>>67897740
>the
WE
>>67897740
ARE U KIDDING ME?
>>67897740
Free college raises the floor but lowers the ceiling. There's a reason many of the best colleges in the world are American.
Additionally, there is a lot of discussion about how college degrees have been approaching becoming the new high school diploma, where if you don't want to do unskilled labor you need one. Free college will greatly hasten that phenomenon.
>>67897740
Not everyone should go to college. Want to go to college? Go. I don't care. You can pay for it.
Same reason it doesn't work in Europe. People just enroll in women's studies, etc and freeload enjoying student apartments, student welfare into their 30's.
During few last years there has been many cuts and these leaches protest every week about them. First the maximum amount of student welfare months were cut so instead of being a student for 20 years by switching from women's studies to ebonics and vice versa you can only study once as there is maximum amount of student welfare months, also they track your studies and freeze the student welfare if your not making progress.
The education itself is still free for finns, foreigners have to pay from 2016 onwards. But are scared to go to university if they have to pay rent and living by working a side job or with their savings. Must be kinda funny for US people to think the education is free but people don't apply because they have no money to rent or food if they study without sidejob.
Germany is still wild west with "being a student for life and letting government upkeep you" as many german exchange students just straight up say they switch their studies every few years and plan on never graduating.
Poor people don't need that much education and if they are truly exceptional and poor they will get a scholarship
>>67897740
Because we're not a fucking commie country and our teachers won't work for low income housing and pbj sammiches.
>>67897740
but Im already going to community college for free
Because a society where 95% of the population is incentivized to seek college level employment isn't sustainable.
You can't all be lawyers.
>>67898297
Our goverment has begun to close down some of the studies and firing teachers where the job-security after graduation is very bad.
>>67897740
The only people who need the government to pay for 2 years of community college are the kinds of people who will gain absolutely nothing from it. eg fucking retards
It's a money sink that will show absolutely no benefit whatsoever.
>>67897740
Shifting the cost burden from the student to the state doesn't make the service "free".
I would honestly be in favor of having full state scholarships for public universities under the conditions that the people taking those funds are doing the following:
1. Getting a STEM degree
2. If they are getting a degree in the humanities, they have to couple that with practical trade skills training/certification.
3. Standardized testing to ensure that people receiving these BA/BS degrees are actually being educated and not just partying for 4 years, graduating with a 2.6 in "Business Administration" and still getting their degree.
Most of these Bernie-fags, however, think that "free college" means going to an Ivy League school on the tax payer dime, and they are majorly deceived.
I paid for my own college and flunked out. How pissed would you be if it was your money?
>>67897740
Why shouldn't X be free?
>>67897740
For the same reason most "free" things dont work outside european countries
Because there are a lot more people, also, the "free" healthcare in englands pretty shit anyway, so if you times the population by 5, then you also would have to times how shit it is by 5
>>67897740
>Why doesn't free shit work?
>>67898297
Same thing here. It's pretty pathetic to see people protesting the prices rising, people who go on to pick and choose what classes to pass, stretching out their education as long as possible, while the only thing growing is their beer gut and the size of their lung tumor due to excessive weed smoking.
Seriously, the fees wouldn't have to get higher if your lazy ass hadn't been faltering in 3 different degrees and stayed an extra 4 years than necessary to fullfill your education.
>>67897740
1. People go to college with the expectation that people will see it as capital to make a living for themselves. But people go there to get MRS degrees, or just get drunk/high, fuck each other, and learn shit that won't get them jobs or start one after they're done spending money.
2. The funding of these "free" things come from tax payers: decent, non-degenerate folks pay their taxes, but what about their jobless children who get their check from the government? Will they have children, or just fuck consequence-free, or cut off their dicks and call themselves transgendered? Or be giant faggots who adopt children from Africa?
3. Let's say everyone ships in people from Mexico to make up for the demographic death of the American tax base, will these uneducated people from Mexico pay their taxes to a government they feel no loyalty to, or just settle for letting their host country turn into the shithole they left behind? Do they need the necessity of college at all, if they can run their little restaurants, work as farmhands, day laborers, and other unskilled work that "No Americans Want To Do."?
4. What reason do America-haters have for maintaining a system they detest, once they see problems with it? Liberals who push for "free gollege" are the same ones who keep finding something to bitch about. Why would Americans agree to such people?
>>67897740
I don't want my tax dollars to go to some layabout SJW who would just study something stupid like sociology or gender studies.
I wouldn't be as adamantly opposed to it if there were some government subsidy to major in something that will get you a job.
Actually I think the US would benefit from it if it was only applied to scientific / technological degrees.
Problem is feminazis and SJWs will chimp out and claim liberal arts is just as vital to society as nuclear engineering.
>>67898297
>>67898967
>>67899260
Fuck. Does this seriously happen? And students get subsidized housing?
>>67897740
how about instead of forcing Americans to pay for more shit
the people who want college free all chip in money for a funding for people who want it free? I'm sure we will get enough donations
>>67897740
Because entitlement to results subverts any benefit public education would have, and self-education still reigns.
>>67899454
America cannot into math and sciences.
It's all about feelings now, which is why the college-age group is so addicted to emotionally-manipulative pastimes like music, movies, social media, etc.
It's more pleasant, and easier than having to put numbers together for some purpose that doesn't give the warm, fuzzy feels.
I'm a manager at a grocery store, and I only keep that job for the benefits. My real job is selling weed to people via dispensaries. I'm a high school dropout who constantly hires/fires college graduates. Absolute trash, the lot of them.
Because at an average of 50,000 in debt for 4 years of college and 19,000,000 new college student each year add up to 950,000,000,000 in total debt. We can't afford a trillion+ dollars each year for college.
>Americans are dumb
where did this epic maymay come from?
wouldnt free collegue work if u had to past rigorous tests to get in?
here in argentina the UTN (enginery collegue) requires you to past a math test basic calculus and physics to get in
>>67899644
weenie is uneducated (white nigger) & that makes him envious and bitter
>>67899756
If you have a standardized, nationwide, rigorous testing, you see a lot of brown-and-black skinned people failing
>THAT'S RACIST!
>MUH OPPORTUNITIES (that i'll waste)
>>67897740
>Why won't free college work in the US?
Paid college does not work in the US. People enter the workforce skill deficient and debt-laden.
>>67899756
>>67897740
College is not a necessity, not every career requires college
I never went to college and I make a good living, I shouldn't pay for other people's decision
taxes for colleges is unfair for people like me
if you can't afford college, is YOUR problem not mines
>>67899750
FAT
No but seriously what a dumb fucking map, why not just put colors or numbers? jesus christ
>>67898769
Yeah same. In fact, not only do I go to college for free here in Texas, I get paid to go. Now if we are talking about a university, than that is a completely different story and I would have to take out student loans to do so. I'm just getting the basics out of the way and will probably go that route to save money.
