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Is he turning in his grave right now?
>>68005634
No he is also a cancer turkroach
Also saged
>>68005634
Yes.
How is Atatürk currently viewed in Turkey? I get the sense there's been a theocratic backlash in the last 10-15 years, led by Erdoğan whipping up Islamism amongst the proles to increase his own power
We are in imminent breakdown my friend. He not just turning he's fucking doing 360 spins. I'm expecting shit to go on untill monday, then the military will probably initiate martial law. If shit goes on like this we will have a 3rd group trying to overthrow the government, I expect either a fascist or liberal one, since both of them are about independancy and rely on harsh feelings like revenge, desire of justice and aggrovation. We will probably have a civil war in no time.
There is an old chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times". They're fucking right.
>>68008325
The heads of the military are all Kemalists and loyal to the ideas of Ataturk aren't they?
>>68007735
Secular Turks worship him, moderates generally like and respect, islamist ones hate.
>>68008516
>The heads of the military are all Kemalists and loyal to the ideas of Ataturk aren't they?
They was, but Erdoğan purged everybody contains danger to him from military.
>>68008516
Being a Kemalist and trying to save people from suicide bombing on public areas has nothing to do with one another.
>>68009350
>islamist ones hate.
He made the country secular and Turkey was a success, shouldn't this end the debate on whether or not Islamic societies work? They don't and he proved it, why can't they just accept it and shut the fuck up
>>68009488
Never said they did
>>68010900
>trying to debate with Islamist scum
Nice one mate
>>68005634
Absolutely, erdogan is trying to make Turkey into a authoritarian state and silencing the media and his political opponents. He's more and more turning Turkey into another middle eastern dictatorship like Egypt, and less like a western European democracy. Which is exactly what Mustafa Kemal was trying to avoid.
NEREDESİN
SARI SAÇLIM
MAVİ GÖZLÜM
;_;
>>68010900
>He made the country secular and Turkey was a success, shouldn't this end the debate on whether or not Islamic societies work?
The counter argument is MUH OTTOMAN 100% of the time.
Please come back..
>>68010900
Its not about believing in god and trusting a mysterious being with the safety and order of a society, it is for stupid followers, but it has nothing to do with islamic politics and certainly not the intention of islamist politicians. Its more about cultural identity and ways to live life. They realise you cant have hijab wearing girls and bikini wearing girls at the same beach at the same time, people interpret the two so differently that it causes problems. Since the islamic ottoman culture is our past they want to ressurect that culture. They see western laws, culture and any creation and innovation as untrustworthy and any attempt to adopt such culture is seen as betrayal.
This is just the ideological problem, they are people who are overblown by ego and desire to be power holders.still this problem is so insignificant that even i dont give a shit. Its more about the objective and methods of Erdocunt and his lapdog followers causing a dissaster in ever way possible.
>>68008325
>the russians are cucked, we shot their plane down and they banned chicken
>they are paper tiger
>they wont do anything
>they are harmless
>they cant touch us
>>68008325
>Military in charge of getting anything done
They have been cucked to oblivion, it's over.
>>68005634
she sure is my slavic/greek friend in denial.she sure is.
PAŞAM GERİ DÖN PAŞAM
SEN KALK BEN YATAM
PAŞAM GERİ DÖN PAŞAM
SENİN İÇİN AKEPEYİ DOMALTAM
>>68012534
>implying military will just bring martial law by themselves
Erdogan still has a responsiblity to fulfil even for his supporters, AKP will have to give the order themselves, thats what i meant.
>>68012620
You guys shouldn't hate him so much. He had to deport Greeks for a reason. Anyone would. Americans deported Japs during WW2, Germans deported Jews and commies, Russians deported Germans, etc etc. Shit happens during war times.
>>68005634
Holy shit i just realised Erdogan managed to singlehandedly almost destroy Kemal's legacy. These are bizzaro times we are living in, modern day politicians pissing all over their country's benefactors, and people are hardly reacting. Same with pic related, i went to chile in september, chileans and current chilean government hate him to no fucking end.
>>68013051
Well he kinda did to be honest.
Atleast for us he did.
>>68012806
it's not deporting turkbro,it's the wide-spread genocide.and don't go down the "greeks also commited atrocities in minor asia" road,because you know that it was not only significantly smaller in scale,but also carried out by the ones who had experienced the same brutallity
>>68005634
He was relatively smart for a roach, but like so many people he acted under the influence of communist propaganda.
>>68011677
At least the longer Erdogan is in power, the less likely Turkey will ever join the EU
>>68013186
We kind of known for our dictatorships both successful and unsuccessful ones who commited humanitarian crimes that didnt exist back in the day. But hey, want revenge? Get in line! Our agenda is kinda full at the moment for vengenace seeking organised institutions.
No offense by the way, people who died are probably your ancestors and you have my sympathies.
who gives a fuck when we have this guy
pic related
We will all turn in our graves op
All of us
>>68013724
A somewhat comforting reason I suppose, but he's also perhaps the main reason why we shouldn't want Turkey in the EU.
>>68014453
If I were you guys, I would never take us to EU in this situation. but if you guys do, and i hope you do, im getting the fuck out of here as soon as i finish my degree.
>>68013904
how do you view the guys past ankara?i know that from minor asia till ankara that people tend to be more kemal-friendly and more european-like.anything past ankara is mindlessly islamistic?
>>68013186
Genocide part is debatable. I know there have been a lot of killings by the Turks and soldiers but I doubt Mustafa Kemal himself ordered that. It's just Turk savagery, nothing to do with Mustafa Kemal himself. Do you think that Stalin ordered his soldiers to rape German women? I don't think so. It's something like that.
>>68015399
The west coast is pro-Kemal. Ironically, it's the Turks of Greek ancestry who live there. Turks of Greek ancestry are the biggest Kemalists in Turkey. There are also a few other Secular/Kemalist enclaves in central and eastern Turkey but it's not that common.
>>68005975
>not knowing he was a cryptojew of the highest level
>>68015399
No my friend thats not it at all.
People from western Turkey, closest parts to Greece tend to have secularists as majority, sometimes nationalists too. I would say Ankara has more moderates than secularists, Izmir tends to have the most amount of secularists. And Istanbul is a migrated shithole with every ideology you can possibly imagine wrapped up in one place. Sharp secularists, sharp islamists, sharp nationalists are all here, where i live. Just try to imagine the life here.
Other parts, I dont think im informed enough to tell you anything productive my friend. I didn't go to those parts and I dont want to mislead you.
>>68012164
Asian here, I understand what you mean
most people in my country have no interest in resurrecting the god emperor, buddhist kingdom whatever but we're strongly belief in our culture and national identity which westernised people and westerners in the country try to undermine. also East=backward - west=progress bullshit that liberals shoved to us everyday. so (asian) conservatism is reaction to that
for europeans, i guess its the same way you guys embrace fascism and extreme nationalism while actually you are just trying to protect your way of live and identity
>>68016133
look çankaya's vote results tho. izmir güzellemesi biliyosunuz anca amına koyim
>>68015575
>>68015773
his view was ethnic-cleansing in turkey.he wanted everyone minus the turks exterminated.that means greeks,armenian,assyrians btfo.being in that state of mind he sure ordered that.besides that,the real story about the kurds is that kemal promised them the birth of kurdistan if they helped him to eradicate the ones stated.and they happily obliged.when the genocide ended and they asked for what was promised to them they received a lol nope responce and what you are watching today is the same tember-tandrum
>>68016798
>his view was ethnic-cleansing in turkey.he wanted everyone minus the turks exterminated
Citation needed.
