Would NATO defend the Baltics? Is Russia brave enough to test Article 5?
>>68031561
who?
Tfw no Polandball footsack collection
No, they probably wouldn't.
And Russia isn't going to try because it would undo the past 2 years of foreign policy.
>>68031561
Vivian_Danmachi_toothbrush.gif
>>68031561
>Would NATO defend the Baltics?
yes
>>68031561
>Is Russia brave enough to test Article 5?
no kek, russia isn't stupid enough to go for another land grab
>>68031561
Would NATO defend the Baltics?
They won't be able to, Russia's miliatry presence in their western region makes it a Fait Accompli.
Would NATO liberate the Baltics?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nobody is going to war for the Baltics, including the Russians.
Who wants them?
>>68031987
>>68032179
cheers senpai
>>68031561
No.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3430259/Russia-overrun-Eastern-Europe-THREE-DAYS-NATO-caught-napping-Putin-hopelessly-outgunned-according-military-predictions.html
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1200/RR1253/RAND_RR1253.pdf
Tallin and Riga both down in 60 hours.
Baltic states in total between their 3 states have 0 planes.
0.
>>68032108
why ? what are you going to do ? sanctions ?
They're already on sanctions.
NATO can't responds fast enough as fast as how Russia could overrun balts.
NATO units there right now are laughable.
Russia would never invade them so your question is pointless and their paranoia laughable.
Putin isn't some autist who wants to paint the map, Crimea is an important geopolitical goal and so is Ukraine.
Baltic states are totally irrelevant.
>nato
>capable of anything outside of sanctions
>>68031561
I hope they do. I'm itching for a nuclear war.
literally worthless nations desu senpai
>>68032681
Only people who itch for a nuclear war either have no idea what it would look like or have mental problems.
What the fuck is NATO? Its all USA from where im standing.
Russia wouldn't bother, it's just rattling its sabre in regards to the Baltics. The real prize for Russia is to take back Belorussia
The Baltics defend Nato. They're basically a Nato colony.
>>68032681
Are you?
Russia has as many operational nukes as the Americans. Except they have underground cities prepared for this.
Surely you don't want a slav filled world?
No, don't think so.
But is not worth economic destruction and isolation. Not after finally got out of that situation. Unlike Crimea there is not much important in the baltic.
>>68032857
autism is a mental problem
>>68032884
this
>>68032977
even south korea has hardened metro
why does USA have nothing for survival
>>68032903
lel
Literally the easiest thing to do in regards to land grab.
The Belroussians would welcome reunification with Mother Russia
>>68032372
>serbia coming to suck off russkies once again
top kek, and no, the balts are in NATO and that wouldn't mean sanctions, that would mean war
Russia wont do shit to the balts, they aren't willing to go to war over grabbing some land
>>68031561
would NATO defend the Baltics
probably not, especially if Russia is stealthy and sneaky about it
Rand corp already admitted as much, and they're an US intelligence outfit
>>68033101
The tricky bit is spinning it so NATO, or specifically Germany, don't kick off. Personally I think Putin should call their bluff like he did with the Ukraine. The EU is so weak right now and NATO couldn't really give a fuck
>>68033132
>burger in charge
>>68033084
USA instead of building large underground metropolitans decided to invest in automatic land to air missile defense system literally called STAR WARS.
It is, as far as the public is aware, not bullet proof.
>>68033132
Being this retarded and thinking any NATO countries would agree to total war against Russia for 250 square kilometers.
You must be Jamal.
>>68033132
Cock sucking or not, he's right. There's no way to defend them.
There's no way to defend Europe for that matter. It would take months for America to assemble enough forces to make a difference. Cold War was 30 years ago, rapid deployment of US troops to Europe is no longer possible.
>>68033330
star wars is dead, wut
it is THAAD and GMD and AEGIS which are good programs but not good in mass nuclear war
only good for knocking down 1 or 2 icbms with great investment
i would prefer a big happy subway
>>68033084
Oh Russia has hardened metro systems (Moscow & St. Petersburg in particular).
However in addition they literally have nuke-proof cities which are underground.
>>68032323
They have a good gene pool. The elites want sex slaves don't they?
>>68031561
The only reason why Baltic states host NATO is to have some kind of international presence and diplomacy.
Russia with its already tremendous land mass just don't want / don't need more (Crimea doesn't count: it was their for ages).
MFW all those ex USSR state really believe they've choosen their independance, while in fact it was Russia that kicked them out.
