How strong is the Russian military really? America likes to call them junk but they seem to be doing pretty well.
>inb4 muh memecarriers
>>68138638
They have a great stockpile of weapons and munitions. One weakness is their military tech is somewhat outdated. Night Vision, IR designators, etc.
while i would like to agree with you anon, i must point out that military tech is classified everywhere. the same old replayed clips of military shit you see on fox or cnn does not contain anything a civilian without clearance gets to see.
some cool, awesome, awe inspiring and a tad bit scary shit out there. i would not discount for one second the abilities of the russian military.
idk as an example, civvies didnt even start hearing about the bullet location detection technology mounted onto humvees/tracs until a year/couple years ago at most. someone shoots at you, instantly detects direction, source of the shot, velocity, its like having a cheater mini map in cs go, kek.
now try to imagine what is used on a regular basis that you don't get to hear about.
The units they project outward for the world to see are fairly well equipped to maintain a certain image. The United States does the same thing.
Units that deploy usually get brand new top of the line shit while the ones that don't get hand me downs and make due with broken equipment.
>>68138638
Second strongest in the world, behind USA. In short.
You can't really compare them though because Russian interests are near them, which means they don't need a blue-water navy based around carriers like Americans need.
Also, they are in great strategic position because their interests are near them while their only credible opponent is an ocean away.
Don't listen to these ''experts'', Crimea and Syria have shown that they are highly capable.
>>68140482
That's normal in every military.
>>68138638
Discounting nukes, Russia still comes in as military no.2 in the world. Power projection being a major factor, something China doesn't have yet.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
>>68138638
they literally had to buy used ships from Turkey just to supply their troops in Syria
>>68141109
>power projection
...is a dumb term. Power projection is absolutely necessary for USA because they're remote from their geopolitical goals.
Russians don't need power projection of that sort. Their outlook isn't global.
>>68141450
there enimies are more localized, so they dont have as strong of a navy as conpared to us, like >>68140835
A few reindeer herders can take on Venäjä.
>>68141483
It encompasses the shipping of troops to certain part of the world and maintaining supply logistics behind it. It doesn't just mean carefree joy riding aircraft carriers across the seas as US does it often.
USA could successfully ship/fly and supply their troops anywhere on the planet.
Russia can do that for Eurasia and upper part of Africa. South America, Australia, Sub-Saharan Africa...not so much.
That is what is hiding under the term of 'power projection'.
>>68142158
You're right but that's my point. Russia has no need for power projection of that sort.
They have more tanks than anyone in the world.
China has the most infantry if I'm not mistaken.
And we have superior navy and air power by far
Whatever it is they still have russian officers and generals in command.
>>68140330
This, this anon is actually clever for once
You can debate whether A military is better than B and have it turn into a shitfest, but we'll never reach an objective answer given the fact that we do not have sufficient information to draw conclusions with
>>68140330
SB-3 Ghouls when?
>>68138638
Seeing that most of the best military tech has already been pioneered by the US, It's a lot less expensive to implement. Not only that develop better tech using whatever advance military tech they get their hands on as a base.
As of right now, they have the best scout helicopter in the world. More importantly the
government contracts very impressive projects
unlike the US where it's based off whether
the contractors are friendly with officials
in terms of outright bribery.
>>68138638
Become a politician, become president of Bindland ::D.ddddD enter NATO and declare war on Russia, then we'll see
>>68143180
If the Funland declares war, the NATO articles are null.
Venäjä would have to attack Suomi (presumably to steal Suomi Waifus before they become Cider Whales) for Article V to be enacted.
>>68143115
>Russia not being corrupt
Do not watch Russia Today when they talk about Russia.
>>68143470
It sucks do not seeing friends joining in ur offensive war like the the axis guys did
>>68143710
Well, Sweden would probably send some meatballs and a dozen fags to help Finlan.
Eesti would send toothbrushes.
How much does morale matter?
I dont expect the russian army would be able to hold up that long, in many ways the conscripts there seem to fucking hate it and I would expect alot of deserters, their suicide statistics in the army is pretty high.
This can quickly be changed though, if they are as strict as they were in WWII on desertion, but this will probaly cost a lot of human lives. Russia has currently a negative birthrate and 1 million people with Hiv/Aids and its rapidly increasing.
But this depends on how this war will be fought. Russia is however moving away from a conscript-based army and over to a specialist army, which will be interesting to see what will bring.
I am mostly curios to see what Putin has learned from warfare in both Ukraine and Syria by now. I bet he is also watching over the Eu-Turkey refugee deal, knowing that sending refugees over to Turkey will only make his geopolitical rival stronger when confronting the Eu.
They have more than enough to obliterate anyone bar the US of A..
>>68143910
>ikea
>>68144129
>Serbia sucking Russia's cock
Mark me supersized.
From what I've seen from the Ukie conflict, and how the ruskies deal with terrorism on the home front in recent years, I'd say they're not as "disciplined" as other armies.
>inb4 muh proofs for ukraine
>chick lean
>crossfire
>general spray and pray
>running out into the open and firing
>taking potshots and running back to get more ammo like sand people
Also they don't really have experience compared to say the US, who gets it dick hard by conflicts
Also what >>68144054 said, they are a conscript army, which in this case a russian conscript army full of hazing and literal rape.
>>68144596
You think I am incorrect weedman?
>>68142402
Actually not, since right now we work back up the superpower ladder. It's pretty much WE WUZ type of shit. Makes power projection really important.
>>68144683
Dumbfuck you've only ever seen separatists, there are no videos of the Russian Army operating in East Ukraine.
>>68144802
Canada can beat Russia anyday
Not very strong.
When their goat bombers get shot down, they ban poultry imports.
:o))))))))))))))
>>68144998
kek
>>68145111
Do you export anything else besides vegetables and t-shirts?
>>68145111
You guys practically shot yourselves in the foot desu
>>68145188
"Germans"
>>68138638
Well seeing how a bunch of rockets they fired whent haywire. I would say they are not much of a threat.
>>68145478
Nice 3rd world country, Mehmet. I'm writing to Putin right now so he bans your pencils as well.
