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Redpill me on vegans /pol/
Should we eat meat and dairy?
>>68116433
checked
>>68116433
Your teeth are proof that you are supposed to be an omnivore.
>>68116433
>they are filthy, delusional hippies who look like skeletons
>>68116433
a vegan/vegetarian diet will quickly yield nutritional deficiencies like zinc and other minerals, as well as - yes, it IS a problem - cholesterol deficiency.
look into statin drug side effects, and then ask yourself WHY those are side effects - things like memory loss and rhabdomyelosis
it's NOT healthy. on the other side, unclean meats full of artificial hormones and antibiotics are not healthy, either.
source: i know my shit
Veganism causes sterility and encourages the usage of pesticides that harm crops. Soy, which is used in large amounts in vegan diets causes sterility and impotence due to the large amounts of phytoestrogens. There is no benefit whatsoever in vegan diets
Verdict: another jewish trick to cull down the numbers of the white population.
Addendum: go around and see if there is any vegan nigger. Then ask the white vegans in question who they vote for and their sexual orientation
You will (not) be surprised
>supposed to
>designed to
just eat food, who cares what you eat? honestly it' been years since I met a militant vegan but in the mean time i've met many militant anti-vegans. just live and let live /pol/
>>68116589
>yep, the canine teeth, right?
>>68116433
I think they have the same cancer rate as everyone else but a lower survival rate then everyone else.
Which they probably would not care about considered animal life would be more important to them then humans or there own. So what the fuck over.
>>68116433
If humans weren't meant to eat meat animals wouldn't be tasty.
I get the impression that being vegetarian is the master race health-wise. Doesn't seem like meat is essential.
That said, if you have any "moral" reasoning behind it you're a turbo tetra male.
>>68116589
Gorillas have huge canines but they don't eat meat...
The meat industry is kind of disgusting as a whole but I can't stop my bacon butty.
>>68116703
>>68116663
after reading this, I am not surprised by this:
>>68116789
>>68116789
Protein.
You know, the shit that made us what we are?
>>68116589
>>68116747
I have heard so many vegans deny the existence outright of human canine teeth. Completely delusional.
>>68116433
Eat whatever you want, just remember vegan means more pollution in the end, because they don't fucking know how much is needed to cover for everyone and how much time and effort it takes to keep all good...
>>68116898
this baboon is doing just fine
http://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=WtVXFonpaWo
>>68116433
/fit/izen here. From a health perspective, yes, we should eat meat and dairy. I was vegetarian for 12 years. It's possible to have a balanced diet if you take the right supplements as a vegan, but it's much easier to just eat meat. I was amazed how fast I built muscle when I started eating meat.
>>68116663
people always say this but it never seems to be the case when long time vegans actually get a health check
>>68116589
>implying that our teeth can easily tear into the uncut skin/hide of a freshly killed and intact animal
>>68116433
OP, I won't spoon-feed you but what I can tell you is that if you go on Pubmed and search for the research on the subject almost all of the most recent and most methodically-sound research indicates is that vegetarianism and to an even greater extent veganism helps reduce the chances of most major diseases and well as rate of overall mortality.
Meat and dairy was good to eat in pre-modern times where if you didn't eat it you risked starving or serious nutritional deficiencies but now in our modern age where you can eat anything easily (especially here in the US) then the best choice is to be vegan because you still get everything you need nutrient-wise.
On the vegan diet you lost some fat and look a little skinnier but you have way more energy when you workout and so your muscles will look more toned because of the less fat. As long as you make sure to eat good amounts of nuts/seeds/avocado/spinach/beans/etc its not hard at all to gain muscle through weightlifting, you only lose muscle if you don't workout which you should be doing anyway.
You also have way better skin and better hair.
>>68116703
>>68116789
>>68116789
It's not, I know a vegan, she is ill constantly and has to take supplements constantly.
>>68116898
Most "herbivores" are opportunistic carnivores. Horses love balogna I hear.
>captcha is salads
Go away robots.
>>68116433
Vegas = expensive, have to eat more often
Meat = cheap, have to eat only 2 meals with meat a day
>>68117012
Because a Baboon and Gorilla are the same thing.
Even Orangutans have large canines and don't eat meat.
>>68117092
>>68116920
Are you people stupid? I said VEGETARIANISM, not VEGANISM.
>>68116589
Not even that. The presence of enzymes in our digestive tract that are capable of breaking down meat proteins and drawing nutrients from them shows we are meant to eat meat.
>>68117206
A nose by any other name...
>>68116649
most vegan girl on my fb, always posts vegan stuff etc.. wouldbang/10
>>68116433
What's gonna happen if I eat only fruit/vegetables for a week? Do I die? Serious question.
>Eat meat
>Eat eggs
>Fuck dairy
Dairy is pus filled nasty that gives me phlegm and makes my workouts far more difficult.
>>68117363
The word that popped into my mind, and continues to pop into my mind every time i see a vegan is "snap-able"
Theres always a frailty to them. Its hard to describe, it feels sort of like the uncanny valley syndrome.
>>68117363
>no tits
>degenerate tattoo
What is her job?
>>68116433
Vegetarian here
Doesn't matter what lifestyle you live as long as you eat healthy and exercise.
