What happens if Mexico doesn't pay for The Wall?
Seize the remittances and pay that way.
>>68186327
>>68186259
Yea they don't really have a choice.
They will pay for it.
>>68186259
They'll pay.
>>68186327
DING-DING-DING!
And we have a winner!
Winner winner chicken dinner.
First post always best post.
>>68186259
I hope that explains it for you, OP
>>68186259
They pay.
>>68186259
it will get 10 feet taller
>What if
Trump is planning a war lol
>>68186259
call them terrorists and bomb their children and homes
call every jew and soros a nazi when they complain
>>68186259
Private industry would pay for it then. They stand to lose the most if NAFTA gets jammed up.
So no here has any actual answers?
>>68186259
we give them half a billion every year in aid. simply use that money. this is exactly what trump said i can't understand why so many people ask this stupid question.
>>68186259
It's not in their power to refuse payment.
We hold all the cards.
>>68186259
México is not going to pay for the wall.
Maybe the inmigrants who are in USA will do, but México no.
Trump can dream about it and all of you too.
But your country will not gonna see a simple cent from my pocket.
Fuck you.
>>68186626
use the 500 million bucks in aid money we give them ever year
No one's gonna write a physical check. Mexico pays by the money kept in America not going over the border to pay for drugs.
>>68186259
America forces us to.
They have plenty of means to achieve it, they could start by seizing the assets mexican politicians have in the US
You wouldn't believe how many corrupt mayors and governors here have properties in the US.
>>68186611
pretty much this
they will pay
>>68186259
They starve
>>68186259
>Implying Trump isn't getting BTFO in the general
>>68186808
you have to go back
>>68186259
trump will send his collection agents to mexico city.
>>68186702
If the US stops giving Mexico aid wouldn't there be like mass starvation's and poverty?
>>68186808
White guy here, we don't want you back.
To any Americans thinking they would invade Mexico. It wouldn't be worth it.
You're literally risking soldiers lives over a wall and are even putting citizens in danger.
If the worst came to the worst, then best thing to do is just pay for it yourselves. Mexico just no longer receive their foreign aid gibs.
It's a win win for both parties.
Tariffs, and as a result we also import or export less goods from/to mexico which should put pressure on them to fuck up less--that part won't happen though.
>>68186632
Well, then México is not gonna pay the wall..
Is the same U.S. money just focused to other branch.
Ok for me. Better in that way.
>Implying mexicans would pay for anything other than beer
Gringos ilusos
>>68186259
is that the wall in Israel? they really are fascists aren't they.
>>68186766
Do Mexicans want to pay for the wall?
>>68186259
Worst case is that US gives us Embargo
which wont work since we are "Merchant" the country
Cause MUH
>Muh GDP
>Muh Trade Deals
>Muh Clean UN record Nukes? ; what are those?
>>68186259
Don't give them an option. Tariff mother fucker. Blow NAFTA up.
>>68186661
of course not, it's our money in your pockets anyway. enjoy that US aid paco
>>68186661
You will pay.
>>68186949
And?
What do you guys think about these arguments for an open border?
>Society as a whole suffers when those without documents are afraid to report a crime to police or cooperate as witnesses or enroll their children in pubic school. The broader community suffers if undocumented people are afraid to go to a public health-care facility although they may be carriers of contagious disease or suffer from a health problem that may impact the well-being of others”
>An open-border is wanted by a clear majority of United States citizens.
>>68186661
It's a shame really, Mexico could be a pretty cool place if it wasn't corrupt as fuck. I feel like there's not history of trying to solve anything and it's all mostly accepted as just the way things are.
You should probably see if Spain will take you back, but Spain is pretty fucked up, too.
>>68186327
As well as reducing aid.
Also, not sure if this is on the table but illegal immigrants cost billions per year, maybe that figure is going into it.
