Why does the 2nd amendment matter so much?
>>68023064
Bill of Rights, not Bill of Needs. Fuck off and die in a fire, Commie.
At the end of the world when the dollar is worth nothing and the armies of evil come knocking at your door the only thing you will want is a way to defend yourself.
>>68023064
Because it is the only thing preventing the globalists from flipping this mother fucker.
>>68023064
>>68023064
>Why does the 2nd amendment matter so much?
it enables the populace to defend the rest of their rights by force, if need be.
>>68025509
>bomb blocs of American infrastructure just to get a couple guys with rifles
If it got to that point, the rebels would have already won.
Russia and China would probably put boots on the ground here to assist rebels as well
>>68025509
Lets play who would win
A bunch of small Vietnamese farmers with outdated rifles
Or
The largest and most advance military complex in the world.
Fuck off you cuck, why don't you just bend over like north korea, china, Italy, germany ext ext did and give your guns up.
You are a Canadian proxy troll anyway.
>>68025509
>$25,000 per missile
>can only kill up to 5 people per missile
>pilots are humans and susceptible to bullets while they sleep in their beds
The establishment wouldn't last a year.
>>68027055
>What is precision guided missile
>What is most of the FREEDUMZ Teatarded Trumpfags are out in the boonies. Not in cities.
Conservatards don't have infrastructure.
>>68023064
Because the people have a right to defense from everyone, including the government.
And the government can't be trusted to regulate itself.
>>68027134
>>68023064
Much like anything else, a lot of it's value is derived from how much people keep trying to take it.
Because it pisses off libcucks
>>68023064
Because if there is ever a move to restrict my free speech I am gonna need to take out a few politicians.
>>68027201
Shhh. Don't worry. Barack Hussein Obama has a comfy FEMA camp for you.
Because unlike you faggot cucks and your eurotrash boyfriends, we don't want to be overrun by a bunch of brown pieces of shit who want to behead and burn us alive.
The american government is supposed to be the apparatus of the people.
The people cannot control the government if the government has a monopoly on force.
Therefore the people need the monopoly on force.
Therefore people need guns.
it's important because it allows average whites to keep niggers and the government from harming them
>>68023064
Because it's a relatively simple, tangible thing that can be debated. Also conservatives tend to own firearms. Liberals are OMG TERRIFIED OF INANIMATE OBJECT
>>68025381
also this
Look at the UK, Australia. First guns are gone, then hate speech laws, now they are starting to restrict protests.
>>68023064
Because the man who created our nation said so.
>>68027852
It's the only true power granted to the people in the constitution. Without the 2nd amendment, it's just a piece of paper that carries about as much credibility of a pinky promise. The right to bear arms ensures the protection of all other rights.
>>68027689
Can I have you Mallard?
>>68023064
Because it prevents the Government from doing anything crazy like trying to import 5,000,000 "Syrian Refugees" or stripping away the peoples rights.
People who argue that the government is too powerful to fight are absolutely retarded. A bunch of sandniggers in caves with ak-47's and small explosives have held off the worlds largest and most powerful military for years and same with the Gooks.
Unless you're willing to slaughter civilians on a grand scale to weed out a couple rebels it's impossible to win a guerrilla war.
>>68023064
The US Constitution lays out the checks and balances between the different branches of the government - ensuring that no one branch of the government becomes too powerful or abuses the power it has.
The amendments to The US Contitution - The Bill of Rights - lays out the checks and balances between the government and the people - ensuring that the government doesn't become too powerful or abuses the power it has.
>>68025509
Gonna be really hard to launch those plans when an entire city that your miltary base is in is marching on you
>>68028000
He hates us right now. We're all gonna be denied access to the great American heaven.
>>68027947
>Here's what's going to happen...
>Amerilard thinks there's going to be a revolution
>>68028332
You'll still be in the basement.
Americans would tire themselves out on this "march".
What's the obesity rate now? Like 50%?
They would put up a Facebook post asking for donations of snacks and candies and forget about what they were marching for.
>>68027387
>forgets what he is arguing about
http://icasualties.org/oef/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=Canada
>>68023064
Because, in my opinion, either all of the Constitution matters, or none of it does. People are free to use the first amendment to argue against the second, but should recognize that failure to uphold the second may open a door in diminishing the first.
>>68028392
Humanity is worthy of detestation.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misanthrope
>>68028606
Yeah Harper was a shit tier military leader. I'm not denying that. He sent so many Canadian boys to their deaths. Just like Bush. That's how conservatives prove they're tough.
>What is 158
>What is 5000
Or are you not counting Iraq War deaths anymore?
>>68028566
>americans are obese
>americans get btfo by goatfuckers with AKs
>american government made up of americans is da stronkest you'd get btfo my drones its 2026!
Not really being consistent there champ
>>68028566
>counter argument
>American are too fat and lazy
suuuuureee arbitrary at best
>>68028845
Youre holding us back as a species if thats not a troll, and Ive seen so must disgusting leftism recently I really have my doubts.
>>68023141
First post is always best post
>>68027689
gib duck
>>68023064
240 years of no tyranny or occupation by foreign powers.
>>68023064
It tells you right in the amendment
"Being necessary to the security of a free state"
Because I so relentlessly advocate for strict gun control, I have encountered equally relentless counter-arguments from gun advocates who would not countenance any regulation of their firearms. From those encounters, I found that every pro-gun argument falls into one of five categories. They are:
Red herring: "Guns are not the problem; violent video games/mental healthcare/racial minorities are the problem."
Legal: "Gun ownership is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution."
Public policy: "More guns prevent crimes."
Pragmatic: "It is not practically possible to eliminate guns from the United States."
Political philosophy: "Civilian gun ownership prevents tyranny."
