The move could help the fast food giant cope with rising minimum wages across the country. (duh)
>"I want to try it," CEO Andy Puzder told Business Insider. "We could have a restaurant that's focused on all-natural products and is much like an Eatsa, where you order on a kiosk, you pay with a credit or debit card, your order pops up, and you never see a person." (good for people with autism)
>"With government driving up the cost of labor, it's driving down the number of jobs," he says, predicting the automation trend will likely extend beyond the restaurant industry. "You're going to see automation not just in airports and grocery stores, but in restaurants."
>"If you're making labor more expensive, and automation less expensive — this is not rocket science," says Puzder.
>But Puzder says he sees automation fulfilling “rote tasks like grilling a burger or taking an order”—areas in which a robot would probably be more precise than a human.
>"Millennials like not seeing people," said the CEO.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/03/17/carls-jr-ceo-wants-to-replace-all-human-workers-with-robots/
Supplementary TYT madness on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ9H5fIx0js
>>68139307
>If you're making labor more expensive, and automation less expensive — this is not rocket science
Maybe the automation companies are funding the various Raise the Minimum Wage initiatives?
Hopefully he does it. These liberal idiots need to get whats coming to them.
>>68139307
feels great too be a fucking American.
Carl's Jr mostly hires blacks so I can see why he'd want to switch them out with machines.
And next will be all the easy STEM jobs. Looks like Terminator 2 was right about everything.
So millions of teens will learn to leech off of their parents cause they can't get jobs now
>>68139307
I hope robots can drive wagecucks out of existence and purge the human race of its litteral pleb once and for all
>>68139307
Good, I know that fast paced kitchen work is difficult, I myself worked in a kitchen for 3 years, but I totally support this. I bought my wife a burger there the other day and I paid extra for guacamole on the burger, and asked for a lettuce wrap instead of a bread bun.
Got the burger, went home, opened it up and found the lettuce wrap, but no guacamole. I paid nearly $1 extra for nothing. Tyrone and Enrique who were working in the kitchen are too fucking high or busy watching porn on their phones to do their jobs properly.
Replace shitty, uncaring humans with excellent, uncaring robots. The only difference I'll notice is that my order will be correct 100% of the time.
>Pic related, my favorite burger there.
What does this mean in the grand scheme of things? Rednecks going extinct? Who works for fast food to begin with?
Wow, that was one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
>>68140017
Not much. People will move into other fields and new jobs will be created. Same thing that always happens with leaps forward in technology.
>>68139307
Can you blame him since politicians are cramming minimum wages down his throat.
>There are no Carl's Jr restaurants in Michigan
>>68139899
>So millions of teens will learn to leech off of their parents cause they can't get jobs now
They are already doing that. Because of the high minimum wage laws, teenagers typically don't get hired for these jobs. Everyone at my local fast food places is a mexican in their mid 20s.
>>68140017
rednecks get labor jobs.
fast food around me seems to be teens and what look to be people that recently gave up hard drugs
I would rather pay MORE and have my food prepared by a machine, than pay less and have it prepared by high school dropouts who hold a grudge against everyone with a higher position than themselves.
Machines don't hate you for being successful.
>>68139307
This is what happens when greedy politicians who have never produced anything in their lives start taking away people's freedoms.
>>68139307
Watched the TYT vid for keks, and all their obnoxiousness aside, Cenk is right that automation isn't coming because of the minimum wage, it's coming regardless because it's cheaper than everything
>>68139307
>>"Millennials like not seeing people," said the CEO.
yfw he's right.
>>68139307
Also I love how that broad is talking about how it makes her sick that a guy who manages a massive corporation gets paid a lot more than someone who does no-skill labor at the bottom level. dat shameless socialism
>>68139307
I might eat fast food if I were sure it wasn't prepared by a nigger that digs in his butthole
>>68140276
Machines also don't take a shit and forget to wash their hands, or spit on your food.
>>68140001
Some of these people they hire aren't worth the current minimum wage.
>USA 2025
>It is customary to tip your Automated Waiter 10-15% of the cost of your meal to pay for upgrades and maintenance
>>68140533
That's basically what I was saying.
Low-value human workers:
1: hate you no matter what
2: don't know what they're doing
3: are as filthy as a public school child
4: think their opinion matters more than their duty
5: are dragged down even further by horrible leadership (more low-value human workers getting paid an extra dollar an hour)
>>68140194
Minimum wage here is 7.50. If that is considered high, what do you see as fair?
>>68139307
I wouldn't mind this shit if this meant prices to go down but they won't, this will just go to maximizing their profits while their fucking combo meal cost $10 in LA. Fuck them
>>68140672
Corporate competitors will undercut each other.
McDropouts doing the same thing would be called abolishing the minimum wage.
>>68140875
Truth
the same will happen here
now that david cuckeron has decided to increase the minimum wage all the companies will do is start sacking people and giving their jobs to robots
>>68140001
>Eating this trash in the first place.
Fucking bright lad.
>>68140792
Abolish the minimum wage and let everyone be paid what they're worth. If nobody is willing to pay you higher than $7.50, then study and refine yourself until someone *becomes* willing.
