Hitchens on Reparations: Why he is FOR reparations for slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNu2GNx-kQ
Should have been 40 acres and a mule then we wouldnt have had to deal with any of this bullshit we're going through today
No takers?
>>68231815
I'll reply.
SCREW HIM!
>>68231815
He also supported the invasion of Iraq.
Peter > Christopher.
Slavery in the long run has given black people a much better way of life. If they don't believe that, have them go look at life in Africa.
>why is the leftist in support of slavery reparations
>>68231815
Hitchens was an old school liberal
As in, he was basically an un-cucked socialist. They don't exist anymore, essentially. To put this in perspective, his biggest enemy other than fascists and assorted crazy right wingers, were "people" like George Galloway
He believed in what he thought was right and didn't bullshit (except for fun).
He would have hated and denounced /pol/ while actively protecting it's right to speak. He would have done this while listing things this board is actually right about.
>>68232666
That very argument is countered in the video.
Chill out Satan.
So what. He was a leftist freak.
I'm for it, too. Any horribly ancient former slaves should be paid in full for services rendered. Everyone else, fuck off.
>>68231969
why not 40 acres and a mule for every black person, every generation?
hey, they didn't give my ancestors a 'good' 40 acres.
as long as others are doing better than them -- which will always be the case -- they'll be bitching.
>>68232666
>Slavery in the long run has given black people a much better way of life. If they don't believe that, have them go look at life in Africa.
This is bait. Buy I Will reply anyway.
You know what would have been more beneficial than slavery? Trade. The places that Europe traded with did very well and continue to do well today. The places Europe invaded and colonized are did badly and are still shit.
>>68232936
He didn't counter anything. He said people that make that argument do so out of guilt and that it's changing the subject and shouldn't be considered as if it's not objectively true that West Africa was not a shithole and does not continue to be a shithole.
>>68231815
>be Hitchens
>be either a (literal) cancerous Jew-worshiping faggot or a Bible-thumping "born again" Jesus freak
What a fucking vile family.
>>68233031
Why? Bring it back I say. Fuck it.
>>68232601
True, I've always kind of wondered if he'd still be for it were he still alive. Then again, Trump also supported the war, reluctantly or not.
>>68231815
Sad!
>>68231815
He is also for smoking,and look where that got him!
>>68232936
Also his example is fucking ridiculous. Equating the repair and return of statue to it's "rightful owners" to paying a group of people reparations for something they nor any of their relatives experienced.
Is this really the infamous Christopher Hitchens, the atheistic intellectual "heavyweight"? Because this was intellectual lazy and not well thought out argument on his part. Doesn't speak so well for the communities that constantly carry him on their shoulders.
>>68231815
Do you get money if you are black in the US but came after slavery? Do you have to contribute to the fund if you are white and came to the US after slavery?
If the EU were to send large amounts of money to Africa, more than they already do I assume it would just be the colonial powers that would have to do it. Where is Ireland's money? We were colonized and brutalized and enslaved too.
So many white Americans have Irish roots because they went to the US as slaves.
>>68233231
>The places Europe invaded and colonized are did badly and are still shit.
except for places like Hong Kong and Singapore, right?
>>68231815
He is dead, and according to his own godless worldview, he is now irrelevant, unless you're interested in decaying bodies or something.
>>68232666
If I make you my sex slave, pounding your ass daily, but give you a roof over your head and a comfortable lifestyle, you should be grateful.
I will proceed to demand reparations from the northafrican nations for the enslavement of my people
>>68233231
>The places Europe invaded and colonized are did badly and are still shit.
Just like the country you're currently living in?
>>68233231
Slavery was trade, you goob. It was absolutely the norm everywhere in the world at the time. Hitchens says we can never make up for the Middle Passage, but actually we can. Britain, Norway, and Denmark were the first countries to ban slavery. There were ~600,000 casualties in the Union Army because they sought to abolish slavery.
Colonization was the best thing that happened to Africa. Is apartheid awesome? No. But it's better than having the highest sexual assault rate in the world.
Can we actually talk about what the fuck is going on in Africa?
How is it that STILL not one nation has their shit together?
>>68232601
>He also supported the invasion of Iraq.
Invading Iraq was a good thing but the US left 4 NO RASIN
>>68233613
Dude, actually go look up Christopher Hitchens. The man had NO principles, save hating God.
He flip flopped on every other issue almost daily..
He was a cuck.
>>68234587
It's either they're consistently stupid, or there was a forced underdevelopment of certain parts of Africa caused by imperialists
>>68234587
South Africa is exactly why I will never be for reparations
When you give reparations, it's not like settling a debt. You don't just "move on" with society after that. Once you give people money for injustice in the past, they'll demand more, and more. After all, what do they have to lose?