>>67897740
Anon, we already have free college.
GI Bill
Scholarships
You just have to earn it via sacrifice - one way or another
otherwise has no meaning or value
too many ppl in us and our education is fucking good. out top 10 universities, 8 are ours the other two are private british ones, not public
What are your thoughts on accounting majors?
>>67899385
> But people go there to get MRS degrees, or just get drunk/high, fuck each other, and learn shit that won't get them jobs or start one after they're done spending money.
make higher standarts and raise the quality. GTFO the people who doesn't study properly.
>The funding of these "free" things come from tax payers: decent, non-degenerate folks pay their taxes
do you care about taxpayers when your army literally burning money to bomb sandniggers from beyond the ocean?
> Liberals who push for "free gollege" are the same ones who keep finding something to bitch about.
your colleges are fucking expensive, beyond logical borders. a microelectronic master program is 500 euro per year in germany. same education is bazillion dollars in your country.
free education and healthcare is basic human rights from start. but americans are not human for government actually.
>inb4 roach, nuke, deus vult, etc, etc,
you can't deny my words.
>>67897740
Because white racist will vote for Trump instead /thread.
>>67897740
>American Exceptionalism
Wait. Do liberals see something wrong with American Exceptionalism? Do they not realize how exceptional we are?
It's to easy to just steal everybodys smart people? We don't have enough jobs for the people who manage to go to college now?
>>67897740
I believe that since it is not a right, you have to earn it. But I could see some kind of compromise to get rid of leeches to the system.
Get rid of affirmative action. A school should never have to lower standards for an individual.
Free college should only go to students that had at least a 3.5 in high school. High school ain't that hard as it is. In fact, I am disappointed at the standard of excellence that high schools have, and we should work on that.
Furthermore, free college will only be for four years for your bachelor's degree. Free college will only be given if you maintain a 3.5 in your classes during the semester.
I mean, I could be okay with this. Haven't even touched restricting free college to certain majors (what if the government doesn't want to pay for someone to get a gender studies degree?).
I don't see why anyone would be against this.
>>67900041
You are right in saying that not every field requires college. However, if it does, than anyone can pick up a quick basic associate degree in some field for free through community college.
If you want to specialize in something or get a bachelors than you would need to take out student loans to go to a university. Either way, chances are you already saved a shit ton of money by getting a lot of transferable credits for free.
Because it must be rationed
A millennial will probably only have one shot at free college. They think they can do it over and over
>>67900306
You haven't disproven my points, but rather divert them with arguments that have no real bearing on what I am talking about. Of course I cannot deny your words- I don't really care about them outside of pointing out how irrelevant they are.
Nice try, turkroach.
>>67900369
They are probably self hating americans who are cultural relativists and have never been to a thrid world country in their life.
>The United States used to have the greatest and yet most affordable higher education system in the world where you could work your way through it with no debt, and it was almost entirely a free market industry
>Fast forward through about 60 years of the government's endless meddling to "improve" the industry both in price and quality
>Higher education is now a fucking abomination. Prices are skyrocketing, the value of a degree is now so low that it's high school diploma 2.0, you have mass communist indoctrination, it's now almost impossible to work through a degree and most people go into staggering debt, millions of people are taken out of the labor force for many years to be economic dead weights while they get a degree in Swedish basket weaving, low-IQ people for whom higher education is largely worthless are now flooding most universities and overcrowding classrooms, and a whole host of other problems
>DUDE CLEARLY THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GOVERNMENT LMAO
I ask this to OP and any other advocate of "free" college, but do you ever seriously reflect on WHY the problems we see now exist in the industry? Are there any sort of cogs turning in your head, or does your thought process never extend beyond "I LIKE FREE"?
>>67897740
Because we won't impose a system like Germany where our dumbasses get kicked out of school when they can't benefit any more from education.
Instead we have a system that will happily take your money and give you a degree in Native American Ethnic Underwater Queefing so long as the check doesn't bounce. The Fingolian knows what's up >>67898297
I'd almost be ok with free education provided it was only given for careers that are necessary for the function of a nation and you had to qualify to get payment. Medical care would get a lot more affordable if doctors weren't paying down massive med school debts. The problem is that shitavious and juan would get kicked out of school in the seventh grade because they can't learn anything more complex and college would be almost 100% white and muh racism.
>>67897740
>Remove most of the research and move it to entities related to the university but with a separate budget.
>Implement entrance exams purposely designed with requirements well above high school levels so most applicants fail them (no affirmative action whatsoever).
>Add mandatory courses on the first and second years with a frustrating amount of work so many students fail and abandon.
This is how we made it work in Argentina. I guess rich countries like yours could follow a more permissive European model.
>>67897740
The biggest reason against government intervention in higher education here in the US is just to take a look at public k through 12 education in the US. It's a fucking joke. The vast majority of the best institutes of higher education are in the US. Hell, I'd wager even generic state school # 8 in any given American state is vastly superior to the finest "free" universities in a lot of European countries
>>67898297
>>67898967
>>67899260
That's kinda messed up. Which is why socialism is shit. There are always useless retards who ruin it for everyone.
>>67900084
Because it shows the middle east is a black hole of intelligence.
Also, Chinese papers are ~50% shit because they plagiarize so much
>>67897740
Math.
>>67900565
the big problem is grade inflation.
a mate of mine study in england. He said everyone there gets Cs - average.
you have to be brilliant to get higher
in US, you can get a A in some classes just through attendance
>>67898943
World needs ditch diggers too ya know.
>>67901015
Grade inflation is a problem in private institutions, not so much in state/city colleges and uni's
IM 19 do I go to college or not? Tuition is $3700 /yr for full time at local community college. FAFSA (federal aid) will give me at least $4000. Is that too good to be true? Why shouldnt I go?
>>67897740
"Free" college doesn't not solve the problem of expensive tuition, it only feeds the monkey.
The source of the problem is that "college graduate" has become a proxy for intelligence because intelligence testing for employment is on shaky legal ground after the Griggs case (disparate impact to blacks). Since employers do not want the liability associated with testing, they switched to a degree requirement. This lowered the bar and made colleges big money makers, who now will never give up the revenue source, and now they want you to have a fucking degree to be a firefighter.
>>67899756
We have something called disparate impact. If too many blacks or spics fail then there's an assumed racial bias. Doesn't matter if they're genuinely stupid or incompetent, there has to be a certain minimum spaces allotted to niggers. That's why we have African studies. It's a way to pass retards. There's a blank studies bullshit degree for everyone except whites males.
Why won't free college work in the US?
>>67901443
>It's a way to pass retards
>>67899260
>beer
yes, that was actually a good idea.
I'm going down to the local store and buy me a six pack before it's made illegal for the day....
