Will libertarian nationalism ever share this board with fascistic nationalism again?
There used to be a pretty even mix of libertarians and nazis here. What happened?
>>68094136
How is Libertarian Nationalism not an oxymoron?
>>68094136
Trump showed us the error of our ways
>>68094136
I don't have anywhere else to go, you guys are my senpai.
>>68094206
A commonwealth should protect the freedom of its own people with strong borders and low-intervention foreign policy.
>>68094136
That depends on what you mean by "libertarian" and "fascist" because I guarantee you are applying one or both of those terms incorrectly
>>68094273
This.
>>68094273
So pretty much America according to the Constitution.
>>68094136
The problem is that virtually all libertarian parties are open borders shitpiles out to destroy America at any cost.
>>68094136
Libertarianism is unequal to the challenges faced by the modern west. Those challenges include demographic decline and displacement.
That requires collective action to solve, and probably some measure of ethnonationalism, which libertarians claim to abhor.
>>68094273
while allowing foreign owned corporations and rootless internationalists free reign to dismantle the the economic sovereignty of a nation.
>>68094660
Reminder that a corporation is a contract between an enterprising interest and the sovereign, which is strictly disallowed in true libertarian (i.e. not shillbertarian) thought.
>>68094559
>open borders shitpiles out to destroy America at any cost.
No you're thinking of green. Libertarians are in favor of legal immigration, opposed to illegal immigration
>>68094273
Dismantle the welfare state and there's no need for the strong borders.
>>68094983
This
>>68094136
>Will libertarian nationalism ever share this board with fascistic nationalism again?
Libertarianism is globalist ideology and libertarian nationalism cannot exist, so I'll doubt that they will re-appear as they have never existed in first place.
>>68094839
okay, but how do you stop foreign nationals, or foreign aligned businesses from gutting a nations resources without government intervention in the market?
>>68094983
YOU are the reason people laugh at libertarians
/pol/ is clearly made up of followers of the alt right and neo-reactionaries, for the most part... Militant, yes. Fascists? No.
>>68095308
>The government should be able to stop a citizen from selling to a national
>The government should have control over resources
Statist cuck please go
>>68094983
That's silly. There's no welfare state for Haitians in the Dominican Republic, but they still try to flood that country, making life worse for non-Haitians in the DR.
Libertarian claims are remarkably resistant to actual facts.
>>68095534
globalist shill please go
>>68095672
>He thinks nationalism and state supremacy are the same thing
>>68095624
Libertarianism is about the government staying out of the way and doing as little as possible to interfere in the lives of the people. The job of government doesn't include protecting you from competition with other workers. Whether those other workers are your fellow countrymen or immigrants is immaterial.
>>68095672
>Somebody owns some stuff but can't sell it to who they want to because other people don't want them to
You sound like a Bernie supporter
>>>/reddit/
>>>/out/
>>68095163
If you want to see a clear counterexample, you should read Kant's Theory and Practice.
Kant basically thinks the only good of human existence is to freely make moral choices. He's an ideological libertarian in the strictest sense.
And yet, he advocates a government with no right to revolution, and completely binding laws (even if they are considered to be detrimental to the "happiness" of the public by the public at large).
See pages 18-32 in particular of the following pdf, wherein Kant critiques Hobbes for having a social contract theory that is too permissive on behalf of the people:
https://hesperusisbosphorus.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/theory-and-practice.pdf
>>68094136
It's always good to lead with your argument for libertarian principles by calling people fascists and posting an image of the Big L Libertarian Party, the biggest scam in national electoral history.
Maybe more of us figured out what a useless bunch of purist fucks any who'd call themselves a libertarian is.
God knows I spread the message every time I see that image about how the Libertarian Party is just screwing people out of their money every four years so the party bosses can avoid getting real jobs.
>>68095808
>somebody owns all the uranium but can't sell it to the nations enemies
>waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
>please open your borders up, what could go wrong? :)))
Fuck off, libertarians. You had your chance
>>68094136
>There used to be a pretty even mix of libertarians and nazis here. What happened?
I wished it was still the case. Now pol is a shithole filled with 'classic liberals' and republicans
fucking disgusting normie
>>68094136
Gary Johnson called me a racist... therefore, fuck him.