All five of them are wrong, and it is quite easy to show how they are wrong. The first argument is a genuinely dishonest red herring. When pressed, even gun advocates have to admit that guns make deaths happen much more easily and efficiently. Whatever murderous tendencies Americans may have, there is no question that guns provide an easy connection between murderous tendencies and actual deaths. A data point here would suffice: suicidal acts with guns are fatal in 85% of the cases, while suicidal acts with pills are fatal in 2% of the cases. (This is why we arm our military with guns, not pills.) And regulating a single category of item makes much more sense than, say, putting every single American through mental examination or pre-screening all video games to make sure none of them is too violent.
>>68027201
Also,
>Military still needs to eat. Food doesn't just come out of thin air.
The legal argument is also wrong. Here, I particularly delight in exposing the self-made constitutional scholars, since I wrote a lengthy paper about the Second Amendment implications before District of Columbia v. Heller was decided in 2008. To be sure, Heller was a laughable decision. It was a 5-4 decision a la Bush v. Gore, i.e. straight along the partisan line. More importantly, Heller--which was decided only five years ago--was the very first Supreme Court case ever to find that the Second Amendment guaranteed individual rights of gun ownership, even though the Second Amendment has existed for more than 200 years. In doing so, the five conservative justices of the Supreme Court overturned hundreds of years of legal precedents that have held, consistently, that there is no individual right to gun ownership under the Constitution.
But even if we are to treat Heller as the law of the land--and we must, out of respect for the Constitution--the Heller opinion itself clearly leaves room for increased gun ownership control: “nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on . . . laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.” In short, there is nothing unconstitutional or illegal about, say, banning all assault weapons or high-capacity magazines from civilian ownership. Likewise, there is nothing unconstitutional or illegal about instituting a gun buy-back program, or imposing a significant amount of tax on every gun and bullet sold (as long as the tax is not so great that it effectively acts as a bar to ownership,) or requiring every gun owner to purchase a liability insurance.
>>68023064
Killing niggers.
Although North Korea grabs all the headlines for its totalitarianism, it is lost on most people that, for the first few decades of its existence, South Korea was not much better than its northern brethren. The current Republic of Korea (South Korea) was established in 1948. Although nominally established as a democracy, the country was not fully democratized until 1987.
In the four decades between its birth and full democratization, South Korea would undergo three fascist dictators. The first one, Syngman Rhee (who was also South Korea’s first president,) ruled for 12 years by rigging elections at first, then later declaring himself to be the lifetime president. A popular protest overthrew him and established a democratic government. (Rhee fled to Hawaii, where he died.) That democratic government lasted a year and a half, until the second dictator, Park Chung-hee, rolled into Seoul with tanks to depose the democratic government. He, too, rigged elections and declared himself to be the lifetime president. Park proceeded to rule the country for 18 years, until he was assassinated. Amid the chaos that followed, the third dictator--Chun Doo-hwan--again rolled into Seoul with tanks and anointed himself to be the president. He ruled for 7 years, until 1987.
When I say Rhee, Park and Chun were fascists, I literally mean the term “fascists.” They were real, true fascists who commandeered the Korean economy and fattened their own coffers. (Chun was found to have collected more than a billion dollars during his seven-year reign into his slush fund, a staggering sum for South Korea of the 1980s.) They held up newspaper editors at gunpoints and dictated what the newspapers should say. If the Korean people criticized their rule, they were beaten, tortured and killed. If a leader emerged in the opposition, they jailed and/or assassinated the leader.
>>68025509
>the people who swore an oath to defend the people of their country will launch missiles at those same people they swore to defend
you are retarded
>>68023064
>a well regulated militia the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
That doesn't work.
Yet today, South Korea boasts the most robust democracy in East Asia. In 2013, it is virtually unimaginable that South Korea would backslide into another round of military rule. South Korean democracy is operates efficiently enough to foster its world-class corporations. South Korean democracy creates peaceful resolutions to fractious political issues in accordance with the rule of law. In its quarter-century history, South Korean democracy already experienced two peaceful transitions of power--conservative to liberal, then again to conservative.
What is more, South Korean democracy serves its essential function: check the excesses of power in accordance with the rule of law. In 1996, the democratic Korean government successfully prosecuted Chun Doo-hwan to life in prison. When the sons of presidents Kim Young-sam and Kim Dae-jung were alleged to have received bribes, Korea’s justice system investigated them and put them into jail. When president Roh Moo-hyun in 2004 was alleged to have violated election laws, he was impeached. Korea’s press serves their rightful role as the watchdog, being independent (albeit with commonplace journalistic slants,) loud and activist.
In short, South Korea is a free country--although, only a quarter century ago, it was not. And Korean people managed to achieve this peacefully, without resorting to guns.
The 2nd Amendment says that the US government should not have a standing army, but that defense of the country should rather be handled by militias.
Pretty much every historian agrees with this interpretation.
The founding fathers were clever enough to figure out that a government cannot subdue it's population with a militia but it can do it if it has a professional army.
But Americans are arrogant. They think that just because their soldiers are from the ranks of the poor amongst them, they would never turn against them. They don't see the countless examples from other countries where this happened and continues to happen.
I really don't understand why this is an issue, to be perfectly honest. You implement common sense regulations but you don't ban guns entirely.
People should be allowed access to guns, but you implement regulations to prevent crazies and mentally ill from obtaining them. Simple background checks and eliminate the gun show loophole.
If people seriously think that Obama or anybody else wants to "ban all guns", then they're delusional. If people want to go hunting with rifles, fine. People want a pistol for personal defense or a shotgun for home defense? Fine. But you don't allow people access to assault rifles, that's ridiculous. Just use some fucking sense.
I have told this story enough times to know that, right around this point of the story, the gun advocate would interject: “But you never know what would have happened if Koreans did have guns. If Koreans had guns, the dictatorship may have fallen in 10 years or 20 years instead of 40.” But actually, Koreans did try the armed insurrection option first.
