http://endingthefed.com/breaking-trump-just-revealed-his-plan-for-obamacare-and-its-better-than-we-dreamed.html
Holy fuck this gets me hard
tl;dr
1. Ask Congress to completely repeal Obamacare, including the individual mandate. “No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.”
2. Modify existing laws to allow for the sale and purchase of health insurance plans across state lines. “By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.”
3. Make health insurance premium payments fully deductible on an individual’s tax return in the same way that businesses are allowed to deduct their premium payments.
4. Permit individuals and families to use tax-free Health Savings Accounts. These accounts would not only be allowed to accumulate, but also be transferable and inheritable, and would be flexible enough to use on behalf of other family members if necessary.
5. Require transparency in pricing by health care providers and health care organizations, such as insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and clinics. “Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.”
6. Convert Medicaid funding into block grants to the states. “The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead.”
7. Remove barriers to entry in the pharmaceutical drug industry. Making pharmaceutical drugs more of a competitive free market would bring down prices and improve safety and reliability by allowing consumers more options to fill their prescription drug needs.
PROS V CONS GO
>>68131103
I like 5 the best. 6 is retarded since states pretty much have full control of Medicaid.
>>68131103
The only thing I care about is the individual mandate.
The socialists can have their DUDE FREE HEALTHCARE LMAO, but as long as I have the choice to stay the fuck out of it, I'm happy.
>>68131103
>unless he or she wants to
Um, wow, this is so offensive to genderfluid otherkin such as myself!
I've heard him say 1, 2 and 3 pretty much in various rallies and speeches, but the rest of this becomes brilliant.
Sounds incredibly, gotta say I'm jealous.
>>68131103
This means you still pay a premium but later you can deduct it from the amoubt of money you have to pay in taxes, right?
How does that help the people that dont have health insurance cause its too expensive? Is the idea that they should be capable of affording an insurance after the prices drop fue to the free market policies?
We need a complete moratorium on taxation on everyone and every company in the healthcare industry as well. This will create the growth needed to supply americans with enough affordable healthcare.
>>68136737
and hundreds more medical schools and millions more doctors. The usa should be opening dozens of medical schools a year for 20 years.
>>68131103
Well for starters is that his plan would leave 20 million people without health insurance.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-health-care-reform-plan-falls-far-short
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13482070/1/here-s-what-donald-trump-s-health-care-plan-means-for-the-economy-and-your-wallet.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2016/03/17/caught-on-health-reform-trump-does-indeed-copy-paste-other-peoples-work/#4237da9d4138
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430943/donald-trumps-bad-deal-health-care-reform
>>68131103
This is a great way to improve our healthcare. Obamacare being a disaster for everybody is a fact and the Dems still want to expand upon it.
>>68131103
That seems pretty reasonable. Wonder how the media will spin it.
>>68137143
>check flag
>check sources
Yeah, not surprised.
>>68137359
Oh I'm sorry I be sure to link Infowars and other trust worthy sources when they decided to stop licking Trumps orange asshole.
>>68137143
There are still 29 million without health insurance, even after Obamacare sought to fix that. Just listen to Bernie or read the GAOs own report
>>68137143
>Well for starters is that his plan would leave 20 million people without health insurance.
All health insurance companies, except a few in very white states (where responsible people live) are losing money on obamacare, and will soon exit the obamacare marketplace unless something is done to give them more money. People are abusing obamacare, using loopholes to get insurance when they aren't supposed to, and it is out of control.
It's a completely unsustainable system, and in fact, republicans getting rid of obamacare right before it fails is a fantastic out for the democrats, so they can try again and fuck up even worse.
>>68137143
Why is this a problem? As if trying to keep myself alive isn't hard enough I need to start caring for the retards who refuse to try period?
Sweden, this is why you're imploding.
Can you guys tell me really specifically why Obama care is bad? Aside from it being forced upon us.
>>68136506
correct and Medicaid would exist for people who make below a certain income as well
>>68137630
Obama did it.
>>68137143
He does not work does not eat, Sven.
>>68137143
>>68137459
Mohammad, just stop. Who even let you use the Internet?
