>americans think fascism is left wing
>>67888308
It is.
>>67888308
The left wing thinks it's right wing.
The right wing thinks it's left wing.
>>67888308
It litterally is.
>>67888308
Fascism is left wing because they don't suck Jewish cock, we right wingers like Jews because issues are made black and white to better monitor us.
>>67888357
its distinctly right wing
purity, unity, strength, opposition to weakness and dedication to efficiency
ITT
People not understanding that politics is placed on a multi axis spectrum. With strictly ecnonomics being on the x and usually leadership on the y (libertarian, authortarian)
>>67888357
>>67888494
No it isn't. This view is not taken seriously by any historians or anyone that knows their shit about political ideologies. Only by American neckbeards that are now or were libertarians.
>>67888308
individualism: right wing
collectivism: left wing
It's not that hard to understand, nigger.
>yuropoors don't realize it's a horse shoe
>>67888308
Liberalism is an enormous BLUFF foisted on the West by Jews. Liberalism leads directly to Communism.
>>67888740
thats not how it works canadacuck
>>67888914
Not exactly but it's a good first approximation.
>>67888308
any ultra authoritarian system is fascism . no matter if collectivist or individualist
>>67888632
Fascism, term declared by Mussolini, a socialist leader praised by Hitler another socialist. Fascism is literally socialism you dumb cuck.
>>67888719
Produce these "historians" faggot. Likely all left wing scum. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>67888308
Fascism is right wing.
>>67889063
It would fall under nationalism more so than socialism. It is socialist in the sense of tribalism and group altruism.
>>67888914
It is how it works for the general populace, plain old cuck.
>>67889214
You just shot yourself in the foot
>>67889247
individualist societies are a myth just like communist societies
>>67888308
Fascism has some socialist touches to it, since Mussolini started out as a socialist.
That's why Americans consider it leftwing. A more correct definition would be collectivist
Fascism that was practised by Italy and Germany chose elements of left and right wing, Hitler defined himself as a national socialist.
>>67888885
this confuses me . is she pregnant or just fat ?
>>67888308
>state capitalism
>absence of free trade
>wide-spread social programs
>magically not left-wing because it's authoritarian and promotes exclusive society
So... Stalin and Mao were right wing? Ho Chi Minh was right wing? They tick all the same boxes to a more extreme degree. You don't get to declare someone not something because they don't fit your perfect little fantasy of left-wing vs. right-wing.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It adopts booming rhetoric from left and right to gain mass appeal but ultimately it still retains private property, wage labour and the other traits of capitalism.
>>67888308
It's rooted in syndicalism you dumb nigger ahmed
>>67888308
Hurr durr socialism is right wing just because it includes loving your people huuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>67889626
It also redistributes wealth from heavy taxes into social programs, nationalizes considerable portions of industry, and employs a majority of workers through the state which are traits of a state approaching communism.
>>67890104
>Hurr durr
>>>/r/eddit
>>67889626
Exactly. Americans are too thick to get this. They don't even know a proper definition of socialism. They think the NHS is socialism. Lmfao.
>>67890447
>state owned corporate entity paid for by distributing portion of every employee inside the borders of the country
>not an aspect of socialism
>implying social programs aren't one of the defining aspects of socialism
>Britbongs in charge of definitions
Guess that's why we have more top universities than you.
Fascism isn't left wing, but leftists are fascists
>>67889444
No. Americans consider it left wing because they view the political spectrum as Authoritarian= Left and Anarchism = Right
It is left wing. Leftists are collectivist group thinkers. Right wingers are individually focused. Fascism, socialism, communism are all leftist ideas. They all say the same thing - give yourself up for the sake of a unifying idea - may it be to racial purity or to an ideology.
>>67890695
Americans really struggle with political definitions. why?
>>67891303
same reason a commie would say everyone is stupid for not defining everything as bourgeoisie scum or proletariat heroism
>>67890695
Listen up dumb dumb. You're conflating social democracy and socialism. Americans should just be banned from politics. Too stupid.
