>americans think sweden and norway are socialist
I don't think of Sweden or Norway at all.
>>67893046
FPBP
>>67892942
Well, when you see a declining country with extremely high taxes and muh free stuff, it's good to assume it's under a socialist government.
>>67892942
My country is still socialist
I couldn't point out Sweden or Norway on a map. All I know is that it's in Europe and they don't into burgers.
>>67893179
>Americans are this dumb.
So is your country also under socialism because the same shit is happening to you?
>>67893456
We know you're dumb.
>>67892942
>implying Canada is less socialist than Norway and Sweden
>>67892942
not even the most radical example you could come up with britcuck, we think our own democrats are a socialist party
>>67893513
At least I have burgers.
>>67893456
>and they don't into burgers
That is quite true, our burgerplaces are all overpriced garbage.
>>67893179
So not here then?
>>67893478
>Americans are this dumb.
You're an Englishmen, you think Americans are unintelligent even if most of us are scientist or philosophers.
So, your opinion is naturally discarded.
>>67893046
>predominately Americans on /pol/ who jump to any excuse to post cuckshit and find schadenfraude in white genocide
>leftists and Bernie supporters who worship Scandinavian social democracy
>right wingers who use Sweden as an example of the dangers of unrestricted third world/muslim immigration
Doesn't seem to apply to others from your country, Daniel. You seem to think of our at large irrelevant country with a population lower than that of Michigan quite a lot
>>67892942
>free shit
>progressive and cripplingly high taxes
>not socialism
>>67893788
>most of us are scientist or philosophers.
Quality shitpost
>>67892942
>implying I think about Norway or Sweden at all.
Wait, I'm half Norwegian... damn it op.
>>67893881
Yes, that is not socialism, the political ideology.
>>67892942
It is socialist
>>67893179
Nothing declining about Norway or Sweden at all. We both do better than America, better growth and not as affected by the 2008 recession.
I think they also have big misconceptions about which European countries have a more comprehensive welfare state. The nordics are rich but if you want to find the most paternalistic governments you should look at the south. Italy probably.
The main difference between the North and the South is that the general public trusts the government more in the North.
However both love the "free gibs" shit.
>>67893950
Then you should go back and read more socialist literature. You don't seem to know what it is or what it's basic tenants are.
>>67893881
>capitalist market economy
>socialism
It's called social democracy, and It's quite shit
>>67892942
They are.
The UK currently has a leader more revolutionary than glorious leader ceaucescu himself.
>>67894000
That's because you are one of the few countries in the world who's government decided not to run a budget deficit.
>>67892942
> sueing the state because console in prison is old
> not sociallist
>>67894109
>social democracy
>not socialism
How are they different then?
>>67893850
You failed to get senpai noticed. Allow me to fix that
>>67894042
Judging by your statement you haven't read even a wikipedia article on socialism. Nevermind Marx, Lenin, or Kautsky or anyone else of signifance.
Yet you still pretend you have. Americans are delusionally arrogant
>>67893896
Wew, a country which influence culture throughout the globe, even name themselves after their language, but this one individual Englishman cannot gasp the word or comprehend in context of "if". Truly, a pitiful mark of the dying old influence.
>>67894116
Don't be daft lad.
>>67894116
>ceaucescu
He had the economic literacy of the basic libertarian on /pol/. He crippled the country trying to get rid of all debts at a huge cost to the economy that ultimately cost him his own life.
He was a dictator but he acted more like a retarded libertarian than like a socialist.
>>67894226
It's explained right there in my post
>>67893788
> most of us are scientist or philosophers
kek is pleased
>>67894226
I think he means they have socialist social policies, but they don't have socialist economic policies...
>>67892942
Some do. The rest of us just think you're faggots. I'll concede Norway much less though than Swedistan.
>>67892942
More like socialist welfare built up with capitalism.
>>67894173
Because of socialism people have a bit more demands on the government to function properly.
>>67893788
>you think Americans are unintelligent even if most of us are scientist or philosophers
>>67894189
"I was forced to consume the cheapest of Fjordlands products, sometimes the same dinner 2 days in a row. Some of you may think this of little importance, but everyone from western Oslo would agree that this is worse than waterboarding"
fucking Breivik
The protectorates are uppity today
>>67894226
Social democracy is what euro-communism renamed itself in the 70's and 80's after it failed to gain any traction in Western Europe.
It is an attempt to transition to communism without requiring the revolution stage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocommunism
>>67894299
Socialism does not imply complete state ownership of the economy, that's communism. Socialism is partial state ownership coupled with private ownership and liberal economic policies, subject to regulation, could still apply. Sweden is socialist, Scandinavia is socialist, most of Europe is socialist. That's it.
>>67894466
So it's still socialism.
>>67894466
>It is an attempt to transition to communism without requiring the revolution stage
You're fucking retarded if you think this is the case, our economy is built on the free market
>>67892942
You're right, it's worse.
>Statsindividualism is an ideology founded on an alliance between the state on one hand and a free individual on the other side. The State individualistic principle grew strong in Sweden during the 1960s and 1970s through reforms like the introduction of särbeskattningen , the construction of kindergartens and nursery schools , general education grant system , changes in family law and a radicalized family policy . The relationship between the state and the individual within the ideology presupposes and reinforces both a strong individualism and a strong state, which means that citizens have a stronger relationship to the state for their freedom and their livelihood, health and care than she has in their own family circumstances or civil society . According to the historian of ideas Peter Antman is "getting welfare states are equally consistently built around the idea of individual autonomy as Sweden. Almost all of our welfare system is linked to the individual, not to the family or to work that is so common in other Western countries."