College is the last section of education where if you fail you are fucked in the short term, which for some people is the only term. Making education free for the lower grades has only deferred the point at which children are forced to man up and face the real world and that their choices and bad habits have short and long term ramifications. Costs of education certainly have to be reduced, but if their made free we'll just end up with a bunch of over educated children who can't even put on their pants without parental guidance.
>>67897740
I for one think it is a great idea to add an extra 4 years of warehousing and indoctrination.
I mean, 200 million liberal arts degrees is just money well spent.
yeah really, we need a lot of general labor, and only a few scientist.
>>67897740
It works if gender studies etc. are what you're going for but for actual sciences it sucks. Finland has had free universities for decades and we have less Nobel laureates per capita than almost any other Western countries and universities are filled with left-wingers.
No public universities apart from community colleges. Next thread.
It's not even that horrible
Even if you go into 40k+ debt that is still manageable as long you have actually gotten a job
The problem is all these kids think they deserve to live the high life in a city with no debt making 200k a year
http://vidmax.com/video/136903-20-yr-old-Bernie-Sanders-supporter-films-and-uploads-himself-running-over-a-Trump-sign-gets-busted-by-cops
>>67901315
I did community college for my first two years because of the sweet fafsa deal. There I found my field I quite enjoyed (STEM field) and I'm now getting my PhD in said field years later. Try to find something you like that is also not a complete waste, go to class, and do your homework and you'll be fine
>>67901015
>in US, you can get a A in some classes just through attendance
all of this is actually true. At highschool in the 90ies we had some who went over there for half a year I think. They came back with all A's, here they were average students.
Also we adopted the letter grades on our unis back in 04 or 03 I think. Getting A's here is hard, you can do no errors. A C is either 79]% correct, I forget these things.
right beer
smokes
>>67901887
>universities are full of left wingers
That should be assumed in this day and age in fact if you want to be powerful and not have your lefty loosey ideology challenged in any meaningful way university is the place for you!
>>67902101
It's gotten to the point here that it's no longer very impressive to have a high GPA (at least in high school)
It's why universities ask for so much bullshit when you apply for them
>>67900745
Well put.
>>67897853
>Free college will greatly hasten that phenomenon.
Good. It's essentially what reality is now, so might as well both try to address it and stop people from putting themselves into crippling debt and becoming drains on the system at the same time.
>>67901015
>grade inflation
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/grade_inflation.html
You can thank me later for the red pill
>>67901443
kek
i go to the utn and its almost all whites and no trash mestizo tier
>>67897740
Reminder most people go to college to party and dorms are a huge part of that. Free college means no dorms for most people.
>>67901443
here in argentina u can be openly racist and antisemitic and none gives a fuck
>>67897740
Ok, I have an idea: have other peoples properties smeared in the face.
>>67902483
Right.
So instead of Courtney paying for her Chicano studies degree I get a tax hike so I can pay it for her.
Awesome.
>>67899064
>MUH STEM
Medicine and Law are very economical, assuming you actual reach graduation and attain accreditation.
Some of the humanities, like history and philosophy, have serious academic merit to them and can be used for progression into more economical graduate degrees.
Having humanities curriculum isn't a problem, not even if it's being subsidizes, as long as the coursework at least tries to be rigorous and the funding is contingent upon actual progress and performance.
As it stands now, the fields are just a fallback for people too bad at math and science for STEM and too bad at verbal reasoning and practical reasoning for law and medicine.
>>67897740
America should have negative interest rates on student loans, especially for people working in jobs under their major. This would fix most of the problems currently happening. Imagine if the you get fucked over so do the people who issue the loans. They would be more selective.
>>67899644
Student housing here is like 250 euros for a small single apartment (basically the same size as a US dorm room w/ bathroom and small kitchen). That includes the room, furnishing, heating, electricity, water, and internet. Shop frugally enough and you could probably cover all your living needs on just 350-400 euros a month as a student.
Army is free ;)
Can anyone explain the problems we have and why Bernie's "Free College" Scheme won't work?
>>67902950
yeah the government dictating interest rates never has unintended consequences lmao
>>67902695
That's because no one cares about argentina, you do something that makes everyone stand up and notice, then they will care. Also you have latino, you have this cognitive dissonance implanted in your culture where you engage in racial debate yet the white privilege never applies to you by virtue of nationality.
>>67901952
Blame the libshits saying, since you entered school, that everyone has to go to STEM otherwise you will be poor for the rest of your life working some dead end job that pays you a dollar a day. Not everyone is cut out for STEM yet these mentally ill faggots keep spouting that equality bullshit. If you can't do STEM, you don't belong in uni, simple as that. Get your education the practical way by going to a tech school, paid for by your employer if possible, and learning practical shit that matters for everyday work. You get out early, you also get paid, and you don't have to waste your time and money with those liberal horseshit generals you have to take to make you a "well rounded citizen." Life will do that for you.
In the 70s/80s, only about 23% of the population ever went to uni so if some libshit tells you that you will be poor if you don't go, then ask them what the fuck happened to the other 77%.
You can also blame them for the "we have to compete with immigrants because they have STEM degrees" shit also. Yet, despite this, they let it degenerate sandniggers who have "degrees" from some mudshit uni. Fuck these people really. It's time the US clean up the fucking mess in academia. You should get the fucking death penalty for teaching commie bullshit to children and wasting their time and money.
>>67897740
How about this as a reason.
Many US colleges struggle with overfilled classes already. Computer labs have barely enough computers for students. Professors have to already double up on teaching. Some even teaching topics they have never learned before.
How about student housing? That's already a nightmare for most students. College housing is the first to go, and it goes quickly. My college apartment was overbooked, and people applying late were simply shit out of luck and had to live in even shittier off campus housing.
It's not like colleges can just magically and instantly make these changes.
>>67903149
Take the value from something and what is it worth?
>>67897740
It becomes the new lowest common demoninator and people stop competing / caring. Just look at most of your peers in highschool.
1. People will take worthless degrees and generate the same economic and social output as if they never took the degree at all
2. Popular majors at state universities will spike in admission requirements. This will inevitably spark an outrage among Liberals, when they find out that being a mediocre fuck won't automatically grant you access to free college. Focus will shift from the economic barrier to the intellectual barrier. They will argue that students' intellect and competence are not well defined by standardized tests (they're essentially right), and therefore the government needs to deal with the problem of grading systems. (This same debate is going on in Denmark at this very moment)
3. Likewise, jobs won't simply appear by pure government magic, because more people are getting academic degrees. This will only create a higher supply of mediocre candidates for the same amount of jobs.
4. Those who are unable to find a job because they majored in unemployment will refuse to give up finding a job that does not exist, as they have poured several years into it getting said degree.