In European or Western politics, the left/right paradigm has actually become a anti-identitarian/identitarian paradigm. Identitarian parties are constantly categorized as "right-wing populist" or "far right", sometimes rightly so and sometimes not. Classical left/right dichotomies such as socialism vs. capitalism, moral relativism vs. religious piousness, personal freedom vs. obeying authority, democracy vs. monarchy, progress vs. reaction, or man as a fallen angel vs. man as a rising beast have been abolished for the new anti-identitarian vs. identitarian opposition.
A party that stands for the welfare state and for LGBT rights is left-wing, isn't it? No so fast: if it opposes immigration or is "islamophobic", it is suddenly a "right-wing populist" party (at least in the terminology of European journalists and politicians). In the same sense, other parties have moved to the left. The CDU, Germany's ruling party (headed by Angela Merkel) used to be the most right-wing party in the parliament. It opposes socialism and left-wing economical ideas, takes the lion's share of corporate political donations, and it is hesitant to accept gay marriage or legalize abortions. Now, a recent survey (12/2015) showed that the party is for the first time viewed as left of the political centre. The economic and social standpoints did not fundamentally change, but Merkel did invite millions of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa in 2015 - is that the reason the party is now suddenly deemed left-wing?. The rightmost party in the same survey is promoting a socialist welfare state and opposes American foreign policy. Why is it right-wing? Probably because it wants to halt all immigration and is staunchly nationalist (an ideology that was originally left-wing).
http://maps-and-tables.blogspot.com/2016/01/identities-in-globalized-world.html
fascism
ˈfaʃJz(ə)m/Submit
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
FASCISM IS FUCKING RIGHT WING YOU IGNORANT FUCKS!
>>67891484
>social democracy
That's another word for gibsmedat. NHS is nothing more than a handout program no different than welfare checks.
>>67888357
Jonah Goldberg is a retarded hack - stop paying attention to him.
>>67891646
That isn't the definition of socialism.
Why are americans so retarded?
>>67891563
That image is fucking horrible.
>>67890261
>It also redistributes wealth from heavy taxes into social programs, nationalizes considerable portions of industry, and employs a majority of workers through the state which are traits of a state approaching communism.
No, those are just naturally emergent features of government. A State that doesn't collect taxes, doesn't have social programs, doesn't have nationalized portions of the economy, and doesn't employ workers will quickly collapse.
The difference between capitalism and socialism isn't one of degrees. It's not as if there is a sliding scale of policies between capitalism and socialism, and increasing taxes (or whatever) moves the slider to the left
>>67888308
>thinking fascism itself belongs within a left right dichotomy
>>67893266
why
>>67889063
>Mussolini, a socialist leader
>Hitler, another socialist
>fascism is literally socialism
gr8 b8 m8
All depends on how you define your terms, your left-right spectrum, there are multiple interpretations out there.
You guys constantly waste your breath arguing shit when you can't even agree on definitions first.
>>67888357
STOP
>>67888308
>Pay for these criminals and lazy shits or we'll throw you in jail.
>Any kind of discussion on this is racism, and will ruin your life.
Seems pretty fascist to be honest family.
>>67888308
1776
>subhumans think fascism is a bad thing
>>67891223
murican education
>right-wing politics hold that some forms of social stratification or social inequality are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.
>Left-wing politics support social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.
>>67892291
Please, Achmed. Define me socialism. Enlighten me.
>>67896133
Thanks? What's your point, Furkan?
>>67893348
>doesn't have social programs, doesn't have nationalized portions of the economy, and doesn't employ workers will quickly collapse
Yes, because our state totally collapsed before 1936. It was just a hodge podge of shit from 1788 to fucking 1936. We didn't even exist outside of a collapsed entity.
>this is what tax and spend idiots believe
>>67888308
No, I think our left wing is fascist.
>>67895538
No there aren't. Its a Cartesian plane, 3D at most. 2D gives you enough.
Fascism and National Socialism are authoritarian centrism. They borrow from leftist authoritarianism via nationalization of things like defense, and borrow from right wing authoritarianism by having a regulated market economy for small business.
>>67896273
that there is a huge difference between a classless socailism without hierarchy ala karl marx and nationalistic "socialism" with racial inequality and strong hierarchy
>>67888308
That's just the right wing fags trying to justify their ignorance.
