>The medieval ages where bad guyss!!!
>christianity set us back a 1000 years
>muh dumb sheeple believing in religion lmao
>if it wasn't for christianity, we would've colonized mars now...!!
When did you grow out of this stupid meme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1vfPpvhzsI
>>68259995
>One Cathedral
>Somehow means everyone was rich and smart
Grow up.
>>68259995
When I started reading history books and texts outside of the ones assigned for school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
My go to response for the "Christian Dark Ages" bullshit.
obligatory
>>68260256
and
>>68260398
>>68260540
>>68259995
I have nothing against Christianity other than how fucking moronic it is but I don't really give a shit if you worship or not. What my major problem is that most white people have no idea what pre-christian Europe was like and have no idea of the forced conversions. Many whites still believe Christianity is the white religion that our ancestors followed it or there were really no religions prior to Christianity.
I have an issue with hour heritage ripped from us by Christians.
>>68259995you know the majority of these cathedrals weren't even finished until the industrial revolution
they didn't have the technological capabilities to make complete structures
>>68260480
>Europe
>Rest of World
>Everywhere else
Good thing we got mentioned on fuckin Pluto
the Dark Ages were bad, but they were bad because the advanced civilization collapsed and was replaced
Christianity was along for the ride
>>68260130
Rome was destroyed by christian degeneracy you cuck.
Rome reached its peak as a pagan country and after christianity took over it only got worse
Fucking sandnigger religion.
Christians = Ultimate Cucks
>>68261751
It says "rest of the west" meaning US/Straya cunt/Canada
Christians destroyed everything they viewed to be heretical.
Do you ever wonder what happened to the the ruins of Rome and Greece? How did all those beautiful structures get destroyed?
Was it just a matter of things deteriorating over time?
No, they were purposefully destroyed. By Christians.
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gi0_vandalism.htm
>>68262171
Rome was in heavy crisis mode before it became Christian
>>68261888
This. It's the dark ages people say were bad, idiot.
You know, that time where famine and the plague spread through most of the world killing off the majority of its inhabitants? Even the "undiscovered" North America suffered a plague around the same time. Stop being a retard and actually realize what you're posting.
Oh wait this is bait. Fuck me.
>"HURR LETS STAY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND NOT ADVANCE HUMANITY"
I hate retards like you.
>>68262416
>where did it all go
hurrrr
>>68262171
you are largely correct, but they were demographically doomed either way
>>68261888
>Christianity was along for the ride
it prevented all the cultures that would have replaced Rome from becoming truly great, and made them slaves to a desert cult
>>68262606
nice strawman
>>68262698
>In 609 Pope Boniface IV turned the Pantheon in Rome into a church. It had been dedicated to all the Olympian gods; now it was dedicated to St Mary and all the Christian martyrs.
>Church vandalism continued for centuries after the Middle Ages. The canopy under the dome of the present St Peter's is made from 200 tons of bronze stripped from the Pantheon in the sixteenth century (the rest reputedly went to make papal canon).
>Construction of St Peter's had been started by Bramante. He destroyed much that could have been preserved from the old basilica, and pillaged various old buildings for marble and other materials. Raphael, who took over after his death, called him Ruinante.
>>68262834
>slaves to a desert cult
>became the greatest civilization to ever exist
>still the most advanced civilization to ever exist
gas yourself.
Also the idea that anyone was a "slave" to Christianity is laughable. The German tribes voluntarily converted to Christianity because they thought it seemed cool.
>>68262698
Nice example.
They stole all the bronze in it to be reused to make stuff in St. Peter. It spawned the saying "what the barbarians didn't do, the barberini did".
Also let's not forget the destruction of Nero's tomb and many other things.
>>68262416
>badnewsaboutchtistianoty.com
Top kek, the only more biased source you could have is /r/atheism
>>68259995
>be Dutch
>posts German cathedral
>wishes he was German
>>68263119
St Peters > Pantheon 2bh
>>68263085
Greece and Rome had far more advanced cultures than anything else up until the Renaissance when Catholic dogma was finally thrown off
>The German tribes voluntarily converted to Christianity
The leaders converted because of political bribes and then subsequently forced it on everyone else by force. Charlemagne beheaded hundreds of German nobility for refusing to convert.
>>68263015
you dumb fuck that's the equivalent of someone today knocking down what they see as "urban blight"
Preserving history wasn't a big deal 'anywhere' in the 600s.
>>68263119
because bronze was in short supply
>>68263442
so you have no problem with Christians outlawing all pagan practices, (including all philosophy schools), and then cannibalizing all the old structures that took hundreds of years to build?
fuck you
>>68263432
nope that's bullshit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Middle_Ages
way to repeat centuries old myths like the amateur historian you are.