>>67902936
Most humanities have very serious academic merit to them. The 2nd part of my suggestion had state subsidies for those degrees under the condition it's coupled with a technical degree or certification.
I don't care if someone wants to get their BS in 19th Century Lesbian Literature so long as they have a practical job skill to go along with it. That way they have something to fall back to should they decide not to pursue a graduate degree or a job in academia.
Plus, it should give them a sense of grounding in "blue collar" type work to better empathize with different people.
>>67900369
They were never exceptional and are secretly jealous of those who are.
>>67897740
This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Anyone who's been through the American K-12 system could tell even while in it how shitty the process is. And now they want kids to spend another two years locked up in school with no real world exposure.
>>67903158
Why is it OK for banks to do it to us then? And furthermore if purchasing power is being effected by money printing done by the Fed this gives an incentive for them not to do it AND it means the government will have to be more picky with student loans. This solution that will please both the Dems and Repubs.
>suck at STEM
>go to university
>japanese studies and political science
>learn how to think logically and also out of the box
>have a good payed job at automobile OEM
I think STEM subjects are great, but you people sound sure damn insecure.
>>67898297
In the end the people who advocate the loudest for free education are the reason why it is slowly disappearing in Finland.
They are scared shitless of student loan system being applied in Finland because they know they cannot get job in their fields of women's studies.
Funny thing is that you can get a 20k extra loan if you want and if you graduate in the expected 5 years you get it a cut out of it so you have to pay back like 15k. Literally free money, business school professor jokingly lately said in the news that everyone who doesn't take the 20k loan should be kicked out of the business school.
Few students, pretty much only business and STEM take the whole 20k loan, put it in stock market, graduate, get the cut and walk away with free 5k+interest or stock market gains.
The leftists heard nothing but "MANDATORY STUDENT LOAN" and went on a yet another rally...
I wouldn't mind tax funded tuition if it was paying for trade school.
>>67901315
You should go only if you think you are intelligent enough to benefit from higher education.
Do you know what you want to do when you graduate? Do you have a major in mind already? Are you planning to go to a university after you get your 2 year degree from community college?
Or are you just gonna fuck off for 2 years making the minimum effort to pass while smoking weed every day and fucking the gross ass community college bitches?
>>67903853
you're not really germon are you?
>>67903853
Your job exist on the basis that STEM jobs exist. Not the other way around.
>>67903527
>refusing to give up finding a job that doesn't exist
That alone tells you how narrow-minded people are thanks to uni education. They get that shitty degree they busted their ass for and expect to find a job specific to their degree. Maybe next time they need to open their minds and look harder in real life for a job that is great, pays well, yet doesn't look appealing when you read the title or the job description. Many people have found their careers this way and are now well off while their degree didn't relate a fucking bit. They would have found this even without a damn degree.
>>67899644
I would rather have a system where a bunch of lazy fat fucks are leeching off free college and college housing than a system where you get cucked by high student loan prices
it's the difference between a "free" degree and being cucked to a bank for 20 years
the situation we're in is retarded and we can do one of two things
>drop all federal studen loan aid so college costs can go back to how they were in the 80's and earlier
-go full berncuck and just subsidize it for everyone
looks like we're headed towards number 2 and honestly I don't care, anything is better than the system right now
>>67904020
like I said, really really insecure
>>67897740
You can already to college if you have a shred of intelligence
I would go general contractor. They need millions of them. And I've seen them call and order up millions from a bank like ordering a pizza.
we don't filter people into trade schools during earlier education
too many institutes of education are private and have tuitions more than twice that of public universities
bloated school administrations and budgets are a large part of this problem
creating more college majors will not create more jobs, it will just create more people competing for the same jobs and reduce the bachelor's degree to the new high school diploma (which it almost already is)
>>67903853
Basically you're doing a job that anyone that isn't a retard could do. The degree is just a quick way of filtering out those retards in the hiring process.
The fact of the matter is a vast amount of jobs 'requiring' a degree are like this.
You're right though, STEMfags do seem insecure and get on my nerves.
>>67897740
there already is free college. it's called pell grant and scholarships. don't be a fucking retard and you'll get a free ride.
>>67897740
Devalues degrees to the point where most of them are useless. Hell, that's pretty much already the case. The only difference is that I pay for Jamjaloh's White Privilege degree rather than he pays for it himself.
>>67897740
because it does not work anywhere else.
only reason you have basically all world top universities is that they are paid.
>>67904155
Nothing to be insecure about. Somewhere out there, someone works as a Korean-English HR Staff member at Hyundai, because this person majored in Korean studies. They fill out a necessary role at the company, and they use their major for something good.
This does not change that for every Korean-English HR Staff member there is, there are maybe 50 engineers employed at Hyundai.
This is why spending maybe 3 - 4 years studying Korean is not as safe a bet as studying STEM.
>>67904131
Why not inpose negative interest rates on student loans then? So that eventually if you cant find a good paying job after five years the loan will atleast begin to pay for itself. Hell even better is offer negative interest after x amount of years. Everyone still wins.
>>67904422
>applying for tech job
>put high school diploma down
>put bachelor's degree in progress even though im taking a long fucking break from uni
>put down 10+ years working in a warehouse/office
>get hired on the spot
>get paid $25/hour
Explain how I got the job faggot.
>>67904712
>negative interest rates
what? why not just do loan forgiveness at that point?
>>67902804
Conservatives are so near sighted holy shit.
>>67898297
I used to work in study abroad admin and it was disgusting
Americans were often losers yes but euros, fuck
Late 20's, sometimes into 30's and basically living for 10 years unemployed as a "student" taking one class every couple of years.
Yes, we accepted these people into the program because we needed their scholarship money but of course they didn't learn anything because it's hard to keep up good study habits when you've been playing WOW for 10 years
However I will say that the euros were a lot more pleasant people to be around on average.
My question is, if all these mouthbreathers get free college and go for a cake degree, at some point wouldn't we realize it's a waste of money when these degrees don't actually get people any jobs?
And when that happens, wouldn't the state be deciding what a prospective student is allowed to attend college for? THAT'S the scariest thing for me.
>>67904116
Essentially, you shouldn't take a degree if you can't point to at least 10 - 20 different actual existing job openings that requires your specific dream degree. Also considering futures prospects of the degree, and its relevance in 50 years.
This is a concept I try to pass onto mindless socialists here in Denmark, but they are HARD SET on studying fucking proto-germanic linguistics, because it "interests them and I like languages a lot".
>>67897740
half of high school students don't even pay attention in school. why should tax payers foot the bill to send these losers to college?
sell some medicine bitches. dave chappell
>>67897853
only reason why people are saying college degrees are becoming the new high school diploma is because college is becoming high school education
>>67897740
Quebec here. A socialist wonderland about as socialist as any Euro country. Our education budget is around 21 billion, or a fifth of the total budget. I don't know how this compares to the average state education budget.