Fascism is literally 3rd way and combines elements of left and right
>>67888308
> anglos trying to say national-Socialism is not a left wing and thus fascism is not a leftist ideology
>>67891484
>You're conflating social democracy and socialism
>social democracy emerges from socialism
>it's literally democratic socialism
>not socialism because britcucks say
Should've let the Soviets have their way with you during the Suez Crisis instead of making you capitulate like a little bitch.
>>67896469
Classless socialism is communism. Socialism is a stepping stone to communism. Literally every "socialist" country follows Marx's rubric.
>>67896547
Pinko raus.
>>67896638
hitler did not follow marx's defintion of socialism
beeing authoritarian or not has nothing to do with beeing left or right... you should have lerned this in school.
>>67897295
>implying I am confusing social and economic factors for authoritarianism
>nationalized massive sectors of industry
>worked to abolish class disparity
>massive social reforms that dovetailed on the heels of literal commies
>not socialism
You are one dumb fucking Kraut. Are you a turkroach?
You fags can call collectivization left wing all you want, the difference between left and right on issues such as that all come down to the states intention.
>>67888308
>brits think beer batter is mouthwash
>>67897295
>hitler did not follow Marx's definition of socialism
And? He's still left wing. One empire, one people, one leader - that's as collectivist as it gets.
>>67897492
calling that socialism is an insult to people who lived through the hell hole of ex sovjet union.
Left and right are clearly defined in academics and just nationalizing some part of the eco doesnt make you a socialist... also hitler did not work for abolish class disparity, He banned trade unions and used slave labors.
>>67898109
>calling that socialism is an insult to people who lived through the hell hole of ex sovjet union
>Vanguard socialism is the only socialism
FUCK
>Left and right are clearly defined in academics and just nationalizing some part of the eco doesnt make you a socialist
Strawman.
>also hitler did not work for abolish class disparity
He did for ethnic Germans :^) You want to keep proving you're a Turk or are you going to fuck off now?
>>67898403
see:
>>67897583
nothing more to add
>>67899251
>seize the means of production and distribute the fruits among the people with the intention of improving economic disparity
>right-wing
You're right, nothing more to add, Turkroach.
>>67889539
US conservatives:
>state capitalism
>absence of free trade
>magically not left-wing because no social programs for poor
Face it. Today there are only left-wing and left-wing.
>>67899498
nice education you got there burger face
>>67899740
>US conservatives
>state capitalism
In what universe do American conservatives want the US government involved in industry. Also: Protectionism in and of itself is NOT a left-wing trait. It IS a symptom of attempted socialist autarky in proper context though.
>>67899755
Unfortunately for you, that's exactly what happened. Just replace "the people" with ethnic Germans. So yeah, it is a nice education. How many universities does Germany have in the top 25 globally ranked again? top 50? 0? Scheisse.
>>67900224
>In what universe do American conservatives want the US government involved in industry.
In the universe where republicans voted for bail out and republican President signed it.
>>67900224
hitler favored a mixed economy which everyone else has adapted by now regardlessof left or right. The point is that it comes down come down to the intention like building up and enforcing a hierarchy or equality.
Every serious school book or politcal sience book will put fascism and nazsim to the far right because of that.
>>67889063
Fascism is authoritarianism, it's not left or right biased. Examples:
>Islam
this is right wing fascism
>SJWism
this is left wing fascism
>>67888308
It is.
tolerance is a progressive ideal.
enforcing tolerance or intolerance both lead to fascism.
>>67900830
Remind me what industries the United States government nationalized through bailouts. Before you do, I want you to remember that state capitalism and interventionism are two completely different things and that the U.S. government has not and will never nationalize an industry.
>>67900857
>Every serious school book or politcal sience book will put fascism and nazsim to the far right because of that.
Every """"serious"""" school book puts political spectrums on a 2D plane which is just as retarded as you are. A mixed economy is BY DEFINITION left of center ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PURPOSE IT TO USE SAID NATIONALIZED INDUSTRY TO DECREASE ECONOMIC DISPARITY. I don't understand how you are so stupid. I thought it was ignorance, but you're actually fucking stupid.
