Should gun manufacturers be sued if their guns are used in crimes, /pol/?
I've had some people tell me that since guns are made to kill and if they are used to kill, that means that the purpose of the gun is being used correctly, so gun manufacturers should be sued for this reason.
What do you guys think?
should the farmer be sued if someone chokes on his potatoes?
what kind of question is that?
if anyone (except for the criminal, obviously) maybe the one who sold it, but even then only if it was an illegal sale.
officially guns are not meant to be used in crimes anyway, thefore u cannot say that they were used correctly
I really hope you are using a proxy. I always thought the swiss were smarter than this.
>>67999134
How is the company responsible for the consumer? Should every company that made anything used in a crime, that brick they want through the window, better, sue the brick manufacture for making bricks that can be thrown through windows.
They are not responsible for other peoples actions.
>>67999134
>Should gun manufacturers be sued if their guns are used in crimes, /pol/?
No.
>>67999134
Should my penis be sued if I fuck your mom?
I don't know, do you sue medpack manufacturers if people die in Swiss?
I crashed my car and ran someone over can I sue ford now?
>>67999888
checked
>>67999134
Sweet, when can we sue the ATF for supplying el
chapo with guns?
>>67999954
damnit
>>67999134
More people die in car crashes, always someones fault, why does no one suggest suing the car companies?
Should we sue Audi if a bank robber used an A4 as the getaway car?
>>67999134
That's more retarded than the kid here that's blaming amazon for stabbing someone after he bought a knife there.
>>67999134
It is a great idea to sue gun manufacturers for what people do with their products.
It would set a much needed precident.
If you run over someone with your car intentionally the manufacturer should be sued.
Beat someone with a golf club or ball bat? Sue the maker.
Poison someone? Sue the maker.
I mean shit, we can't possibly blame the dipshit doing the crime. It is the implements fault.
>>67999134
Gun manufacturers should only be sued if their guns are involved in a failure of the device to operate in the proper manner that causes the gun to explode and maim/kill someone. You can only sue a company for a defective product, not if that product was used in a non-intended manner.
>>67999134
Arms manufacturers are supposed to attempt to control where their weapons end up. As long as they are doing that they should have nothing to fear from the courts.
Bottom line is a lot of arms manufacturers don't. Even large, profitable arms manufacturers shovel their wares into anyone who will take them. Sig Sauer got done for rerouteing guns through the US State Department to get them into Colombia.
>>67999134
Should kitchen knife manufacturers be sued if their knives are used in a crime?
>>68000121
See
>>68000060
This actually happens in the UK.
>>68000065
Beautifully said. Unfortunately OP is not trolling, liberals shoot nice sounding ideas out of their mouth without thinking it through
>>67999134
Let's start by suing SIG-Sauer for equipping every male adult in your population with a dangerous people-killing machine gun.
>67999999
They shouldn't. How the fuck is this even a question?
>>68000392
Anti-gun fucks constantly throw shit against the wall hoping something sticks, no matter how retarded.
>>68000445
Are you implying that banning barrel shrouds ISNT a good idea?
>>67999134
No, not gun manufacturers, but retailers should be sued if their guns are used in a crime and they didn't do proper background checks.
No, but they should be banned from membership in the NRA.
It's like motorcycle manufacturers being in and funding the lobbying of the American Motorcyclist Association. They aren't always working in the interests of riders. Best to have them in their own trade group, like the NADA.
>>68000509
It is a great idea.
That and the shoulder thing that goes up have to go.
Think of the children.
>>67999134
manufacturers are only liable for damages if their product malfunctions
example a company makes brake pads and they dont work or tires that blow out when they are used very little well below the average millage they would be expected to last
a gun company makes barrels that fail to often causing injury to the owner then you got a case. a gun company makes a product that fires bullets into other people you got nothing
Who got it?
>>67999999
>>68000569
You can't protect gun rights without protecting manufacturers.
>>68000445
I'm against guns in the hands of criminals. I think people should focus on that.
I wish in my country I could acquire firearms to protect myself, and I could shoot a low-life trying to rob me, but unfortunately we are gun-cucked.
>>68000001
So close 6 zero
Oh and us finns think alike :)
We know our guns are freedom and good!
>>67999354
That's because you have fallen for their mountain jewish trickery. Everything you think to know about Switzerland is just memes.
>>68000001
Yes, we must put limits on how fast cars can go.
Every car should be connected to a government website that can shut them down if they are being used to commit a crime.
>>68000681
No. That's their brainwashing.
"You cannot protect drivers without letting GM dictate auto legislation."
>>67999134
Should a butcher shop be sued if somebody buys a steak, cooks it, feeds it to their family and their son chokes to death on it?
>>68000001
Off by one.
>>67999134
Wow, that's really fucking dumb.
Have you ever considered suicide?
I mean as an option for you, not as in a hypothetical way to engage a conversation with you, that's retarded.
What I mean is, you should probably kill yourself.
Like right now.
>>67999134
>Should gun manufacturers be sued if their guns are used in crimes, /pol/?
yes.
>they profess the guns are only made for specific purposes and if they're used otherwise, they should be liable in some way
>they're providing the tools for the "crazies" to enact their craziness, so they should contribute to combating these so call "crazies"
>it's a societal responsibility, both ethically and economically, for them to contribute to keeping people safe while providing that which potentially makes people unsafe
>when guns sales increase after mass shootings, it's repugnant for them to reap profits from what's effectively the blood of gun crime victims
>they continue to persist with "moar guns = safer society" twilight zone rationale, so they must therefore continue to support victims of those who their guarantees have not held up for
The analogy in question is that if a drunk driver runs someone over, the manufacturer wouldn't be sued. That's very true. However, it's not analogous to this situation, and neither are the ones you just posited.
