Why do so many kids like Bernie Sanders, /pol/?
Because he's basically a School President who promises less homework and more recess.
Because kids are stupid and can't think ahead, I'm only 18 and even I realize that.
Haven't been screwed over by people they've invested their trust in yet.
>>68057747
Colleges brainwash kids to be little leftists from the beginning
Bernie also promises free shit
>>68058039
Shut up kike
>>68058039
This, they want the government to be their father, and think he is nothing but a nice old man.
He actually seems to care about them.
>>68057747
underage b& all have cell phones these days and use them to post on 4chan.
Serious answer: because he's one of the only candidates (and the only candidate running) who cares about issues such as education and jobs for young people.
Hillary is a fake and younger people have much better bullshit detectors than we are led to believe.
What exactly is wrong with "free" college?
free shit
>>68058319
0/10
Only NEETs like trump because they have never worked a day in their life
>>68058297
This Canadian shill again
>>68058319
>free
he promises free stuff, he is like santa claus
>>68057747
DUDE
FREE SHIT
LMAO
>>68058489
I answered OP's question. Want to add something of value to the discussion?
Because kids are idealistic and naive
>>68058319
It doesn't exist to start with.
Most of my old "Friends" support the old Jew. Literally because Dude Weed, Lmao and I am in dept please pay for my college. They also never were into politics before him and always spoted kike bullshit
>>68058437
Legit question, we have free college here in France and so far it's been working pretty nice.
>>68058640
spouted, my bad pham
>>68058039
Or maybe you're just retarded and vote based on what you think you're going to have some day when in reality you're going to be right where you are now in 30 years, living in your parents basement posting on 4chan
I'd really like to try the Bernie Beer.
>>68057747
If you ever tried the spicy buffallo wings you would know :)
>>68057873
first fucking post best fucking post
>>68058808
I live upstairs anon.
>>68058612
I called you out for being that Goddam Canadian Bernie shill.
That is the value I added you cocksucker. Now go fuck yourself and worry about some irrelevant Canadian shit.
>>68057747
Young people are gullible and quick to latch on to anyone preaching "progress" because they have nothing to lose.
>>68057747
He's the anti-establishment candidate.
I know a lot of Ron Paul supporters who are berniefags now.
Pisses me off.
>>68059025
>career politician
>anti-establishment
kek'd heartily
>>68058918
>that Goddam Canadian Bernie shill
I rarely post here, so no, I'm not him. Please shitpost elsewhere.
>>68058671
Do the professors work for free?!!
>>68058319
"Socialism" boogieman. The affluent and media have made sure commoners believe anything that actually benefits them is bad and their pipe dreams of being rich and free will never be fulfilled if they don't resist.
>>68058908
im all for free speech, but why are we letting this kike just continue to spew?
>>68057747
YOUR ANSWER IS HERE
>>68057873
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>>68058437
>>68058539
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>>68058671
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>>68059255
Right because calling socialist policies socialist is creating a boogieman. Ever thought that maybe people don't like the gubbermint taking most of their money to pay for other people's shit?
>>68059204
Wouldn't you say that it's a good way to spend taxpayers money?
>>68059105
Nice try, YOU shitpost elsewhere
>>68058319
Free is bad in America because just about the whole point of higher education is getting the marketable skills to land a job making 60, 80, 100, or more thousand dollars a year.
The school loans get paid off relatively quickly after the job is landed.
And then people get the rest of their lives to enjoy a pretty high income for themselves and their family, which is only better if taxes are low.
But with free education, essentially, people will be :paying off" student loans in the form of much higher taxes for the rest of their lives. In order to pay for the schooling of everyone that comes after them.
Which only gets worse once all the art degree kiddies start going wild and leaching off the system.
Free education just doesn't produce a higher quality pupil/product at the end of it all because socialism ignores human action and motivation completely. Not to mention essentially demotivating people from working harder to get more.
>>68057747
because theyre incredibly entitled and would rather have everything handed to them rather than work for it
>>680589>>68059204
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>Do the professors work for free?!!
I hope this isn't a serious question. Do you realize who pays public school teachers/cc professors already, don't you?
They are ALREADY being payed by the government (FEDERAL GRANTS, FEDERAL LOANS) which is what the majority of students go to college on.
Why not just skip given then money to the student and just... Let them go for free.. Then at least niggers won't be able to spend federal aid on 400 dollar Dre headphones in the book store.
cucks who decided to go to shitty schools with massive loans and realized in hindsight everyone else should pay for their mistake
>>68059461
I don't think that's the role of government in the first place.
>>68059449
You're paying for niggers in jail, paying for your kids college isn't the end of the world.
I'll break it down for you.
There are two authentic candidates in the race. They are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. Everybody else is a corporate puppet who answers to donors and not voters and espouses an agenda for donors and not voters.
Sanders is more popular than Trump because the millenial generation is extremely liberal according to polling down by Republican Frank Luntz.
Everybody is tired of corporations buying politicians and the message which really resonates with young people is the idea of breaking up Wall Street's outsized influence in politics. Sanders' campaign is a progressive sequel to the dismal failure that was called "Occupy Wall Street."
Free college education and legalization of marijuana are also enormously popular policies among the younger generation because they directly concern them, even though most have not bothered to consider the costs of these policies.
>>68060121
>two wrongs makes a right
Great logic
>>68059449
>Ever thought that maybe people don't like the gubbermint taking most of their money to pay for other people's shit?
What government in a developed country takes most of people's money?
What government in a developed country doesn't provide helpful services for that money?
