What went wrong with this fagg?
>>68218945
he's a commie piece of shit,things he might've done right don't outweigh all the stupid crap he did
>>68218945
Long story short:
He is shilling for old comunist establishment with former UB(sort of CIA) agents.
Traitor, shill and a fuckin comie.
NOOOOOO
He dindu nuffin
he a good boy
He defeated communism
>>68219723
PISS voter confirmed
>>68219810
Meanwhile PIS is the new communist establishment.
>>68220053
not really
>>68219723
>>68219810
Thanks about the red-pill anons.
That was my assumption as well, but I was not sure, because watched a film about him recently and he was illustrated like a fucking genius. But regarding the current global situation everything looked so naive and retarded.
>>68220053
>>68220149
>>68220171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhAvXtSpT5c
Only Grzegorz can save us.
>>68220053
>>68220149
KOD SHILLS spoted.
>>68220522
Thats the comie narrative, with little google-fu you can find lots on him and what was done in "Magdalenka" when he sold Poland.
>>68220722
isn't he just a meme though?
>>68220723
KEK. that Magdalenka thing.
This is how you beat the shit out of "muh evil communism"
he outed Jarosław Kaczyński so now : shitstorm
>>68218945
he was communist agent during 1971-76 (which is already documented) and was probably a communist puppet after that allowing communists to steal the entire country's savings after 1990
the worst president we had
Idk mayne
>>68220987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGrg8_69D0
nope.
>>68221803
>outed
what?
Lech Wałęsa had like 1% of votes (during 2000 elections) while One True King of Poland Jaroslaw Kaczyński won the fucking election with 37% of votes in 2016 and rules the country
out of all shit politicians he still has the largest electorate
>>68221268
>political dialogue intensifies
>>68222501
*2015
of course
>>68219723
>>68219810
>>68220040
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>>68222246
ITT: underage retards with no grasp their country basic modern history.
Read a fucking history book before you start spewing your retarded opinions from "independent" medias
History is not black and white, you sheep.
>>68222756
>History is not black and white, you sheep.
He either was a commie agent or he don't.
>>68223015
some delusional fags in Poland try to explain it like Jehovah Witnesses are trying to explain the bible
>muh from 1971-76 he was an agent but from 76-77 he wasn't
>BUT in 1979 he was again
>but in 1982 he said he wasn't
>BUT...
>NO PROOF SHUT UP NO PROOF SHUT UP LECH WALESA WAS A GREAT POLE THAT'S FOR SURE
that's how "discussion" in Poland looks like
>>68223015
also
the worst thing is not the fact he was an agent (because no one in Poland where half of population were soviet agents would even care), but the fact that he sweared on Mary the mother of Jesus that he was not an agent
the fact that he lied is what triggered most of the people
Wałęsa is the dumbest fucker I've every seen
>>68222756
>read a history book spreading kike propaganda
No thanks
He called that one Christcuck gay, and now Poland hates one of their greatest heroes.
Just sad. Christcucks are a cancer.
>>68222756
Pls Brajanku we know you are retard.
>Read a fucking history book before you start spewing your retarded opinions from "independent" medias
Point me to one history book not writen by a comie/jew or SB agent that proves your point.
PRO TIP: You cant, and with Kiszczak archives found in his closet your house of cards will crumble like it always do with comie propaganda, you would know it if you read a history book nor made by Reds onece in your life.
>>68223015
He was. Magdalenka was second Yalta and "Nocna Zmiana" was a coup.
>>68224072
>muh JEWS
Fuck off, PiSS shill.
>>68223015
Even if he signed something,
Even if he was taking money at the beggining
We are talking about the simpleton worker during 70's where:
not so long ago goverment opened fire to oposition demonstration few years before.
people who still remembered that people wre "disapearing" en masse 20 years ago. (during 50's)
When goverment was killing, torturing and blackmailing opposition.
When few years back Czech Rebublic was invaded by intervention foces by Soviet Union and its satelite regimes to crush the opposition in its cradle to maintain its puppet regime.
