Now that his successor is nearly out of office can we look back at Dubya's presidency? Will history forgive him or will he go down as one of the worst US presidents of all time?
He was alright. Still a pretty big idiot though.
In my opinion, at least after watching what President Obama has done, it goes Obama>JFK>Clinton>Reagan>Bush>Trump (god forbid)
>>67974670
>He was alright
9/11 happened a year under his watch
Have you seen him campaign for ANY political effort since he left office?
His administration will be a textbook example of corruption and stupidity for years to come.
If anything, history will judge him worse as time goes on.
>>67974718
>implying the lead-up to 9/11 wasn't all of Bill Clinton's policies
I bet you're a truther, too.
>>67974718
Started a decade "war" on an ideology that resulted in an entire region becoming unstable. This resulted into mass refugee immigration into Europe which resulted in Europe becoming overrun with Muslims.
>>67974366
Easily the worst President of all time. Buchanan and Hoover might be the only 2 possible exceptions.
Bush turned a $263 BILLION annual budget surplus into a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit by the time he was done.
5,000 dead American soldiers. Trillions squandered in pointless wars.
National debt doubled.
Leaves behind the worst economic crash since the Republican Great Depression.
1 million net jobs created over 8 years. The worst record since Republican Hoover.
Leaves behind a financial system on the brink of collapse.
America was hated all around the world.
Oh and Bush kept America safe on 9/11.
No President in American history (except Hoover) took America from such a position of strength, down to such a position of weakness. Bush left America on its knees.
>>67974963
Europe started to get overrun in the 1960s. Enoch was complaining about mass immigration back then
>>67974366
Halliburton. And no.
>>67974670
Obama and bush were as bad as each other. If Obama wasn't so shit Trump wouldn't be half as popular
History will try to forget about the bush admin. Notice how no one tries to talk about the bush presidency in the last few years?
>>67974366
>Implying Bush in any way was anything other than the front man for the true rulers of the US and the West.
>>67974366
We will look back on the last thirty years as the oligarchy era, when we had some of the most corrupt administrations in our history in succession.
The Bushes and Clintons will not be remembered fondly.
>>67974366
He was honestly a decent president who got thrust into the shitstorms of all shitstorms. Al Gore would have handled 9/11 the same way, let's be real, and the Economy was a ticking timebomb since the Clinton years that was just waiting to collapse. He had good intentions but was manipulated from the start by Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.
>>67975056
Literally the most important Era in modern history
There's a reason we say post 9/11. Bush will never be forgotten
>>67975016
Hoover did nothing wrong
>>67975048
All Obama has to do to be as bad as Bush is let 9/11 happen on his watch, lie to the country about WMDs and spend trillions invading the wrong country and sending 5,000 American soldiers to their deaths. Crash the US economy, the US dollar, US jobs, and make the entire world hate America.
Bush wouldn't even his campaign with his own brother until the very end. That's how bad Bush was.
Obama will be out there during the election and he's going to help Hillary smoke that H2B loving Trump BTFO.
>>67974718
Bill Clinton had multiple opportunities to take out bin laden but he chose not to
>>67974857
This.
Every single thing that he did has turned out to have been a horrible idea.
>>67975237
Modern American history. Let's not pretend that the world really cares about 911.
>>67975183
>decent president
>able to be manipulated into completely shitty situations
no, anon, that makes him a fucking dumbass who should've never got elected.
oh wait...
>>67975183
Al Gore would have kept America safe.
Republicans can't be trusted with national security.
Bush was a massive fuckup.
What a gigantic coincidence that the worst terrorist attack, the worst foreign policy disaster and the worst economic crash since the Republican Great Depression all happened on his watch.
Yeah it was all Clinton's fault.
Typical white conservatives. Never taking personal responsibility for their failures.
>>67975312
I usually delay taking out the bins as well.
>>67975308
None of these jobs were because of Obama.
>>67975248
HOOVER DINDU NUFFIN.
Lel.
No of course not. That's why he got BTFO in 1932.
>>67975467
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>67975521
>What is a stimulus package.
>What is Obamacare
Apparently not a job killer like the Republicans promised.
>>67975388
It's gonna be interesting what the history books say as more and more documents become declassified.
Bush was the Neoconservative's wet dream. They finally got their war that they wanted so badly and didn't have to put up with annoying conservative ideals like smaller government and spending cutbacks, instead labeling Bush's policies "compassionate conservatism".
He'll forever stand as an example of the kind of Republican that should never make it to the high office again.
Worst and most corrupt president and administration of the last century
>>67974783
yes, a few weeks ago he was campaigning for a republican from florida for president
>>67975574
Al Gore would have completely paid off the national debt too. That was the plan until fucking Bush came to town.
Business: The Economy
Exorcising the US national debt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/380923.stm
>>67975445
You realize 9/11 changed the entire world because of our actions after right? Not to mention the threat of terrorism leading to increased security everywhere in the west
>>67974366
>Will history forgive him or will he go down as one of the worst US presidents of all time?
He is the worst president of this century. It'll be hard to top him.
>>67975016
It's funny how even if the worst presidents wrecks our shit our economy still beats everybody else.
We are the master race.
>>67974366
Dubya would make the founding fathers proud.
He was pretty good honestly.
>kept Israel safe with more than just words (unlike slick Willy)
>was an actual christian and acted like one (unlike Bill)
>refused to let the US get cucked abroad by dictators and other wrong doers
>got revenge for 9/11
>found Bin Laden first but was unable to capture him due to a liberal congress
>>67975308
>the president is responsible for the job market
>the president is responsible for gas prices
>the president is responsible for stock market cycles
Real tired of these memes desu senpai
a lot of losers and lowlife think domestic policy is the most important but it's actually the opposite. what's most important is foreign policy. trump has said iraq was the worst foreign policy decision in the history of our country. that means bush is in a literal sense the worst president. yes, the soon to be republican nominee and hopefully president has called him the worst president ever.
vietnam, korea, and all these other wars has importance cause we were fighting communism what amounts to an existential threat to america. iraq cost us the most and we weren't even battling an enemy like communism instead we actually created a monster that's even worse with islamic extremist. bush is the worst person of the 21st century and also the worst president we can ever have without totally destroying america and ending humanity.
>>67975689
Not to mention ISIS thanks to Bush's Iraq War invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
>>67975689
This and Bush dragged every 1st world country that would listen into the middle east
>>67975729
Don't forget Bush kept America safe on 9/11, saving the lives of thousands of Americans.
>>67974670
>Obama>JFK
Hold it right there you fucking faggot
>no child left behind
>9/11
>Iraq
Yeah, nah. Bush was legitimately an incredibly awful president.
>>67975481
underrated post desu
>>67975704
so far, anon
>>67975542
Hoover was bush 1.0, they both even introduced slightly lesser new deals/bailouts before a lib camr in and dtoke the crefid
>>67975594
Obamacare was a major win for the insurance companies and if you believe that bank bailouts and corporate asset seizures are a good thing well that began with W, Obama just continued those policies
In fact the Obama presidency has essentially been a continuation of the Bush 41 presidency
>>67975660
Yeah and how did he do? I think the point still stands. He's toxic. The RNC doesn't want him within 100 miles of one of their events.
