The AfD, what is your opinions on it's programm ?
Is that good or not
>>68040609
The only Party you can elect right now.
>>68040609
A one-issue party with clear financial and ideological connections to the kremlin
>>68040693
Well technically you are right, but they sould seriously change their economic and social platform like the FPO and the FN did, the AfD sould become an Heimat sozialpartei
>>68040879
>hur dur must be duh russians
>>68040879
>with clear financial and ideological connections to the kremlin
>Implying it's bad
Putin would litterally kill for Russia(I bet he did), while Merkel on the other hand is selling her country to Turks, foreigners and globalist shills.
Only a mentally deranged person would choose Merkel rather than Putin
>>68040609
Best hope for germany's future.
What does the French media say about the AfD?
>>68041114
>>68041220
would you want a country with global imperialist ambitions and a devastating history of human rights violations to run a party in your country?
Can a german explain what happened to him and what he said was so offensive before new years.
My /pol fair and balanced opinion seems to remember he was forced to step down for being a racist when he predicted koln only to be vindicated weeks later.
>>68040609
>The AfD, what is your opinions on it's programm ?
Their program is all over the place.
They should have checked successful right wing parties before making shit up. The FPÖ was in power in government on the federal level and on a state level. It polls at 34%. It doesn't have all this neo-liberal bs in its program. The FPÖ also hates Islam for real and doesn't apologize for it.
>>68041442
Muhh far right, that basically what they said.
>>68041495
Yes, I don't give a fuck about human "rights", I'm already supporting the FN and they are supportive of based Vladimir
>>68041942
he is völkisch.
And he admits it.
Feels good man.
>>68041495
Where the fuck do you think you are?
>less taxes and cutting many social services
>abolishing the EU and the Euro
>more surveillance and harder punishments for crimes
>fuck all the refugees but those who actually need it/are qualified people
like many others i feel strongly about the refugees and afd is the only party with a strong anti-refugee agenda, but they also try to destroy things we have faught long and hard for like the eu and the social services. Overall a no for me
>>68042177
You realize the sole reason you have a rapefugee crisis in the first place are all the free shit?
>>68041495
Not sure if serious.
>>68040609
I only agree with their immigration politics but thats enough to vote for them
>>68042285
might sound wierd for an american but i dont have a problem paying taxes to support others. imo thats how a wealthy country should and can operate. no need to cut it because of the sandniggers
>>68042076
>Their program is all over the place.
Which mean ?
I agree with your criticism, they should do the same as the FPO, but from what I get they scraped their first economical and social programm because a lot of people in their party didn't agree with the first one.
>>68042285
No, they have rapefugees because they let them in.
Social welfare designed to get people on their feet, not fatten them up, is quite good - so long as the population is unified and homogenous.
>>68042442
creating voting plantations of feckless people provides the base for the destruction of society
>>68042503
exactly. look at sweden or norway. its a great thing to have as long as you have a somewhat isolated population
>ITT: people who have never been to Russia or a post-Soviet state
>>68042133
The term völkisch has no direct English equivalent
VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNAEyNxBuQ
>>68042442
>>68042503
"No". See what America is? Even if we didn't have minorities we still have a welfare class of white people. Taxes at most should be common infrastructure. Gibmedats drain a society no matter how homogenous.
>>68041942
>Can a german explain what happened to him and what he said was so offensive before new years.
Höcke? He's still with the AfD in active positions.
I think you refer to a talk about the application of rK-theory to human races (Rushton) at a german new right (Nouvelle Droite/Neue Rechte -> look it up) think tank.
>>68042076
We won with the AfD but its not good enough. Jesus christ I hate people like you. For fuck sake we got Trump nominated and you're now posting Kasich pictures.
>>68042454
>I agree with your criticism, they should do the same as the FPO, but from what I get they scraped their first economical and social programm because a lot of people in their party didn't agree with the first one.
The truth is that they were a small party polling at 3-5% and about to be forgotten. Then the migrant mess hit and all shit broke lose and they are polling at 10-15% now.