Do you realize you already pay for "other people's shit" and you also benefit from other people paying for your stupid ass?
Why do you lack a sense of community?
>>68057747
Because he seems like a person who can be trusted to improve the country's education. Most other candidates focus more on
>Muh security
>It's the Jews and the Muslims' fault
>Muh equality
>>68060252
>Improve the country
>By ignoring basic logic and economics
The real reason is because children are the only ones dumb enough to think his ideas work.
>>68060224
Waiting eight hours in line to get attended at a "single payer" hospital sure is beneficial.
>>68060224
There's a difference between paying a little bit of tax and literally destroying incentives for businesses to exist in a country.
>>68058319
Muh economics.
Thanks to that instead of keeping colleges as places to exercise critical thinking, study philosophy, and learn science they just became gateways to jobs. Then instead of being places of learning they became businesses, corrupting them in their pursuit of profits was effortless for the elite.
Because he is a very clever philosopher.
>>68060630
Public Universities aren't so much for profit(they still pay salaries of course but that's only logical).
So that argument is retarded.
>>68057747
Because it's what everyone else is doing. You want to fit in, don't you?
>>68060787
fuck off you candian cancer
>>68060224
>collectivist crap
The only people who give a shit about "a sense of community" or whatever that means are the people who want to take more than they give to it.
>>68060787
>state run
>state funded
It goes without saying the state has already been bought off by the elite.
>>68057747
Because it's their future and they don't want to live in a Trump Dictatorship.
>>68060442
Then go somewhere else.
>>68060565
>literally destroying incentives for businesses to exist in a country
Expand on that. Sounds like fearmongering.
>>68060964
Individualist nonsense. You sound antisocial.
>>68059256
Don't disrespect my greatest ally you faggot
How's it feel to know that you guys are wrong?
Economist Robert Reich has successfully debunked all Bernie misconceptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXKLa2zfoTk
>>68060224
Welfare completely destroys, obliterates any sense of community, and replaces it with entitlement on one side and resentment on the other.
Do you think communist countries have a great sense of community?
>>68060439
>>Improve the country
>>By ignoring basic logic and economics
>The real reason is because children are the only ones dumb enough to think his ideas work.
Or they can be more like you and fall under the very definition of insanity by voting for anyone other than Trump or Sanders and expect things to change with... Hillary?
His ideas do work, you're just to fucking dumb to realize this.
>>68061250
There's a difference between putting in a small amount towards a few things which benefit EVERYONE and putting in a lot towards many things which benefit a few
They see him as consistent, genuine, and caring. He is against America's global hegemony which reflects the views of those who grew up during Dubyas term.
Also, the propaganda of the Cold War is wearing off and America's younger generations are overwhelmingly leftist. It's becoming more pronounced. Prepare yourselves.
>>68061904
>propaganda of the Cold War
You mean the horrors of the reality of communism/extreme leftism?
>>68062239
Yeah it really wasn't even propaganda it was just literal facts about the ideology and how it works at a basic level. Now our schools are filled with "democratic socialists" and other weak willed communist sympathizer degenerates and losers. Filth.
>>68061047
So what's your solution?
You seem to be impossible to please.
>University is private
>DatZz wrong fuk da elite
>University is public and subsidized
>Dstzzzz also wrong
>>68058908
Youre going to have a lot more fun here playing the role of /pol/'s interpretation of an evil jew just because of your flag. Dont let that flag go to waste anon
>>68058445
Oh yeah? I have 15 years seniority as a union autoworker for Ford and im voting Trump.
>>68062776
I want them to be not for profit organizations that are not owned by the state. I want them to focus on real education and not chasing shekels by shoveling people through 'higher ed' for pieces of paper.
Wow that was fucking hard to figure out.
>>68057747
Forced meme.
>>68058445
You mean Bernie,
>>68060155
>Sanders is more popular than Trump
ha ha ha
>>68062456
Because the "Republican utopia" worked so well in Kansas and Louisiana.
I mean! I know I am better off working for $12.00 per hour now as I was working for $12.00 per hour in 1985, what with the price of a fast food lunch going for $1 then as opposed to what, $9 now?
And rent! That's stayed the same...errr lets see $99 per month in 1985 to what $700 now?
The only difference between communism and capitalism is that the commies were smart enough to know they were being screwed, and 30 years later the Americans are still in the dark...
Hey
>>68060155
But Sanders isnt more popular than Trump, Sanders isnt even going to beat Hillary despite what seems to be a big following for Sanders. All over twitter, reddit and facebook its pretty much nothing but Sanders supporters. But yet, why isnt he way ahead of Hillary? Its because Sanders doesnt have the backing people want you to think.
>>68061278
>Robert Reich
/pol/ is right again.
>>68063256
That's your fault for majoring in something stupid and/or not acquiring the proper skills needed to climb up the ladder.
>>68062954
Why can't they do both?
Who will fund the universities if they're not owned by the state? You don't want them private NOR public... How is that possible?
Explain to me how university would work in your head then.
>>68062239
>>68062456
Nothing is as condemnable as being intellectually dishonest. Bernie's socialism is no where near as bad as the USSR or China's communism. You are as bad as people saying Trump is like Hitler.
>>68062954
Also what do you define as "real education"? What does that even mean?
That's just an arbitrary measure, do you think current universities teach "meme subjects" like sciences and math?
>>68063256
The ironic part is $12 an hour goes a lot further in Republican Louisiana than it does in Democratic NYC and rent's a lot cheaper too.
>>68063413
Note that none of the videos allow comments. It is true that wages haven't kept up with inflation though.
