How do we fix education?
>>68141941
Get rid of niggers.
you could ask your parents to teach you these things in 5 minutes
>no one ever taught me how to go to HnR block
>>68141941
They do teach that. Just losers who are shit in school like to blame math.
>>68141941
school choice
>>68142266
Same about Pythagoean theorem
>>68141941
>and this is why you vote for Bernie...
>>68141941
wouldn't you learn most of those things by getting a job and using google
>How to do taxes
Parents
>What taxes are
Econ class
>How to vote
internet, parents, government class
>Banking
Econ, finance class
>How to buy a car/house
don't even know what this means
>I never learned in high school:
>how to do taxes
You fill out the form and pay what you owe*. Form is too hard? There are people who will fill it out for you, for half a day's worth of McDonalds wages. Half a day worth of minimum-money covers you for the entire year.
>what taxes are
I'm pretty sure I was told what taxes are in primary school. If I wasn't, then TV and casual conversation told me what taxes are before I even reached puberty.
>how to vote
My high school taught this. Are you sure the person wearing this shirt didn't just fail to pay attention while it was explained? Minimum wage earners have a habit of that.
>anything to do with banking
You mean economics? That's an elective, you have to sign up for it.
>how to buy a car or a house
My secondary schooling years told me over and over again, that if you want to get these kinds of things then what you need to do is earn money.
>but I know the Pythagorean theorem
I'm pretty sure the global elite bankers had to do their time in the trenches for this one too. It's just that they continued studying well past this point, rather than parking their ass and waiting for fame and fortune to fall into their lap.
>*implying the people who wear this shirt pay taxes
>>68141941
My whole class asked why we weren't learning anything useful or applicable in a general studies class that only covered how to make a resume, at an age where 90% of the kids in my grade had jobs already.
Goyim obviously shouldn't be educated. It makes us dangerous.
>>68141941
I took a basic math course in Grade 11 (lazy). It taught all that and them some, in fact it was one of the best math courses I ever did. All real world math, from interest rates to balancing a check book. I did the real math 11 course in grade 12, didn't retain a damn thing from it.
>>68141941
This is so stupid. You're supposed to learn the basic tools to become a self learner, not have your hand held through every single aspect of life
>>68141941
I actually took the lower level math course because it's all I need to get into the program I wanted. Half the semester was learning about banking, budgeting, how to invest how to put a lease on a car how to set up a mortgage. It was all really interesting.
public schools have economics and finance classes last time I checked
>what a tax is
Are Americans doomed to be retarded forever?
>>68142378
Yeah but Pythagoras theorem is applied to more complex mathematics and consistently helps you in all levels of math.
>>68142528
Honestly, school should teach you to do this shit, it's not like you're ever gonna need over 90% of what they teach you.
>>68141941
>How to vote
You sure you're radical University professors never taught you that, because mine sure as fuck are trying.
Literally all of this was taught in a mandatory course we had to take when I was in highschool called "consumer ed". Honestly even though they pushed a lot of the liberal agenda and muh 6 million shit some of the classes I took, both required and not dropped some serious red pills or led me to become extremely redpilled through what I was assigned to do. For example, a mandatory class showed how the media can crop/choose unfavorable looking photos and take quotes out of context to subtly push an agenda. Or how I ended up being required to through a series of events present how the qu'ran says that Muslims must marry the first cousin on their father's side if possible. Even though they pushed the liberal agenda hard, they unintentionally redpilled a shit ton of people.
>have anthropology teacher say race is a social construct
>then makes us take an online " quiz" on race
>flat out says that every race is different on a biological level and has different physical/mental advantages
>everyone gets redpilled hard as fuck realizing this old lady is arguing over semantics to push the liberal curriculum
I barely learned anything useful in high school, but I made connections and it gave me a taste of the redpill before I fully swallowed it.
>/pol/ defending public education
never thought i'd be so ashamed
there's a reason a high school diploma ain't worth shit anymore, hell even most college degrees ain't worth shit anymore.
>>68143068
>it's not like you're ever gonna need over 90% of what they teach you.
This concept exists because schools are "teaching to the test."