The correct analogy for a hammer would be that marketing for the hammer focused on things like how it can smash hard objects such as a skull. And then someone uses that hammer to smash a skull.
"Forces of opposition, bow down. You are single-handedly outnumbered" is highlighting the AR-15's ability to take out a large number of targets without giving "the opposition" time to respond. So, you don't see a problem with that marketing when someone uses it for that and those targets are people?
Gun manufacturers should be liable for crimes.
>>68000893
So precisely how would one go about protecting gun rights without protecting manufacturers as well?
>>67999134
>strangle someone to death
>sue your parents for not aborting
>>67999134
You are retarded. Get out of pol before we lynch you
>>68001166
>>68001159
>>68000605
>>68000590
In the news today.
>>67999134
You should consider suicide as a possible means to increase your IQ.
Should tanning bed companies be sued if you get skin cancer?
>>68001334
>>67999961
No you have to sue colt for making the rifles the ATF "lost" to Chappo.
>>68001134
I sat in my house and ate chips and drank whisky until I got morbidly obese and am in rehab. I am going to sue Fritos because their product made me fat and jack Daniels because they made me a drunk.
I should in no way be held responsible for my actions.
>>67999134
Should car manufacturers be sued if their cars are used in crimes, /pol/?
I've had some people tell me that since cars are made to go fast and if they are used to go fast, that means that the purpose of the car is being used correctly, so car manufacturers should be sued for this reason.
What do you guys think?
>>68000850
my steak knife cut me instead of the steak, bin it
>>68001309
>not suing your arms for giving you access to your hands
>>68001166
Funny how that pic never mentioned Switzerland which has the higher gun ownership rate in Europe and the lowest murder rate. Guess what? The plurality of gun crimes are committed by black and Mexican gangs.
Guns aren't the problem. People who abuse them are, which tend to be people of color.
>>67999134
Sure, but also sue jewellers for blood diamonds, telecommunication for IS-propaganda and cellphone manufacturers for promoting slavery. Seriously, what weird logic is that?
>>67999134
Once the first lawsuit is filed against a car manufacturer for someone purposefully running someone over, knife manufacturers are sued for stabbings, sleeping pill manufacturers are sued for suicides, and fucking silverware companies are sued for obesity, sure. Until then, fuck off.
>>68001571
No common sense allowed in this no-guns zone.
>>68001334
>knife frenzy in chinkland -- 20 stabbed (but survive)
>gun massacre in amerikka -- entire class of children shot (and are killed)
apples and triple patty greaseball burgers, burger brain
>>67999134
Probably not. You could make a case for whichever range trained them.
Should we sue black people for producing black people that commit crimes?
>>67999134
guet logik bro :DD macht voll sinn
>>en abfall
>>68001166
>I don't know what adjusting for population is
>>68001517
>suing your arms when its obviously the heteronormative muscle tissue
#notallarmsaretransquantumstateapologists
>>68001334
why is he holding grand thef auto?
jesus fucking christ is fish n chips lands more retarded than burgerland?
>>68001687
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiamen_bus_fire
>>68001199
Well, marketing for guns, if any, is centered on self defense or hunting . Any use outside of those two is therefore not the purpose it was meant for. At least not from the manufacturer's point of view
Of course.
Alcohol makers need to be sued for drunk driving deaths.
Knife makers need to be sued for stabbings
Phone makers need to be sued for terrorists cells and resulting deaths
Facebook needs to be sued for suicides over bullying.
etc., etc., etc.
>>68001687
:^)
>>68001827
>jesus fucking christ is fish n chips lands more retarded than burgerland?
yes
>>68001827
People also blamed GTA and Eminem for gun violence in the late 90s. The media is eternally retarded.
>>68001827
>why is he holding grand thef auto
The article as a whole is about how someone posing as a 13 year old child was able to buy things on Amazon that are usually age-restricted, such as knives, porn, alcohol or 18-rated video-games.
>>67999134
No. Dumb idea.
Sue Apple for "hacking" a bank account on a Mac?
Sue Ford because that was the getaway car for the bank robbery?
Sue AT&T because the drug dealers use that service for their dealing?
It's another feel good pro-feefee dipshit liberal idea.
>>68001571
>Guns aren't the problem.
inanimate objects are never the problem -- a hammer doesn't hit one's thumb on its own... but without the hammer, the thumb would not be hit. what's your point?
the problem in merricu is ITS CULTURE -- i.e., it has none. as such, using nations with respectable cultural heritage, high standards of living, good educational systems, multicultural integration et al., is not a relevant comparison to the undeclared war zone that the U.S. is.
australia - a similarly younger nation and also very multi ethnic - is a better simile: had gun massacres -- banned guns in the hands of the capricious porletariat -- no more massacres
>logic
>lunacy
pick one
>>68002006
Source? I don't know of any mass shootings in Switzerland in the last 10 years.
>>68001804
>I don´t know what the australian flag means
Also in burgerland suicides are done with guns because not everyone is an atention whore.
Add suicide rates in all numbers, adjust for population and the only difference are police and gang shootings.
>>68002132
http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
>>68001804
>I don't know what "First World" means
>I don't know what "moar guns = safer society" common core logic means
>I don't know that even adjusting for population, the U.S. is up there with most war zone for firearm related deaths
>>67999134
They're meant to kill in self defense. If someone used a kitchen knife to kill someone, would you sue the kitchen tool brand because the knife is designed for cutting?