College should not be free. We currently have a cost of about 2 to 3K per session, so 4 to 6K a year, 12K to 18K for a Bachelors.
Now sure, compared to US costs, this is almost "free".
But for programs like History, Sociology and the likes, classes that are large (250+ people+ amphitheaters to 1 teacher, that 2K per sessions is actually a higher fee than the cost for those classes. They are a profit for Colleges which uses those profits fund the higher cost (but equal fees) classes like Medicine, Engineering, etc...
So don't make the mistake of thinking that socializing education in the USA means that the price you currently pay equates the actual COST of those programs.
>>67898297
>Same reason it doesn't work in Europe. People just enroll in women's studies, etc and freeload enjoying student apartments, student welfare into their 30's.
Simple fix to this.
1: Only the first program you enroll into is "free". The more you change programs or take new programs, the bigger % of the total cost is incurred by you personally.
2: Drop down all social studies programs before the Masters down to a CEGEP-tier of school, meaning out of Colleges.
>>67904711
And for every engineer there are 50 sales guys. And while engineering a car or a bridge is great, those sales guys can also sell appels and wood.
Just stop being so insecure, ok? It's cool you are a STEM guy. Live and let live.
>>67905119
No one told them to look at the job projections in grade school. That is why they do that and why academia wants your fucking money. You only live ONE FUCKING TIME on this earth so why waste those years when your "dream job/career" will be oversaturated for, let's say, 20-50 years or doesn't exist in the first place. But hey, if you want to waste your life on something like these libshits are doing, go right ahead because you are doing the world a favor.
>>67902936
>but m-muh law school
Most people aren't going to law school or medical school after college.
It's literally a waste of time for the vast majority of people. If you want to go to college because you are 100% sure you want to go onto med school or something like that then sure, you should go to college but as of now college is just being used as an excuse to delay maturation of young adults. It's become become a cultural landmark in the lives of teenagers rather than a means to better yourself and your employment opportunities. And as far as graduate school, it shouldn't even fucking exist. Graduate school courses should be the final 2 years of your bachelor's course work. The fact that the first 2 years of uni is spent doing nothing but retaking high school level "general" courses should tell you just how completely fucked up the system in the united states is.
We need an overhaul of the entire educational system so that people graduating from high school are graduating with useful skills that will lead to employment or prepare them for entrepreneurial pursuits. I'm sorry, but fuck shakespeare, fuck physical education, fuck betsy ross, fuck musical theater and art and whatever bullshit they teach you in high school these days. You should be finished with all of that shit by 8th grade. High school should be used as a time to teach real world schools or prepping the select few for college and their eventual cross over into the medical field, law, engineering etc.
>>67905227
why do you think those people would move onto college?
most of my classes in hs prepped students to move onto college, and a majority of the people i know who went to community college dropped out after only one semester
do you think it being free would suddenly make them want to learn and keep going?
>>67905955
>graduate studies shouldn't even exist
But anon, if it makes money, why not? Also kids need psychological way to disavow that the tables they are washing aren't a means to an end...
>>67897740
i'd like about six grand to go to tradeschool and learn something useful.
>>67905955
> The first 2 years of uni is spent doing nothing but retaking high school level general courses
but anon this isn't even remotely true
>>67897740
Does America really need more people with womyns studies and other associated nonsense degrees? Because the whole "free college" thing will be a great way to get them.
>>67905874
1. Being a salesman usually does not require even a bachelor degree, but mostly just experience.
2. Marketing and management engineering is a thing. Look it up. Marketing and management educations (also outside engineering) are viable options to take. I'd rank them on par with STEM.
Though my quarrel isn't with management or marketing degrees, and your point really doesn't address how STEM is obviously a god tier field to choose for your major, over humanities, like studying Japanese.
>>67897740
You want the same governing body that failed k-12 education having their hands in college also?
That free college will cone with a heavier price tag than a monumental raise in middle class taxes.
>>67906477
lol yes it is. That's why you're far better off going to community college for the first 2 years and getting that shit out of the way as cheaply as possible. The first 2 years of university are a joke and barely any time is spent learning about your intended major.
Problem: College graduates struggle with massive debts and unemployment.
Trump's solution: Bring jobs back to the United States. Put jobs in the hands of American citizens, the people struggling with debt. Not only will this help graduates out of their debt ditches, but this will create more job openings for graduates to finally obtain their dream job.
Sanders and the average college graduate's solution: Wipe away debt, raise minimum wage, raise taxes on the rich. Let illegals, who sell themselves for below minimum wage, continue residing in the United States. This will TOTALLY help unemployed graduates find their dream job.
>>67897995
this. Im not paying for your free ride. I already pay taxes so drug dealers can drink their syrup, sling their heroin and collect welfare and food stamps. I never went to college and I make 35$ an hour simply because I'm not a lazy, entitled, coddled piece of shit and I live in the Greatest country on earth
>>67897853
>There's a reason many of the best colleges in the world are American.
Yeah. Hollywood and marketing. Nothing more
>>67906323
Do you live near a city that has union trades?
I'm a union electrician, and our apprentices go to school once every 2 weeks for 5 years while working. Starting wages is $16ish, with full benefits. Once finished school, the wage is $40ish with plenty of opportunity for overtime.
If you're semi intelligent, and show up everyday, you'll be offered a promotion in a few years.
>>67905875
And this is exactly why free and open college is not a sustainable solution.
Students converge towards non-technical or practical majors, and saturate the market. If you really want free college, the government needs to regulate and redistribute students to adequate represent market demands. This is a horrible idea though.
>>67897740
Too many people
Too many useless courses
>>67906913
impractical majors*
Americans could have a futuristic utopia, and they would still bitch and complain about something.
>>67904255
you will end up on a lake in a big house retired at 30. sailing your boat around. stem you will end up at mce'ds
>>67907099
>Americans could have a futuristic utopia
We already do have that. Everyone's to busy bitching and fighting each other to realize it though
>>67907207
With niggers running around and mexicans taking you over. topkek!
>>67898297
Are there any universities that actually offer Women's Studies? I thought it was just a meme
>>67906067
>tfw I was one of those who dropped out in a semester.
I had no idea what was going on in one of my classes and just flunked
>>67907420
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/programs.html
read the list and weep
I hope it goes through.
Then "lowly" blue collar plumbers such as myself will make even more money because everyone will be fighting for college boy desk jobs at an alarming rate.
Imagine how much more rare people in my position would be. There's already a pretty big shortage of plumbers in my state. There will be even more of a shortage if everyone can just go get a free English or arts degree.
>>67898297
How about a free 2 year degree from a community college? Like a technical degree or something.
