Trump wants to literally stop Free Trade. Can you fuckers explain yourselves on why that's okay?
>>68213798
lol what a shit map, fuck you
>Read intermediate economics textbook.
>Muh free trade, muh efficiency.
>Everyone else is wrong because I know intermediate economics theory and it told me that 'efficiency' (regardless of who receives most of the benefits) is the be all and end all justifying cuck-tier policies.
>>68213980
What is wrong with the TPP, Emu slave?
>>68214304
>>68213798
It's anti-competitive market behaviour and a form of Socialism, you take away the rights of the individuals for the "greater good" of the whole.
You're not a Socialist, are you?
>>68213798
Well for one, it's for the purpose of protecting Americans rather than kike bankers and corporations.
>>68213798
>Americans
>Think that's Malaysia
Never change Murica
>>68214657
It is part of it.
>>68214810
Southern Borneo a part of Malaysia? How's that 3rd world education going for you?
>>68213798
...
Free trade = Liberalism = Immigration,gay marriage, LGBT's right, destruction of value, religion, lobby that controls the president, ploutcraty,sweden yes
>>68213798
Proof?
>>68213798
>posting a pro TPP thread
Oh fuck no.
TPP is a fucking disaster.
The entire point of free trade is to have fair trade.
America is not a fucking charity.
We don't have free trade. Free trade implies an equally amicable and open relationship between the parties involved.
The U.S. signs free trade agreements, then abides by them, while those nations continually violate those treaties to rip us off.
If your wife cheats on you would you stay married? This cucked trade bullshit isn't "free".
Good comrades.
Don't trust the evil corporations. Trust the state.
>>68213798
Go fuck yourself you satanic pile of dog shit.
>>68215542
wikileaks?
KEK
>>68215736
>The entire point of free trade is to have fair trade.
Le no it isn't you fucking liberal. Free trade = open markets. That means NO FUCKING TARIFFS LIKE WHAT TRUMP WANTS
>>68216101
>while those nations continually violate those treaties to rip us off
Straya doesn't dog its mates, mate.
>>68214304
>>68213798
>He things the TPP is a good thing
>Being this blue pilled
>yet still on /pol/
How is this even possible?
>>68213798
>Posting positively about TPP
You are the most obvious shillshit ever. Do they even have you guys browse this place for 5 fucking minutes before assigning you here? Complete fucking moron.
>>68216208
check it out. you might learn something.
related.
Free trade rewards the nation with the lowest wages, the least labor protections (including child labor restrictions), the most lax pollution standards, etc.
free trade is a race to the bottom.
>>68216218
Tariffs is how an economy keeps jobs from moving overseas.
I'm an American who moved to Australia, min wage here is like 20 bucks in most states, things cost "similar" to in America. Australia BTFO's the naysayers of 15 dollar wages in the US. How? It has tariffs to keep everything equal.
Tariffs are the god damn magic-button to keeping your own nation healthy. Trump also wants to instate a healthcare plan that is very similar to Australias, and its superior to Obamacare (shocking since he aligns with conservatives).
Get the fuck out of here you piece of shit.
America becoming a shithole isn't my problem, but after seeing how it works in Aus, I know what system functions better.
>create agreement that lays groundwork for a government-ruled and controlled internet and internet-infrastructure
>call it a "trade agreement"
kek, Obama is a fucking retard
>>68216888
What are you even talking about fagtrips
>>68213798
>TPP
Really, nigger? not sure who the fuck you're shilling for
>>68216218
So how can a country compete with literal slave labor and unrestricted pollution like in china?
>>68213798
China, Japan, Germany, and France all put tariffs on their shit. Why the fuck else would Citroen still be in business?
Do you think German manufacturing would be where it is today without tariffs?
>let's openly compete with slave labor! Surely the American people will see a raise with such low-cost labor flooding the market!
Free trade = Pro kike
>>68214596
you have no idea what socialism is do you? Like absolutely no idea at besides Cold war era propaganda. Well done for being ignorant as all fuck.
>>68213798
Because it's a bad deal setup by retard politicians.
>>68219973
>bad deal setup by retard politicians
To believe that you need to believe that politicians actually read it.