The second dictator, Park Chung-hee, was assassinated in October 1979. But the Korean people’s brief hope for democracy was almost immediately dashed, when Chun Doo-hwan rolled into Seoul with tanks in December 1979. For the first few months afterward, Chun attempted to co-opt the democratization activists into his faction, hoping that the activists would support the military’s role in politics. But Korea’s democratization activists soon saw through Chun Doo-hwan to be as much of a dictator as Park Chung-hee. In early May 1980, the activists resumed their demands for democracy and protests in the streets. In response, on May 17, 1980, Chun Doo-hwan declared martial law nationwide, dissolved the National Assembly and arrested 2,699 opposition leaders and democratization activists. Pursuant to the martial law--which is really no law at all--Chun Doo-hwan sent the military to all major cities to quell any organized opposition to his ascendance. One of the objectives of the military was to drive out the students from college campuses, traditionally the epicenter of democratization movement.
In the southwestern city of Gwangju, the sixth largest city in Korea which many of the democratization movement leaders called home, the protesters took a stand. On the morning of May 18, the day after the nationwide martial law was declared, some 800 Jeonnam University students gathered outside of the gates of their campus in Gwangju, and demanded the paratroopers who were guarding the gate to step aside, so that they may attend their classes.
>>68023064
Because look at Europe.
The next day, Gwangju was in a full-blown rebellion with tens of thousands of protesters, as regular Gwangju citizens, enraged by the paratroopers assault on the city, joined the student protesters. The military government sent reinforcement, with orders for a more brutal crackdown. Paratroopers were now armed with bayonets, and went on a beating and stabbing rampage across the city. They would kill the first Gwangju citizen that day; a thirty-year-old deaf man was dead from brain hemorrhage after having been beaten from the paratroopers. The fight continued the next day, with the protesters setting up barricades and raining rocks upon the paratroopers. The events would take a fateful turn at around 11 p.m. on May 20. At the Gwangju train station plaza, the paratroopers opened fire to the protesters. Three protesters died on the spot; dozens more were injured. Having learned that the military government was ready to shoot and kill civilians, the citizens of Gwangju began to arm themselves.
This scene might warm the heart of an American gun advocate. Indeed, this scene may as well be the exact type of romantic image that the “we-need-guns-to-fight-tyranny” folks have been dreaming of. Because the citizens of Gwangju were able to raid the nearby military armories, they were armed with military grade weapons, including walkie-talkies, assault rifles, M2 machine guns, hand grenades and TNTs. The citizen militia even had KM900 armored cars (!) as they raided an automobile plant in Gwangju that manufactured armored cars. What is more, Gwangju’s citizen militia actually knew how to properly use these weapons. Because nearly every Korean male served (and still serves) two years of mandatory military service, Gwangju’s citizens did not face a deficit of disciplined organization against the incoming military government’s forces.
>>68029863
>The legal argument is also wrong. Here, I particularly delight in exposing the self-made constitutional scholars
>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
> "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Probably because it's pretty self explanatory in the first place.
In fact, the entire city of Gwangju organized with discipline. Although there was no police or any other law enforcement, there was no looting or disorder. Although every man was armed, there was no robbery. The citizen militia took over the local granary and distributed food in an orderly fashion. Those with medical training volunteered to tend the wounded; people lined up to give their blood. Womenfolk delivered food, ammos and messages to the militia in the forward positions. Most importantly, just like they learned in the military, the armed citizens of Gwangju fortified key buildings of the city, and waited for the advance.
The city would remain free for one week. On May 27, 1980, the paratroopers, escorted with tanks, overran the provincial office of Gwangju, the citizen militia’s last holdout. The entire episode--later termed Gwangju Democratization Uprising--claimed more than 600 lives, including eight young children under the age of 14. More than three thousand Gwangju citizens were injured; nearly 1,600 people were arrested, and were tortured for days, months. The trauma from the arrest was so great that more than 10 percent of those arrested committed suicide after release.
Does freedom require civilian gun ownership? If your answer is yes, here is a follow-up question--why is it that so many oppressed people around the world, who are keenly aware of their oppression and are doing everything to fight for freedom, are not clamoring for the right to civilian gun ownership? American democracy is the envy of the world, the ultimate model for the emerging democracies. How is that none of those emerging democracies have guaranteed a right to civilian gun ownership, even as they emulate American democracy?
A gun is like a penis replacement. If your whole nation sufferrs from micro penis you'll understand that having guns is absolutely crucial.
>>68030040
only marines are brainwashed enough to kill american civvies with no problem
This was also the case for the South Korean democracy, which was explicitly modeled after the American one--after all, the first constitution of South Korea was practically written by American attorneys and legal scholars. Korea’s democratization activists enthusiastically called for all the peculiar features of America’s democracy to be incorporated into Korean democracy, such as freedom of speech and press or the checks and balances of the three branches of the government.
But not civilian gun ownership. In fact, South Korea has been one of the most gun-free societies in the world from the beginning of the republic, through the military dictatorships and as a democracy today. This is not because Koreans are effete sissies who are irrationally afraid of guns. Nearly every Korean male serves his military duty, during which he constantly handles weapons. Indeed, as a society, Korea may have a healthier “gun culture” than the U.S., since everyone who is likely to handle firearms undergoes a rigorous and proper training. Yet, even in the face of the murderous tyranny, Koreans did not even consider the possibility of demanding civilian gun ownership. Why?
Because Koreans understood that freedom is a social movement. Freedom is not a piece of golden fleece that a bullet-spraying, Rambo-like hero can snatch off from a mythical beast. (Indeed, only someone who never truly experienced tyranny--i.e. majority of Americans--would think this way.) Your ability to fend off one or two lackeys of the dictatorship who are coming to arrest you means nothing, when the dictatorship can easily send one or two dozen more. As we could see from Gwangju, even a whole city organized and armed is no match for the tyranny that is able to bear down the rest of the country’s forces upon that city. Freedom in a society happens when, and only when, that entire society demands freedom.