>>67906913
I agree with you. Those who are intelligent enough know there is no such thing as free shit. They will expect taxes to rise and a lot of people including myself and my family don't want that. My parents, for example. The government already takes half my mother's paycheck every month and almost 60% of my father's paycheck because he runs his own business. Me on the other hand, they only take about 30% because I don't make as much money as my parents. Then they cuck us and use that money on some shitty war or some useless diversity/climate change/libshit program. This is why everyone is leaning to Trump because everyone is mad of the societal decay.
>>67897740
Niggers
>>67899750
>That UK map size
noice
>>67907368
>poor people problems.
I live in a white town and everyone is rich. If it wasn't for the internet, you couldn't convince me that this wasn't 100% a Utopia.
Things have just started to change recently, so it might not last very long, but the high cost of living and due to its geographical location, its going to stay white and low crime for a long time comming
>>67906601
I've worked in sales for livingsocial, groupon, a few dental + medical companies, and now doing sales for CT corporation.
Every single one if them required a degree. I lied on my resume and said I graduated, but only went for 3 semesters.
>>67907420
Enjoy brti-bro.
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/programs.html
>>67907490
Oh wow holy shit. You move water from one room to the other. Must be real fucking difficult. Don't break your arm jerking yourself off over there.
>>67906906
I think so but I don't have a vehicle and there is no public transport, so I've kind of been living with my dad as a neet while we live hand to mouth.
Wasn't always this way, but my mom was empowered by the state to ruin both of us pretty good.
>>67907726
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
I've heard everything from suggestions for free college to abolishing anything that isn't stem to fucking investment programs where students can sell shares of their future income to fund college. It's all just skirting around the main problem.
Like half of the foreign motherfuckers in this country need to get the fuck out. No more loans, and whatever needs to happen to lower tuition prices needs to happen. If you have to sell off those fancy fucking dorms, do it. If you have to quit hiring joke professors for joke majors, do that too. No one should have to compete internationally to go to school in their own fucking town, and that's the situation you find in most of these """"state""" unis.
>>67907647
Surprising. Marketing in Denmark usually only requires a degree if you want to be a project leader / marketing manager etc.
>>67905564
Yeah it's getting dumbed down hard, can confirm even up here
Also it's an end product of the no child left behind policy we have. Most degenerate who don't belong in higher education drop out in their third year, so the four year degree is enough to separate some wheat from the chaff but not as much as it should
>>67897740
That's one useless picture. Nothing indicates that status of the man's wealth or employment. Should have put unpaid bills or indications of welfare to show he's not as well-off as an educated man.
Because 99% of the people in college for a bachelor's are too stupid for it to be any benefit to them.
t. Grad student
>>67907814
Damn, that sucks bro. Do you guys have any credit? Used car places are giving everyone loans nowadays, its like the subprime mortgaging all over again.
>>67907875
>No one should have to compete internationally to go to school in their own fucking town
This so much
I'm tired of seeing people from all over Brazil in my Uni
This needs to stop
>>67907855
>What's day 1 of plumbing school?
lefty loosey
>What's day 2 of plumbing school?
Righty tighty
>What's day 3 of plumbing school?
Graduation
>>67906633
Completely agree, I had to deal with it myself
Probably am gonna lose a year of my life to stress of hating the system
>>67908322
Yeah, you're just a idiot.
nothing more to see here folks.
>>67897740
Our perceptions on higher education are different.
Americans think that a degree, any degree, is a ticket to a job.
People waste money and years to get degrees in humanities or woman's studies and expect to land a 6 figure job.
We would certainly benefit from more educated Americans, but it isnt going to help our economy at all
I dont want to pay half of my check so that shitty students can feel even less obligationbto succeed
>>67908211
his credit is in the toilet because of bank fuckery and a prior bankruptcy, I've tried and it amounts to LOL YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB? GET FUCKED KIDDO XD
>>67908520
Seriously you have a job a bucket could do.
Enjoy your new renaissance there union joe. A real plumber's paradise.
>mfw
>>67906749
bingo
>>67899750
Mexican intellectuals going strong I see.
yeah, I'm gonna work on my stem degree so I can work at mc'e d's. You may speak 12 languages but you gonna need them when you in time square selling hats.
I'm all for free college, but first we need to realize it's not really free.
The benefit of "free" college is that young people don't need to go in debt to get an education. But the cost will be reflected one way or another in the economy AND education system itself.
The problem with free college is that free things are usually bad quality. That's another reason we must realize free college isn't free.
Ideally there should be free college up to certain point, guaranteeing a certain level of education that allows anyone to be educated and self sufficient and be able to pay for better quality of education if he wishes.
That way the more talented and dedicated people can keep improving by paying for more exclusive education- yes, rich kids will also assist these colleges only because they have the money...but think of them as a way to invest in the quality of education, their parents pay and finance education for themselves and help finance universities expenses. Rich people wont clog the system, unlike making it free for everyone.
But when ALL education gets over-populated and free for everyone, then no one gets proper education, especially once kids without real commitment slow down everyone else. Lower education means less capable people. With that, soon enough you USA becomes pretty much like Latin America, full of people who don't know how to do shit.
Free education "sounds" nice, and fair. But nothing is free in life. Don't let the cost of free education, be education itself.
>>67905955
>We need an overhaul of the entire educational system so that people graduating from high school are graduating with useful skills that will lead to employment or prepare them for entrepreneurial pursuits. I'm sorry, but fuck shakespeare, fuck physical education, fuck betsy ross, fuck musical theater and art and whatever bullshit they teach you in high school these days. You should be finished with all of that shit by 8th grade. High school should be used as a time to teach real world schools or prepping the select few for college and their eventual cross over into the medical field, law, engineering etc.
You exactly fucking right Thai-ladyboy-bro. High school and college have been a joke in most parts of this nation for a long time.
>>67897740
Free collage will cause private universitys to cost that much more. The school name on the diploma will be much more important than it is now.
The idea that college is necessary for a successful and happy life is far too over blown. Does it provide a chance at a higher paying jod? Yes, but the majority of people getting pushed through college never get a fulfilling life long job. Only 30 people graduated out of the program my brother went through and he was one of 4 that got jobs. The rest are working odd jobs like home depot.
Myself and a friend haven't been to school yet and we are quite secesfull. I do plan to go to college in the near future but I won't be paying for much of it with a lone and I already have plenty of life and job experience going forward.
>>67900041
Not every career requires a high school diploma. By that logic high school should be a private not public.
Why won't free roads work in the US?
>>67902483
>stop people from putting themselves into crippling debt
>the only way to do this is raise taxes even more
lol no wonder you have hundreds of thousands of rapefugess with no plans of stopping
>>67897740
It devalues the degree so then the new 'college degree' becomes an internship or a masters degree.
Then you ask that that becomes free.