>>67975860
What? Do you deny Obama being a better president than JFK?
>>67975729
>acted like one
lol acting like a Christian is incompatible with carrying out your duties as a President, because it involves willing, desirous murder and other serious sins that you don't repent for but rather justify ex post facto with really retarded rationalizations
>>67975729
>russia invades georgia
>tells bush they have nukes ready
>bush blinks
yeah right faggot. bush is a cuckold who let dick cheney run his presidency. what kind of loser lets the vice president own him?
>>67974366
Still one of the worst Presidents of all time.Obama wasn't great but Bush was a plague on this country.
>>67975967
What has Obama really done other than continue with more warfare and more welfare?
>>67975751
You do realize that Kindergarten level crossing out has been debunked over and over again.
This is exactly why I worry about the mental fitness of Trumpfags. You motherfuckers want to return us to the good old days of 2009 when America was losing 700,000 jobs a month.
Face it. Democrats are better for the economy. That's just a fact.
Now I say it's because of policy. You may say it's just happenstance.
Either way, you have to vote for Democrats.
Unless of course you want Republicans to crash the economy again.
Lucky or not, the economy does better under Democrats
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy-does-better-under-democrats-2015-10-27
>faggots blaming W for 9/11,
literally the largest terrorist attack since pearl harbor and easily the most surprising. are u srs telling me no one thought the japs would try some chinky shit in wwii? 9/11 surprised everyone. dont even try to lie faggots
>faggots blaming w for the financial crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html
Bill Clinton caused the financial crisis moreso than W. Could W have prevented it had he been smart enough to know to reverse housing policy? Absolutely. Is W 100% at fault or really even majority fault? Absolutely not. Clinton's platform managed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to pressure banks to deal out unlimited sub-prime mortgages, causing the financial crisis. A combination of Clinton's policy, government regulatory agency laziness, wallstreet corporate greed, and then W's lack of insight. Get cucked Jews BTFO.
>>67974783
You mean Lil Bro?!
>>67976068
MOOOOOOOOOT?
>>67975967
That's retarded. JFK faced down the Russians, took on the fed, wanted to stop Vietnam before it started and ushered in the last great American age.
Obama made it fashionable to be a nigger.
Kill yourself anon.
>>67976028
It was only a matter of time before the Middle East boiled over
If it hadn't been Bush intervening it would've been someone else down the line
>>67975751
>Claims deficit is $900 billion
>Using 2012 economic numbers
Bro, 2015 deficit was LESS than $460 billion.
>>67976068
>State vote in $15 minwage
>Over 20k jobs are cut in the month following
Uhh liberals???
>>67976084
This. Don't blame Bush for Clinton's socialist bullshit. Banks were losing so much fucking money after being forced to sell loans to fucking low life welfare people (of all races) that it was only a matter of time before they collapse (due solely to government fuckery.)
>>67974366
The latter. George W. Bush was an absolute disaster. Not even Republicans have a positive opinion of him. In fact, they hate him so much that Jeb Bush ran much of his campaign without any reference to his last name (Jeb!) in order to obfuscate his ties to the former President.
>>67976146
Yeah, but why not let them make the fuck up?
>>67974670
>Obama
>better than JFK or Clinton
I'm not even a democrat and I still respect those people more than our nigger in chief.
Fuck Obama, he should have been impeached for misuse of executive orders.
Aside from shitting all over our fucking constitution, Obama has managed to somehow fuck up race relations and put us on the verge of a fucking race war.
Obama has contributed less to this country as president than William Henry Harrison, and he died after 31 days of office of phunomia.
He will be remembered as black Jimmy Carter, which is more than he deserves.
Hope and change my fucking asshole.
>>67976084
Bush/Chaney knew about 9/11, all planned for the Patriot act and invasion of privacy
>>67974366
Neocon puppet.
>>67976084
>largest terrorist attack since pearl harbor and easily the most surprising
Not when he was handed a credible report a month before the attacks that said Bin Laden was going to attack with airliners. Dubya pretty much just scoffed at it.
>>67975941
>In fact the Obama presidency has essentially been a continuation of the Bush 41 presidency
By doing the exact opposite like raising taxes on the rich where Bush cut them.
Like passing Obamacare where Bush did fuck all about healthcare.
Like regulating Wall Street (Dodd-Frank) where Bush deregulated.
Like getting the fuck out of wars in the Middle East whereas Bush started them, sent 5000 Americans to die in Iraq and squandered trillions.
Like Obama keeping America safe, whereas Bush had 9/11 happen on his watch.
Obama economy: 14.2 million private sector jobs.
Bush economy: 1 million jobs
They couldn't be more fucking different.
The Bush = Obama is just some tired old meme that retards believe.
That's why Obama has 50% approval rating right now and Bush had like 29% at this point.
>>67976068
Our greatest period of economic growth was when the govt stayed out of the marketplace
The boom/bust cycle is a direct result of govt interference in the marketplace because it creates false-signaling and masks the true value of goods and labor
>>67975751
>sources
>wikipedia
>yahoo
>saying things were better in 99, when clinton was in office
>bush unemployment rate compared to obama's while the recession effects reached industry and workers in 2009 and carried on
>recalling economic stats for bush because he was given a surplus and ended his term with a recession that hindered obama's average numbers
>more wikipedia
why are people like you so dumb and uninformed. even if you weren't, you could just common sense.
average numbers for bush are obviously going to be higher than obama because the recession happened in the last year of bush's final term and its effects carried on long after he was in office. I really don't know why you and everyone at fox news is so retarded and stupid and just trolly.
>>67976259
>Not even Republicans have a positive opinion of him
See:
>>67976084
>Get cucked Jews BTFO.
>>67976084
surprised everyone but this guy apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8
>>67976068
I'm skeptical about this because I was never certain if this was a result of the Congress being Republican, the executive branch being Democrat or a combination.
>>67976084
hey you little dumb faggot i knowyou're not familiar with reality but i'll try.
>iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and it was the biggest disaster in the history of our country
>.t donald trump
can you read these words you dumb shit eater?
>>67976273
Al Gore was meant to win the 2000 election. For over the last century, Democrats have been the ones to get the US involved in large scale wars,
>>67976056
Killed Osama Bin laden, healthcare for all, closing guantanamo, fixing insurance fraud, has killed more muslims than bush has (fact), strengthening America's image, stock market net increase of over 78%
I mean really?
>>67976141
You DO realize that JFK fucked up on Bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis, and Vietnam as well, right?
What good did he even do?
>>67976306
Calm down fatty. The constitution wasn't written by god and it is outdated, I'm also pretty sure that the founding fathers didn't plan for Republican obstructionism.
The entire facade is complete garbage, don't single out obongo.