>>68262416
You know it was the Muslims who destroyed a lot of those structures right? The Turks blew up the Parthenon, for example. The Church never advocated vandalism, that's a hebrew lie.
I legitimately can't tell if you're baiting right now. You may just be this retarded.
>>68260086
>One LHC
>Somehow means everyone knows shit about science
Its always been like that, smartest 1% concentrates all resources and change the way of life for the other 99%
>>68263598
>>68263598
Why is that an issue at all? Structures serve new purposes over time. This is literally just common sense. Holy shit. And you're actually angry about it. Damn.
>>68263432
>Catholic dogma was thrown off during the Renaissance
Ok, now you're literally just making shit up.
>>68263598
>Christians outlawing all pagan practices
The pagans were already committing demographic like we are now, it didn't matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Julia
Augustus tries to pass laws to get Romans to have more children but it didn't matter. Something would have replaced them either German paganism or Christianity or whatever bullshit the Huns believed in.
It wasn't until 12th century that Hindu numerals were really introduced to Europe
That's pretty backwards no matter how you spin it.
>>68263862
*demographic suicide
>>68263666
Christians and Muslims are equally guilty
>>68263766
>closing all the philosophy schools was good
>destroying all the 'pagan' literature was good
gas yourself
>>68263862
yes I aware they were already demographically fucked
>>68263880
Greco-Roman culture NEVER had hindu numerals
christianity is still cuckdom
Charlamagne was actually black and so was Ragnar lodbrok
>>68259995
If Christianity was so backward and shit, how come we still were most advanced region in world? Somehow i dont see Asians and muslims on mars atm? Were they christians too?
its a stupid argument to begin with that should have no bearing on our assessment of Christianity. Did the Church preserve civilisation or retard it? Ultimately what fucking difference does it make other than being a matter of academic curiosity
>>68263994
prepping Jesus to enter your wife is a Noble action
>>68259995
>>68263928
Neither of those things happened by and large. In fact a lot of the learning at the time as based on pagan knowledge that was preserved in monasteries.
Why are you even on here if you just want to make stuff up? What's even the point?
>>68264015
India didn't have Christianity and they don't have toilets even today
therefore Christianity=toilets
>>68263928
>Christians and Muslims are equally guilty
>mfw defending ourselves makes us guilty
you call this a rebuttal?
>>68263994
sweden most cucked most high atheism numbers, oh i wonder why
>>68264031
Family Guy told me Christianity caused the Dark Ages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLnDy9Mjbnc
tv wouldn't lie
>>68263994
Yep. Turning the other cheek comes off as some sort of liberal meme to justify multiculturalism at this rate.
>>68264150
Christians have done more to destroy our history than Muslims have.
>>68264137
But they have a Mars Orbiter
>>68263637
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Renaissance
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Middle_Ages
Confirmed obligatory reading for anyone that hopes to understand anything about European history. High middle ages were devoutly Catholic in nature and were some of the most prosperous times in Europe. Saw an explosion of castle/ cathedral building, commerce, art, writing, natural science. "Dark ages" my ass
>>68263973
Still. Not a lot happening in maths during the middle ages. I guess that's still better than Romans who didn't advance mathematics at all.
>>68262834
Oh look, another revisionist historian.
The 'Dark Ages' were caused by feudalism which was in turn caused by constant warfare for the entire first 400 years of the Middle Ages.
The Roman Church exploited the chaos by expanding greatly, but it did not cause the 'Dark Ages' whatsoever, please stop spreading this lie.
t. History major
>>68263432
You realize there would be no Christianity today if it weren't for the Roman Empire? Have you even heard of Constantine, you literal ignoramus?
ITT cucks who happily defend a Jewish religion that stamped out by force and murder the native beliefs and spirituality of our people.
why does this not bother you?
pre-Christian Europeans were the most tolerant and open minded of all people. Do you seriously people all our pre-Christian ancestors are suffering eternally in hell?
>>68264888
no shit, Constantine was a literal cuck
>>68264126
hello architecture swede, i remember you from other threads with buildings
>>68264974
>swede
Pole
>>68264409
Fun fact: the cleanest Indian province with the highest HDI also has the highest concentration of Orthodox Christians oUT of the entire country
>>68264971
Oh look, it's another fat autistic pagan shitposting because he hated Sunday school.
>>68265058
>czech
Heck
>>68265274
>projecting this hard
Do you hate all your ancestors this much too
>>68264971
Your concept of hell is quite erroneous, your idea of who "goes to hell" and who doesn't can't be backed up by any biblical sources.
