Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing pol-tards
"this vision of homogenous, altruistic Nordic lands is mostly a fantasy. The choices Nordic countries have made have little to do with altruism or kinship. Rather, Nordic people have made their decisions out of self-interest. Nordic nations offer their citizens—all of their citizens, but especially the middle class—high-quality services that save people a lot of money, time, and trouble. This is what Americans fail to understand: My taxes in Finland were used to pay for top-notch services for me."
"surely these Nordic “socialist nanny states” pay the price in squashing entrepreneurship and business innovation?... In reality, however, Nordic nations have produced what is, by any metric, an impressive output of successful entrepreneurs, international businesses, and brands. Sweden has Ikea, H&M, Spotify, and Volvo, to name a few. From Denmark have come Lego, Carlsberg, and one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies, Novo Nordisk. A Swede and a Dane co-founded the video calling service Skype. The core programming code of Linux—the leading operating system running on the world’s servers and supercomputers—was developed by a Finn. The Finnish company Nokia was the world’s largest mobile phone maker for more than a decade. And newer players like Finland’s Supercell and Rovio, creators of the ubiquitous video games Clash of Clans and Angry Birds, or Sweden’s Mojang, the publisher of the equally popular video game Minecraft, are changing the face of online gaming."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-nordic-countries/473385/
>>68122867
Sweden will be a third world country in 15 years.
Finland, Norway and Denmark will remain top-tier countries.
What could be the difference between them? I wonder...
>>68123073
>X will collapse any day now!
Literally like a commie talking about capitalism.
>>68122867
because it cant work in the states effectively
"I'm enjoying the irony of American Sanders supporters lecturing me, a former Soviet citizen, on the glories of Socialism and what it really means! Socialism sounds great in speech soundbites and on Facebook, but please keep it there. In practice, it corrodes not only the economy but the human spirit itself, and the ambition and achievement that made modern capitalism possible and brought billions of people out of poverty. Talking about Socialism is a huge luxury, a luxury that was paid for by the successes of capitalism. Income inequality is a huge problem, absolutely. But the idea that the solution is more government, more regulation, more debt, and less risk is dangerously absurd."
- Garry Kasparov
>>68122867
>captain america supporting a commie
fake nerds etc
>>68122867
>>68122867
>Not wanting the Comedian over Captain Cuck
Also can someone make a Trump montage with The Times are Changing by Bob Dylan playing over it?
>>68123278
I said nothing about collapse, you low-IQ g*rmanoid. Picture it more like a slow decay with all the institutions slowly becoming paralysed by inefficiency.
>>68122867
Are they sure that those countries aren't successful because of their Germanic genes? Swedish immigrants in the US are also very successful
>>68122867
Anyone else notice that most of the pro bernie illustrations incorporate comic books in some way?
Just shows that his supporters are basically the comic store guy from the simpsons.
America is not Sweden. It is much larger and would require giving the feds, even more power, which they already abuse.
Also your picture is a comical 4th grade attempt at explaining politics. Dis good, dis bad.
Also.
>Cap
>Backing a commie
>>68123430
This needs to happen. Start by showing the moral decay over the last 50 years, then show Trump.
>>68122867
Someone needs to edit that picture to put the Jewish Merchant in place of Captain America. There's nothing American about Bernie Sanders.
>>68123545
comic book guy actually knows his stuff though.
>>68123382
Steve Roger's parent's were socialists.
This is like the fifth "Explain why socialism/communism is bad" thread we've had in the past 12 hours.
>>68122867
>Why is socialism bad?
>cites almost all white countries that love guns
Because gun hating niggers ruin everything.
>>68122867
>save people a lot of money, time, and trouble
the middle class works 50%+ of their time to pay for these services.
>>68122867
Democratic socialism is fine; the big reason Bernie gets opposition on here isn't for his economic views (or even anything about the man himself), but because the socially parasitic culture that grows up around him. I'd vote for Bernie if it was just him because I actually do see income inequality as a huge problem for the US going forward, but I know a vote for Bernie is also a vote for a president who'll get off the stage and give up the mic for every loony "social revolutionary" who thinks they're hot shit and wants to enforce their borderline-autocratic pseudo-Leninist beliefs through fostering a culture of media-shaming those who oppose them.
>>68123828
I think you mean gun loving niggers.
>>68122867
>Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing pol-tards
Depends what is meant by "socialism". Sanders is not a Socialist he is a Social Reformist or Social Democrat which is very different.
Socialism = all banks and major corporations ("commanding heights of the economy") under public ownership.
Social Reformism = tinkering around the edges of capitalism to make it more acceptable to workers.
>>68123750
Is Steve also a socialist?
Because that's what matters here.
Those Nordic countries have lower buying power, and stale GDDP growth, despite all of that economic enterprise, precisely because of their taxation rate.
They're also not socialist, people seem to be quite retarded in this, they have a heavy welfare state but they're not socialist. Many of the things they DON'T do, Sanders wants to, like a stock on speculation and higher business and payroll taxes.
Not only that, but Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and people in Nordic countries mostly live a mediocre middle class lifestyle, No thanks. I don't want to have an equally shitty life as the person next to me so some useless faggot can get heavy welfare support
>>68123652
Fuck it once I get back from work I will do it. But it might suck since my media maker skills suck.
>>68122867
Because once the money's gone, it becomes a Communists country right after.
JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE MONEY DOSENT MEAN THEY WILL STAY AND GIB YOU IT ALL.
Capitalism needs Socialism tendecies.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Socialism drives away capitalist, because why live somewhere and work YOUR ASS OFF, while others don't?
>Just look after the refugees avoiding No Gibs country's
>9000 socialism is great threads per second
>not getting raided by ribbit
Any ideology can work when you're a culturally/racially homogenous white nation, there's an element of nationalism in those countries where it works. See most of EU for example of what happens under globalist socialism without nationalist/protectionist measures, protip: descent into communist nightmare
>>68122867
Because when the marxists take power and the leftists are killed when their job of causing dissent is finished, people will realize how horrible their egalitarian regime really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4&feature=youtu.be&t=4099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4&feature=youtu.be&t=4099
>>68122867
>based Comedian supporting trump
sounds about right
>Captain America supporting a socialist
doesnt sound right.
>>68123340
This. The US isn't a tiny little European nation state with 95% (except Sweden...) the same ethnicity and culture. Socialism works on a nationalist level where everybody is the same ethnic and cultural background. It doesn't work in the US because obvious reasons. We are full of ethnic trash and are too big. I don't care about the well being of people in California. They aren't my people
>>68123992
>it's not socialism I swear redistributing wealth using the state is something different
lol ok bro
>>68122867
Sucks that Norway has shit entrepreneurship, though. Oil flood killed motivation, I guess. I might have to move out in a couple years.
>>68122867
>Implying money can buy happiness.
Socialist claim money doesn't buy happiness then goes on why spreading the wealth will liberate man.