HOWEVER, their neoliberal progressive "no minimum wage", "flat tax", "direct democracy", "pure free trade", "no unions" bs is not getting them anywhere. The libertarian agenda is already covered by the FDP.
In contrast look at the FPÖ, it combines the nationalism, anti-Islamic and anti-immigration and EU critical elements of the AfD with social policies such as workers rights, social housing, progressive tax systems etc. This way, it competes with BOTH the conservatives and the socialists and actually gets more votes from the leftist stealing all the nationalist workers' votes. The AfD just gets the protest vote right now.
>>68042752
>Even if we didn't have minorities we still have a welfare class of white people.
Because your welfare system is designed to encourage them to stay on gibsmedats their entire life, so as to generate more Democratic voters.
If you're arguing against welfare in its entirety you're arguing that if someone who is hard working but doesn't come from money loses his job, he and his children should be allowed to starve while he's looking for work.
>>68040609
Don't tell me that I have to keep an eye on ANOTHER party now.. god damnit.
Well, I wish them luck because fuck Merkel.
>>68042692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchxOJtM7oA
>>68042177
>32
>>68042177
>>68042440
>>68042442
>>68042628
But from what I heard they will change their economic platform.
>>68042685
>half of my familly is polish
And you know what ? all the poles I know tell me how living in eastern Europe bring you more security.
You even have young educated westerners who move up to eastern Europe.
>>68042503
then why doesn't lativa have many refugees? they have a policy similar to Germany but no free shit
>>68042620
people can and want to work and educate themselves believe it or not. if you are motivated, the german infrastructure is incredible and you can get really far from basically nothing.
>>68041942
He was in a talk show and said German women may soon no longer walk alone on the street. And: In Africa, the so-called "small-r-strategy" rule. The goals at a high growth possible, therefore prevails on the continent of "spreading" type. Quite different in Europe: There you follow mainly the "large-K-strategy". The want to "exploit the capacity of the environment perfectly." Accordingly here lives the "wildcard type"
The Africans would achieve a "reproduction excess" of 30 million people a year with her cheerful behavior. Höcke believes that these people all go to Europe. For him a double problem: "As long as we are ready to take this surplus population, nothing will change on the reproductive behavior of Africans.
latest liberal meme is: "Russia is bankrolling the right wing movement in the west"
Of course theres no proof in the slightest, and they flagrantly ignore the endless billions being handed to anti-right wing groups
>>68042900
>Not wanting millions of single mothers being paid for by the state or seasonal workers paid to work under the table during the summer/winter = you want people to starve
kys
thanks
>>68042881
>For fuck sake we got Trump nominated and you're now posting Kasich pictures.
Want to hear the truth?
Kasich is the true based conservative that /pol/ should rally behind. Kasich is not degenerate and could easily win against Clinton - just look at the polls.
In contrast Trump has a real, tough uphill battle against Clinton. You know why? Because there is only a certain section of the population who is truly political and right. A lot of non-political people are moderates and do not like what Trump is saying.
>>68042828
völkisch or death.
völkisch
They're okay. The only reason why they got the spotlight right now is because of their immigration policy and even that isn't great although it might be unrealistic to expect something along the lines of throwing them all out. We simply do not have any right wing parties that are worth talking about.
What matters it he fact that they're at least closer to proper opposition than other parties. It's a step in the right direction.
>>68043125
>Not wanting millions of single mothers being paid
Who said anything about this? Single mothers are scum.
>>68042692
>The term völkisch has no direct English equivalent
bullshit
It's just "white supremacist"
>>68040609
Watched this debate last night with Frauke Petry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11WnepdclYA
Like Front National, Like PVV, Like Donald Trump.
AfD is the real deal.
Even though there might seem to be great differences between the different nationalist parties i mentioned.
The only `nationalist` party that will be really dissapointing is UKIP they are a total fraud. UK is just an island anyway so nothing to worry about.