For meat eaters try eating only poultry or fish
For vegetarians add eggs to your diet for that extra boost of protein and eat more vegetables less fruit
For vegans stop thinking your somehow morally superior to everyone else it's fucking annoying
>>68116433
eat whatever the fuck you want and make sure to get your macronutrients, its not that hard
also keep a track on your calorie count
or dont, i really dont care
>>68116433
We wouldn't be where we are if we hadn't. So the answer is a categorical yes.
>>68117502
>small tits don't sag
>non-visible tattoos aren't degenerate
>would bang/10
>>68116663
>a vegan/vegetarian diet will quickly yield nutritional deficiencies like zinc and other minerals, as well as - yes, it IS a problem - cholesterol deficiency.
Not at all if you make sure to eat a healthy and balanced mix of food. If you are treating it like some sort of detox and only eat fruits and veggies then yeah but you can easily get all the nutrients and minerals you need with a mix of veggies, fruits, nuts, grains, seeds, and sprouts like beans.
>it's NOT healthy
except all the research shows it is and that it protects against most major disease
>>68116703
>encourages the usage of pesticides that harm crops
bullshit, most vegans prefer organic and the most pesticides and herbicides are used on soy and corn used to feed animal livestock anyway
>Soy, which is used in large amounts in vegan diets
tons of vegans don't eat it often and you don't need it at all
>There is no benefit whatsoever in vegan diets
except the protection from most major diseases
>>68116750
higher survival rate actually
>>68116989
not true, some nuts or veggies are high pollution but the pollution cost of animal agriculture is exponentially higher
> Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675
>>68117502
dont know her very well, think she does some acting or whatever, probably sucks a rich guys dick to keep it all together at the same time
>>68117051
>Muscles look more toned
Get the fuck out.
>>68117192
hahahahahahha
>hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
For the first time a Bornean orangutan has been seen eating meat. Both species of orangutan, once thought to be vegetarian, are now known to do so
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150926-veggie-orangutans-turn-carnivore
>turns out you are wrong...
>canine teeth=eats meat
→→→→FAGGOTS
>>68116715
>just eat food, who cares what you eat?
With wrong diet women will give birth to sick, deformed babies. Are you sure we can afford more retards with low IQ?
>>68116898
thats because gorillas dont have an actual society and just beat the shit out of eachother over who gets to fuck the chicks, being able to rip chunks out of the other guy with your teeth helps getting you bitch fucking privileges
>>68116930
you can get high levels of protein from many other kinds of food anon
>>68117192
>Pandas are bears
>This means bears don't nead meat
This is pretty much the logic behind your shit.
>>68117596
>sucking dick==protein
Good for her. My fiancee eats and swallows everything I give her. Our children will be strong.
>>68117617
arent there schimpanzes who have been known to eat eachoter also?
thats fucking scary, crazy monkeys eating themselves
>>68117617
reindeer occassionaly eat lemmings for minerals.
>>68116898
Chimpanzees you britbong
http://www.allaboutwildlife.com/what-do-chimps-eat
>>68117703
>>68117690
jewish propaganda
Animals are hippies and vegans know the ultimate truth!
>>68116433
Trustafarian cunt has a nice kitchen.
Can you be a successful vegan without supplements?
>>68117595
>Meat consumption and mortality–results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition. PUBMED-23497300
Tl;dr: Your post has just been discarded
>>68117606
I didn't mean that in a homoerotic way that touted that as a good thing. I just was trying to explain the common perception that you turn into a thin skeleton with wasting away muscles on a vegan diet is wrong and incorrect. You lose some of your fat and some parts of your body look smaller or less bulky because of that but you don't lose muscle if you make sure to get good sources of vegan protein and its easy to gain muscle through working out while vegan.
>>68116433
I'm not a manlet or a woman, I'm bulking and need about 3000 cal to keep gaining weight at this point even though I'm only 6', 155 lbs.
The amount of food I'd have to eat for my cal/protein goals would be insane.
>>68117813
yes, people are omnivourse, this means they can live off, everything.
>>68117433
That's you, not dairy as a whole. Though it was proven that we were all lactose intolerant at one point.
>>68117660
The argument is that Pandas don't need meat, not all Bears you fucking hintti.
>>68117816
>In order to identify relevant articles, we conducted an independent literature review using PubMed/Medline and EMBASE databases through 28 January, 2014. The following search terms were used: “Adventist vegetarian health” (49 articles); “vegan Adventist health” (46 articles); “Adventist vegetarian cancer” (32 articles); “Adventist health BMI” (28 articles); “Adventist mortality vegetarian” (16 articles); “lacto-ovo-vegetarian Adventist” (11 articles); “Adventist health study dietary pattern” (8 articles); “Adventist vegetarian diabetes” (6 articles); and “dietary patterns Adventist mortality” (3 articles). Additionally, we cross-referenced the articles with the Adventist Health Study database of 348 articles. For the purpose of this study, only relevant articles were included using the following inclusion criteria: (1) large prospective cohort studies of Adventists; (2) reports with clearly defined dietary patterns as exposures; and (3) data of vegetarians compared to non-vegetarians (lacto-ovo-vegetarians and/or vegans) on cardiometabolic factors, cancer-related sites, and/or mortality. Exclusion criteria were: animal studies, case studies with small sample size, studies of Adventists outside of the US and Canada; studies reporting only nutrients, foods, and food groups as dietary exposures; and studies not reporting relevant health outcomes.
seems to be pretty solid methodology to me
>>68117433
>cant drink milk
confirmed non-white
>>68117633
>average nigger
>>68117703
And so do other deer btw, because they need calcium to build their antlers.
