https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cx2epPuKJo
I think Ben's starting to lose it
>>68201390
He's been talking about Trump non-stop
Which is fine with me because Ben is the only one with a coherent argument against him
>>68201458
So coherent that it isn't working on the electorate
>>68201522
The media tells so much bullshit about Trump, making stupid comparisons to Hitler and so on.
I think trumplets stopped responding to ANY criticism of Trump at this point, no matter how rational - they just ignore it.
Who? Didn't he quit over a woman that turned out to be lying? Why does anyone care about him any more?
Why does that autist talk so fast?
>>68201458
>He's a smart guy who went to Harvard and is good at debating so therefore everything he says is automatically right.
Every Ben Shapiro fan. Give it a few weeks and you will realise he is absolutely full of shit when it comes to Trump.
>>68201950
Lack of confidence. He sounds smarter when he talks quickly, so he reassures himself when he goes on in big words about an argument he could have summed up in a third of the time.
>>68202027
this 2bh family. He comes across well when you first hear him, but once you've heard or read quite a lot of his stuff you realise he's just talking a lot of shit.
Ben is a lost cause
Yes he is good at debates but all this speculation about Trump is making him just another shill.
>>68201390
I honestly feel sorry for Ben, I hope he overcomes his issues.
>>68201390
>mfw I made the Ben merchant meme that broke him
>>68201390
>I think Ben's starting to lose it
I noticed it when in one of his speeches he was talking about SJWs but then suddenly turned into a feminazi ranting about how terrible rapes are.
Like a brainwashed libtard.
Am I the only one who thinks Ben Shapirostein sounds like a more pepped-up and faster speaking Reviewbrah?
He thinks Trump won't deliver on his promises, but Cruz WILL?
Ben come on you're bought and paid for at least be a little less obvious.
>>68201390
Where was this during Romney? He was no "true conservative"
>>68201390
>muh true conservative
>guys hillary wont be that bad ;)
Wow. Us goys, right?
why does ben shapiro want hillary clinton to be the president of the united states?
i didnt know that being a republican means you want the other party to win
so do democrats want trump to win? whats going on? have i been doing politics wrong this whole time?
I don't think that he is completely wrong on everything, just that he thinks that Trump has no conservative principles whatsoever. Trump does, but he is not hard right like shapiro and others would like him to be.
Is there going to be a more authoritative, populist, and nationalist movement happen in America? Yes, but it was already wanting to happen in response to the left's anarchy and racism of the last 7 years, Trump just gave it a patriotic vision.
The left has become fanatical, and those types of people don't respond to high minded articles and laws. It took the German Freikorps army shooting every last one of them to stop the fanatical bunch of Bolsheviks back in their day,.... I don't see how this does not end up in the same way as it did back then at some point.
Call it tin foil stuff, but things are having a lot of similarities lately for some reason.
>>68201390
I always liked Ben but he's way too closed minded. Trump is realistic, Trump is pragmatic. Trump isn't a left or right wing ideologue like Ben. He's the kind of guy that will take a situation and try to find the best possible outcome regardless of ideology.
>>68201390
>Hillary isn't that bad
Ben
Your Star of David is showing.
>>68201390
People like this need to be purged. He isn't even a part of the establishment and he will still shill for them. He isn't even a part of the group that would benefit from defeating Trump and, still, he tries to pull people away from moving toward Trump.
He doesn't know what Conservative even means. The whole conservative versus liberal dichotomy is completely lost in American politics because there is no such thing as truly conservative. When someone shows up who is truly conservative and isn't a classical liberal like him, or a neoliberal like the people we usually fight against, somehow they're not a conservative.
If I had my way, the nationalist/populist movement would outmaneuver the dominant parties, assert itself as the primary force in government, and then declare political parties illegal while remaining at the top. This would create an authoritarian regime of national-populists that could keep the subversive Marxist and capitalist elements from infecting culture and destroying the economy with their strict ideologies that do not allow for change in market conditions. This political elite, made up of business, military, governmental, and tech people, would be the foundation of a new aristocracy for a new empire.
