>been considering converting to Islam
>have started reading a translation of the Koran by Rodwell
>am slowly making progress, but still have my doubts
>some passages disturb me
>don't want to give up sex with my gf
Muslims of /pol/, do you have any advice for me? This is a difficult spiritual time
>>68182003
>wanting to be a goatfucker
>ever
>>68182003
You're reading the wrong book friend.
>>68182078
>>68182125
Thanks for you concern brothers, but I have made up my mind. I must follow this path.
>>68182003
Why? Islam attracts the mentally ill and retarded.
are you going to move to a muslim country?
>>68182224
So prove to me you're not a retard and tell me why that is so. Hard mode : you can't tell me Islam is true because it has the things you like.
I'm probably in a secret Dawah thread anyway.
>>68182352
No. Spirituality is a private journey. Therefore, I believe neither in argumentation nor proselytizing.
>>68182224
>ive made up my mind
Fuck off muslim
translating the qu'ran is blasphemous in itself desu senpai
>>68182003
I know what could help. Killing yourself :)
>>68182561
So how are you gonna reconcile that fact with those verses in the Koran that tell you that there's a God because there's rain?
Isn't the Koran nothing more than a long argumentative tract, which would make it non spiritual?
Or are you gonna tell me that the Koran is not a proselytizing book, or that Muhammad wasn't a proselytizer?
If Islam is truth, should it not be able to resist some examination? Can I turn truth into falsehood, falsehood into truth?
>1-888-C'MON-NOW.jpg
>>68182003
Bad b8 m8
>>68182932
>>68182921
>>68182639
Please don't shit up the thread. If you have nothing positive to contribute, don't post. I'm at a crisis point in my life and this is very important.
>>68183795
There is nothing spiritual about Islam at all.
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/91147.htm
>>68183795
We already know that if you're real your a hypocrite of weak faith, unable to defend what you advocate, with self-contradictory position.
>the Koran comes from God
>no argument please, the Koran is too fragile
You can fuck off.
>>68184421
*tips fedora*
>>68184592
>muh Islam
>muh sex
>help please
*tip crescent*
>>68182003
What convinced you?
>>68185857
The master morality of the Koran. Western slave morality gets you nowhere
>>68186409
Then move to Saudi Arabia.
>>68186409
>he follows a god without double checking he's not actually following sum demon
kek, enjoy your flames I guess
btw, there's only one sentence you can truly believe in the bible.
Its Jeremiah 8:8
It basically says you are not to believe anything else in the bible.
Good luck with your bad choice, though, if I were you, however, I would ask god for guidance.
>>68182003
FUCK OFF AND DIE
AVE MARIA DEUS VULT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY
>>68186627
>kek, enjoy your flames I guess
See what I mean? Instead of changing the world for the better, you condemn others to unspeakable fates.
>>68187220
Muslims state that Christians and everyone else will burn in Hell, too. Are you going to address that?
>>68182003
Enjoy worshiping the arab like a true cuck.
>>68182003
Read the Quran, Sira and Hadith. Do you really want to follow such a violent and hateful religion?
Not only that but they are wrong about Jesus. Look up Mike Licona on YouTube and find some videos on the resurrection of Jesus.
Do a YouTube search for "The Islamic Dilemma 03 Backgrounds of the Quran" to listen to an ex muslim point out flaws in Islam.
Good luck my friend. I hope Christ reveals himself to you.
worldtruthsummit.com/media-files/FactPersuasion.pdf
>>68186409
ding ding ding
Fucking moron.
>Islam is true because it gives me what I want
By the way, being a muslim means being "a slave to Allah".
>>68187220
>you condemn others to unspeakable fates.
Oh do go fuck yourself.
>>68182003
Just tell me where you are
>>68182003
marry her?
>don't want to give up sex
if something as trivial as that is stopping you then don't even bother
>>68186409
Islam is the most submissive, slavish religion out there. You literally kiss the fucking floor to pray
Just be a MINO, Muslim In Name Only. Then take quotes out of context to defend your decadence and degeneracy. It's what Christians do today. Just spout some shit like "We are all children of Allah. Now let me get drunk and fuck 10 prostitutes, cheating on my girlfriend I also have sex with before marriage."
