research is done in the CS community, not in the computer engineering community. You guys focus on translating computations to physical devices, that's the departure. If you are doing computer engineering and basically learning how to be a code monkey without means to reason about what you code, you are doing it wrong.
You should deal with making pipeline instruction sets faster. working on physical caching schemes.
>>68283147
Cunt can't even safeguard government intel
>>68294631
They actually spend way more per student than virtually anywhere else. Their big problems are a HUGE and extremely powerful Teacher's Union and an abundance of niggers. The niggers they're pretty much stick with, but the Union really needs to be fixed / abolished tho, the shit it gets up to is Arthur Scargill-tier.
>>68294319
CS can be applied to anything to do with computing. It's not computer specific is my point.
You learn about logic, layers of abstraction, and data structures; both abstract and concrete. This can be applied to many things, the fact that 90% of computational devices are servers, PCs, and phones is the only reason they're so closely related.
>>68294485
But those are mathematical concepts
>What's the point of mathematics without computers
Huge. Architecture, day to day calculation, engeniiring, finance...
>>68294546
CS as a course was first given in the 60's. By then computers were alive and recomended. Sure, much of the basics for computer science were already being studied, but it doesn't make sense to talk about computer science if there is no computers.
I understand you guys say this to impress normies that thinking they will program crysis 4 in 2nd year.
>>68294801
>Was the machine pushing the seat instead of her?
So.... you DO get it?
>>68294631
>isle of inbreds who think a 70% is "excellent" and deserves an A
>>68284901
>can't get accepted to the local community college
>>68294420
LOL.
>>68294514
It's in ontario.
>>68294573
that's not how the world works. shit tier coders work within wall gardens, playpens really, that real CS folks put up. We figure out how to make it easier to program so cucks can do the cuckening.
>>68294631
A lot of americans do not believe in the value of education.
>>68294779
a computer engineering fuck at my school put up a poster for his final year research project. it was an FPGA that was able to quickly compress a raw file into jpeg. I think work in verilog or something.
is this what you guys do? make chips instead of code?
>>68294631
I agree that our education system is sorely lacking since we try to appeal to the lowest common denominator which constitutes inter-city people and cleetus who don't give a fuck about learning anything, and that we should try to improve our education system.
This isn't the way to do it, computer science is a very specialized field of thought and focus.
>>68294852
My program did a lot of both, we worked a lot with device design, and with logic and proper coding techniques. We learned a lot about data structures and algorithms, in fact our programs had the same introductory courses. We also did a lot of hardware design, logic gates, and hardware design as well. We don't take a dedicated software engineering course, but we do still have to have similar logic courses, and a similar mathematics regimen. I would argue we aren't as specialized as computer science majors when it comes exclusively to software design, but we do have a pretty solid footing in the field.
>>68294779
It's a meme born in high school. Math is not easy desu, but it's not as hard as most make it to be.
>>68294546
Abstract mathematics only point is giving Vsauce stuff to shit talk
>>68294801
machine pushes back and forth, you bend your knees to exercise them. You lock your knees and then your knees attempt to prevent the machine from pushing forward.... the force being applied by the machine is stronger than a woman's frail knees and thus her knees snapped.
>>68286143
damn, i hope the chinks realize they're missing out on a good meal there.
>>68295431
no
how the fuck is that valid as a final year project
please tell me he didnt get his degree
PLEASE
also i study AI : ^)
>>68295598
ya just gotta gotta
but people wont listen to me and make it out to be some kind of foul magic theyll never grasp
black kids don't even want to learn english
you think they're going to learn a programming language?
>>68295657
Ha ha, what the fuck? Did the engineers not see this as being a problem?
>People are computer literate
I posted KEK in the CNN live stream and every one asked me what a cuck was.
>>68283147
>typical grandma, using last years memes
It's 2016. No hamster should go without dance classes. -Hillary
>>68295226
Let me rephrase my answer, computer science does need computers and you are right, it is pretty pointless without computers. However, computers are just a tool used with computer science, and computer science is still functional as a logic base without computers. A lot of computer science is applied logic and mathematics to specialized problems, computer scientists don't necessarily need to code to fix their problem.
Computer science does not need computers to function, it would just be entirely theoretical and logic based just like some of the highest level mathematical concepts. You don't need an understanding of hyperbolic geometry to build a house, for example.
>>68296024
They didn't anticipate someone as stupid and weak as this woman to operate the machine.
>>68295431
>is this what you guys do? make chips instead of code?
Not necessarily. We do both, but most of the courses are about coding and optimising it for IC's. We also worked with an FPGA and had to optimise it for floating-point operations to draw, transform, and rotate a .stl model on a TV screen.
We used VHDL though, not Verilog. It's the pretty much the same syntax, except VHDL is used by Eurofags I believe?
>>68283147
You can't teach computer science without college level linear algebra
All you could do is teach kids is entry level Matlab bullshit
>>68295552
Like, today, if you know design patterns, you are often good enough to go to do work. I remember talking to an anon here who thought of himself as a software architect because he could suggest angularJs to clients.
>>68283147
Moral relativism. This matters now, but it didn't before.
>>68296267
Even we use VHDL.
>>68296167
Exactly
>>68283147
Every college student DOES have access to computer science classes if they're at a University that offers it.
Daily reminder that Hillary will be perp walked before the primaries are over, handing Bernie the nomination by default.
>>68285865
I think stats, even just basic stats, is way more applicable than calculus.