>>68201390
Pretty hypocritical of him to criticize Trump for his personal brand as Ben Shapiro himself is nothing more than his own personal brand.
But a whiny pencil necked jew has a hell of a lot less charisma than Donald Trump.
>>68204756
I was going to start a thread expanding on a point you brought up. Nationalism. Isn't nationalism just another way of saying patriotic? Putting Americans first in America shouldn't be viewed as an extreme viewpoint in America. I've always been patriotic, and have never understood why we are doing everything in our power to help other countries. We have homelesness and poverty here in America that is just glossed over. Our veterans are calling the VA hotline, and not reaching a live person. I'm glad Trump is seeing these things and pointing out how wrong they are. If more of our elected officials were Nationalist, we would be better off. I know globalism is sort of where these problems started, in government anyway. I wonder how Nationalism will affect global industry and America being the "world police". Anyone can chime in. Not trying to hijack the thread. Just thought this is more interesting than kikes kikeing.
>>68201390
Woah did he cut his hair?
>>68204203
He's right, Trump won't do it
None of them really make good on their promises
You "redpills" are so naive, you don't know anything other than bigotry
>>68201390
>rather than personality
>ben shapiro
come on
COME ON
There wasn't a single coherent argument in his video. He recycles the same, tired position: calls Trump an authoritarian and claims he won't be able to accomplish anything he sets out to do.
Sorry Ben, we're not all meek defeatists like you. Fewer and fewer people give a shit about the antiquated religious zealot-driven conservative movement. The reason people are gravitating toward Trump is not because of some deep-seated anger that liberals love to invoke, it's because his nationalist policies are inherently appealing and logical, and the evangelical conservative philosophy is simply idiotic
>billionaire who could easily enjoy the rest of his life quietly
>decides to raze the establishment and what amounts to wage a war against world order. it's literally donald trump vs the world to become president
>he won't do what he says but the little weasel cruz definitely will!!!
if trump won't do what he says he has no reason to fucking run and do this kind of damage to his image worldwide. the entire world order is against trump FFS. that means it's serious.
>>68201390
Ben doesn't seem to understand that this is the Republican party on the brink of extinction, because whether its the Republicans or the Tea Party, they aren't remaining loyal to their voters. The Omnibus that passed this year is absolute proof of this.
Ben Shapiro and his ilk can support the new conservatism like Trump, or they can support other conservative parties, like the Libertarians or the Constitution Party, which has no interest in continuing to spend US lives and resources on countries like Israel.
Personally, I don't care. The Republican party as Shapiro knows it is dead, and it's dead by the hands of the Republican politicians.
>>68205357
>declare political parties illegal.
As someone who believes in freedom, this gives me pause. While I can see how this would be a "net good" course of action, how do you reconcile that it flies in the face of freedom? Is it the might makes right argument? I would worry the push back might eventually push the pendelum all the way to the other extreme.
>>68205668
It really depends on the brand of nationalism you're subscribing to. Nationalism is susceptible to extremism just like anything else and it will be seen as a threat to global peace. Globalism fails because people cannot get along. Nationalism is a non-homogenous state will fail for much the same reason. Nationalism in a homogenous state will fail because of worldwide opposition. Nationalism does have a lot of benefits though if it can be spun in a way that will not make anyone mad, Trump doesn't really do that. This is all just conjecture though and I can't predict the course of human history, I'm all for trying nationalism here because I truly love my fellow humans despite all our flaws and it is much easier to love an entire country compared to the entire world.
>>68206267
>might makes right argument
There is no argument here, depending on what your definition of "right" is. If it is "morally" right, then not even cultural norms can change that in my mind. But if you're talking about "legally" right, then it is the definitive truth of history that might makes right.