I have more respect for ISIS than for faggots like you that want to be part of a spiritual group/religion, but don't want to follow its rules.
>>68188457
>>68188089
It does no good to reduce a rich religious tradition to platitudes like this
>>68182003
http://INFINITEch.net/islam/
Now gtfo out of here.
>>68188869
op, muslim here, why dont you just marry her. you could try converting her but its not necessary
>>68182003
simple
don't be muslim
your doubts are not ill-founded
>>68188869
>rich tradition
We know about your rich tradition, muslim.
>>68188941
>why dont you just marry her. you could try converting her but its not necessary
But this is what I'm worried about. She doesn't know about my religious journey, and I'm afraid she won't approve. She always makes fun of religious people. How can I marry someone who doesn't respect my fundamental beliefs?
>>68182003
Islam is cancer. Fuck you.
>>68182003
go for it bro, even muslim chicks have sex.. the temptation is too much for them
>>68182003
OP is a troll. A lot of Muslims want out of Islam.
>>68182003
>Converting to a religion still stuck in the middle ages
Maximum cuck.
>>68182003
Convert, then if you think your GF is worth spending your whole life with. Marry her.
Life like an awesome alpha, not a degenerate.
>>68189516
oh shes an atheist, in that case you can't marry her unless she's monotheist
In that case, I recommend telling her about your journey, I know many couples who converted together. In general, women follow the man's ideology, so if you show some determination she is probably going to take a look.
I don't think shes going to mock you. Worst case find a muslim qt.
>>68186409
ahahahaha, because primarily muslim countries are doing so well for themselves.
literally one step ahead of niggers in their development
>>68187749
my nigga, i'm working through those books right now
bumping with some BASED Abdul Basit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLXE7X92fXM
Convert and send me your gf I'll take good care of her.
>>68182003
Organized religion is a scam to steal all of your shekels, perpetrated by Jews and pseudo-Jews.
>>68182003
Just cut to the chase and kill yourself, and don't be a dick and take any normied with you.
Just go into the f o r r e s t. Climb a tall t r e e and h a n g y o u r s e l f.
No need to waste time or hurt anyone you sick fuck. Just go find your resting place, put the noose on and s l e e p.
>>68189869
Okay. Another thing is that I believe monogamy to be unnatural. I want to have multiple "wives"
How will the local muslim community feel about that?
>>68190266
What's with the spaces?
>>68190341
One for each time OP took mohammeds dick
>>68183795
>>68183795
Then kill yourself you selfish ingrate.
>>68190314
For the most part they are against it. It hasn't been a thing in most of the muslim world for atleast 2 generations.
>>68190341
Draws attention to the words.
OP is mentally ill and I'm hoping it will stick in that schizophrenic subconscious of his and follow directive.
>>68182003
>reading a guidebook for 6th century desert living
>>68190475
It really doesn't, capitalizing would have done a better job.
All it does is fragment the whole sentence structure, making me forget it immediately.
>>68190563
>not playing with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjobVoYeghM
>>68190314
You should stop calling your journey a "spiritual" journey. You just want sanctioned licentiousness.
>>68190266
>>68190411
>>68190021
>>68187749
How many of us are actually seriously anti-Islam on /pol/?
>>68190585
Are you OP?
>>68190314
>How will the local muslim community feel about that?
islam itself allows up to 4 wives if you have the means to take care of all of them equally
how your community feels about that i dont know it depends on each culture, you have to go around and ask i guess, mosques are a good place to start
you would have more luck in the gulf countries or sweden
>>68190604
I don't think muslims mind Quran burning. They burned all but one of their original Qurans because there were variations and Muhammad's and Allah's word is supposed to be perfect and universal.
>>68190681
I firmly believe that religion of the 6th century from the most famous pedophile have no place in our culture. Therefore, if we must live in peace, anti-Islam is the only option
>>68190681
I'm pretty serious.
Even been arrested for harassing a mosque, currently on 1 year good behaviour bond.
>>68190973
Once a neighbor converted to Islam.