All practical applications and long-term results are thrown out the window, because the only thing that matters is scantron scores. Why? Because we need to "keep up" with other countries that have different tests, different sampling groups, and aren't overwhelmed with uncivilized foreigners who have zero interest in learning the information (yet.)
>>68143480
This isn't /pol/ talking, it's the people who hang out here all day because they hate us.
They don't want the system fixed; they want last decade's failed solutions to become larger and more expensive.
I'm a senior in high school right now and we've learnt this. All seniors in my school have to take economics and finance for the 1st semester and then participation in government for the 2nd semester. We then have to pass a financial literacy exam in order to graduate. Then again I'm in new york, a productive state run by Democrats so I understand that it won't be as good in states run by republicucks.
>>68143750
>I'm a senior in high school right now
Yeah, I'm sure you have it all figured out big guy (;
>>68142378
My dad failed Geometry.
>>68141941
I did. I learned to file taxes, budget, and buy a vehicle and real estate. I took financial algebra instead of pre-calc and I learned to vote in government class.
Yet I'm a community college dropout who fucks with transmission lines. Go figure.
>>68141941
Anyone too stupid to teach themselves how to vote should not be voting. It's not complicated - I've done it.
>>68143922
We'll I got 98 in the financial literacy exam. So im financially literate lol.
>>68143922
He never said he did.
>>68141941
the person who made that probably doesn't know the pythagorean theorem, only that there is something called the "pythagorean theorem". Its the same way with everything else they have on the shirt, they were taught how to do it, they're just too stupid to do it on their own.
>>68143480
I'm just pointing out that the shirt is BS. Not that the public education system isn't completely fucked.
>>68141941
Take it away from Govt.
Nothing is so adept at fucking things up as Govt.
>>68142266
what if no parents
>>68141941
I learned all that in home ec
>>68144254
Internet.
>>68142528
Most schools don't even have a finance class to teach you about banking/taxes.
>>68143997
I know. Especially with the fucking Internet and smartphones. Don't know how to do something? Literally fucking Google your question and read wikihow or something
>>68142981
The problem is, those with poor upbringings are so focused on just following orders and never taking risks and simply doing what they're told in order to reach some kind of elusive standing ground with society, that once the school structure is taken away, they're left with absolutely nothing to build a life with. They dont know how to think creatively, how to network, how to seek out the best way to do something. They need to just be told the basics, like how to properly file their taxes. That's important because too many have no clue where and how to start and that is not something to blame on the massive percentage of people who cant file their taxes. The system only works for kids raised with well off parents, who are usually the ones who teach their kids how to file taxes. Nobody just learns how to do them based on non related academic knowledge.
>>68144334
I'd say if you have no parents then you probly don't have internet but internet isn't that expensive anymore
>>68142528
Econ was an elective in my school and didn't teach shit beyond "supply and demand" and "compound interest".
Parents don't help when they too learned jack shit in school; I'm lucky enough to have an accountant for a father.
>don't even know what this means
If you were an adult, you would know.
>>68141941
I use Pythagoras all the time programming non-linear animations for mobile apps.
People are right to criticise the state of education but these people with shit tier jobs should criticise something actually useless, like spending half a year reading then commenting on the symbolism in "To kill a Mockingbird".
>>68144339
No way. I went to a below average high school in rural midwest and even we had a finance class to teach you this kind of material.
>>68141941
School never taught me how to wipe my ass either but you don't see me complain.
>>68141941
>Pythagorean theorem
Literally middle school-tier even if your teachers go slowly. If you wasted a class period on that in high school, you and your teachers are niggers.
privatize it. walmart could figure it out.
>>68141941
Get the government out of it.
>>68141941
So many things.
>Funding
Fund the fucking schools. The amount of the budget spent on education is pitiful right now.
>Scheduling
We switch to what Japan is doing where they take short breaks through the year instead of a giant, three-month break in the middle of it. This way, students still get time off to refresh themselves but aren't gone from school so long that they fall out of studying for too long.
>Programs
Stop cutting the arts, it's good for their brains. Make the highest-level math, science, history, etc as electives and place courses that teach practical skills such as money management/job finding in their place. Add more electives that are the beginnings of potential skill-based jobs or college majors so that the upperclassmen can get started figuring out what they like.
