I've seen the idea, or at least various similar ideas, floating around online for a while now but of course as of yet no one has tried to put anything into practice
I do wonder though, in theory how possible is the idea of starting some free-state kind of thing somewhere in southern Africa?
pic unrelated just an easy way to get your attention
>>67935559
>free-state kind of thing somewhere in southern Africa?
What do you mean by free state?
>>67935832
no taxation of citizens
no alliances with other countries/ smaller states ever, but trade with any who want it
the term I used may not have been the right one as it seems to have multiple definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_state_(government)
but basically as close to what true hard libertarians want in the US
>>67936967
>no taxation of citizens
Never gonna happen.
>>67937324
why not?
I can understand why you'd think that may be unsustainable in the long term, although I don't necessarily agree, but surely in the beginning there would be plenty of people willing to give it a go
>>67937574
So you know it will be a failure but you want to lure as many people in as possible to have an epic fail?
>>67937727
>although I don't necessarily agree
>>67937574
So you want to illegal seize a piece of a sovereign country to make your own country and then not tax your citizens? How do you intend on sustaining an army to keep your new paradise from being returned to the country you stole it from?
>>67938117
well at first the only citizens would be people who arrived, which would mostly be armed and physically fit men expecting or at least willing to defend themselves. After long enough when we have a larger population people will be expected to defend themselves, again they will likely organise into militias. As for illegally seizing land, if a country with an unelected leader was chosen then the people will not see us as much worse than their current leader. If the standards of living are bad, then some may even wish to accept our system for their whole country
>>67938976
That's a dumb take over plan.
Here's what you should do - start a secret society with these goals. Get a reasonable base of people. Pick a secluded and largely uninhabited part of africa. Declare your independence.
>>67939403
I don't really have any kind of a plan, this is more of a thought experiment if anything. I find the idea interesting. Of course you'd need a few hundred people to be on board before ever starting something like it, otherwise the locals would be able to remove or kill you immediately
>>67935559
Arid land and niggers everywhere. What could go wrong?
>>67939850
> more of a thought experiment if anything. I find the idea interesting.
I have also dabbled in the idea.
There was a millionaire libertarian who went to an atoll off of tonga and covered it with sand thereby making an artificial island. He declared it the Republic of Minerva. Unfortunately the King of Tonga claimed that it was his, despite being in international waters, and claimed it. Nobody fought for it and it has since returned to being a shitty atoll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_Reefs#Republic_of_Minerva
>>67939994
Assuming you'd have to get there by boat, you'd probably begin to settle only a few miles in land
Which means you'd have an unlimited source of water, just boil it to remove disease and separate the salt
>>67940469
I'd never heard about this, it's fascinating
Thanks for pointing it out
>>67941057
>Thanks for pointing it out
Yeah, definitely look into micronation projects.
But the point is you need a way of defense.
>>67939994
>>67941057
Any coastal land within the tropics can be made into an arable and white man friendly environment through a little ecology. In Eritrea, the niggers have been aided by westerners in the development of mangrove/salt grass farms in which raising livestock is sustainable, as well as turning uninhabitable desert into viable land.
>>67935559
Niggers gonna nig
>>67941859
Not only do you have to build a rudimentary infrastructure, you need an additional giant project to make the area functional on a basic level. Oh, and you need to concurrently work out a social order that has never existed anywhere and fight off the feral natives. Good luck with that.
>>67942433
>you need to concurrently work out a social order that has never existed anywhere
it will work itself out, that's sort of the point
>>67942745
The government needs money though. So either you monopolize something or you charge taxes.
Saudi Arabia has no taxes because the government owns the oil, for example.
>>67935559
Who is that Dick Juice Masseuse?
>>67943097
I've always thought that by cutting down on all non-essential departments, income tax could be entirely removed.
If the newly formed nation were to consist of just a military and police force, then they could totally get enough funding from sales tax. Income tax could be abolished, easy.
>>67943754
Yeah, you could abolish many forms of taxes and still have enough to get by.
But you'll need some form. You can't be 100% tax free.
>>67943920
government is a service provider, so why can't you pay for government services like you would private ones?
>>67943389
Kagney Linn Karter
>>67944222
That's called taxes.