>>67976349
>The Bush = Obama is just some tired old meme that retards believe.
Well, not exactly. Obama's foreign policy is basically Bush's. That's a good thing.
>>67974783
Bush appeared on NBC's The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on November 19, 2013, along with the former First Lady. When asked by Leno why he does not comment publicly about the Obama administration, Bush said, "I don't think it's good for the country to have a former president criticize his successor."[416] Despite this statement, on Saturday, April 25, 2015, Bush criticized President Barack Obama at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas. Bush criticized Obama's handling of Iran, specifically with respect to sanctions and a nuclear deal, saying: "You think the Middle East is chaotic now? Imagine what it looks like for our grandchildren. That's how Americans should view the deal." Bush also attacked Obama's withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011, calling it a "strategic blunder", borrowing a term that had been used by South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham.[417]
>>67976084
LOL I can only fucking imagine if 9/11 happened on Obama's watch if you fuckers would be this forgiving.
Bush was handed a memo titled
BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE THE UNITED STATES.
He fucked off and went fishing.
That's not a joke.
https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf
>>67976374
What am I supposed to see? Bill Clinton's policies were disastrous just like the Clinton family in general. That doesn't make George W. Bush a better President. He was still a gigantic piece of shit my friend. What's your brilliant justification of the Iraq War?
I love Georgie.
All of you fucking haters can leave me and Georgie alone.
You don't know him and everything great he's done for this nation.
How dare you little shits think you have any right to smash Georgie's heart.
He's greater, faster, smarter, and more loveable than any of you
LOWLIFE
ASSHAT
SACKS
OF
SHIT
Kill yourselves.
DO IT FAGGOTS
Clinton was a charismatic bad president. Bush was a bad president. Obama was mostly just a forgettable president.
>>67974366
Dubya was fucking terrible.
Worst President the United States ever had.
>>67976326
>a credible report a month before the attacks that said Bin Laden was going to attack with airliners.
So what do you do in that situation oh wise one? Foreseer of all events, the protector of prevention, what do you do there? Disallow all Muslims from boarding airlines? Shut down all commercial airlines? Disallow any non-Americans from flying in US airspace?
You did exactly what W did, the best you can. Truth is you don't have a better solution, because no one did. If W had known had to prevent it, he could have. FDR easily could have prevented Pearl Harbor by stationing ships further off the coast of Hawaii that they could have alerted Hawaiian bases of the attack - Civ5 level shit bruh.
ITT: younglings who don't know that the excessive military spending he had to go through was due to Clintons renegotiation with boeing locheed (which tripled deployment costs) and the conflict itself was due to Clinton fucking around in the middle east for his own eventual profit
Read a history book instead on clickb8 garbage for once /pol/
>>67976439
You forgot
>incited a race war
>>67974366
he gave money to africa and helped fund cures for AIDS.
FEMA isn't really his fault and neither is 9/11. Iraq was a mistake and he should be executed for sending America's best to go step on IED's because he wanted to get revenge for daddy
he was actually good for civil rights and liberties
patriot act was irony and he should be tried for that
the recession wasn't his fault
just because something bad happens on your watch doesn't mean that you're careless or stupid. W couldn't prevent every disaster and he had a really hard presidency.
i think buchanan and hoover were worse presidents
>>67976206
Job growth picks up in states that raised minimum wage
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/19/job-growth-picks-up-in-states-that-raised-minimum-wage.html
Christ you couldn't be more wrong.
And then when I point out that the labor participation rate is down because all you Trumptards are too retarded to join the labor force, you all bitch:
>MUH minimum wage jobs
>>67976440
>Australia making a play for the return of the shitposting crown from Canada
>>67976306
>hurr durr Clinton was a good president
can we stop this meme?
>>67976439
>closing guantanamo
It's still open, anon, right now.
>>67975941
Are you seriously comparing Bush's Iraq War to Obama's tiny Libyan incursion?
>What's $6 TRILLION
>What's $1 BILLION
>>67976606
Hmmm I haven't seen any lately. Care to point out where these "race wars" have been going on so I can check one out sometime?
>>67974366
He lied about the WMD's, because he was a puppet for Cheney. Dubya was among the worst in history
>>67976440
Obstructionism was the entire fucking point of Congress. Otherwise they would have made the President dictator for four years.
>>67976609
>FEMA isn't really his fault and neither is 9/1
Are you referring to Katrina? Because that incident was basically his fault since appointed someone with no experience at all in public administration to the position.
>>67976349
Healthcare wasn't broken, it was working just fine for 95% of the population but of course do-gooder nanny statists had to turn it upside
Wall Street does best when it is free from regulation, we became a world power because the govt didn't meddle in the marketplace
Fact is Obama pulled out of Iraq prematurely and left a mess there rather than admitting the truth that there was work left to be done regardless of whether or not the invasion was right in the first place
>>67976617
>that graph
fucking LOL they are just flat out lying now huh?
Every company posts jobs they have no intention of filling (HR justifying its existence), all this proves is they are posting more now.
>>67976617
>Job growth picks up in states that raised minimum wage
>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/19/job-growth-picks-up-in-states-that-raised-minimum-wage.html
>implying that the minimum wage growth is tiered and won't fully take affect for a half decade
>claiming positive results before initiation is <25% in affect.
>Christ you couldn't be more wrong.
>>67976774
That's what America's doing right now to the Presidency
>>67975941
Lol. No
>>67976688
Bush got congressional approval unlike the current tyrant
>>67976801
>Wall Street does best when it is free from regulation
Oh yeah, that little-to-none government oversight really does do wonders when those carefree and compassionate gentlemen on Wall Street do business the right way and aren't totally corrupt pieces of shit.
Oh wait.
Are you autistic or just extremely naive?
>>67976505
>What's your brilliant justification of the Iraq War?
I hate muslims
>>67976141
JFK fucked up at the Bay of Pigs, causing the Cuban Missile Crisis, where he got hoaxed into a terrible agreement with the Soviets in order to get their rusty old fake missiles removed from Cuba. He started Vietnam. He was about to lose he reelection campaign too. That was why he was on a publicity tour in Dallas, his VP's home state. His polling was dreadful. He'd only beaten Nixon by the fraudulent voting results in Chicago Illinois.
>>67976183
Bush's last deficit was $1.2 TRILLION. It was actually $1.4 TRILLION because he never even put the wars in the budget. But officially it was $1.2 TRILLION.
Here's the CBO report from January 9th 2009. Do you know who was President? GEORGE W. BUSH.
>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. Enactment of an
economic stimulus package would add to that deficit.
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
What are you some kind of fucking retard or something?
I thought everybody knows this.
You didn't know that Bush crashed the economy and left a $1.2 TRILLION DEFICIT when he left office?
This is pretty fucking common knowledge.
>>67976774
>appointed someone with no experience
>what is government in a nutshell
Bush should be hung for warcrimes.