>>68096032
>You had your chance
our chance to what, exactly? Seems to me we wanted individual freedom and you just wanted a candidate who trolls people IRL
>>68094136
>What happened?
"It" happened.
Ron couldn't make it. His rhetoric failed to light a flame in men's hearts.
His son was even worse.
They were too weak, too easy to brush aside. More drastic measures are required now.
![eDDmd1q[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NRATHgb.jpg "eDDmd1q[1].jpg")
>>68095917
Look at this pic. Bernie never stopped fighting for what he believed in neither will Libertarians, look at him now. This is about dismantling the two party system, and we will never stop until it is accomplished
>>68095805
>The job of government doesn't include protecting you from competition with other workers
...and that's why libertardianism will remain the province of autists and sadists.
>>68096129
Paul was weak and you didn't have the cocos to start a proper movement.
>>68094136
>What happened
Ron Paul lost, and Trump came into the arena. Don't worry, when Trump wins he will open the gates for future "non establishment" candidates to win. The future is bright.
>>68096129
No... we need someone who can relay the message.... for instance, Ron Paul said we need to build up our national security but not be the policeman of he world.. and then he's called an isolationist and he goes on the defensive.... whereas Trump says the same exact thing using different words, I want to build are military so strong that we don't have to use it.... and he's called a WW3 Warhawk by saying the same thing AND he doesn't go on the defensive.. it's all about being a better communicator.
>>68095917
To be clear, I don't actually support the established libertarian party, it was just the first thing that came up in google images and it seemed reasonable enough to start the thread with it.
Also, I'm not using fascism pejoratively, I just don't know a more neutral word for the kind of ideology it represents. I don't personally support fascist beliefs, but I think there is real content to fascist thought.
>>68096189
It's no different than other entitlements. You want the government to step into the economy and take something from someone else and give it to you, because you deserve it more. Go phonebank for Bernie, he's all about that. There's a reason he and Trump both hate free trade, because their followers want big government to come give them special advantages. Government shouldn't be doing that.
>>68096311
>>68096390
Do you care about the movement, or about the ends of the movement? I think you care about the former where I cared about the latter. Having a bandwagon to be on isn't a good thing if it's traveling to the wrong place.
>>68096608
I care about the end game... not the movement itself..... to me, it's not a movement, it's common sense.... but like I said, Ron Paul couldn't get the votes, Trump can... and Trump opens the door for libertarians in the near future if he makes the changes he wants to make.
>>68094983
Mexicans also come here for jobs. Even if welfare didn't exist immigration would still be a huge problem.
>>68096818
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy
>>68096818
Libertarians don't really give a shit if America is flooded with Mexicans. They don't give a shit about national identity and pride. They hate nations with a burning desire and at the very core of each of them is a globalist heart pumping away. Remember that.
>>68097171
>They hate nations with a burning desire and at the very core of each of them is a globalist heart pumping away
Bullshit
Libertarians would end
>Affirmative action
>Corporate/ regular welfare
Do you know how many blacks/minorities wouldn't be able to get housing in white neighborhoods and colleges just because of those two alone. How many would die without food stamps?
>>68094136
>What happened?
We realized that the kind of libertarianism that modern philosophy edgelords advocate is only possible with mostly homogenous populations that share the same fundamental cultural values. This is impossible in a world with population volatility, and statists with extensive military and propaganda capabilities capable of destabilizing any society we attempt to build along libertarian lines.
tl;dr
Libertarianism has all the same vulnerabilities to subversion that liberalism has. It's immature wishful thinking, of the same quality as the "everything is socially constructed" social creationists on the left
> teach men not to rape
> teach burglars not to steal
> teach nigs not to nig
> teach people not to violate the non-aggression principle
Yeah, that sounds lovely. We should do all those things within a high IQ population not suffering from MAOA gene poisoning. To maintain such a population we need some pretty powerful statists above us with a warrior culture and military hierarchy to protect the integrity of that libertarian-capable culture.
Sorry, reality is a bitch, conservative hippies; time to wake up and shake off the koolaid.
>>68096608
>You want the government to step into the economy and take something from someone else and give it to you, because you deserve it more.