TPP does away with tariffs between US and Asian countries (surrounding China). Goods can move between countries w/o dramatic price hikes. That also means manufacturing can move overseas and their msrp will remain unchanged. A prime example is Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc moving all their USA factories back to Japan while remaining competitive $$$ against the big 3. TPP gradually removes the ~25% Japanese automotive tariff. The tariff is the reason they build factories here on US soil. Yes, JDM parts will be cheaper. But you will lose those high paying jobs. This is just one industries example. GE has big plans for Vietnam. This is why conglomerates absolutely hate Trump & are mobilizing tons of resources to stop him.
The whole point of the TPP IS free trade... But it was ultimately designed to slow down China's exporting power. Since China won't stop manipulating their currency, & has very low wages, they can produce lots of cheap shit and send it to other countries on the cheap bc the forex is in their favor. This is where the TPP comes into play. It'll prop up China's neighbors & slow China the fuck down... if we buy from their neighbors and not them. Ofc, it'll cost us manufacturing jobs. But in return, they'll buy lots of fresh produce
from us. And that's why they also need amnesty.
>>68220972
so if all that is true, and it sounds plausible, you are saying that people who are pro TPP like many democrat are, are in favor of expanding slave labor in asia to manufacture iPhones which we will pay for with mexican slave labor in the usa picking brocolli, while the evil donald trump wants normal americans to actually get jobs and pay more for less?
my head is esplode.
>>68213798
> anti free trade =/= anti free market
Free trade without restraint or some kind of national plan of action is insane. You need to protect certain core industries depending on your nation. Also there's no level playing field or way to compete with Third World nations.
>>68213798
TPP fucks us all.
>>68213798
The countries don't have normalized wages, so companies will export their jobs
>>68221359
It would allow companies to sue governments for FUTURE PROFIT LOSS
Example: A country imposes anti-smoking laws, a tobacco company sues your country and the taxpayer pays damages.
>>68213798
Good, globalization has done no good for this world
>>68221487
/thread
>>68221301
>You need to protect certain core industries depending on your nation.
is this still a thing, or is it based on the archaic belief that economies are at all logical.
australia and other developed nations should do what america is doing: borrow (meaning print) money and convince the world that it's all cool and use that money to pay asian slaves to do all the dirty work. you don't actually want to smelt pigiron, now do you?
>>68213798
Free trade really benefits us from USA and Aus, but the rest it just hurts us.
We don't export enough to the other countries for it to be worth our while.
>>68221592
>We don't export enough to the other countries for it to be worth our while.
we should charge more for memes.
>>68214596
>free trade
> is "anti competitive"
>is "socialist"
Lmaooo /pol/ literally is a fantasy land some times. Economic protectionism benefits small groups of workers at the expense of everyone else. Sounds pretty socialist to me.
So, if we impose the tariff, the price of goods inside the U.S. will skyrocket.
On the other hand, we'll get manufacturing jobs, and have fewer deadbeats in the economy.
We also have the nice advantage that more of our dollars are going to stay in the country.
I'm not sure how important this is, because it's not clear to me what effect this will have on the actual value of the dollar.
>>68221516
>. you don't actually want to smelt pigiron, now do you?
The Steel industry is a well paying job where a man of middling intelligence who's not afraid of getting dirty can make the kind of money that will get his children a good education.
>>68216646
Australia has progressively reduced tariff levels since the early 80s. You're a fucking dolt.
>>68213798
It doesn't take thousands of pages to ensure free trade, OP. It takes a single page.
You can call it free trade all you want. It's not.
>>68221759
It sounds like you don't really know what you are talking about at all, and you just have this opinion on prices that you've heard somewhere and latched onto.
>>68221887
>It sounds like you don't really know what you are talking about at all, and you just have this opinion on prices that you've heard somewhere and latched onto.
So correct me. The things i've said seem straightforward to me.
>>68219568
This reply is equivalent to "Are you kidding me?"
Don't be that guy
So, is Trump for or against TPP?
>>68213798
TPP is more than free trade
>>68213798
So you trust this deal even though all our shit politicians shoved it down our throats?
>>68222035
Against.
>>68213798
Free trade is globalization. I don't want that.
>>68213798
and you would continue just doing the same thing for the next decades? when you lose trillions?
Just... go away
>>68221873
But Australia has no labor problem
>>68213798
First, you explain how what we have right now is working so well for us.