>>68058319
Because your "free" colleges all turn out to be shit
All the best universities in the world are in the USA
>>68062954
And yet we pay for k-12 for everyone but now you Republicans want to privatize that?
You know what is frustrating for those of us who actually can think, is that your rage is spot on - crony capitalism, corruption, incompetence - but your target is sooooo completely off kilter - commies, abortion clinics, immigrants, trade deals.....
You are like a retarded divining rod that points to sand.
>>68061394
Robert Reich is NOT an economist
>>68063785
How is he not an economist?
>>68063785
oops, meant to reply to >>68061278
>>68057873
Wow that's perfect
>>68063442
I want them to be private, I just don't want them to make a profit. The function they serve is not better served by them pursuing profits.
>>68057747
Because people have no work ethic and they think if something can't be done easily then it can't be done.
The truth is if you study stupid things in college you probably won't find a job in that field. People don't like that they can't just do whatever they want.
It is pure laziness and selfishness.
>>68062239
No, they still teach history. I'm talking about shit like Reagan telling the drooling masses "socialism will never work because when the state helps people secure basic needs they stop dreaming!!"
>>68063862
What incentive is there for someone to put effort into ensuring a top-quality University if he is not compensated financially?
Do you believe deans, profs and faculty do not deserve a good salary? Good luck finding anyone to teach at your university then.
>>68064038
they're all not real?
>>68063641
I want them to teach what I mentioned before: critical thinking, philosophy and sciences. I don't want them to be what they have become, I don't want indoctrination centers or gatekeepers for jobs.
>>68064137
What about accounting?
>>68058445
ive worked shitty jobs at packing houses and factories(which had half the workers illegals abusing overtime). voting for trump to kick these guys out and let in other people who are struggling to find 40hour jobs. also fuck that snake criminal hillary, sander's shit does seem well intended tho desu senpai
>>68064038
>mfw Bernie doesn't actually exist
>>68063669
And it's not just university. Most of the world's medical breakthroughs, wonder drugs, etc. come from the US as well (consider how many Nobel Prizes in physiology or medicine the US has versus the rest of the world combined).
For-profit is a necessary evil needed. Government-sponsored tax-funded "free" anything is usually worse than leaving it to the free market.
Bernie Sanders's free college and free healthcare platform sounds promising until you don't consider the fact that the entire world's standard of education and medicine will stagnate. Other countries can provide free shit because the US doesn't.
>>68057747
Because he is not like the typical politicians that you have. He is an idealist and not an abrasive right wing nut.
And an idealist that isn't a complete and total fucking sellout to big business, like literally female hitler, or mr small loan of a million dollars man.
>>68064137
They already teach those tho.
If you major in STEM or Business you don't have any SJW-tier courses
>>68063422
Ahhhh ... The old "It must be your fault" gag...
I have a masters in statistics, and was a transportation analyst until I became a whistleblower, reporting on over $25M in losses each year from the government agency I ratted out.
Now I had to go back to driving, which was the job I had back in 1985.
This society is fucked beyond recognition. Your government is totally corrupt.
But this isn't the problem with the system, per se; It is a problem with who is in the system.
And I can say with no equivocation:
The Problem person is always a conservative.
The fact that you all support that con artist TRUMP just proves to me that there is no solution to the crisis until all conservatives, and their science denying, dog whistle listening, ass kissing, sycophantic, ideological dogmatic hierarchical magical thinking hive mind are driven from government.
>>68064312
>>68064111
Exactly.
Bernie is a badly drawn cartoon of a 1960's Socialist.
>>68063679
>make education more public, private education isn't fair!
>public education is trash because the government can't run shit
>private education is always superior because competition
>lets make everything shit so its fair
Yes, it turns out the problem is commies
>>68064063
>Because darn it, 100 + years of misery, mass murder and failure on the part of Muh Socialism means nothing!
Kill yourself.
>>68064456
Sounds like you didn't look hard enough. You have a masters in statistics and seem to have adequate work experience. You certainly could have found another analyst position.
>>68057747
They want everything handed to them for free. Until they grow up, kids don't know shit and they're opinion should be disregarded
>>68058445
>klein
>>68063679
>republican
>me
I am a true progressive actually.
K-12 is better served by services like Khan Academy. They can do it better than the public education system and at very low operating costs. The only role a K-12 teacher has is encouraging the students, basically supervisory.
Communism was a mistake
>>68064672
This.
You must be a colossal fuckup. Stats majors are HOT right now. Very easy to get a good job.
>>68064456
Obama has been president for 8 years, is he a conservative too?
>>68064456
Smells like bs, you were probably incompetant- liberals are the absolute worst at interpreting statistics. This country is shit because the federal government was allowed to get too big, and its always been liberals who pushed for expanding the feds and minimizing states rights
Get gulag'd Ivan
>>68064456
You know trump probably wouldn't be half as bad. if he's actually the candidate for the republicans he'll tone down his shittery a lot to be more appealing to the masses. And in office he probably can't be a complete loon either.
At the same time while sanders would be glorious, he is too much of an idealist for me to be able to believe that he could get the US out of the economic shit it is in.
Plus literally all of the candidates are utter shit this time, because none of them seek middle ground and none of them support the space program 100% either.
>>68063540
I disagree. Bernie Sanders was for sanctions that starved hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to death. He.
A Socialist who likes starving children to death? I'd say he's right on par with the old boys, he just hasn't had a chance to fuck up a real country yet.