I don't believe that peoples or cultures are interchangeable. I believe that communities have "rights," and that people have a right to shape their communities in a cohesive manner.
"Government" is a phantom; the question is whether or not people are even allowed to act collectively. Libertarians seem to despise collective action of this sort.
Too bad. You don't build great societies by adopting atomic individualism. All great societies have a collective substrate to them, which facilities the degree of unity required to create a coherent culture in the first place.
>>68095163
Libertarianism is the opposite of globalism
>>68097389
Not even a libertarian but a stormfag condescendingly lecturing others about how their ideals aren't actually going to be achieved in the modern world is priceless. Do you know how fucking ironic that is?
>>68097389
>teach men not to rape
>burglars not to steal
>nigs not to nig
People who want to teach men not to rape will have the freedom to, people who want to girls to dress modestly will have the freedom to, because it violates the non-aggression principle rapists will be hunted and imprisoned
In a libertarian society, people will try to do what they think will work. Instead of a huge government picking one strategy for everyone and sticking with it even when it doesn't work because politicians can't admit when they were wrong.
>>68094206
>How is Libertarian Nationalism not an oxymoron?
Nation =/= State, nor does libertarianism or individualism mean that "NO ONE IS EVER ALLOWED TO VIEW THINGS OR PEOPLE CATEGORICALLY, NOR WORK WITH OTHERS TOWARDS COMMON GOALS EVER" which a lot of the retards here evidently believe.
>>68097413
Individuals have rights. Communities don't, they're just collections of individuals who happen to share some common interest.
You're more than welcome to act collectively, that's what a business is. What you shouldn't be allowed to do is to call in the government as your enforcer in your competition with some other group, for the same reason that (to take an example from recent times) a Democratic administration shouldn't use the IRS to harass Republican political organizations with tax audits.
>>68097413
>Libertarians seem to despise collective action of this sort.
Very wrong friend, people always act collectively. Government gets in the way of people acting collectively (Communism/Socialism). The few who are politicians dictate the rules and what direction we go in.
>>68096174
>>68096311
>>68096372
>>68096795
Get a load of these faggots. Only reasons Ron Paul lost were mass media brainwash system for the retarded majority murrican sheeple and more importantly completely fraudulent electronical voting system with electoral machines/networks with confirmed backdoors... And they are run by israeli/jewish owned companies.
During the Paul / Romney vote there were huge numbers of missing votes with several 100%-Ron-Paul-win districts completely missing votes in the final count.
Your entire 'democratic' system is a bad joke and anyone who says anything else is a naive and should do some research on what kind of electronic bullshit is taking care of the votes. There will be no freedom or justice in america until the kakistocratic oligarchy is brought down
Libertarianism isn't incompatible with fascism. First and foremost you need to reject equality or be anti-egalitarian. Belief in equality is a leftist concept and if you reject it then you're already half way there. If you go for anti-egalitarianism you'll be for the reconstitution of hierarchy and authority through natural societal structures and institutions. For example the hierarchical structure of the family unit and extrapolate that over society as a whole. Now you're looking at a society organically structured around authoritarianism and respect for authority. People will fall in to their place in society whether that be at the top, middle or bottom.
Social conservationism is easy within a hierarchical society. It would naturally follow.
You can do it without a state, even or some form of government that is a lesser evil to democracy. Democracy is the most totalitarian form of government. To settle for a dictatorship would be more libertarian.
>>68094839
That is not true. Libertarians are not anarchists in America.
>>68096948
So do you think that Mexicans aren't a problem?
>>68097341
Dude you do realize that niggers predate welfare right? I know you are probably 14 years old but still try to have some historical perspective.
I firmly believe that fascism based on the principles of individualism and Libertarianism is the way of the future.
>>68098365
>Belief in equality is a leftist concept and if you reject it then you're already half way there.
well there's more than one kind of equality. The way it's usually formulated on the left is equality of outcome, ie the state taking things from the rich and giving them to the poor in various ways. Which I do reject. What I don't reject is equality of opportunity (the way it's commonly formulated on the right), and importantly equality in the sense of equal rights - the kind of things enumerated in the first ten amendments that the government should have no power to interfere with. This last bit especially is where the incompatibility of libertarianism with fascism begins. The road it leads down is the divergence between a strong state with a major role in people's lives (fascism) and a weak state that stays out of people's lives (libertarianism)
>>68098564
No, I don't. Unironically.