>>67976774
as a president, you can't be responsible for natural disasters. there's a basic formula for dealing with them. you just call in the national guard and bring in food and supplies. it's one thing that happened wrong in his presidency and it sucked but it's not ALL bush's fault.
>>67975729
here's another (you)
>>67976774
Democrat governor and democrat mayor of New Orleans told Dubya to fuck off right after it happened. Then, after a month, cried that Dubya wouldn't help.
>>67976968
>genuine allegations of war-crimes
>new president waves his hand and says "nah we're not litigating my predecessor, let's move FORWARD! :^)"
>tfw 9/11 commission will never reopen
>>67976966
You make political allies with no useful skills diplomats and other boring stuff, not heads of important administrative agencies. Bush fucked up, just like when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the supreme court.
>>67976801
>Healthcare wasn't broken
wrong, it wasn't pulling in enough revenue, that's why those of us that have non minimum wage shit jobs had our premiums doubled and our deductibles tripled.
Fact: George W. Bush dindu nuffin and was a good boy
>>67976838
Minimum wage increases are 'supercharging' economy, says U.S. multimillionaire
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/minimum-wage-increases-are-supercharging-economy-says-u-s-multimillionaire-1.3124917
This is exactly why the economy goes to shit every time you right wing retards are in office. You still buy into trickle down.
You're too stupid to realize that when you put money in the hands of the workers, they spend that money quickly and it goes back into the economy.
When you give tax cuts to the rich, the money sits in offshore bank accounts.
>>67976439
>healthcare for all
Already had that
If you were too poor to purchase health insurance yourself you got Medicaid
>Guantanomo
Still open and still will be when Obama leaves office
>strengthening America's image
We appear weaker now than we have in a long time
>stock market increase
By printing trillions of dollars and then just giving it to banks, surely this can't have any ill effects
Obama has also managed to create an atmosphere of racial tension and anxiety in America because his sons were shot by police
>>67976258
FUCKING
>>67976774
>Are you referring to Katrina? Because that incident was basically his fault
Okay Kanye. We know, George Bush doesn't care about black people. Who does?
>>67976206
>slavery outlawed
>immediate industrial revolution
When you can't exploit people, you build better technologies. The $15 minimum wage will ensure that robots and computers do all the bullshit busy work and people do the meaningful shit.
But keep making a fuss about monthly job statistics, I guess that's just as helpful as actually expanding productivity through technology.
>>67974366
Worse than Bill, Senior and Regan. Iraq was the most significant fuck up since Vietnam and there's nothing to hold up as a more significant legacy.
Obama will get to bury most of his worst mistakes behind his race.
I literally have not a heard a single thing George W. Bush did wrong. Just that he was a dumb guy. No one ever says a thing he did wrong just memes around, "he was an awful president." Thanks for wasting my time to be honest.
>>67975751
a (you) for you my friend ^_^
>>67976702
Western universities.
This actually happened... but with Obama. Who would have known?
>>67976926
>He'd only beaten Nixon by the fraudulent voting results in Chicago Illinois.
Christ I love saving these to show how retarded right wingers are.
I absolutely love this.
You must be totally mentally handicapped.
1. Go look up the 1960 election
2. JFK won by 84 electoral college votes
3. Illinois was worth 27
4. DO SOME MATH
5. Admit you're a right wing retard.
>>67974949
9/11 happened on Bush's watch
that's all there is to it
>>67976068
>repubs introduce good policy
>produces great results, but by that time dems are in power
>take credit
This is literally the same as Obamafags claiming he got bin Laden while at the same time criticizing Bush's mideast policies. You can't have it both ways.
Maybe you should read a book while you're bleeding out in a hospital waiting room, you might learn something.
>>67976609
I don't think W. was the absolute worst either, but he's still one of the worst.
One strange accomplishment which he never gets credited for is conserving a gigantic amount of territory around Hawaii, creating one of the largest marine reserves on the planet.
That's one of the best things I can think that he did. Nearly everything else was a disaster.
>>67977118
And why it's objectively failed to get coverage for most of those it was supposed to get coverage for in the first place.
And man, the utter bullshit minimum wage workers are being forced to pay for is worthless and prevents them from using the Healthcare Exchanges, or getting subsidy. Companies didn't want to pay fines, so the market provided utter trash AFLAC-style plans with some preventitive checkups stapled on to meet the ACA requirements. But they charge real health insurance rates for them...
>>67974366
Worst president of all time, and his successor continues every single policy and every single timeline he laid out, from the Afghanistan withdrawal timeline to the bailouts. That arguably makes obongo worse.
>>67976926
> JFK deserves the blame for Vietnam because shit escalated soon after his term
> JFK is also responsible for Cuba going to shit under Eisenhower
>>67975707
It is true. It's amazing how you guys bounce back. But seriously though, stop electing Republicans and then your economy won't crash anymore.
Thanks,
- World
>>67976084
>Could W have prevented it had he been smart enough to know to reverse housing policy? Absolutely
Nigger, he and McCain literally went in front of Congress in like '04 to tell them that the housing market was gonna pop.
>>67975445
The world really does care about 911. Everyone freaked the fuck out, if you didn't notice.
>>67976801
>working for 95% of people
Healthcare costs have been increasing by double digits annually since the 90s. Not. Fucking. Sustainable.
>>67976652
Clinton was a decent president, Obama is literally shit who has done nothing but sit in office and and get a nobel peace prize for fucking up Israel to the point of almost 1963 again.
>>67976968
I didn't know your dick grows when you're a war criminal
>>67976349
Leave it to a leaf to tell us how great our shitty pyramid scheme healthcare scam is and totally ignore an international crisis Obama created by arming terrorists.
>>67976838
You forgot to mention the net long term benefits including higher wages across the board. Minimum wage increase pushes up all wages
>>67976361
Those averages aren't even real.
They're just made up.
Look at the one for GDP growth. It says Bush average GDP growth 4.5%. He didn't have one year above 4%. How could his average be 4.5%?
It's just made up because right wing retards will believe anything that reinforces their retarded world view.
>>67977333
The Constellation program for NASA he signed off on would have been cool, moon landing by 2017 then onwards to Mars, but it was canceled apart from the crew capsule.
>>67977499
>get a nobel peace prize for fucking up Israel to the point of almost 1963 again.
He should get a nobel peace prize for standing up to juden trickery.
>>67974366
Bush was the cancer that is killing America. We still havent recovered from this piece of shit. It will likely come out he was elected in a fraudulent election. Gas prices were high under his watch while the oil and gas companies experienced record profits. His piece of shit grandfather was a nazi collaborator. I hope he dies of rectal cancer from all the Saudi dick he took.
>>67977440
Underrated post.
Cuba and Vietnam were going to be huge problems for us no matter what the decisions were or who was president, so blaming them on any particular president is myopic.