>>68117386
The guy in my OP is a norwegian living in thailand. He ONLY eats fruit with vegetables occasionally. We're talking 30 or so fruit a day. His teeth are all kinds of fucked up.
But he claims he's healthier and more energetic, though he said he sleeps 11-12 hours a day
>>68117770
>Animals are hippies and vegans know the ultimate truth!
The ultimate truth is that cows and sheep are not herbivores. They eat grass, the bacteria in their stomaches digest cellulose and then cows eat the bacteria. Checkmate atheists.
>>68117595
>meat makes you fat
Meanwhile the problems with obesity in western countries came with the rise of sugar which is plant based
You dont know your shit at all
>>68117918
Certain breeds of cows produce milk containing a protein called beta-CM-7. This protein can stimulate mucus glands in both your digestive- and respiratory tracts.
Milk containing the beta-CM-7 protein could therefore very well stimulate phlegm -- particularly in people who suffer from chronic lung conditions.
>in other words, if you've ever smoked don't eat dairy.
>>68117746
Because Chimpanzees are Gorillas.
Intermittent fasting is the master race.
We're not supposed to eat so much all the time.
Just fast.
>>68117961
But Pandas have same exact same teeth structure as other bears, this is clear indication that other bears don't need meat.
>>68118024
I'm Irish you fuck.
>>68118078
I can't wait for the stiff wind that knocks him over and breaks all his bones.
>>68116789
It fucking isn't
Where is this stupid sjw meme coming from?
I can guarantee that if you hold all factors in life constant but diet between two people, the one that consumes meat will be able to outperform the vegetarian in physical activities.
>>68118021
>A Prospective Study of Association of Monounsaturated Fat and Other Types of Fat With Risk of Breast Cancer. archinte.jamanetwork.com
>Serum cholesterol and cognitive performance in the Framingham Heart Study. PUBMED-15673620
>The expensive-tissue hypothesis: the brain and the digestive system in human and primate evolution. www.academia.edu
Go eat a porkchop before your brain melts
>>68117901
https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
Just fuck off with your false propaganda. Thanks [smiley face]
>>68118024
>this
>>68118149
thanks for proving my point
>>68118198
>fucking kek
>>68116433
Should we respect our omnivorous diet?
Tough question
>>68118330
its true my white friend, Europeans have a lower rate of lactosintolerance and things like that, and it usually gets lower the further north you get
Eskimos litterly die from milk
Has /pol/ watched Cowspiracy or Earthlings?
Every vegan says you should watch them if you say you're not vegan.
How do you feel about the moral argument? That killing animals is akin to killing a human? Are animals the same as us?
Are we above them? Does this mean we should be able to eat them or does this mean that's a responsibility for us to care for them?
My question is if everyone on Earth became vegan, what the fuck would we do with cows? They'd be useless and just eat grass. It'd be better for humanity to just mass slaughter them if we can't eat their meat, drink their milk, or make cheese.
>>68118309
[citation needed]
>>68117363
If you're a girl its fine to be vegan, but u ain't never getting laid with that type of girl while being on a vegan diet. Men should eat fucking meat, we didn't climb to the top of the food chain so that we can eat grass like fucking rabbits
>>68118501
>30% of Swedish dairy farms now milk with robots
Robotic milking master race
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/30-of-swedish-dairy-farms-now-milk-with-robots/
>>68117901
Gotta go back to school Cuckhbdal Khan
The human brain developed because of our consumption of meat. That shit needs a lot of protein. Why else to vegetarians and vegans need to take supplements?
>>68118335
My skin would beg to differ bruh. If Europeans aren't white, I'd love to see who is lol.
>>68118628
Listen you piece of shit. Links to pubmed articles are in the linked article. Care to read it?
![2cd7d9d22fe575afb73e5611583f44a1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DGgi4rr.jpg "2cd7d9d22fe575afb73e5611583f44a1[1].jpg")
>>68118684
This is an [alleged] vegan bodybuilder
>>68116433
he doesn't have enough energy to shave
>>68118791
Who takes steroids.
>>68118598
Carnivores are required to prevent herbivores to self extinguish. Basically herbivores keep eating grass until there is nothing left, so they die of starvation. So you need to cull their numbers somehow.
And yes, we climbed above the food chain, our brains are more complex and we actively contribute to the increase in complexity of the universe thanks to our technology. It's not our responisbility to give a shit about them
>>68116930
most vegans get their protein from gargling large amounts of semen
>>68118712
>30% of Swedish dairy farms now milk with robots
kek
i guess thats the only way to do it nowadays
to bad tough that we import milk (and other things) from other EU countries,
Roughly 50% that we consume is imported unfortunatly
>>68116433
>Should we eat meat and dairy?
It depends. Where your ancestors steppe nomads that mainly lived on meat and dairy? No? Then you shouldn't eat as much meat and dairy as westerners and especially Americans eat today. In fact no one should eat as much meat and dairy as americans do today and you should never eat the hormone filled shit meat either.
>>68118889
And soy, which makes them want more sperm.
>>68118728
More often than not vegan youtubers seem very unstable psychologically, and they all act autisticly.