>>67999134
Manufacturers should not. However the distributer should if they failed to demand adequate background checks.
A good system might be to fine a gun shop or distributer a couple thousand dollars or so for every crime their guns were used in. This would motivate them to insist on strong background checks.
>>67999134
I don't know, should Toyota be sued if someone uses a Camry in a hit and run?
Should whoever the fuck makes baseballs be sued whenever a kid knocks out a window?
Should hostess be sued when someone dies after going on the twinkee diet?
I think the answer is clear; absolutely!
Sue everyone for whatever goes wrong in your life, hell sue people for stuff that goes right. There should never be a moment in your life that you're not sueing at least like, 4 companies.
And make sure to tip your judge and attorney after losing
>>68002132
>mass shootings
usually defined as gunshot wounds inflicted on two or more
If i shot myself by accident in the foot and hit my neightbour a floor beneath me it would count by some definitions as a mass shooting.
>>68002132
>>68002006
is this Crime research people legit?
>>67999134
Can i sue Big Media for promoting Gun Violence, and showing off how cool is to go on a mass shooting rampage?
>>67999134
should faggots and niggers be sued for spreading AIDS around?
>>68002244
>he cares about the tools used rather than the crime committed
>>68002132
>I don't know of any mass shootings in Switzerland in the last 10 years.
I don't know of any part of the U.S. that resembles Switzerland
>one country hides from wars and hides stolen money
>one country starts wars and hides its stolen money
Can you name these countries?
>>68002119
Australia needs to ban fire too apparently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>>68001842
eating too many carrots can kill you, but we don't fight wars with 50-cal carrots
food for thought
>>68002397
>>68002188
Read it for yourself and make your own conclusion.
It's a pretty simple study to follow.
>>68002188
>>68002397
Really wonder where they got this info. Google resulted in one mass shooting in 2001 and the other one in 1912
>>68002381
This might explain the numbers
>>68002006
stinks like absolute rubbish -- needs to be cited, sourced, its sources and statistics vetted, what samples were used ...
smells like teen spoof
>>68002513
Thanks for the non sequitur.
>>68001687
>army in the year of the declaration
>army in 2016
Any questions cuckold?
>>68002562
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_W%C3%BCrenlingen_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Menznau_shooting
They looked at 2009-2015
>>67999134
She needs ear plugs!
>>68002670
see
>>68002188
>>68002188
>Norway doesnt fuck around
>>68002774
>2016
>having an army
If you invite your enemy to come over your border and feast on your women and welfare they are just expensive paperweight.
>>68000850
But we already put limits on how fast cars go.
It's called a speed limit. There's a fine for going above that limit. Obviously nobody would go faster than the speed limit cause that's against the law. Just like nobody would have a gun if it were against the law, cause then they would be criminals and criminals just don't exist.
Also, there are in fact hard limits out on vehicles that physically(electronically) prevent them from exceeding an arbitrary speed. I wonder why that hard limit isn't just set at the maximum speed limit of whatever continent you buy your car on?
>>68002188
Checked the sources. At least one of the included crimes in Switzerland was 1) done by a turk. And 2) was a case of domestic violence. Not what I would call an public mass shooting. He killed his own family.
>>68002485
>guns are love wands that fire mung beans
>no one is responsible for daily massacres except for the AR-15 toting loons and the toddlers who were dumb enough not learn how to dodge bullets™
that's some wicked logic you're firing off there, burger brain... hardly surprising, of course, coming from a nation whose educational system is geared wholly to keeping the elite and effluent separate in their respective places
>>68002855
No. The gun company didn't commit a crime, they simply build the guns. If you sue them, not only do you cut the supply of arms to citizens, but also to law enforcement and the military.
>>67999377
>>67999888
This. Personal responsibility doesn't exist for the left. That's why they're unemployable and ask for handouts all the time. Also checked
>>68002995
Do you also discount the ones done in America that were done by Africans or "workplace" violence?
>>67999780
Kek'd
>>68001309
Clearly you should be sueing the nearby abortion clinic for not forcefully aborting you against your mother's wishes
>>68002763
lex talinois
>>68002866
there is no problem and all the massacres are reptilian skull & bones conspiracies as a result of HAARP induced holucinations, seeded by chemtrails and eugenics vaccines... gotcha
>>68002932
>missing the point by this much
>>68003183
If they weren't public places, yes. At least if the definition is "public mass shooting"
>>67999134
If you hit me with a hammer and kill me can my family sue Stanley?
>>67999134
Should car companies be sued if one of their cars injures or kills someone?
Of course not.
>>68001166
God damn, the Americans have a serious sentient gun problem.
>>68001764
I like how you think.
Simply hold the parents of criminals accountable for their children's actions. I'm curious how long it would take for black parents to just start killing their children
>>68002995
gun nuts love to twist statistics, knowing full well not everyone has the time of inclination to vet the numbers they throw up to buttress their claims
>the bible's text can be used to 'predict' anything using number algorithims... after the fact
>statistics can be used to prove anything
>corpses and who they belong to are a better measure
>>67999134
>made to kill
Guns are made for self-defense, bait harder
>>68001687
>>68002513
>>68003289
>>68002119
>>68002431
>>68002513
Man, this Australian shitposter is in high gear today!
>>68003289
>all the massacres
>country with population over 300,000,000
>>68003298
You can remove Switzerland from the study if you wish then.
>>67999134
should gun manufacturers be rewarded in some meaningful way when guns are used to kill dangerous criminals?