>>68186661
The mexican goverment already steals most of your money by taxing it, mexico will pay for the wall wether you like it or not
>>68187057
Tariffing Mexico would be against NAFTA and wouldn't be worth it for a stupid wall
>>68186949
There won't be if they pay for the wall
>>68186259
Ann explains how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69F7kj7p6wY&feature=share
>>68186259
"That's like not even 98 or 99 percent, that's a HUNDRED PERCENT they're paying".
THERE IS NO FAGGOT SPOON LIBTURD !
>>68187099
There is no argument for open borders.
>>68187022
this guy gets it.
and nothing of value was lost.
>>68186327
Does the USA really pay tribute to Mexico?
>>68186626
It's been said thousands of times, consider paying attention at some point. I could fucking list them but you can also fucking google just as easily.
>>68186632
>>68186702
>>68186835
>>68186949
So this is the Trump plan?..
lol.
Just is the same money of the U.S. redirected to build the wall.
Any way, we dont need that money. The msot of it goes to ONG´s, war on drgus, and other useful stuff that we can afford easily.
If this is the plan, well. Keep your concept of "Buld the wall". At last, is the same American money.
>>68186949
no. mexico GDP is 1200 billion, having 0.5 billion less won't result in mass starvation. only like 10% of aid money ever reaches needy people anyway, charity is a fucking scam.
>>68187022
its is you paying for the wall because its your money being used on the wall. if trump isn't elected your cartels will get it.
>>68187044
yeah just like the Mexicans who wall off their southern border, fucking fascists, right? just like half the countries in eastern europe, fascists.
>>68186949
Well that would just be horrible, I couldn't imagine a world where Mexico was poor
>>68187002
>pay for it yourselves.
yeah you don't get it.
We don't have to pay for it ourselves so we wont.
Realpolitik, do you speak it?
>>68186259
We start up nuclear testing again all along the border and make a wall of radiation instead.
Anyone glowing green and selling oranges gets shot on sight
>>68186632
Because mexicans are dumb as fuck
>President trump exec orders western union to stop transfers to mexico
>Mexican economy collapses in a hour.
>>68187243
NAFTA has been fucking us from day one. Tackle the wall issue by kicking NAfTA straight in the nuts. Mexico isn't the real problem here, it's our own corporations seeking cheaper labor. This is a twofer
>>68186808
>"faggot here, cuckposting"
Have another (you) retard
>>68186808
Hispanic here.
Can i?..
>>68187293
No, $26.6B of their economy is money earned in the US by Mexican gardeners and nannies and sent home. It's the largest sector of their economyc, accounting for about a quarter of GDP, even more valuable than their oil industry.
>>68187293
Spics illegally enter the states, receive welfare, and send the money home to their families in Mexico
Why doesn't America simply build an ocean around its borders? It worked for Australia?
>>68187589
I'll post a time stamp right now.
>>68187522
kill all work visas. sick of competing with mexicans in the construction market. they send 80% of their money straight out of our economy to mexico. fucking stupid.
>>68187293
Illegals send money back to their families
>>68187334
It's simple and easy
>>68186661
>>68186808
>>68187022
>>68187037
>>68187334
FALSE FLAGS
PROXIES TRYING TO DISCREDIT MEXICO
DO NOT FALL FOR THE BAIT
>>68187641
>>68187710
Ah, I see. In Australia we call them Taxi Drivers
>>68187287
Well the first point I quoted seems to want to make the claim that because of those, our anti-immigration policies should be more lenient.
>>68187099
>>An open-border is wanted by a clear majority of United States citizens.
ROFLMAO - NOT TRUE NOT EVEN CLOSE LIKELY 95%+ AGAINST
He's not literally sending mexico a bill
They'll tax goods imported from Mexico and force them to pay for it or accept not being able to do trade in the lucrative US market.
Mexico has no choice in the matter.
>>68187670
Make sure to fill it with plenty of dangerous animals.
Jellyfish, sharks, crocodiles, stingrays, etc.
Preferably the kind that attack boats.