>>68144939
>there are no videos of the Russian Army operating in East Ukraine.
Lmao
Because one side of a country has uniformed soldiers and better weaponry than the other side of the same country within 1 year.
It's more believable the ruskies were in this proxy war than the US at this point
I think Russia would beat the US in a nonnuclear war. Russia does not have SJW training, white privilege training, diversity goals, gener equality, nigger troops and leadership.
>>68145292
savage
They could beat any invader, but couldn't invade or defeat any first world nation. Their economy could never handle a real war, unless they were fighting on their own land.
>>68144847
That's dumb, I heard your navy plans to build carriers, dumb move.
Better to spend that on subs.
>>68145649
> uniformed
> weaponry
So Russia supplied separatists. Doesn't mean they were actively fighting in East Ukraine.
>>68145478
>diversified, not a lot of oil
bretty gud actually
>>68145803
They were. Small units though, brigade at most at one point. Russian artillery gave fire support to rebels.
>>68145649
>Because one side of a country has uniformed soldiers and better weaponry than the other side of the same country within 1 year.
Yeah, because they can't capture weapons from ukrainian military bases and use it.
>>68145686
That's because you are retarded.
The US is far superior to Russia in every warfare area. The US would have issues in an all out invasion of Russia, because everyone in history has, but it would never come to that. US ships would decimate their navy and shipping and starve them into surrender.
In a one-on-one with no nukes, Estonia would win.
>>68146051
>starving Russia into surrender by naval blockade
You must be a master of strategy.
>>68146021
Yeah, and those units helped the outnumbered separatists clinch very important victories, among which 3/4 of the cockhole army got surrounded.
No videos of these brigades operating for obvious reasons.
>>68146051
> US ships would decimate
US ships would get decimated by anti-ship missiles, because Russia is not a 3rd world shithole without coastal defenses and subs.
>>68145649
>Because one side of a country has uniformed soldiers and better weaponry than the other side of the same country within 1 year.
Against Ukraine, this is not hard. Their military has been neglected, underfunded, and gutted by corruption. They are no longer an effective fighting force at this point.
>>68146051
> naval blockade on Russia
Where the fuck do these people come from, holy shit.
>>68138638
The United States would lose a non-nuclear war with Russia.
American soldiers deal with, SJW training, White privilege training, gender equality, gay rights, nigger leadership, etc.
>>68146051
>being this delusional
I'm almost sorry for you Americlaps.
>>68146197
>he doesn't know Russia imports 40% of its food
This image is from when they fired cruise missiles from the Caspian sea and blew up target ISIS stronghold in Raqqa, Syria.
Their military is no joke, most countries are all talk but Russia actually delivers.
>>68146393
>Not posting the superior Finn.
>>68146177
Don't, I'm not anti-Russian or anything, but their involvement was clear. At one point UA almost broke their lines and then suddenly a counter-attack out of nowhere. That was clearly Russian unit.
>>68146274
>what is CIWS
>>68146525
> CIWS working
>>68146422
They'll just import it from somewhere else or simply grow more food genius. Russia borders shitload of countries, most importantly China. Also, source for "40%".
Just like the US military, 99% of the Russian military is human trash and only there to keep them out of trouble. These are the people who vacuum parking lots, or march up and down in eternal drills for no purpose, or whine on krautchan about their impending conscription.
It's the 1% you need to worry about.
>>68146480
But anon, where are the proofs?
There is NO WAY America can compete with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A
>>68146622
It's true, they do import a load of food. But as you've said they've got huge fuck stockpiles and can easily get set up.
>>68146355
>lose
Lose a war in Europe, maybe.
>>68146274
That's where you're wrong. Russian Navy or air-force simply lack the numbers to saturate CBG defenses at the moment, reliably. Theoretically they could but it would be hard to pull off and that's just one CBG, Americans have 11.
>>68143910
>Eesti would send toothbrushes.
wat?
>>68138638
They're bretty dang good but they're way behind the US in naval strength except for subs
They don't have the best global reach but they don't care about anything outside of Europe or Asia so I suppose it works out fine
They also make some of the prettiest gear
>>68146820
>That's where you're wrong. Russian Navy or air-force simply lack the numbers to saturate CBG defenses at the moment, reliably. Theoretically they could but it would be hard to pull off and that's just one CBG, Americans have 11.
Attempting to reason with fanboys is futile.
>>68146706
I don't really remeber when this was exactly, and I'm too arsed to review conflict again. But Russian involvement was clear. It wasn't hundreds of tanks like Kiev said though. Most of people fighting there were locals.
How accurate is pic related?
why i can't fin a informative american poster?
all they do is get butthurt and take fake infos out of their fatasses
>>68146766
Top kek that whole channel is nothing but autism
>>68141827
Fug :DD
>>68144054
The conscription meme needs to die.
First, modern RF army if less than 50% conscripted.
Second, anyone who thinks in an actual war facing actual losses conscripts would have lower morale than some guys serving for college money is retarded.
>>68146820
> fuck knows how many bears/blackjaks
> fuck knows how many flankers/22s
> fuck knows how many subs
> fuck knows how many moskits
> fuck knows how many land-based systems
> muh 11 cbgs!!!
Sure thing.
>>68146051
USA USA USA
>>68147099
Yeah, but I want to play that vidya game.
>>68147122
This.
>>68146893
There are fanboys on both sides to be fair.
>>68146941
still wat?
>>68147065
north korea has nukes? wut
>>68144998
Now that's what I call shitposting
>>68138638
why are u asking?
>>68147065
The issue with this is it's only numbers, it doesn't show how effective the military is in each section.
Like how NK has more subs than Russia and the US, although they have more doesn't mean they're better.
>>68146941
DON'T TELL ME YOU'VE MOVED TO LITHUANIA NOW
>>68144998
Yah probably not. They got nukes, and tanks, and submarines, and jet fighters. What do We got... FUCK ALL. Our strategy is to be super nice to americans. This is how we survive.
>>68147221
Good oral hygiene is important in Lapland combat scenarios.