>>68003501
kek demands it
>>68002119
>multicultural integration
How's that sharia law working out for you? Sincerely hope you don't have or plan to have a daughter
>>67999134
Should rope manufacturers be sued when you auto-eroitic asphyxiate yourself while being cucked faggot?
Seriously how dumb are you?
>>68003404
a cultural problem is what they have -- generation of inculcation of the notion that the power to wield death at one's fingertips is some "god-given" right and that the loosely interpreted statue of their constitution that underpins this claim - itself a defunct parchment which those who transcribed it meant for it to be revised every decade - is some proof of holy writ that it's a kind of universal constant
>brainwashing is a hell of a drug
>>68002244
>Not knowing that a majority of deaths caused by firearms are intentionally self inflicted, and that those suicides greatly skew the data
>>68003629
I'd rather see a study about deaths by guns minus cases of where it was self defense. It would be way easier than creating and upholding a construct like "public mass shooting" and then contradict yourself in your own study because you don't follow the self proclaimed definition.
>>68003790
yeah but the argument is that guns are designed specifically to kill, rope is designed primarily to bind things
>>68003870
>notion that the power to wield death at one's fingertips is some "god-given" right
You know that by merely having hands you have this power.
>meant for it to be revised every decade
kek well at least I know you're just yanking my tail, 7/10 good effort
>>68000001
So close to this goy >>68000000
Also OP should we sue knife manufacturers if I stab someone?
>>68000761
No one is against that, except criminals. The main issue is that just about every gun control law only really affects those who are not criminals
>>67999134
What kind of question is that, of course not. What kind of logic is that, the gun manufacture didn't shoot you. Thats like suing the MLB or whoever makes baseball bats when your friend break your nose with one.
>>68001411
That's literally an over 9000 times better case than OP.
OP literally has no ground to stand on whatsoever.
>>68003004
thats big talk coming from an irish convict who lost a war to emus
>>68003343
yes. if a car has some inherent fault - a du jour example being internet enabled cars found to be hackable - then of course the manufacturer must be responsible.
that's not an appropriate analogy anyway, given that motor vehicles are not designed for the explicit purpose of killing... and in fact have many fail-safes in place to protect its passengers and pedestrians (the near diametric opposite of firearms)
>>68003629
>country with population over 300,000,000
then there is no problem, only kookspiracies, and it's just the pea shooters the gov't want because they wanna make it easier to shuffle the knuckle draggers into FEMA camps... and they don't want to get dents on their Abrams tanks in the process
>>68003790
>Should rope manufacturers be sued when you auto-eroitic asphyxiate yourself while being cucked faggot?
yes.... IF the rope is made and sold for the explicit purpose of restricting oxygen to the brain during sexual climax in order to heighten arousal... then yes. (*provided they haven't disclaimed their responsibility in the EULA, that is)
>>68002777
Thanks, didn't remember those. The one in 2013 was Albanian though
>>67999134
>Should gun manufacturers be sued if their guns are used in crimes, /pol/?
Should car or alcohol manufacturers be sued for someone who gets drunk and kills some people drunk driving when said car/alcohol was bought completely legally before the crime was committed?
Faggot
>>68003632
Yes, they should receive at least a tax break and at most a settlement from the perpetrator or their family for every criminal stopped using a gun they manufactured. At the same time, to maintain fairness, the gun company should have equal sanctions for each crime committed using their gun. I guarantee the gun manufacturers come out positive in the deal
>>68004410
Great, so the two listed shootings in Switzerland were Albanian and Turkish.
>>68004011
see
>>68001647
>>68000060
Total intentional homicides and suicides vs. gun ownership rates.
There's a tiny negative correlation so you're between guns have no impact on homicide rates or guns manage to slightly reduce homicide rates.
Sources are;
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/publications/by-type/yearbook.html
http://www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/pdfs/2014_GLOBAL_HOMICIDE_BOOK_web.pdf
http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/product?code=crim_gen&language=en&mode=view
You can stick the numbers into excel yourself and replicate those graphs yourself.
>>68004405
I said nothing about conspiracies, I have no doubt that liberals have good intentions.
>>68004405
Wow, youve been standing on the line between pure unadulterated shitposting and sever mental retardation. Now I can actually say for certain that you're retarded. Thanks for the laugh.
>>68004117
Gun control laws should be there so that people, that don't know how to use weapons securely and mentally ill don't have guns, but other than that, everyone should be free to have any kind of weapons including automatic assault rifles and such.
>>67999134
we should sue the victims for not having a gun
>>67999134
>Should gun manufacturers be sued if their guns are used in crimes, /pol/?
Sure, but only if we can sue the parents of criminals first for raising a bad egg.
>>68003004
Present day Australia
>Muh American guns
Australia, 1941
>need muh American guns
Fak off m8
>>67999134
>car manufacturers should be sued for drunk drivers
>knife manufacturers should be sued for stabbings
>water company should be sued for pool drownings
>electric company should be sued for electrocutions
>aircraft manufacturer should be sued for pilot error
>>67999134
She has dick sucking lips
>>68003004
>Australia
>not a perfect example of why gun control is a failure
> Harvard study detailing how gun control is counter productive and a waste of valuable police resources
http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
>Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
>Upon interviewing convicted felons, these researchers found that
>74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, due to fears of being shot
>57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police
>40% of the felons had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
http://libertyfirearmstraining.com/blog/2013/05/16/criminals-fear-armed-citizens-more-than-they-do-the-police/
>>68003734
>How's that sharia law working out for you?
do you see a crescent moon in the flag accompanying my posts? if not, what in the nigger cream pie feltching fuck are you babbling about through your burger-filled blow hole, gun gobbler?