>>68259995
>woah look at that amazing looking building
>what was it built for?
>to pray to your imaginary friend
What a waste.
>>68264971
What are you some kind of pagan apologist? The move from polytheism to monotheism was inevitable
>>68265624
better than whatever shithole mosque you built, Mehmet.
As a new religion it caused many damages, as it wanted to expand. But the romans also romanised the barbarians by destroying their sanctuary places, the mudslims also killed thousands of people who didn't surrendered. That is a sad, undeniable fact. Also that's bullshit to say that we could be conquering the Mars, or other systems if we didn't have Christianity. Take a look at the other parts fo the world. I do think that Europe was still more developed, than the rest, despite having Christianity.
>>68264433
middle age art is universally acknowledged to have the worst material of any other time period
>>68265575
my concept of hell is what was taught by the catholic church for thousands of years
>>68265682
>What are you some kind of pagan apologist?
wow.
just wow.
A European who wants to live like his ancestors and not worship a sky wizard
Are you kidding me?
>>68265797
I'm white, Tyrone.
>his country is only 60% white and elected a nigger twice
>>68265984
sure
When I read history and theology. Whether you're Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, or Reformed you had smart, educated men in your churches doing great works for the world in all sorts of different fields. I'd love to see your average atheist attempt to explain away Johann Sebastian Bach, Gregor Mendel, Emanuel Swedenborg, or various other Christian men of the arts and sciences.
>>68266072
Americans in charge of demographic statistics
without christianism europoors would have sucumbed by arabs and turkroaches and everyone of you would be a shitskin. you should praise for the catolic church you heretic fucks
>>68266149
they succeeded despite Christianity, not because of it.
>>68265868
>middle age art is universally acknowledged to have the worst material
kek
>>68266185
That's nice
Enjoy Sharia Law.
![washington-image001_zpsrpn43vhu[1].jpg~original.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RQamVjF.jpg "washington-image001_zpsrpn43vhu[1].jpg~original.jpg")
>>68266072
http://www.lapresse.ca/international/201501/16/01-4835882-charlie-hebdo-manifs-anti-caricatures-dans-le-monde-musulman.php
>dans le monde musulman
>>68266319
>I must either be Christian or Muslim
>>68266404
>Netherlands trying to bring bantz
>>68266508
you're just a LARPer
>>68266404
>i-i would have 40 million niggers over mudslimes anyday
american damage control is the most pathetic shit ever
>>68266319
>Enjoy Sharia Law.
Enjoy Hillary, faggot. :^ )
>>68266293
You do realizes churches were a major financial backer for those kind of people at the time right? Without churches these people would've probably had to slave their life away doing menial labor instead of creating works of art or making new scientific discoveries.
>>68266293
Nice silly platitude. Bach was directly inspired by Christianity for all of his music.
>>68262171
Nope, their version of feminism was thetr downfall, it happened around the same time.
>>68266912
>blah blah blah
Ok Tyrone, enjoy 8 more years of mexican and nigger infestation knowing there's nothing you can do and I'll enjoy my white paradise of Central France.. Haven't seen a non-white in over a year now.
>>68266912
>normal people
nah, only fat burgers that can't walk without their eletric scooters , but i guess thats normal in america
>>68267322
>France
>>68267327
and you can't walk anywhere without getting stabbed by the niggers that infest your local favela.
>>68261453
t. a worshiper of the great wolf
>>68267529
>France
>>68267529
I'm British.. But as for posing a pic of niggers playing for the French nation football team, you trying to tell me if I looked for a pic of the national basketball team or any NFL team they would be all white?
Cmon senpai, even your president is a nigger.
>>68259995
Replace Christianity with Islam and you go from sarcastic to dead on.
>>68267529
oh, you mean like detroit, baltimore, new york, los angeles?
>merica
>white
![France%20football%20team%20topic[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/f1xeEyZ.jpg "France%20football%20team%20topic[1].jpg")
>>68267529
Meanwhile, in 2016.
>Using a selection of soccer players like it means anything
If soccer teams were supposed to represent national demographics, the French team would have one black guy and one arab while the American team would have three white guys.
>>68267715
>brit trying to talk shit about who's enriched and who isn't
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcuWqw2tT8
>>68267322
>I'll enjoy my white paradise of Central France
More like white reservation
This is going to sound stupid, but while I'd already believed that maybe people were being a little stupid over how bad Christianity/religion actually was, it wasn't until I'd started trying to mod Crusader Kings 2 and did research on different aspects of medieval life that I really seriously began to understand just how wrong that mindset really was.