>>68186259
i would be down for going to war with mexico, just dropping a few bombs on them until they payed but everyone would start crying like bitches
>>68187022
NO SPIC
your fuckin dirt fuckers will be sneding less than half down to the shithole nation south - buh bye free money fuckhead
IT WILL BE CONFISCATED WITH FORCE FOR THE WALL
20 BILLION PILE PER YEAR... PLENTY OF PICKINS NIG
>>68187825
There is no argument for open borders.
None.
>>68186661
>México is not going to pay for the wall.
>Maybe the inmigrants who are in USA will do, but México no.
You retarded beaner
You do realize 25 billion in remittances are sent from the USA to Mexico.
This 25 billion mostly comes from Mexican illegals who work in the USA and send money back to mexico.
Trump can simply order seizing the remittances or putting a tax on them.
The ONLY way around this would be transferring the money to a third country but 99% of mexicans will not have triple citizenships or business accounts in other countries.
>>68188248
>company sets up a funds transfer for illegal immigrants
>just takes the money
>>68186259
I guess they'll never get any foreign aid and NAFTA goes in the trash. Oh and we'll use the CIA to start a civil war.
>>68186259
What if they start digging really deep tunnels?
There are more mexicans coming back to Mexico than mexicans crossing the border, the ones flooding the U.S are central and south americans. Building a wall in the mexican southern border will be more effective and waaaay less expensive.
What statistics do you guys have on illegal Mexicans that suggest immigration reform is needed?
>>68188545
Cartels already use tunnels
The US could pay for 10 walls with a fraction of what it currently spends on housing, feeding, and arresting Mexican illegals.
>>68188545
Ground penetrating radar.
We're not just building a wall, we're monitoring and equipping it.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
>>68188377
You do realize that it costs around 10 million to become a registered money transmitter in the US!
You would need another 10 million to become one in your intermediate country.
This includes hiring book keepers, and undergoing financial audits from the SEC
And that someone moving 25 billion through a 3rd party company to Mexico is easily tracked.
Tl:dr you are a retard.
Mexico has LITERALLY no choice but to pay
>>68188726
Why cant we just pay for the Wall?
>>68186259
Make it one foot taller for each month they refuse to pay. They will pay for it.
>>68188819
>why should the person who creates the car crash pay for the damages
Fuck off
>>68186327
>>68186419
Define it. Aaand go
>>68188819
Because if we pay for the wall Mexico won't have to pay for it.
>>68188819
Because, we have a trade deficit that must come to balance.
Donald Trump will put an end to the misuse of our tax money.
Repeal NAFTA and impose tariffs on Mexico.
>>68188545
Tunnels don't allow for mass inmigration.
They're also dangerous and run by criminals.
>>68186259
I get the feeling there are some Chinese investment firms who really, really want Trump to ramp up the tariffs.
Just saying.
>>68186259
We'll build it anyway, out of pocket. After one year of keeping illegal immigrants and drugs out of the country the costs savings will pay for themselves.
>>68188938
Ok so nobody can transfer money anymore. When he's done spying on you and closing businesses then Venezuelan style shortages will be welcomed I guess
>>68186259
>There are people who unironically believe that Trump will actually build a wall.
All hail the god emperor, but "le wall"? Really?
Are you people 12?
>>68188938
Dumb mexicans go to the grocery store for a wire transfer to mexico with their illegal immigrant bux. We say "oops, there's a big fee on that now", we take that money and pay for the wall. :^)
>>68189132
This. It's like a 15 year old meme on its last legs
![194962_5_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wN5zAN7.jpg "194962_5_[1].jpg")
>>68188605
>What statistics do you guys have on illegal Mexicans that suggest immigration reform is needed?
By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.
Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.
Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.
In reality it is EVEN HIGHER, because there are good illegals from china/East Europe/India who don't commit crime yet are factored into the population of illegal immigrants
>>68187049
No one wants to pay for the wall out of their pockets.
>>68187099
Both of those cases are very situational, and you shouldn't take the concept of an "open border" lightly, it means that you will let in who knows how many people from a different place, different culture and with a different language.
Forget about police cooperation, because if you let foreign criminals into your country you'll be into even deeper shit.