>>68004050
>You know that by merely having hands you have this power.
spoken like someone who's never trained to fight or fought in their lives and only watch 007 kah-rah-tay chop henchmen to death (*it's not that easy to kill someone...unless you run up behind them with a brick... and even that's not a guaranteed kill without you going full blasphemy-enraged mudslime on their unconscious head)
>kek well at least I know you're just yanking my tail,
two decades, actually --
http://classroom.synonym.com/founding-father-wanted-constitution-change-20-years-11735.html
...but I've read nine(9) years postulated before, as that was apparently the turnover rate of governments in those days (...their founding fathers were prudent and weren't idiots, as the droogs they left behind are today)
>>67999134
Guns are tools. Tools to help physically weaker people to fight off physically stronger people. It's utterly retarded to think they are anything more than tools.
If someone beats someone to death with a shovel, is that the shovel's fault? No.
>>68004630
In the UK, when anyone aged 14 and over (even drunks), could go and buy a gun with no background checks, no waiting periods, our homicide rates were lower than after the restriction to 18 and over with a licence (which you just went to the post office and bought, no records of transactions were kept etc).
Kids even used to take their parents rifles to school with them so they could go shooting after.
The homicide rates went up even more after they started banning classes of guns in the 60's firearms act.
I don't believe these to be anything more than coincidence but it does demonstrate that banning guns has definitely not reduced homicide rates.
>>68002961
I can buy and drive around my home with any car as long its on my property and never register it or have a licence. Lets do this for guns too
>>68004405
Why are Australians so fucking stupid?
For real dog.
>>68003502
>gun nuts love to twist statistics,
>the only people who have been outright caught manipulating stats is antigunners
>the 300+ "mass shootings last year" one was so bad even the left wing rag mother Jones had to call it out as outright bullshit and cited the actual number of less than 12.
>>67999134
>someone used something I made for an unintended purpose so it must be my fault
Liberal logic 101.
>>67999134
Should tooth brush manufacturers be sued if someone tried to brush their asshole instead of their mouth? Fuck off with that gay ass illogic.
>>67999134
only if we can sue the kikes at Halliburton for every dead civilian
>>68004978
You can kill a man by stepping on their head m8 austrialians need to stop talking about anything tough guy like lol
>>67999134
it should be the other way around really
>>68004405
Oh didn't even notice you replied to me. Said the thing about you being a retard halfway through reading.
Anyway, firearms on the civ market are sold for the purpose of personal defense, hunting, target shooting, etc.
Things that are not unjustifiable murder.
In conclusion, we should have let the jap have their way with you.
>>68004617
whose the retard:
the one that shit-posts ~OR~ the one that's triggered by so-called shit-posts and apparently wastes their precious, irreplaceable, fleeting time responding to thus instead of colliding particles at CERN and nutting out unified field theories...?
>>68004776
Present day Australia
>Muh American guns
Australia, 1941
>need muh American guns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
>>68004617
I know, right?
Jesus christ.
>>68003870
So grandmaster shitposter, who should have the right to wield death?
The poorly trained police force, which are understaffed?
Perhaps only the army, consisting of only volunteers (in USA anyway). Clearly that won't be a problem, to restrict deadly force to less than 1% of the population then accept whoever applies that meets basic physical requirements.
Or should guns only be owned by politicians and their private security force, not even the army?
>>68005333
>You can kill a man by stepping on their head m8
thank you. come again.
>>68005006
No no of course not... that would be silly.
It's the fault of people who make shovels.
>>68004036
Yeah, bind your neck to the rafters.
Hold rope manufacturers responsible for these atrocious acts committed using their products! Think of the children! THE CHILDREN!!!
>>68005390
>In conclusion, we should have let the jap have their way with you.
perhaps we'll let the chinks have their way with you
>triggered
>>68005441
Non sequitur faggot
>>68000850
Don't you have work to do, home secretary?
>>68005672
Implying they could even get here, let alone support the logistics.
>>67999134
If I murder someone with a Philips screwdriver, should someone be able to sue craftsman?
On the other hand, If a gun explodes in your hands after you pull the trigger, a lawsuit should probably follow
>>68005672
Also, pic.
>>68005469
>complains about "poorly trained" and "unfettered" cops
>complains about nigger chimp-outs
>complains about mah tyrannies
question:
why would anyone live in such a fucked up, Dystopic, lost cause of war zone like environment as the U.S. seems to always be portrayed as being beyond Drumpf Tower? ...Or are you a rich cunt typing from 50 floors above Manhattan?
>>68004405
>if a car has some inherent fault
That's not what he's saying though.
He's saying if someone were to use the perfectly functioning car in a manner that kills or injured a person, say for example a jay walker gets run over, or a jealous girlfriend drives into some guy's ex girlfriend's house, should the car manufacturer be responsible?
Technically the car is being used exactly as intended, as transportation on paved roads, but the operator has committed a crime.
>>68006073
>needing to install circuitry in a device you can make in your back garden
>>68006104
Woah woah WOAH WOAHWOAHWOA I BRGBBI SLOW DOWN MAN FUK ME
Way over my head man.
What's a car?
--Australia
>>68005441
The retard is actually the one who believes the retarded dribble spewing out of your mouth, although some of it is sound. But based on your replies and comments I can say for certain you take what the little voices in your head and every unsourced biased piece of information the left gives out for gospel. Therefor with absolute certainty I can say that you are in fact the most retarded man I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with on the internet and that's saying something because I've been in various mech threads on /k/.
>>68004405
>that's not an appropriate analogy anyway, given that motor vehicles are not designed for the explicit purpose of killing..