>>67943920
Ah, I just though the OP was referring to income tax when he mentioned "no tax". As a libertarian, I object to the concept of taxes, but only income tax. Sales tax is fine with me, as you're consenting to both the sale and the tax of that sale by the government. You have a choice.
A society completely free of taxation of all kinds might be possible, but extremely unlikely.
>>67944367
no, because you pay only for yourself
you're not adding to a communal fund
>>67943389
Shes a coal burner too
>>67944374
Nothing wrong with taxes so long as they're reasonable.
Like all the migrants flooding europe and now europeans have to pay for it. Not reasonable.
>>67944674
Wew. You know taxes help a lot, right? The US government subsidizing the microchip is responsible for all of us having computers.
>>67944816
I'm willing to accept taxation in reality, but I'm just saying how a government could potentially still exist without taxation
stop moving the goalposts, I answered your question
>>67945119
>stop moving the goalposts, I answered your question
You did. We're done with that.
The conversation has now changed to why you'd want it.
Also did you look up micronations? Did you see Molossia?
>>67945414
I'm looking at the Wikipedia article now, it's amusing (especially the part about declaring war on east Germany), but seems like the actions of one eccentric man rather than an actual potential state
>>67946296
Well what can he do? He has land but not citizens.
I say you and I take over Marie Byrd's Land Antarctica. Only spot on the planet not claimed.
>>67946296
>>67946483
Sorry not the only spot unclaimed. There's also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil
But there's people living there.
Then again, we could find a secluded spot.
>>67935559
This state will be hit by UN sanctions and then American and Russians will bomb it into stone age.
>>67946483
I'm sure if he "opened his borders" he could build a sizeable citizenry, maybe a couple hundred people, although I doubt they could all fit in his house
but I'm talking about people who'd be willing to if the space existed
>>67946635
If you own land then why not just do what Baugh is doing, but be willing to defend it
see I'm willing to bet he still completely abides by US law, whereas in a libertarian state many things that are illegal in most western countries wouldn't be
>>67935559
Lads just take over the Pitcairn Islands. Less than 50 sterile people there and the island already has infrastructure and is totally habitable, not to mention the island is under the protection of the United Kingdom so defense wouldn't be an issue. The UK also sends the island fuckloads of money which we could use to further develop ourselves.
If just 51 /pol/acks migrated we would have a legislative majority and the locals will die on their own very soon.
There's also free hanging fruit all over the island more than sufficient to feed 50 people. NEET paradise
>>67946879
Nah, there have been many micronations.
They're usually just ignored.
>>67947275
>I'm talking about people who'd be willing to if the space existed
He owns over an acre and technically it's his. He could build a very nice country.
>I'm willing to bet he still completely abides by US law
He absolutely does. Who knows what would happen if he started doing things in violation.
It would either end with an invasion or like your Principality of Sealand.
>>67947561
How stringent are the immigration rules?
>>67935559
As soon as you do that all the kaffers from the whole continent will want to come and work there. Cheap labour? Let them work there and enjoy the awesomeness while providing us with cheap labour right?
Then you get apartheid. Coz thats all it was.
>>67947781
From what I can tell, they're literally begging people to come. You have to have money tho and I don't remember the exact amount but it was less than 100,000 New Zealand dollars so it's probably only like 200 US dollars
>>67948015
>100,000 New Zealand
Is 68,000$USD.
Besides, it's owned by Britain.
>>67947781
doesn't seem like it would be very difficult to move there, they seem to really want more people
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html
>>67947561
hmm but who will help construct the central fortress and council chamber? What about the fortfied wall around the island except for the port? (like normandy only better) And where will we get our internet?
>>67947588
>They're usually just ignored
White country in Africa sure will not be ignored. It will be marked as fascist-terrorist and removed from the face of the Earth. State without racial segregation would be second Somali.
>>67948280
you can get an internet connection there apparently
>>67948015
>>67948226
Oh fugg, I'm reading up on it and this thread aside I might want to move to Pitcairn. It looks fucking beautiful.
>>67948280
>>67948476
Apparently.
>All houses on island are currently connected to the Internet and wi-fi is possible. Owing to limitations of the system there is a tiered charging structure to discourage large up/downloads. The Government of Pitcairn Island ensures maintenance of the system.
http://www.immigration.pn/FAQ.php
>>67948464
Nah. Not if you take over Bir Tawil.