The benefit of free trade is increased efficiency and productivity. Where the gains of those go is to people who own the means of production, the very rich, as well as to the very poorest who are willing to work for a dollar a day.
>>68221887
Raising the price of imported goods is literally the point of tariffs. Considering the amount of goods imported into the US, why the fuck wouldn't it increase prices? How are you so thick?
>>68213798
>muh free trade
FREEDOM AIN'T FREE
>>68213798
>6000 pages of a secret treaty
>free trade
Pick one and only one.
>>68213798
We already have free Trade all TPP does is give overseas business the ability to arrest you for anything they want
>>68222004
>This reply is equivalent to "Are you kidding me?"
>Don't be that guy
"are you kidding me" is a perfect response under the right conditions. just because carl said it does not invalidate it as a useful rejoinder when someone spouts some obvious bullshit.
example:
"I actually believe the earth is flat".
if you argue against this with logic and facts, you have lost the game.
>>68213798
trump wants to stop international free trade.
senders and clinton want to stop all trade.
>>68219568
YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE WHALE
Gibs me dat
>>68222239
US is one of the world's largest consumers. By putting tarrifs in place, you either give up your Chinese workers, or risk losing a large percentage of the US market due to the increased cost.
Meanwhile, competitors will either come home or rise up from home, and take that money.
For a country like the US, tariffs are the equivalent of removing a splinter in your foot. Hurts like hell to do, but once you do, it doesn't hurt so bad to walk. Hell, you can even HEAL, which is even better.
>>68219568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dAmroKyzGY
>>68222457
But what is the effect of tariffs on the value of the dollar?
>>68221682
You would have a point if no country had a minimum wage, and the same book of rules regarding ecological health and worker safety.
>>68222677
So long as oil keeps accepting only USD, and so long as oil continues to be needed, absolutely nothing.
Good thing they did back when there were tariffs.
>>68222771
I think there must be some. i mean... If dollars are more scarce in other countries that want oil, wouldn't they be willing to pay more to get them? Something like that?
Austin Petersen 2016
>>68221801
isn't there a lot of unions in the steel industry? if so - unions aren't so bad.
>>68213798
If it's about free trade explain why only 5 chapters are about eliminating tariffs and the other 24 are about imposing restrictions to trade in goods and services.
>>68223341
Let me rephrase my answer: There will be no negative effects on the US economy due to tariffs. Take the Playstation, for example. It's made by a Japanese company. But it's built in China. Their biggest consumers are the EU nations, the US, and Japan. Therefore, if the US started tariffing, people wouldn't be willing to pay $900 for a system in the US. Even if they were, if Microsoft was willing to produce the systems within the US and sell them for $750, Sony's refusal to do so would mean that the US would not be a viable market for them.
Therefore, they assemble the consoles in the US, and ship them elsewhere. If Japan is tariffing US made items, then, if demand is high enough, they will continue producing the units in China for the Japanese audience.
>>68213798
>Perú instead of Peru
>Canada doesn't have Newfoundland
>Singapore and Brunei annexed the whole of Malaysia together
>Malaysia has moved to Indonesian Kalimantan
kek
>>68223740
Ahh, I gotcha. Sounds good to me.
>>68213798
TPP is a fucking nightmare. You need to read it.
>>68223341
>>68223740
I would also like to add the following to my answer: Before China joined the FTA, the US was still a part of it. During this time, very few people had trouble paying their bills. THAT SAID, luxury items, such as TVs and video game consoles were something to be saved up for. My parents never had trouble spending money on their mortgage. Food was easily affordable. They outright owned three cars. But a Nintendo game was a very rare treat, usually reserved for birthdays and Christmas. Part of this was due to the expense of producing cartridges, but part of it was due to the fact that there wasn't a Chinese market willing to pay workers $2/hr, and to give them the parts to make the game for less than the parts cost.
Bringing tariffs back into play will raise prices in the US, no doubt about it. It will also have the average workers wage increase, especially if illegal immigrants aren't able to offer to work for less than the minimum wage.
It's gonna hurt at first, and it's gonna hurt bad. Just like when China first appeared, we flourished for a short period of time, due to the fact that not many jobs were being shipped over seas, but costs were plummeting due to the jobs that WERE shipped overseas.
Essentially, we ate our seed plants, and lived like kings for a time. In order to get things back, though, there will be an uncomfortable adjustment period.