>>68144998
whoa there, weedman
>>68144683
Most of those things you listed concern separatists and not ruskies. Ruskies regular troops were fighting in mass numbers only in august of 2014. They outmaneuvered, surrounded and decimated our troops very fast. The only question is how many prepared like that troops they have. If all of their infantry/mechinfantry/artillery are prepared like that than probably their land forces are n.2(maybe n.3 after china). But i have some doubts about that.
>>68146051
>war with russia starts
>one russian muslim dies
>liberals rebel,overthrow the president and surrender to Putin
>>68147182
>bears/blackjacks
Bears and Blackjacks don't carry anti-ship missiles.
>flankers/22s
Flanker is a fighter, Tu-22M-3M is a bomber used in that role, but there's like 60 of them. Each can carry 2 AS-4 missiles (with reduced range of course, normal is 1) which are the only reliable weapon today, as they were in 70's for that matter. This new version is scary. But that's too little, Soviets used to have regiments of these planes.
>moskits
Not that useful in most of circumstances, we're talking about US navy here.
>land-based systems
Inferior.
You fail to appreciate how developed are US CBG defenses.
You'd need like 150+ missiles to breach their SAM shield, and that's if you somehow magically managed to destroy carrier air patrol.
>>68144054
Conscripts don't participate in real combat anymore, we have a professional army for that now. And there are millions legal ways to avoid being conscripted, so only the dumbest or those willing to do it serve.
Our birthrates are actually rising or so they say, and aids is a legacy of the total chaos of 90s when every second driveway had a pile of used syringes.
>>68144596
Canada sucking my cock.
Not a surprise.
>>68147667
>China
Chinese military is a big bloated joke. Their navy is even bigger joke. But they're improving.
>>68147065
Judging by my country, it's not very accurate and takes into account obsolete, retired or storage-retired weaponry.
>>68147857
Literally irrelevant in modern world discussion.
>>68138638
It's pretty strong, probably third or fourth strongest in the world, and if they got grumpy they could take it up a notch and really get nasty like when they btfod Germany.
That said they don't pose much threat outside of their own region/Europe nor do they seem interested so americucks don't have much to worry about outside of a nuclear exchange (though you are a finman so RIP)
>>68147774
> bear/blackjack don't carry
Yes they do
> Fighters don't carry
Yes they do
> Moskits not useful because assumptions
> Land-based not useful because assumptions
US CBG has trouble hitting slow moving targets, they're shitting themselves trying to improve it as fast as they can.
>>68145111
>shoot down a bombmer
>its a friendly unaware russian plane
>brags about it
hope you niggers get bomed every day
>>68146525
Something that can't shoot down hypersonic missiles?
>>68138638
not to be under-estimated, but still, inferior
>>68148020
Relevant on the 'having Canada sucking British cock' discussion
>>68147885
But they have huge numbers and very powerful industry, which russia lacks. And decades of corporate espionage resulted in some advanced weaponry. And they are advancing very fast.
>>68147892
this lol. we have literaly 10 planes. maybe less
>>68147796
Has moving over to a more professional army removed the issues with hazing and dedoschina or whatever it is called?
As for the aids/hiv epidemic, it seems like Russia still has a drug, if not a substance abuse problem that stretches over the entire country, but especially in forgotten industry towns.
>>68138638
Russo-American alliance when?
>>68147256
I don't know what are you doing on this board.
>>68147335
Because even if we fear or dislike each other, I feel respect for our respective martial power. And cause a joint military operation between us two would be utter terror to whatever poor fuck we decide to ruin
To explain you how it works: US carriers never go alone, and they're never at sea without 2 or 4 AEW planes searching the skies, plus a few fighters armed with AAM's just in case.
One carrier has some 40 fighters, these are F/A-18's which are inferior to previous F-14's but still okay.
So dozens of these missiles will be shot by F/A-18's, rest fall on SAM defenses of CBG.
Russians simply lack the means to saturate their defense. Submarines are the best bet.
>>68145111
>haha we shot down plane XD
Turkey's only military "victory" in the past 200 years.
>>68148209
Enjoy your welfare while it last Britbong, Canada will soon gain freedumbs, and we're going to be glad the Americlaps stepped in.
>>68148153
>not posting this
>>68148357
Oh fuck, I just got a hard on
>>68148234
12 Grippens and 16 L-159s.
>>68148350
Switching from 2 year to 1 year conscription solved like 2/3 of issues.
>>68148140
>Yes they do
They carry cruise missiles, not anti-ship missiles. You're simply wrong.
>Yes they do
Short range missiles. Useless in this case.
>assumptions
Too slow, not that great range.
>land-based
Same reasons, plus we're talking about CBG, they won't park it near the coast for Russian coastal artillery to take shots at it.
>>68148219
>very powerful industry
Industry overall. Russia has far better military industry even today. That's what matters in the war. Of course civilian industry can be converted but that's not a simple process.
>>68147796
No, aids remains a problem in russia. Sry, not hate but you guys have some serious work ahead
>>68148163
Kh-32 is the only operational near-hypersonic Russian missile. As I said, it can only be deployed by Tu-22M's though.
>>68148869
People who got it in 90s are dying, I guess.
I'm ignorant about this but I fail to see how situation could possibly be worse now.
>>68146073
>Estonia
Who?
t. half estonian
>>68149044
It was never confirmed current anti-missile systems are sufficient to defend even against subsonic ASMs.
>>68147885
the biggest joke is saudi arabia.
their army is incapable of using the hardware they bought.
take a look at Yemen. Got all that fancy stuff and cant keep their own backyard under control.
>>68148219
>China's pilots spend on average only 10 hours a month in the air
>Army had to downgrade physical fitness requirements two times since 2008 because of average Chinese getting fatter
>30% of total time spent in the army Chinese soldiers spend in marching, singing patriotic songs and studying Marxist-Leninist thought
>it is estimated China would have working and operational carrior task forces rivaling US in 2060
>a good part of the military budget last years was spent on readjusting hardware and uniforms since as mentioned before, Chinese grew taller and fatter. They literally couldn't fit into their tanks.