Gee, wonder why
>>68118889
>semen
THEY ARE LITTERLY SMALL FISHES
THATS MURDER
>>68118780
Yea.. i did
>Conclusions: This study suggests that vitamin B12 and folate may be involved in the development of AD. A clear association was detected only when both vitamins were taken into account, especially among the cognitively intact subjects. No interaction was found between the two vitamins. Monitoring serum B12 and folate concentration in the elderly may be relevant for prevention of AD.
and that shit is not satisfactory.
mind you this is from fucking 2000, 16 year old article that is not fucking conclusive, this is your fucking evidence.
>>68118840
>made from 100% organic plants
>>68118963
>And soy
Which lowers testosterone levels and increases estrogen levels in men. Enjoy your man boobs and being beta for the rest of your life.
>>68116433
Vegans are vegans so they can tell other people they are vegan. They love to let everyone know.
>>68118791
sure thing bro.
>Saying ur vegan
>uploading 5 min youtube clips per day
>23 hours and 55 mins left to eat w/e the fuck you want, who's gonna find out?
>also, claim that you dont use roids, again - who's gonna find you out?
>>68118965
Check out Vegan Gains.
He is a confirmed sociopath (he admitted to it twice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okd3vFUwqj4
>>68118598
Realistically I see it going down like this. Products that tastes exactly like meat, or even lab grown meat will become a reality sooner rather than later.
At that point I'd say the population will naturally reduce as the demand for live cows drop once the price of "lab meat" or whatever PR friendly slogan they slap on it gets cheaper than real meat and then some cows will still be kept for humans who prefer real meat at a premium cost. The cost covering a decent free ranged lifestyle for the cows until they've grown old enough to be slaughtered since I doubt it will be legal to be anything but fully humane at that point.
>>68119052
>you will never be a steroid farmer
>>68119008
Last I checked scientifuc truth doesnt change no matter how many years pass?
Just because you dont understand the paper doesnt mean its recipients arent true
>>68119008
Learn2google
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25195560
>>68118134
Aren't pandas dying off pretty rapidly?
How is that helpful?
>>68119149
>eating animals is unhealthy and cruel
yep, I stopped watching the groid right there.
>>68117595
>higher survival rate actually
Actually there is no deference but they die from heart disease
>There were no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or all other causes combined.
>Mortality from ischemic heart disease among the vegans was slightly higher than among the fish eaters and the vegetarians,
>In conclusion, vegetarians had a 24% lower mortality from ischemic heart disease than nonvegetarians, but no associations of a vegetarian diet with other major causes of death were established.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/516s.full#T4
>>68119075
Exactly why I don't eat it.
What would IRON PILL do?
Eat wholesome, fresh, natural food the kind your ancestors would have eaten.
If you are a European, this means a lot of root vegetables and free range cheese, milk, butter, beef, etc. from grass-fed animals. And the odd fish or seafood, but remember that our oceans and rivers have been Jewed to fuck so there is a pollution risk there.
Don't overcomplicate things, but don't eat trash, either. Basically, take chunks of vegetables and meat and roast them (if you want to go completely hipster here, do so over an open fire). Make the odd stew, but don't overuse boiling.
Alcohol is fine in moderation - small beer and cider(<3%) most of the time, strong beer (5-10%) for special occasions. Spirits will weaken body and mind.
If you feel bad about how animals live and die to become meat, cut out the middle-man, and do it yourself (if you can?). Not only can you reduce if not eliminate animal suffering, but you will be forced to reflect on mortality and death in the most personal way possible.
>>68119244
There is no truth, articles clearly says "Study suggests" and "A clear association was detected"
That is not same as "This is how it works" conclusion is unsatisfactory, it needs more research and it was not made.
without more research this study is useless.
>>68118998
not your semen anon
>>68118129
most underrated post
fasting is the ultimate truth, 2 days, eat 5 days what ever you want, and how much you want, and you will lose weight. And decreases cancer risk severely. It's proven.
maybe a merchant can enlight us over this
what should we do merchant?
>>68119366
You are probably eating it and don't know about it. Soy is being added to almost every processed food. That's why I buy vegetables and meat from a farmer. By the way, now you know the reason why western male population became a bunch of beta pussies.
>>68116433
Vegans are like weed smokers: the culture is what ruins it, not the act itself. I don't care about your smoking or eating habits, just don't be a self-righteous fag about it.
Veganism makes you soft in the head.
>>68119408
I gave you an article from 2014. Do you need more articles to shut the hell up? Are you a fucking white male?
>>68118091
I never said meat makes you fat, I just cited a study that said being vegan/vegetarian helps protect against obesity.
>>68118255
you are just implying the methodology is bad instead of explaining why
>>68118598
in many nature reserves they are trying to bring back wolves like a yellowstone. In areas where they had wolves that would balance it, in other areas they could cull them like deer.
>>68118780
>>68118309
All of the nutrients your brain needs can easily be obtained from vegan sources if you take the time to read about which vegan foods have them
>>68118900
>May I offer some of our products?
http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/publi/peco/hungary/summary/sum_en.htm
Two-thirds of Hungary's total area (9.3 Mio ha) is devoted to agriculture. Crops cover more than 5 Mio ha, which represents 80% of the agricultural area, while less than 1.5 Mio ha is permanent grassland.
The arable area remained fairly stable, amounting to 4.7 Mio ha in 1996, as in 1989. However, since 1994, 4% has been withdrawn from production.