>>68030485
Pointless rhetoric. Go fuck off, will you?
>>68030074
South Korea literally only exists because the US has a tripwire of troops lining the DMZ. What a dumb piece of shit you are.
Only seven years after the massacre in Gwangju, South Korean citizens would prove this point. On January 14, 1987, a student activist Park Jong-cheol was killed while being waterboarded under police custody. The Chun Doo-hwan dictatorship initially attempted to cover up the death. But on May 18, 1987, at the seven-year memorial mass of the Gwangju Uprising held in Seoul, Father Kim Seung-hoon revealed that Park in fact died because of torture. Another round of protest erupted across Korea. On June 9, 1987, Yi Han-yeol, another student activist was fatally wounded by a tear gas shell while marching in the ensuing demonstrations.
>>68023064
I should be able to defend myself from anyone
You have no right to tell me how I should defend myself
You are sending whoever you send to collect the guns to their death or to kill or rob
>2016
Korean people have had enough. Over the next three weeks, the country would erupt in waves of protests, at a scale never seen before. The Chun dictatorship deployed 60,000 armed police to crack down the protests, but the police was overrun by the sheer number of the protesters. The protesters were no longer just college students; they were priests in robes, high school students in uniforms, white collar workers in suits. The protesters asked the drivers to show their support for the movement by waving white handkerchief out of their windows while honking their horns as they passed by the protesters. It was an incredible scene: the streets of Seoul were a cacophonous din of white, with every car pressing down on its horns and waving a white handkerchief.
The protests crested on June 26, when more than 1.3 million Koreans marched for democracy in 37 cities across the country. Three days later, the dictatorship capitulated, and issued a statement promising direct elections and transition to true democracy. In December 1987, South Korea would hold the first free and fair presidential election in the republic’s history. Thus, Koreans achieved what Mahatma Gandhi achieved in India, what Martin Luther King Jr. achieved in America--they defeated tyranny without guns.
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>>68030622
Sub 2" american micropenis detected.
>>68030485
Says the nation of cux. You'd be German or Russian right now if it weren't for the US and it's firepower.
>>68023335
>would rather go out in a blaze of glory than use skills and knowledge
If the fight comes to your doorstep, the only thing you'll be able to do with a gun is make sure you aren't taken prisoner.
>>68027387
I like the pic name
You also probably say
>lol you think you can defend yourself from the us army
>they have tanks and shiet
>>68023064
>Why does the 2nd amendment matter so much?
I am not sure it does. I don't think it does anything.
It's one of two amendments keeping us from becoming Sweden.
>>68030711
>Can't defend himself without a gun
Do you even lift?
The 2nd amendment doesn't matter.
What actually gives you the right to own a gun are your state laws.
You can own a gun in one state, because the state laws allow it, and not own the same gun in another state.
What actually decides how you can own a gun and which guns you can own are your STATE LAWS; not the second amendment.
Instead of saying "Shall not be infringed" you guys should be quoting a statute instead.
>>68030816
TL;DR
>paratroopers storm gwangju after citizens march for democracy
>gun nuts arm themselves and raid the armory and fortify the city, as they were taught to do as part of their military training
>one week later the entirety of the SK army rolls in and crushes the insurrection in a massacre
>8 more years of dictatorship
>non-violent protests end up changing the government to a democracy
>>68030990
I'm for increased gun regulations, you fucking retard. Doesn't change that you're spouting pointless rhetoric which adds nothing to the conversation.
>>68023141
First post best post.
>>68023141
can't tell of sincere or sarcastic cause Aussie.
>>68031152
>niggers and spics armed with hipoints
>"I can bench 300"
>>68028862
No matter what Muricans lose
>consistency
>>68030040
They'll do it. Cops already do it all the time. Nobody kills more Americans than cops. And they kill more whites than niggers just so you know.
BTFO
>g-guns don't kill people! people kill people!
>For every one percent rate increase in a state's firearm ownership rate, there's a 30% increase in gun deaths
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?journalCode=ajph
>Gun deaths are lower in states with AWBs
>>68031270
Guns are pretty much penis replacement when you think about it. The whole "protect my balls" rethoric is bullshit, big firearm manufacturers make mad dosh for it and you feel more manly by buying expensive fallic objects.
>>68031057
And helicopter gunships.
And weapons that we don't know about.
>A-an armed society is a polite society!
• Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16434012
• Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/american-public-health-association/when-concealed-handgun-licensees-break-bad-criminal-convictions-of-patzzJ6ljx?articleList=%2Fsearch%3Fquery%3Dfirearms%26dateFacetFrom%3DNOW%252FDAY-5YEARS%26internal_rental_state%3Drentable%26journal_journal_name%5B%5D%3DAmerican%2BJournal%2Bof%2BPublic%2BHealth
• In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10 percent increase in homicides.
http://econweb.tamu.edu/mhoekstra/castle_doctrine.pdf
>>68031947
in places where people are murdered people buy the means to defend themselves? who would have thought...
the causal direction is not tyrone shot my neighbor because I bought a gun. I bought a gun because tyrone shot my neighbor,
>>68029783
>Red herring: "Guns are not the problem; violent video games/mental healthcare/racial minorities are the problem."
>Legal: "Gun ownership is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution."
>Public policy: "More guns prevent crimes."
>Pragmatic: "It is not practically possible to eliminate guns from the United States."
>Political philosophy: "Civilian gun ownership prevents tyranny."
These are all true though. Most of them were proven in that gun violence study Obama made the CDC do.
>>68023064
SHALL
>>68023064
NOT
>>68031964
I've thought about it and it seems to me like you're just spouting bullshit. Firearm manufacturers definitely make money from the sale of assault rifles and this is obviously an issue which needs to be addressed. But the sale of regular guns, particularly rifles, is perfectly acceptable. I live in Vermont, own a rifle, and commonly use it for hunting during the season. Hunted animals make up a large part of my diet. The second amendment is important, just not as huge of a deal as strong conservatives make it out to be.