>>68098564
>Dude you do realize that niggers predate welfare right? I know you are probably 14 years old but still try to have some historical perspective.
Now tell me how well they were doing, tell me how many were in white neighborhoods. Tell me how may could manage to raise 15 kids and not starve to death. And yet you have the audacity to tell me off. Get some historical perspective yourself bub
>>68098024
>Individuals have rights. Communities don't
I disagree. The very concept of "posterity" is exclusionary. Not just anyone can waltz into your homeland and settle down. It's for your progeny.
>>68094660
International trade is not bad. Globalism is only bad when a nation throws away it's sovereignty in an allegiance
>>68098910
They can and did raise large families. That is a fact. If your logic was correct then niggers would have gone extinct in the South after slavery. Please reevaluate your reason and stay in school.
>>68098865
So in other words, not fascism?
>>68094136
Wtf? Libertarian nationalism? Isn't that just called patriotism? Nationalism is a form of conservatism, and libertarianism is a form of liberalism... What's wrong with you, anon?
>>68097687
> calls names
> can't argue points
you wouldn't recognize a national socialist if one crammed Mein Kampf down your throat and curb stomped you. Your non-argument means I win.
+1500 internets to me
>>68097898
>In a libertarian society
Try, for once, to imagine that there are people who disagree with your philosophy NOT because they misunderstand it, or because they never bothered to study it, but because they lived for a considerable number of years believing in it and advocating it, and trying to work toward it's realization, before realizing clearly why it was failing to materialize.
Libertarianism, like socialism, only ever works in a society that has already been structured and streamlined, homogenized sufficiently, and has a high enough average IQ to comprehend the rules. The minute if must confront enemies from without that do not obey libertarian principles, it's vulnerable. It can't organize or form the authoritarian structures mathematically necessary to articulate or steer large armies and defenses. This is why every primitive matriarchal libertarian hunter gatherer society fell to their neighboring hierarchical warrior cultures. It's why matriarchal cultures went extinct. Libertarianism is a matriarchal form of social organization, even if it doesn't claim to be one.
Hunter gatherers become slaves. If you actually care about libertarianism, study the history of slavery, conquest, and debt. If not, keep calling names and shilling for your fantasies online. It's not my problem what delusions you clutch despite all evidence to the contrary.
>>68094136
Once it stops being a masonic anti-social cuck tier meme ideology i.e. never.
>>68099013
>They can and did raise large families.
Only the successful ones, you don't need to be successful anymore
![pT58zex7c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DAcwMJo.jpg "pT58zex7c[1].jpg")
>>68097413
>All great societies have a collective substrate to them
Also you dodged the point
>>68098899
Reject both equality of outcome and equality of opportunity. Why should someone deserve the same opportunities for simply existing? Belief in equality of opportunity leads to equality of outcome, anyhow. It's a cancerous concept.
Most importantly, however, is that equality isn't real. It will never be real under any circumstances. America paints itself as a land of equality under the law at its most basic and that is hardly the case. Just look at Hillary Clinton. If you did a fraction of what she did you would be rotting in jail.
>>68098996
RESPONSIBLE trade isn't bad. For that you need government intervention. Trading away a nations strategic resources, or allowing predatory trade deals and unrestrained exploitation is bad.
>>68094206
The correct term would be constitutionalist
>>68099064
the term "liberalism" was adopted by lefties, and I don't think classical liberalism really dealt much with economics with the exception of Adam Smith.
This is what libertarian society ACTUALLY looks like: a bunch of atomized, neurotic cucks.
https://youtu.be/LPXnKY1-B8o
>>68099086
>It can't organize or form the authoritarian structures mathematically necessary to articulate or steer large armies and defenses against enemies from without that do not obey libertarian principles
You realize we're not talking about anarchy right? Minimal government =/= no government. We would still have a standing army
>>68099234
>Trading away a nations strategic resources, or allowing predatory trade deals and unrestrained exploitation is bad.
