It must really suck living in a country where you have to fear for your life because there are guns everywhere. I must say it feels good not live in a gun fanatic country whose gun crime is out of control. Thanks based Johnny!
>>68222030
It must really suck living in a country where you have to fear for your life because there is a tyrannical government. I must say it feels good not live in a nanny state country whose laws making is out of control. Thanks based founding fathers
>OP flag
>>68222030
it feels as if I have two dicks, but one of my dicks could kill people.
exactly. I know I might get into a fist fight if I'm around drunk chads or undergrads, but they probably won't even keep hitting if I go down.
How terrible that criminals often use illegal firearms for heinous acts.
Now if only we banned all legal firearms, the problem would resolve itself!
Yeah, I know ! Paris is so safe right now ! And Belgium is really safe too thanks to gun control !
Faggot
>>68222147
>nanny state
Coming from the guy whose country literally passed the Patriot Act and established the NSA.
Your guns won't save you from your already tyrannical government, dickhead.
>>68222030
I am so frightened!
But I can't imagine living in a country where giant flightless birds beat up people
>>68222030
>It must really suck living in a country where you have to fear for your life because there are poisonous creatures everywhere. I must say it feels good not live in a poisonous creature infested country whose bite and sting incidents are out of control. Thanks based funnelweb!
>>68222030
Shut the fuck up you cocksucker shill
>>68222218
>ameriguns then claim they aren't compensating for anything
>>68222030
stop this shitposting, cunt
>>68222030
Gotta love that straw man. I believe the actual argument was why don't schools have security like banks and sports games have?
>>68222030
It must really suck living in a country where you lose wars to emus and are only there because britian didnt want you
>>68222218
insecure faggot detected
>>68222297
>A guy watching me masturbate encase I'm a terrorist is the same as getting my guns taken away
Don't forget your country also does spying on it's citizens, you had yoru own snowden
>>68222297
See, you say that, but at least I can say that the holocaust didn't happen, while just having that text on your screen might get your door kicked down.
Most aussie shitposters are alright, but you can fuck right off.
HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU SUPPORT GUN CONTROL?
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>>68222304
Come on guys. The more you do this, the more backpackers will go missing in Aus.
I'd rather have guns because I hate to think about some nigger raping my wife while he murders my children and I..
>>68222030
I'm in fear becaose of the lack of guns among citizens, because only criminals have them. Thanks, government.
>>68222446
all of them
>>68222407
And yet Australia is still a better place to live than the United Kuckdom. Bin that knife and stop raping those little kids, Mohammad.
>>68222468
Oh we are triggering their criminal roots?
Ban cars, cigarettes, soda, fast food, running, skateboards...Basically anything because humans are dumb and can't be trusted with anything.
>implying those kids couldn't have been saved by an armed teacher
The more non-whites your country has the more you need guns
>>68222506
>Bin that knife
>from the country that banned fucking nerf guns
dude
>>68222030
If teachers were armed, you strawman shitposter
Remember, people, look at OP's flag before responding.
>>68222559
>>68222030
Well, you are statistically more likely to be murdered by indigenous wildlife in Australia, than to be murdered by a gunman in the US, so...
>>68222383
>>68222424
thatsthejoke.jpg
>>68222147
>>68222218
>>68222260
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>>68222304
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>>68222679
You guys are all retarded. Here is an intelligent guy who refutes all your shitty pro-gun arguments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ8a6q8z-Og
>>68222704
Why can you not use that second gun for hunting?
>>68222704
Guess that's why it's called the bill of needs, eh? Oh wait. You don't need all those muslims in your country but you're taking them anyways.
>>68222506
Bin that enfield and stop losing wars to emus, keith
>>68222704
I hunt rabbit, deer and coyote with an ar15
>>68222758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM
The AR15 is the defensive rifle of the United States citizen.
Only the enemy is offended by it.
>>68222753
pretty shit joke if i'm honest ladfam
>>68222704
>>68222228
>probably
you're thinking about whites, who have the capability to show restraint. this is not true of niggers or brown people.
Why is OP such a massive faggot?
>>68222758
>you guys are all retards
>links jew tube as "proof"
Stay Austistic m8
>>68222030
>It must really suck living in a country where you have to fear for your life because there are guns everywhere.
It sucks even more living in a country where cultural marxists have hijacked all 3 branches of the government and are working 24/7 to undermine the founding values of my nation using propaganda methods that would make Goebbels blush.
>>68222559
Guns dont shoot people. People with guns shoot people.
We have a choice: ban guns or ban people.
>>68222030
Posts from a country that gave up all their gun rights when a actual retard whose main hobbies were bestiality and teddybears shot up tazzie.
You are safe from all the bikeys and abos I reckon.
Ah another Australian liberal who should come to the USA and buy a gun just so he could anhero and get out of the way of the planet's sensible and rational inhabitants who like defending themselves and take pride in it. Stay cucked, Aussie mangina retard. God I hate you fuckers.
>>68222820
Using a rifle to shoot a pig? Manly.
>>68222383
Indeed, I'm compensating for disproportionate power held by people at the higher rungs of society than I am.
By arming myself I am provided the means to protect my life and my rights as a human to flourish regardless of if a tyrant may wish to take those from me.
I also train muay thai and jiu jitsu at a nearby gym to compensate for lack of size, strength or technique that may be possessed by anybody who wishes to do me harm.