“At all events, the error and the illusion are the same both socio- economic ideologies, namely the serious assumption that existential misery can be reduced to suffering in one way or another from material want, and to impoverishment due to a given socio economic system. They assume that misery is greater among the disinherited or the proletariat than among those living prosperous or privileged economic conditions, and that it will consequently diminish with the "freedom from want" and the general advance the material conditions existence. The truth the matter is that the meaning existence can be lacking as much one group as the other, and that there is no correlation between material and spiritual misery. Only to the lowest and dullest levels of society can one preach the formula for all human happiness and wholeness as the well-named "animal ideal," a well-being that is little better than bovine” - Julius Evola
Isn't cap an old nazi in the new civil war comics?
>>68122867
I agree with this. Capitalism is jew #1 weapon but most retards around support it here. Then they call themselves "NatSOCIALIST"
>>68122867
Its great untill the sjw takes over. It used to be great here in sweden but then the hippie shit came.
>>68122867
Countries without our problems are able to have a higher standard of life. Surprise rate: Zero Percent.
Bernie Sanders wants to chase even more employers out of the country, reduce the number of people employed via minimum wage, give everyone free health care, and let in ridiculous numbers of illegals.
Why does the loony left think that Free Shit + Unlimited Hanger Ons works?
>>68123414
>Churchill BTFO in the 1945 election due to armed services vote.
>Attlee's Labour government create NHS
>>68124383
Culture wouldnt allow it either, too many people are geared for pro captialism and the idea that you can start from nothing and eventually become much bigger, the American Dream
>>68124383
I don't even know why people claim it still works even in a homogeneous environment. Sweden has a terrible GDP and almost no growth. They have little buying power and almost everyone lives the same meager existence as everyone else except for government officials and CEOs and executives of longstanding Swedish companies that existed long before Sweden became a heavy welfare state.
Every time a pro nordic model idiot speaks up, all they can do is talk about all the "free" stuff the nords get and not about how shit everything else is.
>>68124731
And the UK deteriorated from a world power to an annexation of pakistan
>>68122867
>Cpt America with Sanders
That't retarded. Cpt America would stand with Trump. Following law nad defending against illegal immigrants. Right next to Sanders would stand that lefty, commie scum Tony Stark.
As for Comedian, he's based.
>>68123430
I think we need the Comedian more than Captain America considering the recent chimpouts.
>>68122867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA
Watch Yuri
>>68123805
Shills are out in full fucking force, today.
Looking at frontpage:
>Military hates Trump
>Socialism is not bad
>George Soros is not bad
>Whites are goofy looking
>Latins are superior
>>68123750
yes but captain america fought commies
>>68122867
I'm leaving the US if 60% of my income is going to the federal government.
>>68122867
Finland is not remotely socialist.
Norway has almost a million dollars per citizen in oil money plus a very carefully regulated stream of labor at all levels.
Denmark relies on paying into the system, EXTREMELY low corporate taxes (much lower than us) and absurdly high external confidence. They're less socialist than us in economic matters.
Sweden is fucking collapsing.
>>68125119
>>Socialism is not bad
It is not bad you moron. Would you rather be in favor of a jew rich kikes like Soros instead of helping the poor? How fucking blindfolded are you?
>>68124409
>believes in socialism for huge banks and corporations through tax-payer bail-outs, tax breaks and lax laws on evasion/havens.
np, mate
>>68125278
What makes the poor special that I need to give them a percentage of my income? Poor people are poor in a first world country for a reason, none if it having to do with someone being richer than them and almost always because they don't want to get their shit together.
>>68125278
>Would you rather be in favor of a jew rich kikes like Soros instead of helping the poor?
Soros is literally the owner of MoveOn, who endorsed Hernie, and he's also in cahoots with Shillary, as per https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18433
Only retards who know nothing about macro economics support socialism and thus, a bigger government.
>>68125320
>having less money taken from you is socialism in reverse
How does the liberal mind operate without having an aneurysm?
>>68122867
They have a total of roughly 25million people, us has 318 million, tiny difference.
>>68125278
>socialism is not bad
>would you rather like george soros
god dammit you are retarded. but who was NWO agenda for eternal enslavement?
>>68122867
>Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing pol-tards
Marxism is an ideology that promotes and even provokes violence, especially towards groups that the Marxist perceives as bourgeois with their Marxist lens. Since western nations do not have different sets of laws for different demographics, these perceptions of theirs are almost always unfounded and not based in reality, but a hateful tall poppy syndrome.
Democratic socialism is okay, just not 10/10 economically, but Bernie literally has Marxist tendencies.
>>68125320
>implying the minorities, gays, socialists, liberals, and foreigners don't change peoples ways of life.
Look at Sweden you retard.
>>68125278
Also, FYI amnesty will further saturate the labour market, set a precedent, and his minimum wage increase will essentially destroy a bunch of companies, which will in turn lower wages (a more significant fraction of the people will be making minimum wage), increase unemployment, lower the GDP, lower investment, ad infinitum, in this order.
>>68125278
Socialism is bad for the american state due to how much power it would give to the already very powerful federal govt.
It would lead to totalitarianism.
Out-of-control capitalism has seeming led to what we now know as "crony capitalism". That seems to be what your referring to. It's definitely not as black and white as you are making it out to be.
>>68122867
someone fix Bernie with this.
>>68125612
Idiot, do you even know how capitalism works? Few big guys control everything, if those happen to be jews(and they are), you're fucked.
>>68125470
You're giving away a part of your income anyway, wether it's to a homeless person or a jew that swims in money, your call.
>>68124383
COuld you explain why a homogenous race is necessary ? Leftists bring this up in arguments all the time against me.
>>68125581
It doesn't operate.
>>68125858
>Could you explain why a homogenous race is necessary
Nobody can call out the leftists for being racist if there are no races left
>>68125720
Retards here wouldn't understand it. It's exactly what Hitler fought against. Big corporations and banks which happen to be ran by Jews. Then they come around at NatSOC
>>68125853
>do you even know how capitalism works?
thats not capitalism you fucking degenerate, that corporate fascism or plutocracy.
the rich will rule the world (plutocracy) and the very poor will live in socialism (gibsmedats from the state) to create total dependence to said plutocracy... nobody will ever revolt against that if they need the gibsmedats to survive.
>he thinks it´s only jews
>>68125858
>>68125858
>could someone explain
Socialism needs absolute social cohesion among the citizens to work effectively. Large amounts of minorities destroy that. (They ask for more gibs cuz they be oppressed n sheeit, affirmative action, racial agitation, ect.) It just causes more problems than a socialist state can deal with without lowering the standard of living for everyone. Thats essentially why.
>>68122867
Sanders should look at the actual numbers
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>68125041
He literally broke up a hippy single handly riot kek
>>68125320
>implying I'm right wing
Just correcting your definition. We can pretend like socialism causes no harm but we can't pretend that Bernie is not trying to implement socialist policies.
>>68125278
>socialism=helping the poor
No
>>68126195
So desu ne. Thanks senpai.