>>67888740
That's bullshit
>>67888308
Only kikeservatives and right-wing cowards believe that.
>>67888308
fascism is north, not left or right. Government is fascist.
>>67888308
define right wing
>>67901406
>Remind me what industries the United States government nationalized through bailouts.
>he thinks nationalisation is mandatory for state capitalsim
>>67888308
Hitler was a vegetarian, painter, and a socialist.
>>67888308
True American conservatism has a strong libertarian/small government foundation. Right wing is conflated with conservatism.
Fascism is big government and therefore the opposite of American conservative, so it's conflated with left wing. The UK was founded on big gov retardedness so it gets messy.
>>67901942
Nationalization of some industry is by definition a requirement of state capitalism.
>State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e., for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, WHERE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION ARE ORGANIZED AND MANAGED AS STATE-OWNED BUSINESS ENTERPRISES
It's almost as if American conservatives don't want any part of that. In fact, they want the exact opposite of that.
>former commie education in charge of defining actual economic systems
>>67901406
you are retarded
its does not come down to just economics
i posted the definition of left and right wing politics. Also hitler politics did not decrease economic disparity at all.
>>67888308
Fascism is leftwing.
>>67897725
And left wing vs right wing has never had anything to do with collectivism vs individualism, this is just a weird libertarian meme. Nationalism has generally been associated with the right historically and is now and nationalism is inherently collectivist.
>>67889626
>>67890447
Hi /leftypol/
>>67891303
Conservative means a lot of things depending on the founding principles of the nation.
What about on this scale?
>>67888308
Fascism is a movement of the right. Nazism is fascism melded with Bolshevism. Just watch a Paul Gottfried video on YouTube
>>67891223
that assumes that a liberal perspective is the only conflicting narrative with every other.
>>67902353
>1932
>Germans can't buy bread without a literal wheelbarrow of marks
>1934
>Poor Germans can afford luxury items such as radios and automobiles
Wew lad.
>i posted the definition of left and right wing politics
You posted a one dimensional definion of left and right wing which is fucking idiotic and I have posted several times why it is fucking idiotic and you admit that one dimensional political definitions are idiotic with THIS STATEMENT:
>its does not come down to just economics
Which we have already been over.
For the 15th fucking time. National Socialism are BY BOTH 2D AND 3D DEFINITIONS, LEFT OF CENTER AUTHORITARIAN
Continue to be retarded. I don't give a fuck anymore. Should've fucking nuked you like the Japs. Maybe you'd get smart like they did.
>>67902845
They actually never got the cars, they paid in but very few cars were ever made. It was a giant ponsi scheme.
>people in this thread saying collectivism is left wing
Historically rightists scorned the left for disrupting the unity of the people. Right stood for tradition and order and anything wishing to change that is left.
Regardless of nuances, fascism has always identified more with the right. Hitler and Mussolini rose to power on their promises to and support from traditionalists and conservatives.
>>67902331
>Nationalization of some industry is by definition a requirement of state capitalism.
Nope. You can control and manage corporations without owning it. In Nazi Germany private corporations didn't stop to exist.
>>67902845
With a leader or not, humans will work and become industrious to improve their own well-being. No one waits around for a savior. Even in the most poor or despotic countries, if there is some semblance of a market, eventually economic conditions will improve. Even in poor countries in South America or Africa today, the standard of living is much better than they were years before, simply because of economic activity.
>>67903075
>control and manage them
>somehow don't own them
>>67903075
Stop playing Victoria 2. What you are talking about is called a mixed economy not state capitalism.
>>67902627
No Rothbard, who made this?
>>67903067
This. Libertarianism is inherently left wing. It is anti-tradition as much as marxism is.
>>67902627
I am political science student and i like this.
If nothing else it else shows that classical liberals are closer to what americans call libertarians than to the current american left.
ITT: people in this board getting confused with Fascism (economic system) and fascism (the incorrect Jewish definition of being intolerant of certain views or practice)
left wing can definitely be the Jewish definition of fascist.
>>67903307
I googled it, it's from politisite.com
I used it since it shows fascism on the right
>>67888486
Therefore, it's centrist.
>>67888308
I fucking hate this stupid argument.
