What would be the consequence of electing someone with the kind of agenda that Bernie Sanders holds? Will it result the distribution of wealth to undeserving precipitants or will it really empower the people for the betterment of our country?
I know nearly nothing about economics let alone politics and just want to make sure I'm not feeding the flame of arrogance by voting for the wrong candidate.
What are your thoughts /mu/?
The country would be gridlocked for 4 years
>>67856304
>precipitants
fuck. I meant recipients
>>67856388
please explain. I'm autistic, you see.
Genocide
>>67856304
>undeserving
Everyone is born with different resources. Plenty of people are fucked from birth. I think by "undeserving" you mean people who had shitty parents.
>lucky people deserve more
?
>>67858056
>I think by "undeserving" you mean people who had shitty parents.
I really don't know. I just hear a lot of people making this argument. That people who don't deserve the money being taxed from the rich are going to use it for junk food or diapers for their 10 kids while on welfare, and the country is going to be sucked dry by this continuous cycle of low standards.
Power to the State does not mean power to the people
Bernie's agenda is unworkable in the current state of America
What's more he doesn't have the dealmaking capacity or gumption to actually move things in that direction either
Bernie is as entitled as his supporters, his dogged idealism is the very reason he would be a horrible president
You need to be willing to do shit you don't want to as President and when the time comes force people to obey you
Bernie is incapable of doing that, he's too nice and has long since abandoned his Jew-jitsu powers of manipulation
That's why the description of him as a cuck is a lot more than just pedantic shitflinging, it really does exemplify his entire modus operandi
>>67858760
>>67858806
thinking these responses over.
>>67856865
Congress would not let him do anything that he wants to do.
>>67856304
If not gridlock, the collapse and the balkinization of the US. Along with the selling of our natural resources to help cover the massive debt we have and already incurred. 19trillion or so.
>>67858056
Unfortunately people that are born into shitty families do not tend to develop into useful people. Environment is important.
Giving money and opportunities isn't enough to actually change a person.
My parents read to me, taught me things, encouraged my to explore, fed me nutritious food and introduced me to intelligent people.
Poor people won't get that no matter what you do because their parents are simply too stupid to provide it.
Lower class people almost always produce inferior offspring even when you do not consider genetics.
The rule of the upper class is legitimate. The cycle cannot be overcome.
>>67858806
>That's why the description of him as a cuck is a lot more than just pedantic shitflinging, it really does exemplify his entire modus operandi
>"feel the bern"
It all makes sense now.
Simply put, when people who produce nothing (like sanders and his followers) control & hamper people who actually work/produce, shit goes downhill.
>>67859684
>Poor people won't get that no matter what you do because their parents are simply too stupid to provide it.
>Lower class people almost always produce inferior offspring even when you do not consider genetics.
>The rule of the upper class is legitimate. The cycle cannot be overcome.
this sounds like some sort of cult philosophy, and is a very narrow minded and stereotyped way of interpreting the entirety of society.
>>67860151
How can a parent teach their child something that they do not themselves know?
This isn't just about knowledge either. It is about outlook and world view.
When you come from a powerful family it is hard to even relate to the things that lower class people say. They are running a completely different operating system designed for a completely different environment.
They do not understand how the world really works at the level of decision makers and it cannot really be taught to an adult that was not brought up properly.
You need to develop the core cognitive tools as a child when your brain is still developing.
It would be extremely painful
>>67856304
The election of Bernie Sanders would be evident to a new revolution around a simple fact:
>Americans can collectively decide the fate of the world with the power of their votes.
Bernie's election would force politicians to act in the people's favor over their self interests, and their opposition would mean their swift removal at the ballot box and eventual Democrat domination of all Congress throughout Bernie's incumbency.
It would also mean that the Democratic party would be irreversibly changed by this process, driven by a new fired up legion of voters across the country instead of the small concentrations of poverty-stricken party faithful. New leadership, new priorities, new philosophy to combat the rich and fight for the poor.