>>68032592
But if USA fails to protect them it's the end of NATO desu senpai
I can see them testing it out covertly with some undercover ruskies
Well, there is only one way to find out.
>>68033297
It would be hard to justify opposing the annexation.
Nobody likes Lushenko, he had done some vague diplomatic stuff - but everyone thinks he is a dictator.
Given the choice, I'd bet the Belorussian army would welcome the Russian army like the Hungarian and Czech armies welcomed the Soviet army.
>>68031561
If it didin't, the whole NATO would collapse on itself.
But Russia won't make it open war..probally another "rebel" attack and propaganda war.
Eh... This thread again.
>>68033914
I have to say
Latvia>Lithuania
Latvia should annex Lithuania and end their suffering already.
>>68033451
underground metros were built during cold war, so was STAR WARs. That's my point. During this time, that was what USA chose to develop instead.
>>68034154
fug
>>68033541
underrated
>>68033638
Nothing matters for NATO east of germany.
They wouldn't defend anything east of it.
Except Istanbul because of the straights.
>>68034049
Straya, seriously can't even get mad at your bants. Believe me, I try. I really try to get pissed at Aussie shitposts and bants if they ever are directed in my general direction, but I just can't anymore. The novelty is gone, it is just stale and predictable, like the kid that cracks that one joke, that was funny the first time, initially people would lough because they remembered how they laughed the first time, eventually they would smirk to keep the situation socially pleasing, but eventually they stopped. They stare blankly at the perpetrator who fruitlessly tries to crack the joke again and again, because he thinks this time he just messed up, he would always slay with that joke, but this time it just didn't do it for the audience anymore. Maybe the presentation was off? Maybe his voice wavered during the punch line? Was it him? Did he just lose the only social ace that he had in his hand?
You are that sad kid, Straya. Some skinny-fat kid named James. You were once relevant, you were once the king of jokes, but now... You are not even bad, you are merely completely grey and insignificant. I would thus say that NZ should annex you, but they probably just can't be bothered.
Don't worry though, maybe one day you will find that ace again. Unlikely, but don't lose hope like you lost relevance.
>>68031561
You will find out soon enough.
>>68032323
Nato figures we can march all the way to Norway in 72 hours and there is nothing they can do.
Some men and a few planes in the baltic really wouldn't stop a full scale invasion if we wanted it.
>>68034920
OH FUK
>>68033268
Rand said that so the Russians wouldn't freak out about us having a defensive post 100km from red square.
NATO has to defend the Baltics and is crazy enough to try.
Putin's not crazy enough to test the US like that.
>>68031561
>Would NATO defend the Baltics? Is Russia brave enough to test Article 5?
Nato is even not able to protect western country from muslims invasion...
Worst If Russia decided to liberate the west from muslims, they'll be treated as an ennemy.
Honestly, I really, really doubt it.
I don't think Americans would stomach a full-scale war with Russia over some tiny Second World shithole nation that few here could correctly point out on a world map.
If Russia attacked, let's say Latvia, I think the U.S. and NATO would huff and puff, make threats, condemn them at the U.N., sanction the shit out of Russia, etc., but ultimately never actually go to real war with them.
I don't think NATO as a whole would, but I think the United States would, maybe Britain and France too.
The consequences of not doing so would be unthinkable. It would mean the end of the United States as a global power as it would make every alliance we have worth less than the paper their treaties are printed on.
If you paid attention in history class you'll know that the United States has an OBSESSION with maintaining global "credibility". It's why we reacted to Korea, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Iraq I, and Iraq II the way we did. We almost went to war with Assad and Syria over a rhetorical "red line" that Obama said in an offhanded comment.
Especially if American troops are killed, and the "Big Bad Hitler-Putin is invading defenseless lands for lebensraum and Neo-Sovietism" media narrative gets rolling, like it did when the Russians moved in on Ukraine in 2014. There'd be no avoiding it.
I don't see the Russians doing so unless they make a miscalculation and think that NATO's Article V wouldn't apply. Same thing with China/Taiwan. The other scenario is if some ultranationalist gets into office (I don't think Putin is one,) at some point.
>>68035933
>Nato is even not able to protect western country from muslims invasion
There is political will to fight for survival in Wester Europe? I didn't notice. Your decisionmakers are afraid to even think of "refugees" or muslims as enemies, what is NATO going to do? You are mentally impotent.
NATO will propably collapse or become obviously irrelevant in a case of a Russian invasion, as Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Greece and other faraway countries would not want to suffer casualties fighting a nuclear power with a large army. The US would fight, we would, the Scandinavians and maybe the Germans.