How would that happen? Why couldn't that be achieved in free market trade? People do not engage in trade unless they think they will get something out of it. Companies actually have a risk in trading internationally, how can you say government will do a more responsible job when they have nothing at risk?
>>68099234
What happens when the predators ARE the government? They will always infiltrate if you give government power over you
>>68099288
How does this relate to libertarianism at all
>>68099288
>zeitgeist
>not socialist commies
>>68099234
>"allowing"
>"predatory trade"
."unrestrained exploitation"
Communist detected. Fuck off.
>>68098983
At the risk of sounding a lot like the left, your ancestors waltzed into someone's homeland and settled down. So did mine. And if someone waltzes into our homeland today, and all he does is look for work and not commit crimes, why should we boot him out? We shouldn't.
>>68099234
Sounds uncontroversial when phrased that way, doesn't it? But how do you stop people who just don't want to have to bother competing in a free market from saying "b-but this is a strategic resource!" Who decides what is and isn't? Let trade happen, in whatever area. It wouldn't happen if both buyer and seller weren't both better off for it.
>>68099211
>Why should someone deserve the same opportunities for simply existing?
Same reason everyone starts from the same line in a race, even if you know who's better than who and who's going to win and lose. It doesn't lead to equality-of-outcome policies - boosting the slower guy by letting him start farther ahead. It just means you say "we're staying out of it and not playing favorites". Think of libertarianism as noninterventionism.
>>68099381
knows how this works
>>68099280
No, you're wrong. Liberals are actually right wing, as are conservatives, libertarianists, fascists, and my favorite, individualist anarchists, but commies, dems, socialist anarchists and Maoists are left.
>>68099334
>You realize we're not talking about anarchy right?
I know, listen more than you anticipate and rebut. Here's the snake eating it's tail; minarchists think they're significant deviations from anarchists, who thinks they're distinct from...etc, etc. What means do you have to regulate the structures that your neighbors form? Why did we start with minimal government, but it grew? Why does government always grow? Why do republics always become empires? Why do revolutions always turn into oppressive regimes?
These aren't new questions. These are ANCIENT questions. If you haven't studied history enough to be familiar with anacyclosis, Polybius, the Florentine Republic, etc, etc, etc, from Europe to Mesopotamia, to Sparta, to pre-Han China...
Modern Libertarians are only possible because of poor familiarity with ancient history.
> http://www.conservapedia.com/Anacyclosis
> http://anacyclosis.org/
IT WASN'T OUT OF PRIMITIVE IGNORANCE THAT ANCIENT SOCIETIES TOOK THE FORMS THEY TOOK.
Assuming otherwise is modern hubris.
>>68099698
I'm right and wrong at the same time. The term "liberal" was adopted by leftists, even though liberal means freedom, which leftists hate.
>>68099739
What exactly do you identify as?
>>68099334
Not all anarchy is no government. Some is no unjust government.
>>68099381
And how would a country without any economic oversight stop itself from being the victim of foreign powers? A companies primary motivation is profit, isn't it? What if the most profit can be achieved by wholesale exploitation of a nations resources for the benefit of another nation?
What if China buys up a major mining company, imports chinese workers to staff it, and sells all of the extracted resources exclusively to chinese owned manufacturers. The nation gets no benefit from this trade, but the company responsible still gets paid. How can you say this is acceptable?
>>68099916
Thank you! You, sir, are a gent and a s(chola)ir!
>>68094206
It's not. A libertarian could easily argue that a country needs to actually BE a country in order for its residents to enjoy the benefits of libertarianism.
>>68100056
>Somebody sold their stuff to foreighners waaaah
>We didn't tax it to feed niggers waaaaah
#feelthebern
>>68099086
Well said, sir, well said.
>>68100159
They'd very rapidly leave themselves open to accusations that to maintain Libertarianism you'd have to adopt clearly non-Libertarian stances.
>>68100159
Not really, the idea behind nationalism is that your country is better than others, but libertarians normally believe we are all equal in value, which is why we have equal rights.
Libertarian here.
Most of us have migrated to other chans because /pol/ was become flooded with Facebook-tier Republicans who genuinely think hating Muslims and loving Jesus is all there is to being, "red pilled"
>>68099660
>how do you stop people who just don't want to have to bother competing in a free market from saying "b-but this is a strategic resource!" Who decides what is and isn't?