Firearms are explicitly designed to fire a projectile using a flammable propellent only when the trigger is pulled.
Gun companies have and still can be sued if they release a gun that can fire with no modifications without the trigger being pulled.
They like every other single manufacturer ever are not responsible for people using their products in an illegal manner and the only reason we have a law to explicitly stop this is because the gun manufacturers are the only ones who have been discriminantly targeted for this frivolous litigation.
By the same logic someone who force feeds a bunch of people bleech their relatives should be able to sue the bleech manufacturer because misuse of their product could lead to death.
>and in fact have many fail-safes in place to protect its passengers and pedestrians
You claim this is the opposite of firearms but this is just an outright lie. Firearms manufacturers have taken many many safety steps to ensure that their products will only fire when they are supposed to.
Pic related is a perfect example
It is a firing pin block that makes it impossible for a gun to be fired unless the trigger is pulled which all manufacturers started putting on their products in the 80s because of fear of lawsuit of someone dropping their gun it firing and them rightfully being sued. Now I could throw this gun off a skyscraper loaded and there is zero chance it will discharge an older 1911 would absolutely go off under the same conditions.
Your own faggot ignorance doesn't make your retarded opinions less objectively wrong faggot
>>68001166
its not a gun problem, we have a nigger problem. we thought you all knew about this.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
>>68005917
they probably be able to sail over using the rudders they invented attached to their junks, actually, and just take you over through sheer 'predatory satiation' --
http://www.empcommission.org/
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi5leKhgs3LAhWJFpQKHR5gBhkQFggjMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.empcommission.org%2Fdocs%2Fempc_exec_rpt.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEERJCd0cHbfWtuQr8FqRGPZ-CcMg&sig2=KB9e3NqSH-s52Qatt5BOfw&bvm=bv.117218890,d.dGo
http://www.wsj.com/articles/james-woolsey-and-peter-vincent-pry-the-growing-threat-from-an-emp-attack-1407885281
>>68006104
>He's saying if someone were to use the perfectly functioning car in a manner that kills or injured a perso
Since when are cars designed with the explicit purpose to kill? Is this some new 'Death Race' type entertainment genre that the degeneration of the U.S. now thrown up...?
>>68006389
At that point China just ficki ficki themselves. Only a retard would first-strike.
>>68006073
>>68006389
>>68006584
Not done shitposting yet are you?
>>68006273
I'm not suggesting gun prohibition would work in the U.S. - see: culture, racial malaise, corruption / racism in the constabulary et al. - only that the notions put forward by NRA shills are inane and rooted in retardation (literally speaking) handed down by generations of trigger lickers and barrel blowers.
>the U.S. a lost cause and an easy target to trigger
>>68006073
> Straya
> IRL mad max wasteland in backyard
Opinion discarded.
> that comic
families have guns that have passed down for generations. The guns I learned to shoot on were owned by my great great grandfather and those guns will be what my kids learn to shoot and even my grandchildren.
Modern tech like "smart guns" will render a gun useless once its owner dies, Not even worthy of being an heirloom. This isn't even getting into the argument about reliability.
>>68006073
>an antigun image that is lying about the issue and the reasoning behind the opposition to said issue
Color me surprised
Pro tip the opposition is to laws that make it so smart gun tech is 100% mandatory and specifically in New Jersey once one smart gun is sold commercially anywhere in America all guns sold in New Jersey must have this tdch within 5 years.
Currently there are two smart guns that exist and both are extremely expensive (1700 for a 22lr pistol plus another 400 for the watch that actually makes it function as a smart gun. BTW the average price for a similar 22lr "dumb" gun is around 150-300$) and notoriously unreliable as in the have a failure to fire at a rate of 1 out of every 10 rounds fired.
What you're seeing is a nation wide boycott of this technology because gun owners don't want to see their fellows in New Jersey being forced to have all but two guns banned in their state which is by any definition a massive infringement on new Jersey residents rights.
Even the big bad ebul NRA has made it clear that they do not oppose the technology itself but encourage boycotting it until these extremely unconstitutional and massively infringing laws are removed from the books. They have pushed zero legislation to stop their sale
>>67999134
If I stab 10 people with a knife, should the knife manufacturer be sued?
>>68006284
>Firearms are explicitly designed to fire a projectile using a flammable propellent only when the trigger is pulled
that's not it's purpose -- that's it's FUNCTION
>Firearms manufacturers have taken many many safety steps
like what?... plastic cable ties through the trigger mechanism? metal boxes with luggage locks? fluorescent stickers advising no one under 18 (months) should play with a loaded gun unsupervised...?
>>68007024
No that's just the Aborigines genes in you.
>>68006895
So you've been shitposting for what reason then? You've gone through this much effort to try and voice your opinion and try to force others to accept why it is right only to have it shot to hell then go "nah, I was just joking, only pretending to be retarded." Alright.
>>67999134
of course not fag
>>68006584
>Since when are cars designed with the explicit purpose to kill?
Since when are guns "explicit purpose to kill" outside of faggot empty rhetoric?
Because last I checked their only design intention is what the dictionary definition States it is
From.Miriam Webster
Firearm
> a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms
>>68007244
>shitposting for what reason
Look at his fleg m80
>>68006909
>families have guns that have passed down for generations.
learned history is what U.S. families should pass down from generations... not their gun fetishism... so that the nation can perhaps learn from its mistakes rather than keep repeating them
just spit ballin'...
>>68006955
>and specifically in New Jersey
I agree that New Jersey should probably be provided with as any guns ad they like... to facilitate their cancer treatments / euthanasia --
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-deception/
>>68000001
you had one job.