Forget about healthcare, because the system would collapse with the sudden influx of people coming in from who knows where carrying who knows which kind of disease.
If you're gonna make law it should apply to everything in an uniform way, if you give medical treatment to a single illegal you have to give it to every illegal, if you give education to a single illegal you give education to everyone. And i bet you guys don't exactly have enough money and infraestructure to go around playing the altruistic idiot role.
It just seems like a douche move to force another country to pay for our wall
>>68189110
Why are people like you so fucking retarded?
>>68186259
Probably arrest the illegals and hold them hostage torture them and hold them for ransom
>>68186259
Then theybget no foreign aid and they willnbe banned from exporting plus the wall will go up even if the u.s. pays for it
>>68189232
Sometimes you have to be a douche to clean out the pussies.
>>68189132
The wall is a symbol that we're not going to take shit anymore from other countries. We're taking America in a new direction and you foreign cucks can suck our dicks.
The wall should be reminder that we are serious about you paying for our military.
>>68189232
Maybe they should've thought twice about giving our immigration laws the finger.
>>68189388
>The wall is a symbol that we're not going to take shit anymore from other countries.
Excuse me, but isnt your country the one bombing other nations and has carrier groups in every ocean?
Are you autistic?
>We're taking America in a new direction and you foreign cucks can suck our dicks.
Whats that new direction? Delusion?
>The wall should be reminder that we are serious about you paying for our military.
Ok, autism it is.
>>68189141
>we take that money and pay for the wall.
what happens when they all start mailing cash ? Oh we ban cash so the guberment can monitor and tax all transactions.
>>68186259
Invade and put a 90% flat tax on the conquered land
also stop the foreign aid
>>68189538
What the fuck is wrong with you? You didn't even try to address anything I said. Instead you just dove right off the deep end with Sanders-supporter-esque retarded drivel.
You know that money your shit country doesn't pay for military because the United States provide global protection? You're going to start paying.
>>68189586
You can't mail cash
>>68188745
That's 20 billion being sent though, and I'm sure you could easily make $20 million off the illegals alone.
You're a retard, the idea was scamming the illegals not helping them.
Come someone redpill me on NAFTA? Is it good? Bad?
>>68189586
Yeah, that's smart. Mail cash to Mexico in envelopes. I'm sure that's not going to lead to theft. :^)
>>68188605
>>68189716
Now say it again without crying burger.
>>68189716
>You didn't even try to address anything I said.
Dont take this personally, but if you dont sound like an adult, dont expect to be treated like one.
>You know that money your shit country doesn't pay for military because the United States provide global protection?
You mean thanks to WW1 and your "intervention" in the last 6 months of the war including Versailles, disbanded the Austrian empire?
Or do you mean you fucking up Europe again in WW2?
Stop with the non-sensical rhetoric. The US has benefited from total world domination for along time.
Its not Europe's or Mexico's (or even China's) fault that the US moved industry overseas, stopped innovating and the gap between poor and rich got irreversably huge.
Blame your shitty 2 party system and your joke politics.
>US education
Thats the real issue here. US education used to be decent. Now its a sad joke. We literally make fun of Americans for being retards. Places like MIT are full of foreigners, because Americans are too uneducated to get admitted.
>>68190136
callate guey. saca tu familia de mi pais.
>>68188726
Well, we can make the same.
We can start to ask for visa to the gringos and their bussinesmans here. In that way we can balance the cost of the wall.
I thnk that we have more bussines and bussinesmans from gringoland here that the ones you have there.
So, we can make the same and still win.
>>68190176
Again, you're incapable of staying on topic. You only do ad hominems. Like seriously, you just say insults and go on contrived tangents projecting your own wild delusions.
Sorry, but you suck at writing a compelling argument. 0/10 -- F -- failed to address any of the points made.
>>68190400
>[Autism intensifies]
This isnt plebbit kid. Go find a hugbox somewhere else.
>>68190347
We're already planning on tariffs on companies in Mexico wanting to sell here. Sorry, it's going to be out of style to do business in Mexico with Trump in charge.