PLA is basically a police force.
>>68147335
Body of 'Russian military adviser' shown in new ISIS video http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3498615/ISIS-kills-five-Russian-soldiers-fighting-Ancient-Syrian-city-Palmyra.html#v-7570439119217314692
KEK.
>>68144998
Come on bro. That is some serious shit posting.
>Yes all Army soldiers are trained on C6, C7, C9, M72 SRAAW, M67 and various pyro
>But training is limited
>Whole divisions are broke
>Regiments are under strength
>Mass exodus of people who gave a fuck from the Forces
>Reservists don't want to show up once a week to clean weapons like they have done for the past 6 months for 4 times a month
>Reservists are encouraged to stay home from range qualification weekends because units cannot afford to qualify everyone
>Ammo is even more limited
>Our armour is old and worn
>Our logistics chain is completely fucked
>Our trucks suck
>Our LAVs are all fucked
>M113s are all scraped or on their 4th last life
>No spare parts for anything
>Uniforms are made by some shit company in Quebec
>They clearly don't give a fuck about quality control
>CF-18 air frames are all fucked
>Can't remember the last time I saw a working helicopter
>Navy is just as fucked
For the most part we have high quality soldiers, but our shit is all fucked
>Thats why I left
>>68148718
The corruption level in military industry is very high, most of the engineers and workers are far from being young. Everything that concerns electronic is very import depended.
And chinks can sustain heavy losses and replenish very fast, while russians can't.
>>68147796
>Our birthrates are actually rising or so they say
If that's true, it would be the worst news I've heard all year.
>>68149194
You must presume they are. Americans can be inefficient and wasteful often but they sure didn't sit on their asses for this one. CBG is decades of evolution.
I don't think the russians flew 300 billion light years from mars to get all rowdy.
>>68149064
articles, statistics and even the U.N., says you have a rising HIV infection rate. Also people tend to die very soon after infecting with the virus because of lack of proper treatment. Also it is stated on wikipedia that there is a cultural thing to hide such a serve disease as aids because of social repercussions
>>68149367
Patriot systems still suck against tactical ballistic missiles, so why ship AMS should be more effective.
>>68138638
Much of their equipment is still quite outdated. And the morale of Russian troops is still pretty low. The Russian military is advancing, however. Not at the rate of the chinese, but advancing nonetheless. The russians will be valuable allies in the upcoming war with islam.
>>68149291
They are mercenaries, there is nothing unusual.
USA, Russia, and China need to ally when Trump gets in charge.
Too bad they won't want to since our government will still be infected with corrupt Jews even if Trump wins
>>68149567
Maybe. It's not something i ever encountered anywhere except in school lectures about drugs.
>>68145686
Nigger we have more airplanes then they have military units.
>>68149269
Maybe you are right, I never payed much attention to their training only to their new hardware. But then I don't understand how this matches their ambitions in becoming regional and global leader. Do their leaders live in a fairy tail world and don't know about situation in the army?
>>68149064
So no, people from the 90s are not DYING but they´re already fuckin´dead. Fuckin treat em right you cold hearted cunts. My prussian heart cries, don´t let you folks perish that way. You want internet fags like me to make aids jokes about your country? God damn....
>>68149739
> military units
>>68149614
>Patriot systems still suck
Maybe in 90's. If you're refering to Saudis, they are incompetent and probably got monkey models. Also, tactical ballistic missile is still far faster than anti-ship missile.
>>68149721
well, it´s a start I guess
>>68140835
They need blue water naval bases.
That's the main reason they took over Crimea. It's why they lost to Japan.
>>68149603
Give me the rest, what did Weedman say?
>>68149353
TFR was 1.78 in 2015, highest of all European ex-commie countries.
>>68149652
Nice. Now their relatives won't get any compensations for their poorly-ended adventures in Syria.
Why do Americlaps think this thing won't be sunk the moment the US declares war on any country with a proper military (ie Russia)? Are they just really delusional? Imagine how big of a blow it would be when it gets ripped by a missile. After all this hype about muh military carriers one missile took this entire thing down, sinking 4.5 billion dollars along with it.
>>68146582
How many anti ship missiles do they have?
We have 158 tomahawks on one sub alone.
>>68140330
No, Russia is actually pretty shit.
They are a crumbling world power, they are barely have the might to bully tiny neighboring countries anymore. The only threat they still have is nuclear, which is the only reason they are relevant.
>>68149887
"Weedman said 'If we drive them out of a sovereign nation, the Russians win.' Votes no on NATO support.
>>68149992
Read what I wrote in this thread if you aren't just shitposting.
>>68150039
No, America is actually pretty shit.
They are a crumbling world power, they are barely have the might to bully tiny neighboring countries anymore. The only threat they still have is nuclear, which is the only reason they are relevant.
>>68150120
You wrote a bunch of shill bullshit, mate.
>>68149264
That's because the us is doing it for them, if Saudis did it they"d catch shit from everyone, if the us does it nobody says shit, even if it's daily extrajudicial assassination of acknowledged non-combatants with little to no regard for collateral deaths
Russia's military fell apart with the collapse of the Soviet Union and performed extremely poorly during the First Chechen War in 1995. The Chechens slaughtered Russian armored columns moving into their capital during the opening battles of the war. The Russians suffered staggering casualties (by post-WW2 standards, anyway) as their military broke down from years of neglect and poor doctrine/training.
By 1999 the Russians had licked their wounds and recovered somewhat from their post-Soviet lows. A series of apartment bombings triggered the next war in Chechnya while also bringing a formerly obscure prime minister from St. Petersburg into power.
They performed significantly better than they had the first time around, but they still had to end up setting up the son of a former anti-Russian guerilla named Ramzan Kadyrov to keep the peace.
The major fighting was over relatively quickly before the fighting turned into an insurgency and terrorist campaign after 2001 that persists to some extent to this day.
The Russians performed better still during the Russo-Georgian war of 2008, but they still had major deficiencies in their fighting capabilities and doctrine (like relying on cell phones for communication and US civilian GPS for navigation(.