>>68058039
YOU JUST WANT GOLD
>>68059255
Great, now tell me how what you're talking about relates to so called free college, which does not benefit me because I am smarter than 99% of people and am able to get scholarships because I actually deserve extended education, and does not benefit anyone except the retards that can't afford to pay for their education which they don't deserve, need, or even have the intelligence and drive to back up in an actual employment settting?
You people are seriously fucking retarded. I'm almost inclined to believe you're trying to justify leaching off of and stealing the money of taxpayers just so you don't have to pay for your literal stupid and inferior asses to get an education you don't deserve, and may not even be able to back up in a real world setting in any case, especially with the increased competition of people with advanced education.
Kids believe in Santa Claus
>>68064581
>because the government can't run shit
that's because the current government is geared towards the idea that everyone worthwhile is going to get private education anyway and fails to see the problem that some of the best minds of our generation might be lost to shitty public education because they weren't born into the right circumstances
>>68065065
We will take your gold with or without Sanders.
From what do you think we make menorahs GOY?
>>68064079
Believe it or not there are things in this world that human beings value more than shekels.
It's also been documented that people who are motivated only by shekels often perform worse in many endeavors. https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation?language=en
>>68064822
who dat isreal
Also why do you have so many fuckingmachines webms
>>68057747
dude free shit lmao
>>68065353
Because it reminds us of how hard we fucked Europe. :D
Bernie has a solid voting record
voting against
international trade act or whatever the fuck, one of the reasons for no jobs "lol".
I wouldn't call him progressive minus a few bullpoints he votes for shit that makes sense and thats why I like him
I make 50-70k a year so pipe down turds
>>68064664
There was never a Communist movement gaining too much traction in America. The fear of it was enough to allow our corporate overlords to drive any sign of leftism out. They killed the labor movement, deregulated the financial sector, and de-legitimized opposition to free trade and American imperialism. Now if you can't see how fucked everything is you're beyond hope. But cling to the 'BUT SOCIALISM = STALIN MAO POL POT ETC' narrative if it makes you feel good. Just don't be surprised when America is surpassed in every way.
>>68064063
Coincidentally the country stopped dreaming after the fall of the USSR. Just look at our lack of progress in space exploration compared with the massive rapid progress before the fall.
>>68058671
Only 2 French universities are in the top 100!!
We have "free" college too. But you have to pay €2,500 to register each year. The income tax rate is c. 51% over €30k and the VAT is 23%.
>>68065513
>Mongoloid noises.
For the sake of our species, kill yourself.
>>68065214
They aren't lost to shitty public education, they're lost to shitty households. We've experimented multiple times with increasing the funding of public school systems--at times on an epic scale, as in Kansas City--and every time, it has a negligible effect on the actual grades and performance of the students.
Good education starts at home. The school cannot make a child care about his future.
>>68065500
The only thing solid about his voting record is that it's 97% identical to Hillary Clinton's. He was also totally for sanctioning Iraq (killing hundreds of thousands of people as he did) and even affecting regime change in Iraq--before 9/11. He's a two-faced snake and a liar.
>>68064822
you're like a tripfag
>the year is 2020
>make $16 an hour before Bernie became president
>After becoming president, Bernie makes federal minimum wage $15
>food, gas, rent, clothing all becoming immediately more expensive, but I make the same amount of money
>can't get a better job because now 50+ million kids have free college degrees, increasing competition 100 fold
>can't get into free college because 80% of slots are reserved for people of color - if the quota isn't met by American minorities, they ship in shitskins from around the world to fill the slots
>all white collar wages plummet, especially STEM - software engineer can now only make $15 an hour, and that's only because it's minimum wage
>can't go out at night because Bernie immediately released 70% of niggers from jail after being sworn in (this is one of the campaign promises that gave him a surprise victory)
>can't go out during the day because the public space was legally classified as a 'safe zone' during daytime hours
>No cis white males allowed out during safe zone hours
>this is the future reddit chose for us
>>68065041
So GWB and the the neocons were actually implementing a secret authoritarian Communist agenda post-9/11... interesting (bullshit) theory you've got there.
>>68065214
The dont fail to see the problem they created it, public school exists to condition lower/middle class children to associate learning with obedience/boredom and other assorted brainwashimg techniques. The feds are actively malevolent and neo-liberal federalism is what made it possible. Give education back to states/private sector entirely and you'll see results (also segregate niggers)
>>68064221
I don't think universities need to teach people how to use spreadsheets and calculators. It should be covered in a basic education K-12 equivalent.
Theoretical mathematics was covered under the sciences by the way.
>>68065728
>Implying people can afford rent now
>>68064392
Good, that's all they should be teaching.
>>68065672
Seems you can't hang. Your political cartoon is bad and your rhetoric is Trump-level bad.
>>68065699
>The school cannot make a child care about his future.
which is why it would take at least a generation of correct schooling to actually affect anything
the current generation might not care about their grades but they will grow up with MORE than just the opinion of their family about this in their heads.
they will have the opportunity to not push the "not caring about the future" thing on to future generations because they will at least have KNOWN an alternative.
>>68065728
What an enlightened prediction. Write a book about it and you could be on Hannity. Be sure to do no research.
>>68064456
>science denying
Reminder that according to liberals race is a social construct.
Not saying Republicans aren't as bad but as I said earlier I hate intellectual dishonesty.
>>68065746
Communist, no, but a secret authoritarian world government was exactly what they intended to implement, yes.
Bernie Sanders is not a magical nice old guy who wants to help people, he's has been totally complicit with multiple mass-murderers and is an otherwise fairly unremarkable Democrat.