>>68222677
That other guy is feeding you bullshit. Changes in tariffs are changes in prices and they always change something. Sometimes they're just really small and not worth noting, but even a penny increase per barrel of oil can be measured since the daily trade of barrels of oil is in the millions.
Here's my ELI5 explanation:
When an imported good to America has a tariff placed on it. The price of the good in America rises, and fewer people buy it. How much this changes depends on how high the tariff this. Basic supply and demand stuff.
Now because American people buy foreign goods from elsewhere, they need foreign currency. To buy foreign currency, they spend American dollars. So with fewer imports, we spend fewer American dollars, meaning there's less American currency in the foreign market. The less American currency there is, the more expensive it is relative to foreign currency, and the cheaper other currencies are relative to the US dollar.
So tariffs have raised the price of foreign oil in America, this causes the price of regular oil to also increase in America since people have the same need for oil, but there's less of it since people are less willing to buy foreign oil. Now people are willing to pay more for oil no matter what its source.
>>68225152
continued...
Since the price of oil in America has risen, any industry in America that requires oil, now has to pay a little bit more for oil which increases their expenses and lower their profits.
At the same time, any company outside of the US, now has access to the extra oil the US wasn't willing to buy at this higher price that includes the tariff, so oil becomes cheaper for the rest of the world and industries outside of the US that use oil increase their profits. The decrease in price for these industries increases by a smaller amount than the increase in America because America's Demand is smaller than Global Demand.
At the same time, American dollars are fewer in supply and thus more expensive. So American imports become cheaper to buy whereas American exports become more expensive to sell. Good for importing companies, bad for exporting ones. However this change should be smaller than the first change. Note that there are oil importing companies, they dislike the effect of tariff increases, because their purchasing power towards oil decreases more than it increases when the USD rises.
So is it worth it? Good, Bad? The answer is a solid MAYBE. The hope is that by making Americans pay for more expensive oil, they'll invest and develop its own oil sources. If the payoff is big enough, it's worth it, we need to get hard numbers to know something like that. Sometimes it is, a lot of the times it's not, but even when it's not business people will say it is anyways because it makes them fat stacks and they don't give a shit about the rest of Americans. But whether or not it's worth it, Americans are subsidizing the business profits of overseas companies.
tl;dr: Increasing tariffs increases price of oil, increases USD, weakens import companies and domestic production and lines the wallets of people within the protected industry within the country
>>68225399
That's some fucked up shit man, also, a lot of differences from "nothing is affected at all. Shiieet
>>68225399
which of the world economies refines the most oil?
>>68216101
You dumb fucking nigger you're the one violating our trade agreements and putting illegal taxes on our products fuck off cunt. There is no difference between you and China you're an overpopulated polluted shit hole that thinks he's worth more than he really is, the entire world hates you and especially hates your tourists, the only difference is soon china will have paler people than you. Fuck up cunt
>>68226092
oops forgot to change the proxy back huh
>>68226610
canada your economy is tiny
we are not worried about you
mexico is the one sending people to be a burden on our taxpayer. that is not in the spirit of NAFTA
>>68226628
yep, I occasionally samefag, hoping to keep the post alive long enough to see what the original guy thinks.
>>68223740
Except they'll evade tariffs like my company did during the swl dispute by shipping a 99.9% complete unit and 'assembling' it in the USA.
>>68225152
>>68225152
>>68225399
>>68226092
Is.. Is Canada NOT shitposting?
>>68213798
Free trade has wrecked the American working class.
>>68215736
On the contrary TPP establishes a common set of rules and regulations governments must ratify and follow in order to participate. These include environmental standards, intellectual property, subsidies, and such.
>>68226734
Except we have one of the highest GDP in the world and even though we've lost a lot of jobs in the past few decades we still have a decently sized manufacturing industry.
>>68213798
Do you have any idea how terrible the TPP is? Even the extreme left can tell this deal is horrible for our economy.
>>68226787
I'm here, i'm thinking about it.
Is trump talking about putting a tariff on oil?
I'm not following where this statement comes from:
>So tariffs have raised the price of foreign oil in America
It seems that if american currency is more expensive, that means we'll pay less for oil.