Where to cop coutry balls??
>>68031561
No and not likely. NATO is non-existent, and Europe is willing to be fucked by weaponless Muslim refugees. If Russia decides to play hard, they would just fuck all of Europe with quick tank rush. But that means going nuclear, and that's going to be the end of all, so not likely.
>>68038126
>the Scandinavians and maybe the Germans
LMAO! the most cucked nations on the face of the earth will fight the russians!!Good one!
>>68031561
i think so, since they already have NATO fighters patrolling our skies and they have troops with equipment stationed here
>>68033569
Go back to Nigeria, Abu. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Kazakhstan comes before the Baltic states on the Russian hybrid war agenda.
>>68038671
It's not about being cucked, it's about the generals getting together in some staff and assesing national interests in the face of a ,say, Russian-Estonian war. I don't see the Spanish mobilizing their young men and rolling northeast. They would propably send a strongly worded letter, a field hospital to be deployed 1000 km from the front line and blankets and tea for refugees. The Finns, who aren't even in NATO are much more likely to do something serious because a Russian military expansion in the Baltic region would gravely threaten their key interests.
>>68031885
>footsack collection
not hacky sack
>>68033569
>Russia with its already tremendous land mass just don't want / don't need more
You have no idea of now Russians think. Protip: they see everything that once was a part of Russian Empire as their birthright.
>>68031561
WHERE DO I GET THESE?
TELL ME NAO
>>68039963
>>Russia with its already tremendous land mass just don't want / don't need more
1938: The Soviet Union is already tremendous land mass just don't want / don't need more
>>68032372
Article 5 means the US gets involved as well you faggot.
Russia stands no chance against that force. It will need the help of someone like China but we all know they don't give a shit about Putin and only cooperate with him for money....
>>68033430
>what are nukes and airplanes
>>68040099
Yeah, Poland, you know that I am talking about. And don't think they will stop there, oh no. It's like fucking - once you're in, there is no going out until the end.
>>68039963
Because it is.
Commies were not legitimate rulers.
Talking about baltics - useless clay, that worth nothing. There is no reason to take it unless we're ready for a tottul wor.
>>68040674
>Because it is.
Not if those other nations have to say anything about it. No one wants to be part of your shitty empire anymore.
too bad you are in votionation of the tready by not having your own army spending. Stand and fight and we will help you.
>>68031561
Tell us, what does Estonia have to offer the US in return for protection?
>>68041039
>implying that someone ever wanted
>>68034920
FUCKING REKT
Poland will probably defend them as always but we will get backstabbed again by westerns
>>68041670
Ukraine certainly never wanted to part. It's just that Lenin wanted to have national soviet republics for some demented reason.
>>68041293
another european foothold to store nukes for the upcoming cold war?
Important things to discuss is white genocide conducted by the U.S, EU and NATO.
Not ''muh ebul russian will invade, is our bestest ally NATO ready!?!''
>>68040140
Which part of you can't deploy units to get there fast enough do you not understand
You can have 10000 articles V, it would mean nothing.
And who else is going to fight alongside USA ?
Germany doesn't give a fuck ?
France ?
Spain ?
Italy ?
Latest NATO arrival of Montenegro ?
I could see Poland getting involved in theory, but in practice no.
They'll be too busy fortifying their own borders.
You would have to station major forces right now in balts for them to matter.
And that won't happen.
None of this would happen, but if it did, Russia would get a strongly worded letter from UN, more sanctions and maps printed in the western countries wouldn't show it as a part of Russia.
But that's it.
NOBODY is going to get into a possible war against Russia over 250 square meters of land.
>>68041979
You're not allowed to store nukes in the balts per the agreement with Russia.
Nor long range bombers or anything capable of delivering nukes or long range missiles.
>>68041979
we can literally put them anywhere and hit russia
>>68034920
Will Australia ever recover?
>>68034920
delicious lithuanian pasta
>>68042283
>Which part of you can't deploy units to get there fast enough do you not understand
how long does it take for a plane to fly from US to Estonia.
>>68041951
Reason?
Rip them out of food, because commies was too busy killing each. So then holodomor happen. Just standard russian liberation
>>68031561
Why would Russia want to invade those irrelevant depressing suicidal shitholes in the first place? Absolutely fucking worthless.
>>68041979
Anti-white.