Better buy some survival supplies Paco because your economy is going to crash. :^)
>>68190849
Seriously, you're fucking messed up.
>>68186259
he's not going to send them a bill, he's going to take it out of their aid from the US.
Despite what liberals may think no foreign country has a right to us money. so yes they will pay.
>>68189840
How the FUCK are you going to scam 20 million while passing SEC audits? And avoid the FEDS throwing you in jail.
Literally the only way to move mass amounts of money out of the country is if you are doing it for legit business needs
the FED's aren't stupid, the days of some guy selling a bunch of fake investments and then grabbing the money and fleeing to another country are over
>>68192520
Just be a bank of sorts.
People send money into one account, then send money from that account to another.
You're thinking too hard, it was a fucking joke you god damn autist.
>>68189110
A simple 10% - 30% tax on remittances should cover the bill for the wall.
A certain number of Mexicans will need to send money and would be okay with the remittance tax.
The only loser is Mexico and the person receiving the cash
>>68189208
>>68190051
Thanks
>>68186259
Go to Trump's website and read it for yourself.
Lazy cunt
>>68192725
I'd say make it 50%, and for every 10 feet they add, we add 10%.
>>68187853
>bill
>>68186259
Does the POTUS have the right/ability to cancel foreign aid debt on his own without approval of congress?
How long would building the wall take, how long will it cost? Isn't there a wall in some places already, will these parts be incorporated into the new structure?
Won't Mexican just tunnel under it like the Palestinians do from Gaza into Israel?
>>68186259
we tax them
>>68186259
I hope the wall includes some artistry of unique architectural beauty.
Would be nice if it could become like our Great Wall of China rather than Berlin Wall 2.0
I see a potential tourist attraction. In places with nice views I hope some kind of ballistic glass can be used rather than concrete.
>>68186259
I personally believe that the wall could be used as a way to generate more jobs, so why don't take the Mexican aid money and spend it on paying people over here to build the wall.
>>68186661
Your paying right now just by being here on this site
Trump has said he's paying for it with tariffs, which means YOU IDIOTS will be paying for it. Good fucking job. And you say Sanders supporters are economically illiterate.
>>68193755
a jobs program for contractors? Sure why not. That's hardly a conservative measure but it beats sending the cash south of the border.
>>68193052
Just because some people might be able to get by shouldn't mean you should open the floodgates.
>>68194184
Agreed but the juice may not be worth the squeeze. Many will still drip through.
>>68186259
what leverage does mexico have?
how will they survive without murrican cash?
>>68194316
If they manage to make it economically unviable for most people to get smuggled past the wall (which digging under definitely falls under), so that people smugglers would have to charge so much money that nobody could pay for it, then they already reached their goal.
>>68189232
>billions of dollars from ILLEGAL mexican immgirants go back to Mexico every year
>we should be okay with this
>>68187334
Its still out of Mexico's pocket you stupid fuck.
If your white boss normally pays you 100 Paso's a month to cut his lawn, but pays you 80 Paso's one month to buy a drink, you are indirectly paying for his drink.
>>68186259
They get nuked
>>68186626
Hey Carl the Cuck, the first post literally showed you the answer.
Fucking dumbass libcuck.
>>68186938
LOL the Mexicants don't have any answer to this one.
ITT: "Donald Trump will make anime real" levels of answers
>>68197024
Aren't you late on the cartel payments Juan? Don't want your family beheaded now do you?
>>68186259
When he says "They will pay for it" he doesn't mean that the president of Mexico goes to the white house and gives Donald a cheque.
He always meant they will pay for it by increasing tarrifs, reduction in aid, penalties to Mexican businesses, asset seizure, etc.
They will pay because they will be FORCED to pay.
>>68193052
Building a wall from scratch (and we do want to build the wall from scratch, because the 'wall' we have is so low that mexicans can literally play volleyball over it, it's total dogshit) and building it properly out of rebar and concrete, like Trump has said he will, will probably take 2-4 years, very roughly, and cost 10-12 billion dollars total.