>Proponents of statsindividualism believes that such reforms that frees individuals from personal dependencies of civil society - such as other individuals, private institutions , family and charities - are preferred; When the government takes greater responsibility by, for example, unemployment benefits and public health insurance the individual becomes freer. Critics of statsindividualism believe that this is a form of socialism and liberalism , combined to undermine the family and civil society, thereby making people more dependent on the state. During Almedalsveckan 2012 spoke example, the Christian Democrats party leader Goran Hagglund strongly opposed statsindividualism and to strengthen civil society instead.
Maximum atomization
Minimal civil society
>>67894715
If you have regulations of any kind you don't have a free market.
>>67894655
Depends on what definition you want to work with.
A common tactic of people on the left is to constantly change the definition of words, or even the whole word itself to make discussions next to impossible without massive semantic debates overtaking as is happening here.
>>67894775
>the free market doesn't exist anywhere in the world
ok pal, enjoy your ancap fantasy land where everything just werks
>>67894586
The US federal government has more involvement in the US economy that most European countries so by that metric, the US is more socialist than many European countries.
This is especially true of the Nordic countries which have a very market friendly economic policy.
>>67894655
Socalism has never existed in the west. I don't what yall talking about
>>67894715
Compare your market to that of 100 years ago.
Just like the UK and most other EU states the government doesn't directly own large swathes of the industry but it does impose control via endless regulations.
Ask yourself if it really matters if the government owns the industry on paper when it can still control it regardless.
It's the slow march towards socialism without the revolution.
This intent was even directly stated by our Labour party in the 40's and they've yet to change direction.
Social democracy = eurocommunism.
>>67894854
No, no nation in the world has a true free market right now. Some nations have freer markets than others and I can assure you the Scandinavian market is much more regulated that non-socialist countries.
>>67894414
>my feet are cold!
>muh anus hurt, pls no more cavity searches
>I want a PS4! Human rights!
The guy is a born comedian.
>>67894019
>>67894284
>>67894937
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>>67893478
>Obongo not trying his hardest to Institute socialist programs and Gibs
I don't think that remark made the point you thought it would.
>>67892942
>>67894937
Why don't the nords get overrun With monopolies and corporate abuses? Happens every time we loosen the rules in the us.
>>67895222
>quoting the Hung_aryan
Are you green/blue colorblind?
>>67895101
>Ask yourself if it really matters if the government owns the industry on paper when it can still control it regardless.
Actually it matters a whole lot because in one case the profits are in public hands and in the other case the profits are in private hands except now even naturally monopolistic markets are private. They tell use that a private-public partnership would be best but we all know that it results in a net loss for the tax payer and serves as very blatant theft from the public to serve the economic elite.
What you describe is actually neoliberalism. Labour are neoliberals. They are funded by big business, sometimes foreign big business, to make matters worst, and all they do is serve them by making the market more friendly to their practices.
The only socialist/communist aspect in all of this is that they government is abusing its power and being corrupt as fuck.
>>67895287
We don't loosen the rules, we grant privileges to crony capitalists. There's a difference.
>>67894360
Your PM literally came to speak at Harvard to explain the nordic model and complain about Berniefags describing Denmark as a socialist country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgrJnXZ_WGo
>>67895287
We are overrun with monopolies, It's the state that runs them ;~)
daily reminder
>>67893881
You're proving the OP's point, retard.
>>67895287
Because they are small countries with relatively little national security aspects within their economy. They rely most on trade with neighboring countries.
However, don't fear. Every time they messed with energy utilities they ended up in a monopoly so even they cannot figure that one out.
In any case it would not make sense for the US to follow suit.
The important thing is that natural monopolies are well regulated and all other markets are kept competitive.
>>67892942
We are socialist.
The state run a lot of stuff directly. What they don't control directly they control through unions.
>>67893772
The way I hear it, thanks to your ridiculous import/export regulations, everything in Norway is overpriced shit.
>>67895679
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?
Sweden and Norway are shitholes, why would i think of them????
>>67894109
>>67893950
Communism
>Government seizes control of the means of production and by extension the results of that production and then redistribute
Socialism
>government only seizes the results of production and redistributes that
>50%+ tax rates
>not socialism
WEW LAD
>>67894254
Dude if you're going to take one person as an example then say everyone from America is stupid, you're twice as dumb as he is
>>67895916
No, but you seem to struggle with understanding alternative economic systems. It's not all your fault, as they didn't quite teach us this stuff in school. Your ignorance still makes us look bad, though.
>>67896518
How, specifically, are Scandinavian policies such as the ones I posted not socialist in nature? It just looks like you're arguing semantics.
>>67896239
People who emigrated out of ex-commie countries have negative views of socialism but if you talk to foreign students who still live there they will sometimes surprise you.
A Siberian girl I met last year was an unapologetic commie in the most naive way possible.
>>67894586
In communism there is no state. Fucking Americans again. Dumb as fuck.
SOCIALISM. BY DEFINITION, IS THE STATE OWNERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. WANT ME TO SPELL IT OUT EVEN FURTHER?
>>67896920
Yes, that's the end goal of communism. Areyoi really going to argue that the redistribution of wealth is not a central tenant of socialism? Is this not a core government policy in Sandinavia? You can argue semantics all you want, they have pervasive socialist policies and are thus socialist.
>>67896655
Easy. Because they're still market economies that don't practice social ownership and democratic control of the means of production. Big welfare state =/= socialism
>they still think social democracy is a real thing and not code for national socialism
lmao
>>67895986
Better than America in all relevant way, way better educated, less poverty, less corruption, cheaper and faster internet with no data caps, better standard of living, more beautiful and so on and so forth
>>67898214
You forgot to mention:
>isolated
>irrelevant
>lacking any responsibility to the rest of the world
>vastly smaller, easier to manage, and homogeneous populations
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dude sweden lmao