>that means greeks,armenian,assyrians btfo
They were btfo before Mustafa Kemal was even relevant. By Ottomans and Three Pashas mostly.
>>68016798
>this entire post
You're talking about the ottoman empire, Mustafa Kemal was barely a boy when everything you described occured
>>68016133
it's really rare to find a turk who is willing to have a civilized discussion.bless you lad.can you inform on how is it like dealing with them?are they all allah this-allah that and kill the infidells?
>>68017047
>>68017110
i am talking about the 1914-1921 period
>>68013941
eat shit and die çomar.
>>68005634
No one should or even *does* rule except the all-mighty God. Repent; judgment cometh.
>>68010900
>modern day 'I wanna be EU' turkey
>working
2 words anon, OTTOMAN HEGEMONY
>>68005634
any turk loyal to atta's ideas is a cuck and should feel bad
>>68012027
What are each of the heads supposed to represent? The top left one looks like an imam, but what are the other three?
>>68005634
tl;dr
>>68017384
ne salak adamsın amk akpye oy verip ingilizce bilen bi de üstüne polde takılan insan mı var sikiyim ölünü sizin gibileri baitlemek mesleki uzmanlık alanım oldu amk yaratıkları akp sizin yüzünüzden iktidar
>>68016472
>West=progress East=backwards
I think its more about political agenda of western nations and imperialism. They wanted to induce that ideology to maintain folowership of eastern nations.
But hey, this will open up a discussion so wide we cant finish it in a week. So lets stay on bitching and crying about how terrible my country is.
>>68010900
>He made the country secular and Turkey was a success
lol Turdgay is a multiculti shithole much like the rest of the west
capitalism and a good ecnomy doesn't make you better
USA being the prime example of this
>>68017293
mustafa kemal was relevant after that period. he was first came to known by public with his accomplishments in gallipoli in 1915, he had no part in ottoman administration.
>>68017293
You'er not talking about Mustafa Kemal though.
>>68017721
noldu bir anda döndün. shitpost shitposttur.
>>68017936
>gallipoli in 1915
>>68005975
He was greek, and had blue eyes...
>>68017936
>>68017955
young turks were nationalist secularists
>>68018152
ok i am waiting, enlighten me
>>68017535
An Islamist, a Bolshevik, an Imperialist/Capitalist, not sure about the Mongoloid one.
He's not just turning, he's continuously shooting himself in the head
>>68018211
no, i am just secularist.
>>68017936
>>68017955
>he was first came to known by public with his accomplishments in gallipoli in 1915
yeah the 1914-1921 period.come on now lads
>>68017145
It has become similar to that, Its more about " Avoid that street corner" "Dont look that guy in the eye" "Have a glance at everyones clothes and bags while you're in a subway or bus" "Try not to pass that backstreet" "Hey Germen Consular made a bomb announcement and closed schools and workplaces, Lets stay at home" Kind of life style.
These are actual every day conversations we have, i hope they're helpful.
>>68018281
Nevermind I'm retarded. I thought Gallipoli campaign was on 1920's.
>>68018320
probably turanism
as in you guys should be your own identity rather than "WE WUZ OGHUZ N SHEIT"
>>68018320
the original turks were 100% mongoloid
>>68018211
>>68018347
shit, i wrote wrong.
they were not young turks. young turks came before them.
>>68018161
>He has blue eyes, then he must be a greek
Nice meme boy.
>>68018368
You don't get it. He wasn't an influential figure back then, he was a commander in Gallipoli, fighting against Anzacs.
Instead of us trying to explain to you that he wasn't even relevant back then, can you tell us the genocides he committed?
>>68018368
are you retarded? he had no influence on administration. he was not even a general. he became relevant in 1920.
>>68018501
Could be, yeah. Mustafa Kemal was against Pan-Turkism. Not because it was ihnerently evil, but it was a utopic and impossible idea. He was realistic, not a dreamer.
>>68018730
This, Greekbro. Read this.
White Janissary blood in Ataturk move Turkey in the right directions. Why the hell does Turkey choose to be held down by Kurdish scum in the east of the country? What's so valuable about that land? Let Kurdistan have it. then the remaining 2/3 can join Europe with less controversy.
>>68016026
>not knowing cryptojew tale is a fabrication of butthurt Islamist scums
>>68018425
>These are actual every day conversations we have
that is sad bro.does it extend in others factors as well?for example in the public sector or the armed forces is one group favored against the other?
>>68005634
he shouldn't abolished the caliphate and monarchy
that is one of the reason why erdo-san rose into power
>>68018844
I think it's some kind of post-war trauma. Until WW1, we lost so much land. We owned half of Europe, we owned North Africa, we owned Arab peninsula, Crimea, etc. We lost all of it and Anatolia is all we have left. We can't lose anymore.
>>68005634
He was one of our good puppet governments I have to say.
Too good for Turks!
>>68019060
>We can't lose anymore.
You can and you will.
>>68018161
He was half Albanian and half Macedonian Turk, if I'm not mistaken.
>>68019060
this. so much this.
>>68013186
>it's not deporting turkbro,it's the wide-spread genocide
stop this bullshit.
greek rebels didn't get pontus. that's all. you lost, you deported.
nobody can fight 7 nations and genocide 4 nations at the same time with no money or weapon source at all.
I'm fairly certain he's spinning so fast by now, he'll reach terminal velocity soon.
>>68019139
Mongols not allowed ITT.
>>68019139
yes we can but no we won't in short period. it would take at least a century.
>>68019384
What did Ataturk even think of Islam as a religion? All I read is that he was generally pro-science, pro-secular/rationalist values, and anti-religion, but what he did think about Islam specifically?
Question for Turkbros
I have been personally ripped off by an Armenian who refused to pay me for work done. Meanwhile I have a pleasant polite Turkish neighbor. Do Turks 'deny' the Armenian Genocide because Armenians suck anyway, so even if it did happen who cares?
>>68018425
too bad you brought all this on yourselfs with voting for that fascist
>>68019686
He didn't believe in it and he was extremely anti religious dogmas. But he wanted to utilize Islam. If you've read about Benjamin Franklin's stance towards religion, it's exactly like that. Except Benjamin was a believer but Atatürk wasn't.
>>68018949
Not that i can confirm, I know police is divided but its nothing new its divided since 1970's. There are roumors that MIT(Our intelligence agency) is politicised and no longer functions properly.
In terms of armed rebellion we dont have any other than PKK.
Personal opinion: I still expect one to rise soon enough, either a fascists one or liberal one. There is so much hatred and resentment in a certain portion of population that it will break out soon or later.
>>68005634
Yes. Pisslam is a cancer.
>>68005634
Pretty based for a roach.
Religion is one thing, but capitulating to an external authority is the worst thing an autonomous governing body can do. The priest class cannot control the statesman
>>68018844
>. Why the hell does Turkey choose to be held down by Kurdish scum in the east of the country?
yeah, let's create a marxist version of mixture of colombia&ruanda. kurds won't leave istanbul, izmir or ankara for that shithole. also drug and gun smuggling will be shit easy.
Why didn't Ataturk ban or at least heavily propagandize against circumcision?