The next day I bought a dog
Big pitbull
Called him Christ
>>68190681
I'm against Islam because it leads people away from Christ through deception. There is irrefutable proof that Jesus was crucified, died on the cross and resurrected. Look up Mike Licona on Youtube or look up Cold Case Christian.
I don't hate muslims though. I wish them no harm.
>>68191097
>Called him Christ
way to be an asshole, asshole
>>68190925
>>68190973
Fucking hell you people are based as fuck. How did you harass a mosque thought? You just in front of it with a sign?
Personally, I'd like to put a bunch of flyer around my town that would basically look like this. No need to harass anyone. We just want to make the local uncomfortable. (The muslims too, incidentally.)
Plus, what would they do? Arrest us for printing out what the Islamic sources say?
>>68190709
>you would have more luck in the gulf countries or sweden
Okay, any tips or resources to learn Arabic? I want to read the koran in the original and join the community here.
And how do I get multiple wives? I can get married in the mosque without the government knowing?
>>68191097
Kek. Should of bought a pet pig desu.
>>68182003
0/10
to complete your transformation, go live in the middle east and never return
>>68191293
Doxxed the leaders and spammed texts, emails, phoned them during paris attacks.
When I get home i'll make a thread showing the evidence on my arrest report.
>>68182003
>Pay tax or be their slave.
>>68191323
There are probably less than 1000 people who can even read bits of Classical Arabic which the original Qurans were written in. For something meant to be universal, it's awfully restrictive.
Wait until you get to the passages that talk about killing unbelievers :)
>>68191323
>Okay, any tips or resources to learn Arabic? I want to read the koran in the original and join the community here.
you could learn online, at university or in almost any arab country, I recommend qatar, they have english universities that teach arabic and quran
over there, its common to have 4 wives, in america I think its illegal, but you could just marry 4 women under shariah and not legally, then just live with them like you have 4 gfs
>>68190681
the more i study islam, the more fucked up i realize it is.
moderate muslims arent a thing. Sharia law claims that any other form of governing body is illegitimate and must be purged through Jihad.
so when i say islam isnt compatible with western civilization, that's not my bigoted, uneducated opinion, that's their declaration.
>>68190585
perhaps its a means of protecting himself from draconian hate speech laws
if you don't like what you see in the quran, try reading the old testament, or even some hindu texts
islam, just like the majority of religions, is hardly pacifist so you shouldn't really be surprised that it isn't
>>68190973
I just got off a good behaviour bond kek
>>68182224
so go blow yourself up why are you telling us?
>>68191759
The OT was very time specific and their laws only applied to Israelite and Jews, unlike sharia which forces the kafir to obey. Jesus did away with the OT laws.
>>68190681
>How many of us are actually seriously anti-Islam on /pol/?
m8 are you serious
this place is like 5% muslim or muslim apologist
>>68191719
Right. Islam is pretty much against any system that isn't itself and this in an absolute sense, which is why muslims are more or less traitors. But this hasn't really penetrated the western mind yet but it seems to me it would be trivially easy to do.
People already sense it anyway.
>>68182003
Just follow the parts you like and ignore everything else
How should I into Islam?
Once I finish the Bible, I plan on reading the Quran.
>>68191540
I don't know why people think classical is so much harder than modern Arabic. It's just a bunch of extra suffixes. Just add "yeen" to everything.
>>68192100
Oh and "un," don't forget to add the uns.
>>68191933
>>68191920
>>68191898
>>68191719
I'm sorry, but I just can't go in for Western culture any longer. It's weak, degenerate, and sickly. Islam is much closer to the beliefs of our ancestors than modern "Christianity" is. This culture worships women and failure.
You can either submit to the West or you can submit to God and enjoy the fruits of a culture that says yes to life.
>>68182003
Medium quality bait Ameribro
>>68191323
Pro-tip, you can't. Polygamy is illegal.
>>68182003
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-0zpu2toenZF1QZ-ZqaSvFsFXX7EzQLh
Here is a playlist proving the resurrection of Jesus. Every Muslim in this thread should give it a watch. I have watched my fair share of Islamic arguments. Do your part to understand what Christians believe just like I'm doing my part to understand your beliefs.