>>67947561
Thinking about this, if enough of us moved there and to become a majority we wouldn't even need to really declare ourselves as separate. The uk government isn't going to go to the effort of stopping us if we just started acting as an independent state, they'd probably not even stop the funding
>>67949747
Each immigrant must be approved and needs a personal wealth of 20000USD.
But again, this looks like a beautiful island. How in the world does it only have 50 inhabitants?
>>67948171
Thanks for repeating literally exactly what I said in my post bro.
>>67950184
Anytime, famiglia.
>>67949747
The existing club of nations does not allow new members to join without their permission. You'd be quickly murdered and it made to look like an accident. You are incredibly naive if you think the nations of the world will allow you to create your own nation. The UK absolutely doesn't want to set a precedent that anyone can take over one of their territories and declare it independent unilaterally. If you can raise a military that can defeat the British, then you can have your sovereignty. Otherwise, your best bet is to buy Sealand for make believe independence.
>>67950109
it was settled by the Bounty mutineers and their Polynesian wives back in the early 1800's, and they're basically divided into 3 clans, where you're not allowed to marry into your own clan
they also had/have an issue with older men having sex with girls younger than 16, which as a British Overseas Territory is illegal. at one point, the entire adult male population (all 13 of them) was under arrest
>>67936967
>no taxation of citizens
and how will you pay for the government?
>>67950653
already answered this, read the whole thread
>>67950417
>you'd be murdered
you're assuming I wish to have any kind of leading position, I'm just putting forth ideas for how something like this could potentially work not trying to gather a following and actually do it
simmer down
>>67950529
I read about the rapes. Extremely messed up but it has been dealt with.
Is there anything else wrong with the islands?
>>67950529
>>67950109
just looked it up, got some things wrong
there's 4 main families, not three, and it was 1 third of the adult male population
Volkstaad when?
>>67951066
So are the natives hostile to new immigrants?
>>67948226
>most of the population descends from the original mutineers of 1789
Wow, imagine the inbreeding
Big problem most people ignore with islands is corrosion - it's intense
>>67950942
nah, its just a group of small islands with a small population thats been getting even smaller. if i was born there, they'd be nothing for me, except getting married to one of the 5 girls on the islands that were roughly my age
>>67951468
I wanna build a tiny home on it.
Tiny houses are awesome.
>>67951224
if they're actively advertising for new immigrants, probably not
having said that, children under 16 have to be approved to go there and the foreign office doesnt let their staff take their children, so i imagine that puts some people off
>>67951667
I think that's more because they're scared of dying off, or want to increase genetic diversity on the islands
I get a creepy wicker man vibe from what I'm hearing about it
OP's girl cucked a white guy to shane diesel tho
>>67951600
that'll cost you NZ$140,000 or $95, 293 dollars
having said that, if people got the money together, they could take over the place. only 2 children have been born on the island since the early 90's. you'd have to deal with the no job or benefits, no guaranteed residency and the required public service before that though
>>67936967
>no taxation of citizens
Good luck accomplishing anything at all with no money
>>67952278
thats pretty much it: they reckon by 2045, they'll only be 3 working age people on the island supporting the rest of the population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands#Potential_extinction
>>67952712
I can mine bitcoins.
And where are you getting that price from? Not that I don't believe, rather that I want to read more.
>>67953046
http://www.young.pn/immigrationqa.html
http://www.immigration.pn/FAQ.php
pulled the links off of the wikipedia page
>>67952320
Pretty much all famous pornstars have done cuck videos by now
>>67935559
I need cold
>>67953418
Once you go black we don't want you back.
>>67953376
So that price is based on things that they suggest but don't require. I could make my house smaller and with less features for a cheaper price.
I like to watch this bitch being defiled by bbc
>>67953677
yeah, i guess so
on the other hand though, they can kick you out after 2 years, so it might be a good idea to start off on their good side by employing a few of the locals
>>67954357
Yes and invite the over for an american style barbecue.