>Tenure
Negotiate with the Unions to find a way to open up tenure so that teachers still have job security, but bad teachers still aren't nearly impossible to get rid of.
>>68141941
What taxes are and how to vote are things you learn in politics here. How to do my taxes, how to manage my banking and how to buy a car were things my father told me. My mother told me how to cook and not create a mess around me.
Don't these people have a home and parents anymore?
>>68141941
it's your dad's job to teach you those things, which may explain why niggers usually post stuff like this
segregation by sex and merit
boys need the safe space for patriarchy
>how to vote
beg to differ, the whole point of the education system is to raise socialist drones
>>68141941
Whomever made this shirt is dumber than a sack of potatoes.
I learned the first three in high school during my last two years there. Maybe he should've stopped smoking so much weed, then he would've remembered that time he learned how to do a basic 1040-EZ :^)
>>68141941
I learned all of those things; maybe don't go to a shit school?
>>68142340
>Paying somebody else to do your taxes for you.
I bet you also take your car to repair shops, you little cuck.
Unless youre making >250K and have well over a million in assets, theres no reason to do this other than laziness or incompetence.
>>68145237
No, blacks and to a certain extent stupid Mexicans and white trash people post this and they're the ones who don't have fathers and are raised by an aunt/grandmother
No one teaches about banking or money because then the whole fractional reserve banking charade will be exposed, now learn about how to use a dragon dildo in sex education you stupid goyim
>>68145187
>Fund the fucking schools. The amount of the budget spent on education is pitiful right now.
The amount spent per student adjusted for inflation has increased year after year after year with declining results. Fuck off.
>>68141941
it should not be the schools job to teach you details of bureaucratic processes.
they should equip you with the necessary intellectual tools and character dispositions so that you are capable of dealing with your life on your own, which includes figuring out how to do any of those things on the list. teaching maths is certainly necessary to achieve that goal.
>>68141941
Take away the federal government and lib control of it.
>>68142340
>he gets other people to do his taxes for him
>he doesn't listen to his dad's bookkeeper's free financial advice
>he doesn't proceed to Jew the government out of even more money
>>68145187
While I don't agree with the principal of cutting high level math and science classes, AP (advanced placement) classes which are SUPPOSED to give you a college level education are so watered down in high school now that I would never recommend taking them. My gfs brother did AP calculus and chemistry in high school and he's in his first year of college now. He enrolled in calculus and chemistry thinking it would be easy A's because he did so well in his AP courses but he's failed them, twice now. He's a good kid but the educational system has failed him. I guess pandering to the lowest common denominator really doesn't help the kids. What a surprise
I had a ten year career as an educator. This is what I think.
1. Support the Common Core State Standards. There is no reason why educational standards need to be different from state to state. If you ignore the news and internet bullshit and actually read the CCSS and understand their intent they are fucking great. Their method of adoption and the rush of publishing companies making shitty materials to profit from it turned public opinion against them. But adopting these kinds of national standards is a good first step. I'll tell you why. In both reading and math, the CCSS emphasize ARGUMENT FROM EVIDENCE. If every person is educated to argue from evidence we will have a strong democracy made up of people who can actually think for themselves.
2. Personalization. One reason school sucks is that they cram a lot of irrelevant bullshit down your throat. We should invest in guidance and allow students choice in what they study. It goes back to my first point: if we set a common standard, and teach kids to value evidence, we can say "idgaf how you do it as long as you can prove that you have these skills by your graduation date".
3. Life-ready. It can't just be about career and college. Kids need to learn how to be humans in society. That means teaching life skills like budgeting and civics, but after a lot of discussions with other educators it also means teaching morals and values. Think Starship Troopers how they teach "History AND Moral Philosophy". Fuck multiculturalism. A country has to instill its values through education.
>>68145795
Because more funding also doesn't solve anything if you make poor choices.
And the choices being made are more and more poor. The passing of ESSA should lead to some level of recovery though, since that gives some power regarding the standardized testing back to the states.
>>68141941
I learned about the pythagorean theorem back in grade 5. I don't know what these idiots were doing for the other 7 years of school
>>68145796
This. Based Germanic Masterrace knows where it's at.