>>68032372
>Tallin and Riga both down in 60 hours.
you paste materials that you haven't read. 60h was about reaching the outermost borders in that scenario, won't go into any of the other details.
>>68042455
Because jewish propaganda needs to scare young men on, for example, /pol/, that there's a ''russian threat'' that needs dealing with.
Nevermind the fact that white women are spreading their legs for arabs and africans, and arabs and africans are flooding white countries, forget all that, just focus on muh ebul russia.
>>68042455
Russia IS a depressing shithole, pedro
I fucking hate Slavs. I have 2 in a class with me I take on saturdays. Ignorant pig headed fucks desu
>>68031561
Yes NATO absolutely would
No Russia absolutely isn't
>>68042438
I meant before that. Now, of course, it's entirely different story.
Hopefully it will not come to that, Ukraine was destructive enough.
>>68034920
MFW this is not pasta
>>68031561
>NATO
Repeat after me.
NO!
SUCH!
THING!!!
>>68039311
Kazakhstan is a member of CSTO and loving it since the Uzbeks are out
>>68042431
Over where are you going to fly that plane ?
Russia encircles the balts.
Well there's a small opening in the border of lithuania and poland, but it's not like Russian AA defences won't have the range, or that they wouldn't launch fighters to shoot down the planes...
Unless you have magical invisible planes which can neither be seen by radar or the naked eye.
>>68042555
Outskirts of the city
not outermost borders
And that was the scenario which only dealt with the longest time the russians have taken to reach both.
Only the worst scenario for the russians is 60 hours.
You haven't read it at all.
>>68042455
>depressing suicidal shitholes
Compared to Russia, Baltic is a fucking heaven on earth.
>>68031561
Russia would get their asses kicked.
>>68034920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
>>68042565
>just because niggers and arabs are moving into the other side of your town means you have to ignore the crazy axe-murderer living next door
>>68039041
Sure dude.
NATO, the "alliance" of very convincing "North Atlantic" countries, such as Turkey and Japan.
I'd really love to see how baltic states will be defended by Turkish troops, under Japanese command.
>>68042989
Köksal Baba protects entire B*ltic.
>>68042989
Nobody here cares about those countries, we are looking at US, UK, and our closer neighbors.
>>68042855
>prowlers blot radar
>Wild Weasels hit Sam cites
>US navy air platforms
>demolish red army inplace
>amphib invasion of kaliningrad by SEALS and Marine Corps
>C-12 to airborne drop on airfields
>send C-5's loaded with armor to seized aifields.
>AWACS and fuelers on support
24 hours.
Russia is fucking weak. With no expeditionary capability.
Jesus Christ, I so want a Polandball collection now.
>>68040099
>1938: The Soviet Union is already tremendous land mass just don't want / don't need more
As if they weren't attacked first ...
protip: who's the very first gov. to sign a non-agression pact with Nazi Germany ?
Yes, it's Poland who did that, less than 1 year after Hitler took the power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact
>>68043357
Okay Jamal.
No point in discussing anything with an obvious nigger.
Best invasion plan is to send a 1000 nigger gangsters in kaliningrad to take it over.
>>68031561
where can i buy a knitted estonia?
>>68043523
>Yes, it's Poland who did that, less than 1 year after Hitler took the power
So what?
>>68042855
yes, the outermost borders of of the city, it said nothing of capturing, but E for damage control.
when it comes to the report then RAND is correct in their assessment using the data they used, but in reality they underestimate many capabilities and are using an unrealistic scenario (to sum up: it wouldn't be as isolated).
>>68031561
Countries in blue are NATO members. Countries in light blue are "Major Non-NATO Allies". The lightest blue are "Partnership for Peace" members. (including Russia, kek)
Even if only half responded, Russia would get wrecked in a conventional war. Which is why all Russian research since 1985 has gone into nuclear weapons, hardened bunker construction and ICBMs.
The world will end in nuclear and biological war.
Russia and China won't play it any other way.
They have been preparing for it for over three decades while the USA has dismantled its civil defense preparedness network.
>>68043341
>we are looking at US, UK, and our closer neighbors.
You really should consider learning history ...
>>68042930
I like to point out fighting a bunch of terrorist who used guerrilla warfare doesn't count as experience, when fighting against another country who has an army.
Also T-14 Armata
>>68043592
Didnt yoiu faggots have russian garbage when you trifled with the USA?
How did that end faggot?
Belgrade on fire? Dead fucking serbs stinking up the place?
lol.
Slobadan turning blue in a jailcell in the hague.