>>68018698
>>68018730
i see why there is confusion
>1914-1918
widespread genocide across turkey-not kemal related
>1919-1921
death of tens of thousands in smyrna after the evacuation.kemal related.up until 1924 the killing of greeks(pontos,kapadokia),armenians and assyrians whould continue on a small scale because well,there weren't many of them left
Turks are pretty smart they wont let the country turn into another middle east hellhole.
>>68019814
genocide is a legal term, not historic. what ottomans did to armenians was a war crime. genocide as a term came into existance in 1945. nevertheless they are equally bad.
>>68018844
It has water, and water is starting to running low in our country becasu of Global Warming.
>>68013941
Fuck you
>Mr. Destroy the Caliphate
>Mr. Slaughter the Armenians and don't even both try founding an empire
>Mr. Cucked Westernization
what good did this guy do exactly?
>>68019248
>no money or weapon source at all
yeah there is this guy called lenin
>greek rebels didn't get pontus
what rebels?
>>68019814
I deny it because there were no systematical killings. I know there had been massacres, my grandmothers have told me about them but none of them can be called genocide. Every fucking village was burning and women were raped and murdered during those years, it's very idiotic of Armenians to talk of it as a horrible thing and directed towards a specific ethnicity. Also they did raid so many villages as well. Mainly in Van, Erzurum, Mus, Kars and Erzincan. They emptied the defenseless villages for the incoming Russian troops.
I'm fine with an Armenian who does not heavily breathe when this period of history is talked of.
>>68019814
For me, it's becasu of they never mention of killings of Turks and Kurds in area by their gangs. I'll not accept this hypocrisy.
>>68019814
armenian genocide thing worse then holocaux thing.
when we call armenian historians for debates or conferences, all they refused. you can't find a legit debate between armenian and turkish historians. armenians always refuse that kind of thing.
yes we deported armenians, we exiled them, we sent them to syria and jordan but there is no camps, no special executions.
>>68020293
So you're splitting hairs over what to call it because the word 'genocide' is relatively new? Everything that happened fits the definition of genocide, the fact it happened earlier than that defintion was created doesn't really mean anything in historical or legal context
>>68020628
>Everything that happened fits the definition of genocide
such as? what is the definition?
>>68018524
This. Turk/Turkish =/= Turkic. Turks are merely Turkified Greeks, that's why they belong to the caucasoid race. The original Turkic peoples belong to the mongoloid race and hence look like the average Chinese person. Pic related.
>>68020948
>Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a cultural, ethnic, linguistic, national, racial or religious group
Mehmet, can you even read?
>>68019919
>I know police is divided
like what?hatred between each other?
> I still expect one to rise soon enough, either a fascists one or liberal one
you mean that putin will cause one or one will happen due to the polarisation?
>>68018347
>young turks were nationalist secularists
being this retarded.. jön türklerden bahsediyo amk malı
>>68020628
no i am not splitting hair. by your logic, americans commited a genocide on native americans. spanish commited a genocide on jews and incas. mongols commited genocide on every living thing?
do you see where it is going? that is why it is a legal term.
>>68020519
>yeah there is this guy called lenin
>lenin
>1915
>lenin
>soviets
>1917
nigger learn history
>what rebels?
kek
>>68021061
moving a racial group one place to another count as genocide?
>>68021145
kıçımla okudum pardon, düzelttim sonra.
>>68021385
after 1945, yes.
>>68021222
when did the minor asia war happened faggot?
>>68021385
Moving large group of people is one of best method for massacre becasu you can say exactly same thing you said when defending there is no genocide.
>>68021061
so what happened to turks/muslim after balkan wars is also genocide. it fits to your definition. also yerevan had muslim majority prior to 1915. now there is almost none. so it is also genocide. colonization of south/north america is also a genocide. colonization of africa is also genocide. there are probably billion genocides that are not recognized by anyone.
>>68021714
thank you based aus bro. i am trying to explain exacty that.
>>68021900
>aus bro
>>68021385
>>68021641
it's actually considered as ethnic cleansing not genocide tho
>>68021641
not from existence,
from anatolia to syria and jordan.
>>68021714
>so what happened to turks/muslim after balkan wars is also genocide
Yeah?
>also yerevan had muslim majority prior to 1915. now there is almost none
And that's a evidence for genocide in your books? Wow, okay. I guess that graph also shows a genocide of armenians between 89 and 2001, no?
>so it is also genocide. colonization of south/north america is also a genocide
Yeah?
>colonization of africa is also genocide
Nope, no systematic killing of niggers ever happened.
>>68022075
I guess so, but what's the difference?
>>68021714
yeah the difference is that if you searched those who fled after the balkan wars you would find them alive in an other place,while if you searched those who were "moved to another place" from the turks you would find them killed
>>68012675
Info on pic?
>>68022284
gay pride
>>68022029
shit happens. we fight each other hundreds of years then we fought alongside in Galicia. it is politics.
>>68022233
>while if you searched those who were "moved to another place" from the turks you would find them killed
nope, if they were killed, today there will be no armenians in america, armenia or whatever place. stalin called back all armenians to create a bumper between turkey and soviets.
>>68021135
Police is divided into ideological sides, they usually abuse their authority to punish the other side while helping ouıt their own. But there is NEVER direct confrontation, that would result with them getting fired or worse thrown in jail.
Yes I expect a new freedom fighter/terror group to rise mainly because of the oppresion done by islamists, mainly because of anger, hatred and fear caused by the oppresion. However Putin might also help ignite the sparkles of it, i cant really know about that. But I'm 100% sure it would not be created because of 1 single reason, there are always other agendas pushed at every oppurtunity.
Yes, we can produce electricity by connecting a shaft into his secular ass.
Secularism is dead, faggots.
All these kemalist/secular hype
Yemin billah eğitilemezsiniz!
>>68020064
>>68020064
>>68020064
>>68020064
>>68020064
CAN ANY TURK ANSWER THIS???????
>>68019212
Alexander the great was half macedonian and half albanian... LOLOLOOL
>>68022571
it was a genocide not a complete annihilation.if you have one million of a group and you kill 850.000 it still counts as a genocide
>>68023019
because secularism does not mean anti islamism. it means "do whatever shit practices you have in your homes, not in public"
>>68023019
In a society where you live in a dirt slime ball at the time would you rather have more hygenicly secure dicks or dicks capable of getting infection?
Possibly he had more important maters to attend to, like establishing the goverment first.
>>68005634
He is feel-good illuminati puppet, that had some support at his time, that`s why his ideas failed as the support of his myth was opposed by people, who finance the islamists.
There is God. There are high truths. That is what he mush`ve been preaching. What Jesus did to herbews - make new testament, defined by his people wishes and this high truths, invest all his powers into this task.
Instead he just denied everything and the empty memetic space was filled with evil spirits, daemons and dragons.
Today we meet their army. Army, which ataturk reestablished by his foolish "social-progressive" views.
>>68022464
ax be türko:D
>>68022233
>yeah the difference is that if you searched those who fled after the balkan wars you would find them alive
I bet 2million t*rk doesn't count much for you but that doesn't matter definition which finnish genocide expert provided was clear. they moved out because of you. so you are guilty of genocide. those mosques didn't demolished themselves. so you are guilty.
>>68022231
>And that's a evidence for genocide in your books? Wow, okay. I guess that graph also shows a genocide of armenians between 89 and 2001, no?
it is your definition not mine. those people are not Helium gas, they did not go to space.