>>68137499
So great a total of 49 million with Trumps plan. Sounds good
>>68137587
He asked for pros and cons, I gave him a con.
>>68131103
6 is redundant but wow everything else looks like a solid A+.
Can I vote for Trump even if I'm not a registered Republican?
>>68131103
>4. Permit individuals and families to use tax-free Health Savings Accounts. These accounts would not only be allowed to accumulate, but also be transferable and inheritable, and would be flexible enough to use on behalf of other family members if necessary.
So this effectively means I can still be covered by my parents as a young man before I get fully on my feet?
>>68137761
The same people that allowed you to use the Internet Jamal.
The Jews.
>>68131103
Holy fuck... I don't even like Trump but this is great.
>>68137143
That is total bullshit. I'm on Medicaid and I know my insurance isn't going anywhere. It is State by State managed. My State is the one handling it.
Sweden. Do your best not to trust the media.
>>68137630
-Reduced competition
-Wealthy elite benefit from required customers
-Lower middle class forced to pay high prices
-Prices skyrocketting by up to 200% across many previously covered "free" prescriptions and services
-overall terrible and forced bigger gov
The main problem is corruption but obamacare just makes it way worse while playing on the feelings of MUH UNCOVERED POOR PEOPLE HELP DEM WIF MORE PROGRAMS
From what Ive read about trumps plan, it is a huge much needed improvement
>>68137796
there's no 'con' to people not getting things they can't give anything in exchange for.
furthemore, health care is only expensive because of government regulation, without that, one wouldn't even need insurance because they could just pay for the fucking service.
>>68137890
You have to be registered for a party in order to vote for that party in the USA?
>>68137959
That one is obviously Ben Carson's input.
The man is a true genius!
>>68138058
>Do your best not to trust the media
I do my best not to trust anyone.
>>68138105
For the primaries you have to be a registered republican or democrat to vote for either of them. I think this is because they're parties and aren't actual branches of the government. So their internal politics are regulated this way.
However I'm wondering if/hoping we aren't so cucked that we have to register for a party to vote in the general election.
>>68131103
"Reduce barriers to entry in the pharmaceutical market."
>I just came a little bit
>Read the rest of it
>Still erect
>>68137963
You're not good enough to use "the Jews" as an excuse.
>>68138233
Yeah. Just trust God. Nobody else is trustworthy. We all got our own motives.
>>68137630
Hypothetical scenario
>person can't get health insurance through employer for one reason or another
>person does not make enough to purchase insurance on their own and survive (cuts into food, transportation etc budgets)
>person is in the process of finding a better job that would allow for insurance to either be provided by the employer or become reasonably affordable but has not found one yet
>person is severely injured. E.g broken leg
>person can no longer work
>person has no insurance and so must pay for the entirety of treatment out of pocket
>under Obama care person is also cited and fined several thousand additional dollars for not being insured
You now have a person that is unable to work and saddled with not just tens of thousands of dollars of inescapable medical debt, but also federal fines tacked on as a final LOL FUCK YOU from Obamacare.
This is just one way it is shitty. There are a plethora of others.
>>68137890
In the general election, yes you can.
>>68136506
This is a serious boon to middle class families who had healthcare and liked it, and got shafted under Obamacare. Now they'll be able to save the 30% off the top due to the tax deduction. People who can't afford any healthcare during their working prime are usually on medicaid anyway.
>>68138137
It's a good idea from another great man
>>68137630
>forced
It wasn't forced. Listen to the Obamacare architect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adrdmmh7bMo
>>68138365
oh shut up and keep posting Jamal, we are both on a paycheck here and I will report you if you don't keep up.
>>68138085
those are all valid. but the primary problem with socialized healthcare is the low productivity it creates.
healthcare in very basic terms, is people performing services, and stuff. if we want enough workers, and enough stuff, we need to allow the free market to provide them for us, because the free market does it best. Ideally in a tax free environment as well.
>>68138309
You can vote however you like in an actual election. Party registration means nothing.
>>68131103
>1. Ask Congress to completely repeal Obamacare, including the individual mandate
You mean what Congress has tried to do 40+ times now and failed ato every single time?