Zero sympathy for people who said 'fuck school' in their youth, then complain about lack of financial value in their adulthood.
>>68139307
Good riddance.
>>68140672
hah, I'd actually be fine with this, I'd get to reap the benefits of having the machines that feed me be clean and smooth running.
If I tip my waiter now he just spends the money on a louder muffler for his shitty dodge neon or some stupid nigger shoes.
>>68139625
it makes sense, doesn't it?
>>68139307
This is coming wage increases or not.
There's quickly approaching a time where there simply won't be jobs for everyone, no matter how hard they work, unless they happened to pick the right field and had the money and talent.
Unless we abandon the meme that a person's life is valued by how much money they can make for a corporation, there's going to be a great fucking lot of people with no power, no food, and nothing to lose.
>>68139307
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-4LU79qbU
>>68140792
They think that people should be "free" to be forced to work for wages that cannot support them because the worker has no bargaining power.
>>68141262
>likes food automatically given to them by a machine
>doesn't like machines that automatically takes away your poo
My local mcdonalds has these things right across from the cash register. It's pretty fucking cruel that the cashier has to stare at their future replacement every day all day.
>>68139307
Go to carls jr
>See T-800
>Hello human would you like fries with this order
>I want a number 5
>Red light shines over my whole body
>Would you like to try the fat free menu sir?
>:(
>>68140171
Here in Montana we used to have a Hardee's and that's basically carls jr company with fried burgers instead of grilled. I miss it... some indian burnt it down.
I'd choke 100 native children for a Jack inthe Box tho.
>>68141262
POO
>>68141582
TOP KEK
>>68141374
Carl Jr. Probably productio placement it.
The technology is here for years. I more now a business decision. They do way more complicated things in auto factoriels.
This has nothing to do with minimum wage, it was an inevitability. The only people who will have jobs in 50 years are engineers, programmers, and other techies.
>>68141103
HORRIBLE idea. I don't think minimum wage should be raised right now, but there needs to be one. There's always going to be someone who will worker for less money than you. When I was 10, I would have worked for $3 an hour if they'd let me have a job. Even then, someone would have wanted to work for less than me.
Racing to the bottom isn't a good idea.
>>68141372
The US dole network already provides food, housing, professional re-training, 12~13 years of free schooling for any offspring you produce, 2+ additional years of post-secondary schooling at a 90% subsidized discount, and free medical clinics (long before Obamacare.)
You're mad because you want a house and two cars. Well learn a fucking trade, then.
>>68141103
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read
>>68139307
In a perfect world all humans are replaced by robots.
My question is...
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR ROBOTS
ROBOTS GOT BABY ROBOTS AND GOTSTA FEED DEM DAT OIL SON
ROBOT LIVES MATTER
>>68141727
>Racing to the bottom isn't a good idea.
Abolishing minimum wage doesn't mean everyone works for less.
Abolishing minimum wage means you and your bearded mom work for less while the rest of us can buy more with our same paycheck. Don't like it? Go accomplish something and more than the minimum then.
>>68139307
This part of automation always seems ignored:
Who will buy your useless shit if no one has a job or money after nearly everything is automated?
How do we have a "consumer driven economy" with mass unemployment?
>>68139307
they are going to go bankrupt paying unemployment to all the people they are going to fire
>>68141610
Jack in the box tacos at 3 am while drunk is the best thing ever
>>68141844
>ROBOTS GOT BABY ROBOTS AND GOTSTA FEED DEM DAT OIL SON
>ROBOT LIVES MATTER
DAMN IT! HE'S RIGHT!
>>68141510
It surprises me these aren't in more McDonalds.
The people at the counters and windows do nothing, a computer couldn't do 10x cheaper and more efficiently. It wouldn't totally eliminate the need for people, so they can hire l one or two very friendly people per shift to look after the store and provide table-side service.
>>68141510
>It's pretty fucking cruel that the cashier has to stare at their future replacement every day all day.
If you aren't a teenager working at McDonald's and considering the job as just temporary anyway, you've got a real problem.
>>68139663
>poor people like fast food
>poor people get their poor ass jobs, like fast food, automated
>poor people stop buying fast food
>fast food industry collapses
Protip: saving money in a business is not the same as making money.
Carls Jr is wasting resources
They have perfectly good employees
SO WHY NOT
Just turn their current employees into robots instead of starting from scratch
>>68142016
>basic income
T.I.N.A.
>>68141510
The cashier at McDonald's isn't thinking about robots replacing him, he's waiting for the sweet embrace of death.
>>68139307
Based Marginal Revolution calls it again
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/05/the-robot-employment-act.html
>>68141103
How do you study and refine yourself without money?
>>68142229
Where does the economic activity come to provide that "basic income" since we'll have to use tax revenue to support these non-working people?
Are you going to plant a "money tree"?
>create a complete welfare state
Absolutely retarded.
>"Millennials like not seeing people," said the CEO.
millennial here, can confirm i hate interacting with fast food workers
>>68141103
>Zero sympathy for people who said 'fuck school' in their youth, then complain about lack of financial value in their adulthood.
