This is why Germany NEEDS mass Muslim migration
>>67879230
eternal anglo pls
>>67879230
That would make sense if the migrates weren't receiving welfare.
>>67879230
Finally a job for everyone.
Can't see the problem except muh taxes
>>67879230
why do countries need high population numbers? because they need a large number of well-behaved taxpayers. a surge of akmeds will do nothing but add turmoil to the situation
>hurr having some living space is a bad thing
It's working great for Japan
You just want to replace them all with shitskins
http://www.unz.com/isteve/due-to-a-lack-of-mass-immigration-japan-is-plagued-by-a-rising-standard-of-living/
>>67879552
more people=more dedt=more money for jewish bankers
>>67879230
Europa needs real demographic politics, no immigration.
/thread
>>67879609
*debt
>youth unemployment is too high!
>we need immigrants to sustain the population
pick one, and one only
>>67879471
Socialist system requires constant human growth for economic growth.
>>67879230
Uh-huh, same way UN projections in 2008 were putting Russia in 2050 at 70 million people.
>>67879230
oh no, housing becomes affordable, there's less welfare because all jobs are filled, and the few, few, engineering positions that are needed stays the same.
how horrible
>>67879667
That's a myth
you can print money any time you like to afford anything.
See: US printing trillions to give to Goldman Sachs
>>67879230
>muh pensions
get fucked. Even with mass immigration the pension system will collapse
>>67879230
With the money they're paying for refugees right now they can rebuild Syria AND INCREASE THEIR BIRTH RATES WITH CAMPAIGNS TAX CUTS FREE APPARTMENTS FOR MOTHERS ETC
we had less than 70 million in the 1950's and nobody thought that we absolutely need another 10 million people. importing millions of welfare leeches wo't have any beneficial effect anyway.
>>67879734
Those engineers can get better wages elsewhere and leave the country?
Or not. I dunno.. I don't understand this jew science. :/
>>67879230
I see nothing wrong with the purple line. Why not have a government who acknowledges the issue and plans for it. Why is degrowth automatically bad?
>>67879609
so the jews win and the whites lose. now you see why we dont like it
>>67879230
How does bumping up population numbers with 3rd world turds make any germans life better?
I would rather have a lower population
>>67879862
the number of engineers employed is relatively static in a country. fewer people competing for engineering positions means wages will rise.
how awful.
we should be more like china, where there are so many engineers they barely make more money than some shitkicker job.
that sounds like a better solution.
>>67879230
>This is why Germany NEEDS mass Muslim migration
or...
Maybe...
just wait for it....
They can fix their birth rates instead. If the government spent as much on fertility programs and encouraging Germans to have families as they do importing mudslimes, the problem would be solved.
>>67879667
Is that why the USSR killed so many people?
>>67879858
OP is much worse than a pyramid scheme -- at least the pyramid scheme has a net benefit for the initial investors.
>population projections
>>67879716
This pretty much.
>>67879900
Because it becomes a security concern.
>>67879667
>economic growth
Why do we need it? It can't grow forever
>>67879950
What about other kind of capital flights? Any country where less people work (vs retired population) has got to yield less profits for our corporate overlords...?
>>67880009
How?
>>67879951
>If the government spent as much on fertility programs and encouraging Germans to have families
But anon, that's anti-feminist! Can't have that in the West! We're all equal, this means we can just import people for anywhere in the world and we'll be fine!
>>67879900
You need a large workforce to pay for the pensions of all the retirees who gave themselves big pension handouts but didn't have any kids to pay for them, or something like that.
>>67880106
>yield less profits for our corporate overlords
oy it's like anudda shoa
>>67879230
Because replacing your population with a foreign population is a solution.
Kill yourself, Marxist scum.
>>67880186
The pension is unsustainable. Most of Europe it is far too generous. In the UK something like 200bn a year (a third all government spending). This is a result of parties of all stripes buying votes for decades with more and more gimmes. And no party will win on a platform of getting rid of the gimmes. People are selfish retards for the most part.