>>68126201
>Sanders should kill himself, along with his dumb commies.
FTFY.
You know, I've been reading this book recently and started collection quotes. Let me start, OP
"World socialism as a whole, and all the figures associate with it, are shrouded in legend; its contradictions are forgotten or concealed; it does not respond to arguments but continually ignores them -- all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds socialism and from its instinctive aversion to scientific analysis."
"The doctrines of socialism seethe with contradictions, its theories are at constant odds with its practice, yet due a powerful instinct -- these contradictions do not in the least hinder the unending propaganda of socialism. Indeed, no precise, distinct socialism even exists; instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach"
"Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identify, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity."
"It is hardly necessary to demonstrate that one of the basic forces influencing the developing crisis of mankind is socialism. It both promotes this crisis, as a force destroying the "old world", and undertakes to show a way out. Therefore the attempt to comprehend socialism -- its origins, its driving forces, the goal toward which it leads -- is dictated quite simply by the instinct for self-preservation. "
"The fact that the adherents of socialism themselves have expressed so many contradictory views ought to put us on guard. In addition, notions about the nature of socialism are as a rule strikingly vague, and yet they do not elicit doubt and are perceived as truth needing no verification. This is especially apparent in attempts to make critical evaluations of socialism. Pointing out the tragic facts that so frequently have accompanied the socialist experiments of the twentieth century usually evokes the objection that an idea cannot be judged by the unsuccessful attempts at its implementation. The task of rebuilding society is so immeasurably complicated, it is said, that in the initial stages errors are inevitable, they are, however, due to the shortcomings of certain individuals or the heritage of the past, in no sense do they follow from the fine principles enunciated by the founders of the doctrine. The fact that even in the earliest declarations of socialist doctrine there are schemes which in their cruelty far exceed an real system is dismissed as insignificant. It is argued that the determining factor is real life and hardly the constructions of theoreticians or the fantasy of utopian thinkers. Life, it is said, has its own laws. It will temper and smooth out the extremes of the fanatics and create a social structure which, even if it does not quite correspond to their original plans, will be at least viable, and in any case closer to perfection than that which now exists. "
>>68125320
>if you don't like Bernie you must like Trump
literally mental illness
>>68126885
book name?
>>68122867
One reason:
If your annual income in sweden is 60k, you'll get 30k to your bank account, rest is taken by the state.
>>68127638
https://archive.org/stream/SocialistPhenomenon
It's a very good one as it looks as socialism from a historical perspective with an analysis in the third part. I haven't it finished yet
>The Comedian knew how things actually worked and had a realistic view of the world, predicted Ozymandias's shit before anyone else, and despite seeing the worst of the nation was still a patriot to the end
>Captain America is an idealistic piece of shit who is completely out of date with the world and causes more problems than anything else, routinely has to have Iron Manlet do all the work for him, has his patriotism shaken heavily by some old Nazi just taking the piss
Roll
>>68129008
limp biscuit
>>68122867
>Trump with The Comedian
I like it.
>>68122867
>Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing pol-tards
Two main reasons.
1. Prices
It is impossible to find actual prices under a Socialist economy. The natural equilibrium of the market economy is thrown out of wack, and under the whim of bueracrats who use subjective values (i.e. "A loaf of bread should never be more than $0.50!") to determine actual prices. Price controls introduce inefficiencies in the market system, that can produce black markets (spawning a underclass/criminal element to society that did not previously exist) as well as massive shortages or price increases.
2. System of violence
Socialism is a system that is ultimately founded on violence. Capitalism exists as a place of voluntary exchange for mutual benefit; however subversions of the market system do happen (theft, murder, extortion, etc) but they are rightly considered subversions that much be rectified. Meanwhile, Socialism is based on the idea that you have no absolute property rights and that people can not OR should not be able to agree to voluntary exchanges for (what they perceive as) mutual benefit, because ultimately someone is being "exploited"; thus the state must "watch out" for the people by limiting their natural rights and treating them as child or dependents. This, of course, is enforced in Socialism under the threat of violence or coercion.
For example, say Bob wishes to work for 6$ an hour (at that price he can work full time, instead of part time) at say McDonald's, and the owner agrees, then they have a deal... however under Socialism it is assumed that Bob is not mentally competent ("he is being exploited at that price!") and thus the state, using the threat of violence (ie. criminal charges, jail time) and coercion (ie. fines) make the man work for $8 an hour... for only 20 hours a week, because McDonalds now has a much higher demand for labor but a much smaller supply of labor, increasing unemployment/underemployment.
>>68129130
>israhell
Fuck
Atleast Ted Cruz is my puppet
>>68129008
rollin'
>>68129008
ples
>>68122867
>implying Sanders is Socialism and not Social equality Democracy
Socialism didn't had people electing leaders.
>muh nordic socialism
NORDIC STATES ARE FULL OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO WORK AND SUPPORT THE SYSTEM
SOCIALISM WORKS WHEN YOU DON'T PROMOTE A WELFARE STATE
>>68122867
I thought Scandinavia was so successful because they are all blond hair blue eyed.
>>68127831
Sweden is monarchy and yes monarchy always taken from people.
>>68122867
Look at south america and north korea and see why. no socialist governemnt ever succeded in history.
>>68122867
>i know, lets force the countries money makers at gunpoint to pay for lazy shits who do nothing but push out kids all day, surely theyll never leave and take all their jobs and skills with them
>>68122867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuj_kGisC_U
>>68123484
It's already happened here in the UK. Average wait for a doctors apointment is over 3 weeks, every hospital is failing to meet targets due to overpopulation and not enough staff, standards are in the toilet to try and get people though faster and they're still failing hard.
Sweden just hasn't hit the bar yet, but they'll be there very soon. At least here we've got neocons willing to gut the benefits to save the budget, where Sweden is run by literal communists
>>68129171
My brain says yes but my emotions say FELL THE BERN
>>68129357
Libya under Qaddafi did. Canada under Tommy Douglas, America under Eisenhower. All socialist sucess.
>>68129008
pls release me from this burden
>>68129357
>Latin America has Socialism
Actually they have Christian leaders and are all republics, just like USA.
>>68125320
>Actually being a socialist in Britain
Socialism has destroyed this country and I'm disgusted every day that people keep voting for more of it
>>68129578
You're disgusting. Socialism worked in Canada under Tommy, it worked in American under Eisenhower, it worked in Libya under Gaddafi.
>>68129470
>FELL THE BERN
>>68129008
bleh
>>68129518
Socialism doesn't exactly means authoritharianism, anon. we live in a socialist republic here in brazil, unfortunetly.
>>68129650
And it's completely destroyed Britain under Callaghan, Blair and Brown
Canada is crumbling as we are, your dollar is worth, what 50 pence?