Our generation is literally the most educated generation ever
>>68142440
Same. Give me robots and put them to work building the wall.
>>68139307
>"Millennials like not seeing people," said the CEO.
This is pretty much the problem. If they people would still be in touch with one another, if they wouldn't order everything especially costumized for them, we wouldn't have such a fucked up economy.
>>68142398
>Are you going to plant a "money tree"?
Haven't we done that already a long time ago?
>>68141372
>there's going to be a great fucking lot of people with no power, no food, and nothing to lose.
And that's is when people riot.
>>68139307
>"Millennials like not seeing people," said the CEO.
How autistic are millennials if you can't handle customers.
>>68140017
I know lots of people who worked shitty mcjobs to help finance college and university, and to actually have some spending money during college and university...
They're shitty jobs but they conserve a purpose and lots of people will be worse off if they were to disappear.
I never use those ordering machines at McDonalds, or those self checkout lines in stores.
If you utilize these things you're a cuck. You're literally doing it for free, no better than a fucking janitor on a Guatemalan Piano Polishing Forum.
>be software consultant
>employer charges other companies $3,000/day for my time so I can work on implementing/keeping computers that replace people's jobs running
Seriously though, if you have a minimum wage job, robots and computers are becoming so much better at doing the same repetitive task that some people are just not going to have useful skills at a price an employer is willing to pay.
>>68142165
>poor people stop buying fast food
Why?
>>68142636
The point is that the millennial customers don't like seeing people.
>>68141510
Don't think the cashier job's at risk. Even with everything else fully automated, the restaurant will still need at least one employee to stay behind the counter and make sure customers don't just vandalize or steal from the restaurant.
A day will come when technology becomes advanced and cheap enough that most labor and service jobs will be replaced with automation anyway.
As a country we will need a plan for this.
The day will come when there are simply just more people than jobs.
I don't think you guys understand how much shit goes on behind the scenes. It would cost a fuckton of money and require a fuckton of machines to automate a McDonald's.
>>68142562
t. babyboomer who always looks fast food employees in the eye and shakes their hand
>>68140276
this projection
>>68141085
>mfw he bought his wife a fast food burger and was shocked at the lack of care put into it's preparation
>>68142771
Of course the cashier's job is at stake, that's the entire point of the OP post, they can vbe replaced by ATM-style ordering machines. Plus the cooks, etc. The only jobs will be janitors and a manager.
>>68142350
Don't bother engaging the elitest teenagers who've lived their thus far short life on easy mode thanks to their parents. They'll never get it because their severe autism prevents empathy.
>>68142923
>who always looks fast food employees in the eye
Are you afraid of looking someone in the eye?
>>68142771
You're picturing the restaurant like they are now. Imagine a McDonald's becomes a 6'x12' black box where there is a terminal to order your food and pay by debit, and a door where the food comes out. You put these machines in malls, college campuses, on the street, etc...
There is nothing to steal or really vandalize.
1) Choose food
2) Pay (no cash transactions)
3) Food is automatically prepared by system
4) Food comes out
>>68142703
It saves me time, and those self checkout lines mean I can still get bizarre Safeway sales, like buy two get four free sales or steak for 4.99/lb.
>>68142771
>Feed money into slot
>Money is deposited into a lockbox bolted into the building.
It would be far more secure than a regular cash register.
>>68143094
I think most of them would have a cash slot like a vending machine.
>>68143010
>manager
Why would McDonalds hire a manager with a higher salary if there is no one left to manage? If all they need is someone to do nothing but watch customers so they don't defecate on the ground, then they might as well hire something on the level of a cashier.
>>68143282
Well sure actually, why not.
>>68142703
If people in these mcjobs didn't frequently fuck up I would be less prone to use self service kiosks. If I select burger, no mayonnaise, ketchup, bacon, lettuce, tomato, onions then I know and can see that it will be sent directly to the kitchen in that way.
>every fast food place install these
>future generations hear of a time when smiling employees prepared your food
>businesses go back to this novelty system to tap a market
>fast food places with human employees who are paid well and aren't Tyrone
> Carl's Jr
> Fuck you, I'm eating
>>68141510
>takes longer to punch in your order and pay by card for anybody who can manage ordering McDonalds food from a cashier without fucking it up
>too complicated for the actual retards to use
>orders will never get mixed up or forgotten and you never have to worry about possible food tampering
Yes please
>>68139307
But muh 7.50 an hour minimum wage was supposed to stop this from happening!
>>68139307
It begins.
>http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
>Depending on how you want to think about it, it was funny or inevitable or symbolic that the robotic takeover did not start at MIT, NASA, Microsoft or Ford. It started at a Burger-G restaurant in Cary, NC on May 17. It seemed like such a simple thing at the time, but May 17 marked a pivotal moment in human history.
The only problem I'd have with full automation is that I wouldn't randomly get extra sandwiches from the Arby's I always go to.
>you were born right in time to see the "American dream" collapse
>All the low-paying jobs immigrants are coming for will just vanish, you'll actually need a degree to get work
>No reason for them to come in our countries anymore
>tfw no more white genocide
>>68139899
that's already happening. all the fast food employees around me are middle aged blacks and mexicans.