After that the Russians launched a major overhaul of their force structure, composition, and doctrine, as well as starting a massive rearmament program that was funded from their then booming economy.
Interestingly one of the things that the Russians continued to fund in the crisis days of the collapse of the Soviet system was high-tech research and development, as well as their nuclear arsenal (for obvious reasons).
Russia's military is probably better trained, equipped, and more prepared for war than at any other point in it's history (the 1960's and 1970's for the Soviets are roughly comparable).
>>68149992
If you knew the armor (classified) and redundancies those fuckers have, not to mention the battle group designed to prevent a carrier from sinking, you'd know it takes a lot to sink these bitches.
(Or a Swedish submarine.)
>>68148357
We can only dream, it will never happen. We should compete for prosperity of humanity because no one else can. Only if strong enemy will appear and will threaten to mankind, this alliance possible.
>>68149739
>Nigger we have more airplanes then they have military units.
It doesn't quite work the same in real life as it does in a computer game, as Nazi Germany found out.
For one thing, logistics matter much more than quantity or quality. (And the USA has serious problems with logistics.)
>>68150120
Everything you said didn't make sense or add up.
>>68150044
thanks f.a.m
>>68150234
>if you know stuff you're a shill
>Russia is greatest1!!!
Okay buddy.
>>68144683
ITT: retard
The only russian troops you could see in Ukraine was in Crimea.
>>68150221
Kek
>>68147796
The Russian AIDS/HIV rate is closely tied to the rate of heroin abuse. Both dropped in the early 2000s after the Taliban eradicated the poppy fields in Afghanistan and halted the opium and heroin smuggling routes through central asia into Russia. Not anymore my vodka swilling friend.
>>68150356
They don't have quite the same amount of across-the-board technological dominance that the United States has, but they do excel and exceed America in certain areas.
>>68145272
Canada did more in WW2 in Europe than USA
>>68150371
It'd be enough to disable it so it becomes a floating chunk of metal. And then work towards sinking it.
>>68149996
Even their smallest corvettes (~1000 t displacement) can launch Kalibr missiles at targets 1000 miles away.
>>68149767
They don't want to be leader in USA way of understanding, they (Xi Yinping and friends) are doing everything they can to keep the country internally cohesive which means spreading soft economic power by securing trade routes with countries that supply them materials and oil.
They want to dominate South China Sea because that is where most of world shipping occures, over 5 trillion $ per year. Then that area around Singapoure (Moluccan Straits?) whch is an ultra majour potential choke point for them. And in the end Indian Ocean, which is 15-20 years at least into the future.
>>68150407
>didn't make sense
Or you didn't even read it. Do you people think Americans are retarded? Do you seriously think they spent hundreds of billions over decades to develop a weapons system and tactics that could be defeated by few missiles?
>>68150624
Yeah. 8 missiles. And Kalibr is subsonic.
>>68150406
As an ex historian I gotta cringe: You guys won by quantity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces
Almost all flying aces during WW2 were german yet you prevailed and killed them by mass.
>>68150663
Yes, Ameridumbs are pretty retarded.
>>68138638
>they seem to be doing pretty well.
against what enemy? They havn't fought a real war since WW2.
>>68150374
I suspect that the United States and Russia cooperate more behind closed doors than people realize.
I wouldn't be surprised that if in the event of a war between the United States and China Russia would covertly back the United States.
>>68150457
What stuff do you "know" exactly, because I've ignored most of your CIWS shilling and you seem to exist in a world where some Flankers can't just go and pop Yakhonts on burger ships, because "reasons".
>>68150537
Fuck off now
>>68146051
kek hold your breath until you see black
>>68145478
>1/4 of all exports are clothes and rugs
So like a slightly more developed Bangladesh.
>>68150663
> Do you think the American Military Industrial Complex spends money for the sake of spending money.
Yes.
If you disagree you're either a dipshit or a shill.
>>68150815
Why are you so angry Hans?
>>68141827
That image needs more diversity. More black and mexicans. More women.
>>68150813
>CIWS shilling
Didn't mention CIWS in a single post.
>go and pop
What is AEW. Seriously, at least read before you accuse me of being a shill.
>>68150937
Heater broke in his cuck shed. Keeping warm only by the heat of his Navidia GPU.
My graduate advisor collaborated a lot with Russian colleagues and he always praised their engineering as excellent.
I think one should try to look beyond the remnants of the anti-USSR propaganda. They are something serious to contend with if it comes down to it.
>>68149291
Fuck off ISIS
>>68148496
>what is Gallipoli
>>68145111
shoo shoo turkroach
>>68150514
Until you occupied Afghanistan and resumed the heroine production in full force. Gee, I wonder why did you pull out of Iraq and not Afghanistan.
>>68150967
2 dudes are Sami.
>>68150467
Nah, there were Russian troops in at least two operations against the Hohols. One was North Wind where Russian forces destroyed the spearhead of the Hohols and made it all the way to the Azov Sea from Dontesk within a few days without proper artillery support and no air support. The other time that Russian Military intervened was during the forming of the kotel around Debaltsevo. There Buryat tankers closed the kotel and encircled thousands of Hohols. All these operations are open secrets, but those operations were done way to well to be rebels.
>>68150923
Difference between you and me is that I actually know how their systems and tactics work while you just presume shit.
Are you diaspora by any chance? You sound like you're from here.
>>68151010
Your /k/-style shilling doesn't impress anyone with more than 2 brain cells you know that?
Everyone knows that the crusty turbovirgins from there spend years making countless threads trying to justify jokes like aircraft carriers and F35s, but that don't make it true, son.
How is Russia going to deal with this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Michigan_%28SSGN-727%29
Do they still use AK74s, or have they moved on to AKMs or AK12s?
>>68144460
>Wearing a hat in the shower
>>68151194
Stop watching TV John Johnson.
>>68146051
that's why you got rekt in every war since 9/11 by unarmed goatfuckers, right?
>>68151225
I'm not here to impress you though, I'm just telling you you presume too much and you aren't that versed in this subject so your only counter-argument is calling me a shill.