>>68146181
>liking common core
how about fuck you. lets leave it up to the schools or the district to decide what they are teaching.
Im all for just abolishing public education altogether and let families and the market to sort it out for themselves. THere are so many solutions that infinitely better than fucking public education, or even standard private schooling for that matter.
>>68141941
>Didn't learn what taxes are
W-what
I do agree that high schools should give at least more optional classes about personal finance
>>68146249
But I can't take anything you say seriously when your first point is easily disproved with a five second google search.
>The amount we're spending on education is pathetic.
>Even though it's higher than it's ever been.
>Even though we're one of the leading nations in education spending.
If you wanted to argue that the U.S. education system has failed, you could have just pointed to yourself.
>>68146580
>I do agree that high schools should give at least more optional classes about personal finance
>optional
Bullshit, they should be mandatory in all grades, beginning in the freshman year of high school.
>school should teach basic live skills that are taught by parents
But if that was the curriculum, lefties would never win the white house again.
>>68146146
I didn't say cut though, did I? I was suggesting that we take those courses as far as is practical, then leave the further stages as electives for students that want to learn more about them. Math is probably the biggest offender, with there being a lot of equations in required public schooling that people never use in their lives.
>>68141941
>school never taught me how to vote
Good because the faggot who made that shirt is to stupid to be in the business of choosing government. If you cant figuire it out, you have nothing to contribute to the discussion.
Nothing Canadian education system is fine.
Idk about the rest of the country op but BC is great shittiest public schools in surrey still shit out top tier students for ubc/sfu. Id abolish the unions and remove language requirements but thats it.
Side note i can learn literally all those things as i go. Math is cumulative and i can't just learn all of math up till advanced linear algebra and calc III on the job like you can learn income tax the day you have to do them.
Mortgages are the same thing. And fucking banking and voting are fairly fucking intuitive.
>>68141941
Educations purposes is not to educate but to create obedient workers. Education needs no fixing as it does its jobs perfectly well.
You really should read about the formation of public schooling. For the case of United States a lot of big money tycoons donated to the effort, for a good reason.
>>68146743
This nation, or at least large amounts of its population, have lost the work and study ethic it once had. Children today are not less intellectually capable than the children of old, nor do they have less potential. However, all of that is wasted if no one actually takes the time to study and work.
You can have a mountain full of unmined gold ore, but it is fucking worthless unless one puts in the effort to dig it out.
Why the fuck would you need to learn basic stuff like this?
>>68146743
Whatever money we're supposedly putting back into the system with these increases, I'm legitimately not seeing that it's helpful. We do need more money in education, but also spent more wisely. Education is an investment in the future.
Interesting though that you decided to cherrypick that one thing and ignore the entire rest of it.
>>68141941
>MFW I use math at work and literally every day
Sucks SOHCAHTOA doesn't help at your bathroom attendant job bro.
>>68146146
sounds like he failed the AP tests to get the college credit for those two classes. You don't take AP classes and then retake them in college if you test out of them.
i.e. your gf's brother is probably just dumb.
>>68147041
>obedient workers
The age of low-skill employment is quickly ending. All of these jobs will be replaced by automation within the next 20 to 30 years. Hell, the only reason Foxconn has human workers in China is because the Chinese government understands well the unrest that would follow if Foxconn fired all the people and replaced them with cheap robotics.
This isn't some science fiction shit. It is happening right now.
>>68147250
But think about.
If everyone was guaranteed to know how to handle their money and realized how taxes work, does that really sound like a flaw? People like Bernie would get laughed at more often.
>>68145187
Math, at least at basic highschool levels isn't just about the content. (idk remember what it is in the last required class) but it subconsciously teaches logical and critical thinking. Very important skills. Those classes you suggest in their place literally only help kids too stupid to google or figuire anything out themselves.
Also
>negotiate with unions.
Anon here is where you fucked up
>>68146249
Here's a hard pill to swallow,
Some students will always stay stupid.
>>68141941
>things you could learn in 5 minutes by using google
>>68147269
>Interesting though that you decided to cherrypick that one thing and ignore the entire rest of it.