>>68139307
I.embrace this. I hate interacting with the cashiers. I always use the self checkout at the grocery store. I looked at the point of sale screen once and it was just a bunch of pictures. Might as well just turn the screen around and I can poke the pictures of the food I want by my self.
>>68139307
I hope he does it and it works. Free up people from doing something unnecessary.
>>68139307
WHY IS THIS JEW SLIDING THIS IS FUCKING URGENT YOU KEKS >>68143605
![c480x270_23[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qExv5Mm.jpg "c480x270_23[1].jpg")
>>68139307
Idiocracy here we come.
>>68143366
If it's an eat-in place, someone has to order the food, get the machines regularly restocked and maintained, arrange for food deliveries, hire/fire janitors, make sure promotions etc are put up, take care of problems, etc, there will still be work for a manager, a fucking high school cashier isn't going to be doing that work. And the manager will likely be the franchisee owner.
>>68143678
>The only problem I'd have with full automation is that I wouldn't randomly get extra sandwiches from the Arby's I always go to.
Unless the robots decide this would be a great way to raise customer satisfaction. The (percieved) randomness is part of the trick, I guess.
P.S. That's pretty much gameification. And you damn people will like the fuck out of it. If you want to or not.
>>68142726
Because they got fired and have no money because robots took over
>>68143931
You're right, didn't think that one though.
>"Millennials like not seeing people"
>Millennials
There he goes again with that stupid word.
Seriously what does that even mean?
>>68139307
This is why nobody likes liberaltarians.
>>68143955
>robot
>decides
Pick one. Robots don't make decisions - they follow programming.
As if people wouldn't boycott fast food after that.
>>68139798
Pretty much any job that can be automated, will be automated.
>>68142889
It will end up being basic minimum income, but as a country there will be kicking and screaming along the way.
>>68144119
Decision making is an area of research in artificial/computational intelligence.
>>68143889
Kek we already are in idiocracy
>>68144282
You can't induce free will from not-free will. You can only create more complex programming. At that end of that day it will always be necessarily deterministic and not remotely deserving of being described as "decision making".
THAT SEEMS LIKE THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP
>>68144112
Gen Z + Gen Y + Gen X + about a third of baby boomers.
"Millennial" is just a catch-all term the media uses as a codeword for 'degeneracy,' then tries to pin it on everyone young enough to not play any major role in our society's steering. They do this because they're desperate to preserve the status quo, and the people who actually *are* steering.
>>68143955
>Unless the robots decide
Letting them make business decisions is how hamburger-making robots become self aware.
>>68144453
Our brains are deterministic, our own free-will is an illusion. So fucking what, doesn't make the field of study less important.
>>68144119
>Pick one. Robots don't make decisions - they follow programming.
"Deciding", "optimizing", "planning", ... it's all semantics. You'd be surprised how many "decisions" computers make today. Does it matter if someone programmed them in the first place? Have a talk with the guys who are "programming" chess computers (and similar).
There is still much (classic) programming going on today, sure. But there are also neuronal networks, layerd ass-deep and armed with lots of neat little gimmicks.. (besides many other approaches, of course). At some point, this stuff stops being programming, and starts being "learning". Unsupervised, even. Now what?
>>68144521
Everytime I hear that word it comes from some old dude or a degenerate with an agenda. Like all millennials are degenerate fucks that do gay sex, are feminists and love to say current year.
>>68144453
>chinese room argument
It's irrelevant wether you consider a machine to have a "free will" or not. It can make effective decisions.
>>68142703
If I'm buying one or two items when the grocery store is packed on a busy day and the store only deems it necessary to have 4 cashiers to handle it all, you bet I'm going to the self check out
You're an idiot if you dont
>>68144724
hurr a robot cannot have a soul durr means the billions of dollars spent in AI research is a complete waste herrrrr
>>68144649
No they're not, and trying to make the argument that they are is vacuous. "Everything you do is determined, so this conversation is and was determined along with anything else" - you're not making an argument, you're asserting a dogma that is utterly devoid of anything even vaguely resembling qualities of a point.
>>68141924
But the bottom is set by 3 billion people who aren't married to the idea of paved roads, any semblance of healthcare, toilets, or individual lodgings. Fuck that noise.
>>68144724
People are going to be surprised on what kinds of jobs will be replaced by AI.
People, even STEM workers think it's going to be manufacturing and service jobs. But they are so fucking wrong. They don't realize that AI will replace ALL Jobs.
All of them.
Every single job will be done by AI.
Anything that can be reduced to an algorithm will be done by AI.
AI already can learn and they are able to simulate creativity.
Even programmers and engineers like myself would be replaced by AI sooner or later.
>>68144724
0. Computers make 0 decisions. They execute pre-programmed things utterly mechanistically.
>>68144874
It doesn't make decisions - it does exactly what it was programmed to do and nothing more.
Here mcDonalds workers get at least $20 per hour and they still hire people fine. having a high minimum wage just means more spending money for people and a more healthy economy with less people on benefits. And since people spend more money they can afford to hire more people.