>>68042898
I know that m8, the FPO and the FN have a simillar agenda, a kinda national socialist one, and I too think the AfD sould do the same.
The thing is that the AfD said it won't publish an economic agenda before 2017, I think they will check the FPO one .
Anyway lolbertarianism is a dead end.
>>68043301
HAAHAH no.
VOLK
>>68043301
Volk best translates to ethnicity.
Orban will save Germany perhaps
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb8_1458357035
>>68042692
>This video is not available in your country :(
Please AFD, make this video available.
>>68043351
Well the UKIP can't get any power because the UK has a party called "conservatives" who masquarade as being somewhat right wing.
So theres no big protest vote going to them.
>>68042133
Proofs?
>>68043351
Yeah UKIP is kinda a fraud, this is still the best party in the UK but their immigration policy is moronic at best, they want to kep the poles outta the UK but they still want to import people from the commonwealth...
>>68040693
First post, best post.
The thing with the AfD is, they're far from perfect. There are many topics for which they simply don't have any acceptable policies. But right now we can't be picky. We're facing great danger with the huge wave of immigrants, and literally all other parties want to do nothing to stop it.
For me, it's not about voting for a party that shares most of my views anymore. Right now, it's about voting for a party that makes sure Germany will still be around in 10 years. Our very existence is on the line, and the AfD is the only party that is willing to get us out of this in one piece if it isn't too late already.
If they don't make it in 2017, there is absolutely no hope for Germany, and I'm not even kidding.
>>68040609
The "Programm" of the party is SHIT!
BUT....
... its the only Oppesion we got in Germany. All other Partys are conforming left wing shit. Even CDU just goes with the mainstream flow... even so they were our right wing liberal-conservative Party.
Merkel plays her role as a Leader too good. She dont take a side... just swing with the popular emotion.
The first time she took a side was in the Immigration Crisis. And she said ... all Welcome.
..... to be continued
>>68043301
If you want to know what Völkisch is you're going to have to learn German, the international language of English can never understand it.
>>68043657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y8NFscnF1A
I think this might be the same song, just a different title.
>>68043171
>Kasich
>a bankster from Lehman Brothers who want a war with Russia
M8 you can't be serious...
You are right about the FPO but Kasich is more about a globalist shill than anything.
He want Turkey to be part of the UE...
>>68042398
I am serious
just by scanning through the """"news"""" posts they share on social media you can clearly see not only the anti-american(which I party welcome because a healthy dose of anti-americanism is just common unless you're blind) but also the massive support for anything russia has ever done or does
>>68043424
you don't know Germans. They are so stubborn, they just cannot change their ways.
Even though they look at the FPÖ and the FN, I highly doubt the AfD will change anything. Which is why they will not succeed now that the migrant crisis is over.
>>68042898
>FDP still relevant
>wanting the AfD to be nationalistic and socialist
>not wanting direct democracy
>>68040609
their final "programm" will be made official by the end of april or end of may, not sure.
so they don´t have an official programm that the whole party agrees on yet. thats why all the propaganda shills are running around telling "hurr durr they wanna cut the social state" and stuff like that even though no programm is out yet ....
>>68040879
one issue party:wrong, they talk, or rather would like to talk on many things but only get invited for refugee shit. but yes, connections to kremlin just like FN in france and other "right wing" parties. alliance with russia when?
>>68042076
well officially hating islam in germany wouldn´t run with a party. the party would be made illegal within a week.... fkn cuck germany.
>>68044278
>Which is why they will not succeed now that the migrant crisis is over.
Not so fast. Libya -> Italy will grow quickly. And the consequences of the past year will be with us for decades, it also has shocked many people and disillusioned them when it comes to mainstream parties and media.
Balkan route was already closed during the state elections.
>>68043866
English only thinks in terms of oppressor and oppressed, the concept of Volkstum is alien to the English speaking mind.
What is a Volk, in the higher sense of the term, and what is love of the fatherland?," where he answered his question of what could warrant the noble individual's striving "and his belief in the eternity and the immortality of his work," by replying that it could only be that "particular spiritual nature of the human environment out of which he himself, with all of his thought and action... has arisen, namely the people from which he is descended and among which he has been formed and grown into that which he is".