>>68192273
Worshipping Odin would be better
>>68192273
>say yes to life
Being a moron is a prerequisite to being a muslim.
Again, we've already determined that you're some /r9k/ tier beta male who want an excuse to be licentious.
That you ought to die isn't really in question here.
>>68192407
I understand these are long so pick the most interesting title.
Remember, if you have to shield yourself from other religions then your faith is likely unfounded.
>>68192273
>Submit to a foreign religion or a degenerate culture
>Islam is much closer to the beliefs of our ancestors than modern "Christianity" is
Ok then follow the traditional christianity our ancestors believed in then
>>68191920
what people need to understand is that the "peaceful" verses in koran are invalid.
there are two korans, one written in mecca that is largely peaceful, and one written in medina that is what current muslims follow. the two books were combined with the disclaimer that if any contradiction exists, the verse that was written later is the one to follow.
so sure, there are peaceful verses in the koran that apologists love to quote, but effectively all of them are obsolete and ignored by actual muslims.
>>68192057
Step 1. Don't
>>68192273
Nigga if you wanna live your life based on the ramblings of an ancient, ultra violent warlord who plagiarized half his ideas from the bible then go ahead.
Move to Iran or some shit.
...do you actually believe any of it is true though, OP?
Because if it's true it doesn't matter whether you agree with it. You must obey it.
What's with these half assed """religious""" people on here just 'converting' to a religion without actually thinking it's true?
>>68182003
>Islam
>girlfriend
that's haram you kafir, either marry her or fuck off.
>>68192842
>italy
mashallah
Isn't it kinda obvious that Islam is just a tool to control dumb people?
I mean the whole religion is basically "never question Allah" "never question anything or you'll burn in hell for a billion years" "just be an obedient good boy and suck allahs dick forever and ever if you ever dare to question anything or think about anything but allah dick then you burn in hell" "be a good boy now"
>>68192669
The thing I understand about Islam is that it doesn't matter whether it's violent or not. Since it's a theocratic system of law it's by definition incompatible with any system that is different from it and therefore no muslims should be allowed residency outside of a muslim country ever under any circumstances.
Any muslim in such situation are by definition traitors and ought to be treated as traitors.
>>68182561
nice taquiyya friend.
insh'allah.
>>68192273
>submit to God
>religion of life
ya i dont think so
>>68192273
Right. Because this laundry list of trash is just so great and honorable. Get bent you no-spined faggot. Becoming an animal won't make you any less of a pussy.
>>68192835
Because being literal with religion is almost impossible especially given context of material conditions?
Technically you could rape children, kill people, and still be Muslim/Christian/your mother. Because there is no tangible way to define these things and essentially only God could tell you you're doing it wrong.
>>68193301
that is correct,
i was basically just trying to point out that "islam is peaceful" fags are delusional. sure the peacful verses exist, but they are part of the old writings and are therefor disregarded. they need to stop defending that which they dont understant
>>68192499
>you're some /r9k/ tier beta male who want an excuse to be licentious.
Like I said, I have a girlfriend. I'm a vigorous man and, naturally, I desire to have more women. This is why the West is so life-denying. You spit in the face of biologically healthy drives.
>>68192622
>>68192442
Islam combines the best parts of Christianity with the best parts of the pagan religions.
>>68192802
Enjoy watching your purple haired gf fuck a bull.
>>68193448
>>68193538
>>68193682
You can either submit to the truth or submit to a lie. There is no other path.
>>68193984
do you plan on martyring yourself soon?
>>68193984
>You can either submit to the truth or submit to a lie. There is no other path.
How about standing you weak willed coward. Some people don't mind being outcasts to a completely fucked society. Try not being a pussy and maybe having some beliefs of your own. Legitimately hot right now senpai.
>>68193984
good night OP, read more about Islam and keep btfo'ing the kuffar ITT
>>68193984
>You spit in the face of biologically healthy drives.
You're such a fucking idiot. You know in the west you can get as many girls as you're able, right?
Wanna know how much of a fucking weak fuck you are? You need a whole fucking religion to bed four girls.