Cereals are the main crops, covering around 80% of the arable land. From 1989-1997, the areas under wheat and maize were roughly the same (ranging from 1 to 1.25 Mio ha in recent years). In terms of production, maize has tended to dominate wheat, with an average for 1994-96 of more than 5 Mio t., compared with 4 Mio t. for wheat. These two crops account for 85% of cereals production and for 90% of cereals exports.
>>68119436
I'm Orthodox Christian and most of the year, fast on Wednesday and Friday. The times vary depending on the occasion so we have calendars that make it easy to remember.
http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/
>>68119491
Uh no, unlike most people I'm not a fucking idiot and I read the ingredient list. I also know that a large part of an animal's diet usually involves soy, so I buy grass fed or pasture raised meats and eggs.
>aint no scrub
>>68119575
>All of the nutrients your brain needs can easily be obtained from vegan sources if you take the time to read about which vegan foods have them
Care to enlighten us?
Hard mode : no pills or vitamin milkshakes.
>>68119491
Who the fuck are you calling a pussy cunt
>>68119575
Giving up meat and dairy is like giving up sex: even if doing so did in theory reduce disease risks, most people still wouldn't want to forego them because of what a pleasure they are.
Don't overindulge and you won't die.
>>68119642
Thank's for reminding me about Dave Jones from
EEVblog.
>>68119278
probably worst study I have read, it fucking citet itself even, that is one classy move.
and even so, all found was that, yea, it is prevelant... What is that mean? who fuckign knows.
They didn't even say what sample size they had.
>>68117660
Pandas are carnivores, you utter gimp.
They eat bamboo for some.. ecological niche reason. But if they run out of bamboo they will eat a person. Oh yes.
>>68119149
>He is a confirmed sociopath
>(he admitted to it twice)
Where?
>>68119408
Thats scientific jargon. The language used in scientific papers is different from everyday lexicon.
Theres a tendency to phrase findings like that even when confronted with undeniable evidence since a scientific study can never be expansive enough to admit conclusions as truths on its own.
Thats why its always best to read various articles.
But I havent seen you refute the methods of investigation, just the wording, which isnt really refutation in this context
>>68119598
>litterly building a wall to keep refugees out
>being self sustainable
stay awesome Hungary
>>68119837
>that guy has a ton of stuff
>I still remember his educational videos
>>68117606
Muscles look more toned because you lose too much mass from dietary deficiency
>>68116765
>If humans weren't meant to eat meat animals wouldn't be tasty.
>If humans weren't meant to shoot heroin it wouldn't feel so good
>>68119868
Write your own fucking scientific, peer reviewed article, Finnish shitposter.
![E8oNusI[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6Nu7euV.jpg "E8oNusI[1].jpg")
What does /pol/ have to say to this picture?
>>68117901
Except a plant only vegan diet lol
>>68119895
It's paid for article, I don't have access to this shit no more
and this wording is made specially for continuation, it wasn't continued it's useless.
>>68119970
I could not care less about the circumstances of either.
Why does it have to be all or nothing? It's like you either eat no meat at all whatsoever or you eat meat 3 times a day.
It's obviously a good idea to cut back on meat, but it's nonsensical to cut it out entirely. I eat meat two or three times a week and that works just fine. Some weeks more, some weeks less.
I just werks.
>>68119970
Man's best friend vs. Man's best breakfast
>>68120042
>He doesn't know about sci-hub
>>68119874
>never piss off the Australian wildlife
http://imgur.com/gallery/8RIlh
>>68119970
The meat industry is fuckes up because the modern human eats too much meat.
Also dogsare more intelligent than pigs and can develop complex emotional bonds. They are buddies not snacks
...fuckin chinks
>>68119970
That pretty much 99999.99999% of people think that the industrial farming system is unethical, and are entirely against any form of cruelty to animals but at the same time can put forward no other viable option to meet the demand for meat without a drastic increase in prices.
Yes I feel bad for those pigs, but at the same time I'm not going to be paying $29.99 for a piece of bacon any time soon, nor will I be giving up said bacon.
>>68116433
I'm all for fruits, vegetables, and cereals but the amino acid Carnitine is hardly present in plant based food sources when compared to meat.
>>68119876
When he didn't care about his dad dying because he wasn't a vegan cunts fucked
>>68119970
Try harder, my property.
>>68119970
eat the dogs
>>68120117
kek
>>68120131
Sorry, I'm not polish thief.
I have morals.
>>68120169
Not many people eat dog around here anymore. Mainly old people. It's a dying trend
>>68120271
How they taste like, tho?
>>68119970
I own dogs for companionship.
I eat pigs.
>>68120252
Are you fucking serious?
Not an argument in this discussion.
Keep shitposting.
>>68119408
Find me a study anywhere where they literally state "this is how it works"
"A clear association was detected" is science speak for "holy fuck we worked it out".
Is it your first day on pubmed?
>>68119970
>save the dogs
>eat the pigs
Pretty simple. If you weren't a brainwashed retard, you wouldn't ask a simple question like this.
I have my own poultry, which is more humane. I bet you buy eggs from industrial egg farms.
>>68116589
>>>68116433 (OP)
>Your teeth are proof that you are supposed to be an omnivore.