Americans love to keep people poor and poor people always vote against their own interest.
>>68145060
>>68145130
sasuga tripfag
then take away their corporate charter and limited liability status, and make the owners bear the risk of personal lawsuits. don't allow them to arbitrate contracts in public courts.
corporations only exist because of legal privileges granted by the state. if corporations don't help any citizens by creating employment, then they should receive no government support or protection.
>>68144961
How are our brains not deterministic as opposed to a machine? As far as I know, the physical and chemical reactions that induce brain activities obeys to the same laws as the rest of the universe.
>>68139307
Wants people with autism to buy burgers forgets most people with autism cant drive. Also forgets that old people are fucking retarded when it comes to machines.
Look i used to believe in robot workers but then i worked as a cashier for a year in a grocery store. A good chunk of people are just too stupid to be able to function with these machines and without human help they would starve to death. Now while i consider this to be a good thing the media and the average american would hate it.
Once everyone over the age of 70 finally dies then it will be possible to implement but god old people are pants on head retarded when it comes to anything electrical.
>>68145184
A big mac is also essentially twice the price in Norway vs. the US, so it's hardly surprising.
Are burgers tasty?
All I wanted was a job. I was in a job training program once, and I loved working. Ever since then, I could never find a job. I even asked for $7.25/hr from employers offering $10+/hr. Minimum wage is sufficient for me right now, and it gets me the valuable job experience I need to get into the field I want to go into once I'm done with college. Liberals have successfully screwed me out of getting a job, just because they're mad that minimum wage won't afford to get them gaming PCs, Xbox Live, PS+, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube Red, a 4K TV, while also paying for their tuition and rooms all at the same time.
>>68145130
Making a decision means picking one out of some number of possible actions.
Computers do that.
You're probably mistaking decision making with consciousness. But that's really irrelevant.
Read about the Chinese room experiment for some insight into this.
Unless you're a retard that will just cover his ears and shout "LALALALA COMPUTERS DON"T MAKE DECISIONS LALALA". In which case, I hope you will remove yourself from the gene pool.
>>68139307
Aaand that's why increasing minimum wage was a bad idea, especially if it's beyond tolerable levels like what they have in Commiefornia. It's $10 since 2016.
If Carl's Jr's experiment proves successful, businesses will push to automate as much as they can. The only reason they didn't do that before is because it's affordable to hire people. But now it isn't, because you keep pushing beyond what they can afford. All you liberal arts degree-having """human beings""" just doomed yourselves, because those businesses are the only ones willing to hire you with your useless degrees.
It's already been proven that you can replace cashiers with machines. They've been testing that idea for years now, in grocery stores with self-checkout lanes. They can just set up machines that allows you to pick what you want, pay, and you get what you wants. It's called a vending machine.
They can easily make a burger-making machine for fast food industry use by adapting existing technologies already used in factories. In fact, such technologies already exist.
There are vending machines that could make you pizza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyrav_9Pbsc
In Japan, they have all sorts of vending machines that could make all sorts of things and have integrated analytics that allows them to determine what's popular and make recommendations for people. A liberal arts degree-having apathetic """worker""" doesn't have that kind of skill or dedication, even if they did get a raise.
Everyone working for Starbucks can be replaced with a coffee machine.
You just dun goofed. Better go back to school and get a useful degree, because your womens/diversity studies won't be getting you a job anymore.
>>68145002
And that's a very good thing.
>>68142398
>Where does the economic activity come to provide that "basic income" since we'll have to use tax revenue to support these non-working people?
The taxes of those who vote for low minimum wage and subsidize companies with low waged workers on food stamps.
>>68142718
>not going out on your own
Fix that you coward
>>68145455
The minimum wage has only been increased in a couple of areas. I don't think you actually understand what is going on here.
>>68143678
Just hack the machine...
In the future, when automation is rampant -
Which jobs will be automation-proof?
Within 10 years this will be a reality for some industries. What are all those unemployed low level employees gonna do?
>>68139307
There does need to be a balance here in that lack of jobs = lack of funds to purchase products. But when they need to they will drop the price. They will also not have to deal with the complex HR issues.
>>68145577
Pace of innovation makes that hard. For instance, I've spent the past three months on internally billable time, so they can upskill me on a hot new technology. If I was on my own I wouldn't have had access to the same resources that they do and I wouldn't have made any money in the past three months either.
I did bill over 200 days at $3,000 a day for the last couple years though, so my company is willing to sink this time into me.
>>68140001
>paid extra for guacamole
Hi, Jeb
>>68145325
How are our brains deterministic when we very obviously choose what we want, experience qualia, and have intentionality? There are so many aspects of mind that are completely incompatible with determinism, and that's not even *TALKING* about how utterly VACUOUS determinism as a claim is to begin with.
"Everything is predetermined"
Yeah well everything is also made of pudding. If you argue it's not it's only because the pudding happens to taste that way. Great argument.
>>68145521
It is for the few but for the many it will be disastrous.
I don't think the modern societies based on Industrial Era or pre Industrial ones will survive the Automation Era.