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't fucking trivialize the issue with your childish "penis" comparisons.
>>68023064
INFRINGED
>>68032037
Tell me honestly how many treads have you made about America losing in Vietnam
>>68032698
Spoke too soon, not everything in there is true. There's no evidence to suggest video games make people more violent. but mental health and minority violence does a lot to inflate the gun violence numbers.
>>68032760
>assault rifles
Kek
Yes we should also ban those evil assault cars too.
>>68032725
>>68032754
>>68032777
>>68032801
WELL REGULATED MILITIA
We can sit here all day and cherry pick, or we can look for real solutions and compromise.
>>68023064
>there is a crazy madman with a weapon coming to kill you
>you don't have a gun because your country is full of pussies and thinks they can be removed by making them illegal
>>68029229
It's the truth. Bush sent 5,000 American soldiers to their deaths in Iraq and said BRING EM ON.
Bush was a very tough conservative.
He kept America safe on 9/11, preventing the deaths of over 3,000 Americans. Including first responders.
>>68032926
>we can look for real solutions and compromise.
>assault rifles
Why do you want to give up your rights so badly? Why are you afraid of responsibility?
>>68032896
False equivalence. Cars aren't designed to kill multitudes of people in an active combat zone. Try again.
>>67931084
>thinks they can be removed by making them illegal
Which, guns or pussy?
>>68033080
Your right they're designed to not do that.
And yet they still do.
>>68033080
>Cars aren't designed to kill multitudes of people
Yet they do and they've been used to assault people.
>Would rather eliminate unalienable rights of United States citizens then ban something that causes far more death yet is a privilege not a right
You're on the wrong side.
I think it's largely symbolic, but important none the less. If you can remove rights enshrined in the bill of rights, then it really isn't worth anything. I think it is a slippery slope, look at countries who lost gun rights due to "reasonable" concers. They are now losing free speech due to "reasonable" concerns like hate speech. If you can take one thing, you can take anything.
>>68032926
Yes like you people would be okay with what would be a mostly white southern republican group of well armed men playing soldier
>>68032760
Come on now. We both know that the average citizen doesn't need a firearm (outside of exceptions like hunting) and the firearm industry relies on memes, guns are cool, that's why people buy them, protecting your balls is bullshit and it only makes things worse in case you get assaulted because there is definetly more tension when people are armed and know that the other party is armed aswell.
>>68030099
Shit
It's the ultimate right.
It allows you NOT to become a victim of oppression.
Just think about it. Here in Europe, if some fucker takes power by democratic vote and decides to fuck things up, there's literally nothing you can do to prevent it.
In the USA you have the opportunity to fight, while in Europe you have the opportunity to be another fucker that gets put against a wall and shot.
I ask all the fucking haters of the 2nd, if the 2nd doesn't work, why is the USA one of the few countries in the western world that never had a dictatorship or some form of authoritarian, non democratic government?
>>68033325
This guy gets it.
>Canned liberal response: Durr but it's just assault rifles
Assault rifles are illegal in the United States. You bleeding heart liberals are aware of this correct?
>>68023064
Just look at Brazil
/thread
I don't see the point in a 2nd amendment. No one uses it to abolish the government. It's mainly used in situations of self defense against other people. Not the government itself.
>>68033371
i never understood this pic she has a full auto
>>68033373
I know, right? What citizen could possibly need a gun.
Weren't you on your way to driving your girlfriend to her Syrian bull?
>>68033371
>assault riffles are the same as some faggot screaming niggers in public
>>68033678
If we aren't using to harm the government why does it care
>>68027947
More niggers getting BTFO by oppressors?
>>68033453
It takes someone who still has gun rights to see this stuff. Thank you Swissbro for understanding your own rights and the consequences if they get taken away.
>>68033705
I also bought a fucking kinder egg the other day
2 actually
>>68033453
>if some fucker takes power by democratic vote and decides to fuck things up
He'd have the full force of the military, the national guard, and the militarized police forces at his beck and call. Do you really think people with handguns, rifles, shotguns, can go up against the military/national guard/police forces?
>>68032926
The 2nd Amendment has been compromised enough. Or have you not been paying attention these last few decades.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR ARMS,
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It has been upheld by the Supreme Court time and time again that EVERY SINGLE US CITIZEN OF FIGHTING AGE IS PART OF THE MILITIA.
And using the language of the era it was written in 'well regulated' means 'well supplied'. Meaning citizens should have access to the same kind of arms that the government has.
Because it's literally the only thing keeping the globalists from steam rolling us.
>>68033705
That girl has terrible trigger discipline. Someone obviously wasn't responsible in that room.
Doesn't mean it should be banned, just means we should be taking ...
>wait for it liberals...
....
...
Personal responsibility!!
>>68032935
Pretty much this.
>>68023064
The 2nd Amendment protects all the other ones.
>>68033729
You realize this hypothetical milta would be well armed right
>>68033889
Vietnam rings a bell?
Freedom is worth fighting for, btw.
>>68032926
>>68033712
You wouldn't do much with a gun and just potentially make the situation worse. Terrorist attacks are still exceptional and having a gun will almost never help you.
I live in a country where the average citizen doesn't have access to guns and it honestly feels safer than when I was in america, because even if I get assaulted (which includes the police) I know that the chance of being shot are non existant.
>>68025509
Drones can't patrol street corners nigga, they can't bust open doors and save hostages. There not gonna bombard there own cities.
>>68033322
>>68033305
I'm not for eliminating an unalienable right. I'm for the ownership of firearms with reasonable regulations. Not allowing access to assault rifles or other highly destructive weapons seems like common sense in order to promote public safety.
However, I'm interested in hearing your side because I don't think I quite understand your reasoning. On what logical basis should an average citizen be able to own an assault rifle?