>>67976617
>Minimum wage effect? January to June job losses for Seattle area restaurants (-1,300) largest since Great Recession
https://www.aei.org/publication/minimum-wage-effect-january-to-june-job-losses-for-seattle-area-restaurants-1300-largest-since-great-recession/
>Minimum wage effect? From Jan. to Sept. Seattle MSA restaurant jobs fell -700 vs. +5,800 food jobs in rest of state
https://www.aei.org/publication/minimum-wage-effect-from-jan-to-sept-seattle-msa-restaurant-jobs-fell-700-vs-5800-food-jobs-in-rest-of-state/
>The AEI study, worked up from Bureau of Labor Statistics’ monthly surveys, shows that, between April and December last year, Seattle saw the biggest employment drop in any nine-month period since 2009 — a full year into the Great Recession. The city unemployment rate rose a full percentage point.
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>67974366
He was nice to Latvia. Took us into NATO. In my book he's one of the best US presidents.
>>67977453
Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President.
BUSH DINDU NUFFIN
LOL.
It happened on their watch and they did fuck all.
>>67977472
Not everyone posting here is old enough to remember it. Shit definitely got real.
>>67977118
>our premiums doubled and our deductibles tripled
You can thank Obamacare for that because now it's illegal to scale health insurance rates past a certain amount. For example the elderly can pay no more than 3 times what young people do despite using way more than 3 times the amount of healthcare than young people
Your costs increased because you now have to shoulder the burden for old folks who practically live at the hospital
>>67977605
The minimum wage hasn't increased yet though...
>>67976934
>Bush crashed the economy
Not even remotely true. Bush and his policies had very little to do with the great recession
>>67977596
>It will likely come out he was elected in a fraudulent election.
We all already knew that. Just a minor point of information in an otherwise correct post.
>>67977333
he was pretty bad. It's embarrassing that he started two wars and they became our longest and costliest and complete failures and I can't believe our country didn't do one thing to stop it.
>>67977453
That's because he wasn't smart. Don't hate someone over their inabilities.
>>67977544
That's unproven, again you are sourcing a study that hasn't even happened yet. No where that raised the minimum wage to $15/hr is the minimum actually $15/hr it's not in full affect yet. Please stop being a fucking moron
>>67977085
>500 years ago the Muslims thought they were the hottest shit on the planet sieging innocent settlements with cannons
>fast forward to today
Feels good, man.
>>67976926
JFK was the best post 50's democrat, and he was immediately followed by the worst. Every dem since then has been shit, Clinton was toxically overrated and he reigned in the spoils from Reagan's tenure. If Bush Sr. wasn't so fucking shit he could have been a two termer.
>>67977650
If you had shown everyone on 9/12 how much the entire west is constantly kowtowing to mudslimes these days, they'd have weeped in sorrow for hours.
>>67977660
That's just the way insurance works. It's the same with your car insurance for the most part.
>>67977650
That was the greatest happening of our times. I was in 10th grade. My liberal SJW history teacher that day was upset when I told her it was Muslims and probably Al Qaeda. She then turned off the TV and we missed the epic towerfall.
>>67976553
pick up a history book... William Harrison, Ulysses Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, William Taft...list goes on and on
>>67977499
Clinton had ample opportunity to utterly destroy al Qaeda but he chose not to
He also greatly expanded the drug war
>>67977156
>Already had that
We just pay double what everyone else pays
>>67977682
Yes it has. It's a tiered increase. It increased to $11 last summer. It's $12 ($13) for chains at the beginning of this year.
Source: http://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/minimum-wage
>>67977823
Sure does
>barack who'ssane obama
>>67977287
Yes, I did fail to mention Texas. Most people focus on the legendary Daley Machine fraud in Chicago because it's the most easily proved. There were nearly a 1,000 indictments before cases were thrown out by another Daley crony.
There were actually challenges in 11 states, but when Eisenhower withdrew his support for Nixon challenging the results, he backed down rather than risk a constitutional crisis.
Sorry your US History is shit, I'll explain in more detail next time for the Canadians and other retards.
>>67977604
>Cuba and Vietnam were going to be huge problems for us no matter what the decisions were or who was president, so blaming them on any particular president is myopic
Same can be said about the Middle East
>>67977773
LBJ was the best president of the 20th century. Prove me wrong.
>Before 1965, 20 percent of the poor had never seen a doctor; by 1970 the figure had been cut to 8 percent.
>During the 1960s median black family income rose 53 percent; black employment in professional, technical, and clerical occupations doubled; and average black educational attainment increased by four years.
>one of the most fruitful legislative eras in U.S. history
>In all, Congress had implemented 226 of Johnson’s 252 legislative requests by the expiration of his term.
http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/great%20society.htm
>>67977168
If you're implying that it will increase automation and unemployment, you're correct. If you're implying that it will make jobs impossible to find, you're an idiot.
>>67977605
Raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. Seattle isn't the only place that has raised the minimum wage in this country you retard. It's happening all over.
Guaranteed when I look through this, I'll debunk it just like all your other retarded right wing talking points.
I educated a bunch of you morons earlier today who still think that the unemployment rate is 40% and that 93 million people are out of the labor force.
So many right wing retards actually think that millions upon millions of 60,70,80,90+ year olds are unemployed when they're out of the labor force because they're retired.
I love how much you retards love income inequality and love billionaires hoarding their money offshore while Mcdonalds and walmart workers are on starvation wages and qualify for food stamps.
Raising the minimum wage is good for the economy I've already proven it you just don't want to accept it so you think you found one little 6 month period that shows something.
Fucking retard.
>>67974366
George W. was a corporate globalist puppet who has been a drunk most of his life and isn't qualified to run a Walmart, let alone a country.
The people he surrounded himself with irreparably damaged this country through foreign wars, bad diplomacy, and blatant crony capitalism. The only bigger retards that George W. Bush were the people that voted for him.
>>67977723
Oh I agree. The only reason I don't rank him as the absolute worst is because the US has a long and fabled history of lousy leadership. There's been a lot of Presidents who lasted 4 years or less, did very little and nothing good or were rife with corruption scandals. W. was pretty rancid though. Maybe he's in the bottom 3 of shitters.
>>67977297
Hahaha made ZERO good points. Obviously you're too firm in your beliefs to be reasoned with but at least everyone else can see how retarded you are
>>67977793
I saw that shit live. I am rarely at a loss to understand what's happening, and I am not a stupid man.
[spoiler]it made me cry once i realized it, and it still does if I think about it too much[/spoiler]
The Bushes are arguably the worst republicans to hold the office.
Eisenhower, Reagan, Ford were all great presidents, and even morally reprehensible criminal Nixon had great policies (the southern shift, Vietnamization) and was better than any Bush.
When it comes to bad presidents besides Hoover or GW Bush, LBJ was fucking horrible, FDR broke all the rules and made socialism a reality, and actively pushes US entry into WW2, even ignoring credible threats to get us there.
And the worst, by far, to take the cake was the democrat Woodrow Wilson, crafting and signing the Income tax and federal reserve act during an empty congress.