>>68234467
Nice job fgt but not even related to what's going on.
If someone kidnapped your grandmother, from a third world shithole, raped her repeatedly, then set her free, and she had kids in a first world country, THEN you would have a comparable argument.
Fucking leaves man, I swear.
>>68231815
Reperations == free trip to anywhere in africa, and your no longer a citizen of USA.
Blam that's it, done, fuck all this diversity quotas and black only shit, that's it, done.
Stay and be equal or fuck off.
>>68234863
I'd still have a grudge if that happened to me desu,
probably against the guy that did it instead of his nation tho
>>68234808
Check out the ideal plan for reparations from the NAACP. It's not simply giving every black person in America a check.
"BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the NAACP call upon the United States Government and several foreign countries which participated in or benefited from the African slave trade countries to make such investments to improve the conditions of 2010 African-Americans through better schools, health clinics, job training, environmental cleanup of landfills, and other such environmental injustice to allow the people of color damaged by slavery’s policies to develop the health and economic standards of the entire country."
>>68234742
Well now that I've had a taste of what he has to offer, I don't really see why I should. He uses a false analogy to make his point and then claims that anyone using a "slippery slope" as a counter argument towards his view and basically doesn't need to be addressed.
He's a literal /pol/ shitposter and not a very good one.
>>68235186
all of that's been done. They just don't label it reparations, I guess because they're holding out for more free shit.
>>68234863
I should be happy that someone raped my grandmother? And I should be happy that my grandmother and her children were treated like second-class citizens in that first world country?
The argument is comparable, because you are justifying a great evil because they might be better off in the end.
Perhaps another argument would be if your rich wife were an abusive bitch who was also fucking a black man behind your back, but you decided to stay with her because you would be better off as a cuck with a wealthy spouse, as would your children, than to leave her.
I don't even support reparations, but I cannot agree with this line of reasoning.
>>68231815
Because he's a filthy atheist and as such his opinion is instantly dismissed.
At least BEST Hitchens is still alive.
>>68235451
you're right, all of that has been done and everyone's equal now in America
>>68234270
Very good points. But i would guess it is a simple case of blacks getting money off whites.
>>68235275
Don't you have some ladyboys to court Chakrii?
Hitchens is my God.
>>68235525
No you dumbass, you shouldn't be happy about what happened to your grandmother. I'm black, and I am not happy about slavery.
I am, however, aware that the africans sold each other into slavery in those days, America is one of, if not, the best place for a person of african origin, and the people living today have NOTHING to do with what happened back then.
>>68231815
Canada did this with some of the natives.
We paid them off, settled the land claims, and that's that. No more special favors, no more tax free reserve, you are now equal and can't whine and cry anymore. Problem solved.
Even better the natives permitted their own people to finally own their land and build wealth instead of just renting it for eternity.
You should pay off the nignogs and shred every affirmative action type legislation, all special favors.
>>68235560
Scary ain't it, dying?
Shouldn't the UK pay reperations?
>>68235806
I wouldn't know
>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>>68235641
It would be impossible to organize. Say you are half white and half black? Say you had to prove lineage to actual slaves that are on record but most of them couldnt. There would be riots. Blacks that didnt get money would attack blacks that did.
What happens if you have a black slave ancestor as the great great great great grandfather of hundreds of people who now look white due successive generations of breeding with white people?
Its a mine field.
>>68235770
>you shouldn't be happy about what happened to your grandmother
But you should be grateful of the circumstances that led to you being born in the United States (i.e. having your grandmother kidnapped, raped, sold into slavery, etc.).
Look at the original premise I responded to: "Slavery in the long run has given black people a much better way of life."
>and the people living today have NOTHING to do with what happened back then
I didn't say that they didn't.
>>68235944
To know that in some sixty years your beautiful life cuts to black..there's only nothingness, no more consciousness. Just as it used to be, before you were born. Prepare yourself, faggot. This is the only life you're going to get.
>>68235819
Just to everyone alive today that live in countries that it conquered during the empire.
>>68235792
>a leafing fuck
>>68231815
>Why he is FOR reparations for slavery.
Because it's [the current year]
>>68236098
>Just as it used to be, before you were born.
>he doesn't remember his past life
>>68233258
>He said people that make that argument do so out of guilt
I wonder if this is the same guilt people use to argue FOR reparations.
>>68231815
>tfw I used to think Christopher was the better brother in my fedora days
>tfw I now realise how much of a degenerate Christopher actually was
SAVE US PETER
>>68236062
>But you should be grateful of the circumstances that led to you being born in the United States (i.e. having your grandmother kidnapped, raped, sold into slavery, etc.).
Yes you should. I am. Are you seriously telling me that I shouldn't? That I should regret being the USA and not in some African tribe shitting in my own drinking water and chucking spears at lions
>I didn't say that they didn't.