On top of it all it's your primary fucking reason for wanting it. Good lord kill yourself senpai.
>>68182003
Baha'i is like Islam, but has all the weird doctrinal and fucked up Hadith shit removed. Take a look at that.
>>68193984
>You can either submit to the truth or submit to a lie. There is no other path.
thats why i think Science will propel mankind into the future; its the only clearly defined path that man has ever taken that has RESULTS that are POSITIVE
>Islam: kill infidels! Allah will love you and bring paradise to our country!
>Result: still a backwater camel country
>Christianity: God will smite the wicked in the apocalypse! its gonna happen any day now!
>Public: its been 2000 fucking years, whens it happening
>Science: maybe boil the water before drinking it will result in less people dying, give that man some antibiotics and he might die a little less, how about some crop rotations to increase yields
>Result: better society
>>68194328
This guy literally just wants to be a muzzie so he can fuck more chicks without his GF leaving, even though if she isn't a muzzie I doubt she'd be down. And because he's a fucking coward who doesn't seem to believe in standing up for himself.
“Now a man preaching what he thinks is a platitude is far more intolerant than a man preaching what he admits is a paradox. It was exactly because it seemed self-evident, to Moslems as to Bolshevists, that their simple creed was suited to everybody, that they wished in that particular sweeping fashion to impose it on everybody. It was because Islam was broad that Moslems were narrow. And because it was not a hard religion it was a heavy rule. Because it was without a self-correcting complexity, it allowed of those simple and masculine but mostly rather dangerous appetites that show themselves in a chieftain or a lord. As it had the simplest sort of religion, monotheism, so it had the simplest sort of government, monarchy. There was exactly the same direct spirit in its despotism as in its deism. The Code, the Common Law, the give and take of charters and chivalric vows, did not grow in that golden desert. The great sun was in the sky and the great Saladin was in his tent, and he must be obeyed unless he were assassinated. Those who complain of our creeds as elaborate often forget that the elaborate Western creeds have produced the elaborate Western constitutions; and that they are elaborate because they are emancipated.” – The Fall of Chivalry, The New Jerusalem
>>68194218
>You need a whole fucking religion to bed four girls.
But I want to do more than bed them. I wish to love, take care of, and have my children by them. Don't blame me for the fact that you're too beta to support such a vigorous religion. I hope your aging wife gets off you once a month before she takes half your shit.
>>68194390
Science and religion should work together. The theory of evolution is what brought me closer to Islam
>>68194492
And where does this get us? As a westerner you have nothing of lasting value. Since women don't submit in the West, marital strife leads to failed relationships. Your children will grow up in a broken home. All your work, for what? To be alone and know that your children hate you? Or worse, that they're trans or some shit?
Even if you're successful, what do you get? An aging woman in a relationship no better than a friendship.
>>68190681
I lived in an islamic country for a few years ( due to work) and by holy lord above, i have not seen such degeneracy, such hypocrisy, such barbarism in one place, how do they justify it? They say it is our religion even when they have not read their own book, such people cannot be allowed to exist if humanity is to advance
>>68182224
I hope your imam tells you to kill yourself
>>68195695
>But I want to do more than bed them. I wish to love, take care of, and have my children by them.
All of which you can do without Islam. Fucking. Moron.
>>68189759
Ex-muslim here
You are right, most of the folks I know want off this ride
>>68195728
Tĺhis. I live amongst Muslims and i can vouch for this guy.
>>68182003
>>been considering converting to Islam
get removed
>>68195695
>Science and religion should work together.
theres nothing to be gained, Islam Inams have called for all muslims to never to go to space, they HATE literature/art that isnt islamic in nature and are currently destroying syrian and Iraq ruins
Islam is a deadend to Science
>>68182003
>been considering converting to gay
>have started reading a gay rights book by a faggot
>am slowly making progress, but still have my doubts
>some passages disturb me
>dont want to give up sex with my gf
Faggots of /pol/, do you have any advice for me? This is a difficult physical time.
>>68182003
PHYSICALLY
REMOVE
FUCK OFF WANNABE SANDNIGGER
/pol/ is CHRISTIAN