I arm myself and prepare myself regardless of if any harm does befall me because I realize this world is not meant to look after my well being, only I am in charge of that. If you can't trust yourself to be able to cope with any situation no matter how grim you are more useless than even the weakest of women or children.
>>68222903
I think you'll find cultural capitalists seized control of Government in the early 1980s.
The Founding Fathers were anti-free trade.
How does this make you feel?
>>68222442
>projecting this hard
>>68222996
dont you have a plastic spoon to turn in?
>>68222996
>gets proven wrong
>resorts to ad hominem
>>68222996
Can you just stop being such a cock-fag now? Youre making everyone else in the country look bad.
And what else do you shoot a hog with, your nerf gun cus thats the only thong mummy lets u have?
>>68222996
>a destructive wild boar
>pig
You guys do have an education system right?
>>68222820
So we've established two things ITT:
1) Americans are all weak and insecure beta males who need guns to feel better about themselves
2) Americans suck in hunting to the point where they need a AR-15 to shoot their prey.
>>68223017
now this is a better attempt at a joke
good job anon, you tried
>>68223077
Nice kit
>>68223017
nice copypasta desu senpai
>>68223026
>I think you'll find cultural capitalists seized control of Government.
If this were remotely true, things would be getting less expensive, and the country would be getting richer and more prosperous, not the other way around.
Having freedom and choices is a good thing.
>>68223112
How exactly does it take less or more skill to use an AR-15 as compared to a regular hunting rifle?
I know Aussies are addicted to shitposting but man, you're just dumb.
>>68223112
>need
There's that word again
>>68223112
you do know using an ar 15 doesn't make hunting any easier
>>68222996
And.. how did you kill your last hog, Nigel? Poisoned tea?
>>68223112
ITT: Ausfags are jealous they can't have shiny rifles
>>68223206
inb4 something about 30-round clipazines not being fair to the animal.
>>68222030
Sorry Ameribros, sometimes cucks from Melbourne break containment to shitpost like this.
A lot of us actually do want our SLRs back and will soon buy Adlers out of pure spite for Green voting cucks.
>>68223112
>sucking at hunting
Naw just efficient m8..
Maybe I should come down and help with the emus
>>68223235
Of course it does retard. It's too easy and unfair to the animal and it shows that you Americans can't even hunt properly.
Fucking shitcunts.
>>68223338
How would you know?
>>68223338
How?
>>68223338
>of course it does
Example plz
>>68223338
Lol where do you draw the line between fair and unfair? Hand to hand combat?
I'll bet you wouldn't wander the outback unarmed.
>>68223156
>If this were remotely true
What do you think the "Washington Consensus" is?
>things would be getting less expensive,
When demand increases and supply falls prices go up. That's how markets work.
>and the country would be getting richer
The Rich are now richer than they ever have been in history. The rest of us are getting worse off; this is because the returns on wealth grow faster than the overall economy.
>Having freedom and choices
Your "freedom" is decided for you.
>>68223405
I live in the outback you weakling
>>68223438
What is that like?
Do you enjoy your lifestyle?
>>68223112
Aussie shitposters preparing for the emu hunt..
Whatever Ausfag
I'd like to see you try and take our guns away.
>muh drones
Right because a drone is gonna know where every armed American is. It doesn't work that way, you need troops on the ground to enforce a gun grab and most of the grints who will have to do that will defect the moment such an order is given.
It bit the bait I know but this shitposting is getting out of hand
>>68222030
Oh wow look at all th gun crime here in Texas, look at out neighborhoods constantly in fear of drive by shooters
We should be more like Chicago and France amiright???
>>68223438
How's the steak?
>>68223517
I sorta want to take that gun away. And repaint it.
>>68222030
MUH FEELINGS
>>68223558
To be this jelly
>>68222030
>straya
>not a tyrannical government
>>68222996
Hey fuck you buddy, don't you talk to my colonies like that.
>>68223338
> too easy
>unfair to the animal
Top. Fucking. Kek
Fag.
>>68223613
No I seriously can't stand that color, it's disgusting. 2A gives you the right to bear arms, not the right to paint them puke fucking yellow. Freedom of expression was a mistake.
>>68223491
It's lovely, senpai.
>>68223517
So your basic argument as to there should be guns is because you believe that the government will one day turn against its own people? Are you people really that paranoid? Be realistic, moron.
>>68223645
The whole point of hunting is for there to be at least a challenge you fucking shitposter.
>>68223338
I'm from Texas and I literally have never met anyone that hunts with an AR
It's always an old bolt action
>>68223617
>Any country on Earth at this point
>not tyrannical
At this point it's all shitposting about what you can get away with while the master's not watching. Dick swinging over whose country is "less tyrannical" is stupid when they all band together to spy and subjugate.
>>68223276
>>68223678
Not because the government WILL one day turn against its people, but because it COULD. I don't know why you think western democracies are unique in the history of the world and are immune to tyranny.
>>68223739
Hunters are disproportionately fudds. No reason not to hunt with an AR unless you're hunting game that .223 might be insufficient for, and even then you might as well use a semi-automatic rifle. Nobody's hunting at ranges where bolt action's marginally greater accuracy is remotely relevant.
>>68223678
I bet you wouldn't be so pro-gun if one your family members or close friends were killed in a mass shooting, retards.
>>68222943
banning guns encourages hot break ins, armed robbery, and over all more heinous crime.
70 year old ladies can kill tyrome and his 4 buddies at 3 am by her self in her apartment. Can your grandma?