When you have a large group of unemployed individuals disaster will happen.
>>68140017
>Who works for fast food to begin with?
Niggers.
>>68139307
Don't know if this has already been posted but whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksI12RhBMAM
>>68145676
>Which jobs will be automation-proof?
Liberal Arts. No computer can come up with the bullshit these people create.
>>68145450
They "pick" (they don't pick) based on either program random or based on 100% predictability. If x is at z do y. That's not a decision - it's a mechanism.
Time to ban robots
You put your robots here so we have to give free shit to vibrants and refugees
>68145851
>>68145851
lucky me in that case :^)
t. journo/documentary filmmaker
>>68145002
>reduced to an algorithm
Again, I'd like to make a difference between (classical) algorithms and things we're dealing with nowadays. Because there is a major difference: While any comp sci student will be able to understand what's going on while sorting a list, people in operations research, for example, are dealing with something completely different. They're formulating their algorithms on such a high level (i.e. descriptive, by means of mathematical models) that they won't be able to tell you (in the same, or a comparable way) whats going on. Those system/models are simply much too complex for humans to even reason about.
And yet we get fantastic routes for transportation (travelling salesmen problems (TSP) everywhere!), "optimal" business plans for literally anything. Have a look at the airlines industry, or Amazon, or... All of them are - at the core - driven by computers. Today. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>>68145130
>It doesn't make decisions - it does exactly what it was programmed to do and nothing more.
That's simply wrong.
>>68142350
You just start your own business and make money, duh.
>>68145676
Probably certain maintenance positions, higher level engineering/programming, "Arts" and creative projects(movies, painting, parts of vidya, and such), politics, possibly some security positions.
I doubt many people would be comfortable with a security system without any possible human intervention in it, though it would heavily integrated.
>>68145903
You're arguing semantics plus effects of algorithms don't have to be deterministic.
>>68146088
>that's simply wrong
Name a single instance of non-mechanistic computation by a non-living composite.
I want a robot sugar momma working that midnight to midnight shift in the kitchen to take care of her man.
mmmmmm sexy.
I'd rather eat food prepared by and served by robots than niggers anyways.
>>68146194
An algorithm is deterministic *by definition* Electrode.
>>68145903
>They "pick" (they don't pick) based on either program random or based on 100% predictability. If x is at z do y. That's not a decision - it's a mechanism.
Searching for a valid, or even optimal(!), solution in a solution space is pretty much making a decision.
>>68146185
How do you do that without knowledge or money?
>>68145060
You have no idea now do you.
I work with AI each day and my job is creating Learning Machines. And many times they have made solution to problems that was no programmed into the AI. What we program is a set of algorithms but with Machine Learning they can then do more than we ever imagine.
We are even working on an algorithm that can create automated websites that look like a person did it.
>>68146332
Based on completely predetermined criteria of selection and ability to process inputs. It's utterly mechanistic.
I see a different side to this.
What happens to human interaction if even the people at stores are gone. People barely interact as it is. No one eats dinner together. People drive alone. They sit at a desk or work from home. No one calls each other, they just text or use facebook.
People now can at least go to a store and say good morning to the cashier, but even that's going away. What happens when you can't order a drink from the cute bartender, or talk about your day to the waitress?
This world barely has enough human interaction as it is. If it's completely gone I foresee a lot of mental problems.
>>68140171
Here in Georgia they're called Hardee's.
>>68146212
>Name a single instance of non-mechanistic computation by a non-living composite.
>non-mechnistic
You're a stupid fuck, and the result of a bio-mechanistic bug, I suppose.
>>68146331
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_programming
Please fuck off now.
>>68146427
>And many times they have made solution to problems that was no programmed into the AI
Name one.
>>68144114
>keeping goods and services affordable
>le ebil libertarians
>>68145455
Even then those "useful" degrees will get replaced by AI sooner or later.
>>68146469
>"Are you kidding me!?"
>>68140001
This. I eat fast food way more than I should. These people can't even follow basic instructions. It's no wonder jobs that actually matter are hiring foreigners because the pool of US workers is pretty shit tier.
>>68146455
>Based on completely predetermined criteria of selection and ability to process inputs. It's utterly mechanistic.
You are utterly mechanistic. And you shall burn in robot hell.
>>68141582
lol
>>68140001
This
>Flip coin to see who gets Taco Bell for a party
>Lose
>Get food for 20 fucking people
>Notice half of the people didn't get their food
>Drive back
>They accuse me of lying and eating it, then coming back for more
>Call for the manager
>Manager tells me to fuck off
>"If you don't like it there are other taco bells"
Get replaced by robots, please.
I basically have a fast food tier job. I could do better, I was offered much better just at a bad time. Im just too much of a pussy now. Might as well kill myself.
>>68142398
Yeah I mean so many people will be unwilling to work. The job shortage in this country will be terriboh wait we've already got stagnating wages and a glut of unskilled labor and precisely nobody will miss them when they're rotting in their cheapshit apartments
>>68141803
the only woman, just with 1 hand.
beautiful representation of what femenism has achieved.