Best in the West baby
>>68042989
You retard,
1: Japan is not in NATO
2:>I'd really love to see how baltic states will be defended by Turkish troops, under Japanese command.
This would actually be more likely than Baltics being defended by the French, Spanish,Dutch or Italians.
Turkey and Japan are major military powers right next to Russia and competing with it for regional spheres of influence as they grow, Turkey in the Black Sea and Japan in the Far East. As Russian interests weaken due to an unfavourable course of war Japanese and Turkish interests will move in. These countries would profit from a weaker Russia, Turkey is currently downing Russian jets and the Japs still haven't signed a treaty over the Kuriles. They are more likely to help the Baltics than most Western European countries, which would want a stronger Russia (at the expense of its immiediate neighbours even, they are far away) as a partner and counterweight to US influence to have more pace for political manouvers.
>>68044097
>I like to point out fighting a bunch of terrorist who used guerrilla warfare doesn't count as experience, when fighting against another country who has an army.
Also T-14 Armata
Yes this does, experience can just be being in combat something that training doesn't provide.
>>68044055
I know what you mean, but we have no choice either way, no one else to count on.
>>68044097
>literally outclassed in virtually all categories
not worried
Ivan will steal the gas and sell on the black market. Their logistics suck
Where do the slav countries begin and end? Are all baltic countries slavs including poland and what exactly is a latvia?
>>68043774
>So what?
> USSR sign a non-agression pact with Nazis because the whole fucking EU doesn't want to sign with them
hurr durr, Evil Russian want war
> Poland sign a non-agression pact with Nazis because they share the same ideology and participate in all the German plundering until being betrayed by Nazis.
Poor Poland, muh Katyn massacre
>>68044097
Theyre gonna have to fight guerilla style , when they get sent back to the stone age
>>68044233
>Win a war vs Serbia in the 90s
>Somehow relevant to Russia vs US
wew
>>68034920
oh snap nigguh
>Straya on suicide watch
>>68044687
>Russia's army is 90% 1990's tech
>>68044642
>Poland sign a non-agression pact with Nazis because they share the same ideology
Riiiight
>>68044233
Didn't Georgia have US weapons and training? How did that end faggot? Digested neckties? Loss of territories?
About as relevant.
>>68044015
>Even if only half responded, Russia would get wrecked in a conventional war.
No, just no.
Because it's Russia, and it's fucking huge.
>>68040099
>don't want / don't need more
>>68031561
Why would russia invade the Baltic States . seriously Russia is as Western as you can be at this point we all hate the mudslimes
>>68034920
>>68031561
D'aww, Esti's so cute~!
>>68044867
Soviet aligned countries were extremely disorganized in the 90s and a lot of weapons were probably lost to corruption.
If Russia is able to take the baltics and NATO has to react it will be very costly to retake those countries without using nukes.
>>68045013
The Soviet Union lost the conventional balance of power around 1985 due to its stagnating economy.
It's not just an opinion, Soviet declassified papers from that era prove and acknowledge this.
That is why their research and military capability has emphasized nuclear war increasingly since that year, and almost wholly in the 1990s as the country was trying to survive.
Today Russia has 30% less landmass and population than that time, and a much smaller economic weight (though more leverage because of muh gas exports).
Their reliance on biological and nuclear warfare has only increased as a result.
Here's a well-researched, realistic article by a retired US Army Col:
http://www.alternatewars.com/WW3/the_war_that_never_was.htm
>>68043923
60 hours was a worst case scenario for Russia to reach them.
Like taking them would require 3 months.
It would at most require another day.
You don't seem to understand that NATO will not respond.
That's the entire point in this thread.
NATO does not give a single fuck about balts shitty countries and 250 square meters of land.
Balts are just there as a warning, Russia invades, so they have an excuse to sanction it some more and condemn it in international relations.
Do you think Argentina is really going to send soldiers to fight in europe against Russia, for the balts ?
Australia ?
Spain, Portugal, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania ?
Denmark ? Norway ? Sweden ? They don't even have armies, not really.
Poland ? Too scared, russia is right there to them, they'll be fortifying their own borders.
I bet Germany is going to help.
Germany never helped anyone in their entire history.
France ? They'll probably surrender.
Luxembourg ? Netherlands ? Montenegro ? Belgium ? Mighty military.
UK ? Eternal anglos helping anyone has to be a joke.
NATO is USA, and USA alone.
And they wouldn't risk a total war with Russia over fucking balts.