>>68223509
its too late
The Emus have won..
>>68223732
Ummmm
Again, Texasfag here
We also hunt for traditions, for the sake of family and to be together, I love deer, hog, quail, and duck meat, so there's that.
We also hunt to make sure deer and other game don't over populate and end up starving
Do you even try to look this stuff up?
>>68223431
>When demand increases and supply falls prices go up. That's how markets work.
And currently the market has as astronomical amount of artificial demand piled on by the government in hundreds of different markets that are causing the quality to plummet and the price to skyrocket.
Food, Housing, Cars, Energy, Higher Education, Medicine off the top off my head would all be an order of magnitude less expensive if they weren't almost entirely run by government.
>The Rich are now richer than they ever have been in history. The rest of us are getting worse off; this is because the returns on wealth grow faster than the overall economy.
>The Rich
So are you at all aware of the completely evil actions of people like George Soros Diane Feinstein? Do you actually realize who the controlling class is and what they're doing? Or do you just villify anybody who has more money than you do?
>Your "freedom" is decided for you.
I am intimately aware of the fact that cultural marxism took over the country in the 60's and brainwashed two generations of people to hate freedom. I know who the controllers are, I know they use central banking(which is communism, it's in the communist manifesto, go look it up) to loot our wealth and move it out of the country. I know exactly how the mass scam works, and so do a lot of people here.
I think you need to go do some more research and try putting your feels in check long enough to figure out logically what's going on.
>>68223732
>Says the cuck who has never hunted.
The whole point of hunting is: killing an animal for food, dipshit.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>68222704
What's a competitive shooting and personal defense. Also it feels safe as fuck if you are not a giant pussy. I would actually feel a little bad for the poor dumb son of a bitch that tried to kick down my door.
>>68223856
Tyrone doesn't carry a gun.
>>68223847
I quite like these people who think the NRA is some sort of shady organisation that tries to subvert the US and destroy babies.
>>68223881
And now they're taking your women.
I'm so sorry, man.
>>68223847
Actually that's why I started carrying everywhere.
>>68223959
Why do you think Tyrone does not carry a gun?
>>68223813
Dude all I can tell from your posts is that you've either never shot a gun or have hunted before
I can't tell if you're being retarded on purpose or what, either way I guess...you win?
>>68223924
Also pest control. And sometimes a challenge. Lots of reasons to hunt, none of which disappear when you elect to use a modern rifle.
>>68223976
Where do they think that "gun money" comes from? Manufacturers like ruger who get rich off of making bullshit like CA compliant ARs? It comes from ordinary Americans who like their goddamn rights.
Flimsy bait ausbro. But I'll be damned if it wasn't effective. You all got owned by the god shitposter.
>>68224061
I've done both. What did I say that was not correct?
>>68222030
the argument against gun control is a legal argument called the 2nd amendment
get shit on OP
>>68224061
You're stupid
>>68222030
Your giant spiders and poisonous snakes scare me more than guns
>>68223338
funny how you still couldnt win against the emus
>>68223847
I've lost more than a few friends to motorcycles, and I still own one. Your point is invalid and a terrible attempt at appeal to emotion.
To perhaps encourage a few fence sitters I will explain why your argument is shit.
Zero correlation between gun ownership and violent crime.
Zero correlation to safety and gun ownership.
Zero correlation to murders and firearms.
Guns do not make you safer, yet they do actually give equal footing to protect or kill for the elderly, the feeble, and the small.
But shooting is fun, hunting is fun, and owning a gun makes the less intelligent marxists grumpy, so buy one today and exercise your inalienable rights.
Ha!
Sorry you Aussie faggots didn't have based founding fathers :^) the Constitution is literally the greatest document of all time and there's nothing you can do about it
>>68223921
>And currently the market has as astronomical amount of artificial demand piled on by the government
That's because "free market" experiments have failed. Strutural Adjustment has been a failure in its own terms.
>Food, Housing, Cars, Energy, Higher Education, Medicine off the top off my head would all be an order of magnitude less expensive if they weren't almost entirely run by government.
Those damn health and safety regulations!
> Or do you just villify anybody who has more money than you do?
Do you support those who made they wealth in a corrupt corporatist society?
>I am intimately aware of the fact that cultural marxism took over the country in the 60's
Post Structuralism destroyed Marxism in the late 1960s.
>. I know who the controllers are, I know they use central banking(which is communism, it's in the communist manifesto, go look it up) to loot our wealth
heh
Neoliberalism has offshored jobs, not "Marxism"...
>I think you need to go do some more research
heh
>>68223338
What nobody seems to be pointing out in this thread is that your average babykiller AR fires 5.56 NATO rounds, which are alright for the battlefield but qualify as "varmint" rounds in hunting, good enough for coyotes but not much bigger animals. Your average bolt action hunting rifle that most countries deem safe for their neutered citizens to own pack far more power and range in a single bullet than an ar-15.
In addition, hog hunting (which is done out of necessity because hogs are dangerous pests that are extremely destructive to the environment) recommends high-powered, semi-auto rifles, because one shot cycled through a bolt action won't even slow a pissed off hog down. Ar-10s are highly recommended for hog hunting, as they provide both speed and power to take down a boar. The fact that they look scary as well does nothing to increase their lethality over regular hunting rifles
>>68224062
A challenge? With a gun? No, I'd say that takes away all the challenge right there. Of course, numbfucks tend to fall out of tree stands, or accidentally shoot their own hunting dogs -- ... oh nevermind.