RUSSIA STRONG idiocy doesn't make sense, if you're pro-Russian and you obviously are, what interest do you have in making false presumptions about their potential opponent.
>>68150754
Different ways of counting sowned planed due to ideology, Germans emphasized individual achievments, Soviets group achievments.
>>68151211
> knows their systems and tactics
A joint attack between a couple of squadrons of Tu22s and submarines equipped with ASM has actually been shown on Russian TV/crossposted here.
Your only argument against it, is that the "defences will hold" and now you're backpedaling into "knowing their tactics"?
Fuck outta here.
>>68146622
Oh yeah? Well if we blockade them, then where will they get their new shipments of tracksuits and 80's movies from? That's what I thought, faggot.
This long ass article analyses every aspect and projects it into the future couple of decades. Pic related.
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/top-10-militaries-2015/
>>68151459
It's not presuming it's assuming.
Second of all, you're the clown praising American defenses with nothing to back it up.
>>68151477
Why are Russians more like East Asians than Europeans? Well, besides the lingering communism.
>>68150937
To relativize the role of an other nation means to relativize yours and you did by far the biggest sacrifice Vlad. To this date I don´t get why you don´t guilt trip us with genocide of 22 million russians (3-5 million russian died of the course of 5 year later because of injury or disease that resulted from the war) of an approximately 170 millionen nation. The "relations" would be high enough
>>68146422
>implying russia imports that food by ship and not trucks or trains
>>68150406
223 Globemaster III says otherwise, walk though our boneyards to see that logistics wont be a problem.
>>68151249
AK74M3, slow transition to AK-12 due to new equipment.
>>68151477
Well, nothing to add there. You´re right
>>68138638
They've learned from their mistakes. They shouldn't be underestimated.
>>68150624
So, they still don't have the numbers.
>>68151389
Well it did happen. And I don't know why some even bother denying it. It demonstrated complete combat superiority of the Russian Military.
>>68149341
>Yes all Army soldiers are trained on C6, C7, C9, M72 SRAAW, M67 and various pyro
This is true of all militaries though, it's important to note.
A DS of mine worked with Canadians in the 'Stan, I never did, but from what he told me Canada had the best specialist infantry of any force he worked with. They didn't have much support (without us), and they didn't have enough guys or equipment to have proper grunts, but they had excellent specialist infantry.
The only canadian Officer I ever met believed that civilians shouldn't be allowed to own firearms, and got mad at me whenever I told him that was fucking stupid (not in a professional environment). It was funny because he was apparently one of their SF guys (JTF?) and worked with training native militias, so I'm shocked he didn't see the value in it.
>>68147256
according to the clinton mails even saudi arabia does
>>68151481
>couple of squadrons
They have 70 in service.
>submarines
Coordinating submarines and air attack is very hard, even today.
>your only argument against it
Is that war doesn't happen like you imagine it, your opponent doesn't stand there doing nothing while you rape him.
I explained you here >>68148431 how US carrier tactics work.
For start, you probably still have no idea what AEW is, AEW is airborne early warning, or E-2 Hawkeyes which are ALWAYS patrolling. They will easily detect Flankers and Backfires hundreds of miles away.
>>68152092
If not its suggested they could buy from Pakistan.
They have missiles for them too.
>>68151631
>genocide of 22 million russians
They died to defend their country like heroes, silly Hans.
>>68147796
>Our birthrates are actually rising
thanks to shitskins
>>68151147
You can thank the CIA for that. They get to split the profits from the drug trade with the Paki ISI and degenerate Russian society from within. 2 birds with one stone :^)
>>68152301
Maybe we should help Mexican drug lords take advantage of degenerate american society. :^)
>>68152109
> opponent doesn't stand there while you rape
Unless it's Russia of course who stands there and lets E2s fly around.
Getting fucking tired of your one-sided assumptions.
>>68144998
Nice meme, leafman
>>68151877
Yes. But then why would it matter when Russia could accomplish the same thing that America would need ships ten times the size of those Russian ships.
>>68151250
Dindu nuffin
>>68151444
Witnessed for truth
>>68151631
It's because the ussr had no reason to propagandize the fact that their manpower got fucked during the war or the fact that they were about to launch an attack on Germany and got out surprised before they could do it. War and postwar propaganda concentrated on post-Stalingrad push back almost exclusively, and played up the grim but slow steamrolling of nazi forces. This is to distract from all the shit going on during the German push into Poland/Russia which was both a result of their first strike armies/equipment being caught with their pants down and humiliating for Russia that they were getting so blown the fuck out.
>>68151631
What would be the point? Also we do not connect modern Germans with Nazis back then.
>>68151561
>superpower by 2030
>>68151631
We don't blame German people but instead take our hatred on nazis.
>>68152542
Nice memes.
>>68152424
The CIA already tried that and [spoiler]it worked and crippled urban communities with crack addiction which combined with though on crime retardation has demolished the black family, which is an intentional backlash post-desegregation/civil rights[/spoiler]
test.
>>68152233
I wont deny that, yet the goal of the germans was "to annahilate the eastern folks for living space" hence the name "Vernichtungskrieg". There was no surrender, the only difference is that you guys had a gun in your hand while the jews didn´t but selfdefence doesn´t mean that it is not a genocide Vladimir.
>>68152441
And I'm getting fucking tired of you masking your lack of knowledge with memes and buzzwords.
>Russian stands there
What the fuck can they do you idiot?
Do you think Russian planes can fly everywhere, that Russian planes don't have fuel constraints or anything like that? How do you destroy AEW protected by carrier air patrol in the open sea?
Your idea of naval war is Americans putting their CBG near Russian coast and then Russians launching imaginary squadrons of Backfires while Americans do absolutely nothing. Also, Russian submarines magically appear and coordinate their attack with air force while attached American ASW ships do absolutely fucking nothing. It's like I'm talking to a 5 year old kid.
>>68152888
Why would you want to have a Romanian proxy?
>>68152520
We can lose ships one to one and still win. Further ours ships don't use tug boats to get around.