>>68123358
He follows that up with this gem:
>Yes, please take Scandinavia as an example! Implementing some socialistic elements AFTER becoming a wealthy capitalist economy only works as long as you don't choke off what made you wealthy to begin with in the process. Again, it's a luxury item that shouldn't be confused with what is really doing the work, as many do. And do not forget that nearly all of the countless 20th-century innovations and industries that made the rest of the developed world so efficient and comfortable came from America, and it wasn't a coincidence. As long as Europe had America taking risks, investing ambitiously, and yes, being "inequal," it had the luxury of benefiting from the results without making the same sacrifices. Who will be America's America?
>>68129840
It's crumbling yes but it was prosperous in the 50s when we had socialism. We had a Bernie like guy Tommy Douglas who wrote many Marxist reports in University. He used national socialism (socialism + Nationalism) to further industrialize Canada. It worked.
It's a bad thing because it's dependent on the culture providing for it. We don't have a culture, but instead a multiculture. Multiculturalism doesn't work unless every culture in that multiculture is successful, and in our country, that's just not the case. We have worthless niggers and Mexicans. It was working in Europe until all the socialist countries started having to provide for niggers and Muslims.
Nazi Germany was the last place socialism truly worked.
>>68122867
socialism isn't a bad thing you cuck
>>68122867
Because socialism has killed over one hundred million people in the last century alone
>>68130043
I don't think NAZIS are a good example. It made them rich but at the suspense of anyone who wasn't blond hair blue eyed. Nazi Germany was only good if you had blond hair blue eyes, everyone else was treated like dirt.
>>68123953
Sorry, people don't deserve equal incomes. Go fuck yourself.
>>68129794
>Socialism doesn't exactly means authoritharianism
Since when is North Korea not authoritharianism?
>socialist republic here in brazil,
You live in fantasy Jesus dumbass land of retard heaven. But you actually are democratic republic, with same laws than USA, with open borders like USA.
Labour party didn't run near Socialism, neither did democracy.
You first need to learn the difference between laws(system) and politicians(political parties)
There are more than 10 laws you know that need to be changed for system to change under government and for each you need to vote, which takes years.
Socialism only happens through Communistic party and seizing every inch of land. So far Brazil is totally owned by foreigners. Your government has no power over your industry or land.
>>68129998
Yeah, it worked in the 50s.
It's not the 50s though, and socialist policies now only benefit the scum at the bottom. There are people here who have NEVER worked. You can get all your rent paid for, no tax, and £200 a fortnight on jobseekers doing literally nothing.
Why should I support a system that directly punishes me while rewarding the chronically lazy? For hospitals that are free, but give you MRSA? For roads that are free but so poorly maintained I've blown 2 tyres in the last 3 months? For free public services like bin lorries that never show up, or public pools that are never cleaned?
Fuck socialism, it's a plague on my country.
>>68122867
>Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing pol-tards
not enough money, more than enough leeches
>>68130211
Sounds like you need a history lesson.
>>68123278
UN projected Sweden's HDI to be below Libya's by 2030.
>>68130269
That's not true. Under Tommy Douglas everyone benefitted because he had the government print massive amounts of money and invest it in infrastructure. It didn't cause inflation because the new money was matched with wealth. It benefited everyone.
The reason socialism in UK doesn't work is because it's a welfare state rather than Nationalism.
Captain America looks like he is sneaking up on sanders to break is old fragile neck
>>68130301
The Iron Lady said it best
I love image btw, it's succinctly BTFOs most socialist arguments
Maybe look at all the countries that implemented socialism and failed massively?
>>68130341
I've been on neo-nazi websites like stormfront and pol. Anytime there is a picture of someone without blond hair blue eyes people post
>lol not white
>not aryan
>disgusting
>>68130211
it wasn't about blonde haired blue eyed supremacy it was about having pride in the german people, i think even the most asshole jewish historian would agree with me on that
you've been lied too and should probably lurk moar
>Cap supporting bigger gov
Kek
>>68130435
The reason socialism doesn't work here is because no one is doing anything. It's a service economy. There's no wealth being generated, it's just being endlessly shuffled around in a pointless attempt to make everyone "equal".
For example, I'm a frycook. I don't make all that much money (~£15,000 per annum) of which around £1500 goes to the state. That's £1500 that goes to Muhammad Bin Bomber in London so he can sit on his arse and watch TV while I fry chips.
Perhaps socialism could work, but now here without a purge of the scum
>>68130573
Then why in mein kampf does Hitler talk so much about the superiority of blond hair blue eyes?
>>68123073
It already is
>>68123278
January 1st, 2016
>>68130693
Well true. Canada at the time was mainly European immigrants who came to work.
>>68130452
>people's money
There is no people's money in Socialism, it's all owned by government, you get paid by working for government and government sells you apartments for very low prices, you pay half or less expenses. What Iron retard lady is talking about is capitalism. Taxes are the highest in capitalism.
>>68123953
>Democratic Socialism is fine...
Okay. Now explain what Democratic Socialism is.
>>68129840
>Blair and Brown = socialists
>being this deluded
They were trojan horse Thatcherites. Literally no difference in economic policy and the 2008 international economic crash would have happened no matter which party was in power.
>>68122867
This is an insult to Captain America
>>68130985
>thinks they weren't socialist
TOP KEKEKEKEKE
>>68130711
you obviously haven't read mein kampf, but i have and i can tell you it doesn't, it's mostly just hitler's autobiography and his analysis of the causes and effects of WWI, he takes pride in the german race not just blonde haired blue eyed people
>>68130550
That's because most "neo-nazis" don't know what the fuck Nazis even stood for. They never had to die for their beliefs like the actual Nazis did.
Firstly, there were black Nazis too. The entire Aryan thing was literally German propaganda; it really was never like that. Germans were for Germans, and some people did immigrate to chase that future. The German Dream was way better than the American Dream.
Secondly, they didn't acquire their wealth by taking advantage of slave labor like you seem to think. They acquired that wealth by being self-sufficient, not letting Jews run their banks anymore, and when Jewish influence put trade embargoes on literally every single fucking country around them, they responded by successfully implementing a barter system. They stopped backing their currency with gold and instead the government owned a little piece of every work done, called "labor units", which is something we could learn from them since we trust our almighty dollar with the Jewish Federal Reserve.
The reason the war even happened to begin with is because outside forces didn't like that Germans were becoming self-sufficient as a country *without* Jews. So, yes, Germany really is the last place socialism worked. It didn't maintain a population's wealth, it created it from basically nothing.
>>68131089
Then why does everyone say Hitler hated all non-blond hair blue eyed people.
>>68123358
The funny thing is that millions of Russians are nostalgic for the old days. Not only that, but Marx specifically said that socialism and communism can only come after capitalism and industrial technology has initiated development.
>>68131144
>literally German propaganda
Oops. Dropping in an asterix: Jewish propaganda*
>>68130817
Exactly, socialism only works when the vast majority of the population is hard working people that pay their taxes.
When even 10% go on welfare, the whole thing comes crashing down as you need to keep raising taxes to pay the underclass, which puts more people out of work, which makes the underclass larger, which necessitates higher taxes etc etc etc
>>68130844
I would think a former communist would see the problem with that. Your "apartment" is built by the state, using the cheapest tools, with the cheapest materials by the cheapest workers to the lowest standards. Here in the 60s we had a problem of socialist housing flats literally collapsing under their own weight due to being built so poorly.