>>68224059
I'd rather have tyrome with a gun and granny with a gun, than tyrome and granny without a gun... granny is now getting raped, and killed in front of her picture of you while she screams out ANON WHY DID YOU BAN GUNS! Basically you killed and raped your grandmother with bbc. you're fucking disgusting.
>>68224094
There's hundreds of reasons to hunt with calibers other than .233
First off, that round was made to mame, not kill. If you look up 5.56 and 223 they are pretty much the same, and part of the strategy behind the calibers is that a wounded soldier requires help, which would require more people to come over and get shot
2ndly, the reason why you don't use an AR to hunt is that you shouldn't need more than 2 bullets max, anything that requires more than 1 bulletin means you're not using a big enough caliber
Again, 223/5.56 is meant for people, bolt action rifles usually have .243, .300winmag, 30-06 because there's also no bullet drop, and they also penetrate better and have hollow point options
>Le mass shootings having statistical significance meme
Lol, GTFO.
>>68224215
I can't buy one because my country isn't filled with paranoid idiots. It is much safer to live in Australia than America. I have no need to worry about a mass shooting occurring here ever again so I am able to walk the streets or go to school without fear of harm occurring to me or my family.
Mean while in the United States, that fear and paranoia is always on back of your mind.. so what do you do? You have to buy more guns due to this fear thereby increasing the risk of the next mass shooting occurring. It's sad desu I feel for you guys but it seems like the NRA and the gun manufacturers would rather see more of your people die.
>>68223984
At least they ain't african american niggers
>>68223954
Ello Vladimir I see you have of Kalashnikov
>>68222446
I dunno, how many women have to be beaten to death by violent ex-boyfriends and home invaders before you'll oppose gun control?
>>68223976
Yeah. It barely makes the list of the top 300 lobbying organizations. Leftists like trotting out the NRA as some huge bogeyman because they don't want to accept the reality that Americans don't need all that much nudging to fall into the gun rights camp.
>>68222297
>Australian
>Having rights and freedom.
Pick one
Message to all American brothers ITT: Stop acting like our gun rights aren't handicapped. They've been gradually cucked to the point where we can't even own automatic weapons. Communism, sponsored by Jews, is at fault for this.
>>68224159
Lol this is part where you explain yourself with facts
Sooooo let's hear it queer bait I'm all ears
>>68224496
BLACKED
HOW CAN WHITE MEN EVEN COMPETE
>>68224495
You seem to be paranoid that everyone with a gun will go out and commit mass shootings.
>>68224426
>m-muh militia
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>>68222030
OK because that's what ithink about when I wake up sit on my front porch without being filmed. Nice UK fuck off. I'd rather have the slightest chance of getting shot than live in a surveillance state as bad as yours. Hell, it adds a little randomness to life.
>>68224426
There is no 'well regulated militia' in America. Also the founding fathers lived in a time where there were only muskets around..
>>68222030
It's a light issue, but the U.S. is a country of 330 million with fiercely individualistic tenancies.
The reason a lot of it is on the news is because it's news. I'm from Chicago. By and large a perfect city, except people just stop reporting on the south side (a cancer except U Chicago) because of all the shooting.
>>68224609
I literally just copy pasted the 2nd amendment
>>68222030
>>68224577
Everything he said is correct.
>>68224651
So? The entity they were at war with still had a disproportionate amount of firepower
>>68224607
Of course, because that's what goes through a liberal mind when they pick up a gun, so they assume it goes through the mind of a conservative also
>>68224626
>surveillance state
You already live in one you moron. What is the NSA?
>>68224664
I know, but someone is going to say "haha it says militia not people"
>>68224495
since we're on pol lets discuss the differences in volume of our imported Afrikaners and your Aborigines. Which posses a greater risk to society and over all statistical impact on murder and violent crime statistics? Also we kinda fucked ourselves with breeding them to be larger and stronger. Our average black American is no slouch in the raw physical category.
>>68224351
>No, I'd say that takes away all the challenge right there.
Hunters should drop out of trees with knives, on their unsuspecting prey... like on tv..
>Of course, numbfucks tend to fall out of tree stands, or accidentally shoot their own hunting dogs -- ... oh nevermind.
Like happens to a handful of Darwin's rangers, out of literately millions of hunters each season.
>>68224594
i dunno man, i dunno.....
>>68224692
Lmao I'm still waiting on the part where you explain yourself, not just dick ride your buddy like Carl the Cuck
Explain to me why a .233 round designed not to kill, but MAME a 180lb human is ideal in a situation where you only want to use 1 bullet at over 3x the range for animals 230lbs and over
>>68222030
I can't say for certain but I would be that is one of the shittiest strawmen ever made.
>supposed to think the guy holding a newspaper is right
>>68224396
>maim, not kill.
Yup, you're an idiot.
>>68222030
>Walking down the street at night
>Pervasive smell of curry clouds the air around me
>Oh no
>Paki jumps out
>"Kuffar, give me your money"
>He pulls a knife
>"b-but carrying a knife is illegal"
>He lunges, instincts kick in, I deflect his swing and crack him in the face with my fist
>He's stunned, I quickly improvise
>Muslims fear the shoe
>I pull my shoe off and shout "DEUS VULT"
>Beat him over the head with the shoe
>He falls over, dazed
>I hop away, put my shoe back on and run for it back home
>Sleep well that night
>Wake up the next morning
>Get a knock at the door from the police questioning me about the incident
>Young woman street resident saw the whole thing
>They cuff me
>What
>I'm being arrested for using an improvised weapon in an offensive manner
>My assault shoes are confiscated at the station
>The judge notes the thickness of their soles and the rugged material, asking why I don't wear Vans or Converses like my friends
>He suggests that my attack was premeditated due to carrying these improvised weapons with intent
>I go to prison and Jamal meets the queen
>mfw
>>68224922
.223* my auto correct keeps fucking with me
This is what your founding fathers had when they drafted the constitution
We live in different times. It's 2016 for god sake. How many more kids are going to die for you people to wake up?