>>68226734
>muh relevance because of population
Practically any country could import one hundred million shitskins if they wanted to do so. We don't. Only America does. I'm surprised you're proud of it, becoming a minority in your own lands is not an achievement burger, and it has only served to divide your nation and bring about gridlock. You're by and far the most divided western population unit on the planet.
>>68226969
Free trade is the only reason I make six figures per year and why we have no debt, a 10% flat tax and no sales tax in Alberta. Thanks.
>>68227005
And horrible for democracy in general around the world
>>68226610
Calm down hat, oil will bounce back
>>68227016
Except that you can't just slap a tariff on oil, the US was forced to fork over almost ten billion by the WTO over just the softwood lumber dispute. The very mechanism the US used to create its economic empire now insures that it will have a perpetual trade deficit.
This whole kike/american globalism experiment has hurt nobody more than the Americans themselves.
>>68215736
America needs free trade because its is an underpinning of its global strategic power.
Read Theodore Roosevelt
nuff said
>>68213798
>TPP
>free trade
>>68213798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw7P0RGZQxQ
>>68226610
Most Canadians in Alberta would take a job with a Chinese firm over an American one. Nexen/CNOOC is by and far the best producer to land a job at, I don't think anyone makes less than six figures. It doesn't really matter though, tons of leveraged American projects are going bankrupt and are being scooped up by Europeans/Chinese/Canadians.
>>68227307
Great, now can you stop illegally taxing our lumber?
>>68214304
To put in very simple terms it would allow American Jewish lawyers to go to any country under the agreement a sue on loose copyright laws even if the holders of the copyrights had no interest.
>>68226589
Seems like you already know the answer, US oil refining accounts for 58% of the world's capacity yet its reserves only account for about 2%. The Oil refining industry is big, big, big in American politics, and boy do they love them some protectionist policies. I'm personally undecided on whether it's good or bad. There's strategic value in controlling oil and maintaining its manufacturing base, but at the same time, regulars Americans are getting bilked and stuck with billion dollar bills while texas oil tycoons and chinese plastic mongers reap the profits. It really depends on where the numbers lie and I haven't investigated enough to definitively say whether it's good or bad. Only that there's a lot of potential for people to fuck some money out of the system.
>>68227016
Oil prices rise first, currency value rises second as a result, the second effect is a smaller effect, this effect continues to "bounce" along, when currency value rises, oil prices lower, currency prices lower, oil prices rise, etc... Each wave is smaller than the first, so the first effect is always the biggest.
Trump's not solid on tariff policies and he seems to change his mind on the numbers over time, but during the primary cycle he seems to favor high tariffs on some industries including the oil industry.
>>68214657
I agree, that's a pretty silly mistake to make.
>>68227675
You'll lose a few hundred manufacturing jobs so the kikes in hollywood can get foreign nations to censor their internet and/or shut down local media companies.
They tried the same shit up here but our last based Prime Minister went and added a $5,000 liability cap for piracy after the treaty was ratified and created a notice-and-notice system that can be abused indefinitely, your only penalty is a spamblocked email.
>>68227903
^few hundred thousand
>they named this bill free trade so that must mean it makes trade more free
>>68213798
>free trade
You're an idiot
Goddamnit you fucking retards.
>durrr I took one Econ class in college
>free trade with everyone will stimulate the world economy
>everyone will be better off!
I swear you're fucking retaded. TPP and NAFTA do not help America at all. All it does is give economic boosts to THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES like Mexico and Malaysia at the expense of the USA's economy.
1. Republicans like it because it makes their rich donors even richer because CEO's can move their manufacturing plant to Malaysia where "workers" are paid $1 a week and then sell their product to America with no taxes.
2. Democrats (liberals) like it because "muh poor brown people". They believe the USA's economy outght to try to level off with everyone else because "the world is happy place we love everyone"
Trump is an Alpha who protects his turf. Do you want to be an Alpha or a cuck?
>>68213798
""""""""""""""""""""free"""""""""""""""""""" trade
>>68226610
>the only difference is soon china will have paler people than you. Fuck up cunt
Brutal
Fuck you
>>68222391
You're either a troll or a legit fucking retard. Go back to twitter
>>68227903
>but our last based Prime Minister went and added a $5,000 liability cap for piracy after the treaty was ratified and created a notice-and-notice system that can be abused indefinitely
H-Harper did something good?
>>68213798
America gains 0.5% growth
Over Ten years.