In capitalism, you make a quality product so people buy it. In socialism you don't bother, since they people don't have a choice anyway
>>68130985
>Tony "replace the whites with browns on welfare" Brown
>Not a socialist scumbag with an admitted plan to replace the underclass with permanently unemployed benefit addicts
>>68125026
Churchill started that, not Attlee.
>>68123489
Sweden and Norway were among the poorest countries in Europe before modernization.
>>68131164
because most people haven't read mein kampf and form their opinions from WWII propaganda
>>68130711
This guy...
Socialism is great when your country is full of whites and asians with strong communities. Otherwise, it's just gibsmedat for women and darkies. They'll repeat their Robin Hood mantras to win everyone over... But then when it comes time to hand out benefits, the hardworking men get nothing but raised taxes while the leeches receive more free shit.
>>68131144
It worked in Canada, Libya, America in the 50s, so you're wrong.
>>68123073
No we won't.
>>68122867
Because of this:
>An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
>After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little ...
>The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or succeed.
>>68129578
>bitches about socialism
>doesn't have to pay shit for healthcare
>doesn't have to pay shit for college
gtfo
fucking yuros
>Ikea
>H&M
>Spotify
>Volvo
>Lego
>Carlsberg
>Novo Nordisk
Some low quality stuff in there, specifically Ikea and Spotify. But whatever, fine.
>Linux attributed only to Linus
No, sorry. That's based on decades of work from an American company (Bell Labs), and was nowhere near a feature complete clone of the Unix kernel until he had help from developers worldwide (mainly in the US, however).
>Skype
Insecure, trash VoIP/chat client until it was bought by Microsoft. Now, a slightly less trash client and still largely insecure platform for communication.
>Supercell
>Rovia
Casual shovelwar producers that have yet to make anything that is an artistic or technical accomplishment of any kind whatsoever. Their success is only due to being in the right place at the right time.
>Mojang
>Minecraft
Literally took the leaked/later open sourced codebase of Infiniminer (a solo project by a single AMERICAN programmer/developer), rewrote it poorly in another programming language, and then took credit for the idea in its entirety. Took years of development to even remotely resemble a feature rich product, and it wasn't until the thief himself cashed out to Microsoft that the game really began high tempo development with high frequency quality contributions (previous to this, it was Jeb holding the entire company on his shoulders).
These business, brands, ideas, whatever else, have nothing to do with the virtues of socialism. If anything, it only reinforces the stereotypes of olde to do with the pompousness of Scandinavians and the echo chamber of group think they've created in their somewhat isolated part of the world that points each mind in the hive to a sense infallibility and "superiority". When in reality, they're simply poorly re-implementing the ideas of others (US, Germany, England, etc) or developing sub par "good enough" solutions to meet demand and packaging them as "innovative".
No single country can match the US in innovation outside of England. Period.
>>68131499
I have private health insurance burger, the NHS is absolutely awful in every way.
I also didn't go to college, I didn't see the point. I don't benefit from socialism in any way, except perhaps the roads I paid for in taxes that frequently cause accidents due to being so poorly maintained.
>>68122867
i made a thread about this about an hour ago. there are too many people willing to abuse such a system so it would never work. some anon pointed out hippie housing under socialism always falls apart. ur a faget op
>>68131379
No, it didn't. The countries you list were nowhere even close to German proportions of success in the Nazi era when it comes to socialism.
Say for the sake of argument you're right though. Both the USA and Canada had a vast majority oooof? White people. Rap music wasn't a thing and blacks were mostly republican, mostly stayed together as families rather than reproducing nonsensically, etc.
I won't argue about Libya since I don't know enough about it, but it sounds like their country suffered the same fate as literally every other African country that was nearing success: niggers were nigging too much.
>>68131499
>american
my god, it has begun
>>68131660
>could go to college for peanuts
>"didn't see the point"
do you work at nandos or something?
>>68124079
Suicides are common in Scandinavia because of geographic reasons like cold climate, short summers, and long periods of darkness. In countries like Finland this is exacerbated by and in turn exacerbates things like alcohol abuse and social isolation. Despite the fact that the United States has a climatic and geographic advantage in most areas, mental illness and suicide are definitely problematic. Financial issues are, believe it or not, one of the controbuting factors to suicides in this country.
>Red blooded Captain America stands with a communist pig
not a fucking chance
>>68131264
>using the cheapest tools, with the cheapest materials
While they are still standing for decades and Las shit Vegas needs to demolish building every decade and rebuild them. Not to mention gas explosions that don't shaken up Socialistic blocks to collapse and then we have 1 airplane and demolishes whole WTC. Give me a break, things in Socialism were made to last. You buy antenna or anything electronic and has very thin wires and gets fucked easily. Look at Hitler's car, those beetle cars totally had different ignition, they could ignite in winter and not overheat or needed repairs all the time. Cars made during democracy have more luxury, while Socialistic cars had limited luxury and were build to last like all things in Socialism. Quality control is almost non-existent in capitalism, they sell infected food whenever they can, they will screw you over whenever they can, in Socialism it was controlled very throughly. We have 2 inspectors for food in Slovenia now, they fired all of them and now only EU's few control things, you see rotten fruit or old cheese on shelves, they re-heat old milk couple of time to make it last long. Further away we go into EU, less lasting electronic and cars became.
>>68131797
America and Canada in the 50s had a higher quality of life than Germans under the Nazi Government
Also the reason Libya fell was because America went to war with it.
>>68131982
>Quality control is almost non-existent in capitalism
fortunately neither is quantity control, not something that could be said for commies
>>68124325
>Seniour citizen who just woke up from a 50 year nap.
>QUICK CAP WE NEED YOU, GO STAND ON STAGE NEXT TO THIS JEWISH MUMMY, ITS JUST LIKE A USO SHOW WE SWEAR.
Seems about right
>>68132006
Maybe so, but they didn't rise from -nothing- like the German government did. Our quality of life didn't just magically rise with socialism, it was already there beforehand and socialism was just keeping us afloat.
Germans had to rise from a position where a wheelbarrow full of billion-mark notes couldn't buy a loaf of bread, and their quality of life could have easily rivaled the States.
>>68125470
Tell that to alcoholics on Indian reservations or to single parents working overtime because their spouse left them.
>>68132214
Canada before 1950 was pretty shitty. It was probably like Russia under the Tsar.
>>68123073
Conservatives have been saying that for the last 20 years. It's just like Christians and the apocalypse.
>Oh, we're living in end times!!!
>mfw they've been saying that since revelations was written.
>>68126846
>le ad hominem
>>68131803
>do you work at nandos or something?
Family owned restaurant, and I'm poor as shit. Should I have gone to college? Probably, and I might still go, but I hate the state taking care of me.