Because I either agree with the rest of it or do not know enough about the development of the human brain to comment.
But the idea that we need even more money sunk into the system is laughable. You even agree that it's just going to waste, but you fail to see why. Neither the schools nor government have any incentive to conserve the money. In fact, when they fail they get even more money to make up for it. The system rewards failure.
>>68144715
Went to average High School here in rural northeast, our econ class was "optional" and barely anyone took it, and is still the same today according to my little brother.
Fucking stupid. I learned a lot in that class.
School is supposed to teach you basic knowledge and give you the skills to make your own way through life.
Not hold your hand through basic shit like how to vote or open a fucking bank account.
While the school system utterly fails at doing that, the people are just as retarded.
>>68147520
It's either you try and try hard to reach a reasonable compromise with them or nothing gets done. It's better to attempt to resolve the issue with them than to let this problem continue.
>>68147817
It's pretty stupid sometimes how schools and districts will blow money on the wrong things. In some spots, their budgets are hurting for money while other aspects are being well-paid.
One example of this is sports. Though sports come with such concepts as teamwork and active problem-solving, they are really otherwise non-academic in nature and tend to be very non-inclusive. But schools continue to spend money on them, for some reason.
Maybe we should stop funding sports in schools and let them fundraise and organize themselves like other clubs or organizations.
>>68147445
>garunteed to know how to handle their money.
Oh anon, poverty money management is a mental illness. Telling them not to spend all their money on Big tvs designer clothes amd alcohol. While working part time at mcdonalds to support 8 children as a simgle mother, isn't goimg to make a bell go off in their head that its a bad idea. Otherwise id start touring hoods.
>>68148285
No anon. Its simple really. You abloisb the union.
They hurt the kids and taxpayer to give the teachers what they want. You cant fire shit teachers you pay the very worst to rot away,most just keep their jobs. They hold students hostage in teacher strikes, alot of the time all the good teachers despise these measures and want out.
Since everyone is required to get an education there needs to be three types of highschools:
College prep, Tech, and Artistic/survival
College prep and tech schools are exactly as they sound. Artistic survival focuses on creativity and how to survive in the white mans world.
High school should be split into three types of schoo
>>68148545
I'm not saying that the unions aren't problematic at times, but without their efforts over the years even the best teachers would be able to be dropped for terrible reasons. What I'm getting as is that we've let tenure go too far and we need to rescind on it a bit, not outright take down everything that protects the people that do their jobs well.
>>68146837
Believe it or not, there are still parents who don't teach this stuff.
>>68143049
>and consistently helps you in all levels of math.
Objectively false.
>>68141941
Things I learned in middle school 7th & 8th grade
>How to do taxes
>What taxes are
>How to vote(3rd grade event on the voting system in the US-This was at a first rate public school with a 100% white majority,but that was back in 1996.)
>Everything to do with banking
>How to buy a car
>How to write checks
>Economics,and how it works
>How to balance my budget etc etc
>Dissecting a frog,and learning it's body parts in Latin only.
>Taking Latin classes because Spanish,German,French,and Japanese sounded boring.
>Things people don't learn in public schools
High school was shit because everything I had learned from 4th-8th grade was already covered what public high schools teach.What school has 4th-8th graders do college style essays,and work?Certainly not public schools with a huge spic,and nigger population.
>>68148832
There are also some parents that are so poor that they have to work extra hours and practically let their kids fend for themselves just to insure that their family can survive.
Even having elective versions of those classes helps those kids that can't learn those skills from their parents.
>>68141941
I learnt all of that because I paid attention. Some of it I may not have learnt outright, but I did learn it in some other form an applied the knowledge. Why is this popping up so often recently?
>>68141941
There's this school my kid goes to, I'll just call it LHS. My kid is talking this financial literacy class and it actually teaches them about how money works, taxes work, and banking. The class is endorsed by 5/3 bank and it is taught by that guy Dave Ramsey. It is like a video and a workbook class but I have tested my kid in these things and is surpassing me in taxes. For voting, LHS teaches it strongly within the Government/civics classes. Georgia and LHS have a strong grip on getting students ready for education and I certainly wish i had it.