>>67977780
No it's not
You're supposed to pay based upon supposed risk of having to use the insurance
That's why I pay ~$50/month for car insurance while people who habitually get into wrecks or drink and drive end up paying hundreds per month
>>67978150
That's not fair. He would have made a fine regional manager for Wal-Mart.
>>67977642
Fine, just ignore everything I said. He clearly told people shit was going to shit, but I guess you live in a fantasy land where a president always has perfect control over their own party.
The fact is that Housing crashed due to policies enacted by democrats. Were the repubs somewhat responsible for not being able to/trying to stop it? Yes. Is Bush partially responsible for not being more vocally critical and warning people of what was coming? Yes. But ultimately they didn't create the problem, and the only reason Clinton doesn't get blame for it is because hating Bush is at this point a meme and most people have no idea how or why the crash actually occurred.
>>67974963
Hold on there are you actually implying George W. Had any influence on what went on during his years in office.
Let's dispel the fiction that George W. Bush knew what he was doing. He had no fucking idea what he was doing but it resulted in the election of Barack Obama, a President who knew what he was doing, trying to make the US more like the rest of the world.
>>67977605
>>67978077
That didn't take me long.
You got duped by lies. Typical right wing retard.
Has Minimum Wage Knifed Seattle Restaurant Jobs? New Data Say No
http://www.investors.com/news/economy/has-minimum-wage-knifed-seattle-restaurant-jobs-new-data-say-no/
You right wingers are such retards. You always fall for lies.
>>67977440
>>67977604
JFK committed troops in Vietnam, making it a ground war. Something Eisenhower avoided and warned would be a grave mistake.
He backed the coup and assassination of one of our KEY ALLIES, Diem, in South Vietnam, leading to the vast problems that he then committed troops to try to unfuck.
He launched the Bay of Pigs invasion, but then refused to supply air support that he had promised fucking over US operatives and our allies again.
Krushchev thought he was a rube, so intended to take advantage of him. He parked rusted, obsolete, non-functional missiles on Cuba, and then play JFK like a fool during the "Cuban Missile Crisis".
>>67978077
Go to bed, Justin. It's late in Ottawa
>>67978369
Nice.
>>67977960
ummm nationally it has not increased in 7 years
>>67977724
What? Wages have been raised before. Economists understand the impacts of increasing the wage floor, this isn't some untried theory where economists are crossing their fingers and piss in into the wind. Raising wages can have a net benefit in times of massive private sector growth. This isn't unproven. It's a fact, you fucking idiot.
>>67977605
AHAHA YOU JUST GOT BTFO RIGHT WING RETARD
Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts
>Trying to tie short-term data to employment and economic trends is a dangerous game. Usually the time frame is too narrow, creating the danger of seeing patterns that don’t mean anything in a larger context. Sometimes when you wait longer, what seems to have been a disaster turns into something else.
One example from last summer was when the American Enterprise Institute released an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/01/08/seattle-food-jobs-soar-after-11-minimum-wage-starts/#36cba3734eb0
What an imbecile.
It's so easy to debunk your guys bullshit.
>>67974366
>Will history forgive him or will he go down as one of the worst US presidents of all time?
His presidency is both a combination of the domestic critical failure of the feckless mismanagement of Herbert Hoover as the country entered a Great Depression and the foreign policy failures of James Madison that saw the Capitol burned to the ground in 1812 along the Presidencies of LBJ/Nixon that saw thousands of flag draped coffins shipped home from Vietnam.
WHAT POSSIBLE POSITIVE ACHIEVEMENT can pointed to during Dubya's tenure?
>>67974366
SC voted Trump after he said Dubya was a mistake and SC is Bush country.
>>67978150
>George W. was a corporate globalist puppet
Unfortunately, I feel like this is true about just about all the establishment politicians. All of them want to fight multi-front wars and all of them are in the pockets of big MNCs. I don't trust Hillary Clinton any more than I trust W. Bush. Hell, the Bush's and Clinton's are BFFs because they're all just donor puppets.
Try to imagine President Al Gore on 9/11
I highly doubt the man who let himself be cucked out of an election would have defended the U.S.
He'd be crying about his fefes on national television then he'd schedule some gay ass solidarity march like European cucks do after their countries get attacked by Muslims.
Bush killed the fuckers, tortured the fuckers and lit the whole middle east on fire. Too bad he tried to do all this nation building bulllshit. Kill a bunch of them and get out, Israel calls it "trimming the lawn" and they do it every 5-7 years to the palis.
>>67978202
Why was Ford a great president? Do you know anything about the man? Most people think he was a pretty common man who was admirably holding the office with dignity until someone better came along. You're the first person I've heard say he was great.
Why was LBJ horrible? No president in history had more sway with Congress than he did, and he presided over massive economic improvements.
Why was pushing into WW2 a bad idea? We won and we're still reaping the benefits.
Woodrow Wilson is also well regarded. lol wtf man
>>67977605
Proving that minimum wage increase increases unemployment doesn't prove that minimum wage increase isn't a net benefit for the economy. Both can be true.
>>67974949
Was one of Bill Clinton's policies for Bush to go on vacation for the whole month of August 2001?
Was one of Bill Clinton's policies for Bush to take more vacation days than any other president ever?
Was one of Bill Clinton's policies for Bush to lie about watching the airplanes hit the towers in real time?
What was Bill doing in August of 1998? Cruise missile strikes on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Would have kept them up but Bill was getting criticized by Republicans for doing so.
Maybe if Bush had learned something from Bill about what to do in August
9/11 was retaliation for what Bush Senior did in the Gulf War and the aftermath.
Blame Bill for that? Sure, why not.
>>67978586
He killed and tortured all the wrong people though. Also why the fuck did he bring torture back? It did absolutely nothing.
>>67978077
if you're working part-time and aren't in school, then you can easily get a second job and start working close to 60 hrs a week which is more than livable. Just because someone doesn't want to work for a living doesn't mean we should raise minimum wage.
>>67978490
I'm not talking about nationally you stupid nigger.
Read the fucking quote chain before you start spouting off retarded garbage. Take you and your ummms back to facebook.
>>67974949
Thanks for admitting Republicans are incapable of keeping America safe.
>>67978387
What was he supposed to do? Let South Vietnam get run over?
>>67978206
You have to pay $50 a month despite being a perfect driver because the insurance company needs enough money to cover the bad drivers.
>>67978539
>Forbes
>Writer is literally a blogger
Canadians are worse than Australians.
>>67978077
>>67978382
>>67978539
>samefagging three times over
Are you this new? Welcome to 4chan you leafy shitposter. How hard was it to google your retort?
>>67977773
And? This doesn't make him not shit. It just makes him less shit.
>>67978041
Blacks were making massive gains in spite of people like LBJ, not because of him. He voted against every civil rights bill during his time in the Senate.
He only pushed the 1964 bill because Blacks voting were starting to outnumber white segragationalists and the Democrats were in danger of never winning another national election.
All that shit about his legislative accomplishments says is that, yes, his party had control of the house and senate and were immune to filibuster for years.
Why not credit his Immigration bill, responsible for flooding the US with 3rd world immigrants?