NZ Gains 3% Growth
Over Ten Years.
That alone should tell you how much of a shit shylock deal the TPP is.
>>68228564
These are best case scenarios.
The Clinton administration pulled this shit allowing China into the WTO back when he was in office allowing China access to the world economy on the idea that it would force China to comply to fair labor laws.
Shit worked BEAUTIFULLY, aka everyone got fucked because China will pay people 150 bucks a month in wages.
I'd imagine this is the same shit, but with a shot of "Patriot Act" horseshit weaved into it for NSA purposes.
>>68228638
Yes they are optimal conditions.
We will get money sucked out of us by third world nations, NZ will turn into a giant dairy farm for Fonterra and Monsanto while the rest of us line up at the airport and do a Haka for the rich tourists who pick us as a holiday destination.
The only ones to make money in America will be lawyers and accountants.
>>68228564
Easy when most of your immigrants are asiansbwho contribute something
>>68213798
Trump wants to tax imports not embargo foreign goods you fucking retard
>>68228836
0.3% growth a year barely covers the costs of doing business when you consider how massive the economies inside the TPP are.
>>68228743
Well the TPP is the meant to supersede the WTO, which is obsolete by now.
Give China credit, they've subsidized American growth for soo long by buying your massive debt, and absorbing your inflation, to keep living standards higher than they should be..
>>68228146
Poor Aryan master race 1488 pure blooded American can't even compete with niggers for jobs.
>>68228825
Even the vast majority of americans will be BTFO by TPP. The only people who benefit are globalists, those at the top who own everything anyway and see this as a nice way to increase their portfolios.
most treasonous trade agreement in 20 years, I hope when trump is elected he completely fucks them
>>68229352
>when trump is elected
>>68227744
>Oil prices rise first, currency value rises second as a result, the second effect is a smaller effect, this effect continues to "bounce" along, when currency value rises, oil prices lower, currency prices lower, oil prices rise, etc... Each wave is smaller than the first, so the first effect is always the biggest.
I gotcha. Personally I think tariffing oil is a mistake.
I think tariffs should be put on things like iphones and that kind of stuff.
>>68214657
Third world country's aren't relevant in the lives of the average American.
>>68215151
Not what he said. He said part of Borneo is Malaysia, which is true.
Fucking Dutch posters are all such pedantic fucking autists.
>>68229352
Without America the deal is dead. Now you know why literally everyone hates Trump.
>>68229544
You might be right, there are good arguments for tariffs, like when a company is evading taxes but they're using up your countries infrastructure so they are acting parasitically upon a state by using up tax money and giving none back. Tariffs might be the only way to "tax" that company.
But at the same time, they usually indicate a bigger problem with your tax code, which indicates a bigger problem with your regulatory body, which indicates a bigger problem with the people who control the regulatory body. So in that case, tariffs aren't really the solution, just a bandaid for an internal disease.
They can also encourage investment into domestic production for one industry, but at the expense of other industries, usually everyone else loses more than the one industry can gain as a result of what is known as deadweight loss. So that one industry needs to have been a really good investment in the first place to make up for the fact that it's basically dragging every other industry down. But if it was such a good investment, then wouldn't it have been made even without the extra incentives from tariffs? Sometimes no, most of the time, yes, so it's better to be suspicious anytime someone says something protectionist since it's usually more about lining personal coffers than any sort of public good.
>>68213798
>Free Trade
is a codeword for worldwide income equalization so developed societies can devolve into chinese-tier wasteland
reminder that trump supporters are such braindead cucks that /r/the_donald upvoted footage from the onion to le front page (2m42s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuItt6iuMc&t=2m42s
>>68229311
The niggers have proven time and time again that they cannot and, more importantly, WILL NOT compete for the jobs of the white man.
>>68230531
>is a codeword for worldwide income equalization so developed societies can devolve into chinese-tier wasteland
This.
This is how many earths we would need for everyone to live like one does in each mentioned country.
>>68228146
Nobody here is paid $1 a week. Our living wage is higher than Mexico, Peru and and Vietnam.
>>68213798
So Hollywood kikes can now imprison Japanese citizens? What is national sovereignty? You buy that one world government commie shit? We japs should accept murican kike overlords because it's current year?
>>68231169
So $2 a week?
>TPP
>free trade
Fuck off back to your corner office.