No they should not because they are not the people selling the guns to people who are going to use it for crime that is the responsibility of the person who is making the sale.
>>68007480
>learn from its mistakes
The ones that made us the most powerful and influential nation ever? Right. We should learn from our mistakes and be more like the glorious nation of Australia. You're welcome for the Pacific, by the way.
>>68007244
>shitposting
>purposefully
>on /pol/
>about guns
>to merricunts
>>67999134
Should the parents of criminals be executed if their child commits a crime?
After all, they made the criminal....
>>68007127
>like what?... plastic cable ties through the trigger mechanism?
Fun fact all gun manufacturers provide pic related with all new guns and state in the manual that it is to be stored unloaded with said device again to avoid lawsuits for actual legitimate reasons. Which the illegal use of their product is not and never will be a legitimate grounds for lawsuit of any manufacturer of any product ever.
>you in charge of not being a total Ignorant faggot with entirely wrong retarded opinions
>>68007395
>guns aren't aren't necessarily designed to kill
>dildos aren't necessarily designed to fuck
>>68006584
Butcher knives are made with the explicit purpose of cutting flesh, I cut the flesh of a person knife company sued because knife was used for intended purpose.
On the flip side there are guns made specifically for competition target shooting, I put that gun to someone's head and kill em. Lol can't sue gun wasn't made for that.
What about pairing knives? If I skin a human with it I guess we can sue cause lol intended purpose.
The point OP is talking about is obviously ridiculous. Should the manufacturer of a taser be sued if a man uses it on an innocent? Should we go around cutting people's arms off because they might use them to punch people, or try suing God for creating us with them? It's absurd.
>>68007759
how exactly does that cable stop emo tweens who can't get a lay and mudslimes with a virgin wish, from accessing the use of an applicable firearm?
>>67999134
>get hurt by drunk driver
>TIME TO SUE THE COMPANY THAT MADE THE CAR AND THE BREWERY THAT MAKE HIS BEER
No, even considering this is a sign of retardation.
>>67999134
please think about what you just said.
>>68007963
A strawman so nice even I'd put it out in my field.
>>68003004
>mass shootings in Australia, Federation to 1996: 1
>mass shootings in Australia 1996 - now (since gun laws made "tough"): 4
Are you fucking retarded?
>>68001687
Fixed
>>68007819
>Butcher knives are made with the explicit purpose of cutting flesh
hence why you do not see knives in restaurants in the Philippines (upper market places have them and you can ask for them) -- because people used them to stabby-stabby, so they removed them as standard cutlery
similarly, given the U.S. has a predilection for pew-pew, perhaps guns should not be sold in toy stores... as radical a concept as that may sound in the year 2016 of the Julian calander
>if a child cannot be trusted to play with his toys safely, the toys must be removed until they learn their lesson
>>67999134
No. What would your theory of liability be?
>>68008102
objection, your honour -- witness is playing the retard card again
>sustained
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>>68003502
gun-grabber idiots love to twist statistics, knowing full well not everyone has the time or inclination to vet the numbers they throw up to buttress their claims
>>68008204
may the dopamine flow through you
>>68008322
>implying they'd let a window licker of your magnitude anywhere near a courthouse
>>68007767
Please show me where guns are legally or by any definition that isn't leftist faggot rhetoric that says guns are explicitly designed to kill. Protip their only definition is various amounts of "a device that is designed to fire a projectile using an explosive of flammable propellent" and has been since they were invented.
>>68007963
How is the safety lid on bleech supposed to stop the same people from making someone drink it and if it fails should bleech manufacturers be sued?
>>68007480
So I'm assuming you don't shoot guns. You don't hunt, you don't shoot targets, you don't concern yourself with personal, home, or national defense. You don't serve, haven't served in the military and neither did any of your recent ancestors.
Live your life how you will in Emu land and we will live our lives our way here in the states.
>>67999888
Well if you remember Paul Walker died in a Porsche and his family sued Porsche because these retard think porsche are dangerous cars ( especially the Carrera GT)
>>68008141
there have been no "mass" shootings in Oz, rectum rodent
the F.B.I's own measure of a "mass shooting" is 4 dead, including the assailant... and you know full well that's a conservative as fuck metric
the disunited Failed States of Gomorrica has massacres that have body counts regularly topping the dozen mark (mah AR-15's FTW!)... so stop being a sub stupid cunt and stick to what you know -- being a plain, normie stupid cunt
>>68007963
And here is something from the manual of a gun made in the late 80s before this "you can't sue gun manufacturers" law was passed
It reads like any other liability lable regarding misuse or illegal use of a product
>>68004978
Guns are indeed tools of the weak. The weak, oppressed and disempowered. Tools that help the weak kill the tyrant strongmen and gain power. How is that bad?
>everybody who isn't strong (elderly, women, invalid) shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves
>>68007993
What about the bar that served him to the point he was pissing on himself?
>>68008648
>So I'm assuming you don't shoot guns. You don't hunt, you don't shoot targets
why would I? does it create new neural pathways? no. does it leave some legacy for our species? no. does it get me off? no.
firing your wad off is some beta shit man-children do because they're insecure in their masculinity, so they kill shit that cannot shoot back at them.
unless you're a farmer, cop or military, you need to reconcile the fact your gun is a fetish, not unlike faggots that east each others' scat or cunts who cop horse cock -- it releases dopamine in your brain and it GETS YOU OFF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdgxqe2KMjo
>>68005527
Australian Government: "ONE PUNCH CAN KILL"
>anon: you can't kill someone by stepping on their head
>>68009057
Oh look, here comes the nu-male crying about the masculinity of others. You know that women own guns too, right? You know that almost all of your ancestors after the invention of guns owned them, right?