>>68025509
So, why does every military in the world still have infantry and still give them small arms if drones have rendered these useless?
Check and mate, faglord
>>68033749
story?
>>68023064
The founding fathers knew that in order for a government to serve it's people the people as a collective must be a greater power in all facets.
It's pretty hard for nannystate cucks like leaf land and europe to understand,
>>68032926
Learn English you dumb spic
>>68023064
Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State. It's the only one that explains itself.
>>68033889
That's why guerrillas made of citizens are so effective.
Just look at the Partisans in the Balkans, the French resistance and the Jews in Poland. Sure they will suffer casualities, they will be hunted down and many will die. But that's not the point. The point is to show resistance, to show that the people are still willing to fight instead of accepting their fate.
A guerrilla is a tremendous psychological force of war, since it makes the enemy shit their pants EVERYWHERE they go, in the end you can bleed the enemy to the point where change in the government will be needed.
>>68028413
The whole reason there isn't one is because both sides are armed to the teeth.
How's your currency doing?
>>68033927
>Personal responsibility!!
>>68033850
>>68033927
o i know
i am just saying a full transferable m4 is like 28,000 dollars
>>68033889
Do you really think our armed forces, comprised of the families of the people would turn arms against their own?
>Durr the government has bombs
In our system of checks and balances, in the infinitesimal chance that someone was in power that turned our armed forces against us, 350,000,000 americans armed with the same calibers the ground troops fighting an army that is already questionable about it's mission would have no problem overturning the powers that be.
Without arms in the hands of the people, we certainly would stand no chance. Why do you want to disarm your own countrymen so badly?
>>68023064
Ask Mao
>>68032926
A balanced breakfast, being important to having a good day, the right of the people to keep and eat bacon shall not be infringed.
Dumbed it down for you. Now, does this clause mean that people can only have bacon as part of breakfast? Does it mean only the "day" is capable of deciding who gets bacon?
No. It just gives some logic on why it is making bacon free for all, and then it declares it to be so.
Can we stop pretending it's about "muh fundamental rights" and admit it's just the media brainswashing you into thinking guns are cool and jews making money from your stupidity?
There's way too much money in the firearm industry, jews will never allow goverment to make guns illegal.
>>68023064
>What is the 2nd amendment worth?
>Nothing... Everything
>>68034459
>Buying automatic guns made prior to 1986
Come on bro, it's 2016! Get that automatic conversion kit for a brand new AR-10 and keep it somewhere hidden until the shit hits the fan!
>>68023064
SHALL
>>68033903
>EVERY SINGLE US CITIZEN OF FIGHTING AGE IS PART OF THE MILITIA.
Thank you. I wish everyone would fucking know what the definition of militia is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)#Twentieth_century_and_current
>>68034623
NOT
>>68034606
The media is literally trying to brainwash people into going against guns. The Jews are trying to disarm people You're the one who is brainwashed you retarded cuck.
>>68033927
>Personal responsibility
Ah, yes. The bane of all conservatives.
>>68034764
INFRINGED
>>68033729
MUH SALT RAFFLES
>>68033903
>EVERY SINGLE
>well regulated
pick one
>>68033749
i feel sorry for the dude. Any "DAE NIGGERS ARE NOT HUMAN LOLXDDD" need not apply. Nobody deserves to die like that. Their idiotic society and beliefs is what is dangerous, not the colour of their skin.
>>68034606
>Stop pretending it's about "fundamental rights"
>Is a fundamental right
Frogbro, why do you want us to give up our guns? Are you jealous that literally anything could happen in your government and you, as a population, literally gave up your own rights to do anything about it?
>Hurr durr it's the joos
The jews want nothing more than to wipe our the white man and white culture because it scares them. Any group of people scares them because they have no real home. Keeping guns in the white mans hands is the #1 thing they're trying to avoid.
>>68034915
see >>68034178
>>68034041
Stop being intellectually dishonest. You've already lost that argument.
>>68032926
We've already compromised.
A lot actually.
>>68034915
What allows for a well-regulated militia? The right of the people keeping and bearing arms not being infringed.
>>68030485
"Muh dick"
Hey akmed
>>68029863
>>68029783
tl;dr desu
Why do you think you're important enough for me to read all that shit by you?
>>68027363
this
>>68034606
Let me give you an example.
What would happen if 80% of all Muslims in your country decided to start a nice Jihad in France?
Your army would be overwhelmed, your police would go to shit. In the end there's just you and your family, and now there's nobody to protect you or your loved ones.
Without guns you are just a sitting duck waiting to get shot in case shit happens.
>>68034611
>>68034722
Conservatives: Less government, less regulation, more personal responsibility
Liberals: More government, more regulation, less personal responsibility
This is why liberals hate guns. They literally want to be wrapped in the warm blanket of a bloated government nanny that tells them what is and isn't bad.
>Ah, yes. The bane of all conservatives.
That's cute.
>>68035002
We tried to bring them civilization, but they rejected it.. Luckily China is being smarter about it.
>>68035245
Ignore the cuck. Literally over a hundred of his own countrymen killed in on night and he still loves taking muslim dick up his ass. He will never learn.
>>68023064
>Cuck asking why freedom matters
>>68035029
I don't give a shit. It's a cultural thing and it's your country's choice to give everyone assault riffles. But this whole "muh rights" argument is bullshit, it's all about making people believe that guns are cool and selling them to them.
You're fucking naive if you think jews aren't making mad dosh from selling you firearms.
>>68035245
It's ok bro, they like it that way. That's why we have different countries with different rules. Frogbro can stay there and die, unarmed because he gave those rights up gladly a year ago. I'm not saying that literally every European in a kucked country isn't a man, but...well..yeah I am saying that.
Any man in a country where guns are banned who is ok with it isn't really a man, he's a neutered nu-male who should be ashamed to be a male in the first place.