>>68044278
Sad but true.....
If the migrant crisis IS over.
I hardly believe that this happen. Its moar likely that that the migrants choose other ways to get into the EU.
There are too many ways ... and we really have to become a Fortress ... like Trump with his Wall ,,,
>>68044278
>now that the migrant crisis is over.
>Europe (=Germany) still takes refugees from Turkey
>Refugees will find other ways
>Entire fucking Turkey invited to live in Germany now
>>68044578
>>FDP still relevant
it is a fact. They succeeded in getting all the state parliaments last Sunday.
>>wanting the AfD to be nationalistic and socialist
Yes, that is the way they can win 30% just as the FPÖ. You need to appeal to the workers, not to some elite pie-in-the-sky neo-liberal "direct democracy" conservative white academic shill.
>>not wanting direct democracy
Direct democracy is a meme. You can have it in your program (the FPÖ has it in there), but you concentrate on the things your electorate really wants - nationalism, patriotism, social protecting, "Germans first", tax credits for workers and kids, social housing, protection, minimum wage etc.
>>68044858
To keep you in.
When you try to break into a system like MMP it pays to campaign on a single issue first then broaden your policies as you attract more voters.
Anons calling them a single issue party are just cuckolds.
>>68043171
Kasich is terrible on immigration.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/john-kasich.html
>>68040879
>ideological connections to the kremlin
They sing this song in Gernany, too?
There is not a news article in the more liberal media that would not push the idea that any anti-EU sentiment is just Kremlin propaganda.
>>68044909
>I want free gibsmedats
>I hate the refugees who want free gibsmedats
>calling direct democracy, which would have protected us from refugees and the Euro (and later on wasting money on the Greeks) academic shilling
>>68044746
>Libya -> Italy will grow quickly.
Read the news, senpai-san.
Cameron has said they will send ships to turn around fugee boats. Austria has said the Libya situation must be addressed immediately and Italy and Germany agreed as well.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/18/refugee-boats-david-cameron-early-intervention-libya-migrants-mediterranean-eu-leaders
>>68044909
This fag is right, look at the FN agenda, it's nationalistic and socialistic and this make the FN the first party among the working class.
The FPO did it, the Dansk Volkpartei did it, the SD did it and most of successfull rightwing parties did the same.
The only exceptions being UDC in Switzerland and Frp in Norway
>>68040879
The irony of leftists who once wanted Moscow to take over Europe and had no problem admitting they were financier by the USSR, now complaining Moscow is funding people. Lmfao.
>>68044278
>migrant crisis over
toppest of fucking keks, did you read that in the bildzeitung? refugees can take the more difficult route through russia over poland (toppest of keks)
at least a million waiting in north africa for better weather to cross the sea (has nothing to do with turkey deal)
turkey getting visa free travel in june. so they can literally send 20 million kurds to us. they can also give all the refugees instant citizenship if they want. this means all refugees can come in legally and nobody has a legal way of stopping them anymore.
also deal with turkey is only for syrians coming from syria. all the african, afghan, iranian degenerates..... nobody said a word.
>refugee crisis is done
oh boy, it hasn´t even started yet. this sommer, especially mid june, it will be glorios. chaos, confusion, sadness, hopefully death.... good times ahead.
>>68041495
Then why do you let the BRD run this country
>>68045219
>>calling direct democracy, which would have protected us from refugees and the Euro (and later on wasting money on the Greeks) academic shilling
The Swiss have received more fugees in 2014 and 2015 per capita than Germany. You do realize they have direct democracy, right?
>>68045335
Call me when the EU mission stops bringing 'rescued' migrants to Italy.