>>68149038
>Things people don't learn in public schools
And you exclude yourself from the conversation starting there. Your comments regarding race aren't helpful, because that's not typical and aren't going to be "resolved."
Put up something practical or constructive, or else shut up.
>>68149038
>Going to private school, or even charter school
>Being anything in the same universe like Public School
Fuck off.
>>68141941
cut the education short by half a year and insert 6month of /pol/ together with some redpill ebooks about politics, history, psychology and the banking system.
getting through 2000 pages of this stuff together with shitposting and dank memes/entertainment should give people way more insight on how the world works.
>>68148816
>I'm not saying that the unions aren't problematic at times
>but without their efforts over the years
What efforts? Lining their pockets off the backs off the backs of kids and teachers?
>even the best teachers would be able to be dropped for terrible reasons.
What logical reason would they fire good teachers? Shits n giggles. Education is oversaturated as fuck. The idea that "we need to pay teachers more if we want good teachers" if you want to raise tha standards fine,if that makes a teacher shortage rage wages. But as it stands we have more than sufficient and current salaries. Suggesting they don't need more money. Class sizes stuff is such bullshit too. I learned more in a Calc I class with 150 kids first year. Then i did in a class of 30 in all of highschool when my teachers kept striking cause i "cant learn in such a small class" where i was never consulted or asked if this was bullshit.
>What I'm getting as is that we've let tenure go too far and we need to rescind on it a bit,
Anon you go down a bit uniona go in defensive mode. Taking kids hostage. You either cut their heads off or deal with their evergrowing demands
>not outright take down everything that protects the people that do their jobs well.
Doing your job well protects your job anon... They arent gonna start firing good teachers for shits.
>>68147393
AP tests can be expensive and he wanted easy A's. But yeah I'm positive he's just dumb. Electrical engineering is not for him
>>68141941
>never taught how to do taxes
Not that hard unless you have anything other than a 1040 and even then not that hard
>not knowing what taxes are
Never took a gov. Class apparently
>how to vote
Need to be tought the process of voting? Again see gov. Class. Or your parents never voted and you are an idiot.
>anything with baking.
Well there is home ec but the person who made this didnt choose home ec to learn cooking.
>how to buy a car or house.
It's not ment to be taught in a class because most might not buy one.
Again these are the same people who want the government to dip its hands in college.
We fix it by holding them responsible and the parebts responsible foe their education. If not make them take trade schools at a young age.
>>68141941
My high school taught me all of these things. You'd be surprised what you could learn in high school, if you stopped staring at whale tails, listening to music, getting "supah baked", and bullshitting with your friends in the middle of class.
>>68150058
Wouldn't advice this. Highschool is easy as fuck, and your last chance to dick around and have that much fun for the next 4-5 years. More of you do a masters.
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>>68149316
>Implying I never saw my school go from one of the top choices in the state,but to bottom-tier because of minority populations moving into that area.
The curriculum was dumbed down to accommodate the minority attending the school since they weren't passing any subjects.That's the main reason my grandparents pulled me from the public school system,and sent me to a school where you needed excellent grades,and excellent attendance to get in.That school had barely a handful of minority kids,but they were the ones that were actually smart and could pass subjects that were harder for their public school counterparts to pass.
Eat shit.
>>68149443
4th-half my 8th grade year wasn't charter nor private.It was considered public,but only open to those that had excellent attendance,and grades higher than a C+.Open to the public that is funded,and ran locally by the community.
Even going to high school was a regular public school.I was taught nothing of value at a regular public school in my high school years.
>>68144477
Plus highly accessible in moat cou tries like a library
>>68149712
In public schooling, the class size really can make a difference. Especially when everyone comes from different economic backgrounds and varying levels of help at home in the early years before and at the start of their education. Smaller classes mean more individual attention so that the teachers don't have to do as much leaving people behind or slowing everyone else down.
>Anon you go down a bit uniona go in defensive mode. Taking kids hostage. You either cut their heads off or deal with their evergrowing demands
This is an overreaction. The unions are definitely pretty adamant about what they're doing, but that's why I'm saying to try working it out with them instead of just enforcing something that will cause them to backlash.
>Doing your job well protects your job anon... They arent gonna start firing good teachers for shits.