>>68222758
Oz is in strong form today!
>>68224922
The rounds were not designed to be less than lethal, they're designed to be lighter. Shot placement is more important than caliber
>>68224964
haha i know rite? wat a pussy. 'j-just look wat happened!' as he stares wide-eyed and empty-brained at nothing. 'this happened so why not ban all guns?! it only makes sense when you don't think too deeply into it and let your emotions be your guide! think of the first graders!' so goddamn stupid wanna throw up in OP's mouth
>>68225047
Hey, it's you again.
How's it going?
SHALL.
>>68225047
Yes, and our freedom of speech only protects you if you speak the dialect of the 1770's Thirteen Colonies.
>>68223954
Being this insecure.
Kek
>>68224922
Yes, war is won with millions of maimed enemy soldiers, as killing them is so.. last century.
>>68225183
NOT
>>68225047
>>68224987
Wow it must be so hard for you day to day, given your disabilities
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/marine-223-may-not-be-lethal-enough-for-civilians/
>>68224309
>That's because "free market" experiments have failed
No, it's because of government interfering and central planning that are predictably ruining markets that were functioning perfectly fine for 100 years up to that point.
>Those damn health and safety regulations!
You joke about it due to your lack of perspective, but doctors who take medicaid are far fucking more incompetent and expensive than doctors who don't. It's a waste of money for everyone involved, especially patients who get stuck paying 10-50 times more than a treatment is actually worth in terms of labor and resources. Doctors here fucking hate being forced to hire staff to navigate red tape that shouldn't be there and is literally getting people killed. It especially hurts low income people like me that are forced to pay big chunks out of paycheck to pay into something I won't benefit from. I would be far better off keeping my own money and paying a good doctor an affordable price. in fact, the amount of money the government takes from me in taxes is enough for me to buy an insurance plan and take care of my own self, and not make it anyone elses problem.
>Do you support those who made they wealth in a corrupt corporatist society?
We all live in this corrupt corporatist society. Is it bad that I have what little wealth I've been able to earn for myself? After all I earned it in a corrupt corporatist society.
>Post Structuralism destroyed Marxism in the late 1960s.
Marxism is stronger than ever before, what the fuck do you think the carl the cuck meme is? That is the face of cultural marxism menacing people for their free speech.
>Neoliberalism has offshored jobs, not "Marxism"...
I don't see the difference, both of those ideals are anti-family and anti free-market.
>heh
Well, you do. The lessons never stop, we're all students of life.
>>68224987
He's right though. He said it poorly, but 223/5.56 causes internal damage at the expense of stopping power.
223 isn't really a hunting round. I'm not a hunter myself, but it's fairly common knowledge that people don't hunt reasonably sized game with calibers under 308.
>>68224999
That's what you get for not offering jamal your wallet and girlfriend
>implying
You fucking white male bigothitler
>>68225047
This is what our founding fathers were allowed to own back then, along with a full complement of cannon. seems more destructive than MUH SALT RIFULLS to me
>>68225047
They also had air rifles with something like a 20 round capacity and a 3-4 second reload rate. Can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure someone here knows.
>>68222030
Enjoy getting shot by a criminal with an illegal gun while you have nothing to defend yourself with, friend.
>>68224309
>That's because "free market" experiments have failed.
There hasn't been a free market for over 100 years, what are you talking about?
>>68225259
>The 5.56×45mm cartridge, along with the M16 rifle, were initially adopted by U.S. infantry forces as interim solutions to address the weight and control issues experienced with the 7.62×51mm round and M14 rifle
>>68225327
Dis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
>>68225127
I have to disagree with you bud, the Geneva code bans the use of hollow points, and to bypass that the needed a bullet that would cause more soldiers to have to go into harms way
I'm not like the other dude arguing with me, I will gladly accept being wrong, and sincerely pass the information to all the people I shoot with if you can show me some solid proof that I'm making this shit up
>>68225435
>Geneva
Only applies if you're fighting with another country that has also adopted it.
>>68225422
That's it senpai.
>>68225259
We can get into an argument about the relative efficacy of .223 all day if you like but the "maim not kill" line is absolutely idiotic. And no, a marine's anecdote does not conclusively prove your point.
>>68225296
It depends where you draw the line of "reasonably sized game" honestly. .223 can easily take down a deer, I've done it without a problem. Is .308 better for the purpose? Probably. But my original point up here >>68223813 (ID changed since I moved to a different building) is that there's no particular reason not to use a semi automatic rifle chambered in the round of your preference.
>>68225398
Well, how about some actual sources
>>68225435
They adopted the rounds because 7.62x51 is really fucking heavy. In combat, more rounds miss than hit by a significant margin. More rounds means you're more likely to hit what you're shooting at
God to bed you Aussie shit posters.
>>68224426
Should have shooped in a guy holding the constitution, famalam.