Where many politicians, artist and officials just signed to be left alone and work anyway (often to undermine the govermnet).
I am sure the Wałesa had a dark moment in his history, no doubt, I we can all see that he cannont deal with his demons form the past properly, by simply telling the whole truth.
But his actions and deeds proved tenfold that after he felt strong enough to challene Communists, he did it.
Bonus points for his time in prison: why he would be so long jailed if he was an agent?
Its kind of funny that people who were doing very little at that time, or even more, they were the part of the communist regime are now spewing those nonsense on him.
>>68218945
It's like economics don't exist or matter.
It will end in tears.
>>68224435
He was an INFORMER. He fucked people over by reporting them to communists.
There's no fucking excuse for that.
>We are talking about the simpleton worker during 70's where:
>simpleton
I agree. He's the most simple, low IQ, dumbest fucker I've ever seen
The only arguments for supporting him is that he's a "symbol". But can a traitor and liar be a symbol?
He helped to coopt the Solidarity movement and fill it with communist agents which is why Poland is still fucked 25 years later
>>68224695
PiS shill detected.
Just accept that Jaro is a fag and move on.
>>68224744
Jarosław Kaczyński does everything USrael tells him to.
He's a kike agent predenting to be religious & conservative to get votes and fuck over the population even more
>>68224695
And you somehow believe if it wasnt for him we would have no jews running the country?
You believe that if you hang the man today its going to change anything aswell?
Nigga please jews gonna jew whats the funniest part of the story is hes taking all the heat instead of the jews which are still gonna jew.
Hang the jew not the jews puppet m8
>>68224946
this.
>>68223979
>Poland hates one of their greatest heroes.
CIA shill pls.
>>68223552
Yea, who needs hitorician's expertiese?
Its better to learn history from tabliods and clickbaits!
I'm LMAO'ing at your life illiterate sheep, you cannot be treated seriously.
>>68223257
nice strawmen.
Now go read a history book.
>>68223257
>>68223450
Yep. That reminds me about our own "transmission" to democracy. Everything was staged and the biggest commies had become the bravest democrats.
>>68225306
if the historian is a communist or a commie sympathizer like all liberals are
Then its obviously not going to be non-biased
Many people informed for secret police.
Those were different times and I'm not the one to judge them.
But that fucker is denying it even when they found those documents. He's fucked up guy with gargantuan ego
>>68224695
You have no idea what was the status of "infomant" back there, do you?
You could sign this and could have destroy people careers and lives, like some did,
OR
You could have signed it and make ridiculous useless info for the inteligence cell, like "Mr Nowak wasnt in church this week" like many actors, artists and officials did just to be left alone.
Just as I told ya, fuckwit, history is not black and white.
Yes he probably did signed something,
But if you look at the contects iv written here>>68224695 maybe, MAYBE you realize tha he was a simple man who was afrid for himself and his family at the begining, and when the time was right and the wheels of opportunity were turned, he decided to take a risk and seize the moment?
Nah, You just want to lynch that man because some dead commies few old notes in the closet.
So many po/n/kod shills here. Go play lotek fags.
>>68225793
what kind of retarded generalization is that?
Or maybe you want to create a special council which will be measuring jew allegiance?
kek.
History is history. these are facts and numbers. You have to read it by youself and make conclusions.
>>68226624
>He thinks PiS is red-pilled
>If you don't aggree with it you must be PO/.N supporter
KEK
>>68226624
Evidence here:
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>>68222756
Its nice to see butthurt Reds after so many years.
Tears of joy.
>>68227061
>butthurt
>Reds
>Tears of joy
DUDE LMAO MEMES!
No arguments, as usual, sheep.
I am a right-wing, by the way. But you sheepie, and your mentally impotent kind are a disgrace to the whole right wing.
Thank God that whole circus we have now in the Parlament won't last long.
Thank
>>68227499
>No arguments, as usual, sheep.
Wut? At this point its 100% you are troll but you havent made one argument so far, I on the other hand did.
Prove that Walensa arent Comie shill.
Prove he didnt sell out Poland in Magdalenka
Prove he didnt take part in Coup of legal and democratic gov of Jan Olszewski in 1992.