>Nope, no systematic killing of niggers ever happened.
yeah. Algeria is also france.
>>68023380
Calmd down ruskie boy droppng claims without evidence only makes you look stupid.
On a side note, writing so mystically makes you look even more surreal.
>>68022620
turkbro are you talking about a full blown civil war or just another pkk-like group?from what i know about turkey i think that erdogan will fall soon,more likely from a military coup.my friend we had this guy here,a saint if you wish,who was supposed to go full prophecy teller.i thought i was just an attraction to milk seckels from the stupids but it's gettting scary the last years
>>68023314
No it means do whatever the shit you want to do EVEN IN PUBLIC. Thats where islamists hate seculars. Their ideologies are too expansionists and controlling to exist in a society where other ideologies exist.
>>68022620
dark knight rises mı bu amına koyayım?
>>68023888
military coup days are over. erdogan really cucked the military.
sadly i don't think he will fall.
>>68023019
Ataturk gave up cleaning Islam from country in his days and leaved the task to future generations.
>>68024110
Military still hold power, but they losed a lot of power thats for sure.
>>68023888
>turkey i think that erdogan will fall soon,more likely from a military coup.
erdogan has army, intelligence, he has all of turkey. coup is impossible.
also a civil war is impossible. there are no sharp polarism for killing your own people here.
also if shit happens like pkk full war declaration, islamists and leftists will fight together shoulder to shoulder against them.
>>68022730
>>68022906
Go suck the tall faggot's cock, he's got a bomb waiting for you ;)
>>68019814
its not a systemic killing of the ethnic population but a forceful deportation of them without proper care or protection under enver pashas army
the problem is that this was not ordered by the ottoman government and the three pashas had to flee persecution afterwards, not to mention that they were barred from entering turkish resistance movement under pain of death for crimes against the anatolian peoples and had to stay in exile until they were assassinated.
also the 1.5 million is a lie, the total population of armenians within ottoman empire at the time is 1.2 million, the total dead during the ww1 is around 600-800 thousand
oh yeah also before the army arrived the armenian militia armed and trained by the russian governor of kars was genociding muslims in the area, mostly other armenians and some kurds/zaza
checkem http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be6_1454115663
overall should it have happened? no, enver was the most incompetent dickwad to have ever had the misfortune of leading turkish troops
are armenians innocent? no, they were genociding turks
are turks innocent? no, the main perpetrator of the incident was turkish troops
is the republic responsible? no, they took the proper stance against this action
are armenians jews of anatolia? some are abso-fuckin-lutely juden, they have built their whole diaspora existence around having being genocided
>>68024018
>No it means do whatever the shit you want to do EVEN IN PUBLIC
no dude, we inherited france model of secularism. in that, you can not push your shit in people's throats. in american or english model, it is like you said.
>>68023502
>they moved out because of you
they were the aggressors fighting away from their lands and still were aloud to evacuate.
your argument is the following;A punches B because why not,B punches back,so A is "so what if i was the aggressor,he attacked me too,so its the same"
>>68023888
To understand how such war will work you need to understand the sheeple behaviour of our people.
Our culture is based on oppurtunitisim we usually take action to things that are beneficial to us individually. Creation period of such group will be rough, and it will not see many direct support. If it doesnt turn out to be successful group it will just be a terror group. If it does in fact succeed at accomplishing objectives then trough group psycology there will be heavy support for them, then it will turn out to be a civil war.
You cant just expect what will happen in war. But this is the usual scenario for us Turkish people.
just in
Protests against AKP
>>68024755
>they were the aggressors fighting away from their lands and still were aloud to evacuate.
turks claim, armenians were aggressor. siege of van? so based on your definition it wasn't genocide. kek. also you were aggressor in independence war.
Why are there so many Turks here?
Everyday, I psychologically train myself to hate Turks and hate Islam.
Whenever someone accuses Muslims' as a whole I hold my urge.
Fuck you, you are tearing me a apart from inside.
There is a civil war inside my brain.
>>68025045
You might wanna see a psychiatrist.
>>68025008
>also you were aggressor in independence war
we engaged to save our people being killed by the thousands,not for the heck of it
>>68024512
You're doing nothing more than every other turk i've spoken to: claiming the armenians genocided you while you simply defended yourself by forcefully deporting them without proper care.
>>68025045
These threads are nothing more than turkish propagandists trying to get back a bit of the reputation they've lost during the last years. Look at the fucking post i've replied too.
I've thought he'll explain things instead it was the typical: We dindu nuffin! Dey wuz genociding and shiet!
>>68025278
>we engaged to save our people being killed by the thousands,not for the heck of it
of course you were. ;)
>>68025278
>saved our people
sure you did, that is why the greeks burned down west anatolia and smyrna, to save the greeks!
>>68025045
try stop being kurdish and accept the turkish identity as your first and foremost. it should help
>hate islam
thats fine
>>68017515
Nice hat joke ;)
You got me
>>68024840
well things are about to go down soon.i honestly believe that in three years tops,the world will be a very different place
>>68025278
you have got to be shitting me.
we lost the god damn ww1.
anglos wanted you to have izmir, rather than italians.
you came, you saw, you lost.
>>68025270
>>68025510
It was a ruse
>>68025458
Got tricked by the ruse-man hehe
>>68025458
>claiming the armenians genocided
check the link, you can find the articles from the time period online. armenian crimes against the turkish are well documented starting from late 1800s until the end of the independence war.
>>68025510
we didn't burn down smyrna,but we did burn some villages.see >>68013186
>>68020302
Really?
We have extremely hot summers mixed with fucking deluge of rain from the heavens, just had new floods recently.
Is Turkey becoming more arid?
>>68025970
>some villages
>some
my nigger you burnt down so much shit in the west anatolia it caused a minor famine
>we didn't burn down smyrna
oh yeah i forgot that you guys blame us for that too, the baby eating turks burn down the jewel of aegean, to take revenge or some shit
>>68025591
Indeed my greek friend, its was nice talking to you. I hope my answerws were useful enough.
Have a good one.
>>68025801
>armenian crimes against the turkish
I wonder if you'd claimed this shit if i'd told you i am a kurd/turk mongrel(i have epicanthic folds contrary to you) whose family has an armenian branch since 1915 because my kurdish great grandfather saved a few armenian children from the next armenian village who guess what fought with our village countless times before.
Truth is:
Everyone fought everyone. Everyone killed everyone. Then the army came and only slaughtered and took the armenians. The end.
>>68025602
>we lost the god damn ww1
that's exactly why you went full genocidical.
>anglos wanted you to have izmir, rather than italians
italians never strongly claimed smyrna,they already had dodekanisos.furthermore,the eternal anglo never wanted us to control both sides of the aegean because that would turn the aegean into a greek lake,which they would hate.to prove that they never gave away weapons to us,not even offered to sell and during the heat of the war they bribed venizelos to thin the supply lines.however,those who played a cruscial role where the soviets(lenin) who wanted to punish the greeks because we sent a battalion against them in crimea.you had a endless supply of commie weapons and many german generals
>>68026301
turkey was always arid. it does not have rich water resources.
>>68027221
just steal it from the arabs or something
>>68026306
why would we burn a town which we considered greek and had a major greek population?
>>68026666
take care
>>68025801
So there was genocide, but there was some "crimes" in jewmedia, that justified it.