People get desperate to get a degree to get a job but very few ever go into something useful (STEM or non-STEM with connections).
So you get a glut of art and humanities and social sciences beyond what those fields have in jobs. Because people don't have the willingness to study something hard that made College worth anything in the first place.
Free college has done nothing economically for the EU
>>67906804
he said in english, on an american website so desirable a chink paid actual money for it
>>67906804
>>67909852
Haha Weixing BTFO.
>>67900974
Costs over how long? A year?
>>67897740
Consider this - even while going tens of thousands in debt people choose degrees with no professional prospects, drop out, or end up working something completely different.
When degrees are free, all of those cases skyrocket, and so does total education spending, only through taxes this time around.
>>67909708
roads are not free. We all pay for them one way or another. College will not be free. The government will get their money, you'll pay for it one way or another.
Economics was the most beneficial class to my life as a voter and all I could thank about is why it's not taught throughout grade school.
>>67909708
Do the existence of tollways counter this?
>>67910399
I don't understand people who choose degrees that then they can't use professionally. It's like they don't go to college with the purpose of finding a way to be useful to society, but they believe society owes them a job for the sole reason of having assisted college for certain amount of years.
the government should set up a free university with all classes online. it wouldn't cost much at all.
>>67902483
That's not how it works. Once you make something free its value evaporates. If someone with no money or resources can obtain the same qualifications as you thanks to government aid, then it simply lowers YOUR market value while temporarily raising theirs.
Eventually employers start recognizing that degrees mean nothing and everyone who worked hard to get one loses all potential future opportunities linked to that degree. Meanwhile the homeless guy who "earned" a bachelor's degree is now in the same position he was before college was free.
the graduation rate of the major community college around here is 3-13%.
>>67909708
That's a really complicated junction
>>67906804
Harvard is only world-famous because of Hollywood? Right. You know it's incredibly prestigious in the academic community too, right? Academics tend to know a little more about their fields than random tards on the internet.
>>67898297
It works here because there is no such a shitty career as female studies or black history, also you are tested through an IQ test to enter the university
>>67897740
It can work on a state level (see TN, we are pretty much about to be outsourcing trade jobs to the rest of the country cause now our niggers and other poor people can go get a trade for free if they play their cards right.) but fuck the federal government being involved with education at any level above funding it and even then they fuck that up (see funding cuts for not accepting Common Core).
>>67904422
Not all jobs that require soft skills and interpersonal skills are jobs that "anyone who isn't a retard could do." Sure, those jobs have specific technical skills, but the main focus for jobs like that are typically soft skills.
You can't just shove anybody into a management position and expect them to do well. You can't even shove someone who's very smart and technically skilled into a management position and expect them to excel (this is a failing of many, many companies & hiring managers). If they don't have management and leadership skills (read: soft skills like developing teamwork, managing teams, etc.), they will not be able to do the job to a high level. Sure, they might scrape on by, but chances are that they're more of a burden to the organization than an asset.
There are a ton of STEMfags that have no idea what the fuck soft skills are, hence the reason why so many college/university STEM programs require students to take non-STEM (usually humanities) courses. Simply put, most companies don't like hiring trolls with no social skills.
>>67897740
College was always free in greece and we also have a very high enter rate, but 95% of all the universities are shittier than shit
>>67897853
>>67897995
>>67898297
I shouldn't have to pay for college majors that offer no benefit to society.
I would consider "free" college when we can identify which majors and programs offer the most benefit to this country and the world.
In this way, bull-shit majors like Asian Studies and Gender Theories
would not be subsidized.
>>67911058
maybe if they had to pay for it if not finish. But still not enough jobs some times, so shit.
>>67904711
>>67904711
As someone in HR, I agree that it's not a "safe bet" if you can't make yourself stand out from the crowd. Honestly, a lot of people in my field are pants-on-head retarded; aside from lacking technical skills (like, say, being able to create a departmental budget or draft well-worded policies or collective agreement terms), they're air-headed idiots who couldn't argue their way out of a wet paper bag. Instead of basing their arguments on facts, metrics, reason, or even fucking legislation, the vast majority of people in my field will make arguments based on emotions.
People like that (most people in HR) get into organizations because of poor selection techniques and stay there because of poor personnel management. They usually have the technical skills to do the work (knowledge of relevant legislation, training techniques, recruitment/selection techniques), but they don't have the soft skills (like critical thinking, probably the most important soft skill you can cultivate) to back up their knowledge in work-related scenarios and end up relying on other people to help them piece together and present their work.
As a side note, there is an entire industry that employs a huge number of HR professionals -- employment firms/talent agencies. Don't think that HR professionals rely on finding a job in a (usually fairly small) HR department in any given company. They can get a job finding jobs for other people. Executive talent agencies are very commonly hired by companies to fill vacant executive positions (sometimes essentially acting as headhunters), while other employment agencies supply more traditional labour to companies with high turnover rates (production line jobs, warehousing, etc.). Considering the shoddy employment rate most everywhere in North America, I'd wager that these firms make a lot of money just from walk-ins looking for a shitty job placement in a warehouse.
>>67904155
>>67904020
"German" guy obviously trolling. Without engineers to design everything related to automobiles how would he even work.
There is a need for people who have knowledge in Political science and japanese studies but not as high as the need for more useful subjects. Again, the worth of a major depends on its benefit to society.
Sooner or later computer scientists will make decent translation programs and he will become obsolete.
>>67897740
The average price of college
$9,410 in-state public
23,893 out-of-state public
32,405 private
We'll use the cheapest one.
According to the NCES, there are approximately 3.4 million students set to graduate in 2015-2016.
3,400,000 x 9,410 = 31,994,000,000
32 billion dollars
But wait! You have to multiply that by 4 (freshman, sophomore, junior, senior)
128 billion dollars every year. Just for in-state public schools.
Out of state, public?
325 billion per year.
Private?
440 billion per year.
>>67912814
And this doesn't take into account the TRILLIONS that will need to be spent building countless schools to accommodate the massive influx of students.
>>67912814
well that's doable. honestly. You know how much money we come up with a year?
>>67913962
maybe tax soda a dollar. tax car repairs a dollar. there is millions of us we can nickle and dime that much?
It could work but the whole system would have to be retooled. The majority of people are not smart enough to be in college and never should be there. There are also a lot of bullshit courses and classes that should be done away with. We also need to open up serious post high school trade schools, this is where the majority of people would go.
It could all be paid for by bringing our troops home from around the world and the trade surpluses we'll be running under trump
How about instead of offering "free" higher education, we fix K-12 and better prepare kids for the world?
>>67897740
Because incentivizing laziness and poor life choices is bad.
Doing it by holding a gun to people's heads and saying 'pay up' is immoral.
>>67900842
The most beneficial degree's students are required to pass entrance exams generally throughout EU.