>>67975016
I don't understand the hate for Hoover.
He got dealt a shit hand and played the best he could with it. If FDR and Hoover switched places it could be argued that the Great Depression wouldn't have lasted as long.
>>67974366
>killed a bunch of sandniggers
>drowned a bunch of dindus
>cut taxes for noble, self-sacrificing job creators
greatest president ever?
>>67978806
I pay that in case I ever need it, that and the law states that I am required to
Insurance is a collective pool yes but it should be risk-based and Obamacare pretty much threw that out the window
>>67978740
He could have not ordered the assassination of the leader of South Vietnam making the situation far worse.
Maybe no one would have had to get involved beyond supplying aid and weapons to fight the North. But backed a coup instead and then realized we couldn't control the Generals who took over and started fucking things up.
I know this doesn't get taught in school, but Kennedy fucked up pretty much everything he touched.
>>67978675
yeah torture was pointless amirite?
I'm sure the guys that glorify death and believe that there are 72 virgins awaiting them, will be total susceptible to traditional interrogation techniques
kill em with kindness, Sanders for president
>>67978519
>Wages have been raised before.
They have not been raised this high before i a single instance. It's damn near 40%
>>67978932
Not true. Johnson helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as Senate Majority Leader.
>>67977297
>implying trickle down is great policy.
>implying tax cuts for rich is great policy
>implying deregulation is great policy
>implying the iraq war was great policy
Republicans promised me Obamcare would be a job killer.
We've had 72 straight months of job creation since it passed, the longest streak in American history
There is a clear pattern of the economy doing better under Democratic presidents. It's a fact.
>>67976068
>>67978077
Seattles min wage increase hasn't even gone into full effect yet idiot
>>67978711
But will you find a job that will allow you to boost your pay in comparison with your financial needs as you a) buy a house b)have children c)save for retirement?
If you're working 60 hrs a week @ minimum wage, you have no time to improve your situation through education/job training which is exactly what you need to be doing to to escape poverty.
Also, fuck the entire labor movement. Let's just go back to 12 hrs/day 6 days/week
>>67979182
Torture does not work. It does not yield accurate information, just information.
>>67975016
Hasn't anyone called him on why that budget deficit number is bogus yet?
It was the 2009 budget. Notable for being the last one ever passed and signed into law. It had the massive Obama stimulus bill added to it. That's what triggered the massive deficit. That money is still being respent every year Obama has been president too because he's never passed a budget. The deficit has worn away under the weight of inflation, and inevitable expansion of the economy increasing tax revenues in raw dollar amounts.
>>67978711
And then Trumptards complain that wages aren't going up...
The Jews have kiked you good.
>>67979262
all those minimum wage part time jobs....
>>67978077
>Raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy
Okay, I guess the cost of literally everything going up is... good for the poor?
>Guaranteed when I look through this, I'll debunk it just like all your other retarded right wing talking points.
>"I haven't even read it and I know I'm right!"
Nice "logic".
>40% and that 93 million people are out of the labor force.
The actual unemployment rate does not account for non-retired able people who have simply given up looking for a job, this is a matter of fact. I'm not saying the number is 40%, I don't and can't know what it is, but it's certainly higher than the recorded unemployment rate.
>I love how much you retards love income inequality
"Income inequality" is just different people earning different amounts of money. I wouldn't say I love it, I guess, but everyone earning the same amount for different jobs makes no sense.
>love billionaires hoarding their money offshore while Mcdonalds and walmart workers are on starvation wages and qualify for food stamps
This isn't technically a strawman or and ad hominem, but it is a random personal attack based on overexaggerated stereotypes, and it makes you sound like a retard.
>workers are on starvation wages and qualify for food stamps
The real issue is that adults with job experience are having to work the type of jobs intended for people who have never worked before or who have little experience. I've worked at mickey dee's, the job I was asked to do was in no way worth $15/hr. Anyone who claims it is can immediately be identified as an entitled cunt. The question is not what the employees need but what their labor is worth, mcdonalds and other businesses are not charities.
>Fucking retard
Are you coming on to me?
>>67978931
>How hard was it to google your retort?
He probably had to ask his parol officer which buttons to push, don't be an ass.
>>67978850
First of all minimum wage doesn't only affect restaurant jobs.
Second of all Seattle restaurant jobs are UP, not down.
Right wing lies got BTFO.
>>67974366
Literally WOAT.
>>67975789
what is it with you? youre like maple syrup australians
osama hussein bin barrack started isis by not listening to the generals about pulling out
you cuck
>>67975467
>Republicans can't be trusted with national security.
Funny you say that...after Vietnam, the Democrat party in the US has tried to stay away from any involvement or decision based on national security. The massive fuck up that was retreating out of Vietnam hurt the crap out of the Democrat party's reputation for keeping the country safe. It was also because of how they reacted to Vietnam that Republicans were able to gain popular support again. Ever since, Democrats and national security has been a touchy subject; they don't want a repeat of Vietnam (or even a hint of one) for fear of losing public support.
That being said, the Republicans haven't done the best over the past few years, but they haven't pulled a full blown Vietnam scale fuck up yet, so they have some face they can still save. Oh, and we never declared war, the presidents just keep doing what they wanna do with military troops (a precedent started by LBJ, which Congress tried to stop with that one bill saying the president has to get Congressional permission before invading someplace, but most presidents just ignore it and nobody ever brought it to the supreme court).
>>67979185
Overy the course of 5 years to 10 years if they ever get raised at all and most states already pay over the federal minimum wage. Still, all you're arguing is the margin of increase? That sounds like a pretty shaky foundation.
>>67978596
Ford should have never pardoned Nixon. His Presidency never recovered from that. He had a chance to escape the stain of his former-boss's corruption. HAD.
>>67979393
If that was true it wouldn't be used
>>67979626
Ford was complete garbage
Bringing Nixon to trial wouldn't have saved his sorry ass
>>67979215
That's an incredible fucking lie. LBJ sent the bill to the Judiciary committee where it's enforcement provisions were gutted. Anyone found guilty of preventing a black person from voting would have nothing done to them whatsoever.
Nixon was the hero on that one. He was the first person to put forward the opinion, as President of the Senate, that a filibuster could be stopped by a simple majority vote to change the rules of the Senate (The Nuclear Option waved about to this days). That meant it was going to get a vote, and Johnson had it gutted to prevent it starting a intra-Democrat war over the bill.
>>67979459
>Okay, I guess the cost of literally everything going up is... good for the poor?
Omfg every fucking debunked retarded right wing talking point.
Are you a fucking bot?
There's no way you're an actual human being with a brain.
Are you so fucking stupid that you think labor cost is 100% the cost of a product?
A $10.10 Minimum Wage Would Make A DVD At Walmart Cost One Cent More
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/02/21/3317901/walmart-minimum-wage-prices/
>inb4 MUH thinkprogress
>he actual unemployment rate does not account for non-retired able people who have simply given up looking for a job
HERE WE GO.