>>68222030
>It must suck to be a free bird, because that means that the bird might get killed by a falcon. It's far better to live in a cage and let the bird's owners decide what's best for it!
This is how you sound to me. But there is some mistruth to the situation I likened you guys to. Thanks to guns, the "free birds" have the capacity to fight back and win. A dove has the ability to fight off a falcon, or even a bird hunter. Does it mean the dove will win every time? Absolutely not.
As for the caged bird, you are at the mercy of the owners. Maybe you'll get a bird lover. Maybe you'll get a neglectful owner. And maybe you'll get a sociopath who enjoys mutilating animals.
I'll take the freedom, and the risks that come with it.
>>68222293
Paris and Belgium happen to have one more thing in common that is not gun ban. Can you guess what it is?
>>68225586
>blog sites and magazines
>>68225586
Those aren't sources. Those are google results for discussions of the topic. It's still fuddlore bullshit.
>>68225435
For one thing, hollow points aren't banned.
That said, 5.56 is arguably more lethal, it just lacks stopping power.
Since the 5.56 is so light and fast, when it enters the body the front end slows down drastically while the back is still going fast, so the back can tumble forward and then break apart causing severe internal trauma.
So the 5.56 will definitely kill, just maybe slower and more painfully than just having big holes punched in you.
>>68222030
I'd give my firstborn to have the sane access to firearms as the US.
All I can apply for is pistols, shotguns and semi automatic rifles, and it requires a two year membership of a firing range for the pistols, plus a huntinglicense for the rifles.
Or membership of the danish national guard, where I also get access to an automatic rifle, but I can't keep it at my home.
>>68225734
Criminals still having guns?
>>68225047
>>68225327
Don't forget repeaters and puckle guns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
>>68225661
So with all this being said, what effectiveness does it have for animals, and why not use a heavier caliber?
This all started with "why a .223 or 5.56 is the only round you need to hunt with"
And I argue that the designs behind them all point to them being used for humans, not 230lb+ animals
>>68224666
>the ONE mass shooting we've had puts us close to the US
And guess what they tried to do afterwards? Ban guns even harder. No matter that the police failed to listen to the gunman's parents, who told them he wasn't mentally stable, and thus it was the fucking police that failed to do their fucking jobs. Again. But why do you need guns when you have police, right?
We'd probably top the US if they included the most lethal attack in our country. Which was committed by car.
>>68225875
>This all started with "why a .223 or 5.56 is the only round you need to hunt with"
That's not what I said.
What's the point of gun control? Once a war starts between two developed countries, gun control is all for naught.
>>68225875
Use bigger bullets absolutely, I'd rather blast an animal once so it doesn't suffer. But don't argue that .223 was designed to wound.
>>68225294
>No, it's because of government interfering and central planning that are predictably ruining markets
The "free market" is an ideal, it only exists in theory. In practice, there can never be a truely free market. The question is the degree to which Government has a role.
All attempts to establish free markets failed on their own terms.
>markets that were functioning perfectly fine for 100 years up to that point.
Er... where? Prior to the industrial revolution markets were controlled by guilds.
>Doctors... money... It especially hurts low income people like me
Why don't you campaign for a health serivce that's free at the point of use?
>Is it bad that I have what little wealth I've been able to earn for myself?
You didn't "earn" it, you were aided by a corrupt corporatist system to defraud people of their money.
>Marxism is stronger than ever before
Marxism ceased to exist in academic institutions in the late '60s (it's still influential in a few history departments). There is only one nation that is based on Marxist principles: Cuba. All other Marxist States vanished in the late 20th Century.
>Marxism... Neoliberalism
>I don't see the difference,
heh
You're a silly cunt.
>>68225047
IT'S 2016
>>68225830
The attacks only concerned a certain "profile" of criminal.
>>68225296
The 5.56 relies on velocity, shock and penetration, as the original 55gr bullet was a little underweight for its task. The 5.56 fmj is unstable at impact, and tumbles at penetration, leaving an oblong wound channel which simulates an expanding bullet. All fmj bullets are poor performers in respect to hunting, and expressly forbidden for hunting use in all US states. The .223 hp/jsp functions just fine for small to medium sized game.
>>68225389
>There hasn't been a free market for over 100 years, what are you talking about?
Do you know what a Structural Adjustment program is?
Literally just bought a Ruger Mini 14 Tactical edition rifle and a CZ-75 with depleted uranium sights.
I just bought them on the Internet and will pick them up from my local FFL shop after a 10 minute background check within the next week.
Feels good man.
>>68225886
kek, same thing happened here
A well known gangster shot policemen with an illegally owned pistol.
The government's solution to this was to put restrictions on shotgun ownership for the first time in British history.
The first form of gun control in the UK, which was a licence you had to buy from the post office, came into force because the police wanted more money.
This was back when gun crime was almost non existent and anyone aged 14 or over could buy whatever gun they wanted.
Back in the 1930's.
>>68222887
"jew tube"
Nice fucking logic there shithead.
Go back to year 5 where name calling as an argument is normal
>>68225744
>>68225755
Lmao well fuck if the guys who blog and have magazine articles about their experiences shooting them I guess I'll take the guy on /pol/s word for it
>>68225771
I can dig that. But I don't want my deer to sit there and struggle and take 20minutes to bleed out. I don't want the bullet tumbling around. I want my bullet to fly straight and far and kill him within 3 seconds of me hitting him
.300 win mag at 240 yds
I don't know why no one takes my YEARS of hunting with multiple calibers into consideration
>>68222030
Replace gun/guns with niggers and you have a correct sentence.