>>68143538
this
we could probably have it now if the uniforms were more dignified
>>68146463
When jobs become automated, people will have a much greater degree of free time.
Assuming you aren't a complete social retard, this means time to hang out in bars, hobbies like biking, running etc.
The more you do things you like, the more likely you are to meet someone else that also enjoys that activity. Assuming you aren't completely isolated and jerking off to anime all day.
And even then you might make some friends on /a/ or something.
I go out to eat with friends at least once a week, that wouldn't change just because I'm dialing my order in on a screen.
This is not good. Widespread automation could seriously threaten global capitalism.
>>68143538
It's the cycle of business. We need something to kickstart a renaissance that returns to the original White Castle ideals. White Castle invented this entire market and the entire point was clean business, clean people, happy environment.
>>68146463
People are shit. I'd prefer as little interaction as possible
>>68146806
>not checking the bag before leaving to make sure all 200 tacos are inside
>>68145761
You don't choose what you want. You feel like you choose what you want because of your awareness of the entire process of decision making, of which all thoughts are the result of the deterministic nature of your physical brain. You are put in a situation that requires decision making. Your senses translate stimulus into brain activities, inducing thoughts. One state of your brain leads to another. One thoughts leads to another. It is a purely physical process, and you are denying it because we cannot do a full scale model with 100 billion artificial neurons with 100 trillion connections. Yet.
Would you also say a tornado is non-deterministic, since we've never made a computer simulation that simulates absolutely everything down to every single atom involved in the process?
On a related note, here's a robot that cooks & preps burgers from start to finish.
Would be interesting if it works, but I've known enough franchise owners who are too cheap to keep their equipment properly maintained, so I'm not sure how effective this sort of machine would be in an actual kitchen environment.
>>68146482
You're so fucking dumb. That's in regard to output obscurity from the *programmer's* perspective. If enough time were put into it, you could determine the outputs 100% because they're *UTTERLY* mechanistic in nature - you not knowing what output you're going to get based on your inputs does in *no way* change the nature of what you're doing. It only means you don't know what's going to happen. The existence of uncertainty doesn't make something deterministic suddenly magically non-deterministic you stupid cock-sucking faggot.
>>68146648
Cheese man brings the sick arguments.
>>68146859
You sir need to watch Dredd and pretend it's a documentary.
fucking NEETs on /pol/ I swear. You talk so much shit about other people despite being worse scum.
>>68146977
>materialism
>the year 2016 of our Lord
>>68146977
Filtered.
>>68146958
Yeah that was my bad
But I paid 40 dollars for Taco Bell and got 20 dollars worth of food, then was accused of eating 20 dollars worth of Taco Bell in less than 10 minutes and was told they didn't want my business.
Very unhappy.
here's why it won't happen:
1. doesn't mesh with their franchise model
2. owners don't want to deal with the high operating costs/overhead for equipment
3. owners enjoy being able to fire their min wage workers whenever they want for any reason at all
4. would start a bum fight with vending machine companies (who guard their territory, especially around freeway rest stops, seriously)
>>68146959
Yes I do. I very obviously choose what I want. I'm choosing right now to type this instead of doing a literal infinite number of other things that I have a very real possibility of choosing to do. You just insist I don't have that possibility, which is completely vacuous. You're making an assertion that can't even in theory ever be validated or invalidated. A literal and unironic dogma.
That sounds great, there is no reason to have someone taking your order when you can just punch it into a touchscreen yourself. Automation of the food prep wont be as easy tho.
>>68142229
Lazy fucking millennials we already have niggers on welfare
>>68146806
As other anon said, always check the bags before driving away.
Also, call ahead for large orders, it saves a lot of waiting and incorrect orders.
>>68147153
Get fucked faggot. Stay gay homoqueer.
>>68142229
Business will never agree to that.
>>68147147
I'm an idealist and a rationalist. What are you smoking.
>>68146532
Read >>68146482 for starters. Then take a course in AI or read a book. I recommend Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach being that's the book most courses use to teach AI. Then after reading said book start reading more specialized books on Nondeterministic algorithms.
>>68147093
Am I wrong?
Guy's saying there's gonna be some huge economic crisis if people don't need to work to not starve in the streets.
FACT: we are moving close to the point where unskilled labor is no longer necessary to the economy, in the same way that beasts of burden are no longer necessary for transportation.
If anything the economy would improve, people would be able to afford to take risks and spend time on personal ventures rather than putting Tab A into Slot B for 45 hours a week
>>68147485
I responded to that stupid utterly irrelevant shit already. If you're gonna use something in an argument, read it yourself first and make sure it's *fucking relevant*.
>>68142117
the only barrier is old people who don't into technology, they should use a voice recognition software as an alternative
>>68143988
maybe the robots can buy it
>>68145729
Sounds like you've found a niche, so good for you. I'd always be looking for opportunities to "consult" your current employer and do the same type of work where you get some agency over your labor-cut your own deals.
>>68139307
Yeah this TYT girl is right.
When minimum wages goes up, employers should just put their prices up to pay for it.
Everybody wins.
Fucking A.