You have to realise that any war with Russia would inquire massive casulties for both sides.
Nobody will do it to save baltic states.
Not a single country.
Even if only Estonia got invaded, Lithuania and Latvia would condemn russia, but neither would send troops to help.
It's just the way of things.
>>68044233
Ayy lmao
Yugoslavia in 1999 (only Serbia and Montenegro)
Total population 7-8 million people
Already been in two civil wars which pretty much rekt the economy.
Entire NATO bombs -> NATO STRONG
And no, we did not have Russian technology.
Yugoslavia was up until the late 60s in pretty bad relations with the soviet union.
Didn't get much better in the 80s, Soviet Union owed Yugoslavia a lot of money.
So, no, we didn't have Russian technology.
They wouldn't even sell us their S-300.
We had Yugoslavia tech.
>>68044301
Technically, Japan is very close ally to NATO (and BTW pays a lot for it, more than EU states)
>This would actually be more likely than Baltics being defended by the French, Spanish,Dutch or Italians.
Dutch, maybe. But really don't count on French, Spanish or Italians.
This is just because Baltic state are just complete strangers to us. We have much more in common with North Africa than with Baltic state.
And also learn history, especially how Russian defeated the entire Japan army in Manchuria (1 millions soldiers, 90K went back home) right after having defeated the nazis.
That's the real reason of the japanese surrender: in no less than 3 weeks Soviets would have been in Tokio.
>>68044996
they weren't the US
you guys are the biggest bluffers ever. Always been 10-15 years behind the US.
Nearly lost a fucking border scuffle with China.
Since then you guys just been murdering farmers with pitchforks in Chechnya and Ossetia.
Nice training Ivan.
How you gonna match are logistics game when your economy is crashing. lol,
Just wait till China takes your fucking siberian ice, and US will laugh all the way from Essti and Poland.
>>68044867
Russian ICBMs are the most advanced in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M
>>68044393
back to square 1 my friend: You have NATO not as a real defense tool, but as a way to exist internationally.
>>68044938
We actually signed a non-agression pact because Germany was a major power and our neighbour, it was normal to have diplomatic relations with it. The British and the French were signing deals with them at the time, not to mention the Soviets. Nobody boycotted Hitler, he was widely admired across the west for lifting Germany up, eugenics, racism and anti-semitism bothered noone, it was a standard in European politics. In 1938 he didn't even have a bad reputation, the genocides and wars that changed everything were yet to start.
>>68045581
Dutch are great at defending
Did a bang up job in Bosnia.
Might army, russia should tremble.
kek
>>68044938
Yep: the same ideology, which was get rid of the Bolcheviks and Genocide the East, especially Russia.
Jews were just a secondary target, much easier than Soviet.
>>68045682
>thinks bigger boom is advanced
stupid nigger
US are more accurate and reliable
are boomer boats are silent and deadly
Good goyim, keep the fear mongering going.
Ignore the other problems, hehehe...
>>68045716
>exist internationally
>defense
It ties in, sure, but at is core it's for defense, because nobody knows when or why would Russia or forces from Russia like Bolsheviks would invade, so NATO helps to ensure that there will be at least chance of getting help and also, to take invasion of Baltics too troublesome and not worth, at the end of the day, if Russia does not attack, I'm fine.
>>68045828
>Nobody boycotted Hitler, he was widely admired across the west for lifting Germany up, eugenics, racism and anti-semitism bothered noone, it was a standard in European politics. In 1938 he didn't even have a bad reputation
I'm aware, was it Churchill that said that there is no other man that he trust more then Hitler, before the war? Everyone makes mistakes, I guess.
>>68045502
>Here's a well-researched, realistic article by a retired US Army Col
>Us army col realistic on Russia
>Us army realistic
>Us realistic
Are you for real ?
>>68045674
>they weren't the US
And Serbia with weapons from fucking 60s (that still downed your shitty super puper newest plane) was Russia, right?
We've been fighting the same terrorist goatfuckers that you were fighting (and still lost lol) with all your might, except not in a desert where there's nowhere to hide but in fucking lush mountains where they can hide anywhere.
Compared to them, our weapons are much better and would deal enough damage to make it by far the most devastating war for you even without nukes. Your fat omnisexuals can't fight in any real combat without a 100:1 advantage.
>>68045922
>Did a bang up job in Bosnia.
i guess they didn't realize they'd be up against totally degenerate animal scum intent on genocide and mass murder of civilians - i mean really, who knew ?