>>68066128
Oh great, more liberals who think they're going to save the world. That's exactly what we need.
>>68066015
>I r weetaded.
We get it. You are a nigger and want free shit.
Tell ya what, faggot. Go buy a gun and rob folks in person for your own self.
>>68065513
>there was never a communist movement in america
>we are descending into a communist nightmare as we speak
Yea m8 no subversion here, good ol fashioned American ideals like meritocracy and being entitled to the sweat on your brow are the dominant trains of thought, certainly no universities brainwashing the youth with communist propaganda, no siree were living the dream
>>68066296
You can't be American and not be complicit with multiple mass-murders.
>>68065699
I would like to see you backup your statistics for starters, and at the end of the day I would tell the occasional two face over a consistent one and one that has no face at all.
You also need to stop cherry picking, especially so considering it education. Look at K-12 to gain some insight. I will ,however, agree with you on your point that education starts in the household but in the current climate its oxymoron to say that trying to improve schools will somehow negatively impact learning. Another good example is Minnesota.
>>68057747
Because, like Bernie, they've never worked a day in their lives.
>>68057747
They're naive and innocent. They don't know how the real world works or they don't want to admit it isn't the happy place from all their childhood stories.
>>68066446
>I hate mean old America!
Here we go folks. Sit back and watch him go full retard.
I have a difficult time figuring it out too, their supporters are like 4chan as they see it. Consists of only memes and feel goods on the social cause then act like degenerates when pushed on the subject.
Kids are fucking retarded and think "free" = better.
>>68059256
>greatest ally
>>68065756
>neo-liberal federalism is what made it possible. Give education back to states/private sector entirely
Which is exactly what neo liberalism is about.
You cannot expect that people controlling MONEY will suddenly stop caring about money and start caring about what the people they are supposed to be educating achieve.
that is only possible if people like that are fired.
>>68066296
>Oh great, more liberals who think they're going to save the world. That's exactly what we need.
Oh great, more libertarians who think they're going to save the world. That's exactly what we need.
And besides, no one is talking about saving the world, we're talking about not running it further into the dirt.
No control capitalism is what got us so far that a single interest group can control most of the world's wealth and dictate policy to Israel and the US.
>we don't have the reins of the economy in our hands and the horses are starting to go off road.
>i know, let's throw the reins away completely, that is sure to fix things right up!
You're the same as the fucking communists, except with capitalism.
>>68066128
You still seem to think education policy matters, if a child grows up in a healthy nuclear family they will develop a natural thirst for knowledge and pursue their interests. No amount of state conditioning can make a child want to do it, it has to come from their parents
>>68062871
Voting to save your job? Can't blame you.
>>68066580
and it's that way because shit people like trump would make it that way
also i am amazed at the utter hypocrisy that it takes to portray mr "small loan of a million dollars, reality TV star" trump as "one of the people"
>>68066783
>You still seem to think education policy matters,
No matter if the family is healthy, if you can't fucking afford higher education.
Look at where the larger part of the population has actually valuable degrees. It's all places where higher education is free and school education highly scrutinized.
>>68065041
>that appeal to emotions
Are you a leftist?
Sanctions are terrible method of imposing the government's will on other countries for exactly the reason you mentioned. They are also standard procedure however, used with no remorse by politicians who are not socialists as well.
>>68063388
honestly I act like a bernie supporter around my friends, but I voted trump. I don't want to start drama, or anything, i'd rather let my vote speak for me.
>>68066580
how Based is your country anon?
>>68061107
Nice bait
>>68067013
>Because a degree in Womynz Studies and Nigger History matters!
Are really this retarded?
>>68057873
>>68066717
You have no idea how a free market works. Private schools are better because they have to compete with each other, and their potential customers can choose which school they want to send their kids to based on the results that school achieves- so the more successful a school is the more money it makes, so yes capitalism is a more efficient way of running almost any enterprise.
With socialised schooling schools get more money the LESS successful they are, everyone sinks to the lowest common denominator and we end up dumber than 29 other countries
>>68067143
>puerto rico
who?
>Bernie dominating in support from union members
>Never worked a day in their lives
I wonder how you fools got to this board from the Fox News comments.
>>68067013
First of all you dont need higher education for many viable fields and trades. Second, if they're pursuing one that does and they're any good at it they can get a scholarship (meritocracy)- and if their family has been responsible with their money they could use it to educate their children, provided liberals havent taken 30% of it and given it to niggers
Just because you basement dwellers won't use a free education doesn't mean the rest of functioning society won't
>>68057873
Nice meme. False analogy and everything. You could get a sick chain email going in the conservative christian circles.
>>68065728
>>food, gas, rent, clothing all becoming immediately more expensive, but I make the same amount of money
>>68067167
Oh come on. Look at where those SJW uni protests started.
>hint: it was private universities in america
because if you are the customer you get to dictate.
which is why people shouldn't be customers of a place trying to educate them.
>>68067346
>You have no idea how a free market works.
a) see above
b) collusion doesn't exist right? no way corporations would band together to sell shit products at higher prices, and buy up all the resources to snuff out competition, especially when free market is not controlled as is the libertarian ideal
c) if you think that giving people education is an "enterprise" and not a basic need of any country that wants to continue existing, you need to rethink your life.
d) why would unsuccessful schools get more money in a public system?
>>68067647
>don't need higher education for lots of things
you seem to be stuck in 1970. welcome to the 21st century.
also, yeah let's loose countless people with tremendous potential to menial jobs, because they never had a chance to show their talent to the nation. And subsequently because we don't have enough professionals let's import them from abroad, (where college level education is free)
GENIUS!