People don't realize how much of a difference having interstate competition for insurance companies. Most companies can charge whatever the hell they want in a particular state because they hold a monopoly. Allowing interstate competition means they no longer can price gauge or offer shit policies.
Giving full control of medicare to the state is pretty good, considering medicare is currently shit and gives little reimbursement to hospitals that even bother to accept it
Health savings accounts are even better because that's money you can set aside for medical costs that you know for sure will always be there and will never be held up by red tape or any other bullshit health insurance companies might pull
The biggest one is 7. Eliminating the big pharms monopoly on the FDA will allow more generic drugs to be sold in America, greatly reducing costs.
THe only people who would hate this are retarded liberals who want their shitty Universal Healthcare.
>>68137630
It's a generational wealth transfer from the young (who aren't making as much as older generations) to the old (who oversaw the largest accumulation of wealth in US history and blew it all on Yanni concerts and what-have-you). The whole thing is a massive wealth transfer.
>>68138857
Republican majority in Congress + Republican president = Repealed Obamacare
It hasn't been repealed yet because Obama doesn't put refuses to sign on any repeal even if it passes the house
>>68138857
The republicans in congress has tried to repeal it
The democrats in congress make it so it stays
>>68138943
That's Social Security you're describing there.
>>68138085
Thanks, I'm drawing pretty big crowds at work defending Trump. I'm 27, only got into politics recently and haven't been to college and it's stunning there's people who know less than me, they actually just stand around and listen to me debunk shit. I haven't spoke out because I expected to get btfo but I couldn't take this "racist" "he'll start ww3" crap, totally preposterous, and it turns out no one can back those claims up.
>>68131103
> endingthefed.com
0/10
Apply yourself
>>68131876
>tfw mandatory health insurance
>tfw it covers nothing but you can't get hospital care outside of emergency without them
>tfw they even want to make it illegal not to pay them
>multiple tfw gypsies get everything for free because gypsies
And since images speak louder than greentext here's a hospital's inner yard.
I took the picture about a month back visiting a doctor. The inside of the building is not much better condition as it's seen only minimal maintenance since it's construction. The equipment is abysmal. Half-decayed soviet x-ray from the 50's brings back vivid memories. The single x-ray they took probably cut my life by 10 years judging by the noises it made.
>>68139067
Pretty sure it's Socialism he's describing there.
>>68139196
>and it turns out no one can back those claims up.
I can back the WW3 claim up
>Trump wants new deal with Iran
>Iran says no to the deal because they see it for the crap it is
>Trump gets mad and invades Iran
>WW3 starts because of net of alliances
>6. Convert Medicaid funding into block grants to the states. “The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead.”
This amounts to a massive funding cut for Medicaid. So much for helping the poor.
http://www.cbpp.org/blog/proposed-medicaid-block-grant-would-add-millions-to-uninsured-and-underinsured
>>68137143
>everyone needs health insurance
I don't want health insurance at this point in my life. Why should the government take that from me?
>>68139266
And I'm pretty sure that the issues you mentioned is not because of mandatory health insurance.
>>68131103
>Require transparency in pricing, free market pharma
makes me hard as diamonds
>convert medicaid funding into block grants
republican states will squander the funds
the rest is meh
>>68139454
It demonstrates how such systems are breeding ground for corruption and incompetence
>>68131103
RON PAUL FOR VP
>>68139580
Maybe it does
Maybe it doesn't
>>68139396
>This amounts to a massive funding cut for Medicaid. So much for helping the poor.
If you want to help the poor then vote for Sanders you faggot, nobody cares about the poor and nobody with any chance of being a president will do anything for a bunch of parasites like the poor.
>>68131103
Transparency in pricing alone would big the biggest change in healthcare in human history.
>>68139373
>WW3 starts because of net of alliances
Literally who? Russia? Russia wont do shit to help Iran.
>>68137630
It isn't affordable.
You shouldn't pay a penalty just because you don't enlist. Risk of complete out-of-pocket payment should be penalty enough.
Because employers MUST provide health insurance to full-time workers, they have found loopholes by cutting people's hours just so they don't have to provide insurance.