>>67879230
Germany only wanted migrants because the white german population was too educated and they need mudshits to do menial jobs nobody wants to,do. Now that the automation age has arived, thers no need for migrants.
>>67879230
couple this with job automization rate and you might come to a different conclusion, eternal anglo scum :^)
Ban birth control.
There, I just fixed the problem
>>67879230
>>67880355
>Most of Europe it is far too generous
It isn't at least for white people. The problem is when you let in shitskins that have 20 kids, refuse to work and dedicate their entire lives to collecting welfare and creating more warrior for allah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcuWqw2tT8
>>67879900
as the other anon pointed out the german pension system is set up so that the currently working people finance the ones who are not working anymore ( apparently its called PAYGO in english).
unfortunately immigration in germany has a record of making this problem worse rather than better.
>>67879230
Culture and national identity is more important than economics.
>>67879230
>Germany NEEDS mass Muslim migration
That's funny it has to be muslim since, because I'm sure there are plenty of asians and even slavs that would leave everything they have, right now and move to germany for a fresh start.
I mean seriously they can just allow open application for citizenship and get millions of possible candidates.
>>67879230
found the real one
>>67879230
A decline in population, in white western societies, is due to muh feminism and shit. So, no, they don't need immigration. They need to genocide the left and get their fucking white women to start making babies again.
>>67880489
economically speaking nothing is worse than mass immigration
It's a huge financial burden and it skyrockets costs of real estate increasing debt and stagnating wages.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/real-wages-and-living-standards-the-latest-uk-evidence/
>>67880625
Soooooo... you're a racist?
Instead of mass immigration how about solving the root of the problem for low German birth rates?
Otherwise...the current state of Germany (and Europe in general) is slow but steady genocide. And guess who's behind mass immigration and multiculturalism of white nations?
Jews.
>>67880559
a decline in population would be a great thing
the problem is that would a decline in population would lead to a decline in debt, which isn't good for "bankers"
>>67880625
not to forget it fucks over the working class, especially the poor
>>67880736
there is no problem with low birth rates
the problems is that Africans/3rd worlders have high birth rates
If babies are still being born, population decrease won't be a problem because those that aren't having kids will die off and those that are still making babies will continue to do so and the population will increase again. Also, because it's a slow decrease, things like jobs can be adjusted at the same the pace.
Why the hell do people think this is an issue?
>>67879230
Or encourage Germans to have kids
>>67880760
a quality post coupled with a US flag
rare sight, neato
>>67880736
They won't fix birth rates because it clashes directly with feminism. Until we have artificial wombs affordable for the general public, feminism will always be a tight noose around a culture's neck.
>>67879230
The point of the EU is to get immigrants from Eastern Europe.
>>67879230
Oh no!
You mean population sizes naturally adapt to the amount of resources (work) available?
Better import more leeches.
>>67879630
Heh fucking this
>>67880534
yours is actually less deceptive. even though both are blatant lies. at least you show your Y axis scale honestly.
fuck faggots with deceptive infoshits on pol.
>>67879230
Cut welfare and it's not a problem.
Encourage families and it's not a problem.
Encourage child birth and it's not a problem.
Fix the economy and it's not a fucking problem.
Children are too expensive and women are too bitchy to bother with in this day and age. In Australia at least, children cost about 400k each, add onto that a 500k house (not including interest), you're expected to blow 840k before your (expected) 2.1 kids are 18 and 1.3 mill before you retire, that's not counting basic your personal living costs, taxes, entertainment, retirement fund, divorce, etc.
What the fuck is the point? What do you get out of it? Why not just not do those things?
>>67879230
Pur politicians reason the same way; we need more immigrants to uphold the welfare. But what they don't really want to ackknowledge is that the immigrants themselves only worsen the problem because the majority don't get jobs, all they end up doing is cashing in welfare.
A few years ago a report came to the conclusion that immigrants (foreign born) make up 15 % of the population but consume 60 % of the social services costs.
European economies ARE NOT built on shit educated people working in factories, and immigrants are extremely poorly educated on average. Our economies are depending on niche expertise, high education, innovation, high productivity.
For every 10 immigrants we get 7 are welfare leechers after 15 years.