>>68152662
Explain why the ussr was raped even harder than France despite how many more men and equipment they had, and after they had mobilized to take over Poland?
Their shit was organized for attack and their planes were on the ground instead of running combat patrol, they got caught preparing a surprise attack
>>68138638
Not very. They have numbers, but that's about it. The logistics portion of the Russian military means that the vast majority of their tech is rusted heaps of shit. Just look at the botched invasion of Georgia and how long it took them to invade a neighboring country. That's not to say they're military is SHIT, it's just not very good and needs a lot of work before they could even consider going toe to toe with the West without resorting to nukes.
>>68153079
nice meme
>>68152558
>>68152649
That is something I respect tremendously, but it doesn´t contradict with the russian claim for a genocide.
>>68150805
S C O
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>>68153099
Because every country that was attacked by Germans was raped, we just didn't surrender, so huge losses.
>>68152947
And all you're doing is backpedaling from the fact that US CBGs would get blown the fuck out by Russian ASM.
First it was some imaginary defense that gorillions were spent on so it must be good.
Then it was, the Russians aren't in range.
Then it was, the Russians can't get there.
Then the submarines can't co-ordinate.
Just fucking stop already, kek.
> lack of knowledge
Nigger, you were actually sitting here and pretending a Flanker can't carry ASM, have you forgotten that or what?
Stop reading Tom Clancy.
>>68141827
I know they are engineers. But what the fuck are those rubber dildoes on sticks?
>>68153200
The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.
Russia KNOWS what she wants. WORLD DOMINATION. And she is laying her plans accordingly. We, on the other hand, and England and France to a lesser extent, don't know what we want. We get less than nothing as a result. If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on, we will get weaker and they will get stronger. Let's keep out boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Russians. This is the only language that they understand and respect.
>>68153168
But they don't have numbers, China and the us have much higher manpower reserves, so does Europe (but they might not last long enough to use it)
http://englishrussia.com/2012/03/30/ill-fame-of-the-aircraft-cruiser-admiral-kuznetsov/2/
>>Russian maintance
>>68152931
I didn't understand what you want to say?
>There was no surrender
>>68153509
I was talking more about fleet reserves rather than manpower reserves, but whatever.
>>68153361
Pugil Sticks, Teemu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugil_stick
>>68153450
>Russia KNOWS what she wants. WORLD DOMINATION.
He sure was projecting much. Was he cucked by a Russian or something?
>>68152542
I can see some on that and some has profound historical backgorund but still: After 1990 and the "revolution" of russia they could have sold it like that:
Oh noo, we were to proud to say that but the germnas genocided us and we want the UN claim to back that.
Boom: Any you know the german would have gave in because we know our historical responsibility. Imagine what kind of benefit they would have nowadays. You sanction us? lol, you genocided us you can´t. Same works for Israel. We give the free stuff for years and say sry every other month
>>68142737
:D i try sometimes
personally i believe that a war between the US and Russia would be scary. Two superpowers, highly trained men/women and modern technology.
>>68140330
Russia had that for years 2bh. It's basically panoramic microphones, picking up the peak frequencies of shots and pinpointing the direction.
The Russian versions are inmplemented into multicfunctional electronic warfare units and more compact tho, because they weren't used much in the military, but in the security sector instead. you can see them on black Benz cars in Moscow.
The whole system is picking up shot shounds, pick up and jam radio and electromagnetic frequencies and the advanced versions check the possible sniper scopes and lasers.
>>68138638
I think they accept losses better than the west. They seem to see it as a fact of war, the west treats war like a office diversity team building exercise. Russians are hard as fuck.
In the west we're all like "muh d-day, Iraq and Vietnam" the Russians roll their eyes and think, "that was a day in Stalingrad".
>>68153302
This is obsfucating the fact that I alluded to in my post: everyone got raped, Russia got raped like 10 times worse.
France resisted for weeks and Even Poland was still fighting back in Warsaw, Russia lost like 100x the land and a few times more men than either of them, why do you think they got wrecked so hard for so long?
>>68153326
Jesus Christ what a psychopath. I'm 90% sure you're from Balkans. Only Balkanites are so arrogant and confident despite not knowing shit, that's why we fail at everything.
>imaginary defense
Defense is not imaginary, it's SAM's on escorting ships.
>Russians aren't in range
>Russians can't get there
Those are absolute statements. I just told you shooting down AEW's who have protection while at open seas is an impossibly hard operation. And even if you shoot them down, fucking ships have radars you know?
>submarines can't co-ordinate
Never said that, I just said they can't do it easily. When submarine communicates, it's far easier to detect it.
>pretending a Flanker can't carry ASM
I never said that you drooling moron, I just said that they aren't anti-shipping platforms primarily and the missiles they carry aren't good enough.
>Stop reading Tom Clancy.
And you start reading you dumb idiot. You sound so arrogant, yet you don't know shit about the subject you chose to discuss.
>>68153571
Even if you guys surrendered, the wehrmacht would still go on.
>>68153745
>https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
>>68153928
I know which quote it is.
>>68153891
> tfw Tom Clancy fans are all up in your grill
Did you read that one about Russians launching a surprise nuclear attack with a bunch of tu160s and some heros on B52 with laser guns intercepted them? 12 year old me loved that shit.
>>68153916
>Even if you guys surrendered, the wehrmacht would still go on.
There is nothing new, that's why Berlin was raped.
>>68154253
>le Clancy meme
Only thing I read from Clancy was Red Storm Rising.
>>68138638
They are trained to be tougher and a bit more thuggish than our forces. And they come to the fight with zest and zeal. Man for man, they can be said to be tougher than ours. But with our falling standards that is what happens when you have Liberals run your country.
Their tech is outdated but they have a lot of it. Their tech is also cheap to make and maintain and can be deployed in massive numbers, some of it being surprisingly sturdy even if it is garbage compared to the west's best. They aren't as well trained in the art of finesse, thats true. You send Spetsnaz to deal with a hostage situation? You are going to end up with piles of dead hostages, but they get the job done.