Great ataturk logic. I hope one day all your seculars will abandon turkey, us leaves nato and then we fucking nuke you. Because you know... crimes.
>>68027789
russian talks about genocide.
>>68027550
that id
>>68023571
Nothing mystical in here. The fact, that you dont understand anything i`ve said is just another proof, that there is no hope in fixing the situation. You dont know the memes to understand how bad things really is.
I cant and even if i could, I wont educate you on these, because if I would, then you will turn against me, trample my wisdom and rend me.
>>68027120
>that's exactly why you went full genocidical
dude don't go retard.
>italians never strongly claimed smyrna,they already had dodekanisos.furthermore,the eternal anglo never wanted us to control both sides of the aegean because that would turn the aegean into a greek lake,which they would hate.to prove that they never gave away weapons to us,not even offered to sell and during the heat of the war they bribed venizelos to thin the supply lines.however,those who played a cruscial role where the soviets(lenin) who wanted to punish the greeks because we sent a battalion against them in crimea.you had a endless supply of commie weapons and many german generals
and you went retard.
you were shit to anglo, a fuckin, controllable pawn. lloyd george gave plenty of weapons to you. you didn't use it efficiently. george lost his power because of you. he gave so much support to you, anglos got sick and tired of his shit.
and bribing venizelos? wow, just wow.
>>68027452
they are getting whatever left form euphrates and tigris. they are much worse.
>>68028325
hahahaha i hadn't notice that
>>68021061
Systematic would mean that an organised state would have given such a degree to it's subjects to be executed.
Now for what I know from my friends living in Istanbul:
> By the time the alleged genocide commenced, the Sultanate was in shambles
> Atatürk's state hadn't regained control from all of the former governed area
> Opportunists and Sultan's supporters imploded into anarchy
> you could compare this to Russia and anarchist gommies in Russian civil war
> "a Türk is a Türk even as fried"-mentality surges
Pitkälti sama siis kuin suomalaisten vihasokeus venäläisiä kohtaan.
holy shit this thread
>>68012027
Someone make a Pepe edit pls
Left of blue line: West Anatolian Confederation
Right of blue line: Islamic Republic of Turkey
>>68032482
Then give Constantinople back to Greece
>>68005975
Kill yourself first post faggot.
Also whats the flag? Tricolor flags are so boring and common like you heh.
>>68022906
>eğitilemezsiniz
>tfw you'll never be a Turkish soldier under a Kemalist president fighting for secularism, democracy, order and progress throughout the Middle East
I don't know what I feel right now
>>68021043
>Turks are merely Turkified Greeks, that's why they belong to the caucasoid race.
Thats the biggest bullshit i have read for a long time
Turks are disgusting sandniggers
>>68020293
>>68020528
>>68020571
>>68020584
>>68024512
So basically, they weren't trying to exterminate the Armenians as a people, they just wanted them to GTFO and didn't give a shit if people died in the process?
That's not genocide. Fucking liberals lying, as usual.
I don't care what anybody says, I kinda like you roaches. You're by far the most civilized and rational Muslims, and a lot of that can be traced back to Ataturk. Damn shame what's become of your country, don't let those stupid Arabs cuck your country back to the dark ages like they did to Iran.
>>68032615
which constantnople ?
>>68033418
>I kinda like you roaches. You're by far the most civilized and rational Muslims
t. Turk
>>68033496
Turks are great when they don't go full aloha snackbar like they are right now
>>68017502
>OTTOMAN HEGEMONY
How do you achieve hegemony when 90% of former Ottoman inhabitants consider it a total disaster and many hate it?
Neo-Ottomanism was doomed from the moment they put "Ottoman" in it.
>>68033597
No they arent.
It doesnt matter if they are muslims or not.
Islam just makes them more worse.
Turks are in generall very stupid, selfish, ignorant, loud and they lie the whole time.
And they smell...
Its just a fucking myth that the Turks are bros or some shit.
Turks arent bros or anyting, they just recognize that the world hates them for their support of jihadists.
Now Turks are on full damage controll.
I live with Turks. They are a burden.
>>68033496
Nah, t. whiteboy from Georgia. Kind of ironic coming from a "German" though.
>>68033994
>Nah, t. whiteboy from Georgia.
Dude, then its even worse.
Turks are the trojan horse of jihadism.
Even if they arent muslims, they have a culture that is opposed to you in every way.
Dont trust them.
>>68033994
Turks are like the Mexicans.
>>68033974
well we don't like those turks you see anyway you got the most ignorant uneducated turks back in the time for cheap labor when you needy also i still don't know you motherfuckers couldn't assimilate them even netherlanders and they came vote for this islamist shit and go back
>>68034364
How many Turkish people did you meet dude. Were all of them bad? I mean you hate us a lot :D
And you're pure German right? Don't tell me you are Kurdish or something living in Germany.
>>68034531
lel
I have been to Turkey twice and you are all the same stupid shitskins. Dont try to bluff out turkroach. You are disgusting and you know it.
Turks are the biggest scum here.
>>68034682
>And you're pure German right? Don't tell me you are Kurdish or something living in Germany.
I am German. I hate the Kurds too.
They are 1000 years behind Evolution. Kurds are subhumans in every way.
And yes I hate you. Its an hones and deep hate, developed out of experience.
Unfortunately the NSU didnt commit any crimes. But I wish it was them. You only deserve death.
>>68034727
sigh.ok.whatever floars your goat idc
>>68019212
>macedonian
so greek
>>68023031
t. gypsy
suicide
i've never met a turk that wasn't a muslim , why do we got only turkish muslims here?
>>68034888
You didn't answer my question correctly dude.
>developed out of experience
Like what?
>>68033346
Max Scheubner-Richter, a German vice consul and commander of a joint German-Turkish special guerrilla force, described plans to destroy the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire.
"The first item on this agenda concerns the liquidation of the Armenians. Ittihad will dangle before the Allies a specter of an alleged revolution prepared by the Armenian Dashnak party. Moreover, local incidents of social unrest and acts of Armenian self defense will deliberately be provoked and inflated and will be used as pretexts to effect the deportations. Once en route, however, the convoys will be attacked and exterminated by Kurdish and Turkish brigands, and in part by gendarmes, who will be instigated for that purpose by Ittihad."
Why are you trusting the word of a roach dumbass.
>>68022284
funeral 1938
>>68035094
I would prefer a nuclear war if Turks get blown away. Even if the whole world would fall into a nuclear winter and into a new dark age, i would love to see how Turks get annihilated.
The Turks in Germany are the most disgusting group of immigrants. With Kurds.
And Lebanese.
>>68035457
>Like what?
Daily basis. Only problems.
Turks are butthurt all the time.
Always claim that they get discriminated, though the are the biggest benefiter of affermative action.
They just complain all the day.
In work, a Turk was steeling company data.
Got away with it
>muhhh I didnt know... muhhh stupid turk
They lie and cheat.
>>68035326
For some reason I don't know, the Turks that live in Europe are mostly Erdofag supporters. When we saw the results of the elections last year, we were quite surprised because nearly %75 of votes that came outside of Turkey was for Erdoğan.
>>68020073
they're debating in a nice way
we shouldnt ruin this goys
but yes, he was relevant in the turkish revolution u nigger
MICA
(Make Istanbul Constantinople Again)
>>68035765
>Turks that live in Europe are mostly Erdofag supporters.