You have a responsibility to you and those you care about to use your might to keep those who might oppose you from taking what you have and victimizing you. Having some lofty principle of freedom is only sufficient to that end if all parties in question observe this ideal. Enforcement of the ideal of freedom would be an inherent violation of it. I want to use might to keep those I care about safe, and that is the only right there is.
/r/ing video of Ben with the merchant cartoons
>>68201390
Ben needs to suck it up. Join the Trump and beg Breitbart to give him his job back.
>>68206248
>>68205357
I'm 95% sure that Shapiro's opposition to Trump stems entirely from a belief that his nationalist policies and pro-Israel but not owned by them nature isn't as good for the Jews as Clinton would be.
>>68206456
I could never get behind Natsoc. I fully believe that a person should get where they are in life based on merit and personal achievement. Trust fundies, while annoying, did get to their station on merit. Not their own, but merit nonetheless. I'm happy to see so many people are identifying with the Trump campaign and this gives me hope for the future. Even if Trump doesn't go the distance, he lit the match that started the fire in all of us. Anything other than a Trump presidency at this point, will only stoke the flames.
>>68201390
I can understand his reasoning for not wanting trump. He believes trump will taint the conservative movement. I think the old type of conservatism is just impractical at the moment. We are at war with the far left. The rise of trump and the alt right is in direct response to the conservative right being inept to fight the left.
>>68207082
Ditto. I'm very libertarian, but only within our own borders. I have no issue with keeping foreigners out of the economy. Guess that makes me a National Libertarian or some shit.
>>68206949
I think you are right on the money. His proposed reason for not liking Trump is ludicrous. He would rather support a bureaucratic legislator over a businessman because he wants capitalism. And then, when it comes down to a choice of either a socialist or a capitalist, he will pick the socialist because he wants capitalism.
He attempts to justify it to his viewers, but I think you're right. Him, and many other Jews in the media only dislike Trump because he isn't bought and payed for by Jewish money and is not controlled by them.
>>68207236
>The rise of trump and the alt right is in direct response to the conservative right being inept to fight the left.
If the left is his real enemy, this is more reason than any to support the alt right. The fact is, the left is not his real enemy.
If your enemy is truly the Marxists, you will have gotten on the Trump train by now. The Marxists have subverted and destroyed our entire democratic processes, making it virtually impossible to be elected but through the sponsorship of the elites. Trump stands in defiance of their order.
>>68206487
This does make sense to me. Again, I do think eliminating parties would be a good and beneficial thing. I think if there is a way to eliminate the partisan extremism we've been seeing for at least 16 years, America would benefit. I'm just not sure how eliminating the freedom of political choice in regard to a group sharing ideals, working to advance an agenda would be anything other than fascist. I guess my real question is, can this be accomplished peacefully, and if not, would the violence of such an act be seen as a necessary evil?
>>68207552
>making it virtually impossible to be elected but through the sponsorship of the elites.
It was always this way, and was always intended to be this way.
The rising hate against the elite stems not from the autocratic nature of the US government, but from the fact that they are now openly not working towards the interests of the nation and its people but rather towards the interests of global capitalists and puppetmasters.
>>68207307
I call myself a libertarian nationalist sometimes. Which is really kind of an oxymoron but who cares. I view America in the 19th century as being libertarian nationalist.
>>68207307
I have been libertarian for years. Then Trump comes along and I had to switch to republican. I think there are a lot of people who would identify as National Libertarian. As an aside, I really think Trump is going to take AZ with more than 50% on Tuesday. I already early voted by mail. Trump's ideas are really resonating with a lot of us here. I know many legal mexican immigrants that are voting Trump. Rural AZ is where its at.
>>68207725
>can this be accomplished peacefully
Those in power are not going to relinquish it freely.
>would the violence of such an act be seen as a necessary evil?