>>68139307
What are the niggers going to do for jobs?
>>68147696
The same thing they always do, nothing.
>>68147564
To be honest I'm not going to waste my time with an obnoxious underage tripfag that is not willing to learn AI and continues to spout erroneous information about said field. This will be my last reply to you, have a nice day.
>>68145820
I wonder if there will be robot niggers
>>68147696
Welfare?
>>68147257
You didn't choose shit. The stimulus I induced into your shit brain with my post created the thought processes that made you write that post down to the very specific choice of words.
>>68147770
ayo hol up
dat ain't be computin an shit
what you sayen cracka
>>"If you're making labor more expensive, and automation less expensive — this is not rocket science," says Puzder.
And yet Berniecucks don't seem to understand it.
>>68143988
when double cheeseburgers are $.02 and know one has to worry about spit or bacteria in their food. I think anyone would.
>>68139307
Love Carl's. Now I'll never have to talk to panchito and Soña ever again
>(good for people with autism)
...lol...
>>68147929
Automation was always coming. It has nothing to do with wage increases.
>>68147766
I find it utterly hilarious that both you *and* him completely jumped ship when your "lol I got him" wiki-fucking-pedia link turns out to be completely and utterly irrelevant to the argument you're participating in. Your reasoning skills are fucking awful - that's not surprising to see in autistic queers who become programming drones though. Heaven forbid you actually understand the fundaments of the projects you're engaging in.
>>68146940
How did it go from that to laquone and tiasha fucking up everything anyone orders?
>>68142703
I'm not going to stand behind the family circus and crazy cat lady with 20 bags of food if I just came here for some bread and chips. Eat a dick.
>>68141924
Your brain dead.
You would have the US sent back to the horrors of the gilded age. We will always have a majority of sub par people, and you cant throw them to the dogs or your country will burn. Especially nowadays, where john q. worker wouldnt be afraid to assault his boss/company because he doesnt have a family (thanks feminism), and therefore, no reason to really live if hes getting fucked over.
Fucking idiot.
>>68147532
>If anything the economy would improve, people would be able to afford to take risks and spend time on personal ventures rather than putting Tab A into Slot B for 45 hours a week
or people will start doing drugs and crime because they have nothing else to do and low intelligence in general. Not everyone's going to become a fucking rocket scientist in some StarTrek utopia fantasy.
Those jobs keep people motivated and occupied.
>>68148086
I jumped ship because I understood you're either mentally challenged or trolling and I have better things to do in my life than unproductive argument.
>>68147876
You didn't choose shit. The pudding that your brain is made out of tasted that way from the beginning, and was determined by the fluctuations of other pudding to induce that feeling and reaction in you.
#JustEmptyDogmaThings
http://bjps.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/3/339.full.pdf+html
This idea is nothing new & has been around since the 50's. It failed tho.
>>68139307
>Fully robotic burger joint.
There has to be a Baconator joke in here somewhere.
>>68148242
Gilded age is what modern liberal historians and socialists call the Golden age of capitalism
Fuck off
>>68139307
>You're going to see automation not just in airports and grocery stores, but in restaurants.
> restaurants....
yeah sure.. people would like to go out to eat talking to a god damn robot. sigh... you do that and see how many guests you get compared to a staffed one
>>68148248
You jumped ship because you're both mentally handicapped and a cock-mongling homogay. I have better things to do in my life than an unproductive argument in which I'm utterly winning and will always win because I'm simply right on this.
>>68148024
I wonder if they said that when produce was at an all time low during the great depression
>>68139307
Disgusting. Anybody who supports this is an idiot.
>>68148766
Burger flipper detected. Of course the special interest group doesn't understand that lower prices and convenience for every single other person who isn't a poverty-queen like himself benefits from automation.
>>68148051
Inevitable, sure, but doubling the federal minimum wage will sure as shit encourage it to happen sooner and quicker.
>>68148348
It may not work for every local restaurant or greasy spoon diner, many people will still want that restaurant experience (plus tip), but it should work well for fast food chain places.
>>68148486
>going out and talking to your wait staff
I'm sure the conversation is very intellectually stimulating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwkdGr9JYmE
>>68148331
>if two balls hits each other at an angle an angle with given velocities, I have no problem in saying we can predict the outcome
>But I'll call it nonsensical pudding dogma when it involves the same experience, but with trillions of balls
>>68148486
Tfw you'll never take your robot waifu to an automated Carl's jr.
You're going to be left in the digital dust while I'm going down on my fembot that never complains.
>>68148486
Americans count McDonalds as a restaurant.
>>68148933
Automation is a good thing. In a way, Berntards are actually doing a good thing for once by pushing for wage increases.
>>68148481
>fuck off
No you.
Id rather the whole country burn then have to spend 12 hours a day in a 90 degree factory before being fired for getting my arm chewed off in a thresher.
It might have been a stepping stone to the luxuries of the today but holy shit that period was like living hell for anyone under upper middle class.
>>68149045
>conflating mind with matter
>the current year
You can assert the mind = the brain all you want. You just crying that for your entire life won't make it true.
>>68141103
>This is what Jews actually believe