>>68231329
2.5
>Trump wants to literally stop Free Trade.
Back when America was great we charged people to trade with us and they were lining the block to make trades with us. The middle class was prosperous and living the dream. After free trade was made prevalent only the top 1% made money from free trade. Everyone else suffered.
Free trade isn't free. It's like saying free impoverishment. No sane person wants it.
>>68228410
Only because thousands of people showed up on his doorstep
>Internationalism
>Good
>>68231169
Rides motorcycle across causeway.
>>68221487
this, its a wet dream for corporations to gain power over democratic nations, it'll make corporations as powerful as nations legally and politically.
If trump kicks out king nigger and stops it it'll be a godsend for the western economy.
>>68221516
im ausfailia, we have allowed an oil company to shut down our only refinery capable of producing fuel for many of our military helicopters, if we lose sea access to malaysia part of our airforce becomes useless.
Part of this problem is australias governments fault for not having a nationalised fuel refinery for military purposes, and part of it is globalisation fucking over production plants in the west.
The TPP makes these things worse.
I need more OP is a faggot pics, in this day and age of shilling endlessly i haven't got enough variety anymore someone post some more.
>>68232072
tfw a lot of your oil imports come from us.
is there a reason why Australia doesn't want to build own refinery?
>>68222191
fuck off we got record unemployment among young working age people, and a high level of unemployment in general.
We have a labour crisis caused by excessive visa workers. Fuck off we're full.
>>68232211
we have some refineries, but the cost of refining fuel in ausland due to stupid government tunnel vision is too high, we import because its cheaper, we have no nationalised plants, so the corporations make all the calls, and yeah, we got a few plants for generic fuel for trucks and cars, but thats about it.
Free trade is easy, don't have regulations. You don't need hundreds of pages to have free trade.
>>68231087
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
>>68232386
easy to set up, disastrous for the workers in the richer country.
>>68232382
kek, stupid government, why not just build more state-owned refinery, yes, they do cost some pollution, by with modern technology, it's not that bad.
>>68221682
TTP creates a unified set of anti-competitive intellectual property laws that fundamentally fly in the face of free trade.
By allowing a single corporation to hold a monopoly over commodities, you reduce efficiency for the sake of increasing profits for innovators and inventors. You can argue that this is a good thing because profits from intellectual property monopolies can be fed right back into research and development, but it's still anti-competitive by design.
>>68213798
Idiot.
TPP is the first step to a government by corporations
>>68214304
OK, I'll try.
Let's say you start up a company, Anon's family widget CO. You start small but your company makes the best widgets in the world and soon everyone wants one. To meet the demand you plan to expand production locally, hire more people, and grow the business. And soon the town of bumblefuck USA is a growing thriving center of production.
Still the demand grows higher and higher, now you have shareholders and haven't been on the floor making a widget in years. Someone suggests that they can save %60 on the labor cost by moving production to slavelaborstan. And now you have to fight your own business partners who want more profit.
Because of the lack of trade taxes with the tpp there is every insensitive to ship your company's production of widgets to a foreign country where labor is 1/3 Rd the cost. Overnight the entire town of bumblefuck is suddenly without work. All the people working in service jobs that helped the workers of your factory now have no customers. Those with enough money to leave flee the town and those left behind are stuck in a rapid decline to poverty.
This is what happened I. So many cities that were based around auto manufacturing.
If the US wants a trade deal it has to be benificial to the people as well as the corporation. But the people are the ones who need to come first.
Low wages in countries that can exploit workers won't lift up your own people it will devalue their labor.
>>68235551
Based
>>68213798
>Trump wants to literally stop Free Trade. Can you fuckers explain yourselves on why that's okay
"Okay" with whom? It's fine with me.
>>68213798
Free trade is best for GDP. However GDP shouldn't be the end goal. In many cases individuals are hurt by free trade. Free trade to benefit a few at the expense of the many even if it is more efficient does not meet the needs of the mass of voters.
A lower GDP with a higher median living standard is preferable to a larger GDP with a lower median living standard.
>>68235551
Legitimately awesome post
>>68239016
>Free trade is best for GDP.
That was correct before the last few decades, as free trade only entailed the flow of goods and services. However, in the modern era, free trade also brings the flow of capital and production capabilities, which lead to loss of GDP.