Didn't say you did, I'm just telling you how I came to my own conclusion, as a person who had ancestors who were american slaves. But it's a common argument for reparations and/or white guilt. The people living today aren't responsible for what happened in the past.
>>68236175
And for the Irish too right? Where are my gibes? What about the vast number of british poor stolen from the streets and slums and sent to the US as slaves?
As an heir to family that helped blacks escape with the underground railroad, when do I get paid? Its not like any if the blacks came back and repaid us for the food, clothes, shelter, and safe passage from slavery.
No, instead 12 years ago some nigger killed my grandma as she was getting in her car at a grocery store.
>>68233182
>why not 40 acres and a mule for every black person, every generation?
Technically it is, assuming the guy isn't an idiot and passes it on to his children rather than squander it. But then again if most blacks had done that they would be like the Chinese today...
>>68236374
You're using the words of Hitchens right now.
~5:50--"Beware when someone tries to make the best the enemy of the good."
>>68236265
>"One of the most shameful nights of my life was the night my brother brought home Helena. Busty, tight arse, blowjob lips. Everything. Literally everything I dream about every night.
>He fucked her. He fucked her in front of his virgin little brother. In every which way he could, and took his time doing it. His blue eyes staring into mine looked like that of a corpse's.
>Yet at that moment he was experiencing pleasure I knew that I never could.
>At one point she stopped sucking (Complete with the horrendous, loud sound of suction being cut off), and said with the uttermost of venom in her strong Brooklyn accent: "what the fuck is wrong with you"?
>"I don't know .." I replied.
>My admittedly rather well endowed brother then bent her over and took her from behind .. vaginal. The stare continued, a haunting expression of what to this day I still am still not sure what of. Although I do suffer from Asperger's Syndrome, I do believe that even the most emotionally capaple human being would have trouble reading it.
>She screamed and moaned and slowly called his name in a rather erotic manner. It was then that I became aroused, and then it suddenly hit me properly: here I stood, with an erection, watching my atheist degenerate brother enjoying this young maiden. I knew life would never ever be the same.
- excerpt from the biography of Peter Hitchens
>>68231815
This video is a great example of why the right needs to reject Christian morality.
Until you do, you're going to be answering for the weak degenerates of society until the end of time. Exalt the strong. Accept virtue ethics and this doesn't become an issue.
Blacks became slaves because they still didn't have wheels when we had battleships. It's that fucking simple. The strong dominating the weak is the animal, human condition, get used to it.
The funding that is given to majority black areas is usually off the fucking charts.
>>68236590
No I am not. I am saying that there are people other than black americans that got the same bad deal.
They deserve money too. Not me obviously but Irish americans in the US are mostly descended from indentured servants which was little better than slavery and just as brutal.
>>68236713
>>68231815
Peter is the better brother by the way.
>>68236953
Of course a Britcuck would say that.
>>68236889
That is exactly the point of the quote. That argument is making the BEST the enemy of the good. While I agree with the sentiment and analogy if Irish, it's a different situation and argument.
>>68237208
>This is the quality of Dutch "argument"
>>68231815
Why do atheists worship this neocon kike again?
Is it just because of his religion shit talk?
>>68236953
>>68237208
>>68237290
“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
>>68236713
cuck
>>68237290
Religion is for the most part degenerate and Peter Hitchens happens to be a Christian.
>>68237410
Yeah, I don't care about that. His books are good and his ideology is far better than the Marxist/Neocon Christopher.
>>68237367
Go back to the YouTube comments section.
>>68237236
No its literally
>You might have been treated the same but you cant have it because you are white
That argument is entirely racist. If the money is owed to blacks its certainly owed to Irish Americans too but their white skin is used as a reason to say they deserve nothing.
No one will ever get reparations. Its a dumb idea anyway. My ancestors conquered Ireland and their ancestors were likely conquered by someone too.
>>68236713
Been a while since I saw this pasta.
>>68237340
His stance on religion, particularly the issue with Islam and how he points out clergy is partly to blame for the downfall of the UK. He spared very few people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9jx4xE2pgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0xFpu6Hgw
>>68237367
Christopher Hitchens is a pseudo-intellectual's bukkake.
>>68237741
It doesn't take a genius to shit on religion, specially Islam.
If that's why atheists like you worship a neocon kike like him, you are dumber than i thought.
>>68237541
> I don't care about that.
> Taking anybody seriously that thinks a deity who takes interest in who we fuck, how we slaughter animals and who we marry put us on this planet.
Take this video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zT8ekF74YM
He makes a nice case against immigration, but we all know Christopher would have been 10000x more convincing and to the point. Moreover he warned us of these problems decades ago, before the time when Europe was basically already lost.