Shame.
Shame.
>>68035032
>pointing out the actual words of the 2nd Amendment
>intellectually dishonest
Conservatism.
>>68031947
Let's see the racial, demographic breakdown of those areas overlaid. Remember the 80% of guns used in murders were illegal (i.e. 'straw') purchases or illegally obtained guns.
Do that comparison, and then, we'll talk.
>>68031964
>>68030990
>>68030485
t. Pierre Abdul Muhammad
>>68023064
>Why does the 2nd amendment matter so much?
To stop a government shitting on it's people.
>>68023064
YOU'RE A FUCKING LEAF
>>68035177
>What allows for a well-regulated militia?
A group of people getting together, training, and actually forming said militia.
>gun grabber starts thread
>gets BTFO on monumental levels
every time.
>>68023064
It represents the relationship between the people and the state.
>>68031947
You fucking retarded fishnigger.
No one gives a flying fuck about gun "deaths".
Subtract suicides.
Subtract black crime.
Observe murder rates on par or below cucked europe, with many associated violent crimes like robbery WELL below many european countries.
>you still want to kill liberty
Fuck you
>>68035310
>Conservatives: Less government, less regulation, more personal responsibility
>Liberals: More government, more regulation, less personal responsibility
Oh boy, you've been lied to.
![157933064d41d1e326bdada90cb8f82e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uJ6IW7d.jpg "157933064d41d1e326bdada90cb8f82e[1].jpg")
A government that can not trust the people with a gun, is not to be trusted.
>>68035568
Well it doesn't work.
>>68035460
>It's a cultural thing.
No, cheese and wine is a cultural thing.
Guns are a matter of how government is run. You can't go too far one way or the other without the very real possibility of citizen intervention.
You're not really a man if you can't defend your family. You gladly gave that right up. Doesn't mean we should.
Plus, honestly, if a jew made some money on my Ruger then more power to him for facilitating the events that led up to me being able to go down to my local gun store and purchase his product.
>>68031935
>nobody kills more americans than cops
lay off the green leaves
>>68035730
We've never been truly shit on.
Look at history in other countries.
>>68031935
>Nobody kills more Americans than cops. And they kill more whites than niggers just so you know.
Actually, no, Doctors kill the most patients with medical malpractice. As for intentional deaths people kill themselves (suicides) at a much higher rate. And assuming you want to rule out suicides, then it's homicides. Cop shootings are only like 700 people a year or something.
>>68035709
You seem misinformed.
>>68035460
>assault rifles
There's that word again. Few people actually own these, if you actually understand what the term means. Also Jews are the ones pushing gun control in congress. Stop being retarded.
>>68035688
>Subtract black crime.
Realisticaly speaking black people are just american as you so you can't take them out of the equation. You couldn't just limit the 2nd amendment to white people.
>>68033749
I bet you ANYTHING nobody else is going to steal again in that village after watching this
Sorry, my bad, that only works if they aren't niggers
>>68031935
Easy there, Trudeau. BTFOing your own comment makes you look super desperate.
>>68035854
No, it's pretty obvious that you're the one that's been lied to.
>>68031935
>literally lying
Liberals everyone.
>>68035898
First honest comment to come out of France in this thread.
>>68035752
The NSA is looking at pictures of your dick and you talk about government protecting your freedom. It's insanity.
And yes it's a cultural thing, people don't want guns in france. Going to the shooting range isn't something people do or want to do here. The government isn't "holding their guns hostage".
>>68035970
>Sees fact
>"You've been lied to"
>No facts to support claim
Oh boy...
>>68035460
No, it's literally a right, you dumbass.
>>68031778
Too busy mirin to shoot.
Welp looks like you fags need an example of the word "regulated" meaning a different thing when the 2nd was written than it does now.
This is from the Library of Congress, it's a military leader asking for more supplies because a group of natives are better regulated than the last group he fought.
Regulated meant brought up to a standard in this context. He's not saying the natives had more rules constricting their behavior, he's saying they have better guns and training.
>>68035002
The niggers are not human - they are the ones frequently lighting others on fire. Only niggers use this as a way of public execution.
>>68027947
I wish I could give you 4chan gold
>>68035730
>>68036031
It does work, but it depends on the society in question.
People in developed countries have a lot to lose if they decided to fight any injustice. It just needs to reach point where it's life or death.
Even with all the spying and what not, it's still not a bad situation compared to 2 centuries ago, where people were fucked beyond what we can understand and had absolutely nothing to lose, that's why there were so many revolutions and fights back then.
>>68036031
You are just a bunch of pussies, period. There's nothing that you guys will be able to do once shit happens in Europe, and believe me, with the current flood of those guys from Syria, we will see some serious shit happening.
What will you do when the police and the army cannot protect you and Ahmed with his pals are now going door to door with their black market AKs?
>>68036106
>presents unsupportable rhetoric
>gets called out on it
>calls the rhetoric facts
AHHH hahahaha!
>>68036031
It's fine if you want to be like lambs to the slaughter.
That's why I don't live in France.
>Massacre happens in country with heavy gun regulation
>Literally BTFO any argument about gun regulation
You gave it up, you let it happen, and you're going to pay the price.
>>68036294
You're trying awfully hard.
>>68035979
We are Slavs. Bigger empires with great leaders tried to make us bend, we didn't. I think we will remain, along with Polacks, Slovakians and the other eastern countries. Germany is severely fucked up though, as is Sweden(fuck, i wanted to move there once upon a time) and France.
>>68023064
It pisses the government off
>>68035970
You are literally in favor of more regulations on firearms. What he said is true. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you pretend like this? Just admit it. A normal liberal would admit it and say "well I don't think people can be trusted to take personal responsibility in certain situations."
You could have said that instead of being retarded.
>>68036464
Just working with what you give me.
Wow gun control sure helped this cop. It totally stopped those criminals from getting full automatic weapons right?