>>68259995
I read The Book of Nothing.
It described the evolution of the ocncept of "zero", both the number and the concept of nothingness.
It highlighted a lot of development during the "dark ages".
Then I studied history at university.
>>68261453
The Christianization of Europe was patchwork. The worst of the forced conversions happened in Sweden under a king recently converted from Scandinavian paganism. Eastern Europe, from the balts onward, was purely cultural and diplomatic conversion. Kings and High Kings in the British Isles converted for monetary gain, and much like in continental Germany, when the King converted, his court and subjects followed suit out of tradition.
>>68267818
Please tell me more, Jamal.
![1101931118_400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BaQp6Yk.jpg "1101931118_400[1].jpg")
>>68267849
>More like white reservation
Uh-huh. Forgot about "muh Northwest Front" already?
>>68267865
Most people think the middle ages was literally like game of thrones
>Untouchable nobles raping peasants every day
>Literally every peasant was a farmer that worked the land until he dropped dead
>The clergy did nothing but get fat and preach
>There were no cities and there was no art, only poor villages and rich castles
>The fuck is a "Venice" anyway?
>>68262171
>German
>Talking about how Rome was destroyed
Not the Eternal Kraut there, Hans?
>>68259995
>When did you grow out of this stupid meme?
Never really believed in it, but for a good while I had little awareness of the advances made during medieval times.
>>68268103
America was filled with slaves for hundreds of years
you have no excuse.
>>68259995
It was islam that set us back 1000 years.
The amount of stupidity in this thread is showing why Jews are beating the white race.
>>68259995
Sorry but i'm not into worshiping jews and their tribal gods. Good day, sir.
Back in my edgy atheist days, I bought a Bible just to see exactly how stupid Christianity was. Half way through Genesis, I finally understood.
I'm not a believer, but you can't deny the profound effect Christianity has had on culture, art, and even science.
>>68268151
Yeah, and I went from being a mostly apathetic believer that the Middle Ages were bad because Christianity to one of the first people willing to jump in and tell people that if it wasn't for the Catholic Church and their disparate monk scribes and scholarly institutions and patronism of the arts that Europe wouldn't have become the seat of cultural, academic, and economic power that it had been up until it was forced to compete with a non-isolationist USA.
I mean fucking hell, the Renaissance couldn't happen without the centuries of spending sprees from the Pope on down the Catholic hierarchy for all the artists, writers, inventors, and scientists (hurrthechurchhaetscience)
The Middle Ages were nowhere near as shitty as most people think they were. No, they weren't a time I would have liked to live in, but holy fuck.
Also the vikings were fucking niggers, I don't know why we idolize them so much nowadays. The only interesting thing they created was the Commonwealth of Iceland, and that got swallowed up by the Kingdom of Norway relatively quickly anyway.
>>68259995
Anti Christians forever BTFO.
>>68268660
>Half way through Genesis, I finally understood.
I meant this in the sense that I realized how great Christianity is. I should practice my words.
>>68268350
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States
You went from 90% white in 1940 to under 65% white today . And you elected a nigger twice.
Fuck off Americuck.
>>68260086
There are more than 25 000 palaces and castles in Germany
Germany/Area
Image result for area of germany
137,903 mi2
>>68268350
http://nnm.me/blogs/lisrnd/karmannaya_religiya_kremlya_islam/
I'm sorry, but some people are intelligent enough to use reverse image search.
>America was filled with slaves for hundreds of years
Such a shame that:
1. America was >90% white until the 1960s
2. Latinos are overtaking whites, not blacks
>>68268806
You mean you understood how great judaism is? You should probably check out new testament for that.
>>68259995
>nog steeds gelovig in het huidige jaar
>impliceert geen enorme pauper te zijn
>>68259995
It's true. But you have to apply to reasoning beyond Christianity and to all religions. If the entire world was literally atheist we would be thousands of years more advanced.
>>68266845
no shit, it was the channel he was forced to work through
>>68269069
if by advanced you mean barbarians, sure.
>>68269069
If no one had said, "The Sun revolves around the Earth," no one would have challenged it and we'd still believe whatever the fuck the Sumerians believed.
>>68269135
Truly Bach was suffering from the great evil of Christianity and devoted time to studying the Bible, writing hymns, and all of it being paid for by Lutheran churches and local leaders when he could've instead been writing hymns to mighty Thor and his hammer.
>>68269002
The torah isn't relevant to Judaism, only the Talmud (which I doubt you have read)
>>68268901
Yeah we can afford being destroyed
You can't
>>68270508
>Yeah we can afford being destroyed
