Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Border Wall (HBO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI
Donald Drumpf wants to build a wall on the U.S-Mexico border. Is his plan feasible?
>>68246212
>trump
>assumed for not being utterly rich as fuck with several large corporate empires
Try harder cuck
>walls
>2016
It's time for words like Wall, Fence, and Border to go extinct.
>>68246378
This video and I have assumed nothing contradictory of such.
It seems you are implying that Donald Trump will use his own money to build the wall. I have never seen any article or video to suggest he would.
Try harder.
everytime you talk about the wall it gets 10ft higher
>>68246623
He's using his own money for his campaign, whats to say he wont help fund building the wall?
>>68246470
>It's time for words like Wall, Fence, and Border to go extinct.
Ahahahaha
I may be skeptical of building a literal wall along the US-Mexico border but I'm not a cuck as many on /pol/ would insist.
>>68246796
And what's to say he will? If we are honest with each other, both of us are making assumptions without any hard evidence. I don't doubt that it's a possibility but I don't see any reason to say so even to speculate that he will.
>>68246212
You've just been stumped.
>All that circlejerking in the comments
It's worse then /pol/ when we start bashing niggers.
>suddenly, in 2016, a fucking wall have turned into something impossible to build
>>68246212
>immigrants are less prone to violence. Well gee I wonder if that has something to do with them not wanting to get deported. Having no actually source to work off, I would also assume the study doesn't magically know the goings on of people working and living off the grid.
>implying maintaining a wall is more expensive than maintaining to lives of millions of shitcunts who don't pay substantial taxes.
>>68247029
Youre argument has just as much weight as mine dude
>>68247157
Do those estimates take into account upkeep and maintenance?
Trump’s dubious claim that his border wall would cost $8 billion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/
>Under the Secure Fence Act of 2006, the United States has already spent $2.4 billion for fencing across nearly one-third of the border (670 miles).
>The Government Accountability Office in 2009 said the cost to build a mile of the fence initially averaged between $2.8 million and $3.9 million. But that was in the easiest areas, near metropolitan centers; other areas in the desert or mountains could cost as much as $16 million a mile.
>So 1,000 miles of fences is at best $3 billion, and certainly much higher than that. A concrete wall would clearly be an order of magnitude. (We have not even begun to consider upkeep and maintenance. The Corps of Engineers estimated that the 25-year life cycle cost of the fence would range from $16.4 million to $70 million per mile; the total cost of the fencing so far has been $7 billion, according to the Congressional Research Service.)
>>68247157
>>68247646
Yes, the article takes into account Israel's Border Wall.
>We can also look at the Israel’s experience with building a separation barrier between Israeli-held areas and Palestinian-held areas. For the first 525 kilometers (326 miles), the cost was $2.6 billion. A simple calculation of expanding that to 1,000 miles yields a calculation of $7.99 billion, suspiciously similar to Trump’s estimate.
>But only one-tenth (33 miles) of the Israeli barrier is an eight-meter (25-foot) concrete wall. The other 90 percent is a two-meter (six-foot) high electronic fence. Trump says he wants a 1,000-mile long concrete wall.
>Assuming the cost of the fence was equivalent to the U.S. fence ($3 million a mile), that suggests about $1 billion of the cost was for the fence; the other $1.4 billion was for 33 miles of the wall (which was built in mostly metropolitan areas). Believe it or not, that translates to $42 billion for 1,000 miles of a 25-foot wall. (Recall that Trump wants a 35-to-40-foot wall.)
>>68246212
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/02/16/trump-border-wall-explainer-animation-orig-nws.cnn
>>68246212
Video not available in my cuck country. Anyone got a mirror?
>>68246212
AWESOME!
> Think of all that money going in to the economy!
>>68247157
>>68247646
>>68247713
Here is a full page screen shot of the article.
>>68246212
Even India built a wall(flood lit and part mined fence with Porkistan) when we were at our weakest state in the 90s. And who would have thought that helps keep mudslimes away.
>>68246796
>He's using his own money for his campaign
No he's not. He's lending his campaign money. Which means he'll get paid back.
>>68246623
The whole point is that Mexico is paying.
Trump will use his experience and business contacts to make sure it actually gets done and is done as efficiently as possible. What's so fucking hard to understand?