I think only us, Austrians and Russians will kick you out of the uni unless you perform to certain standards
>>67897853
In Europe a lot of high schools hold A-levels courses in the past typically only having a diploma like that got you into unviversity now you can get in with more and there are easier courses.
I think post high school education is seriously overrated. There is also little accurate student assesment since even scientific degrees wjocj were jard found out ways to make their curriculum have like 50% group work. The group works usually gets a milder rating than individual work as well lol, at least I feel like this at my university since substantially less people fail groupwork. Just put up groupwrok in the every course to ease degrees, maybe weekly graded assignment where you can easily achieve high grades for and it's done.
>>67898297
This has been happening at like 1995-2005 over here when these degrees were still sufficient. In modern day people who suck at science degrees still try to get into economics so they still have some value in their degree.
> foreigners
Everyone in the EU is entitled to the same student benefits and rulings as the Fins are. Many still just opt for Sweden instead due to it being cheaper.
>>67899260
Large group of students make a bad first choice, this can happen the delay can be minimal if your university is willing to transfer credits in some space that the minor was for and you don't lose that much time that way. I mean if you got 50 ECTS in your first year and say ''fuck this degree sucks'' you can opt for a more open degree and make your own curriculum I know unis in the Netherlands take this approach, with 1 curriculum of subjects for a BA and one for Bsc.
>>67903527
I think this is generally the issue around the Nordic states. But the last point is certainly valid around Western countries
>>67897740
Collectivism in general goes against liberty because I should be able to choose what I do with my money. I'm going to trade school right now. Is Bernard going to pay for that? No, but he'll pay for some spoiled kid to get a risk-free education on taxpayer dollars. It's not poor kids either. I don't think a lot of poor kids would go to college if it suddenly became free. They still can't afford the living expenses and a lot of them received shitty base educations in Democrat-run schools and can't get into Universities. This program is geared towards spoiled middle class kids that are too stupid to see their education as an investment.
How did other countries implement free college? I get the feeling that they did it because there was high demand for educated workers, which is not the case in the US with our huge graduate underemployment rates.
>>67897740
According to google, the average cost of Tuition is $32,000 a year, or $128,000 for a 4 year course.
Also according to google there are currently 21 million college students in America.
So 21,000,000 * 128,000 = 2,688,000,000,000 (2 Trillion, 688 Million)
The GDP of America is 16,770,000,000,000 (16 Trillion, 770 Million).
The cost of "free" college in America amounts to 16% (approx) of the GDP, or about the same as the current cost of welfare.
So where is that extra 2 trillion going to come from?
>>67898297
It does work here.
>>67897740
It works just fine when you don't have half the country going. In many countries, they have a number of schemes to limit who can actually go to a university. I personally would rather pay the amounts we do because in most other countries, I'd be fucked. They don't have open-admissions community colleges in those countries where if you fucked up in high school but were actually smart enough to get a degree, you could have a second chance. In Europe, I'd be sweeping floors or cleaning port-a-potties instead of sitting at a nice desk in an air conditioned office.
>>67898297
When I studied the German language in high school and we were about to graduate, the teacher said only something like 10% of students at most in Germany actually get to go to university because of the multi-track education system, where you go to either a Gymnasium, which pretty much guarantees admission to university, a Hochschule, where you're not and a Realschule which guarantees you will go into the trades and never set foot in a university (I may have a few of those mixed up, so correct me if I got something wrong). That probably reduces a lot of their university costs.
Hey. Brazillian that dreams on studying abroad and becoming a Medic here. Any ''developed'' countries outside Argentine i can study? I make about 3.000 dollars a month. There is free college here, but fuck this country. Am willing to work and all.
>>67897740
Community colleges rocks. They should be free. It's also apart of our culture to have access to free information. Corporations also want more skilled workers. Everyone wins.
>>67897740
The reason college is so expensive is because everybody is given loans and if they default the government pays for them. There is no incentive to lower the price, now imagine if the government just decided to make it "free" so that everybody could go to college regardless of their work ethic or attitude. People just looking to party can attend, this will create shit students and the government will pay for their vacation, while the college increase the prices to make a buck.
tl;dr: fuck Bernie
>>67919677
7 million for 4000. only about 28 billion? :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita
Nations with free university all rank among the best.
>>67897740
If you're a minority and get good grades, you can get scholarships/free rides for uni and that makes it possibly free
>my vote classmate got good marks in HS, got into MIT and most of her tuition paid for b/c her family poor
>>67920009
Just imagine if people could go to a public university for free. The government would increase prices on the government to make a quick buck from the government.
>>67897740
>academic scholarship
>athletic scholarship
>pell grant
>united negro college fund fund
i know i missed some
>>67920046
21 million at 4000 buckaroos a pop. 84 billion. wow that hurt. everyone go to community college.
>>67906749
Just how seriously is Sanders thinking about standing in front of the big bank owners and say: "yeah, that ~2 trillion dollars that we own you is not going to be paid back"?
I mean that one fucker, who thought Bernie would make his college debt disappear was already retarded enough, but as most of his supporters are a like: what is Sanders going to do for existing denbts?
>>67897853
I heard Russia has free or subsidized college but they're very damn strict about it. Would this be a satisfactory solution?
>>67922174
I guess a few people really smart, our millions pretty smart. lol
>>67906633
>The first 2 years of university are a joke and barely any time is spent learning about your intended major.
>my experience is indicative of the whole
i don't even know where to begin
did you go to a liberal arts school or something?
did you wait two years to pick a major?
i'm really at a loss
>>67904952
Absolutely.
The United States could not possibly function without throngs of near idiots getting "free" liberal arts degrees.
Oh, the humanity.
Why does it seem like every american have a choice between getting a masters degree in engineering or working at McDonald's? Have mexicans stolen all your trade jobs? Even here, where polacks do all the carpentry, construction and unskilled labour jobs for half the pay we still have plenty of trade jobs for electricians, welders, plumbers etc.
>>67925685
People think they aren't an option for some reason. I'm considering becoming a millwright myself.
>>67898471
My parents are separated and both receive disability so I would consider them quite poor. I studied hard and earned scholarships/grants that paid for a large sum of my schooling. I ended up taking out a loan since I changed career paths and had to stay an extra year. I'm glad I stayed that extra year though because I've just been accepted to pharmacy school and although *that* tuition will be quite expensive, I will have earned a large salary and can pay off my debt within my lifetime.
Maybe I'm a hypocrite for not wanting free college even though I went pretty much for free. It's truly irks me that I, someone who would not have gone to college if not for federal grants, should work so hard to earn a good salary and have that taken from me because some SJW manchild wants to waste their time on gender studies that'll never get them a job to pay their loans back.
all education must be free. if you fail then its not free anymore.