>>68067688
I earned my education, I didn't hold my hands out and expect it to be given to me. I'll be damned if the money i make with the labor enabled by that education is going to starqueesha's women's studies degree so she can go right back to popping kids out on welfare afterwards
>>68058671
Isn't admission to college in France restricted in some way?
I remember reading somewhere that the decision of whether or not you are allowed to continue on to higher education is made while you're in high school.
>>68067346
Sounds like an Econ-major level of detachment from reality. The countries that dominate the US in education have strong public school systems. Our public schooling is terrible, but "make education for those who can afford it" is counterproductive.
>>68067813
>being this assblasted over a post
He's right, and you're delusional. Stay salty. c:
>>68066409
>American ideals like meritocracy
What you know has never been more important than who you know in this country. Especially true in politics.
>>68057747
Because our school system has gotten worse over time.
>>68063047
>>68063388
Sorry, I meant specifically under millenials. Sanders polls better than Trump among that particular demographic. In fact, I think he has received more votes from young voters than Trump and Hillary combined.
>>68068185
So how does Bernie's policy equate to a school principle who "promises less homework and more recess?" How do these situations compare under scrutiny? Right-wing rhetoric is dominated by these idiotic one-liners lacking any substance.
>>68068542
If you can't figure it out yourself, you're pretty fucking retarded. He's promising something for nothing to people who don't understand how the world works.
>>68067969
Collusion is illegal, one of the few responsibilities of a properly functioning federal government would be reasonable regulation of trade which includes breaking up collusion.
Basic needs and enterprises are not mutually exclusive, one of the best ways to fulfill a basic need is through (reasonably regulated) capitalism, the evidence for this is abundant
Public school systems often try to address their unsuccessful districts by increasing budgets, but no matter how much money they throw at public education the results never improve
>>68066783
>in a healthy nuclear family
They really just need even one parent who cares and has the time to set them on the path and encourage them.
The problem with nigger families is that many of them are doing the exact opposite, education is 'white'.
That said do not discount the power of an educational system to motivate or demotivate a student.
The current system is completely demotivational by the way, rote learning to the test is not interesting at all. We teach a whole generation to be cucks by making them suck it up and sit through it.
>>68068177
Dude he is exactly right.
How is it detachment on any level? Those shitty inner city schools where they graduate kids who are illiterate just throw money at their problems and it doesn't do shit.
>the countries that dominate the US in education have strong public school systems
They also have all-white or all-asian student bodies, you disingenuous faggot.
How would our numbers look if we took only the white scores?
>>68068777
not the guy you replied to but
>for nothing
i am absolutely amazed at the mental gymnastics to be able to realize that all the world is controlled by a tiny minority who hold most of the wealth, but to still say that trying to make those people NOT evade taxes is unthinkable, and the rich should have free reign
>>68067346
>and their potential customers can choose which school they want to send their kids to based on the results that school achieves
This is a 'who you know not what you know' thing. Better schools have inherited prestige from a bygone era which actually was like you describe that isn't eroded even if they turn out complete jackasses. Just look at all the Ivy League politicians, sure they're successful but they're also an affront to every intelligent human.
>>68068177
Many of those countries are the size/gdp of one of our states/regions, and are culturally/racially homogenous. Take niggers out of the equation and the numbers are a LOT different for the US- the biggest problem with our education system is our demographics crisis which is an entirely seperate issue. Im not saying we shouldnt have strong public schools but extending that mentality into university education is absolute nonsense, niggers would destroy high education like they did k-12
>>68068777
People understand how taxes work. People in America understand that you are required to work to survive. Many are waking up to just how this country works. These people understand that before the debate can even move to social programs in the US, the critical issue that must be addressed is how political power in our so-called republic belongs to a small, extremely wealthy group. That's the core of Bernie's campaign. Those who think it's about FREE SHIT have been duped.
>>68069323
The fact remains the best universities and the best k-12 schools are all privately owned, while public facilities with higher operating costs get much worse results
>>68068840
>Collusion is illegal,
>if something is illegal big business will not do it, and your "properly functioning federal government" is 100% incorruptible
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHA
and you have the unmitigated gall to call others childish and naive
>Basic needs and enterprises are not mutually exclusive, one of the best ways to fulfill a basic need is through (reasonably regulated) capitalism, the evidence for this is abundant
every time this has been tried it has failed.
the free market has fluctuations and if someone's in it for the profit and not because they get fired if they do it wrong, the service will be unreliable and bad
look at the fucking cable companies
>>68069637
You should tell that to the Bernie supporters expecting free college, free healthcare, etc.
>>68067969
>you seem to be stuck in 1970. welcome to the 21st century.
Most of this is education inflation, caused by colleges becoming the gatekeepers to employment.
>>68069089
That's the American condition. The rich have earned the right to rule us, and I'll definitely be one of them someday.
>>68069325
kek, you think too highly of college and university. You have to be completely brain damaged to not get a pass, but getting a decent mark is another story.
You should be worry about people doing women studies for free instead
>>68069961
>Most of this is education inflation,
Yeah sure. None of this might have been caused by the fact that people who are able to get through college are mostly more self sufficient and reliable.
And that modern technologies need working mental faculties and the ability to learn independently which can best be tested by a college education.
>>68070060
>That's the American condition. The rich have earned the right to rule us, and I'll definitely be one of them someday.
Welcome to the fucking middle ages.
And wage serfdom.