This is true, but humans never have and were never meant to eat meat to the extend they do today. Think of a hunter-gatherer or even a primitive agricultural society. People would only be able to eat meat about once month with the resources they have.
If everyone would still do that, it wouldn't be a problem, but people somehow got used to eating meat EVERY day and it puts an enormous strain on the environment as well as on your health.
Anyone ever had HORSE? It's fuckin fantastic. My favorite meat by far.
>>68120113
This whole post desu.
Youre doing it correctly, thats about the recommended ammount of meals per week.
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>>68120327
Like goat. Kinda looks like beef, but it's chewwy. Only had it once.
Depends on the seasoning ofc
>>68120381
>No sample size
>No rates on how much people have this problem
No, paper is shit and that paper is also free.
>>68116433
Honestly, the truth of the matter is the most boring part of it.
Yes, you should probably consume meat, but good quality meat in reasonable amounts. Dairy is similar, but probably not great either.
Being vegan is not only unnecessary, but often harmful if proper diet isn't exercised.
>>68120428
yes its awesome , donkey is not bad and bears are also good
>>68120524
Have you tried reading the entire article?
You are not even trying anymore.
>>68119896
>Hey man, if you wanna come and visit us druing the summer, I have my doors open for you.
I am moving now to a 2 bedroom house. Come over from May and you will get accomodation and meals for free in Dunaujvaros.
>>68120381
>Are you fucking serious?
>>68120164
Looks like the poor blighter didn't have his vegemite rub. Sloppy farmers means dead sheep/
>>68120516
Sounds delicious. I'll have to tell my gf who works at the animal shelter to bring home a couple young ones.
>>68116433
>Should we
We don't absolutely need to, obviously, since now we live in abundance and we can get our fats and broteins from wherever we choose from.
There's nothing wrong with meating eat, most of us would do well to consume way, way less of it though because ethical dilemmas aside, environmental impact of meat industry is or will be a tangible problem for all of us.
>>68120582
Memes with Carl have great potential. Have anyone made rare Pepes of him already?
>>68116433
<3 GO VEGAN watch
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgkrQSRy9E
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV04zyfLyN4
>https://www.youtube.com/user/Freelea
All the vegans I know are stereotypical lefties who also happen to be turbo hedonists. They indulge in more recreational drugs then any other group I've mingled with. They're all smokers and skinnyfat.
I myself am a pescatarian. I don't believe we were ever meant to eat red meat in the quantities we do now. Regardless, we have the technology to live just as healthy lives without red meat with some personal sacrifices. There are also legitimate climate arguments to be made.
The way we harvest meat right now kinda depresses me. I believe it'll be one of the things we'll look back on and ask ourselves what the fuck we were thinking. There will eventually be a meat substitute that will prove to be superior in every way.
I'm pretty anti dairy because I'm lactose intolerant and it gives me bad acne. I don't think it's good for most people unless you need to gain weight. The hormones in it are also pretty terrible.
I also eat red meat in very small amounts because I don't think it's that healthy with the fat content and hormones. Also I'm cheap.
>>68120670
>environmental impact of meat industry
I don't get that meme.
>>68120382
Only if study doesn't find anything concrete.
>>68120573
I did read the whole article, it's utter shit, it explains what D12 deficiensy is, very well.
Nothing else.
>>68120553
Never had donkey, although I would. Those fuckers are loud and annoying, better to eat them.
>>68116989
I worked on one of the last organic farms in California and I'm saying that is completely false to an extent, to the fact if we were to spray and dust our crops with said pesticides pro tip we don't have to spray or dust anything and the old man farmer knew of this but was being told other wise through the farmers bureaucracy in other words if he was caught not spraying it he'd lose his farm
>>68120726
>COWSPIRACY
The ugliest hooknose female jew known to Man on the thumbnail.
>I'm never disappointed by you Israel.
>>68120726
>seaspiracy
>cowspiracy
>Americapox
why do vegan documentaries sound like something I'd watch from Alex Jones
>>68116433
if your pro-life yes, because consistancy is key in politics
if you say diffrent forms of life have no diffrence, your an idealist and anti-abortion, pro-animal , pro-human and pro-not stepping on insects
PRO-LIFE (you still make a distinction between animals and plants tho, and microscopic life)
if you a freedomlover, and are pro-choice, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Your an anarchist and dont get limited by morality, you can eat anything you like (your still limited by society, so you should move out into the woods and eat animals you kill and plants you collect, because you are only limited by the forces of nature
CONSISTANCY PEOPLE consistancy
all choices need to be consistant with the rest, if not your sub human and dont care about logic that follows step by step thinking and necessety
>>68117660
>>Pandas are bears
>>68120731
>I don't believe we were ever meant to eat red meat in the quantities we do now.
We have figured it our in the last century, you know?
>>68120854
Hence no more organics and he's like 90+
We should eat vegans only.
>>68117192
Are those cavities?
>>68120573
Do you not understand that one study does not mean anything? Science is a process, and different studies can have opposing results. You clearly know nothing about science or nutrition.
Everybody and their mom knows that vitamin B12 is found only in animal foods. What exactly does this have to do with the OP? Nothing.
Meat and dairy are unhealthy and it is healthier to supplement B12 than to eat meat and dairy. Meat and dairy are sources of dietary cholesterol and saturated fat, which are harmful to health and non-essential. Replacing meat and dairy with plant foods introduces beneficial phytochemicals which are not found in animal products.