>>68137143
Yes the low risk people for whom it isnt worthwhile
>>68139580
Only in Bulgaria, in all other places it is very effective, fast and gives great care while covering everything. You DON'T have proper healthcare.
>>68139751
Yes they will, and chances are Pakistan join Iran and Russia as well.
So America calls in Saudi Arabia and Israel
Then India joins America as well to get rid of Pakistan
Then China joins Russia.
Then we got a giant mess on our hand and I'm still not sure how the other players would join or why.
The most important thing I can see is that this would significantly decrease the cost of insurance and medications. These are the biggest barriers to people who aren't rich being able to pay for their healthcare out of pocket.
>>68139767
Love this pic i really hate that guy on CNN hopefully I will not see him on tv again he is a waste of air time.
>>68131103
Removing the individual mandate is kinda dumb since it would allow insurers to either deny coverage over pre-existing conditions or jack up rates, but other than that it's solid.
>>68139694
>If you want to help the poor then vote for Sanders you faggot, nobody cares about the poor and nobody with any chance of being a president will do anything for a bunch of parasites like the poor.
>vote for Sanders
It's too obvious Norfag. You need to hide it better.
>>68131103
SHUT IT DOWN DRUMPF IS A RACIST
he'll be crucified for 5
>>68139963
>>68139767
Is it even possible for a president to remove the two term limit?
>>68139373
Do you chucks even have any understanding that the president can't just start war arbitrarily and make it happen in such a manner? You must have swallowed too much semen after bringing out your bull, because something is making you stupid.
>>68133098
fucking kek
>>68131103
>3
this won't do much, as too many people have no income tax liability or not enough to fully take advantage of the deduction.
>4
you can already do that, lots of people already use HSAs not sure what he's actually trying to say her
>5
Transparency is nice but at the same time for a many health problems you're not going to have time to "shop around" or even have that many options if you live in a smaller town
>7
not sure what "barriers" he means here, unless its just FDA safety regulations, which while burdensome, are generally pretty necessary. Some of the regulations might be too strict, but even so its not going to just lower drug prices magically. The barrier to entry for making pharmaceuticals is very high, and the prices are high because of that and other reasons that aren't due to regulations
>Obamacare
while I hate it as much as most people here, repealing the whole thing would also get rid of the tax increases in it, which would significantly add to the deficit unless you cut severely in medicaid.
>>68139925
>and chances are Pakistan join Iran
wtf... You don't know much about International politics, now do you. That is like saying Pakistan would help Israel if something happens. If Pakistan helped Iran/Israel then there would be civil war.
China is not going to fight any wars for Russia, you need to read a bit more about how they operate. What are you? 14?
>>68140107
>Implying Trump will care about such things
>>68138309
Even then it depends on the state.
In Michigan you don't need to register for a party to vote in the primary.
Can someone give me the link to the young man who was BTFOing Trump protesters with logic?
>>68140158
Well they sure as fuck aren't going to stay neutral or join USA.
>>68140157
>repealing the whole thing would also get rid of the tax increases in it,
It will also get rid of the protection for people who have a pre-existing condition.
>>68140157
for 7, he might actually address copyrights with drugs. right now it's what, like 7 years before a generic is legal? id wager he would address that, and probably some testing phases as well.
>>68139266
I'm really sorry Bulgaria is such shit right now, Kaloyan. Here's hoping it works out for you guys. Just keep calm, reject communism, and leave the EU when you get the chance.
>>68137334
They won't need to because HITLER WALL.
>>68140099
well when Roosevelt was there he got elected four times and he was democrat then they made a law to make term limitations. I think we the people can find a way to slip past that law. Although I would not recomend it, but I would like to see trump reelected a third time to piss off the left because they tried to do it with Obama and senate denied it (Thank god)
>>68140184
You'll have to be more specific, that has happened quite a lot.
>>68140324
Just don't fall for the red's sweet tricks about free stuff. It ain't gonna be free.
>>68140710
>well when Roosevelt was there he got elected four times and he was democrat then they made a law to make term limitations
I know which is why I ask if it's even possible to remove it.
>>68140804
That guy with weird looking beard.
>>68138507
>>68138763
Thank you. God bless you.
>>68140179
Well that blows my theory outta the water.