>>68131982
The EU is socialist as fuck, it just sounds like slovenia is retarded. Cars built under socialist countries are built to last, only because they never need to be replaced. There's no innovation, no risk, no reward. Why innovate when Ivan the potato peeler gets the same wage as Ivan the rocket scientist?
> Quality control is almost non-existent in capitalism
Good lord no, you make a shit product, people won't buy it. I get a shit kebab, I'm not going back to the same kebab joint. You get a shit broth from the State Broth Supply Store? Too fucking bad, you're stuck with it. Ivan the Broth Master was shot for selling black market broth
Also, the greatest of socialist cars, the Lada, is a Fiat. Made in Italy, by capitalists looking to make a profit. And Ladas are famously poor in quality control.
>>68132258
>Alcoholics
Self inflicted vice
>Single parents
See above, if you have a child, you better have a steady relationship with your spouse. Not a "hey I've only known you for 3 weeks but I'm pregnant we should get married so our kid isn't a bastard"
>>68129171
Hey look an actual intelligent reply.
But what about systems like market socialism, decentralized socialism, or workers' self-management?
>>68132307
Once again, Canada was populated with what? White people. Socialism works under white people because white cultures tend to be successful. Now you've got Muslims coming in in like a horde of Lord of the Rings orcs. Wait about 5 years until that 325k number reaches the millions and then try socialism again. I dare you.
>>68129357
Latin America is plagued by many issues, but socialism isn't really one of them. North Korea has almost always been run by Juche, which isn't socialism.
>>68132588
Then why didn't it work with Russia? Also Canada was never a white country like America. We had many Chinese, Italian, Slavic, and Indians before the 50s.
>>68132149
Capitalism is all about selling the most with cheapest material possible, to maximize profit, to force people into buying same shit over and over again. Same mentality exists for marriages too, so divorces are promoted and different sexual preferences are desired for maximum shrink, market, money turnaround action. In capitalism you never feel relaxed since you always chase after next upgrade or improvement you need to have to survive, always some terrorist threats, never safe in marriage, always sexually confused so you maximize profit for church through marriages, divorces, different mental health programs and spiritual experiences, which all costs money and sells.
Socialism is about making things last for long with highest quality material possible, marriages lasted for long, so did jobs and security.
>>68129650
I guess it worked for a while in Yugoslavia too, until Tito died.
>>68132742
>Then why didn't it work with Russia?
Because there were no hard working taxpayers to supply all the money needed. They took a country of peasants and lords, shot the lords and expected to magically makes all the peasants lords to compensate.
>>68122867
>Remind me again why socialism is a bad thing
Because fuck you and fuck your bills, faggot.
>>68122867
National socialism good, socialism bad
>>68132860
The people of Russia were very hard working. Also why couldn't they take the lords money and use it to pay the peasants to work?
>>68130185
Robert Conquest pls go
>>68130357
So we can already tell what a load of shit that projecting was can't we?
>>68132370
>EU is Socialist
>we ended Socialism to enter EU
pick one
Democracy fights for equality, so does Socialism, but they do it very differently.
>>68132932
So socialism good, socialism bad?
>>68133012
>Slovenia
>ended socialism
Pick one.
>>68130452
the problem with capitalism is that you eventually run out of snarky slogans that don't mean anything.
>>68133088
What is Yugoslavian split?
>>68132936
>The people of Russia were very hard working.
I don't doubt it, just a shame about the fact less than 10% could read or write at the time of the revolution. That changed quickly, but only so they could read the propaganda posters.
>Also why couldn't they take the lords money and use it to pay the peasants to work?
Yes, why couldn't they take the money of 10,000 people and use it to feed 100,000,000?
>>68133012
Capitalism seeks to raise everyone up (so they have more money to spend)
Socialism seeks to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
>>68133177
When a socialist country split into other socialist countries.
>>68122867
>Sanders and captain America
>implying captain America, a staunchly Christian and far right man would associate with a far left, atheist socialist
>>68133177
A mistake
>>68133172
>Live in the greatest country in the world, built by capitalists
>Complain about capitalism
>>68133177
A communist country, splitting into a lot of smaller socialist countries, some of which later joined the EUSSR
>>68131439
Ebin false equivalency.
Bonus ebin for pasta.
>>68133246
>a staunchly Christian and far right man
When was the last time you read an captain America comic?
>with a far left, atheist socialist
Sanders is Jewish
>>68133194
>Yes, why couldn't they take the money of 10,000 people and use it to feed 100,000,000?
They could print more money, enough so each person could have 10000 dollars. Keep it in the Russian Reserve, spend it as GDP goes up to prevent inflation. That would work.
>Capitalism seeks to raise everyone up (so they have more money to spend)
Except under true capitalism there is a limited amount of currency, as businesses become richer they take up more currency leaving the poor people to have less currency. That creates wealth divide.
>>68133194
>Capitalism seeks to raise everyone up (so they have more money to spend)
Which is why you always loot Arabs, Africans and Asians whenever you can and not a minute goes by when you are not in couple of foreign territories waging war.
How many homeless do you have on your streets? Doesn't seems to me like those capitalistic credits for money maximization done them any good, they were kicked out on the cold.
>>68133308
The reason America is great is because of FDR and Eisenhower's socialist programs.
>>68133353
>smaller capitalistic countries
You must be some special retard if you think church people who protested and formed first political parties then gone and re-created Socialism. What they actually did is sell industry to foreigners and voted for entrance into EU to be even more foreign dependent so they can get more church benefits and cheap workers for their foreign owned companies.
>>68133426
>loot Arabs, Africans and Asians whenever you can and not a minute goes by when you are not in couple of foreign territories waging war.
You do realize the West doesn't loot the countries it invades, if we did why does the war always add more to the Debt then we get back?
>>68132502
>alcoholics shouldn't recieve help
Enjoy your public health collapse.
>implying single parents got in their situation through stupidity/shotgun weddings
>>68133396
>They could print more money, enough so each person could have 10000 dollars. Keep it in the Russian Reserve, spend it as GDP goes up to prevent inflation. That would work.
Run the presses Ivan, just hand out money in the street. People will work hard because we tell them to, even if we just hand them money for doing nothing.
>>68133396
>Except under true capitalism there is a limited amount of currency, as businesses become richer they take up more currency leaving the poor people to have less currency. That creates wealth divide.
Under true capitalism you're constantly expanding your market, constantly hiring more workers, constantly improving everything to outdo your competitors.
>>68133426
>Which is why you always loot Arabs, Africans and Asians whenever you can and not a minute goes by when you are not in couple of foreign territories waging war.
Gotta keep the gears of the military industrial complex oiled
>>68133426
>How many homeless do you have on your streets?
Zero, not a single person is actually homeless in the UK unless they directly choose to be. Because socialism gives anyone that asks a shitty flat. Why should I get a job when I can get a rent free, tax free tax for doing nothing?