You could just be an excellent teacher and be disliked by your administration. With nothing helping your job security, they'd be looking for excuses to can you.
One consideration is that if tenure for public schools worked in a manner where you have to re-apply for it over the course of your career, the junk teachers that have it wouldn't be able to slide by anymore.
>>68150546
Being an entitled white kid doesn't actually solve public education though, so you're still not contributing anything useful.
>>68144631
Probably didnt pay attention in class champ.
>>68149294
see, the problem arises when students take different classes. Our school had a personal finance class, but only those who weren't in calc took it, which depending on the year could be a sizable group of people. Thanks to that system, I can tell anyone how to integrate and derive basic to intermediate functions, but still have yet to know what a tax form looks like
>>68141941
Education is already "fix'd."
>>68150823
>In public schooling, the class size really can make a difference.
Especially when everyone comes from different economic backgrounds
They don't really though poor neighbourhoods have poor kids, rich neighbourhoods have rich kids. Don't see how this matters though.
>and varying levels of help at home in the early years
I had like none. And im pretty sure you get less home help in intergral calculus then you do learning pythagors theorem where some parents might actually know.
>Smaller classes mean more individual attention
But anon. Even in my "way to huge" classes of 30-32. The teacher could spend half their time at their desk because not everyone needed to raise their hand.
>so that the teachers don't have to do as much leaving people behind or slowing everyone else down.
Its 2016 mate. Give em a textbook and show emm PatrickJMT and khan academy.
Though i wouldn't have a problem with highschool office hours during lunch or for an hour after school or something.
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>>68150823
>This is an overreaction.
I think yoh grossly underestimate the nature of teachers unions.
The unions are definitely pretty adamant about what they're doing, but that's why I'm saying to >try working it out with them i
Why? They other me nothing of value. This isn't the private sector. Education is not a business. Its run top down by the local government, for the benefit of kids not top down. If there is something good for the education system they don't need unions to tell them to do it.
>Instead of just enforcing something that will cause them to backlash.
Right but being a wimp doesn't help education anon
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>>68150823
>You could just be an excellent teacher and be disliked by your administration.
Okay. Lets say they are that petty. I don't know where you think they find administrative people that they will hire and fire based on personal feel feels, and lack any proffesionalism. Wouldn't the solution to this just be fire or never hire administration that makes feeling based decisions? It could only happen maybe once before it was caught on to, and the teacher could find a job easily if they are good.
>With nothing helping your job security, they'd be looking for excuses to can you.
I take it you have never held a non union job? Believe it or not most of us that aren't part of unions don't just get fired everyday. Replacing people is hard and risky, skilled workers have leverage and can get good contracts. If i get fired without causeit costs my employer 18 months for example. Realistically they aren't going to start firing teachers left right and centre just because they CAN
>One consideration is that if tenure for public schools worked in a manner where you have to re-apply for it over the course of your career, the junk teachers that have it wouldn't be able to slide by anymore.
Two problems. One according to your logic they will just not rehire you if they don't like your hair. In fact i would argue this would make more room for abuse as not hiring someone you don't like is less of a hassle then firing someone you don't like.
Two. The unions won't go for it. Again i don't know what lala land you live In. But unions wouldn't see a benefit in that. We offered striking teachers a pay increase based on performance and they told us to get bent and demanded universal pay increases or none. They won't take a middle ground on something that benefits them, let alone something that hurts them in the slightest
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I wrote a fucking essay apparently.
>>68145187
>funding
No because California has a lot of funding and does shit.
>scheduling
We used to do that in my old school where it would be a month block during certain times like for holidays one for summer and bits here and there it wasnt bad.
>programs.
I kinda agree but you can't blame big brother if people dont take them.
>tenure
Naw make the teachers responsible for their actions.
I'm a videogame designer. I use the c=sqrt((a/b)^2 +1) theorem about once an hour. I also use inverse cotangent in degrees a lot.
The point is, the things you learn in school don't matter if you don't apply them and experiment with them. Then you find enjoyment in something you at first hated.
>>68145187
>fund the fucking schools
>throwing money at the problem will solve it
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html
>>68141941
>its the governments fault!
>they wont teach us!