NEXT DEBUNKED RIGHT WING RETARD TALKING POINT,
The U3 rate doesn't BUT the U4 rate DOES include all discouraged workers. It's 5.3%.
This isn't rocket science retard.
Every single rate of unemployment and underemployment has PLUMMETED under President Obama.
There are a record high 5.6 MILLION job openings right now.
America has near record 5.6 million job openings
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/news/economy/america-5-6-million-record-job-openings/
The ONLY reason why the labor participation rate is down is because too many Trumptards and /pol/fags are employable and too retarded to join the labor force.
>>67979626
Ford shouldn't have pardoned Nixon because bringing Nixon to trail would have proven how laughably thin and convoluted his link to Watergate really was.
>>67979393
yes, and?
no one relies on information from torture alone that's the real Hollywood bullshit not this >torture isn't effective
meme
also we'd use torture to soften them up for traditional questioning. Hand a guy over to the Egyptians, they'll tear his toenails out make him sing, take him back into CIA custody and treat him decently, you have a new friend.
>>67974366
Started with the largest surplus ever in USA budget history.
Ended with the largest deficit ever in USA budget history.
Started two useless wars run by complete incompetents.
The continual lies about WMD. Not a week went by where he did not try to pawn off chemicals in barrels, or warehouses of USA arms, or aluminum cylinders as WMDs or proof of them.
The US capturing and torturing random civilians from Iraq has to be the most insane idiotic things I could imagine. It doesn't even make any sense. Why were we doing that? Not even the enemy soldiers. It was done to civilians.
His purposely confusing the American people with WMDs and Al-Queda in Iraq. It goes beyond incompetence.
If I ever met him in person I am not sure I could contain my rage.
>>67979459
>Okay, I guess the cost of literally everything going up is... good for the poor?
Implying that's the only thing that will happen. Yes, minimum wage increase will increase inflation but not equally, meaning a burger won't cost $2 more if you raise wages $2. This is such an elementary concept that the fact that this is where you started your argument means that you have no idea what you're talking about.
50% of people on minimum wage are not teenagers. This whole "those jobs were meant for kids" thing means fuck all when the people who need jobs are not teenagers. It's a stupid argument that shifts the problem without actually addressing it. People need a liveable wage. Minimum wage isn't nearly liveable.
>>67979615
I live in PacNW, so you really don't need to try to think you know more about minimum wage. Oregon just raised it on a tiered system from ~$9.75 to a statewide system, rural counties would be $12.50, populous counties would be ~$13.50 and Portland Metro would be ~$14.75 by the year 20-21. 20 fucking 21.
Seattle raised their minimum wage to $15/hr. They currently are working their way up, only requiring ~$12/hr this year
So this bullshit "hurrdurr the minniemum wage works" biased rhetoric is totally fucking false because FOR THE TENTH TIME - it has not even taken full affect yet.
So 1) you're arguing something that has not even happened yet - great job. Guess what, you're wrong that in 2020 the SF Giants won't win the world series - see how fucking stupid that argument is?
And 2) % increase has a fuckton to do with it. You saying "b-b-b-ut shaky foundations" is beyond idiotic. You know nothing about how business operations work. What's the largest cost to a company? Employee wages. By raising that cost 55% - FIFTY FIVE PERCENT. $14.75 - $9.50 = $5.25 / $9.50 = 55% you're increasing their most expensive cost by 55% - killing businesses left and right
eat shit liberal cuck. BTFO. Maybe when you finally pass the 10th grade you take an economics course.
Post-WWII Rankings from best to worst:
Eisenhower
JFK
Clinton
Reagan
LBJ
Obama
Bush Sr.
Carter
Nixon
Ford
Dubya
>>67979976
I'll take explain the Clinton surplus and why the actual total debt increased every single year Clinton was President despite his "surplus".
Otherwise, you don't have a thought in your head other than those put there by CNN.
>>67979586
>haven't pulled a full blown Vietnam scale fuck up yet
That remains to be seen with the quagmire that is Iraq
>>67976730
They're blocking everything for the sake of blocking. Look at the current supreme court nomination fuckface.
>>67980136
Watch Oliver Stone's Nixon
also LBJ killed JFK
>>67974366
definitely one of the worst, but still better than Obama
>>67980136
> Clinton
> Housing Crisis
Haha ok
>>67979747
>The U3 rate doesn't BUT the U4 rate DOES include all discouraged workers. It's 5.3%.
But the U4 doesn't include people working "temporary" part-time shit because they can't find a job in their field. The U6 is what you should be looking at. Again, number as high as 40% are fairly baseless, but 5.3 is misleading.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/louisefron/2014/08/20/tackling-the-real-unemployment-rate-12-6/#3c418c841e12
>>67980168
Iraq is pretty cut and dry compared to the 'stan, I'd say Afghanistan is more comparable a quagmire to Vietnam
Fuck I hate being in Afghanistan too but we really do need to be there desu senpai
>>67980136
There was more desegregation of schools during Nixon's first term than in any other historical period before or since. He ended the Vietnam War honorably, and rapidly. He ended the non-stop riots and civil disrest in and around college campuses. Created the first Affirmative Action program, one thankfully limited to companies doing business with the federal government who'd refused to employ blacks for years.
I know you're a deluded little dupe, but you really need to move LBJ down the list.
>>67974366
People liked Bush as a person. I think most sensible people realized that Cheney (and his money) was pulling the strings. Bush didn't really ruin anything on his own, but he didn't do a whole lot of positives either. Obama ruined our international standing by pandering to the feelocrats at home and abroad. If nothing else, Bush had people playing along.
>>67980181
The current nominee would give SCOTUS the ability to overturn Heller
That alone is reason to block his nomination
The 2nd Amendment has been infringed more than enough already
>>67980240
LBJ did kill JFK
but he was a better president anyway so he did the right thing
>>67980362
Until something is done about Pakistan then Afghanistan will always be a threat
>>67980181
I've been rather taken with the constantly referring to it as the "Biden Rule".
Democrats have blocked the nomination of Judges for years to protect Roe. Why shouldn't we make sure they can't overturn Heller until it can be safely ruled Stare Decisis.
>>67974366
Worst Faggot, his brother couldnt even shake the name with millions of other people's money behind him
>>67974366
>I'm taking Barny and I'm going home. Fuck you.
I remember when I was about 9, I wrote to the white house right before 9/11 asking stupid 9 year old shit and they gave me a generic response with pictures and the like.
I had them in my room for like 3 years until I realized that I had the family of a grown man in my room and knew the names of all their dogs.
>>67980407
LBJ is responsible for the current state of the black community in this country
Prior to the Civil Rights Act, black communities were doing just fine following Booker T Washington's "education, entrepreneurship, and investment" ideology
Pic related is a great testimony to how Democrats starting with LBJ have really fucked over black people
Yes they were facing discrimination and Jim Crowe but they had their own centers of commerce and black fathers would provide for wife and children