Fascism is neither leftist nor rightist.
It's a sort of radical middle-class congealing of the worst ideas of both.
>>67902845
you are using a one dimensional definiton of breaking left and right to just how free the market are which is just wrong and not the academic consensus.
think of catholic collectivism who would burn gay people... no one would call them left wing because they dont believe in free markets...
>>67888308
>Americans think
>>67903775
You have to agree the left/right is primarily a economic divide tho
>>67888308
Fascism and communism are such meme words they've lost all definite meaning. Each side claims the other is a fascist or communist for doing something they don't like.
However, it is a fact that the National Socialist German Workers Party and the Falange Party in Spain (pre-Franco) were both socialistic and had anti-capitalist sentiment. They were no proponents of capitalism as a necessary trait like the the Republican Party in the US, or libertarian parties in other countries. The Nazis supported paid vacations, free healthcare, and other welfare measures.
Mussolini's fascism was different however, since he directly described it as being a form of nationalist-corporatism; though it did have socialist elements, and Mussolini came from a family of socialist party activists.
I'm not sure of the other economic ideologies of the other fascist parties like the Iron Guard in Romania, or the ones in Hungary and elsewhere. Maybe somebody else ITT can give some info.
>>67904094
Nationalistc corporatism is the word. And it isn not unique to Italy either, And its not even the most interesting of the fascist ideologies.
Tiso's regime in Slovak State was Nationalistic Clerical Corporatism. Well it tried to be, they never really achieved full corporatism because being a rural and un-urbanized country there was not much to build upon so in practice it was mostly really just clerical fascism.
>>67903748
It frequently turned into that but at its core fascism was a reaction against the liberal ideas of the French Revolution, the ideas that led to both laissez faire capitalist democracy and the egalitarian ideals that formed the root of marxism. Fascism is based more on semi-irrational concepts like emotionalism and vitalism and was an attempt to find a governmental and economic system that better reflected an order rooted in nature and timeless non-ideological principles.
>>67892291
There's two memes going on here.
1.) "Socialism" is where you can still have private property, but the state redistributes wealth to help the "working class" more often, and "social democracy" describes this system as being a democratic one; whereas it could also exist undemocratically, such as in places like Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
2.) "Socialism" is just synonymous with "communism" where the goal is to have no state, no private property, and everybody shares everything because it's a magical theoretical world.
So which one is it? Pick one and stop shitting on people for thinking either one is correct.
it is you faggot
left wing = big government
right wing = small government
it's not right wing = evil bad guys and left wing = good guys like the media wants you to think
>>67904994
I hope you are saying that both of these are retarded, because they are.
>>67901118
best answer
>>67905321
I don't agree with full communism. I also don't think economic systems should be the primary concerns of a society, either. I'm more devoted to preserving culture and ethnicity.
That's not the point of my previous post though. I'm just trying to get these leftyfags to cough-up a definition for "socialism", because it seems "socialism" changes its meaning often to suit whatever argument they're trying to make at the time.
>>67905219
This is the modern American version of left and right not the historical or even current European one.
>>67905718
>This is the American version, not the completely retarded version.
>Why would you use the American version, IDIOT? You wouldn't want to be AMERICAN, would you?
americans think fascism is left wing
>>67905219
that's the exact opposite you fucking retard
people use "left" to refer to communist hippies nowadays, but left means more freedom, and right means less freedom.
I understand that this will offend you because you read on reddit that it's something else, but please just do some research and you will find that this is true.
>>67905604
What i meant is that these definitions are fucking stupid. I am not a leftist, but i think its pretty hard to define what socialism is. I mean it's no solid set of clean cut ideas like laissez-faire is so its understandable various people interpret it differently.
Thats why people make up the different crutches like social democracy and so on.
Scandinavian welfare states are socialism in practice just like Communist authoritatian regime was. To give one solid answer is pretty impossible tbqh.
>>67888308
get the fuck out
>>67905801
It's retarded because it ignores centuries of European political history, development and philosophy and replaces it with a 20th century American cuckservative meme that is essentially meaningless and rooted in a retarded and shallow philosophy that basically centres around muh constitution.