>we need more government!
>like bernie "kike" sanders!
>>68142145
first post, best post
>mfw my dad never taught me this shit because he was always too busy
>>68154013
http://ca.lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+vote.
>>68154324
Errr ignore the frog language
>>68141941
Realize these are all easily found on google or could be taught in a single half semester Home-Ec class, and then focus on how to make kids give a crap about REAL math and science and not that IFLS horse shit.
>>68150910
>Being an entitled white kid
I grew up in poverty,and happen to get a semi-good education throughout my life.That doesn't make me entitled.You sound like one of those "white privilege" faggots.
I had my high school education stolen from me by the public school system.The school I attended kicked me out for having a pneumonia for 2 weeks,even though I had a doctor's note to excuse me.The person in charge of the school sold my record containing my entire 4 years of high school credits to someone.This happened to 50 other students in my senior class.They were kicked out for various reasons only to come back 2 months later,and find out their credits are gone or their high school record never existed.We were given new school IDs that had :Grade 013" on it once we were allowed to return to school.Two school districts were caught doing this to seniors to get more money for their schools.
Every person is entitled to an education.Including us idiots that had our records stolen.
You want a solution to the public school education problem?
>Give communities back control over their local schools
>Segregate races again to end the "everyone is on the same learning level" equal treatment policies that caused the decline of public school education to begin with.
>Local funding by taxes or donation
>Have children take a standardize test to determine the grade they should be placed in so they're not being held back by their peers who're less intelligent.
Yadda,yadda,yadda.I'm an entitled selfish white "male".
>>68146249
So maybe we shouldn't touch funding until better choices start to be made, hmm?
You guys are fucking faggots. The Internet has more information than any tool that has ever been created.
Your parents are working, your teachers slack, do the goddamn thing yourself.
>>68141941
>he never took a basic home economy class
>he never took an economy class
>he never took a civics class
>he never took a financing class
>he never took a car mechanics workshop class
>he doesnt use the Pythagoras theorem once every week
lol what a faggot
>>68146448
>6,4 Millions
>>68141941
How about we let parents parent, and teachers teach?
>>68141941
The pythagorean theorem is something you should have learned before highschool unless you were a retard who can't understand what an angle is.
No wonder you'd need someone to tell you how to do your taxes.
>>68141941
I use the pythagorean theorem everyday I work and I get paid a pretty decent wage.
>>68141941
All those things listed should be taught by parents.
>>68141941
keep education local
>>68141941
we make losers of society pay for their worthlessness, increase the penalties and consequences of being unlawful by at least three times on everything, mostly anything involving intentional murder following an execution with the minimum always being at least life in prison, and replace classes that require you to learn another language(unless you're in a shitty country then you must learn English) with something titled independent studies, business studies, utility studies or whatever which you will learn subjects in OP and similar.
in the US we usually get 2 "electives" to choose from after our core subjects like math, science, history, English. in the first couple of years of high school they'd have us dedicate 1 or 2 years depending on where you are I guess to with 1 elective being a class about learning another language. we could have the utility studies extend for all four years or simply replace it as how new language requirement is atm, then the last elective is whatever the students want to choose like fine arts.
>>68141941
>The pythagorean theorem is something you should have learned before highschool
This, it's pretty fucking basic.
>>68141941
Also those things listed you learn as an adult, it's called reading, which I'm pretty fucking sure they teach in schools.
>>68141941
Sadly, it is up to us to educate ourselves. Subjects like the true nature of Islam are too controversial to be taught in school. We have a duty to educate others and save our civilization from a total takeover.
Below is a pdf written by Bill Warner on how to talk about Islam in a way that unmasks it. He bases his work exclusively on their holy texts. You can also watch his YouTube videos at Political Islam.
worldtruthsummit.com/media-files/FactPersuasion.pdf
Really I think there should be a class for agriculture and economics in every school.
Get rid of the mandatory language class in junior-high and highschool, people can learn that in college.
Understanding how the entire system of your society works > speaking bean-nigger language or disabled people hand signals.
More importantly since tax payer money goes into our public school system make teaching shit like pic related a criminal offense as it's a waste of tax-payer money to fund selfish petty social propaganda.