Isn't worrying about mass shootings then equivalent of panicking about taking the plane after hearing about a crash that kills 50+ people? They're both extremely rare occurrences.
>>68226111
Yes, I should have read the whole thing before replying.
>>68225259
>20 celebrities you would never guess are black
Fucking America's obsession with race. If they're not black, THEY'RE NOT FUCKING BLACK. You can tell by the colour coding, for fuck's sake. Race only matters in so far as it's fucking visible, anyway. But America is not straight up inventing hidden black people.
>>68225830
Guarantee that doesn't make a single fucking dent. It's the exact same economic prohibition behind why the drug war is such a fucking failure. You look at picture of the giant rooms full of bricks of money and drugs, but then you know it doesn't make a dent because the druge market doesn't skip a beat, it keeps right on going.
What the dumbasses in charge never realize is that they're enforcing the existence of a huge illegal black market that should be a huge legal FREE market that everyone is free to take place in.
Because the free market pays taxes. The black market does not pay taxes. It's the exact same situation with both of these things, eurpose has figure out drug prohibition doesn't work and makes things worse, and the US has figured out that gun prohibiton doesn't work and makes things worse. I wish we could all figure out that they both don't work for the same reasons.
>>68226206
I was never arguing that 5.56 is the best round for hunting all game. All I said is that it'll get the job done.
>>68225918
Well then I apologize and withdraw my argument
>>68223338
Does this trigger you?
https://youtu.be/y0ss6gCPNs4
https://youtu.be/89UliEiQQyU
>>68226269
Agreed.
>>68226269
No shit.
The police come upon caches like that on a regular basis in every city.
Even petty criminals in Scotland, where they banned air guns, can get their hands on guns.
It's almost as if banning something you can make in your back garden with basic household tools doesn't work.
>>68226326
Bet you feel really good about yourself seeing those animals suffer like that you psychopathic cunt
>>68225830
>criminals running around with fully automatic weapons from half the world away
Gee, it's almost as if Schengen was a poorly thought out bullshit construct only intended to stroke the shaft of useless Eurocrats.
>>68223678
>the government will one day turn against its own people?
The government confiscating guns IS the government turning against the people.
>>68222943
>We have a choice: ban guns or ban people.
What made America great was that we banned the people, not the guns.
Too bad the women got all uppity and believed we should be rehabilitating murderers instead of banning them, because "muh feels."
>>68226326
>you will never slaughter pests from a helicopter
Life's not fair.
>>68226493
We get shit that doesn't even happen in America here.
>>68226503
No, they're just protecting us from ourselves, for our own good!
>>68222030
>that comic
>mfw that appeal to emotion
>>68226300
Agreed lol I can't deny that there are bolt actions chambered in 5.56. A bullet through your torso is a bullet through your torso. If you want to track the blood for 50 minutes then that's all on you lol
>>68226263
Dude it's getting sickening. Everything is centered around white guilt and black lives now
>>68226455
They are beginning to address the issue..
>>68226129
I like this.
Copy pasta 4 u
Australia is having an increase in crime, and has had one since the gun ban in 1997. Gun crime HAS gone down, yet what anti-gunners will not tell you is that it was dropping BEFORE the ban.
Link: http://www.ssaa.org.au/ilasep98.html
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/0/44e7066a7d173...
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/27/how-has-heightened-gun-control-worked-in
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
Did you know: one in ten of all guns seized by police from criminals in Australia is a DIY submachine gun?
Here are some articles showing the major failures of Australia's "tough" gun laws you won't see on TV-
I found these in less than 10 minutes:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/jeweller-angelos-koots-admits-to-making-submachine-guns-at-his-seven-hills-home-and-supplying-them-to-bikie-groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916?nk=c1720804438b0b9f14802266b41dd806
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/10/australian-police-seize-homemade-submachine-gun-drug-raid/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/05/bill-holmes-homemade-smg-others-spotted-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/16/mp40-found-in-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/21/potd-fp-45-liberator-found-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/08/australian-police-arrest-homemade-pen-gun-supplier/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/12/02/51213/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/05/australian-man-jailed-building-selling-derringer-type-pistols/
>>68222758
HURRRR YOU GUYS ARE DUMB, I CANT TELL YOU WHY BUT LISTEN TO THIS DUDE
>>68226690
Like I said, I've been durr hunting with 5.56. I'm a shitty fucking shot and I didn't have that problem, but when I was growing up my grandpa taught me to shoot the fucks in the heads if I could (he hunted with a bolt action .308 incidentally). He also never mounted any of his kills though.
>>68222996
Needing 20 fucking dogs and a whole crew of faggots on horseback to hunt a fox?
>>68226144
In the 1930's, guns were already banned here. Why? Because the government feared a socialist revolution, and Marx was massively pro-gun. Well, the revolution never took off. Did we get our rights back? of course not! Now the socialists are massively powerful, and name streets and schools after the cunt that tried to unleash the revolution here. Do we have our gun rights back? Of course not!
Euro gun culture was never condusive to mass shootings. Most of our firearms industry consisted of tiny-calibre self-defense guns made more to fit snugly into a pocket than to blow someone away, hunting, and target shooting. There are virtually no instances of mass gun violence in pre-ban Europe.
The bans are completely baseless, and basically only a way for the ruling class to ensure their hold over the people.