Immigration to Europe must stop or we'll go under, both financially and ethnically.
>>67880815
Africa needs population control asap.
The way I see it, the elites do not need whites anymore. They developed everything that will be needed for the automation revolution. Now they have become a liability.
>>67880840
>Why the hell do people think this is an issue?
Boomers expect us to take care of them.
>>67879614
>/threading your own post
Oh... t.that's so embarrassing...
>>67880937
>What the fuck is the point? What do you get out of it? Why not just not do those things?
This.
Going to be fun watching the world burn.
>>67880760
This is the answer.
>>67879230
Maybe if Germans were encouraged to breed and weren't shamed into hating themselves for muh holocaust we wouldn't be in this situation.
the root of the problem(low birth rates) cannot be tackled because it is a direct consequence of our ("we" as in the "western" world) values (equality and liberty). whats the point in surviving when you have to give up your values to do so? we really can only pray and hope that there is a cultural shift that suddenly makes it "cool" again to be a housewife. either that or artificial wombs.
>Native birthrate plummets.
>The solution is to import uncivilized welfare leeches.
>>67880937
>Encourage families and it's not a problem.
>Encourage child birth and it's not a problem.
Hell no.
That will happen:
- White women will still only have one or two children, because they have a career.
- Nigs and Muslims will have more children to leech off child welfare.
Most high high pop countries are third world. Is this just coincidence?
The skeptic in me thinks this is strictly about maintaining gdp for Jew bankers.
Yes population is declining but that is natural. It will stabilise and increase again.
Germany does not need low-skilled Muslim immigrants. Within the next 20 years, all of these low-skilled positions will be replaced by robots. This will create a mess as the Muslims just live off the welfare and continue to reproduce like rats. Let's not forget that the average IQ of a Syrian is around 80.
>>67881170
That's why you stop importing them and start deporting the refugees, colgate.
Also, the first point is very important, cut welfare, the majority should self deport.
>>67881170
>edgy edgy edgy edgy
>muh identity politics
you right wing cuckolds swallowed the biggest scam of the century. a few hundred brown people on TV and you lose your shit.
Slight demographic decline is not necessarily bad, especially for a country like Germany, which to my honest opinion is, if anything, over-populated. The only debatable argument is about pensions. But it is the pension system that needs to be abolished, not German identity. Well that's what I think. Apparently the average boomer prefers to cuck his grandchildren into living in a caliphate inspired land rather than abandon late age gibsmedat that he didn't even have to pay for his own elders.
Second, and more important, why would the incomers need to be muslims? If anything, I would take anything but muslims.
>>67881334
>The only debatable argument is about pensions
thats a very big issue actually.
how you think old people should feed themselves?
i agree though, obviously muslim immigration is only making it worse.
>>67880982
They have population control.
Its just we keep giving them food and instead of eating it to not starve they use it to make more babies who then need more food.
We cant stop "supporting" africa because racism.
>>67879230
I'm sick of the random, inconsistent way the politicians and media present this issue. Muslims are asylum seekers and refugees fleeing warzones one moment, making the question a temporary and humanitarian one, but then suddenly they're also the solution to a shrinking work force, even though a refugee isn't expected to stay. It's absolutely disingenuous to conflate both arguments, but it seems every measure is taken to make islamic influx palatable.
>>67881461
How we deal with it is n% of our wages are forcefully removed and placed into a retirement fund (which can "go missing" if the banks fuck up investing).
The generations growing up with the retirement fund have it the worst though, not only do they have that n% taken out for the fund but they have y% taken out to pay for the current faggots on the pension.
>>67881628
I cannot wait until Europe and America decide fuck you guys my country comes first.
>>67881461
Here people used to save money and invest massively in their pension funds (that were not completely corrupt). Every single poor farmer had at least some safe obligations.
Then glorious German manlet socialist came and put in power Pétain that declared that this was unfair for muh poor little old people and declared a pension system that is borderline Ponzi scheme. Over time this system has has gone worse in all western countries.