But if you put one of ours in a small room with one of theirs, usually theirs will be the only one leaving.
This will continue. Especially if we keep lowering our standards to cater to political correctness. But I suppose the left will be comfortable dragging this country down to it's death, so long as it is "diverse" when it is tossed into the grave.
I suppose with this continued trend, our only hope is that technology takes over for our failings. Provided, of course, that that technology doesn't rebel and kill all of us.
>>68153780
Interesting. Whoever creates this kind of equipment is creative.
>>68153450
>Russia KNOWS what she wants. WORLD DOMINATION.
my gosh...we just want to be ONE OF the global economic in the world, we need markets...no one want war
Pretty strong i guess since they never well for the lightweight air mobile sand war brigades meme.
>>68138638
first and foremost they need a much stronger economy and industry because at this rate they can barely support a war against a weak neighbour like georgia/ukraine or a small intervention like in syria
then they need to modernise their army and get rid/sell most of that old soviet shit thats costing a lot to store and keep operational and wont be used in a serious war.
their intervention in syria is a good step towards that matter, most of the old planes used there will not come back because they have already exceeded their operational capabilities in flight hours , and they will probably be able to sell a lot of soviet era btrs, bmps, mlrs and t-somethings to poorfag asian countries. its better to have a variety of 20 vehicles that you can built spare parts and ammo for than 100 vehicles that you need to constanly figure out tricks to keep them working because they have stopped producing certain parts for them since the 80s
as for the soldiers to become on par with the americans they have to go into combat and not just selfies like they mostly did in syria. and that unfortunately means deaths but theres no other way
>>68154561
You want the Baltic states back.
Over my dead body will you get Estonia.
>>68154752
No asians..so fake.
>>68144847
Russia is going down the superpower ladder. It's citizens are too stupid to put a effective government in power, and the government is going out of its way to make its citizens stupid to stay in power. The only reason they aren't suffering massive famines like they have in the past is that everyone else has made farming shit easy.
>>68138638
They have, and have always had massive numbers, that seems to trump technical superiority when that superiority isn't completely overwhelming.
>>68154910
from a movie or something, no idead
>>68154440
Don't lie anon. Post your Clancy Collection.
>>68154888
speak for yourself. I'm not dying for a third world shithole.
>>68154813
>have to go into combat
Georgia.
Ukraine.
>>68154888
>You want the Baltic states back
Are you serious?
>>68154551
Apparently these was a wave of assassinations in the 90s and the demand for these kind of things created a big market for corporate top management and politicians.
It's pretty freaky when one of these cars passes you - your radio and phone signal go dead and your GPS start freaking out. I've been told there are FSB cars with EMI emitters, that shut down your electronics, but I don't know it it's true.
>>68155024
I can't confirm that collection exists but there's nothing wrong with Clancy.
>>68153831
Because Barbarossa was a more massive operation. Because combat was far more severe. Because Germans were commited to a policy of genocide, unlike in France. For example, a huge number of Soviet casualties are prisoners, who were killed/starved in millions.
>>68153916
Nobody doubt in this in Russia
>>68155066
Don't worry, I don't expect NATO to actually hold their promises when Russia comes for Estonia. I'll be joining the kaitseliit.
>>68155106
"Little Green Men" will pop-up in Narva by the end of Summer.
>>68155330
>"Little Green Men" will pop-up in Narva by the end of Summer.
And tanks in 30 minutes after that.
>>68155307
XAXAXA Dimitri, and I don´t doubt that russians don´t doubt XAXAXAXAXA
>>68149341
>Navy is just as fucked
Navy is even more fucked. I was reading an article the other day ranking our Navy somewhere around the strength of Bangladeshes. For a nation with our enormous coastline, that's pretty pathetic.
>>68155330
Tourists?
>>68155069
georgia was a two week war 10 years ago. actual russian military intervention in ukraine is debatable, if we are talking about modern combined arms offensives. keep in mind usa has some soldiers into actual combat almost everyday in the last 15 years and many thousands constantly mobilised, getting sent into warzones doing combat patrols and low level fighting etc.
i think chechnya and dagestan are much better for experience although georgia and to some extent ukraine are more comparable to conventional wars. im not sure how much of the ukrainian populace want to fight the russians though especially in those areas where there is war.
it's amazing how many people are assblasted over the poor holhols and their kike "revolution" being bullied by mean ol putler
>>68155292
Read your posts. It's actually quite uncommon to find here an adequate poster with unbiased view. I like you.
>>68155493
Why are you still mad Hans? War is over, but your war with kebabs is just beginning,
>>68154888
retarded alert
u just retransmit CNN news
take off ur baltic states...no one need it
>>68155273
The more i read about this subject the more fascinated i am becoming - in part because years ago i happened to be riding a bicycle when what appeared to be a VIP motorcade drove by. I pulled out my phone to pause my music and take a picture, but the phone had become frozen only to start working normally again a few minutes after they had fully driven by. And by frozen I mean I hit the pause button and the button just stayed illuminated, the music stopped, but nothing else would function. I guess its not a coinkydink that i never had before and never again had that problem with that phone.
Creepy.
>>68153776
can russian women even serve in combat roles?
>>68155819
I´m not mad, pal. I´m off to sleep. Good night and spasiba from a prussian guy/family, was a good conversation
>>68155864
I don't watch CCCPNN news, Anon Anonovich.
I have never trusted Russia and I never will.
I just hope to kill as many of you as I can before I catch the bullet.
>>68155980
Don't even dream about it, i'll rape you first.
>>68155653
>georgia was a two week war 10 years ago
Yeah, and they did very well.
>actual russian military intervention
Isn't really debatable. They certainly sent troops.
>actual combat
Actual patrolling and shooting insurgents, here and there.
Not a real combat. Georgians and Ukrainians aren't Arabs for start.
>Ukrainian populace
Most are mostly apolitical, but it was a real war nonetheless.
>>68156138
hm...fat troll or just dumb as fuck...hm...
>>68156471
>Anon Anonovich
Cockhole immigrant probably.
>>68156471
Or maybe Finnish.