>>68137143
This. Literally everyone is covered and is receiving the least expensive and highest quality healthcare in the world under the Affordable Healthcare Act™
>>68141047
You're fucking a white male!
>>68131103
Just a few weeks ago he was for socialized healthcare, "like what they have in Europe and Canada".
Trumpbots' selective memory has probably already forgotten this, though.
Trump has zero principles, just like Hillary. Who the fuck knows what he's actually going to do if he becomes President.
>>68138858
>People don't realize how much of a difference having interstate competition for insurance companies. Most companies can charge whatever the hell they want in a particular state because they hold a monopoly. Allowing interstate competition means they no longer can price gauge or offer shit policies.
Not really, as companies can already sell policies to different states. The whole "selling across state lines" bit doesn't really make sense to me, because state regulations on health care plans vary wildly. I mean is Trump saying that you can say, buy a policy from a Kansas company (where there are possibly less regulations on health insurance) if you live in say an expensive health care state like California? If that is the case then its going to be a messy legal battle that Trump might lose. States will want to enforce their rights to regulate the insurance market, and buying an out of state plan that doesn't conform to your own states regulations might not hold up in court.
Of course Trump could also be saying that he will create national health insurance regulations that all states will have to comply with, but thats just another massive Federal takeover
>>68131103
>endingthefed.com
trash
>>68139067
It's also SS, true.
>>68140870
Yeah, we've seen how that works out for everyone else. Only college kids are dumb enough to support that here. We don't want to categorically reduce our individual standards of living.
See here: https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-states-they-would-be-among-poorest-states
>>68131103
>1. Ask Congress to completely repeal Obamacare, including the individual mandate.
One of the stupidest fucking things ever. Are trumpfags really this dumb?
>>68138233
>not even yourself
>>68131103
5 and 7 definitely get me moist.
I'm tired of having to ask family members on vacation overseas to purchase my medication because large local brands have forced cheaper alternatives out.
>>68140157
>3
>this won't do much, as too many people have no income tax liability or not enough to fully take advantage of the deduction.
I somewhat disagree with this. if the standard deduction is around 6500 a year, many people spend that much on mortgage interest alone pushing them from the standard deduction into the itemized bracket. adding another 2k on top of that for health insurance would certainly help the single middle class or small business owners.
>>68140099
The 22nd Amendment "Limits the number of times that a person can be elected president: a person cannot be elected president more than twice, and a person who has served more than two years of a term to which someone else was elected cannot be elected more than once."
So all he'd have to do is get that repealed
>>68131742
>6 is retarded since states pretty much have full control of Medicaid
The federal government eats up billions and billions of dollars in third redundant administrative costs
>>68141320
>listening to lyin' ted's lies
He said that he doesn't want people to die in the streets. But tedster spun that into "Trump is the next Bernie lmao"
>>68137959
HSA's aren't health insurance plans. You would still be responsible for the total out of pocket cost of whatever healthcare you're receiving. However, your parents could pay for it with the HSA if there are enough funds.
7 is the only novel addition to typical Republican policy.
>>68137143
This plan would also leave 20 million women who currently work for health insurance companies without the funds necessary to upgrade their BMW lease when it matures.
>>68131103
This is basically European healthcare: the post.
Czechs are required to pay health and social care if they make over CZK10 000. Because our minimum wage is approx. CZK9 000 a month, it's reaaaaally hard not to fall into paying health insurance by law.
>>68142318
>He said that he doesn't want people to die in the streets.
And also praised single payer healthcare at a GOP debate.
>>68139396
Yeah this is a pretty shitty idea. States can barely handle education funding.
>>68131103
I like it
It's completely ridiculous how my insurance premium is $200 a month for me but only $80 a month for some faggot bureaucrat in Washington DC
>>68142467
>7 is the only novel addition to typical Republican policy.
Trump is just a typical cuckservative Republishit
the fact all you morons support someone like this should tell you about who ignorant sons of a bitch you guys are.
This stupid man believes the USA has federal libel laws. We don't have any such thing.