GO AHEAD MR RIGHT-WING.
czyli co, bedzie wojna czy zamach stanu?
>>68227931
Burden of proof is on Your side, buddy,
You and your kind are trying to rewrite history as it was.
If you bear in mind the geo-political situation in that time, the intervention in Czech Republic, the round table was the only way.
It is true that commies get their part of the wealth, I am aware of that, but that was the only way to make them step down.
Do you even realize what would have happened if the strikes and revolts would have escalated? It the puuped regime would have feared for their lifes?
I tell what COULD have happened. The civil war, the young Poles shooting innocent civilians, the other ones refusing to take part in that bloody massacre.
A division in all fields: in parlament, police, army. All-out civil war.
And then, the commies, who feared for their lives, would have begged Soviets to interviene.
At that time, nobody had the slightest idea that Soviet Union was a rotting corpse, a mere shadow of itself. All percieved Reds as they were during Cuban Conflict,
I tell You what. If that whole thing would have happened 20 years ealier, the whole oppsition would have ended in the firing line.
The Round Table was a truce and a pact. A filthy one, but it was the best decision at that time to make, with the knowlege the opposiiton had and the support they recieved.
Its easy to judge now, so many years later. Read a history book, srsly mate, Im am not saying this out of spite. And draw your own conclusions as I did.
What do you mean by "wrong"? He's just generic former agent of secret commie police, with one exception of being glorified by hordes of dumb bydlo. To be fair, I never liked him - he's literally a walking caricature of an average pole with all its stereotypical flaws in full power. I have no fucking idea why people ever trusted this man in the first place.
>>68229047
>the round table was the only way.
> the only way
was to get drunk with them commies. you what m8? it's obvious that these people are not negotiating.
>>68229047
>round table was the only way.
>the only way
is to get drunk and laid with them commies?
>>68229047
> we have extremely low birthrate
> the retirement money will be really small for most of the people
> polish industry is a meme
> press is under German control
> polish educashun is really shit
> "panstwo praktycznie nie istnieje"
> civil unrest on Independence Day
> national identity is dissolved
> people REALLY objectify each other
> muh 3 years in a queue to hospital
> no fucking free place in a kindergarten
> muh "less children=better education" and the lessons start in the afternoon
> muh pedagogika wstydu=pracujcie szybciej i wiecej gowniane, zasrane i nic nie umijace polaczki, and this is going on and on, and on, and on
fuck this shit
and you want to tell me everything is all right?
Communist were building motorways and stadiums too. So what?
I know life is never perfect but this all together is like a fucking nightmare, not mentioning nuclear threats from Russia.
>>68220522
>because watched a film about him recently and he was illustrated like a fucking genius
That was the point. The transformation of commie countries into "free market liberal democracies" was a plan by the KGB and respective local security agencies in Eastern Bloc countries not a "Spontanious revolution". The commies invented it when they realized that the system is collapsing completely and Moscow won't help because it's imploding too. There were two goals for (soon former) commie establishment: To become filthy rich on privatization and to maintain political power. But they needed good PR for the people and the world to buy it. And that's where Wałęsa comes in: a semi-literate moron (really, he makes basic grammar mistakes all the time), and a minor commie informer with delusions of grandeur (codename "Bolek") is created by the SB (secret police) to be a champion of the people and Solidarity leader. He's the face of the revolution that was completely hijacked by the secret service for their own goals. When he became president he made sure that no communist goes to prison for the people they've myrdered and helped them to become oligarchs, pardoned mafia bosses (really) and did everythingthey told him to. Later he became very unpopular in domestic politics so he was just touring the world as "democracy icon". Recently gen. Kiszczak, the last SB chief died and left behind some documents he apparently kept to blackmail Wałęsa, where his dealings with the secret police and how he sold out his Solidarity friends for money are described in great detail. Such is the world of post-communism.
>>68229354
Yes by your thinking when you are asked to banquet negociate you should take the table knife and slit their throats, right?
God you are dense.