60% of the Turks in Germany voted for AKP
>>68021657
'22
>>68035866
Was that guy that stole company data also Erdoğan-positive?
this thread isnt greece vs turkey
nice
so why did you reject megali idea from us guys
why
>>68036077
>Erdoğan-positive
lel
i dont know.
Actually i dont have a problem with Turks at all.
Untill I meet them.
Why are you so subversive? Thats simply an insult to Germans. You think we dont know this, ha?
>>68023380
This is like reading Pathologic dialogue
>>68035765
i think thats because they only hear the good things in media , and they dont live in turkey they only go back there for 1-2 weeks holiday so they dont experience erdogan
>>68036277
>Why are you so subversive?
I really don't know. A lot of Turkish people are retarded. Maybe that causes it.
How many Turkish friends do you have if you have any? Or isn't there a Turkishfag you don't hate?
>>68036635
That might be true. Also in Turkey, there is no anti-Erdoğan media left but a few. And one thing also I realised is in global media, there are only news about Erdoğan or AKP (his political party) if it is about Turkey.
>>68036883
>Turkish friends
Are you kidding?
>Turkish
>friend
Choose one.
I work with a Turk. I went to school with Turks, because I was forced
>muhh integration
>failed of course
I lived in an area full of Turks.
Just stay out of Europe. You are a burden
I really would like to deport all Turks and Kurds and all these disgusting Turk-people.
>>68005634
Good. Ataturk was a fool for thinking he could change the bestial ways of the Turk.
>>68037608
that's breddy Groß mate
>>68037722
What are you talking about?
>>68037318
So much hate kek :D
But come on dude, you hate us so much, there must be something more than a fag that steals company data and the butthurt fags. The reasons you said might cause some hate but your anger towards us is way stronger than that.
So which Turkishfag did you hate most in your life. I'm talking about the ones that you met. The data stealer?
>>68037876
that's greater greece
proposed in the treaty of sevres after ww1
but the attajew rebelled and we lost our asian minor claims
rip dreams
>>68038278
man what would i have loved to visit a greece constantinople
>>68038278
Claims come and go. Owning clay is nice, but if your people don't live there--what's the point? If Greece controlled those borders today, the population of ethnic Turks and Muslims living in Greece would be massive. Nobody wants clay that's filled with foreigners.
>>68038278
It was a big failure of yours Greekbro. We literally had all kinds of problems during War of Independence and yet you failed to regain your old lands. You even had the support of west. I know it is not that much but c'mon, we had been lost a war and we were economically, morally, politically destroyed. We didn't have enough weapons, we didn't have enough ammo, we didn't have enough soldiers, hell we didn't even have enough food for our soldiers man. We had no technologic advance either. We had a lot of rebel groups fighting with us in other parts of Anatolia too. How did you fucked up this opportunity? How did you fail this hard?
>>68038278
That said, there are still plenty of cities/provinces in Minor Asia where ethnic Greeks reside. Byzantium and Smyrna are still fair game.
>>68039331
>You even had the support of the west.
Ataturd was sent by his freemasonic brothers who lead the west as their puppet leader to bring democracy and destroy one of the last monarchies. The outcome was pre-determined. Greece also had plenty of those problems and many more. Our "king" was a kraut who wanted to join the Central Powers and didn't give a damn about the Greek genocide. If Venizelos had successfully taken power things could've been different, but Greece and Turkey were not in charge of their own destinies.
>>68036166
i've local greek friend here, she is from trabzon.
our kitchen, culture other things are similar.
yet greek fascists making stupid comments. all that dogfighting over sea shit is bullshit.
>>68020472
>Mr. Slaughter the Armenians and don't even both try founding an empire
Are you claiming this is a bad thing?
>>68037318
is your girlfriend stolen by a ferdi or mehmet?
kek.
>>68039226
they did live there
ethnic greeks lived in constantinople and smyrna until the population exchange
also most people that live there today are descendants from ethnic greeks
>>68039875
eternal anglo cucked you.
you think all of anatolia belongs to you.
at least your grandfathers can swim well
kek
>>68035326
Because it's usually the uneducated, uncultured, uncivilized and piss poor medieval-tier Anatolian peasant folk who were more than willing to leave what little they have behind to work in menial jobs like cleaning toilets and cook disgusting döner/kebap/shitpickles/whatevz to earn *great* money (in their standards) and reach a quality of life they couldn't dream of achieving in whatever open-air latrine they've crawled out of in their corner of Anatolia.
Basically, you have all these Turks of the Muslim variety for the same reason you're also infested with Arabs/Pakis/Afgans/Kurds/Turds of the Muslim variety. Muzzy countries tend to be shitholes full of poverty because of various cultural/biological/historical reasons which would be too depressing to explain. You open your countries to the worst refuse & the absolute plebs from these places for whatever reason and whaddaya expect? Shouldn't have let them settle & entrench in the first place
If you didn't let anyone from such countries without at least a college degree you'd be filtering out a lot of the "Genuinely Muslim" migrants. I'm so fucking mad at you Eurocuck immigr. policies because you've made a lot of monkeys-in-manpants far more richer than they deserve. These beasts sometimes come back here either to settle back or as tourists and believe me when I tell ya that they're much more obnoxious when they have money and haven't been made meek by getting curb-stomped by poverty or an oppressive regime
Everyone here knows that Europe is fucked beyond recognition if you don't stem the tide by voting for whatever right-wing & nationalist political faction & rise up against your insane cuck governents? Go for it before it's too late. Protip: "Protesting" some kebab shops in Amsterdam could be a good start! I hear there's a new one in the Herengracht Canal, right at the heart of your capital like a dog shat right in the middle of the carpet in your living room. Show some fighting spirit! REMOVE KEBAB
>>68039331
>You even had the support of west
Nope, they wanted us to fight the war for them instead.
> We didn't have enough weapons, we didn't have enough ammo, we didn't have enough soldiers
We were 20km away from ankara
we attacked and retreated
Turkish soldiers shot 3 of our men and left
breddy shiddy
>>68010900
>>>68011410 >>68011913 >>68012164 >>68017502 >>68017933
>>68009350
>>68007735
>>68005634
>>>68005975 >>68007176 >>68011677 >>68012620 >>68013051 >>68013188 >>68017421 >>68017502 >>68017515 >>68017658 >>68018967 >>68019097 >>68019922 >>68020039 >>68023380 >>68037608
it's not """""secularism""""" that made turkey great, it's 19th century white western values
""""""secularism""""""" of today means being a feminist liberal spreading your cheek to show support for the lgbt
>>68040161
Most? Only if you consider people who are maybe 15% Greek and 85% other to be those descendants. The vast majority of these people do not speak Greek nor consider themselves Greek. They have no clear desire to be Greek. Why should Greece want them? I know that there once was a Greek majority pre- pop. exchange, but what's left now? 2-3 generations have past and the ancestral ties have been diluted by the Turks.
>>68008516
the military was used in the 80's to further america's interest in turkey, many of the faggot turks in this thread are supporting american puppet machinery in this very thread
>>68040445
there are so many here protesting atm is useless , speak out in public and you get called a racist or nazi , best bet we got is to put geert wilders in office , that is if he gets enough votes coming election
>>68040445
BTW, I have no fucking idea about Netherlands so on a scale between 1-10, how cucked is that country anyway? 10 is Sweden-tier BTW.
>>68039926
>>68040086
>>68040418
Stop being so toxic fag. Because of your kind of shitposting fags everyone hates us.