Not by those in league with the enemy. But the answer to the question of whether it is seen as an evil, a necessary evil, or an overall good is completely dependent on who succeeds. If we lose, it will be seen as an evil. If we win, it will be seen as a good.
Also, you say America would benefit from this, but then you question it because it's "fascist". Why are you going to let your idea of what is good for the country be changed by a buzzword?
>>68207771
But cultural Marxism is a relatively new phenomenon, only coming to America around the mid-20th century. After communist Jews in academia were chased out of Frankfurt, Germany by the Nazis, they came to the University of Columbia where they pumped critical theory into America's academic veins. This ideological foundation of cultural Marxism that university students have been receiving for over half a century has destroyed American culture and seeped into the political class. Because of cultural Marxism, the political class, along with all of academia, is no more different from us than an alien race.
>>68207552
Ben supports ideology and methods that are completely inadequate to fight the far left. At this point morality, ethics and the constitution are handicaps. The left is willing to ignore these things and we cant fight them unless we do too.
the ONLY reason you don't like shapiro is because he doesn't gargle trumps balls like you want. you cannot handle a nuanced opinion. /pol/ is nothing but underage easily swayed and upset plebs. might as well vote for bernie.
>>68201390
Ben Shapiro is like Winston Smith at the end of 1984.
>He loved Donald Trump.
>>68208243
I wish I could have voted (KS here), but we have weird fucking rules. Closest place for me to vote was 35 minutes away, and they were only open from 10am-2pm. I worked that Saturday for OT, from 645am-245pm.
I accepted the OT thinking the primary here would be like election day, from like 9am to like 6pm or something. But I just couldn't do it.
And so I couldn't vote Trump. I'm not Trump's biggest fan, but, lets face it; the libertarian movement isn't gonna with the presidency, and Trump is a great middle finger to Republicans all around.
>>68201390
he misses completely one of the main point of donald trumps possible presidency
its symbolic of those who vote for him, regardless how he will turn out afterwards
its the same with the right wing parties in europe, it give hope for those who do not want to be controlled by money or too big organizations. this is real, because we make sense of it all and will never stop doing so. this has allowed us to explain to larger audience what is going on, as perviously they werent interested of it at all. now however, they are and the train cannot be stopped
>>68201390
he has a good point
either way tho, war is coming
politics is meh
>>68208379
'cept that the day he turned on Trump, he went full buzzwords 'r' us.
>>68208365
I agree wholeheartedly with you. However, morality and ethics are not the same thing. Ethics are codes of behavior laid down by man, and morality is a set of non-negotiable principles inherent in human existence.
It is immoral to cling to ethical codes that ask you to do nothing while you and those you care about are being victimized by people who do not observe the same ethical codes. It is not abandoning morality to fight the left, but finally adhering to it.
I think the biggest reason Ben Shapiro and others fear Donald Trump is because of the uncertainty of his actions while in office. He can be unpredictable, and typically presidential candidates have for into a very specific mold. Presidential politics have been stale for decades. We keep putting up the same bought and paid for party brown shirts on both sides and it hasn't ended in any beneficial consequence to the average voter.
Donald is different from any other man to run in modern history. Everyone talked about how historical Obama is as president, Trump will be the man to overshadow everything that Obama was. This is incredible history we are witness to
>>68201522
Most of the voters don't speak Yiddish.
>>68208319
I actually considered wording things differently to avoid using it. I think part of the reason the radicals on both sides have been able to get away with so much for so long, is that people like me have clung to freedom. We know it is being eroded. I'd like to say I cling to the ideal of freedom because it is just. It has not been just, though. It has been warped and tainted to promote harmful policy. I have hoped for a while for a righting of the ship. I think a Constitutional Convention is in order. All that I know is this, if there isn't meaningful change and specific limitation of govt, all is lost. Violence won't be likely, it will be guaranteed.
>>68201390
>trumpism
Just keep inventing buzzwords I'm sure his numbers will drop when you make just the right one