>>68218945
Retarded magalomaniac who was played by Polish commie secret services.
>>68229943
My company has 4 huge factories in Poland and is opening up 4 more. The main reason is the work ethic and ease to find capable workers. I was there last year to help install equipment and was impressed with the people and culture there.
Poland is bro tier in my book and has a great future if they don't end up getting cucked by the EU
>>68218945
Jesus christ, who gives a shit? It's not he is in any position of power and he wasn't for a really long fucking time.
>>68230250
get me a job senpai
>>68229943
Yea, and this is all Wałęsa fault how, exacly?
> we have extremely low birthrate
Not extremely, but yes, it is low, but this is the sign of all developing countries. See West.
> the retirement money will be really small for most of the people
compared to West? of course. compared to rest of the former soviet satelites? pretty the same as Czech's and Baltics, higher than in Sloviakia. or Belarus Ukraine.
> polish industry is a meme
To you maybe. I wonder why Germany, France and Brittan are shilling to "buy their own goods! be patriotic" We are on a good way and we catching up. The problem is in taxes and in govermet and officials socialist mindset that still treat Polish businessmen as thieves by default, not as national tresure.
> press is under German control
All kinds of media are forcing their view.
>polish educashun is really shit
kek. Its in the worldwide top tier retard.
> "panstwo praktycznie nie istnieje"
??? :^) stop parroting damn populist politicians. Ukranie state does not exisit. Open your eyes.
> civil unrest on Independence Day
Hoolingans should be dealt with, whats your point here?
> national identity is dissolved
Opinion based on what?
> muh 3 years in a queue to hospital
Not a single govement touched the healthcare. Which is in a sorry state, but when anyone even dares to mentions private healthcre which works well in Western countries the is an uproar "NOO MUH EVUL CORPORATIONS ARE GONNA CHARGE MEE 5 GORRILION FOR VACCINE" crap. Polish dumb society is getting what they deserved.
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>>68231428
> no fucking free place in a kindergarten
1st world problem. Too bad we are not a developed country like West yet.
>muh "less children=better education" and the lessons start in the afternoon
U wot m8? where are you getting that nonsense?
>muh pedagogika wstydu=pracujcie szybciej i wiecej gowniane, zasrane i nic nie umijace polaczki, and this is going on and on, and on, and on
You are a fucking part of it. You and your kind, The average Pole is looking at his neigbour, Gemany, 1st ECONOMY IN THE FUCKIN WORLD (PKB/capita) and thats why is complex ridden. How the fuck you expect to live on the same terms while you were exloited by the soviets for almost half centurty and have a free country which didn't last even a single generation now? World treated us like crap, and now all I can hear in west media and foom foreigners from other countries taht we are making great progress.
And its true. Look at archive films form 70s,80s,90s, who people lived, clothed, and ate.
How in 90s the fucking comic book costed 16 000 PLN, and a month later it was 45 000 PLN, because economy was in such sorry state.
We have made an increadible leap. Of couse some things could have been done better. But denying the proggres is a pure lie,
>>68230050
>should take the table knife and slit their throats, right?
Yes. The same guy was stating that the commies were "pigs" and subhumans.
But in the very next moment he is clearly celebrating with them.
>>68230250
It is really sad that foreigner comes here to compliment Poland while te whole bunch of complex ridden retards form Poland are trying to deny an unquestionably great improvemnt in life, standard, economy and political strenght in the region.
>>68233723
either a bait or you are mentaly ill. Im done talking to you.
Here is my last precious (You) for ya. Now fuck off.
>>68234162
>Mercedes
>Not Audi
0/10
>>68234096
ok
>>68234162
daily remainder: the unrest started before the refugee crisis
>>68230209
megalomaniac, narcissistic, egomaniac
three words to describe our ex president
his IQ is on nigger level.
>>68234162
haha funny comic Sweden :D
I would love to paste one for you about how Sweden is percieved by the world, but there is NOT single one on the entire internet. I guess there is nothing
to laugh about in SWEDEN, YES?
But I've heard there is nothing but greatness and prosperity for your county in the future!
وداعا!