>>68142168
>small business owners
these can already deduct premiums on individual tax returns
I agree that many middle class people would benefit from the deductions, its the lower-middle class who will not be helped at all. Unless it's changed to a tax credit, then these people will be stuck paying increasing premiums out of pocket while not qualifying for medicaid. Many will likely just opt out of coverage, particularly if obamacare is repealed, then if something goes wrong they will either head to the ER or have to pay out of pocket or go bankrupt.
>>68140010
Dude what? Those two things are not related.
>>68142607
that is how he would prevent people dying in the streets.
The state pays for your health insurance if you are extremely poor (probably shit coverage btw) and you can pay for something better once you start making money.
I don't understand how this is a bad thing
>>68131103
>2. Modify existing laws to allow for the sale and purchase of health insurance plans across state lines. “By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.”
THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!
ive been doing this for 13 years, and thats just not how it works. every state has their own department of insurance that regulates insurance sales within their state. this includes the companies that sell their products there, agents that are allowed to sell there, and so on.
so for instance i live in florida, and if i want to sell insurance in texas i have to pay the texas doi some fees in order to do so. if i have a customer complaint about me in texas it goes to the texas doi, because thats where texas has jurisdiction. texas has no jurisdiction in florida and at most can fine me or bar me from selling in their state. any legal action beyond that is implied to the doi in florida that they should do something. if this restriction is removed its essentially giving state agencies jurisdiction nationwide. im not opposed to getting rid of state dois and having a federal one. it costs me thousands of dollars a year to keep my licenses up to date in 40+ states and certain states make you jump through hoops and pay a fuck ton of fees and require extra registration of your business and all this bullshit.
i had this fuckstick customer in virginia complain about me to his doi. the guy made too much money to get a subsidized premium for his humana policy, so he had to pay full price. his complaint was i didnt put his application through the healthcare.gov site and instead i applied him directly through humana. same price, same policy. but because it wasnt done through the government he complained. virginia doi calls the florida doi and then 2 inspectors came to my office to hassle me and go through my records and so on. also AMA
>>68138472
>cant afford food and health insurance
They would qualify for free coverage.
>>68143053
>The state pays for your health insurance if you are extremely poor (probably shit coverage btw) and you can pay for something better once you start making money.
That's what Democrats want, not Republicans.
Trump = RINO
>>68143650
So that automatically makes it bad then
>>68143525
>They would qualify for free coverage.
not necessarily. States that have not expanded medicaid under obamacare can have pretty strict requirements to get it. If you work a shit job but get by, you won't qualify but neither can you afford any health insurance premiums.
>>68139925
Pakistanis hate iranians, what the fuck are you smoking, sven.
>>68143457
hello humana, we're about to buy you
>>68143457
>THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!
Just like everything else Trump says.
He's a corny capitalist shill.
>>68140955
It's possible to change any law in the entire country entirely legally. Some things are far more difficult to change, though, like the constitution.
>>68131103
>No person should be required to buy insurance
Unless it's car insurance...
>>68131103
>“No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.”
I wish this shit applied to car insurance.
>>68145606
>>68145533
this is some meme magic right here
>>68131103
>“No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.”
I wish this shit applied to car insurance. I'ma good driver!
>>68145668
Niggers and other poor people are not. You know how annoying it is to get rear ended by someone without insurance?
>>68131103
>5, 6, 7
Muh Free Market
>>68139396
Fuck the poor!!
>>68145952
Call it Trust busting, if that makes you feel like your safe space. The jews have rigged so that you can't even import medicine 50% off from Canada.
It'll be hard to beat the kikes on this one, but it's very much necessary.
>>68146225
But dude, cheap medicine lmao
>>68140172
>>68140172
>implying you wont
Youve watched a few internet videos, read a few huffington post articles, and seen Trump on TV. Don't act like you know anything but a biased brainwashing about what Trump is "REALLY" like.
Youve never met him and never will.
>>68137890
Certain states allow voting for republican candidate even if not registered republic. use the google and look up your states rules.
>>68140272
Why wouldn't they? We're their biggest market. Not only that, our armed forces can and would btfo of russias and with china's added manpower/ second front it would be a curb stomp.
>>68145787
This
Just imagine all the beat up cars running into shit because "daaamn nigga we done hit the ferrari this time!"