>>68246212
STOP MAKING THESE THREADS WITH YOU CLICK BAIT YOU FAGGOT SHILL
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>>68248467
Hey reddit shill, fuck off and get the fuck out of here cuck!
>>68248515
only if he wins
So the worst case scenario is that the Wall cost 25 billion over 4-6 year, so we'll say 5 billion a year.
5 billion
The Federal government spends 3.8 TRILLION a year, you're telling me he can't find 5 billion a year in our current spending somewhere?
Not to mention other savings, illegals are a drain on the economy, welfare costs, cost related to drugs the pour over the border, workers on the wall will pay income tax, companies working on the wall will pay corporate tax etc..
>>68246378
He went bankrupt like 4 times.
Had to close down Trump University and lot more of similar bullshit.
Also Congress has to approve it and with everyone hating Drumpf, good luck.
>>68248949
4 of his businesses went through chapter 11 bankruptcy, which is a restructuring. He's never declared chapter 7 bankruptcy
>>68248949
>He went bankrupt like 4 times.
So 2 of his 200+ companies had financial trouble, WHAT A FAILURE!
>100 years
>dig a giant canal through panama
>50 years ago
>put a man on the moon
>present time
>"y-you can't build a wall, i-it's gonna be too e-expensive, a-a-and nearly impossible!"
These cucks don't realise the wall gets higher every time you talk shit about it, of course it's going to cost a lot
>>68249151
>over 2000 years ago
>Chinese build a wall to keep Mongolians the fuck out using slave labor
>its 5,000 miles long
>D-drumpf can't b-b-build a 1000 mile wall! It's too expensive!
>M-mexico can't pay for the wall! T-that's slave labor!
>>68249151
Not to mention fucking CHYNA made it without modern tools.
>>68249557
>implying it will be mexicans building the wall
TEN
>>68249825
It's a win win. Either they build it for free or american workers get jobs.
>>68246212
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-replace-john-oliver-with-a-woman
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-replace-john-oliver-with-a-woman
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-replace-john-oliver-with-a-woman
ONLY 530
>>68248515
>The whole point is that Mexico is paying.
Mexico has said they won't way a cent. Unless a President Trump is willing to go to war, how is he going to get Mexico to pay?
If you are going to suggest to close the trade deficient, you need to understand that the money involved is predominately with private businesses, not the Mexican government. Having more American trade is not the same as Mexico either paying for the wall or hurting the Mexican government. Mexican business maybe but not the Mexican government. Private Mexican businesses buying more American products is not the same as the Mexican government paying for the wall. Even if you put a tariff on Mexican goods. This will make a disincentive to buy Mexican goods, depending on how high such a tariff is. Any tariff first hurts private businesses before it hurts the government. Again, it's not Mexican government paying for the wall.
>>68247713
That is still an almost nonexistent cost. The US budget is like 2.5t.
>>68246212
>18 minutes on donald drumpf
This guy is obviously butthurt and losing it.
>>68249557
Lol this. Imagine if the Chinese had bulldozers and dynamite. The great Wall of China would visible from space. Oh wait.. it already is.
>>68248405
Was is a wall of shit?
>>68250216
He said he's going to increase the price of work visas and special visitor visas for the higher ups of mexico.
Basically we are taxing them extra to get into our country legally to keep out the illegals.
>>68250810
That's one way of Mexico paying for the wall, I'll grant you that one. The question now is how much can realistically be made? Would it even be 5% of the costs of the wall?
>>68251149
It's not like they have to pay for everything upfront. The price increase would be permanent until it is payed for maybe forever.
He also so if necessary he would ban reissues of some of these passports to higher ups, and although he didn't say it with these words, for extortion. We don't need Mexico, Mexico needs us or wants us, I could give 2 shits if Mexico stopped shipping avocados if it meant they stopped bring Mexicans over.
And I honestly don't mind paying taxes for the wall, we would see it's return in not having our taxes going towards welfare, their healthcare and teaching their anchor babies. Also yes we do fund their healthcare I live in CA and I hear ads on the radio all the fucking advertising that you can get free health insurance even if you and your family are illegal.
>>68246212
wall iz dumb, lets take in 2M young muslim men a year and give dem welfare
thankz john!