>>68057747
DUDE
FREE SHIT AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
LMAO
>>68068975
>Those shitty inner city schools where they graduate kids who are illiterate
Private colleges also graduate kids who they shouldn't to keep their passing rates up and safeguard their revenue.
This is not unique to public schools and is part of why I said earlier that private colleges should be non-profit.
>>68069793
Oligarchy != capitalism, its a strawman. Many industries (like cable companies) are currently subject to monopolies/collusion/etc. not because they are privatized but because our oligarchal government has helped to prop them up and erect barriers to entry for their competition. thats not reasonably regulated capitalism. On a macro level however capitalism fulfills our needs better than socialism ever can, ask anyone whos waited in a bread line if they like shopping in a supermarket better- those who have lived under real socialism know basic necessities are best handled by the private sector
>>68058671
France's tax rate is also 70%
>>68057747
They're victims of the teacher's unions.
>>68070328
>our oligarchal government has helped to prop them up and erect barriers to entry for their competition.
This is a direct consequence of out of control capitalism.
If everything in your life is controlled by the market, everything in the country IS on the market, including politicians. This is why pure libertarianism is doomed to fail like pure communism.
>>68067969
> they never had a chance
They aren't owed a chance to "show their talent to the nation".
Young Americans don't need a higher education to earn a reasonable living (e.g. higher than the proposed $15/r minimum wage).
If millennials really want an education, but can't afford it, the University of South Africa is accredited, dirt cheap, and has online degree programs.
>>68058039
Oy vey, the kikes are here to shut us down
>>68070060
>The rich have earned the right to rule us, and I'll definitely be one of them someday.
And now it's time for George.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw
>>68070566
No, its a direct consequence of corruption and over-reaching federal powers. Capitalism does not mean politicians are for sale and it does not mean unfettered libertarianism, again a strawman- no political idealogy can function under corrupt leadership period- but decentralizing power (states rights) helps mitigate the effect of it
>>68069768
Private K-12 schools also have a sampling bias because the parents actually have to be present and able to put up the money.
We have already been over the point where having a parent that gives a shit is an automatic boost to a child's ability to learn, that multiplies the sampling bias.
>>68069793
>look at the fucking cable companies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso
>>68058319
because the government in American cannot do anything properly. Look at college now, a mess huh? Well let the government put more hands in the pie and what you will end up with is school that will cost twice as much and is half as effective as it is now.
>>68059449
No. I would prefer 0% tax, and I can decide for myself what I want to use the money on.
>>68057747
DUDE LMAO GUNS R BAD N FREE SHITS GOOD
>>68059025
That pisses me off more than anything. People that used to be Ron Paul supporters turning into Bernfags is the biggest sign that they don't know shit about anything and just want to rebel to be edgy. And these people vote. Fuck
>>68070582
>They aren't owed a chance to "show their talent to the nation".
No. The nation owes it to itself you fucking moron.
Do you not realize that in a modern economy EVERYTHING is RnD?
And you do not produce enough intelligent people and you have to ship them in from abroad.
Other countries don't grant free education because it's this dumb pet peevee of them.
They do it, because an educated populace is the way to economic prosperity and the way to avoid an oligarchy/dictatorship taking over.
>>68070960
If you look into the very basics of your countries legal system and constitution, it has always been based on the assumption that the people who "made it" have some sort of right to influence what is right or wrong.
>>68071179
.... i meant the cable companies that are currently in power
>>68070254
Most modern technologies are learned simply by immersion, they are part of the standard skills of younger generations.
Hell /g/ is full of people who lied about their credentials to get their first tech job.
>>68065794
>accounting
>just spreadsheets and calculators
You know why accountants are paid quite a bit of money, right ?
>>68067013
Scholarships account for this. If you're interested, and want to pursue higher studies, you APPLY FOR SCHOLARSHIPS. I think you can apply to universities in my country.
>>68068542
He literally is promising less work - free college, and more recess - benefits to lazy cunts.
Are you dense ?
>>68070652
Oy vey, your wife's child is crying.
>>68071330
>Strictly for killing human beings
oh god.
>>68071500
there's a difference between being intelligent but a college dropout thus lying about your credentials, and being of average intelligence and never going t college.
>>68071501
>Scholarships account for this.
would, if the school system prior to university wasn't utter shit.
>>68071501
>>Strictly for killing human beings
>oh god.
What are assault weapons for if not for killing?
>>68070345
>They're victims of the teacher's unions.
Holy shit this too. This is the 'worker driven only by profit' side of the equation. I had a tenured pre-algebra teacher who was teaching our gifted class. For one we had a writing assignment in the spring to do a report on march madness, no not math related in anyway. For two no one got higher than a B and the average was around C-.
Yes she was a nigress.
Next year in the full algebra class, same group of students got nothing but As and Bs with a good teacher.
>>68070303
Here is a recent story from my hometown of Atlanta, where teachers and administrators from the public schools were convicted of racketeering and sent to prison.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/01/atlanta-teachers-found-guilty-cheating
They were openly cheating on standardized tests and actually cooperating to change incorrect answers, so they wouldn't get cut off from those sweet, sweet federal bennies.
If you think similar things are happening, on a comparable scale, at private schools, you are delusional. President Obama just made a huge initiative to not punish black kids in school so the numbers would be more palatable.
But don't worry about graduating illiterate retards and decimating the value of our primary education, lets send everyone to free community college!