>>68116703
oh yeah and eating your estrogen ridden chicken doesn't cause any sterility.
>>68120551
>Dairy is similar, but probably not great either.
Give me ONE good reason why we need dairy. And don't say calcium because that shit's easy to ingest without diary/supplements.
>>68120901
No idea why;... XD
>>68120766
You literally can't find something concrete, especially when it comes to studying something as complicated as human beings.
No one is going to do a study like "And when the 1 ton weight is dropped on the human, 100% of the time they died".
The point of this level of study is to advance theories, because if we actually understood, concretely, how any given system worked, we wouldn't need to publish papers about them.
So... sorry. You're wrong and don't understand.
>>68120670
This senpai.
>>68120982
>I wonder how much you have to lie to yourself to justify not eating normally then giving your gf to muslims to rape her to death?
Fucking Germans. I won't throw a lifeline to your lot.
>>68120982
Do you expect me to give you links to another 30 articles? The thread is too old now. I won't waste my time as we are reaching to the bump limit. Do yourself a favor and use your favorite search engine to see who is right and who is wrong here. From my experience hardcore vegans have nothing to do with science. Cheers.
>>68121059
Well, not backed up studies, are still useless studies, sorry.
>>68120875
I don't care if you like Israel or not. GO VEGAN ^-^
>>68120982
>You clearly know nothing about nutrition
>meat and dairy are unhealthy
Ahaha.. oh anon, you kill me.
>>68120954
What are you trying to say exactly? Do you honestly believe people follow food pyramids?
>>68120982
>dietary cholesterol
>harmful
Dude, what the fuck?
You need cholesterol to live.
It's biology 101.
>>68121243
So then you won't believe a single study? Ever? Oh no. I know when you will, when it supports your beliefs. Typical.
>>68120551
Dairy is much worse than meat because
1. Dairy is 2/3 saturated fat, while meat is 1/3 saturated fat and fish is 1/4 saturated fat.
2. Excessive calcium intake destroys your bones and it is very easy to consume several times the recommended amounts if you consume any liquid dairy products. While cheese has an adequate level of calcium, it is full of saturated fat and quite unhealthy as a result.
>>68120169
>Also dogs are more intelligent than pigs
False.
>>68117595
>except all the research shows it is and that it protects against most major disease
No, a vegan diet is correlated with better health than the average cheeseburger and deep fried carbs eating Walmart shopping fat fuck. It doesn't protect against anything.
It is better than to be the meat eating lardass for sure, but when you force your children from a young age to do it you should be hanged
>>68121346
This guy knows.
>>68121045
One:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/11554247/A-yogurt-a-day-could-relieve-depression.html
Two:
http://www.livescience.com/32236-is-yogurt-really-good-for-you.html
But nothing will change your mind.
Some history:
http://downtoearth.danone.com/2013/01/31/a-brief-history-of-yogurt/
>>68121338
There are plenty of studies that were backup, let's say, Gravity, Evolution.
This theories were backup by millions of people.
Also, I'm not vegan and I have no stake in this fight in my moral stance.
>>68121269
>Do you honestly believe people follow food pyramids?
I know I do and nutritionists are. Who gives a fuck about obese Americans who doesn't know what a healthy diet means?
>>68121310
You don't need dietary cholesterol to live since it is synthesized from fat
>>68120383
Pretty ironic because the brainwashed one here is you and you're too dumb to realize it.
>>68121440
>http://www.livescience.com/32236-is-yogurt-really-good-for-you.html
You DO understand that you don't have to eat saturated fat curds to get your probiotics, RIGHT?
>>68121245
>I Googled and found something
You can't make this shit up.
>>68121461
>Also, I'm not vegan and I have no stake in this fight in my moral stance.
You just came here to shitpost.
>>68121507
Cell membranes are build from what?
>>68121657
K E K
E
K
love having a nice bowl or morning keks with my coffee
>>68117606
>
>>68117845
>homoerotic
no, no, listen
id on't even post on /pol/ really, i am just a wandering jew who shitposts
but i come from /fit/ and legit
you deserve to burn in gas chambers
I would ursery the fuck out of you
i would go to your house for dinner and call the nazis for sheltering me before desert
and then eat all the desert with the nazis
>>68121461
Find me some studies on pubmed about gravity, anon.
Let me give you an example. Not everyone who smokes gets cancer. Does smoking cause cancer? In your world, it does not, definitely. Because there is no 1:1 rate of smoking to cancer.
And if you say "its well known that it does because studies", well, sorry to say, that you also have to believe in the B12 study, since they both rely on the same degree of inference.
>>68121580
suuuuuuuure
>>68121245
>>68121245
>>68117472
this
what drove it home for me was a few months back i was in the gym and was feeling charitable so went over to help a guy who was struggling to put up the ~12kg dumbbells (i think). i gave him some form advice and told him how it's more important than anything else to make sure you eat enough, especially protein, and told him i usually get through about 1lb of meat a day
"oh, i can't eat meat, i don't think it's right"
"well that's ok, you can just get by on protein powder too"
"oh no, i'm a vegan, you see"
he was about to say something else but i must have had a distant look in my eyes because he thanked me and left at that point
this guy was maybe 5'10 and could not have been more than 60kg, i'm nowhere near the biggest of the regulars at the gym but i dwarfed him. i don't think i've ever met a healthy vegan. vegetarians aren't much better, they usually look malnourished too.