I wonder what this fucking cuck was thinking right before he got shot. Probably wishing he had a gun. What do you guys think?
>>68034266
Swissbro, much love to the only semi-based gun country in europe
>>68036415
>>68025509
>MUH DRONES
>>68027387
You mean the only way to not get BTFO is to not lose a single soldier in over 10 years of combat? Thanks New Turkey.
>>68023064
Dosent seem like much if citizens rose up, with the military and all...
Yet..
This same military would split I'd it came to Civil War.
Now, Minutemen+Army VS
No guns, due to guns be dangers+Army.
When the sides split, everyone fights.
Everyone with a gun anyway
>>68030141
My cake.
>>68036607
>You are literally in favor of more regulations on firearms.
Wrong. I'm in favor of the 2nd amendment of actually being read correctly and for states (preferably through popular vote) determining how to deal with all other gun ownership issues for themselves.
Wow I'm sure glad he government passed gun control measure to keep us safe!
Good fucking riddance to these liberal cuck pigs.
>>68035576
Not in the context of the 2nd Amendment. If it really bothers you that much, start a movement to add another amendment that further expands on the 2nd.
I love gun control!
>>68036791
We used to have the same gun laws as the USA, but the EU happened and bullied us to restrict gun laws.
>tfw 30 years ago, you could buy any non fully automatic gun without any paperwork.
>tfw 30 years ago you could just CC and open carry guns for self defense without any paperwork
>>68030141
Assault rules keep givbermint in check>>68036893
>>68035823
I agree yeah, it's absolutely necessary to prevent violent oppression form the government, but not so much indirect violations of personal liberties and stuff.
>>68036232
>it's still not a bad situation compared to 2 centuries ago, where people were fucked beyond what we can understand and had absolutely nothing to lose, that's why there were so many revolutions and fights back then.
I wonder how much a shorter average lifespan contributed to the mindset and that willingness to fight.
>>68036913
Thank god for 2nd amendment!
>>68037047
>>68036913
Texas keeping things based, I see.
>>68027947
I'd wager ~60-70% would defect and even more wouldn't carry out the orders to kill their own people.
>>68037013
>Not in the context of the 2nd Amendment
No matter how much you argue against it, "well regulated" means "well regulated."
>>68029467
>no tyranny
>or occupation by foreign powers
wew lad
>>68023064
Why was the constitution written in such a vague manner that can be interpreted as only guaranteeing the right to bear arms for members of a well regulated militia?
>>68032926
A militia means the people you dumb nigger
Such a progressive society free of guns and violence! Lol those Americans should just cuck themselves like us!
Here we see some liberal pigs crying over their dead cuck countrymen. Truly we should be like these effeminate degenerates. That girl went out and sucked a muslim cock right after this.
>>68035979
Dirty fucking bastards. This is why I hate niggers.
>>68037291
And a well regulated militia mean order and discipline.
>>68037374
Forgot my file showing these subhumans loving being cucked
>>68037407
see >>68034178
Stop trying you cuck
>>68023064
>>68036472
I agree with about every point you make, man. Eastern Europe will survive, Germany and Sweden are fucked, and I wanted to move there once upon a time. Pretty crazy friend.
Plus, don't you Eastern European have laws where you can actually own guns without a too ridiculous of a license?
Oh shit, Austria just had all their shotguns sell out, maybe Western Europe isn't totally fucked quite yet...
>>68037398
Here, have another nigger nogging out. This is why you don't ever let niggers look after your children.
>>68037290
It was written over 200 years ago. The English language has changed significantly.
>>68034064
Holy shit France. You are totally brainwashed. This shit just happened to you... and you still dont think you should have guns for self defense. Stay cucked forever then.
>>68037477
Oh well, we'll see what Hillary's new liberal justices have to say about that.
>>68029359
Is that Joseph Smith? And why is he the best post?
>>68023064
not accusing you, just saying
>>68027947
Is this dude being executed for being gay?
>>68037506
And again, that doesn't disprove my argument. Maybe you should try harder.
>>68037578
Well, you can get a gun here, first you have to get a gun permit tho. That includes shooting range, safety training and i believe a psychiatric evaluation nowadays. It costs some money, but if you are patient and of sound mind, you can get a gun pretty easily.
>>68037407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8
>>68037169
Guns aren't allowed on planes frog
>>68035898
You've conceeded actual gun violence is a racial problem, and we can't be selective about how we enforce our rights. What we CAN do is expand gun safety courses, enforce the old laws about felons possessing stolen weapens more vigorously, launch employment initiatives and anti-drug drives to try and curtail black violence, etc.
If these initiatives work, we've created an objectively safer, more free, better armed, and more diverse state than europe.
If they don't work then black crime is an unsolvable accident of genetics.
What pisses american gun owners off is when frogs and spics and bogans come after lawful owners and their justified philosophical and constitutional rights to try and save some retards in south atlanta or east st louis
>>68034064
>it honestly feels safer than when I was in america
That's just your cultural upbringing. I very rarely feel unsafe in America, and that includes living in a rural town in West Virginia for a decade. The only time I ever felt like it was too risky to go out at night was when I visited Chicago.
>>68036811
Because people were gonna shoot a jumbo jet out of the sky with a hunting rifle or use the handguns they weren't allowed to carry onto the plane to stop the sand people.
>extra strength retarded cheese monkey
>>68037578
that was hard to watch
>>68023141
I want you on my side of the wall.
>>68023141
Goddamnit why are Aussies always dishing out the most concise answers.
>>68037863
>Penn and Teller
Just goes to show that even they are wrong. Not much a surprise. They try separating "the militia" and "the people" into two different bodies, but, as another poster has already pointed out, SCotUS has ruled time and time again that the people ARE the militia. And when those people come together in groups and organize, what do you have? A well regulated militia.
>>68023064
So we don't get completely btfo by tyrannical governments.