>>68238049
> It doesn't take a genius to shit on religion, specially Islam.
Our media have serious problems discussing the the threat of Islam. Blame it on a lack of geniuses or them upholding a certain political agenda, it's not getting better.
>>68238098
>He makes a nice case against immigration, but we all know Christopher would have been 10000x more convincing and to the point.
Christopher approved of immigration. His only issue was with Islam, he was fine with immigrants generally. For Peter immigration is a problem regardless of who is coming because of the impact it has on the people. Which makes him superior to Christopher on that issue.
>Taking anybody seriously that thinks a deity who takes interest in who we fuck, how we slaughter animals and who we marry put us on this planet.
I really don't care about this, I care about people's politics. I don't consider his Christianity an issue at all.
>>68233231
>The places Europe invaded and colonized are did badly and are still shit.
Yeah, like the US, Canada, Australia and NZ? Singapore and Hong Kong? SA during the apartheid?
>>68236895
>>68237391
>>68237667
>I entered the Moroccan Harem with the small, but still present hope that I would finally lose my virginity. I was greeted by six busty Muslim girls with big juicy arses; which I wanted to slap like a crazed gorilla.
>Before I knew it they were upon me, rubbing my chest and shoulders. They slowly but surely applied some pressure and and I fell to the floor. I was on my back and each one of these tarts was holding down a specific part of me to ensure I couldn't stand up .. or escape.
>Two of the whores removed their clothing, and before I knew it two sets of big, lucious tits then started squirting milk into my mouth. I swallowed every drop, occasionally gargling. I couldn't believe my luck. Still pinned down by four women, the naked couple then walked to each side of my head and squatted. This was the closest to fanny I had ever been in my life.
>And then the waterworks broke loose. Torrents of vile, yellow, horrendously smelly piss bathed my face. I tried to scream but only a horrendous gargling sound could escape. I had never been so humiliated. How DARE these vile women do this to me? And I was utterly helpless to do anything ...
>Then the finale, after the vile cows had finished urinating, one remained squatted whilst the other stood up, put one leg over my chest, and resumed the squatting position; arse directly above my face. Within 15 seconds a loud gasser came thundering out of her fartclappers. I quickly raised my head and attempted to inhale every odourous whiff I could.
>I thought it would end with the fart, but when I saw the brown log pertruding from her big round cheeks I stopped attempting to inhale and quickly moved my head back. I of course tried to run .. this was futile, I was strapped down. Slowly but surely, this big, fat, smelly log fell out of her and landed in my mouth, which was open from screaming at the top of my lungs. I was hoping to get fucked. I had been cucked.
- excerpt from Peter Hitchens biography
>>68235563
Nice leap of logic retard.
Funny thing is that your argument proves how shit blacks are. Even with all the dats they're already gibben they're still drains on society
>>68238328
So? There's nothing wrong with controlled, legal immigration (Douglas Murray also makes sensible points about immigration) You don't seem to understand that Islam is literally the most cancerous of all problems that your country is facing right now. It's no surprise that British imams say that London is more Islamic than many cities in the Muslim world. "I wouldn't even board my dog there"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12189064/London-more-Islamic-than-Muslim-world-scholar.html
>>68238745
>There's nothing wrong with controlled, legal immigration
Neocon scum please go.
>>68237741
Non Islamic religious types are very very excited by the violence that Muslims will commit in the demand for privileges. They expect to get those privileges by default.
>>68238314
There seems to be a lot of people in Europe nowadays that seem to be discussing the problem with Islam, even if they are not part of the mainstream media (Tommy Robinson is great).
I still don't see why you have to worship a dead neocon who contributed to the immigration problem in Europe by endorsing Bush.
>atheists literally idolize a cuck
>>68238820
Please Achmed, I think at this point even a yearly quota of 100.000 Jamaicans working low-skilled jobs is preferable to the number of sandniggers that have, and will continue to infest your once-great Kingdom.
>>68238936
That and most of them are probably envious as fuck of the respect and tolerance we are supposed to have for savage Muslims (as opposed to how we're allowed to say pretty much anything insulting about Christians)
>>68238974
> There seems to be a lot of people in Europe nowadays that seem to be discussing the problem with Islam
Not nearly enough, and too little too late. Few politicians in power who consider repressing Islam a priority. Orban is one of the very few exceptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbINrdyAXlE
>>68233231
Tell that to India's infrastructure
>>68231815
He was a liberal before.
>>68239162
Shouldn't you be in class?
>>68231815
He's been dead long time.better get smarter.OP
>>68239741
You will see lots of christian types demanding curbs on speech against Islam.
ps Christianity wants those protections too.
>>68231815
Every group of people has suffered some form of oppression. stop holding dindu's above everyone else