>>68122867
because once everyone who works watches lazy fucks who don't live the high life while they slave away all day to pay for it, those workers will then say fuck this shit and they lose all ambition as well and be taken care of on the dole. Eventually no one wants to work or have any ambition at all as there is no reward for hard work anymore and everything goes to shit or tyranny slips right in
>>68133705
No, it's Stalin from grave with his Jewish companions who loot them, just after he gassed 50 million Jews. Come on now, Anglo armies are paid hit jobs, all mercenary. Not a single Anglo soldier goes to war against his will, they literally earning money to loot foreign countries.
>>68133308
The U.S. relies on state input to a large degree.
>>68131144
>They never had to die for their beliefs like the actual Nazis did.
>Hitler sacrifices his entire nation to protect himself from Russian vengeance because his pride wouldn't allow surrender to the Western Allies
>Forces children and old men to fight in the streets of Berlin to protect his bunker for just a few more hours
>An heroes rather than go down fighting
>Rest of the Nazi elite either flees into the protection of the Western Allies, plays follow the leader or tries to run and hide.
Yeah, actual Nazis, real heroes.
It's telling that the greatest warrior of the Third Reich wasn't a Nazi.
>>68133839
>people choose to be homeless
Of course, like you chosen to be sperm deposit for Arabs.
So much about maximization of money and British culture.
>>68133839
>Run the presses Ivan, just hand out money in the street. People will work hard because we tell them to, even if we just hand them money for doing nothing.
Are you stupid? That's a terrible idea. Only give them money if they work, or if they're disabled. For every hour of work give them money, if they aren't productive dock their pay.
>Under true capitalism you're constantly expanding your market, constantly hiring more workers, constantly improving everything to outdo your competitors.
And what's the goal? To get more money. Except there's a limited amount of money. A business only hires workers if they think the money they are paying them will be lower than the amount of money that worker will bring into the company.
>>68122867
>Based Comedian supports Trump
At least you got that right
>>68133923
How does looting foreign countries earn money? That cost America 2 Trillion Dollars.
>>68122867
>made mineshit
>A GOOD THING
>>68134124
The biggest employer in the world is the church, second biggest is NSA.
They join army for money, it's a job, nobody gets called in from civilian population. USA sells weapons to whole world, good and bad guys, but we yet to know who are the good ones, since Taliban are now good goys and ISIS is bad now, whatever suits the army market.
>>68133980
Only thanks to mounting public spending, largely in the form of medicare.
>>68134034
In the UK, yes they do. If you get kicked out on the street, go to your local council office and you'll be in a shelter withing 24 hours, and have a flat within a month.
>Of course, like you chosen to be sperm deposit for Arabs.
Yep, sluts gonna slut it up. Heavily promoted by the state as well. Gotta have stupid benefit addicts to vote for more bennies
>>68134055
>Are you stupid? That's a terrible idea. Only give them money if they work, or if they're disabled. For every hour of work give them money, if they aren't productive dock their pay.
That's not very socialist now is it? Sounds almost capitalistic to me. Paying people based on their performance and all.
>Except there's a limited amount of money.
Not if you keep expanding the market. Run out of people on earth to sell to? Colonize the moon, make a moon holiday, get people to spend money they otherwise wouldn't.
Head out into space, find intelligent life, sell them jeans. Capitalism ho!
>>68122867
100+ years of utter failure is enough for non-mongoloids.
Kill yourself.
WWJD? Tax and spend your way to a fairer America.
>>68134308
That doesn't benefit America. That costs America because we have to spend so much on the military.
>>68134393
>That's not very socialist now is it? Sounds almost capitalistic to me. Paying people based on their performance and all.
No because it's run by the government. Socialists don't want to give free shit to people who don't work
>Not if you keep expanding the market. Run out of people on earth to sell to? Colonize the moon, make a moon holiday, get people to spend money they otherwise wouldn't
Colonizing the moon won't make more money magically appear. In fact it will be worse because more wealth will enter the market with the same amount of currency causing deflation.
>>68134393
Typical English or American guy:
When he can get easy vagina he will grab his chance no matter what race or nationality.
Same could be said by when Anglo smells money.
So no matter how you turn things, you are doomed to destroy yourself and everybody else that comes in contact with you. As bare minimum to be nationalistic you have to breed with your own white race and that isn't some KKK's defined unified white race. Germanic people aren't Anglo people, even if they both are white. So much about this stupid neo-nazi shitheads.
>>68134599
>Socialists don't want to give free shit to people who don't work
That's literally how it works in the UK
>Colonizing the moon won't make more money magically appear
Yes it will, more resources = more money. You keep running the presses and more value enters the system.
>>68123750
No wonder he was in such poor health. His parents thought that they should spread their benefits to others before their own son.
>>68132994
So how low will it go?
It's because during their rise they were homogenous and white.
With socialism/communism comes liberalism and modern liberalism means xenophobia which means that now instead of one homogenous group of people who all want each other to be successful (which is the ONLY way socialism can work. See natsoc germany) you now have a bunch of gibs looking to milk the system, which puts them on a finite timelines towards catastrophic meltdown.
>>68133246
>Jesus' teachings did not bear socialist tenets
Looks like someone gets to read a certain book (for the first time)~
>>68134857
>That's literally how it works in the UK
Well UK is run by either idiots or Soros puppets.
>Yes it will, more resources = more money. You keep running the presses and more value enters the system.
How does more resources equal more money? Under true free market Capitalism there is a limited amount of currency, perhaps based on gold. Colonizing the moon won't make more gold appear.
>>68135108
Bible is very capitalist. Jesus said it was someones choice to donate money.
>>68135134
>Well UK is run by either idiots or Soros puppets.
Both, and I've been saying so all thread. So is your government, and most others in the west.
>>68135134
>Under true free market Capitalism there is a limited amount of currency, perhaps based on gold. Colonizing the moon won't make more gold appear.
There could be as much as 100x the density of gold in the moon as earth's richest gold mines. Colonizing the moon would almost certainly add money to the system.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/world/2014/03/17/mining-the-moon-the-21st-century-gold-rush.html
>>68128827
The funniest thing about that is that Ozymandias, the man painted is the paragon and charitable savior, was a totalitarian and schemer who wanted a way to obtain control of the world so he could shift it in the direction he wanted.
The Comedian, despite being painted as an evil man, was a representation of the true nature of humanity and it's ability to produce good things even under the most shitty conditions. He also represented the concept of free will
>>68133042
National socialism implies value of community and loyalty to the idea of 'participation of all for the betterment of all'. There is a social interrelationship married to the economic ideology.
>>68128827
>completely out of date with the world
>despite him being right in TWS and in Civil War
>>68135356
And what if we don't find any gold in the moon? Then the economy would crash because their wouldn't be enough currency. It would all be absorbed by the rich because they run businesses that take in more money then they give out.
>>68135198
And it should be, if I feel like helping someone I might. But if I'm forced to through taxes or whatever, I'm going to resent it. Like I already do.
>>68135502
>And what if we don't find any gold in the moon?