>>68011677
>>68013724
>>68014453
the european union is a failure, even the english want out
i still don't understand what you are trying to salvage here with this european union meme
the fact that every parties in turkey want to join the european union should tick something in the minds of the turks, but it doesn't
>>68041057
we are kinda cucked but not as bad as germany or sweden , massive protests against refugee centres in the netherlands and due to our current president failing to stop the migrants from entering ,the far right gained massive amounts of votes . on a cucked scale lets say 7 or 6
>>68041002
If other major European countries like Germany also manage to put right-wing parties in power, you guys would have a much easier time in electing Wilders into office. The more "moderate" whiteys would be emboldened to vote for a guy like that demonized by the society & the televitz.
>>68012164
american culture is rotten at its core, it produced millions of absolute retards who go to college for useless degrees and who get in debt for life for it and have absolutely no problems with the government subsidizing the revenues of the colleges and universities
you want that culture in turkey? it's the culture that is imposed on the plebs in the USA, but apparently you see this as "freedom"
by accepting feminism, lgbt, """""secularism'""""" and other modern west faggotry, you just give more ammo to the opposition
>>68041057
Very bad, there are blacks and muslims everywhere and all the men are so feminine that the infamous whore houses are entirely a tourist attraction. It's easily an 8 or 9.
>>68040948
>many of the faggot turks in this thread are supporting american puppet machinery in this very thread
nope, our army started relations with china and russia in 90's. our soldiers were hating america because usa was inhibiting fight with pkk.
even we took down a usa helicopter, kek. usa covered it. general who gave order exiled to cyprus.
>>68040588
>they wanted us to fight the war for them instead
This is your war Greekbro. It is between Turks and Greeks. Why the fuck would they care about it. And yes, they supported you financially and they gave you weapons.
>we attacked and retreated
Why the fuck did you retreat Greekbro. For no fucking reason?
>>68008325
I have a great idea, how about we transfer 3 million refugees to a country about to enter civil war?
t. Merkel
This is going to be the shitstorm of a century.
>>68013186
stop crying about genocide you fucking faggot, the history of mankind is made of groups trying to make themselves a place on earth, and failing to do so
when you attack a bigger guy than you and get absolutely shrekt, don't cry you die like a bitch in the end
>>68041406
germany's afd gained some ground but not enough , idk if germany is still safeable , on the other hand we definatly are , geert wilders compared to the french,german, or uk right wing parties has a way better chance of becoming our president , in recent national polls his party was the biggest , if they can only pull this on till the election
>>68041085
BENÜ YAKALADUN HOCÜM :DDDD
valla zerre sikkimde değil. istedikleri kadar nefret etsinler. 100 yıl önce kimin götünü o kadar yaksan o kadar senden nefret eder.
hiç ev zencisi triplerine girme hocam. herif anadolunun yarsını işgal etmeye çalışmış, hala yok soykırım yok rumları kurtarıyorduk ayağı yapıyor.
>>68019916
>terrorists blowing themselves up is the fault of a man who is unrelated to those terrorists!
wow let me tell you how the rapists during new year's eve in germany were not the ones guilty but the women who got raped for being in front of the rapists
>>68041716
* geert wilders as becoming the first right wing leader in western europe , i ment by that
>>68020073
i'm a genocidal maniac and proud, now you can go eat shit you insufferable faggot
>>68012027
BASED
A
S
E
D
>>68005634
I know most of the Turks love Ataturk. Why then are they so obsessed with Islam? It's just hypocritical.
>>68019814
why shouldn't turks deny the """"""""""genocide"""""""""?
turks can see what happens to germany and how they are still paying money to something that didn't even happen in the first place
fuck armenians, assyrians, greeks and the other lesser races who complain about """""genocide"""""
>>68019919
>men in skirts taking up arms any time soon
will absolutely never happen
the leftists in turkey are modern day marxist/socialists/feminists
you're done
>>68020073
>thinking the genocide had anything to do with Ataturk
The persecution was religiously motivated. There were plenty of Kurds murdering Anatolian Christians as well, just as they've been oppressing them before.
>>68039331
>You even had the support of west
To a point, yes. Greece made the crucial mistake of allowing a German to become their first king. From there on they were on their own basically.
>>68020064
>>68023019
circumcision is a practice only found among jews
in the quran, there is no order for circumcision
in the quran, circumcision is only mentioned with a people that does bad
circumcision is a practice passed down to arabs by fresh jewish converts and then later from arabs to the rest
arabs and jews are at fault for circumcision
>>68041812
Amk 100 yıl önce onları yapanlar bu sığırlar değil. Bunların hiçbir sikim bildiği yok sadece bildiklerini sanıyorlar. Sev ya da sevme adamların ekonomi bizden daha güçlü ve bu sikkolar bizden bu salak sebeplerden dolayı daha da nefret ederse ekonomimiz elimizde olmayan sebeplerden dolayı iyice sikilecek. Soykırım işgal vs. konularda hep önyargılılar ama insan gibi konuşunca bazılarına bir iki bişey öğretmek mümkün. Ondan bozma şu olayı.
>>68041517
>This is your war Greekbro. It is between Turks and Greeks.
>pic related
>why the fuck did you retreat
because the turks also managed to retreat and avoid encirclement
that's how they beat us
we had everything, modern equipment, bigger numbers
just were arrogant and shitty tactics
yeah I know it's retarded
>>68026666
> quads checked
> turkbro being civil to greekbro
> greekbro responding in kind
> this whole thread is filled with must civil and interesting discourse
GOOD JOB LADS
>>68041461
pic related, this is what the military was used to put in place
>>68005634
The only based turk i wish the majority would be like this and i could respect them
>>68005975
first post is best post
>>68042480
forgot to mention that the current monarch died from a fucking monkey bite and there was a clash between venizelos and anti-venizelos factions
venizelos basically wanted to sell greece to the anglos
a cunt
>>68042287
> Sev ya da sevme adamların ekonomi bizden daha güçlü
>yunanistan
>ekonomi
oh yanlarım :DDD
>Soykırım işgal vs. konularda hep önyargılılar ama insan gibi konuşunca bazılarına bir iki bişey öğretmek mümkün. Ondan bozma şu olayı.
iyi de sen yanlış adama dert anlatıyorsun. burda yunanın götünüyakıp geçeceksin. gerçek hayatta karşılaşırsan vaaay komşi diyip sarılırsın. burası /pol/ amk.
yukarda dedim trabzonlu rum arkadaşım var diye, düğününe gidicem lan. ben zaten merak ettiklerimi öğrendim, istediklerimde arkadaşlığımı kurdum. elin altın şafakçı piçine ne laf anlatıcam.
>>68042480
and i changed the pic related for some reason
im retarded
>>68024915
source???
>>68025045
bro, you're not alone.
>>68042869
Mar 20, 2015
>>68042645
>pic related, this is what the military was used to put in place
that's a really really long story.
army didn't like usa back these day, after erdoğan came, he shit all over the army and fucked up. erdoğan was a pawn and army both hated usa and erdoğan.
ataturk was gay and a jew
how can muslims like a gay and a jew?
>>68043047
erdodingdong didn't get in power on his own
surely some dissenting voices existed among the military, but it wasn't enough to have a nation wide mutiny
>>68032482
literally what my dad's been telling me for decades now.