Note, guns aren't banned completely. You can still get a license for range shooting. Brits have been known to keep their guns here, in fact. But self-defense with guns is illegal. Yeah, go figure.
>>68226490
>>68226049
>The "free market" is an ideal, it only exists in theory. In practice, there can never be a truely free market. The question is the degree to which Government has a role.
This is 100% true, and the role of government is to protect the liberty of the people by enforcing things like private property laws and contract rights, as well as the fundamental rights like free speech, right to bear arms, right to deny self incrimination, jury trials, enforce everything that western justice is built on.
>All attempts to establish free markets failed on their own terms.
free market taxes literally paid for golf on the moon.
>Er... where? Prior to the industrial revolution markets were controlled by guilds.
In the housing market for instance, it used to takes 2 years of the country's median income to buy a house, and ever since the liberal spending policies of the following decades that brought us the projects for instance combine with the dollar devaluing at a rate of 50% every 23 years, we have an economy that now takes 10 years of the country's median income to buy a house. So the policy of trying to give poor people free or subsidized because their poor and it feels bad man, so now everyone is poorer and less able to get a home.
>Why don't you campaign for a health serivce that's free at the point of use?
Because a free market treats you like enough of an adult to decide for yourself if you want to go see a physical therapist or a surgeon for something like a joint injury. It doesn't use force to make all the producers pay for something "free". That's unethical.
>Marxism ceased to exist in academic institutions in the late '60s
pic related
>heh
>You're a silly cunt.
haha so are you bro, I'd love to visit the UK and get a pint with one of you faggots.
>>68226493
We're not in Schengen and it still happens here m8
>>68222758
>unmade bed
>beach towel for curtains
>obese
>flabby arms
>androgynous
>>68222030
>>68226490
Does it trigger you to know that your fellow Australians are buying High capacity rapid fire assault lever shotguns in the thousands?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrIEnhWQrH0
>>68226925
>self-defense with guns is illegal
This is the greatest evidence for tyranny imaginable. Every time I hear about this shit in a european country I'm actually flabbergasted.
>>68226805
>mfw that just puts economic incentive to people making their own guns
>>68226835
Oi, you be respectful when you address based Gordon.
>>68226836
You know it wasn't until recently that I found out that was a common thing, especially if you're doe killing for meat purposes. If you're on Instagram I have a page where a friend and I post alot of the guns we mess with
Guns_skate_ink
Where do you hunt mostly? I was over near Victoria in Texas a few months ago
>>68224651
Citizens had fucking cannons back then and there were muskets that could should 15 bullets in a few seconds you fucking retard do you really think the people who wrote that didn't think technology would advance.
>>68226925
>Because the government feared a socialist revolution
That's what happened here too when they started to require "good reason".
Although self defence was considered good reason until the 40's.
>>68224651
>>68227147
Utterly true. Benjamin Franklin wrote that it was a shame cryogenics hadn't been invented yet, so he could be revived and see the country in a hundred years.
>>68227113
Yeah I was taught by grandpa that hunting was for meat. I don't think that's the only reason to hunt but that's what I've grown up with. And I don't have instagram since I live in the 19th century or something.
I don't hunt regularly, when I do it's with friends in western pennsylvania.
>>68227080
>mfw that just puts economic incentive to people making their own guns
Absolutely.
The real problem is ammunition, which is much easier to smuggle.
>>68226269
Yeah, we get the same thing... with weed.
>but weed is legal in the Netherlands, right?
Not entirely. It's one of those typical political compromises, just like your own system. One that keeps everyone happy by being a retarded combination of both ideologies. Selling weed is legal, smoking weed is legal, but growing weed and selling it to coffeeshops is illegal. So I have more legal shops within walking distance that sell weed than I can count, but the cops still routinely raid growers.
But what effect does this have? Well, weed is still big business for criminals. Which means the harmless idealists who started this have pretty much all been pushed out of the business. Because they can't stand up to organised crime, and when they go to the cops, the cops fuck THEM because "growing weed is illegal, you criminal scum". So the entire system seems to be purposebuilt to push the respectable, non-violent citizen out of the business and open it up to murderous (and often foreign) criminals.
And it's not gonig to change any time soon, because our EU "friends" who wanted Schengen are pushing us to make weed completely illegal again, because their own citizens use our open borders to come buy weed here. They even tried to make it impossible by introducing some ridiculous weed pass system that no-one but the politicians building their career on it wanted. Can you guess what happened?
Organised crime shot right up the moment it was introduced, and it was quietly dropped almost immediately.
Government will step on the common folk to get to criminals, and when they then don't get to criminals, they shrug and complain about all the common folk stuck to their boots.
>>68222816
burgers aren't very good with banter
>>68227600
Yup, that's more retarded than American gun laws by far.
>>68222758
from guns to drones to nukes. why did i even watch this god damn idiot
>>68227464
People can make their own ammunition too.
That's probably the easiest part to make at home, the gun at least requires some thought about the mechanism inside it.
Buy some sheet metal and some gardening supplies and you're good to go.
Sadly it won't be smokeless, I doubt a criminal will care about that.
>>68222030
>Australia
>>68227021
Don't be fucking retarded. You are not in Schengen, but everyone you share a border with is. So instead of having ten different borders between you and a crime-ridden Balkan country with more AK's and Skorpions than people, you now have one.
Schengen harms us all.
>>68227021
Because you let in all the piles of human refuse from your old colonies.