>>68251700
and the insurance is through medi cal, not a private insurance company. But literally not spending money keeping these shits alive in our country would be enough savings to pay for the wall.
fuck illegal and legal immigrants from the 3rd world
Illegals cost this country billions annually; that cost can be allocated to the wall.
Also, building a wall will put people to work, which will create money.
Why are criminals so upset?
>>68248949
The funny thing about this is that CNN showed you can build it for 11 billion and it would take like 4 years
>>68246212
>Is his plan feasible?
Hungary's fence cost $106m for 109 miles
That's less than a million dollars a mile.
US-Mexico border is 2,000 miles, less than 2 billion USD. So 2 billion would be the absolute lowest.
But we want a wall, not a shitty fence.
Israel's wall(the wall part, not fence) cost $3.3m per mile. So that's 6.6 billion USD.
But fuck it, we want a REALLY tall wall so triple it.
It would still cost less than $20 billion USD.
fyi, we spend $113 billion usd per year on supporting illegals according to FAIRUS
http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies
But fuck all this shit.
WE ALREADY PAID OVER $32 BILLION USD FOR A GOD DAMN FUCKING FENCE DURING BUSH'S TERM YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
IT NEVER GOT COMPLETED BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS
>>68250484
nah that wouldn't stop you since you love poo so much :DD
>>68247735
>>68254399
that wall is going to be fucking beautiful
>>68255562
will probably look like shit on their side from graffiti
and that's just the way I want it
just like when blacks riot and loot their own towns thinking it somehow is hurting us
>>68255710
kek, yeah
>>68254399
Greatest civil project since the Hoover Dam or Ike's freeway system.
>>68255710
>just like when blacks riot and loot their own towns thinking it somehow is hurting us
Your taxes rebuild it and dole out welfare when businesses leave the city
>>68252697
Where did you get your numbers?
The Washington post says otherwise.
Trump’s dubious claim that his border wall would cost $8 billion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/
>We can also look at the Israel’s experience with building a separation barrier between Israeli-held areas and Palestinian-held areas. For the first 525 kilometers (326 miles), the cost was $2.6 billion. A simple calculation of expanding that to 1,000 miles yields a calculation of $7.99 billion, suspiciously similar to Trump’s estimate.
>But only one-tenth (33 miles) of the Israeli barrier is an eight-meter (25-foot) concrete wall. The other 90 percent is a two-meter (six-foot) high electronic fence. Trump says he wants a 1,000-mile long concrete wall.
>Assuming the cost of the fence was equivalent to the U.S. fence ($3 million a mile), that suggests about $1 billion of the cost was for the fence; the other $1.4 billion was for 33 miles of the wall (which was built in mostly metropolitan areas). Believe it or not, that translates to $42 billion for 1,000 miles of a 25-foot wall. (Recall that Trump wants a 35-to-40-foot wall.)
It would cost $42 billion for 1,000 miles of a 25-foot wall using Israel's costs of their 33 miles of the concrete wall portion.
>>68256959
state taxes pay for it
state taxes that are taken from things like welfare
>>68246212
Who the fuck cares how much the wall will cost if Mexico pays for it?
>>68257100
On their assumption that 1.4 billion was for 33 miles of concrete walls each mile is about $4,2424,242.42, based on my calculation.
>>68250216
>Unless a President Trump is willing to go to war
Being this delusional.
Could someone please put this hat on john oliver?
>>68257802
sure thing
>>68250249
Im just wondering whether the taxes on the visa holders and such that trump will implement to get mexico to pay for the wall will be enough to pay and possibly sustain the 45 billion dollar wall. anybody got a source that sais that this could be possible?
>>68246212
40 SECONDS IN AND HE SAID IT
TRUMP
JOHN OLIVER TACITLY ADMITS HIS MEME WAS FAILED
>>68257802
>>68246212
The cuck's ready for round 2?
>>68258812
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mexico-got-more-money-remittances-oil-revenues-2015-n510346
Remittances alone to Mexico break 24 Billion.
That's more than half the cost of the wall right there.
Illegal immigrants commit 15 murders a day, Oliver is off his rocker.
If Israel can have a wall, we can have a wall.