>>68057747
>ma freebeez
>ma legal weed
>IF I VOTE BERNIE I CAN STAY HOME, GET BLAZED AND PLAE GAMES ALL DAY, WHILE TAKING THE MORAL HIGHGROUND
>>68071356
Who should they vote for instead? Trump?
This entire fucking shitty board is edgy and every opinion is just contrarian bullshit to what's popular. What the fuck are you even talking about? I have never seen any of you stupid murifat making a stance on anything. Even Trump threads are just children shit posting and meme spewing.
You fucking shitty murikkkans are a nation of complete morons. Go fuck yourself. You are not any better.
>>68071242
When you consider that the government is run entirely by politicians who's only training is as a lawyer it is inevitable that they will not be qualified to find good/effective solutions to any problems.
>>68071363
>.... i meant the cable companies that are currently in power
You mean all 2 or 3 of them?
>>68057747
Oh and here's an explanation to get you riled up:
Because the younger generations sans the ones who are SJWs are able to actually rationally think about things.
Yes what he is promising seems like a utopia, but only compared to america, because american politics has long been lead by a combination of corporate interests and retarded puritanical morals.
>>68072509
yes
Because young adults are struggling with this ruined economy thanks to the disgusting selfish Baby Boomers. There are no jobs and we need help. Bernie will help us erase are debts and give us opportunities.
>>68071501
>You know why accountants are paid quite a bit of money, right ?
Because a large responsibility is placed on them getting their calculations right and not losing their customer's money?
Doesn't make the math required any harder though.
>>68057747
Why aren't parents helping their kids through college?
>>68072774
>because everyone comes from rich mommy and daddies
Some of you don't understand how lucky you are, it's probably the reason for /pol/'s hate for the underprivileged and it's superiority complex.
>>68064111
Tips fedora
>>68057747
He's the non-racist/sexist grandpa I never had.
>>68072774
My parents used my "college fund" to remodel their kitchen.
I wish I was joking.
>>68071702
I agree in theory, but real colleges are just indoctrination factories at their worse and job training centers at their best.
Functioning as job training centers is noteworthy as it is basically businesses outsourcing employee training costs to the employee.
>>68072525
Young generations are historically the worst at rational thought, especially millenials who are told they're special snowflakes who deserve the world on a platter all their lives. Bernie supporters are spoiled children complaining BUT HE HAS MORE THAN I DO I WANT IT
>>68059025
rarer than fuck
>>68072885
Do well in school and get a scholarship. Go to trade school and use your trade to save for uni. Have the least bit of personal responsibility instead of being a fucking parasite
>>68072885
Nigger, at least half of the burger /pol/acks are vets or tradesman.
Hardly rich, suburban kids. You gotta make your own way. In fact, if you are worried about college, move to Florida. UF tuition is currently 104 a credit. Thats just over 12 grand for a degree from one of the best public universities in the country. And you can make installation payments or do courses online.
Its not as impossible as some would have you believe.
>>68073015
>I agree in theory, but real colleges are just indoctrination factories at their worse and job training centers at their best.
I completely agree.
There needs to be a lot more things done about the educational system than just making colleges more available.
>>68073038
I fail to understand how you can realize that a tiny global elite are oppressing the rest of the world,
and at the same time say that demanding that the rich/companies pay taxes like everyone else because they shouldn't have special power is being entitled.
>>68073217
I did great in school. Got a 30 on the ACT and applied and was accepted into many good colleges. Applied to every scholarship I could.
The best scholarship I got was $8K a semester to a school that cost $20K a semester to go to.
>>68073015
>expecting businesses to teach their employees their trade
Socialists and economics don't mix
>>68057747
Because they've yet to conform with mediocrity and give up on improving the state of the country.
>>68064295
you cant compete because you're more entitled than a millenial since your asking wage will always be higher than the equilibrium.
admit it, you're a useless rent seeker
>>68071998
I know about the scandal in Atlanta.
>If you think similar things are happening, on a comparable scale, at private schools, you are delusional.
I went to a private school, I knew the course administrators well enough to know just how many 'extra chances' and grades they had to pencil whip in order to please the top.
Let's just say that there is a moderate-good chance some of these people who graduated will kill someone or themselves.
>>68072354
Do you suppose we could build a wall around the UK?
>>68072715
>Because young adults are struggling with this ruined economy thanks to the disgusting selfish Baby Boomers.
Pic related?
>>68069637
Sounds like you should probably vote Trump if that's what you're concerned with.
>>68069089
If you want to talk closing loopholes for rich assholes, look to Trump.
>>68073217
You are pretty much confirming what he said. You are basing your world view on your massive superiority complex rather than what's best for all of your countrymen. When I said all. That includes people from the lowest socioeconomic status.
>>68057747
Idk
>>68064332
well said burgerfriend
but I have to say that for-profit isn't even an evil at all
it just basically punishes you for making bad decisions (like choosing to major in underwater basket weaving) instead of things that will land you a better job/higher wage
>>68073906
>i'm a rich spoiled asshole
>i'll close loopholes for rich assholes
very believable.
Either way the point is, with the additional income from actual taxes sanders' promises could be fulfilled.
COULD because just like trump won't be able to get most of his shittery (should he try to implement it) past congress so won't bernie
He panders to brainwashed liberals who think "social justice" is the goal of society
>>68073754
>stupid millenials try to get into low demand high supply and high startup cost jobs instead of going to a trade school to learn a reasonable supply, reasonable demand and low startup cost job.
>>68058319
There's already too many nig nogs and do-nothing tatted hipster trash who use universities as a 4+ year free lunch. Why let even more of them overburden the system, and not even have to pay for the privilege?