>>68045219
Well direct democracy don't make everything right, even in Switzerland politicians don't listen to voters and even try to manipulate them. Direct democracy isn't the solution to all problems
>>68044278
>migrant crisis is over
What? We have a legal treaty with Turkey, it's the EXACT same thing just with less eyes on it. Turks can now freely invade us and refugees still come or drown, either way nothing changes. It actually just got even worse. The fact that people now think it is over actually just proves that and is the perfect sign that they want you to believe it's over and done.
>>68045485
>refugees can take the more difficult route through russia over poland
No they cannot. They tried that last year to get to Norway and Finland. At first these countries said "ok, grrhhh", then they started to fucking expel them all back to Russia. The Arctic Routes is closed. The Polish route doesn't even exist.
>>68045485
>at least a million waiting in north africa for better weather to cross the sea
200,000 wait in Libya. And if you actually read the news, you would know they are all well aware of this shit and are closing this route as well. They are using the "uhhh, human lives will be lost if we do not act" meme for this one.
>>68045485
>also deal with turkey is only for syrians coming from syria. all the african, afghan, iranian degenerates..... nobody said a word.
Read the deal. ALL ILLEGALS go back to Turkey. However, only for every Syrian that goes back do we have to take a Syrian from Turkey.
>>68045704
>Call me when the EU mission stops bringing 'rescued' migrants to Italy.
A UK government source said: “We think Operation Sophia has achieved a lot in terms of bringing the numbers down … but one of the challenges the operation has is that it is still only operating on the high seas.
The source said that at the moment those picked up on the high seas were taken to Italy, but there could be an agreement with the Libyan government to return people.
>>68045948
>Read the deal. ALL ILLEGALS go back to Turkey. However, only for every Syrian that goes back do we have to take a Syrian from Turkey.
It's capped at 72k, but it's still way to much we should admit none of them, only christians from the middle east sould be let in.
>>68045185
it was obvious long before the media even started investigating
>>68046216
>hurrr duurrr Putin is bad
Actully every politicians wanting to destroy the liberal values is a good one
>>68046065
>could be
The brits were always more Australian when it comes to refugees. I believe it when I see it.
>>68045948
>Read the deal. ALL ILLEGALS go back to Turkey. However, only for every Syrian that goes back do we have to take a Syrian from Turkey.
Is the legal status of those clear now? Are they going to get some regular refugee status or will it be resettlement (i. e. permanent from the get go)?
>>68046150
>It's capped at 72k, but it's still way to much we should admit none of them, only christians from the middle east sould be let in.
Why don't you people just read the actual agreement?
The 72k is the number of people preliminary agreed as a maximum to be resettled from Turkey as part of the 1 Syrian for 1 Syrian.
There is NO CAP, as in NO CAP on the number of illegals Turkey will take back from the Greek islands. Not to mention that in the next weeks the number of illegals crossing over to the islands will drop to 0 when it becomes clear that they all need to go back.
>>68045219
Enough with the fucking Euro bashing. You're so fucking retarded, embarrassingly ignorant to think Germany, as an economy, didn't massively profited from the €. Our whole export business wouldn't work as it does without the Euro. The only problem is that the wealth never reached the common peopl due to wage suppression.
>>68044909
100% behind this.
>>68045948
>No they cannot.
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article153372386/Fluechtlinge-koennten-bald-ueber-die-Kaukasus-Route-kommen.html
>200,000 wait in Libya.
believing the news that it´s only 200k kek. especially that all refugees are not waiting at the coastline, many other waiting in their countries like morrocco etc...
>Read the deal. ALL ILLEGALS go back to Turkey.
the deal i read was that they take back all illegals going into greece starting tomorrow, march 20th. this has nothing to do with the 1.5 million illegals already in europe. you still don´t get that deal to its fully extent. what about the non syrian refugees coming to turkey? they´ll be used as further pressure against the EU (more money plz).
again visa free travel: millions of kurds and turks into and they can still give the afghans, iranians etc citizenship for that visa free travel.
>>68046400
>Are they going to get some regular refugee status or will it be resettlement (i. e. permanent from the get go)?