Mexicans won't build tunnels under the wall. Mexican CARTELS might build tunnels, but tunnels are VERY easy to find if you've actually got the manpower and time to look for them. Once we aren't forcing our border patrol to protect 2000 miles of unsecured land and let them focus on locating intruders through drones and other assorted tech, we can collapse the drug-runner/people-smuggler tunnels faster than they can build them. All we have to do is stop trying to fight half-a-dozen wars on two-dozen fronts and take the issues one at a time. That was Hitler's only mistake, and it singlehandedly destroyed the most powerful economy in all of europe at the time.
10,000% Oreo tax
>>68186661
You've been living off OUR money too long, Paco.
Now pay for the wall you bean nigger.
They become the 51st state and shut the fuck up with that burrito jibber jabber.
>>68186259
He's bluffing. Trump is controlled opposition from the Hillary campaign. I can't believe /pol/ hasn't picked up on this lmfao.
Enjoy President Hillary Rodham Clinton, you bunch of dumpy niggers.
>>68187960
>Jellyfish
>Stingrays
>Dangerous
Maybe if you're a wildlife poser from Australia with a TV show.
>>68199376
Yeah, gimme two polo chimis and send your sister over to fuck that donkey again.
>>68199455
>Jellyfish
>Stingrays
>Not dangerous
Come on family
>>68199548
What's it like living a country where "foreigners" are retaking their land in your two most populated and wealthy states (plus four others), and saying something about it makes you lose your job?
I'll wait for your response while I homestead in the new Annex of the Republic of Mexico. I bet 1,000 pesos that you hesitate to mildly protest under your breath while you pack your shit.
>>68199657
They're not. Jellyfish stings are mildly irritating and if you shuffle your feet you will NEVER get stung by a stingray. Are all Americans such massive pussies?
Spoiler: yes.
>>68199934
>http://www.conservationinstitute.org/7-deadliest-poisonous-jellyfish-world/
>mildly irritating
Also, stingrays are a kind of honorary dangerous animal to Australians.
>>68199934
>Irukandi jellyfish's stings are so severe they can cause fatal brain haemorrhages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irukandji_jellyfish
>>68199934
>you will NEVER get stung by a stingray
>>68199230
>OUR money he proclaims as he sits his fat ass in his chair while he sips dr pepper looking at his resume and the fact that he hasn't ever had a job.
Stop all trade with Mexico, the whole country would be dead within a couple days until they pay up
>>68186259
Hillary will win no doubt but we are already preparing our air crafts for a war..
Cause if trump wins that's what will happen.
>>68199793
We're working on it with the wall thing and Trump BTFO all republicans.
>>68200906
Honest question.
If you go to war with the USA, what happens to your economy? Like do you have any sort of trade besides leeching off the USA?
think about it a wall makes it easier for them to come. The narcs are experts in making holes if they make a wall they will never be able to see mexicans come
>>68201013
You do realize there is tunnel detecting technology right?
Besides, tunnels are extremely expensive to make and are only really used to transport drugs. There was one tunnel that was about 2km long and crossed the border from one warehouse to another, it was like a mini traintrack.
>>68200973
their economy will shit the bed hardcore and they will lose the war or take all of south america with them and lose the war.
>>68200906
After looking it up, you'd be FUCKED.
No wonder you guys are so scared about Donald Trump.
>Mexico’s main exports are manufactured products (83 percent of total shipments) and oil and oil products (13 percent). Main imports are: metallic products, machinery and equipment (50 percent of total imports), mining products (13 percent) and chemical products (6.3 percent). Mexico´s main trading partner is the United States (80 percent of total exports and 51 percent of imports).
>Mexico recorded a trade deficit of 3441.04 USD Million in January of 2016. Balance of Trade in Mexico averaged -265.33 USD Million from 1980 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 1710.25 USD Million in March of 2013 and a record low of -3441.04 USD Million in January of 2016
So you need us to sell you oil AND to buy your manufactured goods.
Damn the wall is gonna be awe-me.
>>68200906
Mexi bro? No response?