The people that got through this transition phase (60s-early 2000s) are the first beneficiaries of it because they only had to pay little to their elders (both because of young overall population and much less gibsmedat entitlement from old people) but became massive burdens themselves and they didn't have children.
>>67881461
Our economy is still growing well, even though the work force declines due to aging and automatization. The solution to the pension problem is to decouple them from wages and instead finance them through taxes that directly depend on the state of the economy, i.e. corporate or sales taxes.
You do NOT solve such a problem by importing millions of unemployable welfare drains.
The wealth and growth to finance pensions is there, it's just not being tapped in our antiquated model.
>>67879230
I'd rather see Germans die out than be subdued by shitskins fuck you.
>>67879230
i guess this is bait - it only can be except you are a leftwing populist - but nevertheless... they would need QUALIFIED MIGRATION. period. for sure not exclusive from muslim countries and in the actual shape.
but even this position depends only an the tax based pension-system. otherwise in an era of decreasing ressources and overpopulation nothing would speak against downsizing. its called "gesundschrumpfen" in german.
>>67881733
The end goal is to replace white-Europeans. They'll confusingly conflate arguments left and right, and that's because none of those reasons were the real reason they want them here. It's all about replacing white people. In France, it even has a label "Le Grand Remplacement."
>>67879609
>more people=more dedt=more money for jewish bankers
And also lower wages for German workers=more money for Jewish capitalists
>>67880534
Source from study?
>>67882613
Common sense after figuring out what happens when you import a group of people that hate your culture.
They breed.
They kill you.
Germany ceases to exist.
>>67881321
I'm a socialist.
And how is it "edgy" when it's true?
>>67881244
Stopping the influx won't fix it.
The ones already here will breed, breed, breed if you pay them to do so.
Unlike whites, who can make more money from a 2nd job than from popping out babies.
>>67883539
National?
>>67883708
That's why I said deport them and cut welfare.
>Le constant growth meme
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a negative birth rate. In fact it's very good for the job market. Less competition means companies have to actually proved a good position for people to be interested in and can't just dump wages like a motherfucker and still get retards who do the job(s).
The only one getting disadvantaged by this is investment jews who run on debt and can't exploit as many people now. Gee I wonder why suddenly all these same people support mass immigration. It's literally a ploy to keep the ponzi scheme going.
>>67883809
>I said deport them and cut welfare.
No, you said boost welfare for families with many children.
>>67884322
No I didn't, I said encourage families and children.
You can encourage without welfare you know. Not demonizing the nuclear family would be a start.
>Fly Mexicans over to Germany.
>USA illegal immigration solved
>Germany gets hardworking immigrants who are 100x better than Muslim rapists
>>67879230
REDPILL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY ASAP
THE CRUSADE APPROACHES
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs
Also, these vids in order lay things out pretty well.
MAGA
The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide
The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI
also see
The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOn9MuFimo
Cultural Marxism in action, polictical correctness. The tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM
Does this sound familar at all?
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412
The Holocaust
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFkzTCyG8c0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
Whats wrong with low populations?
Japan is managing just fine.
So is Finland.
>>67884673
True, and our population is, compared to size of country, on a high level.
But jewish propaganda knows better..
>>67883870
you. I like you.
>>67880736
>for low German birth rates
The problem there is that they've managed to convince the great mass of people that there is an overpopulation problem, and it's the white man's burden to solve it by not having too many children, because "we know better than that".
>>67879764
>you can print money any time you like to afford anything.
Good to know
>>67884673
Works fine as long as you aren't a welfare state.
The moment you're a welfare state you need >=2.1 births per couple because someone needs to pay for the older generation(s).
>>67885672
Sweet font
>>67885821
It's worth more than the note it's printed on, kek.
>>67885672
>comparing nigger countries to white countries
k
>>67879230
I am sick of this fucking lie that responsible birthrates are a negative.
The whole world needs to lose a couple of billion people if resources are to be sustained and the environment protected.
Responsible birthrates in decent countries are not bad; what's bad is 3rd world over-population. But you leftists keep spinning it as browth must be maintained no matter the cost to everything else.
It's like you're actively trying to ill the planet.