All who are taken from Turkey will get asylum in Europe, it is the same status as other migrants who get asylum here get, which can be temporary until the home wars are over.
>>68045572
we're fucked but we are not as fucked that we would need the help of another aggressor in our political landscape
>>68046514
>Enough with the fucking Euro bashing. You're so fucking retarded, embarrassingly ignorant to think Germany, as an economy, didn't massively profited from the €. Our whole export business wouldn't work as it does without the Euro.
Total MSM rubbish.I bet you believe racial differences in IQ are 100% environmental.
>>68046871
>Total MSM rubbish.I bet you believe racial differences in IQ are 100% environmental.
What does that have to do with the fact that Germany has massively profited from a devalued Euro?
>>68047001
How to devalue a currency:
Buy a lot of assets/currency with freshly created central bank money. This is how the chinese do it. The advantage of this approach is that you actually get something with real value in return.
>>68047001
Do you understand that we only profit because we are the leaders in this Union? Do you understand that everyone else gets fucked while the aristocrats in our country get rich? Our middle class is poor as fuck which is why the "Germany has such a strong economy" line is a tired meme.
>>68041495
Yes.
>>68047001
>the only way to devalue a currency is by giving it to ungrateful cunts on the other side of the continent
>theres no way imaginable how Germany could have devalued the Mark
>I dont know that the Euro is a punishment for WW2 and was literally a condition the winners of WW2 set for a united Germany
>>68047525
>Our middle class is poor as fuck
Stop with this meme. Germany is doing well economically. It has very little in terms of unemployment. Just go to Greece or Southern Italy or Spain or even certain areas of the UK and you will see what devastation and an eroded middle class looks like.
Germany has massively benefitted from the Euro. And quite a lot of other countries have too, just not the poor Southern suckers who are corrupt and tax evaders.
>>68047515
>Buy a lot of assets/currency with freshly created central bank money.
What is the ECB? You do realize that the ECB is doing just that? It creates new money and buys corporate bonds and state debt on the market, thus basically devaluing the Euro... pumping money into the system which can be used to buy shit.
As to China, they are not "creating fresh money" to buy foreign assets. They have over 30 years had a massive trade surplus which accumulated foreign currency, mostly dollars which they are now spending like crazy buying assets outside of China, because they anticipate that the Chinese Yuan will be crashing soon.
>>68040609
VOTE BJORN HOCKE AND THE AFD PARTY
>>68048896
>As to China, they are not "creating fresh money" to buy foreign assets.
stop pls
http://news.kurzy.cz/347840-chinas-foreign-exchange-reserves-at-the-end-of-2012-grew-to-3-3-trillion-from-700-l-04/
>>68041495
> the irony of this post
ah, the pro SPD-Junge with his iPhone is at it again.
Erschlag dich
> t. Ausländer
>>68049721
Ausländer of what kind?
>>68049865
Ausländer RAUS
>>68040609
what we really need isn't a new party or new friends in the geopolitical game but more people actively engaged in politics
if pic related doesn't make a german cry then nothing will
>>68042898
There is literally nothing wrong with libertarianism the only problem is the inconsistency the afd does. Like all freedom n shit but no gay rights, wtf. To me the best European party that does all right are the SD.
>>68050791
How are gay rights something positive above that 3% of the population that is gay
>>68051066
But why be against it in the first place, you could even score some free PR points without doing much.
>>68040879
I punch faggots like you on my way to work every morning
>>68049865
> Wo ist Nordsee?
> Baldig Podadoes cöming druu :DD:D::D
Don't worry, I'm not living on your tax money, I'm studying and have a job that couldn't (yet) be done by a native.
What do you guys think about idea of CSU running for federal elections? What are their points that make them to differ from AfD?
Imho I'd like to vote AfD if they wouldn't keep such a cringe worthy name and applied themselves more than >>68042898 pointed out. Atm thou:
AfD > a real conservative party (CSU?) > FDP > CDU (without Merkel) > may rot in Hell: other shits
>>68049317
You don't know what foreign currency reserves are, do you?