>>68045973
For Hitlers Germany. Poland was busy with us, over Vilnius dispute.
>>68032790
At least they're not cucks.
>>68046416
Great meme.
>>68031561
they already said they cant. according to statements from nato they cant beat russias response time and in old war games russia can mobilize enough shit that nato cant do much but walk in and get slaughtered
>>68046650
Over governments are though, that soviet mentality works well for EU bureaucracy.
>>68046249
You seem to be pretty realistic anon, so why don't you push the brainstorm to the logical issue:
What will be the price for Russia that could justify invading your country ?
What do you have that Russia don't have, and want so badly they would be ready to invade to take it ?
What's your juice that would be worth the Russian's squeeze ?
>>68031561
yes no
>>68031561
WIll Estonia be able to find Lenin's statue dropped on their territory by the russian plane?
Find out in the new season of "My little Eesti: russophobia is magic"
>>68031561
>Would NATO defend the Baltics?
It would be extremely painful
>>68046249
Why the flying fuck would Russia want to invade anything? They've been running isolationist policies for years. Besides, there is literally nothing to be had from the Baltic states.
Look at how much it costs to keep foreign troops on our land. That's right, WE'RE paying for it. And the military "training" where our pathetic little cuck armies fire Javelin rockets for 100k euros a pop, Jesus fucking Christ that makes my blood boil.
All that money wasted on useless shit instead of actually useful government spending like healthcare and pensioners.
The fear mongering got you good, goy.
>>68046397
>hurrr durrr I didn't read the article
>>68032790
>literally worthless nations desu senpai
At least they're not getting pounded by Arabs,cuck.
>>68047283
USA makes you pay for everything.
We paid USA to bomb belgrade in WW II
>>68031561
We got your back Balticbros.
We are experiencing in dropping the Russian dead.
Our specialty.
t. Only Country to Officially Kill Russians Since WWII
>>68045828
My view is a little bit different: for Anglosphere, not paying a debt is something above the human rights.
Soviet nationalized every western assets in Russia, which have made a lot of western capitalist really butthurt.
It shaped the EU behaviour toward nazis. A lunatic write a book telling he's going to genocide the bolcheviks and the jews which are btw the same in his mind. German oligarchy which were very afraid of communism that were spreading in Germany said "why don't we try this faggot Hitler ...", finance him and put him in power.
Since day one, he imprisonned all the communists, and get rid of every worker's syndicate.
All EU country which were facing the same issue of raising communist saw in Hitler a very good solution to either get rid of communism, and to make the soviet pay big time for what they did.
Then, you have the entire pattern: Give to Hitler the ability to wage a war against Soviet. He just did it, but his way, and finally lost it.
>>68047132
I do think that under normal circumstance there is no need for Russia to invade Baltics.
If something goes down in west or Russia or both, then who knows, Russia might just invade us for tactical reasons
>>68047283
>And the military "training" where our pathetic little cuck armies
Those are OUR armies, for what they are worth.
>>68048163
That would make sense if Russia really had an invasion army.
Honest pple that are aware of military policies perfectly know that Russian army is a defensive army.
The deep reason is that Russia has never been imperialistic, nor expansionist.
They've even protected Finland from Sweden empire (also a root cause of Russophobia for them)
If you look at the recent history, you find out that the Russian "gains" in land are very very modest (Ossetia, Abkahzia, Crimea, Transnistria and that's all). For all, one can say Russia has been forced to recognize their independance to stop a conflict that would have killed the Russian population there.
And when you compare that to the loss of land when USSR collapsed, and they give all that away without a war or a major conflict.
Clearly not the behaviour of an imperialistic country.
>>68048163
on the other hand, you are right if Baltic is on a path of a Russian goal.
But really, I can't imagine what could be a Russian military goal in EU for which Baltics need to be invaded.
I mean, I can't imagine Russia attacking first, and if they suffer a full blow attack by any NATO member, they'll go nuclear - because they fucking already told so.
>>68041293
We're pretty darn cute for one.
>>68032790
cuck talking. EBIN :DDD :^)
>>68041293
we have freedom here, heard you guys liked it
other than that I see no other reasons desu
>>68042933
My roommate tried to suicide. Apparently was found with the veins cut. People are just fucking stupid combined with the social pressure, that's all.
>>68047283
delusional cuck spotted
I bet when the russians invade you'd be the first guy at the border with your pants down and ass up just waiting to get rammed by some koljas big slav dick
>>68032681
Nukes are a hoax though.