Is it vital to the well-being of the nation? Does not having control over it weaken the nations position? Make it reliant on another power? There are some resources that are obviously strategic: uranium for example, the energy sector is another. It is vital that these resources and industries remain under the control of the nation lest the nation be left vulnerable.
> It wouldn't happen if both buyer and seller weren't both better off for it.
Both buyer and seller can both be controlled by the same interest or party. Libertarianism would only work if the entire world was libertarian.
>>68094136
/pol/ has been over run with newfags in the last few years that's what happened.
The non ironic christfags/stormftonts are the worst of the bunch though. I'm glad there was at least a short reprieve with them fucking off to cripplechan for a while after moot cucked the board. They're coming back though because that website is dead and bringing their cancer with them.
>>68100451
Wtf? I've been on this board for 4 weeks, haven't seen anything like that...
>>68099739
>Protect the middle class
>please fund us
I read of the second site. I think the hive-mind of free will of the people is the ultimate direct democracy. The site talks about protecting the middle class but how do they intend to do that? You say I don't know enough about history but the references you gave me asked for money so they could better research history
>>68100056
>And how would a country without any economic oversight stop itself from being the victim of foreign powers?
The free market.
>What if China buys up a major mining company, imports chinese workers to staff it, and sells all of the extracted resources exclusively to chinese owned manufacturers. The nation gets no benefit from this trade, but the company responsible still gets paid. How can you say this is acceptable?
That would be highly expensive. China would have to pay the workers wages, their food, their housing, their importation, it would actually cost a lot to do that.
But let's say this situation happens. The US will receive benefits from this. The money will find it's way back through international trade in the form of exports, and the food, housing, and other costs China has to pay. Another benefit, those manufacturers you pointed out (this situation wouldn't really happen even if China bought a mine here because sending people/resources to a foreign mine in order to send those resources back to fucking China so they can then export shit is ridiculous and wouldn't happen, especially because their exports made with those resources would have to be very expensive to justify all the shit they did, so they couldn't even compete with other businesses) would sell their exports to the US too.
>>68100598
Lol except I'm special newfag
I was in middle school when Ron Paul ran in 2008.
How did so many people become so infatuated with libertarianism? It seems like an aberration.
>>68100598
/pol/ is a Christian board, please gtfo.
>>68100703
>why would people want individual freedom?
gee, I dunno.
>>68100601
>4 weeks
lurk you fuck
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>68100056
Also, before you say it, I don't really care if our businesses abuse the labor of other countries. In a lot of cases outsourcing benefits both countries by providing cheap products for the companies home country and providing work for the foreign country.
>>68100754
Fuck off, /pol/ is a multicultural board of peace
t. Californian libertarian vegan atheist (literally)
>>68100864
>vegan
>>68100796
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>68100754
Did you start posting after 2012? I'm genuinely curious.
>>68100789
What was so un-free about your lives before 2008? And how is that feeling nowadays?
>>68099660
>And if someone waltzes into our homeland today, and all he does is look for work and not commit crimes, why should we boot him out?
Because my guiding moral principle is stability and the defense of posterity, and that is best-defended with a degree of insularity. I'm not actually arguing for a North Korean-style form of isolation, but rather, strict limitations, which would have to be administered centrally in order to ensure their application nationwide.
I don't regard moral revanchism or "turnabout is fair play" as useful social principles. I have no desire to cuck myself for past sins.
Let's say we allow open immigration, and a certain immigrant group forms its own enclosed community, with its own values, its own systems of moral suasion, and so forth. Which do not necessarily include any libertarian principles at all.
Now we have created a tumorous social node within our own society, whose language we may not understand, and whose violations of the NAP we have no chance of effectively dissuading, at least internally to that community.
There's no reason this WOULDN'T happen, and in fact, the lack of state welfare provisions actually makes it more likely, since welfare could still be parceled out through (for example) religious authorities within that insular community.
There's also a symmetry problem, in the sense that the nations of origin of our immigrants would almost certainly NOT extend us the same residential privileges.