>>68261078
I have reservations of taxing remittances based on the principle of individuals keeping what they earn and doing what they want with it for the most part. Especially if those remittances are already taxed.
>>68259727
I wanted the cuck in the hat that shows his true colors.
>>68246212
Once the wall is built, this cuck has to go back.
>>68246212
Illegals cost the US over $100 billion per year just on welfare. That doesn't cover everything else.
Building a wall would be a lot cheaper than continuing this HUGE drain on our economy
>>68247157
American as fuck. Don't let some limey cuckold loyalist tell you what to do.
>>68247382
But we should totally spend billions on turning every car electric. Because polar bears.
>>68261503
>I don't want to stop people from exporting money out of the country for no reason at all.
Thank you for voicing your opinion.
>>68247565
>immigrants are less prone to violence
He just said immigrants, not illegal immigrants, which the wall would prevent. Weasel words from a weasel man.
>>68252045
What fucking idiot decided it was a good idea to give immigrants welfare? Why is this the norm? Let them starve or leave.
>>68246212
Am I the only Trump supporter that doesn't give a shit about the wall either way? I just think it's funny that he causes liberal meltdowns every time he mentions it.
>>68249151
These cuckolds are worthless and have no sense of innovation. We should build the wall from liberal corpses.
>>68249508
At the rate things are going it'll touch the stratosphere by the time it's built.
>>68250216
By seizing remittances, dumb-dumb, which Mexico is currently making more from than oil.
>>68261836
Your under the assumption that most illegal immigrants are coming over the border. There are instances of that fore sure but the illegal immigrants problem is one of overstayed visas.
New Pew Report Confirms Visa Overstays Are Driving Increased Illegal Immigration
http://cis.org/seminara/new-pew-report-confirms-visa-overstays-are-driving-increased-illegal-immigration
>The Pew Report states that "The vast majority of unauthorized immigrants entered the country without valid documents or arrived with valid visas but stayed past their visa expiration date or otherwise violated the terms of their admission."
>I've been warning that our biggest illegal immigration concern should be visa overstays, not the border since we published "No Coyote Needed: U.S. Visas Still an Easy Ticket in Developing Countries" five years ago. All of the problems identified in that report have intensified since 2008. We still have no system to track those who enter the country on short term visas; we still allow applicants to arrive as "tourists" and then adjust visa status so that they never have to go home; we still routinely give tourists a six-month stay on arrival and then let them extend for up to 18 months; and we still have shockingly high issuance rates in a variety of developing countries around the world. It should be no surprise that a larger and larger share of our illegal immigrant population arrives legally, most with tourist visas.
No Coyote Needed: U.S. Visas Still an Easy Ticket in Developing Countries (2008)
http://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2008/back208.pdf
This article, mind you, is from a conservative organization that is often cited on /pol/.
It makes more sense to use any money that would be used for a literal wall be for solving the visa issue.
>>68262592
You do realize that once we stifle the flow of illegals from the border it'll be easier to catch the ones that overstay their visas and deport them?
What's the first thing you do when you have a leaky pipe? Shut off the water.
>>68262592
>I don't know that Trump also wants to deport people who overstay visas and create an exit-entry tracking system
Sanders 2016 tho
>>68262917
>What's the first thing you do when you have a leaky pipe? Shut off the water.
That analogy would be better suited for legal immigration. Shut off employment of illegal immigrants and then fix the visa abuse
>easier to catch the ones that overstay their visas and deport them?
How so? The United States don't know where most of those who came on a visa now.
>>68261503
The remittances wouldn't be taxed, they'd be seized entirely. There is nothing morally or legally wrong with this as
1. The money was earned illegally
2. It's likely that a good portion of the money goes to cartel members/funds cartel operations
>>68263468
eVerify, a new exit-entry tracking system, and by strengthening ICE. That's it. So fucking simple. An idiot could do it overnight.
>>68246212
>Another 30% for design
Literally includes a blueprint and description of materials in OP's pic related
That will not cost you any substantial amount of money whatsoever.
Any jag-off can design a wall.
>>68246670
So people have only talked about the wall 3 times, it was originally 5 feet, now that 3 people have talked about it, it's 35 feet. We can't talk about it anymore, now it's gonna be 45 feet and we don't want this thing over 200 feets