>>67896469
>>67897295
Definitions of socialism existed prior to Marx, also.
A lot of it came from concepts derived by intellectuals in the French Revolution. So, saying somebody doesn't have REAL socialist policies for not following Marx is a bit of misnomer.
>>67905876
If that were the actual paradigm, then why on earth would anybody use it?
You call him a redditor, but then you just say "EDUCATE YOURSELF, SHITLORD" and run away.
>>67906058
European political history is pointless and barbarous. Everything good was appropriated by the United States at its foundation, then later abandoned by you.
Your spectrum is nonsensical. The only logical way is to plot countries from left to right from governmental power. The most powerful go on the left, the least powerful go on the right. You people just arrange them based on your emotions.
>>67905876
No, left means egalitarianism. Right means clear notions of superiority and inferiority. This reached an apex in national socialist Germany with biological materialism, racialism and eugenics.
>>67905219
>right wing
>ever small government
Literally Reaganite/Thatcherite memeshit.
>>67905968
I made the definitions simple and childish on purpose to illustrate my frustrations, but also to cut-away all the extra shit they were trying to tack-on to the definition of "socialism".
Like you said, it's hard to define; but those were the two general ideas most people have.
>>67906505
Okay, fair point.
>>67906411
Then is a tribal society that refuses to host other races right wing? And a tribal society that accepts other races equally is left wing? So the same governmental structure can fall on both ends of the spectrum? Useless paradigm.
>>67906260
No, American political history is worthless because America is a constitutional country founded on memes rather than a real living, breathing organic entity and has done nothing but inject the west with the worst forms of toxic consumerism and anti-tradition degeneracy. Why would someone of traditionalist/conservative sentiments want to be like America?
>>67888308
"left" and "right" are not valid. Utter shite.
Examine your political views. Sit yourself down and think.
Hopefully your stance is scattered across 'liberal', 'conservative' or whatever.
>a strong military?
fascist.
>free healthcare?
communist.
>taxes?
communist.
>want out of the EU?
fascist.
Fucking hell. This shit is unbelievable.
>>67889042
rofl mohamed stop
>>67888308
Think of it as a circle. You can get to it either direction.
>>67888308
Authoritarianism can be both left or right, but hitler and the gommie mass muderers were all left wing
>>67891566
kek
>>67889359
>Switzerland is a myth
Sure thing.
the political scale is a circle and far right fascism and far left communism meet at one end
>>67906449
Are you trying to say up is down now?
Literally the more left-wing a government gets, the bigger its bureaucracy gets, trying to redistribute more shit to people and creating safe space laws, mandates for hiring and privilege based on being a nigger or being a woman, etc. Therefore more right-wing (in the American capitalist, individualist sense) equals less government.
>>67906769
We were founded on oppression, enlightenment, and revolution you ahistorical quack. Leave your pathetic European cognition out of this and tell me what concrete structure, if any, lies behind your arbitrary paradigm.
>>67906691
I don't know what you're talking about. Tribalism is pre-political and doesn't really fit on any spectrum.
>>67888308
Economically centrist, or center left, socially hard-right? Would that be fair?
The thing is, the repugnant thing about fascism isn't it's economic views. If thew worst thing Hitler had ever done is build the autobahn I don't think he'd be quite the celebrity he is.
>>67888308
Well Antifa are fascists and left wing so...
>>67907111
You're a meme nation that's taken "freedom" to a ridiculous degree and thus introduced all sorts of toxicity into other white nations, along with "melting pot" ideas. American individualism is anti-ethno nationalism and if it wasn't for that the justifications for immigration would have no basis ("how does it affect YOU personally!? We are all people!")
>>67907189
>socially hard-right
Hehehehe memes. Nobody was vouching for gay stuff at the time. The German laborer party was a revolutionary party. It is the only thing that crushed old school aristocracy in Germany which had remained entrenched even with Weimar. It tried to destroy the independence and influence of churches (particularly Catholic but also Lutheran branches). It had a raging hate boner against independent entrepreneurs.
All these things aren't quite clearly defined as "right or let" if they ever can. But I wonder what is "socially hard right" here.