Statistical impossibility, but assuming we don't then you move to a double standard with gold and silver, returning to a gold standard as you mine Mars or elsewhere.
>>68135198
You dumb nigga. Jesus got most of his beliefs from his time in a commune. Roman/Jewish society at the time was all about might makes right, wealth brings happiness and the slaves/poor are only meant to serve.
He flipped the whole paradigm in the Middle East on its head by telling followers that even they may not be wealthy in this world they will receive their reward from God (providing they were good). He preached to share with one another because it made the community stronger, which in turn brings struggling members from suffering.
Jesus would be a communist if he were alive today.
>>68135520
Capitalism works great on paper. But in the real world you need socialism to prevent it from destroying itself.
>>68135585
Red Herran. There could be many other reasons we don't find any gold. Perhaps it will be 100 years before we colonize the moon.
My point is with capitalism there is limited currency that will eventually all be absorbed by the rich.
>>68132529
>But what about systems like market socialism, decentralized socialism, or workers' self-management?
Same problems as I mentioned above.
All variants of Socialism, no matter how "reformed", still involve some sort of force or coercion.
Now, that doesn't mean there can't be communes or communal living or Co-ops or workers sharing their own factory under capitalism; these things are all allowed and will likely exist organically. HOWEVER, when these arrangements become non-voluntary (ie. a commune forces a farmer at gunpoint in their group to give up his grain that wants to keep for himself) then they become subversion of the market, and it becomes a criminal matter.
Thats the thing about capitalism; its promises endless freedom. The very things that many Socialists go on and on about, such as worker communes or Co-op factories, are completely allowed under capitalism so long as it's a voluntary contract among consenting adults. Unfortunately, most Socialists don't want "consent" or "the freedom to chose", they want to impose their view of how the world should work on everyone by the point of gun, for their "greater good".
For example, there were (and still are) tens of thousands of communes and Co-ops in the United States; there were zero free trade areas in the Soviet Union.
>>68135385
What I get from this picture is that Trump represents reality, and Sanders represents cartoon sugar-coated fantasy.
>>68135689
You're really stupid
>>68135760
>>68135760
>Capitalism works great on paper. But in the real world you need socialism to prevent it from destroying itself
Socialism works great on paper. But in the real world you need capitalism to fund it all before it just collapses in upon itself. Capitalism can exist alone, socialism cannot.
>My point is with capitalism there is limited currency that will eventually all be absorbed by the rich.
The rich will continue to reinvest money to gain more, it's a never ending circle.
>>68122867
>Hey /pol/, explain why its wrong for me to take other peoples money and give it to people who didn't earn it
>>68135964
>Socialism works great on paper. But in the real world you need capitalism to fund it all before it just collapses in upon itself. Capitalism can exist alone, socialism cannot.
Name one time pure capitalism ever worked.
>The rich will continue to reinvest money to gain more, it's a never ending circle.
The reinvet their money to get more afterwards. That will create a system where people are forever in debt to the rich.
>>68134913
Are you sincerely this stupid or are you just pretending?
>>68136142
Tell us Sweden how low will your HDI be by 2030.
>>68136068
>Name one time pure capitalism ever worked.
Name one that ever existed
>>68136068
>The reinvet their money to get more afterwards. That will create a system where people are forever in debt to the rich.
You mean like right now? In a world full of socialists, we're all chained to the state. In a world of capitalists, those that have the will can break the chains. The rich are not eternal nor all knowing. They make mistakes, money reenters the system and the system keeps flowing
>>68122867
95% of those brands were founded before the Nordic countries implemented their socialist nanny states. The end.
>>68129008
inb4 turkroach
>>68135198
I want you to read:
Matthew 25:31 thru 46
Acts 4:32 thru 37 (Acts 2:44,45 just repeats this)
Luke 14:13,14
And blind worship of capitalism; don't you understand why the greedy Jew is /pol/'s most-circulated meme?
You will certainly know the scripture of the camel going through the eye of the needle, and probably "You cannot serve both God and money." Christ often told very simple truths, and lived of simple means; the single-minded pursuit of wealth is a door to tyrannical oligarchy at the sacrifice of all men, who are our brothers; He would never have considered establishing castes or dynasties to hold the populace down for the purpose of consolidating perverse quantities of unnecessary (and largely useless) excess while people of lesser means scrabble in vain for any means of betterment.
>>68132787
No surprise that your country sucks, you don't even understand basic economics.
>>68136216
>Name one that ever existed
True it never technically existed. But the closer a system is to pure capitalism the poorer the people are. Like Tsar Russia, Capitalist America before the Federal Reserve, Canada before the 50s.
>You mean like right now? In a world full of socialists, we're all chained to the state. In a world of capitalists, those that have the will can break the chains. The rich are not eternal nor all knowing. They make mistakes, money reenters the system and the system keeps flowing
You can't consider reinventing money as reentering the system because that money plus interest will eventually get back into the hands of the rich. the only thing that can break that are investment mistakes. That causes the rich to reinvest at higher interest rates which makes it even harder to escape debt.
>>68135883
>Jesus throws out the money changers
>definitely a capitalist
Guess it's my fault for replying to a Canuck.
>>68136068
>Name one time pure capitalism ever worked.
The more capitalistic the better as a general rule
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
>>68136490
>Jesus believes in free will
>totally a socialist
My fault for responding to a burger.
>>68124731
The NHS was originally planned to launch much earlier than it did. WW2 put a stopper on it since it fucked us financially
>>68136514
Then why did America have it's glory days when taxes were 91%?
>>68136418
>Like Tsar Russia
Serfdom, not capitalism
>Capitalist America before the Federal Reserve
Where everything was cheap as fuck, even after you consider inflation? Where poverty was actually lower than today?
>Canada before the 50s.
I actually don't know, nor care enough to comment on this one.
>>68136418
>You can't consider reinventing money as reentering the system because that money plus interest will eventually get back into the hands of the rich. the only thing that can break that are investment mistakes. That causes the rich to reinvest at higher interest rates which makes it even harder to escape debt.
People making money all along the way isn't money reentering the system? It's not some magical thing for where every $1 you put in you get $2 back. There's fractional profit all along the line, everyone involved benefits.
>>68136651
Extremely few qualified for that tax rate, as opposed the many more who would qualify today.
Also, leaving the country wasn't much of an option it the 50s, now you can uproot your entire company and move to china in a heartbeat, taking all that delicious tax with you.
Like my dad always says, 25% of £100 is 25. 90% of £100 is 0 since the guy won't pay it.
>Socialism is fine as long as the people vote for it
That's basically like saying capital punishment is fine only if the person has to commit sudoku.
>>68129008
we shall see
>>68136706
What is the difference between serfdom and capitalism unchecked for the benefit of merchants? Both systems are comprised of men born into wealth who ingratiate fellow people of power for the benefit of a largely-unworking-class, who maintain dynasties that run on the inertia of hard-working people below them. Both see very little difference in actual socioeconomic mobility and favor born-in privileges of status and wealth.