>>68001687
>Knife frenzy in Pooland -- 14 dead
>>68008832
yeah... that'll surely ward the niggers off from using colts in armed hold ups and rapes... if they could read
>>68009096
burgers DO kill... and you should ban 'em
>>68008873
Bars hold liability if they over serve someone who is visibly over intoxicated.
t someone who had to escort drunk friend from bar after they forced him to leave.
It is also why bars can take your keys and force you to take a cab
>>68009148
Freud never said that quote
>>68009234
>nigger break laws
>somehow the fault of a manufacturer obeying all laws
Protip if a company was knowingly selling guns to people who can't legally own them they would be sued out of existence under current law fag
>>68004978
Shit my bad m8, I was looking at a different flag(england's) when I posted. Didn't mean to offend
>>68009644
>>67999335
>should the farmer be sued if someone chokes on his potatoes?
Yes iff the farmer made potatoes for people to choke on.
>>68009790
>>68005040
>I don't believe these to be anything more than coincidence
Good goy. It is surely Pure Coincidence.
>>68009597
Prove it, please.
>>68009897
Heyblook they even say if you're on medication you should consult a doctor about your Firearm and if it is safe while on said medication.
>>68010014
>>68005075
Most states have something like that already. Only a few require a liscense to purchase guns, and those that don't, allow you to carry your gun on your private property without a liscense. Some states even consider your car as such and allow you to carry unliscensed while inside your car.
>>68006584
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>>68007127
>>68007480
>>68007659
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>>68001687
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>>68008322
[pic related]
>>68008721
New Zealand gun ownership rate: 22 per 100
Australia gun ownership rate: 21 per 100
...funny how NZ has MUCH laxer gun laws than us (they can own AR-15s, for example) and don't have any problems with mass shooters, etc.....
Funny how those "tough gun laws" don't stop at least one person being shot each week in Australia.
Funny how those "tough gun laws" didn't stop the Lindt gunman from buying a black-market gun.
Funny how those "tough gun laws" don't stop at least one gun seized in every raid on a gang from being a home-made UZI.
Funny that.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/blogs/australias-gun-laws-are-putting-guns-in-the-hands-of-criminals/story-fnvslm12-1227561946134?nk=497fc733a141badad8b98f3f6d3b78f5-1449288104
Violent crime, home invasions and rapes went up after the gun ban:
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/assault.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/sexual%20assault.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/robbery.html
also, they told us there would never be another massacre.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders
If anything, the retarded normie here is you, you mebourne fag.
>>68010086
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>>68009057
Anti-gun people are more obsessed with guns than pro-gun people. Why else would there be all the comparisons to penises?
.
http://mic.com/articles/123049/19-years-after-passing-strict-gun-control-laws-here-s-what-happened-in-australia?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social
>>68009057
lol, you sound like Carl Cuck. When It comes to my guns, I take them out to maintain them. I shoot them to keep my aim sharp. When I hunt (not often), it's to eat and celebrate a family gathering (only time I hunt).
I don't particularly even like handling them or having to manage their upkeep. It's something that, As a free citizen, I am bound to do as a duty to my citizenship (not to mention the respect to those who maintained them before me and passed them down.)
God forbid any of the few firearms I own need to be used for defense, either from criminality, tyranny, or worse. These are the most important reasons we have them, Even though they most likely will never be used in those circumstances (one can only pray).
>>68002244
Do you know what first world actually means?
>>68009676
You got bullied m8
>>68010317
>>68010281
>>68010086
>>68010014
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>>68008832
>huuuurr is someone breaks every guideline provided by the manufacturer on how to properly use their product as well as violating multiple state local and Federal laws it is somehow the manufacturer fault and they need to be sued because.....
t retards with an agenda/irrational fear and not even a basic understanding of liability laws let alone how firearms work or how they should be handled
>>68006073
Where did I mention chimp outs?
The poorly trained police and the threat of tyranny are completely valid reasons to support an armed citizenry.
Instead of trusting retards dressed in blue to save me on time and not flashbang my baby, I'll save myself.
Instead of accepting whatever our gracious overlords deem necessary to ensure their power remains intact I want at least the hope that I and my fellow citizens have a voice, and if that voice is ignored we can raise up and depose the government and create a new one.
And before you ask, no I don't think a couple hundred thousand guys with rifles can outright overpower the entire standing military, so I advocate the right for citizens to own intact military grade vehicles as well.
>>67999134
I don't know, should Craftsman be sued every time someone kills another with one of their screwdrivers or ratchets?
>>68010014
The tell you to wear ear guards, but what the fuck do soldiers do when things pop off?
>>68011088
> killed by ratchet
I agree with your line of thought, but how with ratchet?
>>68006584
Cars are designed to kill humans in the same way guns are. One propels ounces of metal thousands of feet per second the other tons of metal tens of miles an hour. In fact, cars have way more potential energy than bullets do.
The implied purpose of both products are transportation and resource aquirement and protection
>>68011427
You haven't ever used a tool have you faggot?
>>68011224
Soldiers tend to not wear hearing protection.
This has been changing in recent times thanks to electronic hearing protection that doesn't hinder and even enhances your hearing but still muffles loud sounds and can even be hooked directly to comms but idk to what level these are issued to soldiers
>>68011825
>>68011224
But while training at the range yes soldiers are 100% required to wear hearing protection
>>68011817
... A ratchet though. It's no tire iron.