>>67954163
fuck off nigger, I didn't make this thread to talk about your degenerate cuck fantasies
>>67954499
that as well
another thing you might like is that seem to have lax gun laws: back in 2004 they had 20 guns between 50ish people
you'd need a country where we could go and become the majority so we can kick out the locals
>>67956235
yeah no, just go to the chilean south
>>67954501
Must be why you put your favorite ir whores on your OP
>>67954163
same. Kagney is soooo white, it's sooooo good seeing her get railed by a BBC
>>67956416
I just found that picture on google images senpai
>>67956473
fuck off
Working on something similar, you faggots have the wrong idea.
http://fishbowl.boards.net/
>>67956967
>have the wrong idea.
What's the right idea, then?
>>67956734
I love watching beautiful white women get brutalized by literal animals. How can white bois even compete
>>67957174
As well as white men brutalizing niggers
>>67956967
care to elaborate
>>67957174
grow up
>>67957323
>grow up
no
>>67957075
>>67957323
Flint Island, Kiribati, I'm going there, soon
>>67958401
Beautiful country. Entirely inhabited, sovereign, and supported defensively by australia however.
>>67958401
You're going there to settle?
Have you been before?
How are you getting there?
How many people will be with you?
>>67958645
Flint is uninhabited
>>67959150
yes
no
sailboat
4-5
be aware this is several years down the line, I need to gather the skills and resources to pull this off. I also need a port of call in the Pacific
>>67960971
>Flint is uninhabited
Ah. You're right. It's still claimed and owned though.
>>67950417
Yeah because the British sure did raise a yuge army to declare war on any of their dozens of colonies that declared independence in the 20th century
oh wait no they literally never did once
>>67961405
>oh wait no they literally never did once
Because your king was a cuck.
>>67960971
if you pull this off would you encourage more people to join you?
what are your plans for food, medical needs, growing your population etc?
will you have any kind of government at all or have you not planned for that?
will you have a constitution?
Sorry for so many questions but this is really interesting to me
>>67935559
Looks a bad idea
>>67961405
>>67961617
>your
their*
>>67960971
Kiribati is one of the poorest countries in the world and is struggling with rising sea levels on it's atolls, they'd benefit from trade with us.
People have lived in the southern line islands without permission in the past and have gotten away with it. We have an army of /pol/acks on our side, they have very few armed police. There's nothing they can do without crying to Australia- which they won't do because the island isn't worth that much to them.
>>67961628
read up on the forums, it's all there
http://fishbowl.boards.net/
>>67961975
>http://fishbowl.boards.net/
What is this obscure website that you are pushing?
>>67961185
>>67961975
whoops
>>67962180
It's where we discuss the plan.
>>67961653
They literally have the exact same monarch to this day and there's no reason to assume she's going to stop being a cuck over a small island that's a net loss to the United Kingdom.
>>67961975
have you tried to contact Michael Oliver, the guy who started the phoenix foundation?
He apparently tried to fund several things like this including the republic of Minerva that was mentioned earlier
>>67962576
Lizzy's father. He supported decolonization.
She just carried it through.
>>67962673
perhaps when I have something to show for this
>>67962769
Try again buddy. Decolonization began in earnest in the 1960s.
>>67963263
>George VI's reign saw the acceleration of the dissolution of the British Empire. The Statute of Westminster 1931 had already acknowledged the evolution of the Dominions into separate sovereign states. The process of transformation from an empire to a voluntary association of independent states, known as the Commonwealth, gathered pace after the Second World War.[84] During the ministry of Clement Attlee, British India became the two independent dominions of India and Pakistan in 1947.[85] George relinquished the title of Emperor of India, and became King of India and King of Pakistan instead. In 1950 he ceased to be King of India when it became a republic within the Commonwealth of Nations, but he remained King of Pakistan until his death and India recognised his new title of Head of the Commonwealth. Other countries left the Commonwealth, such as Burma in January 1948, Palestine (divided between Israel and the Arab states) in May 1948 and the Republic of Ireland in 1949.[86]
Enjoy being completely irrelevant, or instantly suppressed.
>>67963543
Nice ctrl v, but it doesn't remotely conflict with what I said.
There's literally zero reason to argue with me when you already said Elizabeth II continued decolonization.
>>67963836
Irrelevant but free.
>>67936967
>no alliances with other countries/ smaller states ever, but trade with any who want it
hmmmmmmmmmmm