Thats if he becomes president, anyway.
>>67860675
One of the biggest examples of this is when people say things like "why does anyone need a billion dollars? They would never be able to spend it all!" when they are talking about someones net-worth.
This shows a complete lack of understanding of what money is, what capital is and what it is really for.
Capital is for production not consumption. When you take capital from proven producers you impoverish the world.
>>67860103
Where in his policies, does it ever suggest that a transfer of power will occur? Everyone is quick to label him a socialist, and yet it seems like what he wants to do it basically put some common sense regulations into businesses and their influence on policy making. The current conduct within the states is pathetic for a first world country, and without reform, it will just continue to degrade until it gets to how Brazil is right now.
>>67860675
you're literally just making this crap up. You're making these nonexistant rules and you sound like an obnoxious teenage edgelord who's been browsing 'alpha-class threads' on /b/ until your eyes bleed.
>>67860933
this is sweet sweet music to my lower class ears.
>>67860675
This sounds like grade A projection. Do you really think you're limited to just how your parents act, and your environment growing up? Think more critically next time.
>>67861015
>This shows a complete lack of understanding of what money is, what capital is and what it is really for.
>Capital is for production not consumption. When you take capital from proven producers you impoverish the world.
this is what I'm ultimately trying to have a better grasp on. I feel next to useless when it comes to having economic debates.
Niggers would abuse it, still claim they aren't getting their fair share, cucks would agree with them to try to keep their voting block, honest people would still work because we are decent folks - but eventually we would just decide that murdered niggers and SJW are cheaper than living ones....
>>67861577
He's basically advocating trickle down economics, which was what got the states to its current situation. US companies know they can get shitloads of relief and benefits from the government, without keeping/creating jobs locally. The past few years have already proven the failure of trickle down concepts, and you'd have to be delusional to go on believing that it's the way it should be.
>>67856304
why can't you r/s4p shills write new posts every once and a while? I have seen this same one for like three days now... low energy
>>67862015
I don't advocate trickle down economics. I am only against calls for wealth taxation and certain anti-trust measures.
The best thing for the economy right now would actually be a negative income tax which is the opposite of trickle down economics.
This should theoretically increase competition among firms compared to the current situation where firms are just using excess cash for stock buybacks and acquisitions.
There is almost consensus on this right now but there is a messy argument about what the new tax structure should look like.
>>67856304
>What would be the consequence of electing someone with the kind of agenda that Bernie Sanders holds?
don't waste energy on this that'll never happen America is a private corporation elections are a scam to recognize the next puppet as the face of the private investors.
>>67862757
I think I'm grasping most of what you're saying. I'll have to do some research on what 'trickle down economics'
>>67863123
It is usually referred to as supply side economics. It is useful for stalling a crunch but it is not a long term thing.
Negative income tax is demand side.
>>67863453
>Negative income tax is demand side.
alright I think I've read enough to see your point on how Negative income tax would be a better solution to using supply side economics as a long term platform.
>>67856304
Better public infrastructure
Slightly bigger government
More jobs, opportunity for the poor
Climate change policy that isn't written by energy companies
Maybe even, if you're lucky, electoral reform to make it easier to avoid fuckups like Bush Jr 2000 (Sanders wants to implement instant runoff voting, an objectively better alternative to FPTP, and prohibit gerrymandering, and so on).
>>67856304
>Electing a communist Jew
>Not taking history lessons from the USSR
Socialism in the United States will not work until you genocide/deport blacks in the country and deport illegal immigrants.
Sad, but true. Also, socialism won't work anyway but at least you have 2 less problems.
>>67864695
>better solution to using
*better than using*
I'm clearly overworking my little brain. It can't keep up
>>67862757
>The best thing for the economy right now would actually be a negative income tax which is the opposite of trickle down economics.
In what form? Is your version of negative income tax basically the same as UBI? Do unemployed people receive it?