If a landowner in our libertarian system decides to import a bunch of Somalis who proceed to shit things up in my area, I don't have the option of trying my luck over in Somalia. Not that I'd want to do that, but it illustrates the unilateral nature of this arrangement.
>>68100451
Does cripple chan have a libertarian board
>>68094983
But that's wrong.
People will still immigrate/emigrate to/from places they thing have/don't have opportunity.
r. a libertarian
>>68096128
The fuck? Sounds like storytime.
>>68100997
If you don't want immigrants to take jobs then don't hire them.
>waaaah I don't get to bully other people and make decisions for them
If people hired a bunch of somalis they will get raped and murdered. Then those somalis will be executed
>>68100864
>/pol/ is a multicultural board of peace
>>68096189
>The job of government doesn't include protecting you from competition with other workers
>what is the private sector and free market taking steps to make things work for itself
It's like you can't even conceive of a world where the government doesn't have its sticky fucking fingers in everything. No free thought, let big brother do it all for us.
>>68097171
>libertarian
>globalist
Want to know how I know you're mentally challenged?
>>68094983
Nah buddy.
If we still had freedom of association and they could legally tell niggers to GTFO and go buy their their nigger groceries in the land of niggeds instead of being forced to tolerate their merchandise growing legs and constantly walking out the front door, the poor niggers would have found themselves actually living in ghettos and having something to bitch and moan about. Faggots would still be in the closet too.
These guys genuinely mistake the way they force themselves onto everyone at the threat of lawsuits for actual tolerance.
>>68099108
>Norway
>banting about cucks
>>68100619
>You say I don't know enough about history but the references you gave me asked for money so they could better research history
Obviously, that means you should discard Polybius and the concept of Anacyclosis. I wish there was a charge for every time sometime typed useless lines of text unironically to wiggle out of having to confront concepts. It would seriously delimit the amount of useless shit polluting the board.
POO IN LOO not in post
>>68094983
even stupid people have much better job opportunities and life prospects in smart countries, but if enough immigrate the average will be dragged down
Libertarianism was never meant to be corporatist, globalist, open borders.
You always used the state to give a slight edge over foreign competition, the state always secured the border so as to not drive down the value of labor
Goldwater would be rolling in his grave over this shit
>>68101769
>Obviously, that means you should discard Polybius and the concept of Anacyclosis.
Friend I"m not trying to discard your notions, I am merely trying to get a better understanding and to give an opinion of my own. Honestly Polybius and anacyclosis are things I should be more familiar with but I am not. The first site you linked was down and the second didn't have much to go on. If you have any reading material you would like to recommend I will give it an honest look over
People (like me) grew up and saw past "dude free markets will fix everything lmao" and stopped making the state a boogeyman
With the current situations in western nations, we need nationalism now more than ever.
>>68102119
Your right, we need more windfarm subsidies and more taxes on CO2 emissions
>tfw the state will pay 10,000 of tax payer money to help me buy a car if it's electric
>>68102119
>and stopped making the state a boogeyman
it sure acts like one.
>>68102119
>getting cucked by the government is a sign of maturity
This retarded meme is older than God and yet it never actually wins anyone over.
The truth is more like,"I got tired of resisting the bootlickers and getting forced to do things so I just went along with them cuz I'm too old for this shit."
>>68101807
>>68094136
Libertarian here
>>68094206
nationalism does not need to be authoritarian
>>68094236
The delusion of you people is unreal. It's like the black people who thought all their problems would be solved and they would live live kings when Obama got elected.
A lot of these people are still Libertarian at heart, but eventually it occurred to them that if they're not prepared to back up their ideology with a musket and handcannon and run the government off every single day of their lives then there is no point in whining about the government.
>>68103705
and why is that?
Because from now until armageddon, there will always be people willing to pay the government to provide them the social and physical protection that they are too mentally and physically weak to provide themselves...
>>68104232
To be completely blunt about it though, depending on the board you can get a 24 hour ban just for saying something positive about Trump, and at the very least you will get >>>/pol/ spammed at you 20 times.
That's who sent them here.
>>68098270
Underrated post
>>68102069
>The first site you linked was down and the second didn't have much to go on.
Google is your friend. I'm sure they have a buy button hidden somewhere, though; you might not want to try it for that reason.
;^)