>>68034920
That is some quality banter my friend.
>>68050087
And there is some anon spending time to shoop that ...
>>68052037
Dunno, I got it from a post...I believe some hungarian or something shooped it, not me tho.
>>68048243
Ours is worth 2% of the GDP, and it produces NOTHING of value. They are a drain on the economy.
The only solution for our countries is to stop the fear mongering, get our heads out of our asses and normalize our relationship with the neighboring country that would love to expand into the Western market and has shekels to spare.
>>68051717
Exhibit A - the delusional, brainwashed EKRE supporter.
Protip: just because USA puppets like Rõivas and Ilves say Russia will invade, they're won't invade.
It's time to open your eyes and look at the problems they want to slide with "muh russian invasion".
> when a relevant country invades an irrelevant ""country"" France and UK ALWAYS do help
trust me
>>68052367
>The only solution for our countries is to stop the fear mongering, get our heads out of our asses and normalize our relationship with the neighboring country that would love to expand into the Western market and has shekels to spare.
Bruh that's the most dumbest thing I've every heard you do realize your like an insect to Russia.
>>68046650
But they are, not in the common way, but they are cucks.
>>68052367
>The only solution for our countries is to stop the fear mongering, get our heads out of our asses and normalize our relationship with the neighboring country
can't be more this.
NATO was a cold war pact against a so-called soviet agression, in fact it was a fraud from day 1.
It should have been terminated when USSR ceased to exist.
Pple in ex USSR countries were told everything will be allright if siding with EU, but the entire economy of these countries were in fact related to Russia.
So they failed economically, I mean they are still heavily dependant on Russian business, and did not succeeded in selling something to EU. All this aggravated by the fact pple just fled the countries to obtain better salaries elsewhere.
So instead of admitting they've been so wrong, they just stepped into a suicidal blame game.
Yet Russia just fucking no longer care now, because hey, they're no longer soviet.
>>68031885
Why would you want to kick such a friendly looking thing?
>>68054588
>more jobs because Russia expands its businesses into Estonia
>Estonian businesses expand into Russia
>surplus goods exported into Russia
>new goods imported from Russia and sold at very competitive prices
>transit fees
But hey, Russia is still the evil imperialistic rogue state that aims for world domination, right? Oh wait, that's you.
>>68031561
That knitted memeball is pretty cute, right lads?
>>68031561
>>68033132
Thinking that MURICA would go nuclear war over some shitty country .
>>68033084
They did, the USA just took a different approach. The idea is that because our country is big, and we don't know what an enemy would target, it is best to just have clinics and a hardened building every once in a while so survivors, no matter what places aren't hit, are able to find supplies and shelter in the short term.
>>68055792
Russians won't do shit
They won't bother the roaches let alone a country inhabited by actual humans
>>68056297
I always described the Ukrainians as the Jews of eastern europe. what are the Jews of western Europe
>>68044055
>Says France
>His country was retaken by US, and commonwealth soldiers
Whatever you say De Gaulle.
>>68052367
>Ours is worth 2% of the GDP, and it produces NOTHING of value. They are a drain on the economy.
>The only solution for our countries is to stop the fear mongering, get our heads out of our asses and normalize our relationship with the neighboring country that would love to expand into the Western market and has shekels to spare.
Nah man. The only solution is to form new alliances with countries that actually have shared interests. And there are at least three areas where most of central and eastern Europe shares those interests. It's protecting our borders from mass immigration, having blocking power within EU and creating military strong enough to deter any form of Russian aggression. This is doable.
>>68031561
>Would NATO defend the Baltics? Is Russia brave enough to test Article 5?
not with obama, that's for sure.
>>68032681
As I watch this Webm in silence, I realize that there is a band of space where people will be too close to survive but too far away to immediately hear the detonation.
They will see the flash and have a few moments of silence to contemplate the happening before the wave of thunderous destruction washes over them.
>>68046650
They bend over backwards for every foreign occupier and have done since the beginning of time. They are Russia's cum-dumpster.
>>68057439
Can you imagine it ?
The people on the ISS watching as Russia and USA exchange nukes.
Would they get into a fight on the ISS ?
Stab eachothers suits with pencils ?
>>68056751
Right now, the most immediate and biggest problem in EU is not Russia, but Poland.
For at least 2 reason
* They are hopelessly russophobic (and it's much older than the 1917 revolution)
* They have a lunatic president, and no one willing to stop him
>>68057890
Isn't Poland kinda busy fucking around with Germany and refugees?