>>68296567
My concern is that you can't cover much of stats without at least a little calculus. A brief overview of stats (e.g. the difference between mean and median) and some discrete math and probability (e.g. If you flip two coins, what are the odds that they'll both come up heads) would be useful though.
>>68295603
nigger
>>68295879
Sorry, it was an FPGA that took raw data from an image sensor and improved the process to convert it into a jpg. I have a photo of his poster somewhere, and he did graduate.
title: CMOS image compression sensor with algorithmically multiplying ADCs.
>>68296267
Yeah, they do stuff like that too. memory pipelining, pipeline optimization.
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>>68296567
yes, stats comes up a lot in daily life
and people are generally pretty bad at it
and teaching them even a bit does help
>>68296999
UofT
>>68296358
I wouldn't consider myself a software architect, for example we only learned a few design patterns outside of a software engineering course. I'm not finished with my program however, and I would agree that we are definitely more hardware-oriented than computer scientists. I would say, with a software engineering course, that would probably provide enough of a basis in design patterns to bridge the gap between computer science and computer engineering.
>>68283147
>women can write good code
They will become project leaders in the end anyway
>>68297502
Great news for the cybersecurity industry, at least. Trying to deal with all the day-one exploits will pretty much give people like me job security for the rest of the century.
>>68297502
project leaders are necessary cus our autism makes it hard to talk to each other.
>>68297586
bruv, formal methods == no exploits.
That's what her handlers told her would make her look better upon voters aged 18-24 and she would rise 3% in polls. Seen favorably by middle class suburban white population, and lesbian transgender middle eastern midgets, who identify as chairs.
>>68297154
yep
>>68297737
>female project leaders put there by "diversity programs"
>formal methods
okay
>>68297502
yet, when it comes to talking, they don't seem to have a shut off valve.
>>68284446
>>68294801
this is an old webm/gif
the leg that locked up is fake
My community college offers a computer literacy class for like $100 that teaches you the basics of office programs, how to use the internet, and how to avoid scams and viruses.
If you cant learn it yourself or save $100 you probably are too stupid to use the internet.
>>68297154
Only good thing about U of T was taking computational complexity taught by the guy that basically invented it.
So glad I graduated and got out of there. Seems like Bay, Bloor, College, and Spadina bound one giant SJW safe space shithole right now.
>>68283147
They already have access to Computer Science III
>>68298168
/based
>>68298027
nah son. many of them don't even go to U of T. They go to ryerson. also, someone (not me) is scribbling poo in the loo in the washrooms.
>>68298022
Tbqh senpai computer literacy courses should be offered to all highschool students, since they're eventually going to be using computers in an actual business setting. The biggest exploits in cyberspace today are normies who don't understand computers giving good info out in social engineering attacks. Reducing the number of computer illiterate fuckwits makes everyone safer and makes everything work smoother.
>>68295431
Waterloo?
>>68295431
>>68298838
Oh shit I'm retarded you already said UofT.
>>68298022
Liberals anon, liberals. They're too vapid for real self-discipline so they rely on someone else, mommy and daddy (but mostly mommy) to do it for them. But of course they hate to be made to feel bad about being the trainwrecks that they are, so they demand roundabout methods of instruction, hence charismatic authority and their enjoyment in sucking the dicks Jobs and Obama.
>>68287719
This.
>>68283147
This is bullshit.
I'm in a computer science class where anyone can join. We had two jock fags join, and they've disrupted class so many damn times I want a gun to shoot myself every time I see them. They're so fucking annoying, and drag the class down, so obviously Hillary hasn't met these fucking kids.
>>68298027
Uoft definitely sucks ass now. If I was a billionaire I'd pay them to burn the whole thing down.
>>68299363
Where are you taking them? Computer science classes past entry level ones are pretty much full of people who are actually dedicated. Your first few classes are all weed-out classes that take out the video game maker autists and neckbeards who don't know what they're doing by the end of the first year.
>>68296024
99.999% of people don't have weak enough knees to have them break like that nor are they flexible enough to lock their knees at over 180 degree angle with the pad.
Its like guillotining yourself in the squat rack. Its actually very easy to do if you un-rack way more weight than you should and try to squat forward.
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>>68284342
that's 2nd year CompSci @ Uni material. Teaching public school students introductory programming, which will foster logical thinking and an appreciation/understanding of discrete mathematics, is a splendid idea.
>>68299511
Lol yeah, public school cs classes? We're on motherfucking MIT's Scratch project, full of shitty programming techniques and disgusting animation, and the networking is bullshit. At least last year we had learned a real programming language.
>>68299668
While I have no problem with introductory programming courses being offered, I really don't think anyone other than advanced students would be able to understand discrete mathematics in highschool. I'm pretty sure Hillary was trying to say we need to teach computer literacy to everyone, anyway.
>>68299897
Really whatever you learn in highschool is pretty basic level stuff anyway, like it pretty much gives you the stuff you need to be a code monkey and that's basically it.
I don't get this stupid push to have everyone code. People think they are going to be designing robots or something and don't relieze that "coding" is like "writing"--a shit-ton of work that takes weeks, months, even years to complete and that's not taking into account the time it takes just to be able to invest that shit-ton of work into something meaningful. You'll only stick with it if you actually enjoy the most basic, monotonous parts of it, which these CS trumpeters never mention.
>>68300151
Well, that's bullshit. Oh, I've been trying to learn networking and OS basics, but can't find a good source that teaches it well. Almost everything I try is way too basic or way above my head. Could you redirect me, please?