>>68121850
LOL I'm sure jews love these.
>>68120996
>some chicken isn't raised ideally
>all meat is bad
>>68121792
>Comparing jews to pigs
I'm confused. I thought vegans weren't based as fuck?
>>68121600
Oh man, an anti fat crusader.
Hey anon, why does your body store fat if its bad for you?
Oh another one! If you "cut you calories" and lose weight, where does your energy come from? Is it from.. saturated fat?
>>68116433
TO ALL OF YOU WHO SAY:
"Vegans only eat salad" ;)
~going to eat,byeeeeee
>>68121770
>there is a lot more where this came from
>>68121045
You don't. That wasn't my argument, my argument is more that it's a useful tool if you need the nutrition it offers.
>>68121346
That doesn't make logical sense. I can have dairy products with no fat in them.
>>68122029
shrooms look good but you can throw away that burger
>>68117595
it's healthy compared to the "average american diet" with tons of processed food, sugar and fat
But a balanced diet with meat, fish, eggs, dairy, veggies, fruits, nuts and grains is still superior.
humans have been eating meat for thousands of years. We have evolved to digest it.
Same as milk. Europeans have evolved to digest milk, while africans have not (they got 99% lactose intolerance).
Being a vegan in 2016 is throwing thousands of years of evolution out the window.
>>68120982
>cholesterol
>bad
Its the building block of all your fucking hormones
>>68122034
What are you, gay?
>>68116433
I like to enjoy the best of both worlds.
>>68121911
ask the professor here:
>>68121245
He is pretty active in this field. Just read his earlier comments.
>>68122141
My real arguement here was it's actually unnecessary and bad for you in more ways than it's good. Meat is unavoidable, dairy is shit.
![texas[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KA2n02W.jpg "texas[1].jpg")
>>68122201
If I wanted to fuck a toned small breasted, small assed person I'd just fuck a man.
>>68116433
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v531/n7592_supp/full/531S12a.html?WT.mc_id=FBK_OUTLOOK_COGNITIVEHEALTH
>>68122154
>https://youtu.be/o2SmVrjkgxg
>>68119970
women are retarded and it is women who say such things
>animal
>rights
literally choose 1
>>68116589
Teeth are fairly meaningless indicators of anything. I'm sure people have already pointed out that pandas were nearly 100% vegetarian but have carnivore-like teeth. Yes, there are differences between a Polar Bear's teeth and a Panda Bear's teeth which provide evidence for their very different diets, but those differences are not obvious by casual observation.
Better indicators: humans have no ability to digest fiber. A proper herbivore is able to digest fiber, but humans cannot do this. Fruit is seasonal, and in northern climates only available 4-5 months of the year. What do vegans suggest humans did during this period before the advent of agriculture, where the growing and storage of seeds enmasse became possible?
And there are a number of critical proteins, vitamins and minerals which are entirely unavailable to vegans without supplements created in a factory setting using genetically modified bacteria. The most well-known of these is cobalamin ("B12") but it's not the only one. There are others which, while present in plant matter, do not naturally naturally accumulate therein in sufficient quantities. Essential fatty acids ("EFAs") are a great example of this: EFAs are found in grasses (where we cannot extract them) seeds (in extremely small quantities) and algae. How do vegans suppose humans got enough EFAs to survive before agriculture? In nature, grazing animals eat enough grass to accumulate EFAs in their bodies so that when we kill and eat those animals (or their eggs/milk) we absorb the EFAs.
>>68116703
Soy is the main diet of many farmed cattle
>>68121787
Here is your quick google search
https://physics.aps.org/featured-article-pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.061102
and about your "in your world"
In my world, good conclusion has, reason for study, find of the study in detail, how many % of people were control group, what was the control group.
You know, a good ammount of text that explain everything, not your 2 sentance conclusion with no numbers and no concrete evidence on anything.
Papers from 1950 on smoking and cancer had better written everything that this B12 articles you people dig out of your asses.
>>68122346
That bitch looks nasty, as if her vag would smell of yeast and fish. Enjoy your sagging dimensions when they get older, that vegan bitch looks like she has a great ass.
not being vegan is against aryan values. you can kill your enemies and when there is no other way to survive. but not for pleasure like a subhuman
>>68122432
This man knows his shit.
Where do we get EPA, DHA or CLA in a vegan diet? Flax seed oil? You would need to drink a liter of it.
>>68119145
if you were vegan you would realize how often food and diet gets brought up in conversation. most of the time it's weird not to mention you're a vegan.
also being vegan saves lives. you may not agree that those lives are worth saving, but try to understand how than can be important to some people.
i don't even go around encouraging veganism. it's really stupid to act like i would be some kind of freak for saying, "hey guys maybe we should kill less animals...?"
really though, research a local free range farm. better for your health, country, and the animals.
>>68122346
I mean, I've fucked and appreciate bigger assed ladies, but your example is just gnarly looking. Particularly, that face.
FACTS
>http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
>>68122707
>that's one fat, comfy little hedgehog
>>68122604
Well she is a pornstar, so you may be right.
Vegan girl has a weak ass tho. Idk wtf ur talking about bro
>>68118791
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
lmao he literally looks cancerous.
>>68122707
>also being vegan saves lives
How? The animals get killed either way, packed and sent to the shop.