>>68033298
Poor Hans is stuck living in Mitellbrudonbaum town and surrounded by a shitloaf of Kurds, kek.
>>68043108
your grand mother was raped and killed by a kurd, you call it """""genocide"""""
>>68042287
la ne laf anlatmaya çalışıyon mallara amk ne dersen de türk bayrağını gördü mü basıyolar roach meme'ini ben de artık ölümüne erdocu takılıyom bu mallar mı bizim ekonomimizi etkileyecek? bu ibnelerin bilmediği şey türkiyede ingilizce bilenlerin ortalamadan iyi olduğu ama elin hans orospu evladı öyle değil ki bize memed meme'i yapıştırdıklarını yaşayan bunlar yani anasının bodrumunda shitposting yapan orospu evlatları bunlar. 4chande mal türk yok ama 1 tane akıllı ve bulunduğu ülkede bi sikimi becerebilmiş yabancı da yok o yüzden koy götüne amına kodumun hansının
>>68042786
Yunanistan tek başına sikimde değil amk bir bütün olarak hepsinden bahsediyorum ben. Ayrıca sen yunanı kızdırıyosun da başkası senin yazdığını okumuyo mu. Biz ne zaman shitpost yapsak herkes bize sövmeye başlıyo amk bu bitene kadar shitpostu kessek en azından birine laf attığımızda millet bize sövmeye başlamayacak.
>>68005634
to any t*rkroaches...
do you have any lefties who support the "dismantling" of your nation?
for example, we have groups who support the islamization of thrace, accepting albanian claims in epirus, abandoning cyprus, etc...
do you have any similar ideologists? like (turkish) people who support kurdistan or who want more rights for christians? i suspect that you don't... not to the european extent atleast.
>>68025045
We really wouldnt hate you if you werent oftentimes arrogant islamic assholes. Just behave like humans beeings and redpill your friends to do it then everything is fine.
Polish and swiss get hate on here for it to because they behave like subhumans often here.
>>68018844
Some simple facts:
-Turks feel "proud" about the lands they have, even though most of the Turks never even visited eastern cities.
-AKP has a lot of Kurd votes, so some of them don't even want Kurdistan. Kurds "raise" their voice by terrorizing and bombing cities, so it seems like all kurds want it.
- Here is a map of illegal electricity used in cities by percentage. If we give kurds their land, they would beg for Turkey because they produce NOTHING.
>>68043282
Amk polde takınan ibneler en ırkçı en puşt ibneler. Ve bir şeyden nefret ediyorlarsa nefretlerini yayıyorlar. Eğer bu ibnelerin nefreti biraz olsun azalırsa herkesin nefreti azalır. Ve bal gibi sallarlar ekonomimizi amk.
>>68042062
The ones who are *so obsessed* with Islam actually hate the guy above all else. They hate his guts for attempting to sway them from their shit-tier obscurantist Islamic lifestyle full of barbarism, dumbfuckery and FAIL. At least half of the population don't like him because he tried to tell their simian ancestors to not be so obsessed with Islam because it leads to epic fail.
Actually, the majority of the people who "love him", as you put it, are Muslims in a really "moderate fashion" you'd mayyybe only encounter in Lebanon in any country with a Muslim-majority. They're believers but they're not obsessed with religion and tend to ignore some of the more inconvenient or barbaric tenets of Islam like the absolute prohibition of drinking Alcohol or covering the heads of any humanoid with a vagina in hijab. Islam-lite, basically...
>>68043362
rus jeti düştükten sonra bütün /pol/ün götünü termonükleer olarak yakmak bana acayip bi zevk verdi. kendimi ilk defa epik hisettim. iş bu saatten sonra yem tirad açıp reply yarıştırmaya döndü.
>>68043531
Opposition is not a western phenomenom tho. Just look at west china and how the uighurs are terrorizing the han there. I would actually call it an islamic phenomenom everywhere where is islam there is terror.
>>68035734
well what did you expect them to become if you let them get away with crime and give them stuff because "XD SO PROGRESSIVE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION".
Why didn't you discipline them and make them hardworking Germans Hans?
>>68042064
Careful Frenchcuck, irony can be a bitch.
>>68036077
>>68036277
more like erdopozzed
>>68043855
Because its really not our job. Our job is when germans misbehave in foreign countries to scold them and tell them to behave like a fucking human beeing.
Your people behaving the wrong way only hurts your reputation not ours. In the end nobody actually wants to have any relations to do with you.
>>68005634
>renames constantinople to istanbul
fuck him
>>68037318
Goto bed Hans you're getting tiresome.
If you gate Turks so much you shouldnt have given them that fancy submarine and force them to join the war with you as allies. You. Dumb. Fucking. German. Cunt.
>>68044196
>mfw Istanbul is also a Greek name.
Stupid turks can't invent shit.
>>68041812
>ev zencisi
kek
>>68044196
but also istanbul is a greek name.
i-stan-polis
" the city"
>>68044388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYqb8YTIKE
malcolm x'in linkini verdiğim konuşmasında geçiyor. beyazlara yaltaklık eden zenci manasında
qeustion to any turks here
do muslims really hate westerners and people of other religion or is it just that we perceive this image because we only let in the low tier scum of muslims
>>68042645
>soros-erdoPOZ connection
i-is /pol/ always right?
>>68044196
"The modern Turkish name for the city, İstanbul, derives from the Greek phrase eis tin polin (εἰς τὴν πόλιν), meaning "into the city" or "to the city"."
Why the fuck do you even care about it?
>>68020584
>when we call armenian historians for debates or conferences, all they refused. y
This is kind of bullshit though- you even go so far as to pay american turkaboos to support your nonsense.
The idea that Harvard, Yale, etc scholards are all lying is nonsense and you know it.
So is the idea that you owe reparations tho
>>68044583
Islam is a war based religion that's more like a military code. It was founded by a military leader, unlike most other religions and essentially all with a large following. Muslims see themselves as constantly at war with infidels and in a constant state of jihad. A westcuck will tell you this is a radical interpretation, but it's simply a literal one. The Joos undermined Christianity in Christian nations and enforced secularism, so westcucks assume other people are just like them when they aren't.
>>68044583
it's complicated.
actually we kind of like foreigners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czv5lhbnXxk
watch this. a british woman come and stays one month with nomads. they were crying when she left. it is nice and comfy actually.
>>68044196
it's literally another greek name for it you faggit
>>68044583
Lowest of the low tier hates you to their bones. Low tier don't like you. Mid tier don't like you but they also don't care about it so much. Top tier have no hatred nor love against you. There are exceptions tho...
>>68044764
humiliation factor. literally no reason to do such a thing to a historical 1600 year old city. also, "constantinople" is noble and elegant, "istanbul" sounds like a mongol shitskin word
>>68038278
It's a bit shitty for Greeks to just claim all the comfy Aegan coastal lined territories and leave the cesspool of Anatolian gypsies for someone else to take care of.
These Greeks are a bunch of fucking cherry pickers :^)
>>68005634
>>tfw a Pole has written "Les Turcs anciens et modernes" thus created turkish nationalism
>>His islamic name Mustafa Celaleddin aka Konstanty Borzęcki
>tfw was thinking of converting to islam
>tfw read the koran
>tfw felt my stomach churn
How do you do it lads?
>>68044545
aga referansi kaptim da Turkce gorunce yarildim valla
>>68045160
istanbul?more like pisstanbullshit lol
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