>>67907178
>Pre-political
There is no such thing. So long as you have a mandated force, you have politics. I believe that tribalism is quite similar to your barbarous monarchy: An arbitrary leader elected by way of force and heredity.
>>67907619
You complain that your incompetent nations are unable to properly understand our storm of ingenuity, and thereby kill themselves believing it to be the secret to our success. We do not share your failure, and it is entirely your fault. You do not matter anyway, so don't think that we will be guilted into becoming as sorry as you.
>>67907911
>Anarchy = freedom
ok
The new American Fascism will be left of center. We will have single payer healthcare for every citizen. Coal and oil sands reserves will be nationalized. The system currently in use in the armed service academies will be extended into other spheres to train public servants.
>>67907911
The one on right is a bit better but i still cant take anything that includes libertarianism.
Its essentially what burgers call classical european liberalism.
>>67908112
It is freedom from government, mongrel. Do try to keep your limited mental ability from embarrassing yourself.
>>67901118
this
>>67907064
>Are you trying to say up is down now?
No, the notion of the right wing being 'small government' has never been correct. You speak of the authoritarianism of the left while ignoring how those on the right wish to dictate behavior on matters like drugs or marriage, talk about 'small government' while barking about security, defend continual funding and expansion of the military industrial complex, and how 'red states' are some of the largest recipients of welfare.
Right wingers are some of the least individualist people on earth, and it makes sense because historically the right has supported the traditionalist institutions (the monarchy, the church, the military). "Right wing = small government" is just Cold War bullshit right wingers hypocritically cling to and Republicans spout while being just as "big government" as the Democrats.
>>67907678
They didn't crush the aristocracy. Even pandered to them eventually and killed off that element of the party that wanted to crush the aristocracy. They did try and take the church out of politics though.The key difference is really the internationalist and egalitarian principles that underlied the democratic socialist mentality. Economics was never the primary concern of the Nazis.
>>67908112
>muh positive rights
I wonder, what are you free of (using the term in politics) if not from coertion? Ebin "freedom from want"?
>>67908317
>Wanting to make certain things illegal is the same as wanting to control the behavior of the public and render it subservient to the government
You're drowning in identity politics.
>>67907911
Nope. Money doesn't matter really. The degenerate nature of American culture and how consumerism and greed has shaped it should be obvious.
>>67908516
That's what it essentially is. You're splitting hairs, collectivist.
>>67908693
Are you actually insinuating that it's totalitarian for a government to ban anything? That's absurd. Governments on every end of every spectrum ban or legalize different things completely independently from their positions on that spectrum.
>>67893348
In other words a state that doesn't actually do anything can't be called a state.
>>67908616
If money doesn't matter then why did your mercantilist empire seek to dominate the oceans and the world's trade?
>>67908905
Because Britain is also degenerate.
>>67908826
I'm insinuating that the right can be as authoritarian as the left and their policies showcase their collectivism. You seem to be swerving off course. Stay on track.
>>67909020
I believe that, at this point, there is nothing I could say that would make you look worse.
>>67908330
The aristocracy was brought down by the nazis. They only remained relevant in the army as officiers and were over represented by a factor of (a lot don't remember numbers) in the movements against the regime because Hitler had fucked them over.
Burgers here use left and right meaning, at least as first approximation, as a form of government interference in life (mostly business but not only).
Internationalism was a meme in the hard leftist countries. Vietnamese, Koreans, Indians, Angolans, Algeria, Russians, ..., all of them were very nationalist. All the same "intellectuals" bashing nationalism in the west for universalism were the most vocal sycophants of national movements outside the west. Even not counting these double standards, just read Ho Chi Minh and Mao ... and try to look for anti-nationalism. Guess they were hard right.
>>67909287
Authoritarianism is mostly independent from the left-right paradigm and shouldn't be considered. Only governmental structure should be considered. Your gripe is addressed by the Cartesian political paradigm that plots "authoritarianism vs. libertarianism" on a y axis.
Fascism is the "third way", neither reactionary or socialist. It is made by taking certain ideas from every political ideology and putting them together. Look up the original manifesto
>>67909489
That one's crap. This one is superior: >>67902627
Politics concerns more than government structure.
